WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.620 G'day leaders, in this episode of Captain and 00:00:02.620 --> 00:00:05.860 the Clown, we are talking about dream ignition. 00:00:06.219 --> 00:00:10.179 What it means to have a dream and the lengths 00:00:10.179 --> 00:00:14.080 that you'll go to fulfill it. Enjoy. Why did 00:00:14.080 --> 00:00:17.160 it count backwards? I know, we're now recording. 00:00:17.980 --> 00:00:26.559 What? Hello Captain. Come fly with me, let's 00:00:26.559 --> 00:00:31.760 fly, let's fly. What are we going to talk about? 00:00:32.020 --> 00:00:35.640 I don't know. So, leadership, life and everything 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:43.200 else. Yeah. And we're live again in Bali. Yes, 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:48.560 although we won't be live. It's been that long 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:51.060 since you forget that your job is to dismiss 00:00:51.060 --> 00:00:53.460 me saying we're live. It's been a while, yes. 00:00:54.340 --> 00:00:58.840 And anyway... You'll get used to it again. Yeah, 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:01.420 I will. No, we're not, Guy. No, we're not, Guy. 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:04.040 And we're live. What were your old sayings, you 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:06.019 say? No, we're recording. No, we're recording. 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:08.180 There you go. You'll get back into it. You'll 00:01:08.180 --> 00:01:10.239 get back into it. It's been a little hiatus. 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:13.359 We recorded yesterday and we're on a roll. We're 00:01:13.359 --> 00:01:15.280 on fire. We're on a roll. Two days in a row. 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:17.819 Yes. Two days in a row. But yesterday I promised 00:01:17.819 --> 00:01:20.299 something that we didn't actually then do in 00:01:20.299 --> 00:01:23.920 the podcast. I promised a story from your book, 00:01:24.040 --> 00:01:26.750 Lady MacGyver, out now in all good books. stores 00:01:26.750 --> 00:01:29.930 and on the top seller list of the aviation engineers 00:01:29.930 --> 00:01:33.010 and also on the best seller list at WHS Sydney. 00:01:33.250 --> 00:01:38.129 Yeah, WH Smith. Did I say it? Okay, WH Smith. 00:01:38.390 --> 00:01:40.909 H. I know, you always pick me up on my pronunciation 00:01:40.909 --> 00:01:43.489 of H. What is the correct pronunciation of the 00:01:43.489 --> 00:01:44.370 letter in the shell? It's spelled A -I -T -C 00:01:44.370 --> 00:01:46.689 -H. So what's the correct pronunciation? H. So 00:01:46.689 --> 00:01:49.109 all those numbers that say H. I think it's a 00:01:49.109 --> 00:01:51.969 Catholic thing, isn't it? The H. I'm not Catholic. 00:01:52.170 --> 00:01:55.329 I know. I didn't grow up with a religion. My 00:01:55.329 --> 00:01:57.269 parents weren't religious. We won't get into 00:01:57.269 --> 00:02:01.349 that. Okay, so it's not H, it's H. H, okay, there 00:02:01.349 --> 00:02:02.709 we go. There's the first lesson from this podcast. 00:02:02.709 --> 00:02:06.370 There will be people who disagree. You can disagree 00:02:06.370 --> 00:02:07.969 all you want with Michelle, but she will fight 00:02:07.969 --> 00:02:11.990 tooth and nail for this one. The poor kids constantly 00:02:11.990 --> 00:02:16.629 get, it's H, not H. And I'm the instigator because 00:02:16.629 --> 00:02:19.969 I always say, I've said H my whole life. I remember. 00:02:20.110 --> 00:02:23.129 I hope you said E -F -G -H -I -J. Anyway, it 00:02:23.129 --> 00:02:26.449 doesn't matter. Okay. So, this podcast, we're 00:02:26.449 --> 00:02:32.810 calling it Dream Launch. Yes. I think that's 00:02:32.810 --> 00:02:35.729 what I put in the file. Dream Launching. Dream 00:02:35.729 --> 00:02:38.409 Launching. Yes. So, because we're talking about... 00:02:38.569 --> 00:02:41.110 one of the stories that we could share from Michelle's 00:02:41.110 --> 00:02:46.310 book, Lady MacGyver, and that was the very first 00:02:46.310 --> 00:02:50.250 story as to how your dream of becoming a pilot 00:02:50.250 --> 00:02:52.669 was ignited. Yes, but I'm not going to read from 00:02:52.669 --> 00:02:55.090 the book. Dream Ignition. That's it, Dream Ignition. 00:02:55.090 --> 00:02:56.509 Dream Ignition is the name of this podcast. But 00:02:56.509 --> 00:02:58.409 I'm not going to read from the book. No, no, 00:02:58.409 --> 00:02:59.969 but I'd like you to share that story because 00:02:59.969 --> 00:03:02.270 I find it a fabulous story because we've all 00:03:02.270 --> 00:03:05.990 had dreams that we've moved towards or ignored 00:03:05.990 --> 00:03:08.259 or forgotten about. Or just held it. as a dream 00:03:08.259 --> 00:03:11.099 or still holding as a dream yes and those dreams 00:03:11.099 --> 00:03:14.400 start from somewhere yes yours your dream to 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:18.139 be a pilot started in a very unusual way so can 00:03:18.139 --> 00:03:22.729 you share yes so My father was in the RAAF, in 00:03:22.729 --> 00:03:27.909 the Air Force, and we moved to Malaysia. So Dad 00:03:27.909 --> 00:03:30.629 was based at Butterworth and we lived in Penang. 00:03:30.750 --> 00:03:34.229 And I was a bit of a tomboy as a kid. I was the 00:03:34.229 --> 00:03:38.909 son Dad never had. And I would go to the Air 00:03:38.909 --> 00:03:41.990 Force Base with him. I loved the smell of the 00:03:41.990 --> 00:03:45.680 burnt kerou, you know, the fuel. Avgas. Well, 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:51.400 it was Avtur. Avtur? Yes. What's Tur? A turbine. 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:56.599 Turbine, okay. And the old Jet A1. Is it all 00:03:56.599 --> 00:03:59.879 the same thing? No. Okay. Jet A1, Avtur. So it's 00:03:59.879 --> 00:04:02.379 like burnt kerosene. Right, we'll go burnt kerosene. 00:04:02.379 --> 00:04:07.280 Yeah. I love the fact that, you know, these military 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:11.240 aircraft, the SPAS jets, you could see them and 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:13.500 then seconds later you'd hear them that boom 00:04:13.500 --> 00:04:20.139 afterwards. And I, as part of the way to keep 00:04:20.139 --> 00:04:23.620 children entertained, that we're Air Force children, 00:04:23.939 --> 00:04:29.759 we had colouring in competitions and I was really 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:31.959 good at colouring in. You're still good at that. 00:04:33.100 --> 00:04:36.120 Hopefully it can go outside of colouring in. 00:04:36.220 --> 00:04:39.339 But my dad would make sure I coloured in between 00:04:39.339 --> 00:04:44.879 the lines and I was 100 % accurate with the camouflage 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:48.879 pattern. on particular aircraft and where the 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:54.620 flags were and the markings and the regos. I'm 00:04:54.620 --> 00:04:56.379 picturing you're colouring in. It would look 00:04:56.379 --> 00:04:59.620 like a photograph. Well, Dad made sure, and I 00:04:59.620 --> 00:05:04.139 was seven. And we would go out to the base and 00:05:04.139 --> 00:05:07.459 I would be positioned next to an aircraft and 00:05:07.459 --> 00:05:10.550 I would copy. everything down the shadows and 00:05:10.550 --> 00:05:13.730 things and and so i won quite a few competitions 00:05:13.730 --> 00:05:18.990 and our prizes were flights in caribou chinooks 00:05:18.990 --> 00:05:25.089 hercules um hercules you know clapping and the 00:05:25.089 --> 00:05:29.959 you know i i won them so often and i'm not bragging 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:32.120 here but i saw yes you are you're a very good 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:34.040 artist you're allowed to brag i can i'm hopefully 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:35.819 an artist that goes out i brag about your art 00:05:35.819 --> 00:05:38.079 all the time i tell people i live in an art gallery 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:41.540 so you know continue your story without my interruptions 00:05:41.540 --> 00:05:43.319 but i will interrupt again because i enjoy it 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:49.800 the and so the um I saw pilots flying the aircraft 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:54.660 and naively in my childish innocence I would 00:05:54.660 --> 00:05:57.600 think they were just doing the same you know 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:01.620 toggle flicking a button pushing in the same 00:06:01.620 --> 00:06:05.290 sequence every time and As a kid, you think, 00:06:05.410 --> 00:06:07.290 yeah, I can do that, because you see the pattern. 00:06:07.589 --> 00:06:10.430 I'm one of those children, probably now would 00:06:10.430 --> 00:06:13.149 be diagnosed with something, but one of those 00:06:13.149 --> 00:06:16.769 kids that wallpaper back in the day, in the 70s 00:06:16.769 --> 00:06:19.850 and 80s, we had it, and I could see the repeat, 00:06:19.990 --> 00:06:23.930 and I would also see in the negative faces and 00:06:23.930 --> 00:06:28.930 different things. But I saw the pattern in what 00:06:28.930 --> 00:06:32.949 the pilots were doing, and it looked easy. It 00:06:32.949 --> 00:06:35.769 is, isn't it? Flying planes? It is, it is. But 00:06:35.769 --> 00:06:38.269 I had no understanding of what you needed to 00:06:38.269 --> 00:06:40.649 actually know for when things went wrong. But 00:06:40.649 --> 00:06:45.129 the flight that kind of sealed the deal as far 00:06:45.129 --> 00:06:49.230 as igniting the dream of flying was, again, I'd 00:06:49.230 --> 00:06:52.910 won first prize and we were there at the base 00:06:52.910 --> 00:06:55.610 and we were marched across to a line of aircraft. 00:06:56.230 --> 00:06:59.329 And as I climbed the stairs and they were similar 00:06:59.329 --> 00:07:02.350 to... You know the backyard pool stairs, the 00:07:02.350 --> 00:07:03.449 above ground backyard? Yep, the little ones. 00:07:03.629 --> 00:07:06.670 Yep, the little stairs. And I climbed up and 00:07:06.670 --> 00:07:10.149 I got in the seat and the pilot leaned across. 00:07:10.730 --> 00:07:13.389 He was behind me, leaned across and helped me 00:07:13.389 --> 00:07:16.610 fasten my five -point harness. That's a serious 00:07:16.610 --> 00:07:19.050 seatbelt. It is. It was keeping everything in. 00:07:19.290 --> 00:07:23.470 And he said to me, Michelle, do not touch anything. 00:07:24.350 --> 00:07:26.829 which was really good advice because I was only 00:07:26.829 --> 00:07:30.189 seven and we were in a Mirage 3 fighter jet, 00:07:30.389 --> 00:07:34.500 which was beyond awesome. You're in a Mirage 00:07:34.500 --> 00:07:37.060 fighter jet age seven. Yeah, the trainer. By 00:07:37.060 --> 00:07:38.740 the way, I know this story, but again, every 00:07:38.740 --> 00:07:40.459 time I listen to it, I think, oh my God, how 00:07:40.459 --> 00:07:43.319 do you put a seven -year -old into a Mirage fighter 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:45.160 and then take them up on a flight? Well, the 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:47.459 funny thing is I spoke to my dad only a couple 00:07:47.459 --> 00:07:50.259 of weeks ago. He read the book and he said, I 00:07:50.259 --> 00:07:53.399 can't believe we let you do that. Like, thinking 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:55.860 back now, all the things that could have gone 00:07:55.860 --> 00:07:59.259 wrong and, you know, if you'd had to eject, you 00:07:59.259 --> 00:08:01.399 probably would have broken. Like, you're a seven 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:05.180 -year -old child. Eject, eject. What do I do? 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:07.240 What do I do? Well, no, just that, yeah, there 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:09.610 are so many things that could go wrong. Would 00:08:09.610 --> 00:08:11.790 they have been able to eject you or would you 00:08:11.790 --> 00:08:14.029 have had to have ejected yourself just like Top 00:08:14.029 --> 00:08:16.250 Gun where they're pulling that round thing? I'm 00:08:16.250 --> 00:08:19.430 not sure. I don't know. I've not been in a Mirage 00:08:19.430 --> 00:08:20.529 since then. Imagine that. You're in danger and 00:08:20.529 --> 00:08:22.490 the pilot's going, Michelle, eject, eject. And 00:08:22.490 --> 00:08:25.449 you're going, what does that mean? I don't have 00:08:25.449 --> 00:08:27.410 my cassette recorder with me. In reality, I would 00:08:27.410 --> 00:08:30.170 probably not let my kids do it, even now at 14. 00:08:30.689 --> 00:08:33.009 Well, OH &S was a bit different back then, you 00:08:33.009 --> 00:08:35.409 used to say. Yeah, that's right. It was pretty 00:08:35.409 --> 00:08:40.320 loose, OH &S. So, yeah. Okay, now I want to put 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:43.519 us in the seat, put our audience in the seat 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:45.960 and tell us the experience of flying in a fighter 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:49.879 jet H7. So I've got the five -point harness on, 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:52.419 which is pretty tight, so I couldn't really move. 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:57.100 And then it seemed we started and you felt that 00:08:57.100 --> 00:09:00.990 roar of the engine. I felt it. through my body 00:09:00.990 --> 00:09:05.129 just that like just like my old 1969 vw beetle 00:09:05.129 --> 00:09:08.950 no it's bigger than that but so that the engine 00:09:08.950 --> 00:09:11.889 at the back and it just roared and then we we 00:09:11.889 --> 00:09:14.909 felt it seemed to go from a standing start to 00:09:14.909 --> 00:09:17.610 straight vertical towards the moon within seconds 00:09:17.610 --> 00:09:19.690 how many g's are you pulling there i don't know 00:09:19.690 --> 00:09:22.190 i didn't black out or gray out so but we went 00:09:22.190 --> 00:09:24.070 straight it felt like we went straight up mind 00:09:24.070 --> 00:09:29.679 you it could have been just a normal climb back 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:32.659 then is like, I've probably created, you know, 00:09:32.659 --> 00:09:36.159 we went to the moon, but yeah, it was mainly 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:38.580 up to 3000 feet or something. I don't know. But, 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:41.980 um, we, it felt like we went straight up and 00:09:41.980 --> 00:09:44.399 then there was that feeling of weightlessness 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:48.940 when we nosed over and it was just that, like, 00:09:49.019 --> 00:09:50.639 you know, you get that funny feeling in your 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:53.200 tummy and it's like, Oh, it's on your weightless. 00:09:53.220 --> 00:09:56.899 Yes. And then screaming back down and it felt 00:09:56.899 --> 00:10:00.590 like we were pointed to earth. Yeah. Again, probably 00:10:00.590 --> 00:10:04.710 just a normal descent, but fast. And you're seven. 00:10:04.970 --> 00:10:09.470 Yeah. And I remember like I was screaming audibly, 00:10:09.509 --> 00:10:11.909 not from fear, just excitement. It was like the 00:10:11.909 --> 00:10:15.389 best roller coaster ride you could ever do. And 00:10:15.389 --> 00:10:18.669 when we leveled out and then I think we just 00:10:18.669 --> 00:10:22.090 did a normal circuit entry pattern back in to 00:10:22.090 --> 00:10:25.470 land, it was just like, oh. that's what i want 00:10:25.470 --> 00:10:27.370 to do i'm going to do that i'm going to be a 00:10:27.370 --> 00:10:30.309 pilot thinking i was going to fly mirages and 00:10:30.309 --> 00:10:32.929 that was it you know that was my dream so originally 00:10:32.929 --> 00:10:34.950 you were going to be a fighter pilot yeah although 00:10:34.950 --> 00:10:36.909 i didn't realize that fighter pilot meant that 00:10:36.909 --> 00:10:41.110 you had to fight okay it's not just no i just 00:10:41.110 --> 00:10:42.870 wanted to fly fast planes you're going to shoot 00:10:42.870 --> 00:10:44.830 at other people yeah no i didn't want to do that 00:10:44.830 --> 00:10:46.730 oh well i didn't actually think about it no of 00:10:46.730 --> 00:10:49.110 course not because i doubt on your joyride you 00:10:49.110 --> 00:10:50.870 would have been shooting at things yeah no no 00:10:50.870 --> 00:10:54.049 okay and so that's when your dream to be a pilot 00:10:54.220 --> 00:10:58.600 was ignited yes yes wow so how many people on 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:00.779 the planet have that sort of experience where 00:11:00.779 --> 00:11:03.960 their dream was ignited at seven with such an 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:09.159 extreme level of intense emotions and you know 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:12.539 that's that's probably about five five seven 00:11:12.539 --> 00:11:20.580 year olds that's that's just an extraordinary 00:11:20.580 --> 00:11:23.440 story and every time i hear it i put myself in 00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:25.860 that seat and i feel what you felt and i can 00:11:25.860 --> 00:11:27.799 only imagine that that would have ignited your 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:31.960 dream so how about you have you got any dream 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.080 dreams yes i don't know about dream ignition 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:37.399 but sorry just before we do that can I just go 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:40.379 back to you know and that that's when it all 00:11:40.379 --> 00:11:43.320 started for you and the fact that I obviously 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:45.480 read your book many many times throughout the 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:50.320 whole editing process and to know what you went 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:54.360 through to become an airline captain at the end 00:11:55.850 --> 00:11:58.309 Again, I know I've told you this thousands of 00:11:58.309 --> 00:12:01.129 times just directly in person off microphone. 00:12:01.490 --> 00:12:03.870 I take my hat off to you. What you had to go 00:12:03.870 --> 00:12:07.210 through and the challenges you overcame and then 00:12:07.210 --> 00:12:10.870 the heights that you reached in your airline. 00:12:11.669 --> 00:12:14.909 43 ,000 feet. Yeah, exactly. That's a long way 00:12:14.909 --> 00:12:17.330 up. In your aviation career. Kudos to you, Michelle. 00:12:17.490 --> 00:12:22.070 That you had a dream at seven, but then you worked. 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:28.519 tirelessly and often foolishly. And maybe one 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:31.039 day we'll tell that foolish story. Yes, yes. 00:12:32.299 --> 00:12:35.759 Some could say I am stubborn. Stubborn. Well, 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:38.860 stubbornness was a beautiful trait in you because 00:12:38.860 --> 00:12:41.659 it got you to where you wanted to be. Yeah, extraordinary. 00:12:42.019 --> 00:12:46.860 But age seven. I didn't have any dreams at age 00:12:46.860 --> 00:12:51.840 seven. Right. None whatsoever. I was a shy, sensitive, 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:54.360 insecure little sook. I've told everyone this 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:56.580 many times in my courses and on the podcast. 00:12:57.059 --> 00:12:59.919 And I kind of, I was a go with the flow sort 00:12:59.919 --> 00:13:04.250 of kid. I played footy because my brother played 00:13:04.250 --> 00:13:06.529 footy and he was younger, but he was very, very 00:13:06.529 --> 00:13:08.889 good. And I played cricket and whatever and a 00:13:08.889 --> 00:13:11.409 lot with my brother. I just kind of just, I went 00:13:11.409 --> 00:13:16.029 along and just joined in and I wasn't very goal 00:13:16.029 --> 00:13:18.190 driven. I wasn't a very motivated young man, 00:13:18.350 --> 00:13:24.230 but I developed a skill. No, I discovered that 00:13:24.230 --> 00:13:26.710 I have a skill and that is that I'm very good 00:13:26.710 --> 00:13:28.669 at putting my head in front of fast moving objects. 00:13:30.740 --> 00:13:32.899 That's how they choose a goalkeeper. They throw 00:13:32.899 --> 00:13:34.379 a brick at your head and if you don't duck, you're 00:13:34.379 --> 00:13:40.440 the goalie. So I'd never had a goal to make the 00:13:40.440 --> 00:13:44.000 Olympic team. I played water polo because a teacher 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:46.419 at school said, would anyone like to play the 00:13:46.419 --> 00:13:49.419 sport? I was in year seven. And he said, come 00:13:49.419 --> 00:13:50.879 and see me after assembly if you're interested 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:52.620 in playing water polo. Now I'd played every sport 00:13:52.620 --> 00:13:55.100 under the sun because I love sport and I'll give 00:13:55.100 --> 00:13:58.000 anything a go. So I went up and I played water 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:01.360 polo. And that first year, I was the worst player 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:04.440 in the water. I was horrible. I could tread water, 00:14:04.620 --> 00:14:07.759 but I was a skinny little kid and weak and quite 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:10.340 useless. And I'll just tell a quick side story. 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:14.879 I went to my water polo club, Aubrey Water Polo 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:18.360 Club was my first water polo club down in Aubrey, 00:14:18.379 --> 00:14:24.519 obviously. And I went to the... I think the 30 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:28.679 -year reunion? Yes. And I'm an Olympian at that 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:31.039 stage, but one of the guys came up to me and 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:34.419 said, I still can't believe you made it. You 00:14:34.419 --> 00:14:36.679 were the worst bloody player in the whole team. 00:14:37.139 --> 00:14:38.779 Was that the one we went to last year? Yeah, 00:14:38.820 --> 00:14:41.240 yeah, the one that you were at, yeah. And anyway, 00:14:41.299 --> 00:14:44.299 I still find that very funny. So I played water 00:14:44.299 --> 00:14:47.200 polo, but I was never goal -driven, but I just 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:49.379 kept on turning up, turning up, turning up because 00:14:49.379 --> 00:14:54.139 I like participating. joining in with what other 00:14:54.139 --> 00:14:58.080 people are doing and and then eventually um i 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.220 was offered a scholarship to the australian institute 00:15:01.220 --> 00:15:03.500 of sport and again it wasn't a goal that i was 00:15:03.500 --> 00:15:05.200 working towards i wasn't working towards any 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:07.759 of these goals and it wasn't until i got to the 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:10.480 institute where i was surrounded by all these 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:13.679 very motivated very very goal -driven human beings 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:19.779 where i started to catch on that I need to set 00:15:19.779 --> 00:15:22.240 goals and so yeah that's when that's when I set 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:24.580 my goal for being an Olympian and for being the 00:15:24.580 --> 00:15:27.679 best in the world but it was only because I was 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:30.399 surrounded by other motivated people yeah so 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:32.480 you got a flight in a fighter jet I just happened 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:35.299 to be living with the most motivated athletes 00:15:35.299 --> 00:15:37.399 in the country and it was kind of infectious 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:41.610 yeah Well, look, there's something about your 00:15:41.610 --> 00:15:44.789 tribe who you hang around, definitely, or seeing 00:15:44.789 --> 00:15:48.990 somebody who's doing it that then gives you the 00:15:48.990 --> 00:15:54.950 confidence and the, I say the script, but also 00:15:54.950 --> 00:15:59.129 the ways forward. Yeah. That there is a path, 00:15:59.190 --> 00:16:01.970 a pathway forward. Yeah. But I just want to say, 00:16:02.190 --> 00:16:05.350 and I read somewhere, I don't know where I read 00:16:05.350 --> 00:16:09.340 it, about... A lot of people feel that they've 00:16:09.340 --> 00:16:13.059 failed in their dreams or goals if they haven't 00:16:13.059 --> 00:16:16.799 made it to number one. But a dream or a goal 00:16:16.799 --> 00:16:20.919 doesn't need to be the best of. It's your best. 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:24.259 And your best may be not number one, but number 00:16:24.259 --> 00:16:28.960 27 or 16 or it might be the third or whatever, 00:16:29.179 --> 00:16:34.080 especially even in teams. remember um when I 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:38.259 was a teen I wanted to travel to America and 00:16:38.259 --> 00:16:41.200 to Canada and like I wanted to see the world 00:16:42.059 --> 00:16:44.779 and to London, and I was in a marching band, 00:16:44.899 --> 00:16:47.179 the Marching Koalas from Newcastle, a combined 00:16:47.179 --> 00:16:50.279 high school marching band. Now, I couldn't play 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:53.500 an instrument, and I was on the drill squad, 00:16:53.620 --> 00:16:56.700 which was we twirled flags, we twirled batons. 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:00.740 I was Australian flag at one stage because I 00:17:00.740 --> 00:17:04.920 was tall. You're still tall, Michelle. But I 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:08.180 wasn't the best at playing any instruments. I 00:17:08.180 --> 00:17:10.160 definitely wasn't the best in drill squad at 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:16.160 all. cohesively as a team um we you know we we 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:18.660 complimented and supported each other and we 00:17:18.660 --> 00:17:21.400 got to go to those places it was it was great 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:24.740 so so yeah i just i just wanted to say that um 00:17:24.740 --> 00:17:26.640 you don't have to you don't have to be the best 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:29.980 no you want to aim for your best yeah yeah but 00:17:29.980 --> 00:17:32.000 and it can you can still achieve goals and dreams 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:35.220 yeah um being part of a team or you know collective 00:17:35.220 --> 00:17:41.519 or whatever There's one thing that we talk about 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:44.099 in our time management course that is relevant 00:17:44.099 --> 00:17:46.859 to this discussion. So goals don't create happiness. 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:50.079 No. And I learned this from Scott Adams from 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:53.200 the Dilbert comic. Oh, yes. I don't remember 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:57.299 where I read it, but he's attributed as saying 00:17:57.299 --> 00:18:00.000 that goals don't create happiness. Your daily 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.569 routines do. Yeah, so goals are simply things 00:18:03.569 --> 00:18:04.829 that you want to achieve at some point in time 00:18:04.829 --> 00:18:06.589 in the future. The problem with having goals 00:18:06.589 --> 00:18:09.509 is that when you focus on them, you're focusing 00:18:09.509 --> 00:18:11.809 on the future. We've spoken about this before. 00:18:11.970 --> 00:18:14.009 We have in the podcast. So you're always focused 00:18:14.009 --> 00:18:16.309 on the future, which means that you get into 00:18:16.309 --> 00:18:19.190 this mindset, I'll be happy when I achieve that 00:18:19.190 --> 00:18:21.490 goal. I'll be happy when I get that thing or 00:18:21.490 --> 00:18:23.349 whatever it is. But no, you won't because when 00:18:23.349 --> 00:18:25.190 you get there, you've already moved past it because 00:18:25.190 --> 00:18:27.430 time's not going to stop for you. And now you've 00:18:27.430 --> 00:18:29.569 got to set another goal. So what goals do is 00:18:29.569 --> 00:18:31.609 they just give you direction. yeah it's your 00:18:31.609 --> 00:18:33.970 North Star and then enjoying the journey is important 00:18:33.970 --> 00:18:36.829 yeah that's where the secret is yeah and I've 00:18:36.829 --> 00:18:39.769 spoken about this before there were so many pilots 00:18:39.769 --> 00:18:44.329 that were so set on getting into the airlines 00:18:44.329 --> 00:18:49.069 they really despised the flying they needed to 00:18:49.069 --> 00:18:52.630 do to build the hours beforehand which is really 00:18:52.630 --> 00:18:56.390 sad because it's still your life and you know 00:18:56.390 --> 00:19:00.769 I cannot say that there was not there was a single 00:19:00.769 --> 00:19:04.190 trip that i didn't love like i i enjoyed and 00:19:04.190 --> 00:19:06.190 some of them taught me lessons definitely and 00:19:06.190 --> 00:19:07.750 there were days that were better than others 00:19:07.750 --> 00:19:12.650 but um every single day was you know one another 00:19:12.650 --> 00:19:17.710 step towards uh getting into an airline but also 00:19:17.710 --> 00:19:20.069 i learned so much and met so many nice people 00:19:20.069 --> 00:19:22.230 and a lot of those people i'm still in contact 00:19:22.230 --> 00:19:25.849 with it was it was fun i see i think that's maybe 00:19:25.849 --> 00:19:27.589 a bit of the difference between your journey 00:19:27.589 --> 00:19:31.240 my journey Turning up to the pool and killing 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:34.779 ourselves physically, I didn't at first find 00:19:34.779 --> 00:19:37.779 fun. So I couldn't find the pleasure in the day. 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:39.680 I couldn't find the pleasure in the day because 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:42.480 it was all pain. People throwing... balls at 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:46.000 me at 95 kilometers an hour it's it's smashing 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:49.079 my ligaments and breaking my nose and and then 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:51.920 we're swimming four five six kilometers where 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:55.279 we're holding weights above our head it was grueling 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:58.880 punishment every day and finding the fun the 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:01.680 enjoyment in that didn't come until later I don't 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:03.359 know why I don't know why where it came from 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:06.259 but listening to your story but I'm not saying 00:20:06.259 --> 00:20:09.059 it's it was easy no I'm not saying it was easy 00:20:09.059 --> 00:20:11.589 for you I'm saying what you did took a a lot 00:20:11.589 --> 00:20:14.250 of effort and training and learning and it wasn't 00:20:14.250 --> 00:20:18.390 easy but the way you describe it to me is that 00:20:18.390 --> 00:20:22.509 you were able to enjoy the process yeah look 00:20:22.509 --> 00:20:24.269 if nothing else they're great stories at the 00:20:24.269 --> 00:20:27.349 bar you know there were days when when the aircraft 00:20:27.349 --> 00:20:30.529 were just held together and you know they had 00:20:30.529 --> 00:20:35.029 oil leaks and fuel leaks and you needed uh you 00:20:35.029 --> 00:20:37.690 know 10 air fresheners in the aircraft or what 00:20:37.690 --> 00:20:39.789 was that lady macgyver thing you did with the 00:20:39.789 --> 00:20:44.309 wheel struts i won't tell that one okay but there 00:20:44.309 --> 00:20:46.630 were there were times when you know you were 00:20:46.630 --> 00:20:49.809 you had substandard equipment and substandard 00:20:49.829 --> 00:20:52.849 weather there was you know rainbows at one stage 00:20:52.849 --> 00:20:55.509 equaled danger to me because every time I saw 00:20:55.509 --> 00:20:57.990 a rainbow it was like oh there's lightning around 00:20:57.990 --> 00:21:02.750 or you know some well no that's what I associated 00:21:02.750 --> 00:21:05.789 with but it was there you know there were there 00:21:05.789 --> 00:21:07.789 were times when the turbulence was so bad your 00:21:07.789 --> 00:21:10.509 teeth were chattering and and um you couldn't 00:21:10.509 --> 00:21:14.710 see the instruments and uh you know things weren't 00:21:14.710 --> 00:21:19.029 amazing but Every single day, like every single 00:21:19.029 --> 00:21:22.039 night, I slept well thinking... Well, that was 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:24.619 an experience. That's an hour I've definitely 00:21:24.619 --> 00:21:29.000 earned in the logbook this day. And you loved 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:32.440 flying. I did. I love flying. And even when I 00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:35.319 was, and I will admit I was scared sometimes, 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:39.799 but it was because I'd read about it. So I was 00:21:39.799 --> 00:21:42.339 book smart, but not necessarily experience smart. 00:21:42.579 --> 00:21:48.480 And I knew I had to get out into it. And, yeah, 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:53.299 because it was not something that I had experienced 00:21:53.299 --> 00:21:56.900 before or was familiar with, or I'd had an experience 00:21:56.900 --> 00:22:01.200 that wasn't particularly fun, and so I had an 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:04.799 apprehension towards it. But, again, more experience, 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:09.279 more hours in it, I became more confident in 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:12.910 my own ability. in my ability of reading the 00:22:12.910 --> 00:22:15.210 weather the situation etc and then of course 00:22:15.210 --> 00:22:16.809 you move into airlines where you've got someone 00:22:16.809 --> 00:22:20.390 else to spitball with and to scream with no we 00:22:20.390 --> 00:22:22.450 didn't scream but you know it was someone sitting 00:22:22.450 --> 00:22:24.630 next to you yeah yeah rather than your own reflection 00:22:24.630 --> 00:22:27.970 definitely yeah yeah whereas i had all the people 00:22:27.970 --> 00:22:29.369 sitting in front of me throwing things at me 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:36.680 I'm sure I've told you. Did I tell you that I 00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:38.240 didn't know I'd made the Olympic team when I 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:39.599 made the Olympic team? You did, you did, yeah. 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:41.599 Have I told it on this podcast? No, you haven't. 00:22:41.619 --> 00:22:46.019 Okay. So, like I said, I wasn't hugely goal -driven. 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:48.980 It was, I don't know what I was searching for. 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:50.400 I think I was just searching. Which is funny 00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:52.240 that you were the goalkeeper. Yeah, exactly, 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:54.720 exactly. Well, I wasn't scoring goals, Michelle. 00:22:54.900 --> 00:22:59.059 No, no. I was saving goals. And so I kind of 00:22:59.059 --> 00:23:01.000 had it set in my head that I'd like to go to 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:03.349 an Olympics, but I hadn't targeted. the Olympics 00:23:03.349 --> 00:23:06.269 I went to. And we were at the Australian Championships 00:23:06.269 --> 00:23:08.589 in Adelaide. I was playing for New South Wales. 00:23:08.710 --> 00:23:12.950 We won. And then they said, all of these players, 00:23:13.069 --> 00:23:16.869 please join the coach in this room. So they'd 00:23:16.869 --> 00:23:18.589 virtually announced the Australian squad. Now, 00:23:18.609 --> 00:23:20.130 I'd been in the Australian squad beforehand. 00:23:20.809 --> 00:23:25.089 I'd played games for Australia. So I was kind 00:23:25.089 --> 00:23:27.690 of in the Australian team, but I was on the edge 00:23:27.690 --> 00:23:29.809 because I was young. In and out. In and out. 00:23:29.910 --> 00:23:33.309 Yes. And so they had an established goalkeeper. 00:23:33.609 --> 00:23:35.890 And then I was fighting, I guess, for the second 00:23:35.890 --> 00:23:38.549 place. And then they took us all into the room 00:23:38.549 --> 00:23:40.930 and we're all standing there. And the captain, 00:23:41.049 --> 00:23:43.470 Chris Whitebrow, one of the most amazing players 00:23:43.470 --> 00:23:46.630 Australia's ever had, and just a genuinely lovely 00:23:46.630 --> 00:23:49.049 human being, he walked up to me and he said, 00:23:49.089 --> 00:23:51.650 congratulations. And I said, oh, thanks, mate. 00:23:52.349 --> 00:23:56.650 And he said, you've got no idea, do you? And 00:23:56.650 --> 00:23:59.660 I went... what what and he said have a look around 00:23:59.660 --> 00:24:02.019 the room and i did and again i looked at my what 00:24:02.019 --> 00:24:05.579 and he said how many goalkeepers are in this 00:24:05.579 --> 00:24:10.220 room and i looked around i said two and he said 00:24:10.220 --> 00:24:13.140 they only take two to the olympics mate you just 00:24:13.140 --> 00:24:16.039 made the olympic team and i was in shock I was 00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:17.880 in shock. That's how I discovered I was in the 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:19.420 Olympic team. Somebody else had to point it out 00:24:19.420 --> 00:24:22.599 to me that they only ever take two goalkeepers 00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:25.880 and there was only two in the room. And it was 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:28.779 a really lovely experience. One, because Chris 00:24:28.779 --> 00:24:31.519 was the person that delivered it and I hold him 00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:34.799 in very high regard. But two, the fact that I'd 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:38.240 achieved a dream that I wasn't really... You 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:39.740 didn't know you were dreaming. I wasn't clawing 00:24:39.740 --> 00:24:42.119 for it. It wasn't like it was, if it happened, 00:24:42.180 --> 00:24:44.619 it happened sort of thing. But then... From then 00:24:44.619 --> 00:24:46.940 on, I was going to claw tooth and nail for everything 00:24:46.940 --> 00:24:49.160 that came my way. I actually didn't want to, 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:51.200 because I did feel a bit embarrassed that I didn't 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:53.759 know. So I never wanted to feel that way again. 00:24:53.859 --> 00:24:55.980 So that's when I guess I started to claw, you 00:24:55.980 --> 00:24:58.819 know, tooth, claw and nail. Tooth and nail? Tooth 00:24:58.819 --> 00:25:00.980 and nail. Yeah, whatever the saying is, Michelle, 00:25:01.180 --> 00:25:04.359 but I'm really not doing... Claws and teeth and 00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:07.180 nails. Yeah, scrambling, scrambling for. Anyway, 00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:10.039 so from then on, I was quite goal driven. But 00:25:10.039 --> 00:25:15.180 prior to that, I hadn't been. Goals are an interesting 00:25:15.180 --> 00:25:17.759 thing. Yours were ignited at seven. Mine kind 00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:20.400 of came along on the journey. But they're important 00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:22.519 because they give you direction. They give you 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:24.359 something to work towards. And you don't have 00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:27.079 to have a goal. Like my goal at seven, okay, 00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:30.410 I realized it. And I have so many more. dreams 00:25:30.410 --> 00:25:32.890 and goals that you haven't achieved not not yet 00:25:32.890 --> 00:25:36.049 no i'm on my way and i have achieved other dreams 00:25:36.049 --> 00:25:38.650 and goals so it's just a constantly evolving 00:25:38.650 --> 00:25:43.789 continuing to strive for something um yeah which 00:25:43.789 --> 00:25:48.210 makes well it gives me my personality type um 00:25:48.210 --> 00:25:51.450 a reason to get up every morning um even when 00:25:51.450 --> 00:25:55.650 we do our you know you were talking about dilbert 00:25:55.650 --> 00:26:00.289 the scott adams was saying how you know the um 00:26:00.289 --> 00:26:03.950 what is it having the uh routine routines is 00:26:03.950 --> 00:26:07.710 where happiness happens so goals just create 00:26:07.710 --> 00:26:11.150 direction so the fact that every morning we play 00:26:12.230 --> 00:26:15.329 Backgammon. And, you know, we have a coffee and 00:26:15.329 --> 00:26:20.250 we go for a walk. All of those routines definitely 00:26:20.250 --> 00:26:24.930 create a fantastic foundation for the day. The 00:26:24.930 --> 00:26:28.230 morning vitamin drink. Yeah, it is. And it's 00:26:28.230 --> 00:26:30.890 the fact that it's a routine. So something to 00:26:30.890 --> 00:26:33.349 look forward to. I don't actually have to think 00:26:33.349 --> 00:26:37.190 about because it's routine. It's a habit. But 00:26:37.190 --> 00:26:40.589 it is the best way for me to start the day. Yeah. 00:26:41.230 --> 00:26:44.809 So if you can cultivate your daily routine, what 00:26:44.809 --> 00:26:49.299 you do every morning. and put it into a format 00:26:49.299 --> 00:26:51.240 where you don't need to think about it. So the 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:52.880 night before you go to bed, put the lemon on 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:56.460 the bench, put the glass and the water that you're 00:26:56.460 --> 00:26:57.599 going to be putting with the lemon and maybe 00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:00.359 the salt. This sounds amazing, Guy, but we don't 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:02.680 do that. We don't have to, but we don't have 00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:06.019 to. No, we don't because we do the thing. Before 00:27:06.019 --> 00:27:07.920 we started having a vitamin drink, you might 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:10.140 remember that we had lemon and salt every morning. 00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:12.279 We don't do that anymore because we've replaced 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:14.680 it with a vitamin drink, but I used to put the 00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:16.839 lemon on the table. on the bench downstairs until 00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:20.119 it became a habit. Yes, you're right. So habit 00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:22.859 stacking. Yes. Yes. So if people want to know 00:27:22.859 --> 00:27:24.539 more about habit stacking, they need to read 00:27:24.539 --> 00:27:27.619 the book by James Clear. What's it called? Atomic 00:27:27.619 --> 00:27:30.180 Habits. Atomic Habits. Yes, yes. About habit 00:27:30.180 --> 00:27:32.180 stacking. Anyway, I think that was a nice little 00:27:32.180 --> 00:27:34.539 story. Thank you for sharing with our listeners 00:27:34.539 --> 00:27:38.400 when your dream was ignited. Yeah, thanks, Guy. 00:27:38.500 --> 00:27:41.920 And you too. Yeah. That was fun. Yeah. And if 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:45.000 you're hearing noises, we're going with the less 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:49.460 AI smoothing of voices. And you'll hear cicadas, 00:27:49.779 --> 00:27:53.539 geckos, dogs barking. People screaming. Yeah. 00:27:53.559 --> 00:27:56.160 And they're white water rafters. Just down from 00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:57.619 us. About 50 metres down from us. There's a rapid. 00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:00.420 There's a river. Yes. So that's what you're hearing. 00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:04.339 And should we mention again the retreat that 00:28:04.339 --> 00:28:06.940 we're holding here next year? Sure. Yes, okay. 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:08.960 We don't know what it's called. We don't know 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:10.420 what it's called yet. We will come up with a 00:28:10.420 --> 00:28:13.019 fancy title, but it won't be one of those overused 00:28:13.019 --> 00:28:15.640 titles. But essentially, we're going to be teaching 00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:17.299 two things. We're going to be teaching confidence 00:28:17.299 --> 00:28:22.900 and anti -fragility. So we're going to be deep 00:28:22.900 --> 00:28:25.380 diving into... the concept of true confidence 00:28:25.380 --> 00:28:28.000 as opposed to contextual confidence contextual 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:29.900 confidence is the confidence you have when you 00:28:29.900 --> 00:28:32.039 have skills knowledge or experience in a particular 00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:35.039 area or a particular context yes but true confidence 00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:38.140 is applicable everywhere and my book is almost 00:28:38.140 --> 00:28:41.299 complete and it has the formula on how to how 00:28:41.299 --> 00:28:43.579 to achieve true confidence get to that point 00:28:43.579 --> 00:28:47.200 where um you know I don't want to give away the 00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:49.099 formula here in the podcast. You don't need to. 00:28:49.099 --> 00:28:52.119 Yeah, because it's not completed quite yet. And 00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:54.880 then anti -fragility, the thing that we spend 00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:55.740 a long time teaching. Better than resilience. 00:28:55.740 --> 00:28:57.579 It's better than resilience. Resilience, you 00:28:57.579 --> 00:29:00.279 just bounce back. But anti -fragility, you come 00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.599 back stronger. Yeah. So we're going to be spending 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:06.519 a week over here next year. So we're not quite 00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:09.079 sure on the length of the workshop, probably 00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:12.099 three or four days. But anyway, we will send 00:29:12.099 --> 00:29:15.599 out information as it comes. All right, our sponsors, 00:29:15.859 --> 00:29:20.460 Lindt, who have bows and who's the third one? 00:29:21.420 --> 00:29:24.319 Bollinger. Bollinger, yeah. Where are you? We're 00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:26.920 still waiting. Hayes Chocolate might be getting 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:29.460 a run. We might be mentioning Hayes Chocolate 00:29:29.460 --> 00:29:31.420 if Lindt doesn't reach out to us soon. Have a 00:29:31.420 --> 00:29:34.319 great day, everyone. Bye. Bye. Well, that was 00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:38.539 fun. That was fun. You're such a clown. The clown. 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:42.269 Lady Captain. There we go. And who's going to 00:29:42.269 --> 00:29:44.849 listen to this? Maybe our mums. Thanks, Mum.