1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,720 G'day leaders. Recently I heard two terms I hadn't heard before. The first one is psychobiotic 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:15,600 and the second one is the gut microbiota. I've heard of the gut microbiome but not the biota. 3 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:22,800 Anyway, fascinating science and a great book that we spoke about in the podcast about the link 4 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:30,080 between what you eat and your moods and the amazing science that's coming out. Enjoy. 5 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:37,520 Why did it count backwards? Oh no, we're now recording. What? Hello captain. 6 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:49,680 Come fly with me, let's fly, let's fly. What are we going to talk about? I don't know. 7 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,680 So leadership, life and everything else. Yeah. 8 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:05,040 And we're live. Oh you got in too quick. I was just about to say and we're live and I feel learned. 9 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:13,040 Learned. Learned. Learned. Yes I've learned something and I feel learned. Right. Yes. 10 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,280 Or educated as some would say. Yeah I thought I'd go with an obscure reference. 11 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:26,880 Got this new book. Yes. Yeah called the Psychobiotic Revolution, Mood, Food and the New Science of the 12 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:33,360 Gut-Brain Connection. And we don't normally do this so let's give the authors a shout out because I'm 13 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:43,840 pretty slack at this. So it's Scott Anderson with Dr John Cryan and Dr Ted Dinan. Anyway, I within 14 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:49,040 seconds was hooked on this book. Yeah because we read out the front every morning and this is a new 15 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:54,720 book for you and yeah you've been stopping me every page and telling me. You're trying to read and I'm 16 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,880 going hey hey hey did you know this? Did you know this? Yeah I know I'm a bit annoying. I'm like that 17 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,640 little puppy dog in that cartoon. Remember the little puppy dog that was always chasing after the 18 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:09,920 bigger dog? Yeah. So for example a single bacterium given enough to eat could multiply until its 19 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:20,400 brethren, its family, reached the mass of earth in just two days. If it was given enough food. 20 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:28,000 Yeah so bacteria. Yeah they love to eat. Yeah but then okay so going on from that. Yeah you told me 21 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:35,360 yeah another little tidbit that you told me was that at every hour. Oh every hour yeah it's new. 22 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:42,480 It's brand new. So thankfully within two days it's not going to happen. No. Because it changes over 23 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:49,120 every hour. Yeah yeah so it's this book is about the relationship between our gut and our I guess 24 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:56,720 mental health. Which those of us who have gut issues absolutely agree with that possibly don't 25 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,960 know the science behind it. Well I didn't. Well I can read some of that while we're going through 26 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:08,240 this but tell me about your experience with gut related issues. So when I was young we lived 27 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:17,920 overseas. We grew up in Asia and we didn't have access to fresh milk and so it was either powdered 28 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:26,640 milk. Yummy. Yeah or none or condensed milk. Sweet. Yeah so we didn't have milk. Okay. And then we came 29 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:34,080 back to Australia and then just went crazy with milkshakes and ice cream and cheese and milk, 30 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:43,840 Milo and things and quick and we then built we had an absolute intolerance to dairy to lactose. So 31 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:50,800 we then you know and it came up as rashes and all different symptoms but one of them was foggy brain 32 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:57,920 and we were young. Yeah. And how did you know? Well that's right that's it exactly. But why isn't 33 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:05,760 Barbie talking to Ken? But we were we were very active in sport. So our parents made us do sport 34 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:12,560 every single day we were in something else. Wise. So it didn't actually show until as teenagers 35 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:19,360 we stopped sport because we were too cool and which is probably when we should have done it more. Yes. 36 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:26,720 But we would also sneak because it was cool to have you know ice creams and milkshakes and things 37 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:32,640 and just started to not feel great. So it felt foggy. Yeah so finally you know we came to our 38 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:39,680 own conclusions my sister and I that maybe it wasn't the best. But only a few years ago I had 39 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:48,800 treatment for an illness and it changed my tolerance to food. Some foods. Oh it was a big treatment. 40 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:55,120 Yes and so I have not been able to tolerate gluten which and there were quite a few other things. 41 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,880 What's your nickname for yourself? Yeah I know. Most waiters who hear it don't like hearing it. 42 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:06,480 I call myself a gluttard but which is no disrespect to any actual gluttards out there but. Gluten 43 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:13,760 intolerance. That's right. But the I'm trying I try and make light of it. Yeah. Because it's annoying 44 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,200 I know to everyone around you. It's your condition you're allowed to make fun of yourself. But it does. 45 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:24,400 What I'm what I'm getting at is it does affect my mental health and so I get physical symptoms but 46 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:34,080 I notice if I eat gluten but my my brain also it's not pleasant it's it I get brain fog but also 47 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:41,360 feel low. Low. So it's a whole raft of things and whether it's because of the physical conditions 48 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:46,000 I then start to feel low and and what you've been telling me in the chapters you've read so far 49 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,800 it's it's which one comes first but it's. Well by the sounds of it with you it's the gluten 50 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:56,880 which leads to the mood disorder. Yeah yeah but it's it's it's not pleasant so you you actively 51 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:01,920 avoid having it because you don't want to feel like that. And you say that water is your go-to. 52 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:08,160 Yes. I'm presuming that flushes your system. Maybe. Maybe. We've just come to that realization. 53 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:13,920 That's right I thought it was a brain chemical that it helped me and maybe Pavlov's dog thing 54 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:19,920 that if I take a glass of water it it. So you notice a significant difference if you if you 55 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,920 if you have gluten. What about dairy? Does dairy just make you feel foggy? Does it? 56 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:29,360 Ah I just don't feel feel good. Yeah well this book is showing that there's a very strong 57 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:34,960 correlation between maybe even a causation between what you eat and how you feel and so there's been 58 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:40,080 lots of experiments but just some of the stuff that's in this book is is blowing me away so like 59 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:47,280 in your gut today you're a host to trillions not not billions but trillions of bacteria 60 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:55,280 and they're online 24 seven duking it out with rogue microbes and even helping you produce vitamins 61 00:06:55,280 --> 00:07:01,120 and sucking calories out of every bit of fiber that you eat and they're just working with you. 62 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:06,240 And I love in this book how it talks about the relationship between humans and or animals and 63 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:13,440 and bacteria so millions of years ago bacteria and animals struck up a deal so this is directly from 64 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:21,040 the book I love this quote in in return for a moist bed and a warm buffet beneficial bacteria took up 65 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:26,080 the job of defending us against the madly proliferating pathogens in the world because 66 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:32,240 it takes a germ to fight a germ. So we've got a whole bunch of bacteria in our body fighting off 67 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:40,000 pathogens for us in a symbiotic relationship. Yeah yeah but um okay what percentage of you is human 68 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:47,200 Michelle? I know. You know the answer but I found this one incredible so you told me that's why. 69 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:53,680 I think this is incredible so microbial genes which outnumber your human genes 70 00:07:54,720 --> 00:08:01,360 they outnumber them by an amazing 100 to 1 so when you do the math it's basically saying that 71 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:08,960 you're a hybrid creature of the less than 1% and yet you are genetically only 1% human. 72 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:18,880 99% of you genetically not the mass of you but genetically 99% of you are microbial genes. 73 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,040 So it's not just my opinion of some of my exes. 74 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:28,800 What are you thinking about like potential neanderthal genes? I think I've got a bit of 75 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:34,320 neanderthal in me. I occasionally you know beat my chest and walk around on all fours. No I don't. 76 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:43,200 But yeah this this book is amazing because I had a similar experience with dairy to you but mine 77 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:51,600 came much later in life. I had a illness I couldn't get rid of so the doctor put me on 78 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:58,080 a course of antibiotics and after two weeks still there. It's another two week I think one week or 79 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:05,840 two week dose of this very strong antibiotic and I grew up unlike you loving fresh milk. I used to 80 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:11,120 go to the fridge every day after school, grab the carton and just drink straight from the carton a 81 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,920 liter of milk. That was my go-to thing. I loved it, loved milk and still to this day just the 82 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:21,600 memory of drinking milk is extraordinary. But as we discovered after that two or three weeks of 83 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:30,160 antibiotics my body doesn't like lactose anymore. In fact I developed let's put it this way I 84 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:37,760 developed a new propulsion method. I could get upstairs much quicker than I used to. I couldn't 85 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:45,600 take a step without having some extra propulsion. It became a bit of a joke but it was to me 86 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:54,240 it was funny and I'm glad you laugh. But oh I was so disappointed because that meant cheese, milk, 87 00:09:54,880 --> 00:10:03,760 ice cream, gone. And I love ice cream and I love cheese and I love milk. I still partake. What I'm 88 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,680 trying to do because reading this book now it gives me hope because apparently if you're a guppy I am 89 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:17,680 changes every hour basically that there's hope that I can bring it back. But I really want to get 90 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:23,200 into some of the quotes that are in this book. I just find this extraordinary. I've heard about 91 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,880 the connection between the gut and the brain. Well isn't the gut the second brain? Yeah well 92 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:34,800 that's what they're saying in here and this is only a recent term that all of the, oh I've got 93 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,560 to find a bit in the book where it talks about this. But all right let's start with this. So 94 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:44,640 you've heard of the gut microbiome. Yes. That's the environment. That's the home. The home. Have 95 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:51,920 you heard of the gut microbiota? Well you've told me about it so yes. But before I told you that. 96 00:10:51,920 --> 00:11:02,640 No neither had I. So the gut biota is the microbiome, the what is it the community of microbes 97 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:08,000 that are living in your gut. In the microbiome. In the microbiota. But the microbiome is the 98 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:15,840 environment, the environment that they live in. And it's so important because the biota 99 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:21,920 has a direct relationship to how we feel. And one of the examples it gave in the book, so have you 100 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:28,080 ever had food poisoning? Yes. Yeah so you've eaten something you know that's bad. So some 101 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:33,840 pathogen has come into your body from your food and then you start to get that feeling in your 102 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:39,920 stomach and in your intestines and you think oh oh this isn't good. So what does your body do? 103 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:44,320 Wants to get rid of it. It wants to get rid of it. Yeah so it kicks it sends signals to your 104 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:50,320 immune system but it's wanting to get this stuff out of you. So it actually changes your mood. 105 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:57,680 So when you have got food poisoning how would you describe your mood? Anxious. Anxious because you 106 00:11:57,680 --> 00:12:02,880 want to get to a bathroom. To a bathroom. Good that's exactly what it's saying in the book. 107 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:08,080 So imagine this you eat a pathogen your body goes oh we don't want that. So your gut biome, 108 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:13,280 your gut biota kicks into gear, sends messages to your immune system. Hey we're going to flush 109 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:19,760 this system. So then it directly affects your mood. Your anxiety levels go through the roof. 110 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:24,240 Well sometimes it's you don't know which end to point. And it's going to come out. No exactly. 111 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:32,320 And so that anxiety is a mechanism to motivate you to get to a bathroom. Yeah. And so that's 112 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:38,560 kind of like proof that your gut biome has the ability to change your moods. It builds anxiety 113 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:43,520 to get you moving towards bathroom so you can you know clean it out. And then it also speaks about 114 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:51,280 that when we feel sick like so when we have an infection or something like that 115 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:57,280 that nature has wired us to lay low. So when you feel sick you just want to cuddle up in your bed. 116 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:02,480 Hide from the world. Hide from the world. Get under a doona. Please bring me soup and leave me alone. 117 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:10,080 Yeah. So it's called sickness behaviour. So that sickness behaviour when you think about it from 118 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:17,760 an evolutionary point of view it makes sense because you rest to give your body a chance to 119 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:24,160 heal but you isolate yourself from others. And the reason why you would do that is so that the 120 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:29,920 people around you don't catch the pathogen. Right. That makes sense. So lying down. That's clever. 121 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:34,880 It is clever. Yeah your body says go and lie somewhere else where you're in and request to 122 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,600 be alone. Bring me soup but then leave me alone. It's your body saying hey isolate yourself from 123 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:45,280 other people so you don't pass on the pathogen and rest so that your body can heal. I think that's 124 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:53,840 that's just brilliant. But it's so you retire to a quiet space yeah and then so you'll stop 125 00:13:54,880 --> 00:14:01,200 spreading spreading the contagion. But sickness behaviour is better known as depression. 126 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:08,240 So when people are depressed what do they want to do? Hide away. Hide away. They isolate themselves. 127 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:14,560 They quite often go and lie down and they can't find themselves the motivation or the energy to 128 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:22,000 get up. And so if you endure that for any length of time that sickness behaviour is known as 129 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,160 depression but depending on the levels of inflammation that's happening in your body you 130 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:35,360 can suffer from both depression and anxiety and anxiety and it's basically all involved with your 131 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:41,520 gut. So a friend of mine many years ago he. Sorry can I just jump in two seconds. Yes. Really 132 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:47,600 important for me to say yes that there are other there is other depression. So like if you suffer 133 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:55,040 a loss or some significant event outside your body yeah that can also lead to more the psychological 134 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,440 depression. Yeah this is like a physical depression. So I just need to clarify that because 135 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,360 it's really important. We're not saying here that the only source of depression is what you ate. 136 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:09,360 That's right. Anyway sorry. Well a flying colleague or friend of mine from many many years ago he 137 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:15,920 suggested because every time I started to feel run down or on the edge of something you know a 138 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:22,960 cold or flu or something I would crave fried foods which are not healthy at all and it's not my my 139 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:33,120 typical go to. And he had an opinion that it was one it's your body getting fat stores for you to 140 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:37,680 go into hibernation. Now I don't know if this is true or if it was just something that he said to 141 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:45,280 make me feel better because I was sucking down heaps of fried potato scallops which those in 142 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:51,040 Victoria will think that's weird. What do you call them potato cakes. But yeah I couldn't get enough 143 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:59,280 fried food and then I'd go into the funk. So when you are sickly I'd imagine the type of food so if 144 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:05,600 you have your soup that will help you. So yes you're hiding you're resting you're recovering 145 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:12,800 soup and fresh foods or foods like that would help your your second brain your gut brain 146 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:21,920 heal. So if you're having chips and lollies or stodgy cakes and things that's not going to help 147 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:28,720 your gut brain get out of that. But it might give you a temporary high or temporary. True. So one of 148 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:35,040 the other things I read is that you ever had a craving for chocolate. Yeah. Yeah well I 149 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,360 well when you have that craving for chocolate that's your your microbiota saying hey 150 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:47,760 I like this stuff. So you get you eat the chocolate you get this this 151 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:55,920 change in your mood. So chocolate does elevate your mood. Yes. And I think that explains 152 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:02,880 comfort eating. Ah. So when when we go through a bad period in our lives quite often 153 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:07,840 who hasn't grabbed a liter of French vanilla Sarah Lee ice cream grabbed a crunchy bar and used 154 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:13,600 that as the spoon and eaten the whole thing. Oh just me. Sorry two crunchies. But just me. 155 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,680 It only comes in one liter I've always done four. Four? No the Sarah Lee French vanilla ice cream 156 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:24,720 is a one liter tub. If you're getting four liter I want to know your stockers. No I had the fancy 157 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:30,000 blue ribbon. Oh the blue ribbon. The near-pocket thing. Yeah and I like every flavor in the 158 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:35,680 near-pocket. Yeah me too me too. It was funny that some some kids would go for you know the 159 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,000 chocolate or the strawberry or the vanilla I'd go for all three. Yeah. I'd be scooping across 160 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,200 every every every scoop was a multi-colored delight. 161 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:52,400 This relationship to what we eat and how we feel so they've coined this term 162 00:17:52,400 --> 00:18:02,720 psychobiotics which is a term to describe things like prebiotics and probiotics. Yeah. 163 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:09,040 That are helpful to changing your mood and they're they're doing a lot of research on this as to 164 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:16,640 how we can use food to impact our mood. But that's not a new thing so nutritionists 165 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:26,240 uh naturopaths, aovetic they are all this is like older medicine. Yeah. Have known. Anecdotally. 166 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:33,520 Anecdotally. Yeah. Yeah. Anecdotally. So um now we're starting to get some science to to prove it 167 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:40,960 that food will boost your mood. So have you heard about the the fecal transplants from humans to 168 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:46,400 mice? Have you heard about this one? No I've heard of fecal transplants in humans to humans. 169 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:52,720 Yes. Because we know someone who had that done. We do. We do. Took a literal had a literal shit 170 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:58,800 sandwich. It was a shit yeah but yeah it was in the form of a pill. Yes. Yeah a lot less. But it 171 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:03,920 made her better. Yeah it did it did actually help tremendously. But there was that they they the 172 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:09,920 way they were finding out the scientific evidence that proves this is so imagine this they took the 173 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:19,040 fecal matter from a very depressed human being and put it into a mouse or a rat and then that 174 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:26,480 mouse or rat or those rats started to display depressive um behavior. So they showed that uh 175 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:33,440 it goes it goes uh you know from one animal to another from humans to mice. We haven't tried it 176 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,280 back the other way which I don't think would be very healthy. Well we looked into it because of 177 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:44,080 of our friend who had it done. Yeah. And so um and there's also the thing of taking on the personality 178 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:49,040 potentially of the donor. Yeah well that's what they're saying here with regards to if you are 179 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,040 going to get a fecal transplant not only do you want to make sure that they don't have any hidden 180 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:58,000 diseases you want to check to see what sort of personality that they have. So if they're a 181 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:04,240 vicious vibrant happy person yeah thumbs up grab that fecal matter. But only if you want to be like that. 182 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:11,280 But if your if your resting state is not that you may not want that. Yeah but if your resting state 183 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:20,000 is not uh happy then potentially that's that's one way to do it. Yeah. But the um the the connection 184 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:28,240 to between food and mood has been established but also between food and memory improvements 185 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:37,360 and also um thinking improvements. Yeah. So they're showing that people who have again been supplied 186 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:43,120 with certain microbiota in in in their microbiome. I'll start throwing out these terms like I know what they mean. 187 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:48,880 I know you sound very scientific. Yeah have had uh improvements in memory improvements in thinking 188 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:56,080 problem solving abilities. So it just goes to show that what you eat um and the variety of what you 189 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:03,760 eat is so important. Absolutely. Well we recently we recently went to a weekend we did some sound 190 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:12,080 healing and prior to that we always uh cleanse. So we go off coffee we go off uh sugar. Processed 191 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:19,280 foods. We reduce we cut out all processed foods we reduce uh we cut zero alcohol we cut out 192 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:26,320 we cut out caffeine. Red meats. Red meats. So we're just very very clean so we still eat um you know free 193 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:33,440 range chicken and stuff like that and fish and uh what else anyway but we we cleanse. We don't even have 194 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:42,320 uh fermented so that means uh even um bananas that are overripe. Yeah avocados. So anyway we do this 195 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:49,920 um we were guided to do it and the difference in how you feel is yeah I find quite extraordinary. 196 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:57,040 I feel very peaceful and very uh present. Yeah yeah well very mindful of your food as well 197 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:02,720 and so it's mindful eating. Yeah because well what they're saying is that it's it's all linked to 198 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:08,240 inflammation in in your gut. I'm curious so when you get further along in the book. I'm only one 199 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:14,640 chapter in. I know about the fasting because we do fasting and the clarity of mind on day three and 200 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:23,520 day four is amazing. So and my memory and just and mood and everything I'm almost I'm going to say 201 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:32,320 ecstatic but uh mood elevated. Yeah yeah the endorphins are huge and I it's that I have this 202 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:39,200 tug of war with myself on day four as to whether or not to stop the fast or to keep going because 203 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:46,720 it's such a good feeling. It is when your body goes into autophagy. Yeah I always three days in I start 204 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:52,240 to struggle simply because um I get reflux and because your body doesn't stop producing stomach 205 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,800 acid because it thinks it needs to to digest food but the food's not coming but the acid is still 206 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:03,200 coming and so I get really bad reflux but I've been told I've been told um to eat celery potentially 207 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:10,160 ah um and there was something else you could have to reduce that but yeah the clarity of of mind is 208 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:16,640 is extraordinary. That's why when when um I do keynotes and I think you do something similar 209 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:21,680 I don't eat in the morning because when I'm on stage my brain needs to be on fire and so I I 210 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:27,120 always talk hungry I used to play hungry I used to play not the country I did play hungry um we beat 211 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:34,000 them once or twice but um yeah no without any food in my stomach and I find that my uh my brain 212 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:40,240 functions much much better. Yeah well fat dumb and happy often can be because you're full. Yeah 213 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,960 because you feel all foggy. Yeah so I am curious when you get to that chapter I'd like to 214 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:55,120 to know more. Yeah no absolutely. The other thing it's saying in the book which I found interesting 215 00:23:55,120 --> 00:24:02,960 and I hope it goes deeper into this that it's not a one-way street so you if you eat bad things it's 216 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:09,200 going to affect your mood but they've also mentioned and hopefully they go deeper into it that if you 217 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:17,440 have a negative event in your life um this then can like so you've got anxiety you've got depression 218 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,760 those sort of negative emotions or moods it leads to negative changes in your microbiota and it I 219 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:30,320 think it's called dysbiosis um I'll have to look that up anyway but that that disruption um 220 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:37,600 in uh so your mood so you start to feel depression and anxiety because of external 221 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:42,880 circumstances it then affects your microbiota. Does it have a memory? So it goes well so it 222 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,960 goes back the other way is what they're saying and it's traveling up and down through your vagus nerve 223 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,600 um and I'm gonna have to go deeper into this book and this research because I'm finding this 224 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:58,720 fascinating so not only is what we're eating affecting our mood uh because did you know that 225 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:08,640 um the microbiota helps produce in your stomach serotonin dopamine and what was the other one um 226 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,840 well dopamine in your stomach I do know the dopamine in your stomach has a different effect 227 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:22,000 on your uh mind than what dopamine produced in your brain yes yes yes so that's what they're 228 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:29,120 saying oh the other one was GABA which is uh it's something amino butyric acid or something 229 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:36,160 anyway I'll have to again look it up but the so GABA is the uh I think it's a neurotransmitter 230 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:41,600 or it's I know it's it's got it's an acid but it basically it calms you down so people with 231 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:47,120 with low levels of it anxiety and depression people with higher levels but you can have too high 232 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:56,560 but yeah serotonin dopamine and then GABA uh produced because the bacteria um is really 233 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:02,400 yeah helps us that get those neurotransmitters and then using the vagus nerve connects or 234 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,560 communicates with the brain but like you said we don't think that those neurotransmitters go into 235 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:11,360 the brain but they communicate with the brain probably in the same sort of fashion so yeah so 236 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:16,240 it goes both ways external factors can make you feel depressed and anxious but also what you eat 237 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:21,840 makes you feel depressed and anxious so eating properly can can help us yeah well the good thing 238 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:29,360 about this book if it's out in mainstream so as I suggested before the um people the practitioners 239 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:35,120 that are complementary health practitioners that have known this and eastern medicine have has known 240 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:43,440 this the fact that it is now being studied and then put out into the world for mainstream to 241 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:49,680 to learn about it and maybe to introduce components if not all of it is a positive so a lot of our 242 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:56,000 stuff comes from eastern medicine or ancient cultural traditions that they've known and then 243 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,160 we come in and potentially big pharma without starting debates on big pharma but yeah um 244 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:06,960 this is a good this is positive it's very positive very very positive so the thing about 245 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:13,280 depression and anxiety and I I read this years ago that they're um they're very strongly associated 246 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:18,880 with brain atrophy so long-term depression and anxiety is very very unhealthy for us 247 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:27,920 because our brain will atrophy um and there's also they're now finding a connection between food 248 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:38,160 so what we eat and things like helping with autism um ms uh psoriasis a whole range of conditions 249 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:46,000 that they're finding a gut related um relationship or gut relationship a colleague of mine her mum 250 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:55,360 uh has ms and I haven't spoken to this colleague for many years but even 10 years ago her mum was 251 00:27:55,360 --> 00:28:04,240 proactively managing her ms with diet so um she was very much and and doing she was doing ice 252 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:09,440 baths she was doing and this is all before it became fashionable she found that it helped her 253 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:17,680 I saw recently Michael Klim's daily ice baths are helping his condition that he has and also 254 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:24,640 diet managing so there's a huge relationship and I love that we're learning this yeah because 255 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:31,520 we weren't aware of any of this growing up we were eating processed everything well you see kids like 256 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:38,400 kids are easy they're easy litmus you give them too much sugar or too many um additives in foods 257 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,560 doesn't even need to be sugar no and they go a bit crazy and then you get the crash and the 258 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:51,920 moods and yeah hmm anyway this is early days from onion chapter the first chapter so I'm very very 259 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:57,760 interested in going down this pathway because if there is a a not a solution but something that 260 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:03,280 can dramatically help us improve our moods uh lessen depression and anxiety because it's a it's a 261 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:08,720 global epidemic depression and it sounds like it's an easy fix in the fact that we just a slight 262 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:14,800 adjustment in your diet yeah can have a huge improvement in your mood yeah and and so I've 263 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:21,120 heard this for a long time now that there is a huge global problem around depression and anxiety 264 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:28,640 without really a correlated cause we live in the most advanced civilization ever we have everything 265 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,600 that we need access to yeah we all have psychological pressures but the amount of 266 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:41,920 depression and anxiety in relationship to our quality of life is is disproportionate it it 267 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:47,600 it shouldn't be where it's at so hopefully this gives us some information and people who are out 268 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:54,240 there who suffer from uh these awful mood disorders that maybe there's maybe there's uh something that 269 00:29:54,240 --> 00:30:01,680 can assist but again again the disclaimer that this is in no way any medical advice no not at all 270 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:09,120 um but it's but look into it yeah yeah yeah because if we can help people improve their mood 271 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:14,160 through eating better we should we should be doctors should be suggesting hey um have you 272 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,280 looked at your food have you looked at what you're eating obviously some people need to be on on 273 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:25,360 antidepressants there are people out there who suffer tremendously and this is not as limiting 274 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:30,880 or downplaying what they go through but this is for all of us who who food can affect our mood and 275 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:39,280 let's have good food so what was the book again okay so the psychobiotic revolution so i'm gonna 276 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:44,560 um learn more about this topic and start sharing the knowledge because i think the world will be a 277 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:50,080 better place when we all become our best self absolutely that was fun yeah that was good see 278 00:30:50,080 --> 00:31:10,960 you bye well that was fun that was fun you're such a clown lady captain and who's gonna listen to this