WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.099 G'day leaders. Welcome to season two of Captain 00:00:04.099 --> 00:00:08.220 and the Clown. We took a hiatus so that we could 00:00:08.220 --> 00:00:09.839 concentrate on Michelle's book, which is now 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:12.060 released, and we talk about it in this podcast. 00:00:12.179 --> 00:00:15.240 We also talk about an upcoming workshop that 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.199 we're going to be running in Bali next year on 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:20.460 confidence and anti -fragility. But in the meantime, 00:00:20.539 --> 00:00:23.679 we talk about the lessons from writing Michelle's 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:26.179 book or the lessons on getting Michelle's book 00:00:26.179 --> 00:00:29.820 published as well and why one bite at a time 00:00:29.820 --> 00:00:34.520 is the way you achieve anything. Enjoy. Why did 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:39.039 it count backwards? We're now recording. What? 00:00:39.659 --> 00:00:47.270 Hello, Captain. Come fly with me, let's fly, 00:00:47.409 --> 00:00:52.670 let's fly. What are we going to talk about? I 00:00:52.670 --> 00:00:56.310 don't know. Leadership, life and everything else. 00:00:56.590 --> 00:01:04.010 Yeah. And we're live, finally. We are. It's about 00:01:04.010 --> 00:01:05.790 time. It's been a while. It's been a minute. 00:01:05.870 --> 00:01:09.140 You didn't say we're not live. We're live right 00:01:09.140 --> 00:01:11.959 now. We are live right now. And in Bali. Yes. 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:14.579 I know. Life's tough, hey? It is tough. Who would? 00:01:14.980 --> 00:01:19.739 Over here. We found the destination for our workshop, 00:01:19.859 --> 00:01:22.120 which we'll be running next year. No one knows 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:23.739 about the workshop yet. I know. Well, let's tell 00:01:23.739 --> 00:01:27.239 them now. Okay. Okay. So next year as... Because 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:31.319 my book will be closer to publication. It's on 00:01:31.319 --> 00:01:34.219 confidence. Yes. Taking the con out of confidence. 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:38.239 Still working on the title. So true confidence 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:41.239 is the current title. And we're also going to 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:43.000 be teaching anti -fragility in that workshop. 00:01:43.219 --> 00:01:45.500 And confidence, yeah. Confidence and anti -fragility. 00:01:45.579 --> 00:01:47.920 Three and a half days we've worked out so far, 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:50.400 haven't we? Yes. So we've got the content sorted 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:52.280 for three and a half days, but we might be extending 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:55.370 or shortening depending on. how long people think 00:01:55.370 --> 00:01:59.609 they can come over here and learn. Yeah. What 00:01:59.609 --> 00:02:03.109 a place to do it. Yes. But this podcast is about 00:02:03.109 --> 00:02:06.870 your book. Lady MacGyver. Lady MacGyver. Yes. 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:12.280 So bestseller on which list on Amazon? Aviation 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:14.580 Engineers. Aviation Engineers. How exciting is 00:02:14.580 --> 00:02:18.479 that? Thanks, people. I love you. And then bestseller 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:21.460 at WHS at the bookstore at the airport as well. 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:23.740 Yes, it was on the bestseller stand. I was very 00:02:23.740 --> 00:02:27.340 excited. I met the book buyer there and she was 00:02:27.340 --> 00:02:30.240 saying, yes, it's been a bestseller. So very 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:33.819 excited. It's very exciting. So, okay, we're 00:02:33.819 --> 00:02:35.539 finally recording again. So we're going to call 00:02:35.539 --> 00:02:37.530 this season two of Captain America. and the Clown 00:02:37.530 --> 00:02:39.949 podcast. I think so. Yeah, because we had a lot 00:02:39.949 --> 00:02:42.349 going on, so we put a pause to the recordings. 00:02:43.090 --> 00:02:46.159 We were experimenting with video, but... Most 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:48.539 of our listeners listen to us in audio and they 00:02:48.539 --> 00:02:50.979 don't really want to see us. I know. I think 00:02:50.979 --> 00:02:53.240 that's probably, if we're being honest, the real 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:55.500 reason why we haven't recorded for so long is 00:02:55.500 --> 00:02:58.939 that pressure for video. Yeah, we're getting 00:02:58.939 --> 00:03:00.780 a lot of people coming to us saying, oh, you've 00:03:00.780 --> 00:03:02.340 got to have video so you can promote it on social 00:03:02.340 --> 00:03:06.639 media. But we're more of a slow burn with regards 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:10.060 to our promotion. If people find us and start 00:03:10.060 --> 00:03:11.780 listening, that's great. But we don't want to 00:03:11.780 --> 00:03:14.740 go down the path of diary of a CEO where we're 00:03:14.740 --> 00:03:16.340 putting things. on social media every day to 00:03:16.340 --> 00:03:20.659 drive listening. No, no. Maybe one day. One day, 00:03:20.659 --> 00:03:23.979 one day. Yeah, we just enjoy sharing the knowledge. 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:27.759 Yes, that's right. So this episode is going to 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:30.960 be about your journey with your book, but what 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:33.520 people can learn, what we learned during that 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:36.199 journey because it was a two -year journey. Yes, 00:03:36.219 --> 00:03:40.280 just over two years for Lady MacGyver. And I've 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:42.759 been writing books for years and one of the things, 00:03:42.819 --> 00:03:44.199 I think we may have spoken about this on another 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:48.159 podcast, but I saw it as a big thing. And when 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:50.659 you see things as big, you tend to put them off. 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:52.639 Yes. You put them off because your brain thinks, 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:54.719 ah, that's daunting. It's overwhelming. It's 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:56.659 going to take too much of my energy. Which is 00:03:56.659 --> 00:03:59.659 what a large percentage of procrastination is 00:03:59.659 --> 00:04:02.240 all about. You put off things that your body 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:04.900 thinks would take too much of your precious energy. 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:07.719 It's too hard. It's too hard as well. So you 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:10.610 fear failure. Yes. I used to be of the belief 00:04:10.610 --> 00:04:14.110 I was an ideas person. Yeah. Came out with all 00:04:14.110 --> 00:04:16.850 the ideas. I met lots of ideas persons where 00:04:16.850 --> 00:04:18.550 they go, oh, I've got all these great ideas, 00:04:18.670 --> 00:04:21.470 but yes, I'm not the execution. I'm not the person 00:04:21.470 --> 00:04:23.990 who executes, but they're basically procrastinating 00:04:23.990 --> 00:04:27.129 because they have these big ideas, but they don't 00:04:27.129 --> 00:04:31.410 then turn it into. And the way you do that is 00:04:31.410 --> 00:04:34.009 by doing what? Small, like doing small actions. 00:04:34.149 --> 00:04:36.110 Small actions, breaking things down. Yeah, so 00:04:36.110 --> 00:04:39.149 with your book, we, every morning, we set out 00:04:39.149 --> 00:04:42.959 the front of the office with a coffee. Yes. You 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:46.120 told a story. I recorded it. We transcribed it. 00:04:46.180 --> 00:04:49.720 You then put aviation terms around it and made 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:51.620 it more accurate. Corrected it, yeah. Took out 00:04:51.620 --> 00:04:54.399 my ums and ahs. Yeah, well, they weren't in the 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:56.500 written version. No. There was a few of them 00:04:56.500 --> 00:04:59.819 in the audio version. And then, yeah, slowly 00:04:59.819 --> 00:05:03.000 by slowly, your book emerged. It did. And it 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:06.839 was actually, I really enjoyed the process. Yes, 00:05:06.899 --> 00:05:08.980 it's lovely to have a book, holding a book at 00:05:08.980 --> 00:05:13.040 the end, but I will treasure it. of that process. 00:05:13.180 --> 00:05:16.500 It was just being able to, yeah, have a coffee 00:05:16.500 --> 00:05:20.060 out the front. Tell a story. Tell a story to 00:05:20.060 --> 00:05:22.800 you conversationally. Yeah. Whilst it's being 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:27.060 recorded and then, yeah, then get into the editing 00:05:27.060 --> 00:05:29.220 part. I think that was the beauty of it, listening 00:05:29.220 --> 00:05:32.959 to them in conversational style and then. having 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:38.139 them transcribed into a chapter. So it's already 00:05:38.139 --> 00:05:40.519 written as a story. So each individual chapter 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:42.800 in your book is a story, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. 00:05:42.899 --> 00:05:47.259 So actually I got a compliment from one of the 00:05:47.259 --> 00:05:50.160 flight crew, or the captain on board our flight 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:55.439 over on Monday night. And he had a read of it 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:57.879 and he said he actually enjoyed the fact that 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:00.959 they were like... snack bite -sized stories, 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:04.279 and he was flicking around. He said, I could 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:08.660 see that it was obviously chronological, but 00:06:08.660 --> 00:06:11.980 he flipped straight to the Virgin Captain section 00:06:11.980 --> 00:06:14.519 straight away. Yeah, because he was one of your 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:16.620 fellow Virgin Captains. Yes, we used to fly together. 00:06:16.980 --> 00:06:21.160 And then he said, you know, he started flicking 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:24.139 around, and whichever one kind of tickled his 00:06:24.139 --> 00:06:27.699 fancy, the title, he had a look at that. So he's 00:06:27.699 --> 00:06:29.990 now here. has a copy and he's he's going to he 00:06:29.990 --> 00:06:32.009 said he's you know going to read it from cover 00:06:32.009 --> 00:06:34.550 to cover yeah and we've had so much wonderful 00:06:34.550 --> 00:06:37.769 feedback about your book lady macgyver um out 00:06:37.769 --> 00:06:40.509 now in all good bookstores and um that's right 00:06:40.509 --> 00:06:44.870 the feedback has been that people go on an emotional 00:06:44.870 --> 00:06:47.290 journey with it. And that's one of the best things 00:06:47.290 --> 00:06:49.990 I like hearing about it is that people have cried, 00:06:50.089 --> 00:06:52.189 they've laughed, they've got angry, they've got 00:06:52.189 --> 00:06:57.410 sad. It's been inspired. Yeah, I've learned. 00:06:57.829 --> 00:07:00.829 And I love hearing that because obviously I know 00:07:00.829 --> 00:07:02.569 the book very, very well, having been on the 00:07:02.569 --> 00:07:06.029 journey with you. It is inspiring to listen to 00:07:06.029 --> 00:07:07.990 your stories, Michelle, and I know you're quite 00:07:07.990 --> 00:07:09.850 humble and we haven't shared many of your stories 00:07:09.850 --> 00:07:12.360 on this podcast. But I think we should start. 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:15.199 I think we should start. Maybe we can release 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:19.459 one little story today. We could. This is impromptu. 00:07:19.579 --> 00:07:21.399 Yeah, it is impromptu. But let's go back to what 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:23.339 we wanted to be talking about, so breaking things 00:07:23.339 --> 00:07:27.199 down. So is there anything else that you've achieved 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:30.379 in your life where you would consider the fact 00:07:30.379 --> 00:07:32.000 that it was originally daunting because it was 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:33.740 big, but you broke it down into small chunks 00:07:33.740 --> 00:07:36.680 and as a result you achieved something? Hmm. 00:07:37.660 --> 00:07:39.680 I can give you my story. I think I've already 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:41.160 told this story on this podcast, but I'll do 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:43.899 it again. I don't care. This is for the people 00:07:43.899 --> 00:07:45.420 who haven't heard the story. I bought a house 00:07:45.420 --> 00:07:48.040 in Sydney many years ago and the people who had 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:51.889 sold it to me had renovated it to sell. Renovating 00:07:51.889 --> 00:07:53.550 it to sell is different to renovating it to live 00:07:53.550 --> 00:07:57.009 in. I bought one of those. Yeah, so we had plugs 00:07:57.009 --> 00:07:59.790 in the wall that had no wiring behind them, ethernet 00:07:59.790 --> 00:08:02.110 plugs. We had a bathroom with no waterproofing. 00:08:02.310 --> 00:08:05.029 And then the front deck, the porch on the front 00:08:05.029 --> 00:08:06.970 of the house, it's only a small one, instead 00:08:06.970 --> 00:08:09.129 of ripping up the old deck, they just put new 00:08:09.129 --> 00:08:11.769 wood on top of old wood and it was rotting. Yeah. 00:08:13.500 --> 00:08:15.860 I think this was the first winter in that house. 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:19.500 And I came home and noticed that there was mushrooms 00:08:19.500 --> 00:08:25.220 growing in between the boards. And so I noticed 00:08:25.220 --> 00:08:28.139 and then I took a closer look and that obviously 00:08:28.139 --> 00:08:30.540 just put new wood on top of old wood. So there 00:08:30.540 --> 00:08:33.419 was no air coming, no drainage for any water. 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:36.000 And I went in the house and wrote on my big list 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:37.759 of things to fix around this fully renovated 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:40.480 house was build a deck. And every time I looked 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:43.340 at it, it stressed me because... As you know 00:08:43.340 --> 00:08:46.019 now, I'm useless, Michelle. I'm not like you. 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:49.019 You're not useless. Well, I consider myself useless. 00:08:49.059 --> 00:08:51.759 I couldn't build anything. And you're the polymath 00:08:51.759 --> 00:08:55.659 in this relationship. You can do anything. Ladies 00:08:55.659 --> 00:08:58.899 and gentlemen, she can weld. She can paint. Yeah, 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:00.480 she's got all the skills. But I didn't have any. 00:09:00.539 --> 00:09:02.460 So I'm looking at this list of things to fix 00:09:02.460 --> 00:09:04.820 around the house. And we couldn't find the builder. 00:09:04.860 --> 00:09:08.529 Couldn't find the owner. It was really stressing 00:09:08.529 --> 00:09:10.830 me. But then I teach this stuff. So I came home 00:09:10.830 --> 00:09:14.210 one day and took that big list of things to fix 00:09:14.210 --> 00:09:17.269 around the house off the wall. Oh, we've got 00:09:17.269 --> 00:09:21.529 someone next door. And that happens when you're 00:09:21.529 --> 00:09:24.629 in a beautiful resort in Ubud, Bali. Yes. Anyway, 00:09:24.710 --> 00:09:26.789 so I took this list off the wall and instead 00:09:26.789 --> 00:09:30.289 of it being build a deck, which is a big, daunting, 00:09:30.409 --> 00:09:33.519 scary task, I... broke it down into a project 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:36.740 plan. And the first step was watch YouTube, learn 00:09:36.740 --> 00:09:40.200 how to build a deck. The second step was probably 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:45.759 the most fruitful. Call a friend and ask him 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:49.620 to come over from Adelaide and help. One who's 00:09:49.620 --> 00:09:51.980 also a polymath. Yeah, he's a polymath. He can 00:09:51.980 --> 00:09:55.429 do anything. And then, you know, measure up the 00:09:55.429 --> 00:09:58.950 deck, order the wood, cut the bearers, cut the 00:09:58.950 --> 00:10:00.769 joists. And, you know, six weeks later, there's 00:10:00.769 --> 00:10:01.470 a deck on the front of the house. Like a checklist. 00:10:01.690 --> 00:10:04.269 It's a checklist. But if it's a big thing, build 00:10:04.269 --> 00:10:06.490 a deck. It's daunting. It's scary. But if it's 00:10:06.490 --> 00:10:08.870 lots of little things, little things are easy, 00:10:09.009 --> 00:10:12.049 which is, I guess, the journey you went on with 00:10:12.049 --> 00:10:16.110 your book. Yeah, absolutely. And I thought writing 00:10:16.110 --> 00:10:19.639 the book would be the hardest part of it. It 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:24.600 hasn't been. And I learned so much in myself 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:28.980 because even when I was – I thought I was finished 00:10:28.980 --> 00:10:32.500 at the fully edited version of the book. I was 00:10:32.500 --> 00:10:36.019 very fortunate. I had it edited by your niece, 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:40.600 Talia, who has a – what's her qualification? 00:10:40.860 --> 00:10:41.559 She's amazing. She's got a degree in literature. 00:10:41.940 --> 00:10:46.960 Yes. And then – Sarah Newton -John, Olivia Newton 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:51.700 -John's sister, she edited the book and I thought 00:10:51.700 --> 00:10:55.659 it was all ready to go. But on me, and I own 00:10:55.659 --> 00:11:00.059 this, is that I had trusted and hadn't actually 00:11:00.059 --> 00:11:03.200 read over properly the edited version after it 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:07.159 came back from the editor. And I skimmed, I skimmed. 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:13.399 And only when I was narrating my book for the 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:17.700 audio version, And did I notice that some things 00:11:17.700 --> 00:11:22.559 didn't make sense? Like planes being flown without 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:25.519 a pilot? Well, no, it just aviation terms had 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:30.120 been changed and the language I had used had 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:34.019 been changed without an aviation background understanding. 00:11:34.340 --> 00:11:36.820 And I hadn't picked it up until I was reading 00:11:36.820 --> 00:11:40.139 it word for word. So that was a lesson for me. 00:11:41.580 --> 00:11:46.320 And I was very fortunate that the lady who was 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:51.720 her audio company, she let me. as I was like, 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:54.200 oh, this doesn't make sense. I need to rewrite 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:57.360 these bits. And that was still before the release 00:11:57.360 --> 00:11:59.240 of the fully edited book. Absolutely, yeah, before 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:02.679 the book. So I was then able to. So it was fortuitous 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:05.899 that you recorded the audio version before releasing. 00:12:06.259 --> 00:12:09.779 Absolutely, absolutely. So, yeah, and I do take 00:12:09.779 --> 00:12:12.840 that as a lesson on me not to be lazy and to, 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:15.240 you know, assume, what do they say, make an ass 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:20.750 of me and you. Then once that, you know, there's 00:12:20.750 --> 00:12:24.110 the cover design and I had to release the grip 00:12:24.110 --> 00:12:27.690 a little on that as well because, yes, I've done 00:12:27.690 --> 00:12:30.429 art and design. Oh, you're an incredibly talented 00:12:30.429 --> 00:12:32.450 artist. I know what I like, but, you know, when 00:12:32.450 --> 00:12:35.649 it comes to, I also need to trust professionals. 00:12:36.190 --> 00:12:39.730 Then, yeah, the whole releasing it to the publisher 00:12:39.730 --> 00:12:44.889 and getting them to do it, it has been a big 00:12:44.889 --> 00:12:48.929 lesson. Yeah. One that. Well, it was also your 00:12:48.929 --> 00:12:52.870 first time writing and publishing a book. Absolutely. 00:12:52.970 --> 00:12:55.870 And next time, I'd like to say it will be so 00:12:55.870 --> 00:12:58.809 much different. Well, it will. It will because 00:12:58.809 --> 00:13:01.129 the second time you do anything is with more 00:13:01.129 --> 00:13:03.230 knowledge. That's how you get good at anything. 00:13:06.269 --> 00:13:08.809 Breaking big things down into small things makes 00:13:08.809 --> 00:13:10.809 them easier. And if you look at all the little 00:13:10.809 --> 00:13:15.230 steps being easy, you realize that nothing... 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:20.379 Everything that we typically say is hard is actually 00:13:20.379 --> 00:13:23.419 not hard. It's easy. It's just easier not to 00:13:23.419 --> 00:13:25.139 do it. Yeah. And the reason why you don't do 00:13:25.139 --> 00:13:26.700 it is because you think it's big and you think 00:13:26.700 --> 00:13:28.120 it's hard, but that's because you're looking 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:31.230 at it. as its entirety rather than its component 00:13:31.230 --> 00:13:33.330 parts. That's right. I like how you say that, 00:13:33.389 --> 00:13:36.970 easy or easier, not easy and hard. Yeah, we've 00:13:36.970 --> 00:13:39.490 got to reserve hard for hard things like climbing 00:13:39.490 --> 00:13:41.629 Mount Everest. Yeah, going to the gym isn't hard. 00:13:41.809 --> 00:13:44.149 It's easy to go to the gym, but it's just easier 00:13:44.149 --> 00:13:47.629 not to go to the gym. Yes, yeah. So a lot of 00:13:47.629 --> 00:13:51.330 people in our industry, the professional development 00:13:51.330 --> 00:13:54.570 industry, have said, well, me growing up listening 00:13:54.570 --> 00:13:58.539 to all the experts. say that breaking habits 00:13:58.539 --> 00:14:03.039 is hard. No. And I vehemently, is that the right 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:05.799 word? Vehemently. Vehemently. It's spelled vehemently. 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:08.139 I prefer your pronunciation because I know it's 00:14:08.139 --> 00:14:12.730 correct. Vehemently. disagree with with breaking 00:14:12.730 --> 00:14:15.490 habits is hard it's not hard it's easy it's just 00:14:15.490 --> 00:14:18.870 easier not to if we say that it's hard we're 00:14:18.870 --> 00:14:21.470 actually making it difficult for our brains because 00:14:21.470 --> 00:14:23.809 when we when we label something as hard our brain 00:14:23.809 --> 00:14:25.610 now needs to make it hard for for that to be 00:14:25.610 --> 00:14:27.730 correct our subconscious mind is listening to 00:14:27.730 --> 00:14:30.750 every instruction we give it without questioning 00:14:30.750 --> 00:14:33.169 the validity the accuracy or the helpfulness 00:14:33.169 --> 00:14:35.830 of the program that we we personally put into 00:14:35.830 --> 00:14:38.690 it so if we say something is hard so that we 00:14:38.690 --> 00:14:40.909 can be correct our brain will now Now make it 00:14:40.909 --> 00:14:43.830 hard. Yeah. Yeah. And look for all of the aspects 00:14:43.830 --> 00:14:47.529 of it that seem hard rather than looking for 00:14:47.529 --> 00:14:49.549 all of the aspects of it that seem easy. And 00:14:49.549 --> 00:14:52.929 if you label it as hard and big, your brain doesn't 00:14:52.929 --> 00:14:54.429 want to then break it down into small chunks. 00:14:54.470 --> 00:14:58.009 It has to leave it as a whole thing to justify 00:14:58.009 --> 00:15:01.370 why you called it hard in the first place. So 00:15:01.370 --> 00:15:04.850 big things become easy when you break them down 00:15:04.850 --> 00:15:07.730 into small things. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what did 00:15:07.730 --> 00:15:09.970 Lao Tzu say about the longest journey? It begins 00:15:09.970 --> 00:15:13.549 with? A step. A single step. Yes. Yes. How do 00:15:13.549 --> 00:15:15.649 you eat an elephant, Michelle? One bite at a 00:15:15.649 --> 00:15:19.090 time. You don't eat elephants. You start at the 00:15:19.090 --> 00:15:20.649 toenails. You start at the toenails. No, you 00:15:20.649 --> 00:15:26.250 don't eat elephants. But yeah, big things become 00:15:26.250 --> 00:15:28.809 easy when you make them into small things. Yeah. 00:15:28.830 --> 00:15:31.190 What else did we learn going through? I guess 00:15:31.190 --> 00:15:33.700 patience was something else we learned. Oh, absolutely, 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.039 because it doesn't happen on my time. It was 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:40.080 a little bit of a lesson as well that, as you 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:42.899 say, impatience, because, yes, the publisher 00:15:42.899 --> 00:15:45.559 has many book projects happening, not just mine. 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:49.720 Yes. So hurry up and wait. We need to let things 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:52.759 unfold. So work hard. I think the lesson was 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:56.639 work hard, do your bit, but things will unfold 00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:00.879 around you. Yeah, we had a saying. in aviation 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.139 is hurry up and wait. So you'd get prepared and 00:16:03.139 --> 00:16:05.899 then you'd wait. I like that. I like that. So 00:16:05.899 --> 00:16:08.639 hurry up and wait. So get prepared, do your bit, 00:16:08.820 --> 00:16:13.440 do what needs to be done and then wait. You're 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:15.720 ready. Yeah, you're ready and be patient with 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.980 those around you. But the fact that you're ready 00:16:18.980 --> 00:16:20.799 will also put pressure on those around you, I 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:22.480 guess. Well, not necessarily. Not necessarily. 00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:26.700 If you say, I've done my bit, have you done yours? 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:29.929 No. No. Okay. Quite often they're not even there. 00:16:30.110 --> 00:16:31.610 Well, I think we should talk a little bit more 00:16:31.610 --> 00:16:34.450 about this retreat or what are we going to call 00:16:34.450 --> 00:16:36.830 it? A workshop? Retreat? Workshop? Yeah. It's 00:16:36.830 --> 00:16:39.470 not a retreat. A reset? Reset. A reset. Yeah. 00:16:39.789 --> 00:16:43.090 So it's going to be targeted at leaders, but 00:16:43.090 --> 00:16:45.610 really anyone can attend because... Everyone's 00:16:45.610 --> 00:16:48.269 a leader. Anyone who's an older sibling who is 00:16:48.269 --> 00:16:51.649 a parent is a... Yeah. Who has someone in their 00:16:51.649 --> 00:16:55.000 charge or, you know... They are a leader. Well, 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:57.299 they set an example for others. But we're really 00:16:57.299 --> 00:17:02.559 targeting at people who want to learn the difference 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:06.180 between what I call contextual confidence and 00:17:06.180 --> 00:17:09.660 true confidence. So the book that I'm writing 00:17:09.660 --> 00:17:14.920 and releasing hopefully next year is about, I 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:17.220 think I'm calling it true confidence. I think 00:17:17.220 --> 00:17:19.980 that's the title I've landed on. So I've noticed 00:17:19.980 --> 00:17:23.200 that most people. develop what's called contextual 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:25.200 confidence. So contextual confidence is when 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:26.680 you're good at something, you know something. 00:17:26.779 --> 00:17:28.200 So you've got skills, knowledge or experience 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:30.980 in a particular area and that makes you confident 00:17:30.980 --> 00:17:33.519 in that area. Yes, like juggling. Like juggling, 00:17:33.619 --> 00:17:35.759 yes. I'm confident I can pick up three things 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:37.480 and juggle them. That doesn't make me a confident 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:40.099 person. That makes me a confident juggler. Whereas 00:17:40.099 --> 00:17:44.039 I am confident that I am not good at juggling. 00:17:44.619 --> 00:17:46.420 Which is another form of confidence. Correct. 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:50.339 Confident in what you know you can't do. Contextual 00:17:50.339 --> 00:17:52.720 confidence was something that I worked hard to 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:55.380 get, but it didn't make me a confident human 00:17:55.380 --> 00:17:58.299 being. And so the book is going to be very much 00:17:58.299 --> 00:18:00.279 around the difference between contextual and 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:03.539 true confidence. So I've got this formula that 00:18:03.539 --> 00:18:06.039 I finally put together, and it's all making sense 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:08.119 in my brain now. I've been working on this for 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:11.740 many, many years. So that's going to be... One 00:18:11.740 --> 00:18:15.700 of the components of this. Reset. Reset. Reset 00:18:15.700 --> 00:18:18.240 retreat. Reset retreat, reset workshop. And then 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:20.839 the other one is going to be anti -fragility. 00:18:20.900 --> 00:18:23.079 Yeah. Which is a topic that we spend a lot of 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:27.859 time training and speaking on. Yes. So we've 00:18:27.859 --> 00:18:30.700 spoken about anti -fragility in our podcast before. 00:18:30.740 --> 00:18:33.839 We have, yeah. And so it's just that it's a lot 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:39.000 of it is reframing the fact that, you know. We're 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:43.519 humans and life is meant to be, not meant to 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:47.200 be, what a silly statement that is. Life has 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:50.259 moments where they're challenging. Yeah, setbacks. 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:54.619 It has challenges. And that is life. Even being 00:18:54.619 --> 00:19:00.519 born is a challenge. It's what makes us stronger, 00:19:00.619 --> 00:19:03.019 what makes us keep going. I'll do a quick side 00:19:03.019 --> 00:19:05.619 note here. Go for it. So the Vedic and Buddhist 00:19:05.619 --> 00:19:09.779 descriptions of self, and I think this is from 00:19:09.779 --> 00:19:12.960 Vedic teachings, is that self is the source of 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:17.299 all suffering. Yes. Yes. Correct. We put ourselves 00:19:17.299 --> 00:19:20.500 through it, don't we? Yeah. And they talk about 00:19:20.500 --> 00:19:23.960 it being attachment. But in our teachings, we 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:25.920 talk about it's not attachment, it's expectations. 00:19:26.380 --> 00:19:29.579 Yeah. Yeah. Expectations not being met. Oh, that's 00:19:29.579 --> 00:19:32.220 one of them anyway. So the anti -fragility part 00:19:32.220 --> 00:19:36.259 of it is about helping people not just build 00:19:36.259 --> 00:19:39.940 resilience and coping with modern day stress, 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:45.579 but it's going beyond. It's whereby every adversity 00:19:45.579 --> 00:19:47.579 is an opportunity to grow. You come back stronger. 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:50.579 And that's not just personally. It's also in 00:19:50.579 --> 00:19:55.130 business. It's in... all aspects of human yeah 00:19:55.130 --> 00:19:59.269 so so we we show you techniques to identify it 00:19:59.269 --> 00:20:03.950 how to re rewire rewrite and then use it as your 00:20:03.950 --> 00:20:07.589 superpowers your strength and and just the innovation 00:20:07.589 --> 00:20:12.009 and and change of thinking um we've seen some 00:20:12.009 --> 00:20:15.240 amazing I'm going to say transformation. It's 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:18.099 probably the wrong word. It's a bit cliched now, 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:23.160 isn't it? Yeah. A full transformation. Yeah. 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:27.720 And I want to talk about a client I'm currently 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:29.779 coaching. I think I've told you this story, but 00:20:29.779 --> 00:20:34.400 I'll tell our listeners. So he's a very successful 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:39.440 businessman. He grew up in South Africa and he 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:42.859 came to Australia. He's the owner of a very successful 00:20:42.859 --> 00:20:46.940 business. He has a great relationship. He has 00:20:46.940 --> 00:20:49.880 a beautiful property with horses and he's got 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:53.940 everything he wants. So growing up, he had an 00:20:53.940 --> 00:20:56.440 idea of what he wanted to achieve and what he 00:20:56.440 --> 00:20:59.000 wanted out of his life. And he's achieved those 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:01.900 things. And I was coaching him the other day 00:21:01.900 --> 00:21:06.359 and he said, look, my family back home are in 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:11.900 constant real danger. Yeah. But they're not stressed 00:21:11.900 --> 00:21:15.079 like I am. I'm more stressed than them. Can you 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:17.440 help me understand that? And I said, absolutely, 00:21:17.619 --> 00:21:22.119 I can. So modern humans are more stressed than 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:25.000 our ancestors. And the reason why we're more 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:28.460 stressed than our ancestors is because their 00:21:28.460 --> 00:21:32.920 danger went away. So if you're being chased by 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:35.240 a lion or a tiger, you escape that lion or tiger, 00:21:35.500 --> 00:21:38.259 the danger's gone. Yes. You obviously have to 00:21:38.259 --> 00:21:39.799 be wary. It comes and then it goes. It comes 00:21:39.799 --> 00:21:43.140 and then it goes. Or you're hungry and you find 00:21:43.140 --> 00:21:47.940 food, you eat. Yes. So the stresses of our ancestors 00:21:47.940 --> 00:21:52.880 were real. Yes. Real danger, real physical danger, 00:21:53.059 --> 00:21:56.750 survival. But once the danger went away, you 00:21:56.750 --> 00:21:58.990 no longer needed to stress about it. It too shall 00:21:58.990 --> 00:22:01.730 pass. It too shall pass. And it did in the past. 00:22:02.230 --> 00:22:05.309 Modern stressors. So everyone is stressed. Everyone 00:22:05.309 --> 00:22:07.390 talks about being stressed. Everyone's busy. 00:22:07.890 --> 00:22:11.390 And we constantly hear the same messaging in 00:22:11.390 --> 00:22:13.250 all of our corporate clients. Everyone's saying, 00:22:13.329 --> 00:22:17.049 I'm busy, I'm stressed. And you think about it, 00:22:17.089 --> 00:22:20.680 we live in the best era. of humanity. We are 00:22:20.680 --> 00:22:24.980 safer. We have more food, shelter. We've got 00:22:24.980 --> 00:22:27.279 everything we need. But the difference between 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:31.900 our ancestors and us and my client and his family, 00:22:32.019 --> 00:22:35.660 his family's danger goes away. As soon as they 00:22:35.660 --> 00:22:36.839 close the door. As soon as they lock their door. 00:22:37.059 --> 00:22:39.619 Yeah. But his doesn't leave him ever because 00:22:39.619 --> 00:22:43.740 the modern stressor is not physical danger. It's 00:22:43.740 --> 00:22:46.839 emotional danger. And so you've got to speak 00:22:46.839 --> 00:22:49.509 to that. employee tomorrow you've got to have 00:22:49.509 --> 00:22:52.470 that challenging conversation with your customer 00:22:52.470 --> 00:22:55.250 next week you've got a performance review performance 00:22:55.250 --> 00:22:59.910 review you've got to pay that bill so these things 00:22:59.910 --> 00:23:02.190 aren't physical dangers they're emotional dangers 00:23:02.190 --> 00:23:06.690 and they never go away because You go home at 00:23:06.690 --> 00:23:08.470 the end of the day and your brain will keep reminding 00:23:08.470 --> 00:23:10.049 you, don't forget about that conversation tomorrow, 00:23:10.109 --> 00:23:11.349 don't forget about that invoice you've got to 00:23:11.349 --> 00:23:14.730 pay. It never leaves us. And it's because... 00:23:14.730 --> 00:23:16.769 We even set reminders. Yeah, we set reminders 00:23:16.769 --> 00:23:19.829 for them. In case we do do it. If we put them 00:23:19.829 --> 00:23:21.950 on a to -do list, that to -do list keeps whacking 00:23:21.950 --> 00:23:24.390 us on the top of our head when we're at home 00:23:24.390 --> 00:23:26.750 and we should be with our loved ones. And then 00:23:26.750 --> 00:23:27.890 all of a sudden your brain's going, don't forget 00:23:27.890 --> 00:23:29.650 about that thing you do tomorrow at nine o 'clock. 00:23:29.849 --> 00:23:32.230 And the reason why that's doing it, there's actually 00:23:32.230 --> 00:23:34.029 something we teach in the time management course 00:23:34.029 --> 00:23:36.309 around this, but it's because that's the danger. 00:23:36.390 --> 00:23:38.250 That's the modern day danger and it doesn't go 00:23:38.250 --> 00:23:40.559 away. It's always there. It's always in the background 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:43.960 of our head. And so next year when we run this 00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:46.660 retreat over here in beautiful Bali in this gorgeous 00:23:46.660 --> 00:23:49.960 resort up in Ubud. The most amazing conference 00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:52.500 room. It's a beautiful space here. Yeah, yeah. 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:56.059 So we're going to help people learn how to move 00:23:56.059 --> 00:23:58.759 away from just having contextual confidence, 00:23:58.859 --> 00:24:01.680 the confidence that we get by being good at things 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:03.880 and having knowledge and skills, et cetera, moving 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:05.859 towards true confidence. And we're also going 00:24:05.859 --> 00:24:09.140 to help them achieve anti -fragility. Anti -fragile 00:24:09.140 --> 00:24:11.420 thinking. Anti -fragile thinking where we can 00:24:11.420 --> 00:24:16.160 move beyond modern day stress. And help your 00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:19.579 employees, help your team also move beyond that. 00:24:19.700 --> 00:24:23.009 So there's, you know, we all know. The victims, 00:24:23.170 --> 00:24:27.430 which, you know, everyone's adversity is real 00:24:27.430 --> 00:24:30.789 to them, whatever it is. And your adversity, 00:24:30.829 --> 00:24:34.009 I may disregard as not something to be worried 00:24:34.009 --> 00:24:38.329 about for me and vice versa. But having the ability 00:24:38.329 --> 00:24:45.809 to help others move from that in a positive way, 00:24:45.869 --> 00:24:48.779 not only for themselves, but... in business for 00:24:48.779 --> 00:24:52.180 the team, for the company, for their own well 00:24:52.180 --> 00:24:57.740 -being. That's a really important gift. Yes, 00:24:57.740 --> 00:25:00.440 yes. So, yeah, I'm looking forward to running 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:03.339 that workshop, especially letting people know. 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:06.700 The first people know what's in my book. I'm 00:25:06.700 --> 00:25:08.380 really looking forward to it. Yeah, yes, yes. 00:25:08.579 --> 00:25:12.079 They'll get a copy. And if it's out, they'll 00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:13.220 get a copy of Lady MacGyver. I'll give them an 00:25:13.220 --> 00:25:15.599 advanced reader copy just like you did with your 00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:17.799 book. Oh, yeah, yes, yes. And ARC. We now know 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:20.140 what ARC stands for. Yes, all the acronyms. Advanced 00:25:20.140 --> 00:25:22.740 reader copy. Not yet published, but here's what 00:25:22.740 --> 00:25:24.920 it's going to look like. Yeah. Before it's fully 00:25:24.920 --> 00:25:32.559 edited and released. Hmm. Okay, so let's summarize. 00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:36.839 Break things down. Okay, yes, so things aren't 00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:39.480 hard. They're easy. It's just easier not to. 00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:42.799 Easier not to. Make small bite -sized chunks 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:45.960 of that elephant. Yes. Be prepared and be patient. 00:25:46.039 --> 00:25:48.839 Yeah, hurry up and wait. Hurry up and wait. Yes. 00:25:49.420 --> 00:25:52.980 Yeah, don't eat elephants. And turn big things 00:25:52.980 --> 00:25:55.480 into small things. Get your copy of Lady MacGyver 00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:59.400 online, bookstores. It's e -book. There's audio 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:03.160 book narrated by moi. And there's also some really 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:08.640 bad singing in it, also by me. I love the fact 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:11.500 that you sing in the book. Come fly with me. 00:26:11.579 --> 00:26:16.480 That's it. Yeah, that's the one. And yeah, more 00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:21.069 information is coming as we... write it, about 00:26:21.069 --> 00:26:25.690 the Reset Retreat. Yeah, Reset Retreat. That's 00:26:25.690 --> 00:26:27.069 the title we're going with at the moment. It 00:26:27.069 --> 00:26:28.910 might change. But I like that, Reset Retreat 00:26:28.910 --> 00:26:33.089 or Confident Anti -Fragile Retreat. We'll get 00:26:33.089 --> 00:26:35.539 there. Anyway, so good to be recording again, 00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:37.819 Michelle. Yes, yes. Do we give a shout out to 00:26:37.819 --> 00:26:40.380 our sponsors that still haven't reached out? 00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:44.460 I know. Bollinger, we are waiting. And Lindt. 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:46.700 Lindt, yeah, we're still enjoying your fine chocolates, 00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:49.779 but a little bit of a... I have to say, I've 00:26:49.779 --> 00:26:52.140 diverted slightly to Hague's. Have you? Yeah, 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:55.079 Australian, that's right. Yeah, maybe we should 00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:56.880 reach out to them and say, hey, look, Lindt has 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:00.079 let us down. They haven't. I get, I spend a lot 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.420 of money to get that free sample every time from 00:27:02.420 --> 00:27:04.609 Hague's. Yeah. Oh, you've got to love the free 00:27:04.609 --> 00:27:06.470 sample. When they go, would you like a free sample? 00:27:06.829 --> 00:27:09.269 Am I here for any other reason? That's right. 00:27:10.130 --> 00:27:13.450 Peppermint, yeah, hags, hags, hags, hags? Hags. 00:27:14.269 --> 00:27:16.230 Hags, peppermint frogs. I never know if it's 00:27:16.230 --> 00:27:19.269 a slant G or not. Hags, peppermint frogs are 00:27:19.269 --> 00:27:21.109 the best thing, aren't they? Yes. And they do 00:27:21.109 --> 00:27:24.630 dark and milk chocolate. Anyway, so, Lynch, if 00:27:24.630 --> 00:27:26.849 you don't want us to talk about hags, please 00:27:26.849 --> 00:27:29.240 reach out. Western waging. Give us some balls. 00:27:29.380 --> 00:27:32.099 Yeah, and bows. Bows. Bows headphones. I wouldn't 00:27:32.099 --> 00:27:34.940 mind a new pair. Yeah, the other one. The old 00:27:34.940 --> 00:27:37.839 one's getting a bit old now. Anyway. But, yes, 00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:41.160 welcome back. Yes. Good to be recording again 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:45.099 with you, Michelle. Bye. Bye. Well, that was 00:27:45.099 --> 00:27:49.299 fun. That was fun. You're such a clown. The clown. 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:53.039 Lady Captain. There we go. And who's going to 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:55.619 listen to this? Maybe our mums. Thanks, Mum.