Hello and welcome to Pocket Cast's one year anniversary episode.
I am Fletcher and I'm joined by Ed.
Yo.
And together we form the greatest retro podcast-
OBJECTION!
That's some bullshit cap right there son.
Hmm, I've got some evidence to support this.
Oh, okay.
Take that!
Look at these numbers.
Look at these numbers bro!
Okay my bad, my bad, maybe we are the single greatest retro video game podcast you've
ever seen.
OBJECTION!
What the fuck!
I told you you couldn't trust this man and that he was spineless and thus I have proved
that my case was solid.
What?
You've got no backbone.
I've got no backbone.
I got like a little backbone.
I got baby back.
Alright, that would be your name in this game that we played.
Baby back.
Phoenix Wright.
It's a dirty.
Baby backbone.
Your first name would be baby and your last name would be backbone and you'd be like a
business looking man.
But you just have like really baby face.
Like super, like just a baby's face on a big man.
Oh, so.
Maybe even at one point.
Boss baby but like with a full body.
Proportionately sized baby face or like just-
Yeah, proportionately.
Alright, fair.
It's on the face.
Yeah, I can picture them drying that up.
Yeah, not one of us probably.
I don't know but you've been pretty handy with your little-
Not us, no.
I'm saying the artist of the game.
Oh, yeah.
They would full dive into that.
They would love that idea.
You'll see it on the next Phoenix Wright game.
I fucking hope so.
I fucking love this game, bro.
I said something about wanting crack vibes in the last episode.
I remember that.
And man, did I get them.
Yeah, dude.
I have some over the top personalities in this game.
This was, if you've listened in the past, this is Hotel Dusk.
Ooh.
Meets attorney, the bird man attorney at law.
Oh, sure, sure, sure.
This is adult swim version of Hotel Dusk.
It is a little racy at times.
There are some of the things said are the different-
Well, that's what happens when you try to play Godfletcher and I'm going to put shit
over on the table.
Yeah, I should have just let the chaos happen.
I and all people should know that.
I was thinking it was like Hotel Dusk meets Professor Layton.
Yeah.
Such Layton-y vibes.
I think, I want to say the gameplay to an extent, I suppose, but also I felt like dialogue
wise, there was just a bit of edginess to it.
Although in Professor Layton, it's obviously much more PG.
Yeah.
There are some dark undertones, but they deliver him Disney style.
See, and that's where I went into this game kind of knowing what to expect a little bit.
Yeah, I had an idea.
But then I went into it kind of knowing what to expect a little bit, but then I did not
expect the adultness of this.
I thought this was totally a kid's game.
This is definitely not a game I would give a kid.
Because TNA, there's a lot of gruesome talk.
Yeah.
It's still all pretty PG.
There's no swearing or anything, but sometimes the subject matter or the way people are represented.
Tits are out, dude.
There are mad titties in this game.
Mad big titties in this game.
It's fantastic.
It's really like compared to what we have played, it isn't nice.
It was refreshing.
It was.
I have a little eye candy.
I was telling you before, it really made me be like, man, if I was fucking 15 or 16 playing
this game, rule 34 all day, dude.
They build the characters well enough too that you really sink your teeth into them.
Oh, I would absolutely.
Yeah, no, I would absolutely take advantage.
We should later take advantage of this.
Absolutely.
Market research for the podcast.
Yeah.
You know what's hilarious is I thought that the formula for this game, we've 100% experienced
before, but it's on a specific website and it's a flash game and it's probably like a
slightly porno-esque like eSIM dating.
Like underground.
Yeah, dude.
Like back in the day, that's kind of got the same vibe.
The subject matter was obviously different.
Because it's just a talking simulator.
Is that what you mean?
100%.
Yeah.
And it's like you have to go into certain places and hit certain conversational points
and then you have your trial and testimony and all that shit, which is its own kind of
little pocket of gameplay.
But yeah, it's just a talking sim, but it's entertaining as fuck.
It is so entertaining.
I played this game so much and I just wanted to play it more.
There are some games that we've covered, games that I enjoy, games that I've played in the
past and I know I like the game, but it's a chore-ish to play it.
I don't want to, there's certain things.
I'm just playing it to play it.
This game was like, when I'm at work, I'm thinking about getting off work and playing
this game.
That doesn't actually just go for this podcast.
That goes for video games.
In a long time, I have not had that feeling of like, oh, I can't wait to go.
I fucking love playing Far Cry with you, but the game is like, I don't know, it's the same
fucking game we've played for like three years, right?
But this game had me wanting to come back to specifically play this game, experience
the game, find out what's going to happen next in the case.
Because the funniest thing is that you are a lawyer who is, I thought getting into this
game.
Now, mind you, we have been exposed to media and we already know about Phoenix Wright.
And so I think of him as a legit lawyer.
Oh, okay.
But you take over Phoenix at the very beginning of his career.
Yeah.
And he is just as lost as you are.
Oh, bro.
I didn't expect all of his like facial reactions of being like, oh fuck.
Yeah, it's super anime-esque.
I thought he was a cold, cold character.
Like a cool dude.
Yeah.
Not a cool dude.
Very awkward.
Fucking awesome.
I love it.
He's so relatable.
Honestly.
A great 24 year old.
I thought he was portrayed very well.
There's a comment made about him being 24.
And yeah, I mean, it makes sense.
You're just coming out of law school, probably around 24, 25.
Sure.
That tracks, I think.
I know they go to school for a long fucking time.
You're probably scared shitless.
Dude, your first court case, dude.
I mean, like everybody's got to have a first day of work sometimes, but I feel like doing
that in court would be like, oh, this is a little intense.
In Phoenix's case, it's his best friend that he's defending.
Larry Butt.
Dude, what?
Okay.
The fucking names of people in this game are great.
Detective Gumshoe.
Yes.
Yeah.
And what a fucking character he is.
Dude, he grows on you so much.
The first case, I fucking hate him.
I was like this stupid ass idiot character who sucks balls and is just dumb for the sake
of being dumb.
Just this dumb cop character that just gets in the way.
Yeah.
And it's, oh, this mild disclaimer.
If you thought that this game was going to like have any accurate reflection on a real
life scenario for a court case, the roles of the specific people involved in these types
of proceedings be them police officers, detectives, lawyers, judges.
It doesn't matter.
This is kangaroo court.
You're a lawyer who's out there like honestly straight up committing crimes and like tampering
with evidence and crime scenes.
And there is short of in name, there's zero correlation between real life court and investigation
stuff in this game.
But it's fucking awesome.
And I'm here for it.
It's so wild.
It fucks with your head so hard because even coming from, I like the show suits.
I probably watched a good few seasons of suits and even I thought that the rules of court
in this game were ridiculous.
Literally kangaroo court.
This is nuts, man.
I have to assume that my knowledge of court is pretty fucking far fetched.
You know, it's all based on either television or my personal experience in the court system
in a small town, which is definitely not how it wasn't a court.
It's not a, there's no jury or anything involved in just getting fucking charges pressed against
me by the state.
It's not anything like that.
So my imagination of it because of TV, it's already ridiculously out of hand.
And then yet this game fucking makes that look realistic.
Oh dude, it's so the judge is, it's so everything is so arbitrary, dude.
It's basically like a battle of wits between you and the other lawyer and the, and the
different NPCs will come in and they'll give their testimony.
And like the whole gimmick of court is they'll give like a four or five panel conversational
piece, like one sentence at a time, or they'll say like one thing at a time and you cycle
through them and then that's their testimony.
And you have to try to match it to evidence that disproves or shows a contradiction.
And like sometimes it's really obvious, like I was there at nine and you're like, well,
I have this piece of paper that said the thing happened at nine Oh five or some shit.
And then other times it's like, you just, you just randomly reveal a new piece of information
about a specific thing you had in your court record inventory that was never said before.
And it's, it's a gotcha.
And you're like, what the fuck?
I just got, he did it.
Like I didn't, I didn't, like what, like what, how does that disprove me at all?
He had secret evidence.
Yeah, yeah.
There was a lot of guessing at times, but some of them were easy.
But some of them though, the way would trick you because you would think you would use
rational thought on this fucking court case.
No, it's kangaroo court.
You can't be doing that.
I'm bringing up some evidence that would make sense against this person.
Um, I wish I could remember the exact example, but it was probably the first court hearing.
There's two different things that I could have chosen that would have both, you know,
he fucked up twice on his testimony.
Right.
And I have two different pieces of evidence for it, but only one of them is what it wants
you to choose.
And the other one is just wrong.
And you lose a point that there was a couple of times where I lost enough points that I
was starting to stress because you're close enough to the end of the trial and you're
like, I don't want to start over.
Yeah, dude.
Okay.
So in this, in the second one, right?
So you have this, you have this receipt that the, the victim wrote in blood, the name of
her sister and just randomly like, like, and you only
acquire so many pieces of evidence that you can reflect on.
And like, they have like a one, maybe two sentence blur that describes them.
And you're basically just as close as you can, hopefully compare what is said in these
testimonies, which gets revised endlessly.
They're just like, Oh, sorry, I misspoke.
And then now you have to disprove something else, but the, you, you only have so many
pieces of evidence.
And this April, May, Oh dude, she's just like, look over the receipt.
And then your character just flips it over and it's the details on the receipt, like
disprove and it's the, it's the case closer.
And then you're like, what that was, I've been waiting to use this the whole time.
So when I'm curious, did you think because her name, the, the lady who is involved in
this whole scenario's name is April, May, Miss April, May.
Yeah.
She's the hot, hot secretary that's like wooing the court with her titties and eyelashes.
Absolutely.
And she is too, like anytime she is in trouble, all of a sudden her fucking tits pop out.
Like, there's like five different animations that they draw for these characters.
And one of them is just like her, just like arms crossed, kind of looking normal.
And then the next one is just like full on like, oh yeah, she's got her kitty cat face
going.
Yeah, dude fucking anyways, Maya is this chick's sister, the, the victim's sister.
Yeah.
And Maya's name is written on a receipt.
So if you look at this receipt, the A is a little weird.
Okay.
Sure.
I remember.
So I'm thinking she's writing the name of the killer, May.
Oh, and then dies after accidentally just only writing her sister's name.
And then someone comes in and adds the fucking A in.
Oh, you know, Nope.
That's not why she wants you to look at the receipt.
It's well, and it's, I think it's revealed, although never like clarified in court, but
there's like a side conversation where it's like, no, you idiot.
Like the killer wrote her name on the receipt to frame her.
Yeah.
But then I'm also thinking like, well, but also like this, like a little bit of forethought
and like, you know, before she dies, she could have realized like, Oh, this is this receipt
will actually like prove.
I don't know how the fuck never add.
Oh, it doesn't.
Yeah.
But it was dumb.
It was so annoying.
It was like, that's, that's the linchpin for this case because yeah.
And I guess, you know, I don't want to give away spoilers in case you haven't played this
super old game, which is kind of funny because I have listened to a podcast talk about this
game.
And I remember specifically listening to the episode because it was a game that I thought
I would never play.
I remember playing it when I was young, thinking this isn't for me and never coming back to
it.
And then like seeing it enough going, okay, I at least want to hear about this game because
it's obviously earned some respect and I want to just know about it.
So I think I might've caught some spoilers on it.
Okay.
But I was going to say one of the nice things about our podcast is you probably will never
get spoilers from us.
Very rarely.
99% of the time we do not finish the game.
Truth.
Yeah.
You're welcome guys.
Honestly.
Yeah.
That's our gift to you guys.
It really is.
We're just, we're filling an entire hour, sometimes more on about maybe 20% gameplay.
On this one, I definitely got three fourths of the way done because I was almost done
with the turnabout.
Samurai?
Samurai.
Yeah.
That's the one I had just started.
I see, I straight up thought I finished the game and I was really pumped and you can ask
Alyssa, I was like doing fist pumps in the end.
I was like, ha, suck my dick Fletcher.
I legit said that out loud.
And then it was like, cause it said the end.
Yeah.
The end of the episode.
Of the chapter episode.
Yeah, I realized that now.
Cause then it was like next chapter.
And I was like, I'm curious to how it released because this is actually a GBA game.
Oh, was it?
Yeah.
It released in Japan on the GBA.
Damn.
I didn't even look it up to be honest.
First releases in America on the Nintendo DS.
That's just something I fucking knew.
I think probably from listening to that podcast episode.
I had to look it up to double check, but yeah, that it is.
Well, and I think if I really like thought about it at all, I probably could have figured
that out just because of when I was thinking of like, when I remember first hearing about
it was honestly back in the GBA days.
Not that the DS's were close behind, but yeah, no, I guess it just didn't really, I was just
like, yeah, we're playing a DS game and it's this game.
So and DS original.
I do that a lot.
And I look it up and it's like, nah, this was the PlayStation game.
I mean, I consider it an MDS.
I guess not an original.
You can't say that, but it's every game.
I do think of that title similarly to some of the others that we've played.
So and here's the thing.
This game continues on on the DS for a long, for a while.
There's at least a few.
Yeah.
There's a cross game between this and Professor Layton.
Fuck off.
Yeah, dude.
What?
Yeah, bro.
Is it on the DS?
DS or 3DS?
I don't remember, but I believe it's one of them.
We'll cover it.
I can't, you know, that's like there are games that I want to make an exception for.
We're at the year marker.
Yeah, we can do whatever the fuck I've been.
I want to make room for certain things.
Yeah, dude.
You want to cover a Call of Duty game?
That's not like, I mean, like Warzone.
Fuck, I'll do a Warzone episode with you.
I don't fucking play that game.
Yeah, right.
There's certain things I think we can, you know, we can either make a special side recording
of it.
You know, we'll do like a Patreon only release.
We can do Patreon only or we can just have some random extra episodes that we can throw
out there for weeks where we're going to fuck up.
You know?
Sure.
I like that idea.
I do also.
Double recording.
You know, maybe do it for a Patreon.
We joke about it a lot, but maybe why not?
That would be the biggest joke of them all is if we actually do it.
And I was like, you'll never know if we're actually joking or not.
We could just really, we could just subscribing is free, but you have to pay for individual
pieces of content.
$50 paywall.
Is that how only fans work?
A little webcast of Pocket Cast.
Yeah, no, I don't like it.
I hate it.
Yeah, I'm with you.
It would be nice to have it to throw in for like sick days.
Basically, dude.
Yeah.
When Pocket Cast is feeling a little down, down and it needs a little extra two weeks
to finish the game.
You know, shit happens.
Shit do happen.
We're on.
I'm just surprised.
This is episode 23.
Yeah.
Should be episode 24 at our year mark, right?
Because we do two episodes a month abouts usually, but that's not bad.
Yeah.
So it's not too shabby.
There we go.
We were close to the mark.
So I think we're going to so keep an ear out for that.
Right.
Maybe we'll have some fucking special episodes that we throw in there.
And yeah, there's definitely some 3ds games that I want to cover that.
And if you're going to be getting one, I know you.
Yeah, I was I was thinking, did you pull the trigger?
No, not yet.
I'm still like on the fence because like, I do want to go 3ds.
Especially for like play comfort, just because I feel like those are so much easier to hold
on to.
And then go the analog stick.
Right.
I hate the analog stick.
Really?
Yeah.
A lot of for playing DS games.
OK, that's fair.
Because they don't I think with dementia, it works pretty well.
But there's a lot of games where it kind of ends up fucking you around a little bit.
You know, it's it's expecting D pad input and you're giving it.
Yeah, that's that's fair.
Well, but I hate to crush your dreams on that.
There's a little bit about the stretched fit for the like just for the visual to.
Yes, it kills me.
I don't know if that's just the Excel or not.
I wonder if there's a I wonder if there's some aspect ratio or something that you can
toggle.
There's not fuck.
No, I looked at my books.
Hi, I'm all right.
That's fair.
God damn.
Yeah.
See, that's that's my struggle and I don't want to drop like five hundred dollars on
DS's.
Yeah, I mean, I do.
But like over time.
Yeah.
If even for the collection.
Plus we were talking about getting new fucking recording like equipment and shit.
Oh, we're about to pocket gas be ballin.
It's on page.
We did it in the page.
It was a joke.
No, we really need it.
No, it's for real.
We're in the dire straits.
Great band.
Great soundtrack in this game.
Dude, I fucking did it a bop.
That's all I can say.
Everything was a bop.
There's everything fit the tone so well.
Like the whenever you move from scene to scene, there are this is an adventure game, right?
As well.
This is like an old school adventure game.
You're going from scene to scene and clicking on things and trying to interact.
Yeah, you got to examine some shit.
Everyone just fucking do everything you possibly can with every item.
See what interacts with what.
The music in those games a lot of times because of their age, I think mainly I don't play.
I haven't played newer adventure style games.
I've only played the King's Quest and a couple other old ones.
Sure.
The music cuts weird.
And yeah, I know what you're talking about.
You know, and like it's like the song starts because the song restarts because you've gone
to a new scene.
But sometimes that's a weird transition.
These all transition so well somehow.
And I think it's because every time you're investigating, it's chill.
So it's always.
Yeah, pretty like different tempos for different whatever you're doing and shit.
And they kind of keep the same and they do a great job of controlling your feelings.
You know, in when you're in court investigating and things are fucking like picking up like,
oh shit, everything's starting to add up.
The music is going higher and like, boom, boom, boom, boom.
It turns more.
Oh, yeah, it's like kind of getting amped up and shit.
Yeah, yeah.
It was it was a roller coaster like back and forth between stuff and the because I like
under the hood, there's not a lot technically happening in this game.
I mean, it's like I said, I feel like each character has a handful of poses and faces
that they've drawn for them.
Yeah.
Super simple.
And yeah, yeah, mechanically, there's just not a lot happening, but you do.
You get so much out of what's available and like the writing is maybe a little hokey at
times, but it's good.
And I think it's done intentionally.
I don't think it's ever.
It's not lazy necessarily.
No, but it keeps you hooked and it's just ridiculous enough that you're like, that's
not how I saw that going because there are definitely some things where I'm trying to
kind of peer down the line.
You know, I'm like, oh, well, like this evidence hasn't been relevant all the way up until
this point.
Like, I'm pretty sure this is where it's going.
And this is going to like, boom, I got this fucking evidence, you know, or whatever.
And then you get there and it's not still not relevant.
It's something totally else.
And it's just like, what the fuck?
Just throwing you curveballs left and right.
And it's charming all the while.
Yeah.
I love the way that it leaves you in the.
Trying to guess what's going to happen and always leading you astray on what information
it gives you.
Yeah.
And as you said, the curves that it sends you on are just fucking wild.
The very anime in that flavor.
Oh yeah.
It's just off the wall shit.
You can never really.
Yeah.
You just started the chapter.
There's an old security lady and oh my fucking God is she is hilarious.
It is such a change in their writing when they bring her in.
Interesting.
I know you got to keep playing it just to experience that.
Good call.
Yeah.
That would have fucked shit up.
Yeah.
Is that a collection of GameCube games you have sitting in there Ed?
This purple thing right here?
This purple, yeah dude.
Try and look at this.
This is, yeah.
So remember Mike sent over the Meran Heirloom GameCube collection, but forgot to send the
Wii and the fucking controllers to play them.
Oh yeah.
That's the joke.
I think they're from the game.
Yeah.
I think that was the joke because I think you let me borrow a bunch and then they got
mixed up with my shit and then I mailed them out to him a couple years back.
I'm so happy about that.
Hold on.
You can hold on.
Pull yours out for sure.
Because I think there's another.
Yeah, there's another one.
Another one?
Oh yeah.
This one's to the max dude.
It's busting at the scene.
You're melting my heart right now.
Yeah, so this one actually has some Wii titles in it.
Okay, well none of the Wii ones are mine.
It's mostly GameCube games in here.
Let's see, we got, ooh, if this one's for the Wii, Dragon Ball Z, Budokai Tenkaichi 2.
We got 00 Nightfire, Splinter Cell, Chaos Theory, two-part disc, or two disc game rather.
Mario Party 4 classic, Wii Sports, nice.
Super Mario Sunshine.
On the which what?
Let me see it.
I want to go through them too.
Oh Geist, that one's definitely you.
I think I have two copies of Super Mario Sunshine.
I don't remember that being a two disc game, so I'm pretty sure one of those must be yours.
No, I've never owned that game.
Okay, well then I have two of them.
Burnout, I think that's you.
No.
No?
Shit, go me.
Super Monkey Ball 2, that's mine.
Oh yeah.
Soul Cal 2, nice.
Oh, Lord of the Rings third age dude.
Oh, is that?
Good game.
Is that the RTS one?
Yeah.
Turn based.
Turn based one?
Yeah dude, that one is so fucking good bro.
I've heard about that, I've never actually played it.
Tales of Symphonia, was that you?
Yes.
Yeah, I thought so.
I'm so happy to hear that.
Lord of the Rings 2 towers, that was a fun one.
Tony Hawk's Underground.
Tony Hawk's Underground and Underground 2, that's you.
Piano 3.
Oh sweet.
Yeah buddy.
Man, I've been searching for these games.
I'm so sorry.
No, I'm just happy.
Oh, Prime and Prime 2, Echoes, Twilight Princess, Xbox One, Fallout 4, what the fuck?
That's you dude, that was like.
That's OG.
Oh, another Twilight Princess, did you have one?
Yeah, I have one too.
Sweet.
Okay, fuck yeah.
Medal of Honor, Rising Sun.
You have two of those.
Two Four Swords, so one of those must be yours.
No.
No, what the fuck?
Same for the Medal of Honor, this one's not mine either.
Jesus.
Who's, did we, or whose games were you guys?
Dude, I probably just do have duplicates because like.
I want that game again and one of the brothers have it, yeah.
Oh, this one, so Ocarina of Time, is that, I think that might be the Master Quest version.
You have two of those too.
Yeah.
Did you have two, or another one over there?
So I think this one's mine.
Is that Master, is that the Master Quest?
This is.
Cause I definitely have a Master Quest.
You've got two Master Quests.
Oh, well then one of those is yours, yeah.
But no, mine was the collection one where it's.
Oh yeah, it's Legend of Zelda 1, Legend of Zelda 2.
Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask.
Was that one your, I thought I had one of those too.
So no worries, we can always forever share.
I'm mainly still, some of the other ones.
This is a beautiful collection.
It is.
Honest to God.
It's my childhood.
Cause I had found recently my GameCube and I couldn't, I had no games.
I've been searching my parents house for my fucking games.
Games.
Dude, hell yeah dude.
That's awesome.
Aw man, and Alyssa got that SNES Mini.
Does that take games or no?
It does not.
Why not?
Um, I think that's the whole thing.
It's just a bunch of digitized.
I know, but why not?
I mean if.
No, I mean it's basically like a Nintendo made raspberry pie with a sick case on it
and the OG controllers that everything's still maybe USB port.
Maybe they're proprietary.
I didn't look at them.
I think they're USB.
I think so.
Yeah.
Um, it's definitely got the feel to it though.
But everything looks crisp and clean and it's just, we just, um, I don't know all what's
on it cause I mean we were just smashing out some Super Mario World and I'm dog shit at
the OG Mario games.
Oh really?
Yeah.
Well cause I never played them.
I was gonna say have you ever played them?
I have so much memorization about it.
You ever played a?
I have played, yes, but I couldn't tell you which specific games or which specific levels.
If I played them I would recognize them.
That's about it.
Yeah.
Um, and it's just a spattering.
Like yeah.
Cause I know that was like my, as a kid that was my really big, like I remember feeling
like just like a lot of self pride.
And.
Just ripping through those games?
Not ripping through it.
There's no ripping through.
Yeah that's fair.
Maybe some of the first episode, or first episode, some of the first levels.
Sure.
Maybe.
But no, those games get fucking hard.
The I still remember the last castle to get to Bowser.
Cause every time you go into a different world, cause there's eight worlds I think.
Okay.
And there's eight sections to each world.
Okay.
And the each section is Bowser's castle.
Okay.
And there's eight, eight, I think I specifically remember.
Oh shit.
Yeah.
So eight, eight's the last level.
And that's a lot of levels for like, that's pretty good.
Yeah.
That's pretty good.
So with the, uh, at the very end though, when you're in Bowser's castle, you have to do
a pattern that you just have to figure out.
And every time the pattern.
Oh with the flame attacks?
No, no, no, no, no.
I don't know how to explain this.
The level like changes.
So as you ran along the, like you can go up or down.
Okay.
And so you have to go down, down, up, and then you'll hear like a chime noise.
So you got that first one right.
So now you got to go through dodging all the shit and choose the correct path this time.
So it's going to be like up, down, up.
Oh, and you have to do that so many times.
And then you get through to him.
Oh, that's, and as a kid, you're just like, I had no walkthrough or anything.
I'm on like a family road trip.
I'm on a fucking, I remember specifically, I was on a family reunion trip around like
a cemetery or some shit.
Oh, that sounds weird.
I mean, it was like joyous kind of, I don't know.
Or like maybe we were just somebody getting buried or no, it was a family reunion.
And like we were in like the family, like town, like where I like it, like everything
started basically.
Damn.
You got, you got a family, like town with a family cemetery.
Not a family.
No, it's just where the family is from.
Oh, a place called cemetery.
It's the town in which the family like originated.
Yeah.
But where does the dead people come in?
It's just like, Hey, some of our oldest relatives are buried here.
Oh, okay.
And so, and we've got, you know, 12 people together.
And so like they had a bus that they had like, we're using and we're driving through and
just checking shit out.
Gotcha.
So I'm in the back of the bus, just like, Oh, my fucking game boy color playing and
trying to hear this fucking noise and tell me if I got the pattern.
You only have so many lives until you have to start that world over.
Right.
And then something I go through from eight one all the way fucking back up to eight and
then try again at the patterns and hope that you remember them.
Yeah.
I remember beating him on that fucking van.
Oh, no shit.
Bus thing.
And like, I bet that was big.
Yeah.
I was so stoked.
I remember getting off that and catching up, like finding the cousins and being like, I
beat it.
I beat it.
And like, no one fucking believe me.
You have like a high score thing on the game boy color one.
So I was like, bitches, I fucking did it.
I did.
That's fucking sick.
Yeah.
I, Alyssa is really good at the game.
I am really bad at the game.
Yeah, if you grew up playing it or like, that was something my buddy, Wes and I used to
do was play Super Mario World or Super Mario three.
When that becomes a daily, you're going through and beating the game every day after school,
which is exactly what is like the, like, I'm sure people did coming out, ripping it so
hard and you get through it and then you keep playing.
You find out where all the.
Yeah, that's fair.
There's just go through.
There's a very famous Super Mario three speed run on YouTube.
Yeah.
I think it's like nine minutes.
It's like almost 10 minutes, but this is from back when you can upload a 10 minute, like
10 minutes was the max.
Oh, sure.
So it's pretty impressive that the dude could do the speed around in.
So we'd watch that a couple of times and we knew where certain warp worlds are like, there's
certain spots in here where you can warp ahead and show you can cut off hours, you know,
doing that.
That's crazy.
Yeah, that's sick.
So my world though is a lot harder.
There's so much more.
It was such a beautiful advancing because Super Mario three was the last title on the
Nintendo.
Okay.
And then you got Super Mario World on the Super Nintendo.
So that's your stuff from eight bit to 16 bit.
And so they added in Yoshi.
Yeah, dude, Yoshi is sick.
And there's just a few, there are a lot more enemies.
Like they really fucking ups and change the enemies a lot in Super Mario World.
Yeah, it's a harder game.
I'm with you.
Like I were playing that with Weston because I didn't grow up playing those games.
We had a PlayStation and yeah, it was the same shit where I'm like player two, just
kind of like getting drunk.
I'll try to be at the level.
I'm dying and carrying me and I appreciate you for it.
Yeah.
Yeah, that was definitely, I did be one and I was pretty, I was pretty pumped.
It was like a, the boo mansion.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
I like those.
Well, okay.
And to be fair, cause there's a section where you hit it, you go to a door and it just sets
you back in the same screen.
And it's basically whether or not you hit a punch block, I think.
Am I saying that right?
It's a little bubble that has the P on it.
Yeah.
I think that's the case anyway.
And you just kind of to kind of keep running through the same door, but you have, there's
a pattern or a sequence or something.
And then you can get a either progress maybe, or a vine will spawn.
Yeah.
The vine, I think it is.
Yeah.
The vine does.
Yeah.
So she told me how to do it.
But I still did it.
I would not have figured that out.
No.
And it's like everyone, that's how you learn.
And that's the funnest thing about that game.
I will say I'm watching her play and like, mind you, like I know Mario.
Like, you know, 3D Mario.
I know 3D Mario.
And, but I also like I've watched other people play like old school Mario games.
I'm like, yeah, like I know it's a pretty straightforward game.
Like, you know, you can jump underneath and hit a block or you hit the yellow ones for
coins and you know, you can jump on people.
I knew you could pick up shells and carry them and chuck them and bounce off of them
and shit like that.
I didn't realize there was a double sprint mechanic.
That is in not necessarily in the.
Is that not in the OGs?
What do you mean double sprint?
So on the like on the old Nintendo controllers, so Y and X, both of them will have you run.
But then if you hold both of them at the same time, you'll sprint.
And so when you're like the little Fox Mario, the one that can fly, you have to.
Yeah.
Once you hit, no, if you're just wearing, if you have like the feather upgrade, then
you do the double sprint and jump and you'll like launch diagonally in whatever direction
you're running.
Okay.
But like, I didn't realize there was a double sprint.
It's the difference of like moving more quickly and like with your like Naruto running.
Yeah.
But you can also just get that speed from just holding your run button long enough.
Oh, what?
Yeah.
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
No, I'm just blind figuring these out, trying to like just monkey see monkey do.
I'm like, well, I just saw her do some crazy shit.
I had no idea you could fucking do.
And like the mechanics in the level design is, is actually really like significant.
And I didn't realize that like if you were to map out all of the different entry and
exit points between the levels as and how they relate to the other level, like it's
complex.
It is.
And it's cool because like, yeah, the exits, the side exits you can take.
And then when you see it on the world map of all of a sudden, boom, boom, boom, this
trail all of a sudden appears.
And that's where we exit out into the side over there.
It took me so long to appreciate that.
Yeah.
It was, I'm impressed.
It's pretty elegant too.
In fact, like it's just super seamless, but I'm like the replay ability is here.
The difficulty is consistent.
So like you can, you can do better and be better and, and get farther or discover more
secrets.
Um, but it is a challenge at the same time.
Yeah.
It's that perfect mix of challenging, rewarding and fairness.
Yeah.
Because if it was unfair, you would not come back to it.
Right.
It wouldn't be the name that it is.
Yeah.
You can almost always pinpoint exactly where you fucked up.
You're like, I hit the wrong button or I went left, should have gone right.
I knew I was supposed to crouch there or whatever.
It's funny because if you look at Mario now, you don't think of like, Mario is the face
of Nintendo, right?
But Mario, Nintendo existed before, before they say that, right?
Nintendo existed before Mario.
Right.
And Mario also could arguably have said, you know, you can say that he really helped save
and bring back the home video game system because there's, the whole thing about the
huge crash and how video games almost went away.
Isn't, that was a little overhyped.
It's not totally true to that extreme.
Yeah, but it was bad.
It wasn't that bad.
Right.
I think that Mario though, that game, it's all from that game.
The first Super Mario bro 2D side-scrolling game that then goes on in four iterations
to become Super Mario world.
There's a reason it's so fucking good, man.
It's because it's like the people love this game for a fucking reason.
It's how precise, how great the jumps were.
Because if you go back and play some games around that time as well that are platformers,
some of them are too floaty.
Give and watch makes me want to kill myself.
Yeah.
That's a good bit before I think, but.
Yeah, but yeah, I know what you're saying.
It is a clean, it cemented a lot of the standards in platforming games and games in general
that are just, these are just understood.
You want to make a game, this is what you do.
Hold the button to run.
Right.
Absolutely.
All kinds of shit.
I can never remember what it's called, but it's the principle of when developing a game
and you need to jump from ledge to a ledge, you have that forgiveness zone where your
character is actually able to, you put the point at which you would fall off the platform
farther out than the actual edge of the platform just to make, because you can't see your feet
and you want to not have people falling all the time or whatever the fuck it was.
But I'm pretty sure that came out in the Mario era.
I'm sure.
I would not be surprised.
I think it's named after the dude I think that implemented it first.
For all I know, maybe it was a Mario game.
Maybe his name is Mario.
Shit.
It probably is.
Mario is a big enough company name and has enough people working for Mario.
There's definitely been some Marios that worked for Mario.
I had to have been, right?
Or worked on Mario.
Yeah.
I'm Mario and I work on Mario.
Fuck yeah.
I worked on Mario's, Mario's Sunshine.
Mario's Mario.
Dude, Sunshine was a fucking pleasure.
I've never played it.
What?
Yeah.
Well, you've got these fucking.
Yeah, we're going to have to sort some of these out at the end here.
I mean, I don't even have a system to play them on right now.
So if you want to just hang on to them, sit on them for a little bit.
I'll keep them hidden for Ren.
I promise.
Yeah.
That is literally, that is both of our legacies combined.
It'll all be yours someday.
Dude, if these, if those went up in a fire or something, I would legit be really sad.
Yeah.
I mean, I can't tell you how heartbroken I was just recently.
I dug through my parents.
They have this old cold room of just like storage and bullshit.
And so I dug through it because they're out of town and I died.
It's true.
They fucking threw out a bunch of like hard drives, games, things like that.
They were in this box and they just threw the box out.
It took my mom a while to admit to me that that was it.
Cause she was like, I don't see it.
And so I kept like going over and digging around for it.
And finally she was like, yeah, I think we threw it out.
Like she finally, so this week I went through and dug through and I'm just thinking, I guess
that my fucking game, you're in that box.
So I'm very happy to see.
Oh, well I'm sorry that I put you in that position to begin with, but I'm glad that
I could also.
I'm glad it worked out.
I'm glad you brought your joy back in your life.
Because between the time of you acquiring these games from me and now I would have lost
them as I did my entire CD collection.
Oh yeah.
How do you lose that?
I also like to think that maybe, maybe I just threw them out.
Maybe I was like, maybe I went through and I pulled out all the saveable CDs and threw
the rest out because they were all so scratched.
That could be.
That's what I like to think, but that's hundreds of CDs.
I still feel like you would have been like, I can't, I can't because then I could use
the CDs and now look them up on Spotify and have them forever endlessly.
Sad.
That's the sad thing.
That is sad, dude, losing like any collection that is reduced to nothing or, you know, it's
hard man.
You, you start to really take ownership and pride in your collection and then, um, like
I used to have so many fucking books.
I literally had a study full of books.
Mine is a terrible memory.
And when it comes to a hundred CDs or more, you can't blame a guy for not remembering
every CD that's in there.
And so then it's just nice to have it to look at and be like, Oh yes, that song or two songs
on that CD, I want to put them on this playlist or on this mixed tape.
It's nice to have for that kind of thing.
Sure.
I've never held onto a book collection I've had.
I'm sure I have some books that I've held onto, but I've always just given them out.
I always hand them away.
I never gave a fuck about a book collection.
Speaking of lending out books to your friends.
So is it as the, or when the hula girl sings, how the hula girl sings, Joe Meno.
Um, I thought I had lost the book.
So I ordered a replacement book.
I found the book.
Did you get an actual replacement or did you get a second edition?
Oh fuck.
Well that I don't know.
Does it look the same?
It looks, it's hardcover with the same book sleeve.
Okay.
Yeah, it's the same.
Okay.
Yeah.
I was like, Oh, I fuck it in.
Look, it looked to be the exact same edition.
Second edition is not as good.
Oh really?
They cut some parts out.
What?
Definitely censored this book.
No.
My cousin and I read it together and he read not, we didn't know this.
Sure.
So he's reading that version and I read the one that you are reading.
And after a while we decided we finished the book.
All right, let's talk about it.
Sure.
And he's like, what the fuck are you talking about?
That did not happen in this book.
Damn.
Okay.
Oh, that's interesting.
I will, I will absolutely double check, but I did find the one you actually let me borrow.
Um, so I'm reading, I'm reading, I'm going to start over.
Excuse me.
I'm going to start over and reread it again.
Cause I made it, I feel like I made it about halfway through.
I think it was.
And I remember for the most part, as I recall everything that had happened.
Uh, but I still want to experience it.
Read digest it.
Normally I probably wouldn't cause I've had it for like, what?
I don't know, two years.
Have you?
Longer?
I thought it was less than that.
I'll take that.
That sounds good to me.
I thought it was probably around the same time as the podcast.
Oh shit.
I mean, might it have been?
Yeah, man.
I don't remember.
You'll have to let me borrow one of those copies so I can read it while you're reading it.
I'm also, what's funny is I'm also reading, um, his first book because Morgan is reading
his first book.
Ooh, what's that called?
Tender as hell fire.
Fucking great name.
It is pretty fucking good.
Hell fire tender as hell fire.
If you say so.
Like that is just a, it's a good book.
I'm like, that's a book I haven't read since I was in high school.
So it's really funny to reread it and re experience it from a totally different perspective.
I'd be, I would be interested to see how reading his work, his early like original work compares
to when the, cause what, uh, how the hula girl sings.
I, so that was just a mouthful for me.
It's such a digestible read.
It is, it's pretty easy to read through.
It's not, it's not complex.
It's not difficult.
You don't get caught up on words.
For sure.
But at the same time, the subject matter is eerily completely like dissident to the flavor
of the words you're actually reading.
And it's unsettling at times.
That is a great description of it.
Yeah.
Because it's almost like, it's like a five year old recants, recounts, uh, extremely
traumatic experience that they had.
And you're like, Oh, fucking shit.
Okay.
Wow.
But it's also kind of like wrapped in a joke.
Yeah.
But like a really well told very interesting layers to be extrapolated out.
Yeah.
Writing.
I enjoy it.
I enjoy it more because hold on, actually I need water.
I can feel my mouth.
I can also feel my mouth.
Yeah.
It just grows in layers.
Like the, I think Hula girl is relatively early on in his writing career.
Okay.
I want to say it's the second or third book.
Oh no shit.
Okay.
And then later on you have something like the great perhaps that has four or five different
stories going on at the same time that are all kind of interconnected because it's all
about a family.
And that's where you were talking about where it's kind of like a kid talking about something
really traumatic that happened to him.
Yeah.
I said, but kind of wrapped in a joke.
That's how I think his writing grows because it Tom Waits is actually quoted on this about
one of his songs where one of his most popular songs is kind of a joke song.
But if you were to just read the lyrics as a poem, it's an extremely sad story.
And the only way to tell it though, and make it digestible is to put it in a really comfy
sounding piano with a goofy vocal behind it to make it laughable story.
But if you actually, cause he doesn't change the lyrics at all.
Sure.
It's just that the way that he delivers it makes it, you can take it as a joke and listen
to it and laugh.
But if you sit and actually read the lyrics, you'd be fucking depressed.
Geez.
That's a lot of Joe Meadows writing.
Yeah.
No, I think that's very accurate.
It's yeah.
It's an interesting read cause it's heavy, but it's also light, but that almost weighs
on you more.
And it's just bad, uncomfy at times.
Uncomfy.
Absolutely.
Especially.
Oh, and I like how the book opens page one.
I'm like, Oh Jesus fucking Christ.
Okay.
We're straight into it.
But like, what a hook.
Yeah.
I mean, I can still picture that scene the way that I pictured it when I read it.
I, yeah, same.
I don't know, over 10 years ago.
Yeah.
It is.
It's dark, man.
It's thick.
Yeah.
Heavy, bro.
Shit sits with you for a minute.
I was reading it like before bed, I remember.
And I was just like, this is a heavy read before bed.
God damn.
Yeah, it is.
But it's a heavy read in the morning.
I mean, you read at any point in the fucking day.
It's going to be ready, fucking put on some Johnny Cash and read that book.
Oh God.
Because that's the whole thing and a lot of references in that there are a lot of references
to Johnny Cash songs in that book.
Yeah.
It was at the very beginning.
I think it says something about it being dedicated to the depression, to Johnny Cash and the
depression of the Midwest or something like that.
It is.
It's such a, it's a thick small town story.
That's just rife with shit.
It's a raw story too.
What's cool.
I always think that after reading his books and other books too, and his book specifically,
the way that they just deal with characters, they kind of change the way that you look
at strangers on the street.
You're less judgmental almost maybe when you see someone in a rough looking spot.
Sure.
I can't think of all the backstory that would go into that right now.
To get to that right there.
Yeah.
That's the hard part about being surrounded by people is you lose sight of that pretty
easily and it's just like, it's super hard to just conceptualize all of these people
as individuals.
That's so much to consider.
Like Jesus Christ, my life is complex enough, let alone 20,000 other people.
I have to, I have to.
If I don't do that, man, I would go fucking nuts at my job.
I would hate everyone so much if I didn't have to continually.
I think in general, like for anyone, I think that's how that works.
If you detach yourself too much, then you're just going to say bye bye to humanity, I guess.
Yeah, just fucking being a fucking dick.
Oh man, just hating everything about everything all the time.
I mean, yeah, that sounds like me.
I hate everyone for the most part.
People suck.
Yeah, I mean, you got to project either a story onto them or try to figure out, remember
there's a true story behind it.
I mean, I feel like I do pretty well with giving people the benefit of a doubt.
It's the people where it's, I don't know their story, but like this person sucks every time
consistently.
Like, that wasn't a bad day.
This person sucks.
That's that every day I try to practice consciousness and there's a lot of different schools of
thought that I like to entertain.
None of them that I necessarily truly believe.
One of them that fucks with me a lot is the idea that you are everybody and you are, you
are experiencing all of these parts of you so that you can learn to better yourself as
a whole.
It's a much deeper, you know, it's like, I don't know if it's like a God breaks itself
down so that way it can, then that becomes humanity.
Sounds like you've been listening to Ween recently.
I am the Ween.
Okay hippie.
Dude, what is that one Ween song?
It has that like, that cut some, well maybe it's an edit, I don't know if it's like a
track from something else, but it's this voiceover that plays throughout the intro, which is
significant.
There's something about being in trees and shit.
I don't know if I've made it.
Maybe shit.
I don't know if I've made it this far into Ween's discography to hit that.
I will have to look it up and send it to you because like this song exists for me forever
and always.
I very clearly remember the first time I experienced this song and it was powerful.
I don't think this is some hippie shit.
I think it's rooted in some like Hindu shit or something like that.
I think it's some Eastern philosophy type deal.
It probably has threads all over.
Right.
But I just wanted to bust your balls for something like a hippie.
The thing about this idea, right, that you are experiencing these shitty people so that
you can see these shitty parts of yourself, it's wrong and it can't be because some of
these people are just me.
Yeah, just some cocksuckers out there.
Just some fucking me.
It's like, no, I don't know.
That doesn't quite work.
It doesn't translate well because of like how fucking, because maybe it's also the job
that I work in.
Sure.
You see some people at their worst.
Fucking.
But they're everywhere.
And sometimes you see people at their worst and then they come in sober and they're still
their fucking worst.
They're still their fucking worst, bro.
There is no better.
There is no best or better.
Maybe, maybe one day long ago there was.
Sure.
Before love smited them.
Grow up.
Yeah, dude.
The number of people out there that can't get past themselves.
Infuriating.
Just absolutely aggravating.
Like can the rest of us also just be adults?
Like I feel like I spent a significant amount of time in my life, especially recently, like
in the last decade, trying to become an adult, like a reasonable, decent, like well rounded
functional human.
And then you run into a 40 year old.
And then you.
Yeah, you guys got the stop.
What the fuck?
Gen X. Like you guys didn't even have it that fucking bad.
Calm down.
Dude, that shit drives me nuts.
That shit drives me so very nuts.
I'm like, oh, we just have half the population, it feels like, or more at times that just
gave up at 20.
And then just like, I don't need to mature beyond this point.
I don't want to take me as this is who I am.
I fucking hate that.
That is the worst.
How the fuck are those people succeeding in life?
That shit annoys the crap out of me.
Because none of it matters.
Yeah, I know.
Everything's arbitrary.
It's all a system of lies.
Wait or die, motherfucker.
Make a podcast or make a podcast.
Yes.
Welcome to our heavily politically charged retro video game.
Yes.
OK.
Feel our rage.
Our what generation are we?
No, we're the millennials.
Are we millennials?
Feel our millennial rage.
Yeah, I still worry about I got so pissed the other day.
I heard some guys talking shit about like younger people, you know, these like high schoolers
probably in like music listening to and all this shit.
And I was like, oh, I'm not going to do that.
I'm going to do it.
And then he saw the DJ at reggae, I know cause I remember him at reggae in my
school life.
And I remember I wanted to go to the vibe festival, because I kept bad breath
red and I, I couldn't stand un absorbed.
And they gave me these milk focused
But just like we just have an army of idiots running around.
Always have, always will.
I just feel like, I feel like the decline I've seen
particularly, I don't wanna open the whole can of worms
right now, but I'm very specifically talking
about our education system.
Not that it's terrible everywhere.
I remember where I was going with it.
Oh, let's hear it.
I thought they were talking about me and my generation.
Oh, so you took offense.
That's fair, I would have too.
I would be like, then I also would look back
at my high school class and I'd be like,
no, all of the people that were voted to succeed.
Well, I would say half of them actually did.
You went to a charter school.
Yeah, again, it's just a public school.
It's just a specific type of public school.
It's not the same.
It had its own curriculum,
but otherwise it was a public school, brother.
But it's not the same.
We just had Latin and Spanish.
Yeah, it's not the same comparison, dude.
We just had Latin.
Fucking, you're gentrified.
Yup, yeah, let's get the fuck out of here.
I'm not gentrified.
You took a Latin class in Colorado.
That is like the definition.
I've been homeless.
Okay, I'm not gentrified.
I just play the game now.
Sometimes, when I have to.
To make money, I play the game.
The rest of the time, I'm still a degenerate.
All right, fight the system.
But I'm still gonna pay my taxes.
Yeah.
Because nobody fuck with the IRS and get away with it.
I had thought of 18 segues to go back to the game
throughout roughly the latter half
of what we've just recorded.
And I wanted to, but I was also having a lot of fun
talking about whatever the fuck we were just talking about.
It was great. It was a blast.
You could have just said objection at any point.
Oh, that would have been really good.
I've kept up with the theme.
That would have been man.
A more intelligent man, perhaps.
Not us.
Yeah.
Well, that's a different thing.
One thing I wanna cover before we move past it.
Love it.
I have a name here.
I have a list here of the names of the characters.
Oh, nice. Okay.
First one I wanna go back to,
but just like this is the first episode,
this is the first part that gets your tutorial trial.
Sure.
With your best friend. Larry Butz.
Larry Butz.
It wasn't until Detective Gumshoe fucks it up
and says Harry Butz.
Harry Butz, yeah.
I was like, that's fucking hilarious.
And all of a sudden realized that every name
was some kind of fucking,
some play on shit.
Frank saw it.
Frank saw it?
Yeah.
What?
Saw it.
Frank saw it.
I forgot about that.
He saw it.
I saw it.
He was like, right?
Yeah, Frank saw it.
Saw it.
That's ridiculous.
I love this game.
Dick Gumshoe.
I mean, that's not even.
I love that one, dude.
And that guy sucks, but you are right.
He does grow on you.
Cause he comes back and I kinda like him.
He's kind of an honest, good detective, man.
Yeah, a bit of an adult.
No, your rival.
Oh, Edgeworth?
Yeah, he's just made me think of you.
Like his name just made me think of you.
I fucking hated that guy.
Miles Edgeworth.
I was like, that should just be Edge's nickname
from now on.
No, Edgeworth?
April May.
I said that one already.
Yeah, April May.
What a terrible name.
And April May's boss.
Dude, Mr. Red White.
Red White.
Oh, a blue corp.
A blue corp.
Oh, he fucking hated that tool bag.
And he was just the biggest asshole,
metrosexual fucking Mike.
He's so, he's too big for his britches.
Oh, dude, he had all the fucking boy on.
To be fair, he's kinda like a fucking,
he's like a true kingpin, honestly.
He was.
Yeah, he really was.
He was an idiot.
And he would always make up words
to make him sound extra pretentious.
Like he thought he was smart,
but he thought he was just the dumbest fucking dude
just making shit up.
And it worked for him somehow.
It was really, I will say,
as annoying as that final court case was,
because of how many times his testimony
was revised and it was just,
every time you think, oh, I finally got him,
and it's just like, nope.
Nope.
I'm like, this is bullshit.
I definitely have this proven, what the fuck?
And he just got the fucking everyone on his payroll.
Yeah, because he's paying everybody off
or blackmailing everybody.
It was good though.
It was good watching him get his was honestly
satisfying as fuck,
even though the rules were a bit fucking janky.
Oh man, it's so unfortunate
it doesn't have this lady's actual name on here.
It's a security lady.
But her last name is Old Bags.
Old Bags?
Bags.
Bags, Old Bags?
Yeah.
That's her name?
Yeah, that's her last name.
Yeah.
And then there's another guy whose name is Will Powers.
Will Powers, dude.
I love it.
And Jack Hammer.
I love that.
Yeah, absolutely, Jack Hammer.
Dude, what the fuck?
They fucking killed it with these names.
And Phoenix Wright, what a weird also name.
Yeah, that one's not a,
I mean maybe there's a Japanese translation
that is missed on us there.
I mean, he rises from the ashes of his.
Being a shitty lawyer hood.
I guess, yeah.
Sure, yeah.
He is just a little fledgling lawyer boy.
Just working his butt off to fight the opposition
and seek a claim.
Be a detective basically.
Essentially, yeah.
Again, the rules are,
unlike roles are a bit flimsy in this universe.
The only way to prove that your client is innocent
is to find the murderer.
Literally, you can't just prove that they didn't do it.
No, you have to solve the case for it.
You have to.
Yeah.
That's the game.
Yeah, so a little bit frustrating as well
because you're like,
nah, that's not how this fucking works, dude.
No, but it made it so much more fun.
What else could you do?
Why is the attorney telling the judge
to revise the witness's testimony?
Like what the fuck, dude?
Yeah.
But fun ass games.
Fucking amazing.
Hilarious.
I can't wait for the next one to come up.
Yeah, that'll be a good time.
It will.
This is when I'm finishing.
I'm so close to the end.
I feel like I've gotta.
Yeah, it was what, five episodes?
I think.
I think so.
So I wanna finish, round this one out.
I'm so curious to how this case ends.
It'll just sit with me for far too long.
Right.
I know.
I've started the third episode like five times
and I'm like, I wanna do it.
I wanna know what's going on.
We never talked about it
and I wanna squeeze it into the very end here.
The single greatest safe feature in any game
I've ever experienced in my entire life.
You can save the game anytime.
It doesn't matter.
Granted, you have to save and close the game,
but you can literally like be in the middle of a dialogue
at any point in time and just hit the start button
and save the game and it saves it instantly.
But it saves it from the chapter beginning.
No, you can load the start or chapter start
or from your save point or chapter start.
Shut the fuck up.
I'm dead serious at any point in time.
And so I would just pick up and play it.
I'd be like, and then I'd have to jump up and do something.
Just save it, boom, set it down, keep going.
Man.
Yeah, dude.
That would have changed my experience.
I didn't know that.
I thought that you could really only save
at the beginning of the chapter
or when it gives you those pop-ups to save.
That's what I thought were your only save points.
There was a random tool tip, I think,
at some point that said you can hit start at any point
and save the game.
I know, I'd seen that, but I was like,
okay, what a good, that fucking does me, dude.
Well, I can save at any point,
but it's gonna take me back to the same.
You could literally do it in like the first three seconds
of the cut scene at the beginning of a chapter
and still load from there.
It's ridiculous.
Oh my God.
Very primo.
Shut the fuck up.
I'm so mad right now.
Watch the next title that we play on the venture
not have that at all and just missed out entirely.
So mad.
But for what little bit of gameplay you have left,
you're welcome.
Thanks.
I am glad I brought that up.
Shit, I was gonna text you about it too
at like early, like day three of the week
to just be like, how good is the save feature?
What are you talking about?
Next time I will, even if it seems odd.
I would have thought that you would have been like,
just saying, I like the pacing of it.
Like it really makes you kind of hooked in
for this amount of time.
And I do like that.
I've struggled to like have,
cause you don't really know how long
a certain something's gonna be.
And sometimes it's much longer.
Like that second chapter for me just went out forever.
But I also struggled with some of the testimonies
getting in the way.
But at first I didn't realize you could save whenever.
And so I was like, ooh, I'm gonna struggle to,
even though I'm emulating it,
like I'm gonna struggle to like be able to figure out
how to allocate enough time without it timing out
or shutting off or whatever.
I ran into that.
But then once I figured that out, I was like,
oh, well, I could literally consume this
in 30 second chunks if I wanted to.
Like that was cool.
I enjoyed that quite significant.
When I had ran into the issue of,
I think maybe my cat getting on my computer
and shutting it off and thus losing my progress
and having to backtrack a bit,
I was actually juggling between running Temporos
on RuneScape and clicking through the dialogue
and everything.
Click, click, click, click, click, do my fucking task.
Click, click, click, click, click, doing my task.
Hell yeah.
It's paced so perfectly.
Yeah, it's cool.
I enjoyed it quite a bit.
So I know we had already picked a game
for our next deal.
But talking about it,
I'm wondering if you wanna play the new Super Mario Bros.
Ooh.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah, I would be super down for that.
Yeah.
Honestly, the other game that we had talked about,
which I won't mention now
because it'll be a surprise for later.
Yeah, because I fucking.
I do actually still wanna play that.
I do wanna play that one.
Like normally when I've said this in the past,
it's been like, this game sucks.
I don't wanna play it.
No, it was just talking about Super Mario.
I'm like, this is a great game.
Yeah.
This new Super Mario Bros. dude,
this is one of the first games that I got on my R4
back when I first got an R4.
Okay.
And because I had thought,
I remember really enjoying this game on the Game Boy Color
as we were discussing.
And I was just always hesitant to buy it.
A Mario game is a Mario game is a Mario game.
Sure.
Not true.
Really?
They fucking.
So there are now we see there's what Super Mario Bros.
Wonder, is that what it's called?
That just came out.
That's the 2D one.
And I think there was one on the Wii U as well.
Okay.
This was kind of the resurgence of 2D Mario.
In the more like modern landscape,
every kind of split to 3D.
Yep.
Gotcha.
Okay.
Fuck yeah.
And it fucking does it beautifully.
Hell yeah.
We're excited about that actually.
Okay.
Let's do it.
All right.
Yeah.
Fuck the other idea.
Yeah.
Until later.
Yeah.
We'll do that one.
Definitely keep that one on the side.
Hell yeah.
I'm excited.
Okay.
Yeah.
I'm super stoked.
I'm Fletcher.
This over here is Ed.
Yo.
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And I just want to say thank you for listening,
for hanging out with us for a year.
And we're-
That's crazy.
Or for a couple episodes.
Either way, thanks for being here for the celebration.