1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,520 Why did it count backwards? Are they? We're now recording. 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,640 What? Hello Captain. 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,920 Come fly with me, let's fly, let's fly. 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,240 What are we going to talk about? 5 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:22,160 I don't know. So leadership, life and everything else. 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:33,680 Yeah. Good day, leaders. In this podcast, we had the absolute privilege of speaking with Julia 7 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:40,880 Malinac. She is an international opera superstar, a polymath that she's very much like our Captain 8 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:47,200 Michelle who can do anything. And we had an absolute ball learning about her singing career 9 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:52,080 and all the other things that she's done and is continuing to do. Enjoy. 10 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,080 And we're live. No, we're recording. 11 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:02,960 In the studio with a guest. Yes. How exciting. All the way from UK. Yeah. 12 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,960 I'm excited. Amazing Julia. 13 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,080 So Michelle, do you want to give us a little bit of background about Julia? 14 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,000 Because I'm excited because we've got another polymath in the room. 15 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,280 Julia, have you heard the term polymath? Yes, I know what a polymath is. 16 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,360 Yes, definitely. So Michelle can do anything. 17 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:27,440 She can weld, she can paint, she can fly planes. She's a teacher, she's a speaker. There's nothing 18 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,640 she can't do and I've heard you're quite similar. Yes. 19 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,720 You're like a sister from another mother. For sure. 20 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,520 Yeah, we have very parallel lives. We do. 21 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,800 Let's start with the big one. International renowned opera singer. 22 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,080 Yeah. That's not me. 23 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,520 I've heard you sing. It's definitely not you. I'm sorry, Michelle. 24 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:52,240 I was just saying to Michelle before we started this that people sometimes say to me, 25 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,960 what do you do? And I sort of, I don't really know because I do so many things. 26 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,320 That's it. So we've got, what else do we got in there? We've got property development. 27 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:07,280 Yes. Yes. Oh, I've done a lot of things. Yes. I've started lots of businesses. I mean, my guts, 28 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,520 I identify as an opera singer because that's what I've done most of my life. 29 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:17,200 Yeah. But I have had, I had the largest gay dining club in the UK. 30 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,880 The largest gay dining club in the UK. Well, that's going to be a conversation 31 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,720 we're going to be having. That's interesting. 32 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,600 That was before the internet's showing how old I am. 33 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:29,280 So just come a little bit closer. A little bit closer. Okay. 34 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:30,800 That's perfect. Yeah, that's nice. 35 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:37,440 And yes, several businesses, lots of property and now I am a magician. 36 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:45,200 A magician. Okay. My mind is wrapping itself around the stong of that word. So I'm assuming 37 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,960 it's got something to do with... Vaginology. 38 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:56,640 So yeah, my passion, my passion, I don't call it a job because you can't call it a job. My passion, 39 00:02:56,640 --> 00:03:03,120 my hobby is supporting women to have babies at home. So yes, I trained as a midwife rather late 40 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:08,720 in life for, yes, for a passion. And it is a labor of love, as they say. 41 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,520 A labor of love. I like what you're doing there with all these words. 42 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:18,720 Not only a polymath, you've got the gift of designing your own language almost. So 43 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,120 vagician, is that actually a word or is that a term? 44 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,720 No, that's me. That's me. Yes. 45 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:23,840 I love that. That's for you. 46 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:26,640 Lady Julia the vagician. 47 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:28,160 Lady Julia the vagician. 48 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:33,120 I pull magic things out of vaginas. Can I say vagina on the podcast? 49 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:34,240 Yeah, you can say whatever you want. 50 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:34,960 We just take the box in. 51 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:35,440 Yeah. 52 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:36,880 You can beep over it. 53 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,000 That's no explicit language. 54 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,120 No, I know, but you don't know whether people... 55 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:41,840 Like the word? 56 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:42,640 Yes. 57 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,320 Well, it's a word. 58 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,720 It is. It's an anatomical word. 59 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:47,520 It is. 60 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:48,560 Anatomical word, yes. 61 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,560 So where do we start with Julia if she's lucky with polymath, we could talk for hours. 62 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:53,760 Can we start with the opera? 63 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:54,080 Yes. 64 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,360 Because that was early on, wasn't it? 65 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:56,400 That was what's... 66 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:57,360 Early on in your career? 67 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,440 Well, it was from the age of two. 68 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,840 I was singing before I could talk to you. 69 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:04,160 Oh, wow. 70 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,240 Literally, I was standing on coffee tables being that irritating child who always wanted 71 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:14,240 to perform and always the loudest in the school choir. And in my heart, I wanted to do medicine, 72 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:19,520 which is probably why I came and did the midwifery later. And I was going to do medicine, 73 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:25,600 but loved performing. I loved music theater, but my parents didn't think that was sort of 74 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:31,200 a proper job. But when I discovered my operatic voice, they supported me. And I switched when 75 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,600 I was about 17 and went down the opera path. But it was always very normal for me when I 76 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:40,800 meet people and I say, I'm an opera singer. They think it's very glamorous and wow. And 77 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:46,560 to me, it was just normal. Everybody I knew were opera singers and went and did it straight 78 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:52,800 from school and just worked in it. And it was pretty amazing. 79 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,480 So you stepped onto the stage from school, Australian Opera. 80 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:02,640 Yes, I went straight to a music conservatoire, trained there and went straight from there. 81 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,360 Most people leave there and we'll do one season in the Glynebourne Chorus. I don't know if 82 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:13,040 you've heard of Glynebourne. It's a beautiful country house opera. And it has choristers 83 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:18,640 who go on to become soloists. And straight from there, I went on and sang my first Don 84 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:24,000 Giovanni and then I specialised in Puccini and mainly Madame Butterfly. Madame Butterfly 85 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,960 blessed her plate, my mortgage for a very long time. 86 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:32,000 Oh, wow. So where did that take you around the world? I presume you travelled with it? 87 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:38,400 Yes, all over the place. So I tried. Well, I was I was working internationally. Eventually, 88 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:46,400 I was trying to work more at home because I had children. But I did a season in New Zealand, 89 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:53,840 in Israel, Italy. I mean, you name it, I've probably been there. And it's wonderful. It's 90 00:05:54,560 --> 00:06:00,080 not as glamorous as it sounds living out of a suitcase and being away, but you make some 91 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,840 amazing friends. And then you keep seeing those friends each time you turn up for a job, 92 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:10,560 you see who the cast is. And the greatest joy making amazing music. 93 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:16,960 So we spoke about this before we started recording how you said you got more enjoyment out of the 94 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:22,560 journey, the creation, the creation than the actual performing. Can you tell us more about that? 95 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:28,400 Yes. I mean, I think most musicians, you're not doing it for the applause. People think it's 96 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,800 just glamorous, you know, the applause and then you come out and sign autographs. It's nothing to 97 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:39,760 do with that. It's, it's the absolute love of studying that score. The great butterflies who 98 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:45,040 came before me, the great butterflies who are still out there doing it after me. We've all 99 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:52,960 studied that score and made of it our interpretation and our love of that music. And what the public get 100 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:58,400 to see is their own interpretation of our interpretation. And it's such a joy. It's a 101 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:06,800 spiritual journey and is an utter privilege. And yes, it's the rehearsals, the development of that 102 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:12,720 character. I think I was saying to you before you, the emotional journey you go on is, I mean, 103 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:20,640 in opera, I think opera is the ultimate form for that expression of emotion and to, to feel that 104 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:27,680 depth of emotion on stage. Life is a pretty poor imitation afterwards. So I can see why a lot of 105 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:32,160 marriages don't make it pass up with us. Yes, because you're away from home. You're having 106 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:37,600 these passionate moments on stage. And then you come home to a partner who's been there looking 107 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:44,160 after the kids is fed up. You have it and it's like, it's the mundanity that you just don't have on 108 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:50,400 stage. So it's like life and art are not really imitating each other. You wish they did a little 109 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:59,040 bit. But it was, it was a wonderful time and was my norm. It was nothing glamorous or interesting. 110 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:05,040 I mean, I realized later on, when I did stop singing, how I'd lost something that was 111 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:12,080 extraordinary. It was to me, I loved singing and loved singing to the end, but I didn't love the 112 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:18,880 lifestyle. Was it an ego death that you had at the end? Michelle describes when she obviously gave up. 113 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:24,880 Yeah, oddly yes. Because there was no ego involved in singing. It's to me, it was my normal. There 114 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:31,600 was, there was no significance. I didn't feel that I was a superstar or special. However, when you lose 115 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:37,760 it, you suddenly think, who am I? And you realize that people actually wanted to be friends with you 116 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,280 because, oh, you're the opera singer. People would come up to me in the school playground to go, oh, 117 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,200 you're the opera singer. We, we'd really love to have you for dinner. And I used to hate that. I 118 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:52,400 used to actually abhor the, the, the significance that came with being a singer. But when I lost it, 119 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:58,560 yes. And so when people say to me now, what do you do? Even though I midwife more than I sing, 120 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:04,160 I tend to say, well, I'm an opera singer because that's, it's what I've done most of my life. And, 121 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:11,520 and I still sing every day with my dogs in my kitchen. We've got quite an echo-y studio that 122 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:18,320 we're in today. So maybe we can get you to hit a note. We'll put the links to some, some of your 123 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:24,720 performances in the show notes as well. Yeah, that would probably be better. I actually once did a 124 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,840 radio show. They got me on and they had a crystal glass and my challenge was to sing a high note 125 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:34,080 and smash the glass. How did you go? Well, unfortunately I turned up and it wasn't a 126 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:40,320 crystal glass. It was sort of like an Ikea drinking glass. And so they literally did it and then they 127 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:46,400 smashed it on the wall and we pretended. So yes, that was, that was LBC London. I'm, I'm dobbling 128 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:55,360 you in. So is that true? Like I always thought that was a get smart myth that an opera singer 129 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:01,200 could actually, can you break glass? I think if it's a high, if it's a high quality crystal glass, 130 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:07,200 what you do is you flip the glass and you get the, the note and then you sing that at high 131 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,280 intensity. And apparently I haven't done it, but I do believe it works. So match the image. 132 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:17,040 So find some crystal. Do we want to be careful about what we've got in the kitchen. 133 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:27,680 Wow. What a start to your journey. Like when we were talking, Michelle and I, when we first met 134 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:34,960 and how she gave up flying and I gave up a sport and both of us experienced that, that massive 135 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,120 ego death because you just don't know who you are. Julia explained it really well. Whilst you're in 136 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:45,040 it, you're not going around thinking that your ego is just your identity. It's not, it's not, 137 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:49,440 it's when it's gone. And it's another thing we went through. Really it's a similar time. We did 138 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:56,240 it too. And it was just that identity loss of not knowing what we were because we'd been laid. It 139 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:02,800 was a label that we could attach to. Yes. And it was easy. And also it was one that was revered. 140 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:08,000 Like you said, a conversation starter. When you wake up in the morning, the first thing you wake 141 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:13,280 up and you think, oh, I'm a pilot. I'm an opera singer. I'm a sportsman or whatever it is. It's 142 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:20,560 for sure. I wake up in the mornings going, is it still there? I dream about it. I dream about 143 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:30,080 playing sport all the time. Thank you. You're so kind. I dream about playing sport that I'm still 144 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:35,040 in the team, that I get the call up and the dream just won't go away. And I'm sure if you get an 145 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:40,080 injury, you're thinking, oh no, because I mean, for me, if I get a cold, I still panic. I still 146 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:45,760 think, because if we got a cold, we didn't get paid. You didn't get paid for rehearsal periods. 147 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:52,160 So you'd fly off somewhere on your own dollar or pounds in my case. And you would turn up, 148 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,920 you would rehearse for six weeks. If you had a cold on that first night, you don't get paid. 149 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:03,440 So that happens. So we were very precious about anything respiratory. And now I can get a cold. 150 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,440 And it's like, ha ha. Although then I can't affect new mummies. So there you go. 151 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,320 What was your favorite memory? If you were to look through your career as an opera singer, 152 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,480 what would be your favorite memory? What comes straight to the front of your mind when I ask 153 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:23,920 you that question? Oh, it's so hard. I mean, people always used to say to me, what's your favorite 154 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:28,800 role? And it was always whatever I was doing at the time, because I would absolutely fall in love 155 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:35,440 with my heroine. And the roles I did, they always were heroines. They were the most beautiful, 156 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:41,920 gorgeous women. And I would identify so strongly with them. And I very much method acted. So I 157 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,400 would, I would come when I was doing butterfly, I would literally, I would do little tiny little 158 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:52,320 geisha steps and try and sort of look through my Diana eyelids and sort of Lady Diana, Princess Diana, 159 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:57,920 that sort of demure. I would practice it in every cell of my body. And it was a cellular thing. 160 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:04,480 So I think the love affairs I had with with those characters and that passion, I thought, 161 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:13,040 I think if I look back, that's my, my, my memory. And I think also the memory of getting my first, 162 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,680 I mean, I was doing nice roles quite early on, but when I got my first big break at English 163 00:13:17,680 --> 00:13:23,520 National Opera, and they said, we'd like you to come and sing Madame part of light. And that was 164 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:28,400 that was quite early on in my career. And that was, I remember, I remember exactly where I was 165 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:35,120 sitting, and how incredible that felt. And again, not because of the significance, but of the 166 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:41,200 opportunity to sing in that amazing in the Coliseum in London, singing that role was, was fabulous. 167 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:46,800 And then it went on to doing butterfly and lots of other places. So maybe that was a great moment. 168 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:54,000 I love when I hear people who have reached the pinnacle in their in their chosen field, when they 169 00:13:54,000 --> 00:14:00,880 describe how they embodied like you were doing the little steps. Yes, it's it's Michelle and I have 170 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:08,240 spoken a lot about alter egos recently. You read a fantastic book recently, just about how many very 171 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:14,400 successful athletes, many successful singers, many successful people develop this alter ego so that 172 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:20,720 they could fully embody what it was that they were doing. I think it's like athletes who rehearse the 173 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:26,000 whole thing in their heads. And yes, I'm like you do you you feel and be that person in your head. 174 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,640 And when you go out there, I mean, people say, Do you get nervous? And it's like, No, it's not me 175 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:36,960 there. It's Joshua Sand. It's Madame Butterfly up there singing. So I was all coffee machine. 176 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:42,160 Yeah, sorry. We already had a couple. We don't need you for the moment. Thank you very much. 177 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:49,840 But actually, another great moment was and this is not artistically sort of revered, but it was 178 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:57,040 wonderful was when I sang at Glastonbury. Tell us about that. It was the first time Glastonbury had, 179 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,560 you know, you know what Glastonbury is. Yeah, it was the first time Glastonbury had ever had 180 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:06,640 an opera company and they invited us to come and do Valkyrie. And we had 100,000 people, 181 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:14,480 singing along. And, you know, throwing things at the stage. And it was I felt like a rock star. 182 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:19,680 It was amazing. I had Paul McCartney in the dressing room. James Brown. When we finished, 183 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,800 he was like, You know, are you finished ladies? I can't do his deep growl of a voice. And it was 184 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,040 that was extraordinary coming out on the stage. And there's a Valkyrie. It was one time I broke 185 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,200 character because the Valkyries are supposed to be these formidable Amazonian women. And we all just 186 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:41,280 came on with big smiles. It was that was that was a very exciting moment, not artistically 187 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:48,000 necessarily. But it was my moment of being a rock star. That's extraordinary. I remember when I first 188 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:55,360 knew of you, met you. I hadn't met you in person, but you hated me. I did. And I wanted I really 189 00:15:55,360 --> 00:16:03,040 wanted to dislike you. And I, I were going to go into that story. All right, so for our listeners, 190 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:10,240 I googled everything about you as you knew that I did. And I stalked you basically on social media. 191 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:17,920 I stalked you back. It's fine. And your performances are on YouTube and I really wanted to dislike you. 192 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:24,480 And it's like, you've got to let people know why you can't just say that I didn't want to like you. 193 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:29,920 Julia was dating my boyfriend. Well, I think when I was dating my boyfriend, we might pop in. 194 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:35,760 And you ended up being best friends. I can read it in the book. What's the movie when you write that 195 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:43,120 script? It was the other woman movie times a million. But was somebody a lot less unattractive? 196 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:50,320 But you ended up being best friends. Yes, that's right. Adoring each other because we finally had a 197 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:57,440 lot more than that in common. Apart from being beautiful and amazing. And fabulous every day. 198 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:03,760 But yeah, the music, like you've said, you know, it was, it's so passionate and sound and music 199 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:10,960 do reach the soul. And you know, even Valkyrie that it changes a heartbeat almost in the fact 200 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:16,320 that a hundred thousand people singing along with you. And it just, it gives, I've got goosebumps 201 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:21,920 now thinking about it. But I remember I was watching you and even my parents, they were watching with 202 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:27,920 me. They wanted to hate me too. They did. They loved the drama of it. But they, you know, and my 203 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:35,600 dad was saying, Oh, she's quite good, isn't she? Dad, you better not like her. But then you've 204 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:41,360 taught their dog to sing. I have taught, yeah, I teach a lot of dogs to sing. So yes, but that's 205 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:49,680 another thing I love. I might run next door and grab a dog and sing. But it's, it does lift you. 206 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:54,880 And that's, that's the thing is if you're having a bad day, it can change your state in a heartbeat. 207 00:17:54,880 --> 00:18:01,920 You start singing, it will transport you. And I love sound healing now, you know, sort of singing 208 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:09,760 bowls and gongs and they do change you and Buddhist chanting and going back to midwifery, 209 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:15,200 it's something that I, I mean, I sang, I was told that I had the noisiest birth they'd ever had in 210 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:20,560 the hospital. That's my claim to fame. Another operatic moment because I sang through my birth. 211 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,080 And it was, it was analgesia. It relieved the pain for me. It transported me. 212 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,080 We were talking about early yesterday. And this is your birth where you gave birth. 213 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:35,600 This is my birth when I gave birth. And because you shut off the neocortex at that moment and you 214 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:41,760 become at one with the sounds. And it's, it was something I felt really passionate about. And then 215 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,520 I started sharing that with people. And then I was supporting other people through birth. And then 216 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:53,440 the, actually the whole midwifery journey sort of started partly as well through the journey with 217 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:58,480 Michelle, because I was thinking, well, maybe that's an entree into Australia because they 218 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,920 didn't need opera singers, but they did need midwives. Okay. 219 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:10,240 And you had been offered a role with Sydney Opera House. So I'd auditioned at Sydney Opera House. 220 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,240 And yes, they were sort of get yourself a visa, get yourself over here. And we can, we can, 221 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:19,520 we can actually, you know, give you a lot of work here, which was obviously super exciting, 222 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,520 but anyway, that's, that's a whole other podcast. That's going to another rabbit hole. 223 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,840 Australia is the worst that we didn't make that happen. 224 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:31,040 Yes, for sure. For sure. That was, that was another, another reason, but actually all worked out as 225 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:36,480 everything does. But it actually put me in another trajectory. But I did, in the end, I did the 226 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:41,440 midwifery. It was sort of almost to get over a broken heart. I just sort of thought I did it as 227 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:46,080 a part-time course. This wasn't the degree. And then before I knew it, I was applying and doing 228 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,720 the degree, which I thought I'll do it for fun. I'll do a BSC at the age of 107. And 229 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,400 and it had to be the top university doing it. So it was actually a very challenging degree. 230 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:04,080 And, but I still had that sort of the way I'd done it myself. I wanted it to be like a doula. 231 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,640 So I now do home births and I get my women singing a lot. I use a lot of breath work and sound. 232 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,240 What do you do if you've got a bad voice? 233 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,560 I sing for them. I hum along. No, it doesn't, it doesn't matter if you have a good voice. 234 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,560 I just get them humming. And then it's like an out of body experience. They all say, 235 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,520 I could hear the sort of the humming, the sounds, the frequency. 236 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:22,560 Well, it's vibration too. 237 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:27,280 It's the vibration without really being aware. It's a breath, it's helping with the breath as well. 238 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:32,000 Michelle and I have gone to sound healing recently and it's an extraordinary experience. 239 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:39,840 It's wonderful. It's wonderful. Sound is, I think it's a very underutilized healing process. 240 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:45,680 My mom, she can do sound healing as well with kinesiology. And I remember one particular 241 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:51,680 session she was doing with me, I was lying on the, on the bed and she had the tuning forks 242 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:58,880 and was doing it over my body. And I was watching my, I don't know if it was intestines or what it 243 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:06,640 was, rising as she's doing the forks over them and pulling them up. And she wasn't touching my skin 244 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:14,400 at all, but my, my. Taught like stomach, guts, whatever. Where we're coming up. 245 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:20,880 Was it wind possibly? It could have been, it could have been, but it was, it was coming up and she 246 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,600 was kind of playing with it. But you feel it when you play the heart frequency, you feel it in your 247 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:32,560 heart. You absolutely do. And I mean, sound is, yeah. I mean, I just, and we all know that, you 248 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:37,280 know, if your teenager is being a bit grumpy, you put the right music on and just, it can, 249 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:42,640 it can change their state immediately. I mean, I think we've all been to Tony Robbins events and 250 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:49,440 the way he uses music and then it anchors you as well. So I mean, opera still anchors me a lot. 251 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:55,280 And so I, yeah, it's very, very moving going to performances as well. I can imagine. 252 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:03,840 What did you learn being an opera singer? What, what lessons did you take away from it? Because 253 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:09,280 we often talk about how everything that you do in life is just another tool that goes into your 254 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:14,880 toolkit. So you learn lessons, you learn skills. What would you say were the big skills or lessons 255 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:23,280 that you got out of your career? Oh, so many, so many. I mean, as I was saying to you, the process 256 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:30,080 of creation is in many ways more important than the end result. That's putting something together 257 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:36,480 and the passion you can put into something and actually taking risks in that creative process. 258 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:41,280 And if they don't work, it doesn't matter because you're, it's a means to an end to get to the final 259 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:48,480 goal. And living with passion, I mean, as I said to you before, the passion I felt on the stage has 260 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:54,640 not been, it wasn't great for my marriage because my marriage lacked that passion, but I still believe 261 00:22:54,640 --> 00:23:03,920 in it. I still believe in that absolute incredible connection that people can have, whether it's, 262 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:10,720 I mean, Madame Butterfly has her sidekick Suzuki, which is a girlfriend, which is my Michelle. 263 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:23,200 And it's, it's the bonds you have and the camaraderie. But, you know, there are so many 264 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:29,440 parallels with life. And, you know, in terms of, you know, I think I was, my big thing, my mum 265 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,200 always used to say to me, Oh, life's not a dress rehearsal. You've got to get out there. But I think 266 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:39,840 it's okay to think of parts of your life as a dress rehearsal and to say, it's okay. This is happening 267 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:45,360 because it's leading me towards my big performance. And we all have those magic moments, those 268 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:50,400 incredible moments that would not have happened unless you'd fallen down and taken different 269 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:56,640 directions along the way. So if you, you know, if you are doing something and it's not working, 270 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,520 that's okay. And you can, you can find another way. And perhaps if you didn't make the mistakes 271 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:06,960 the first time around, you're not going to find the new path to get you towards where, 272 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,920 where you should be. And I know that happens all the time in the singing, you know, and 273 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:19,280 being able to just cope with those, you know, disappointments sometimes, you know, you think 274 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,800 you've got something, you know, you work on something you think is amazing and you turn up 275 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,480 and there might be somebody who has a completely different vision and just trusting sometimes 276 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,400 that things will unfold as they should, because they always do. 277 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,720 You sound like you've got the same motto that Michelle and I share. It's everything works out 278 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:44,320 for us. It does. Look, Julia is the most optimistic and opportunistic opportunist, opportunistic. 279 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:57,760 And the person that I know, tell me, they're going back to their gay dining. 280 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,880 Yes. You were saying this morning that, you know, you have these passionate, 281 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:11,840 you know, moments on stage with the partner that you had in your, in your role. And then 282 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,480 the curtain comes down and they're gay and you go off and like, it could never, never work 283 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,920 because they have a partner. Yes, exactly. 284 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:30,080 You fell in love on stage and then, you know, the curtain comes down. So was that because of those 285 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:37,120 relationships potentially, was that where the gay dining? Oh, absolutely. I was the biggest, I don't 286 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:43,280 know if you can say fag hag fruit, whatever you say these days, but I, yeah, all of my besties back 287 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:50,240 then were men and gay men. And it, back then it was very different. The gay scene was very different. 288 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:56,720 You went to clubs, you dressed up in your leathers. You, when I was at music college, we had a street 289 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,680 called Canal Street, which is the main gay area. And people always used to rub out the sea. 290 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,840 But a lot of gay guys didn't want to be part of the whole Queenie, 291 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:16,320 the crazy. And they were just like, I just want to meet somebody normally. So I literally put on a 292 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:21,760 dinner party for my, my close gay friends. And there was sort of 20 people and they was like, 293 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:27,920 Oh my God, this is amazing. And there was something coming up called the, do you have the ideal home 294 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,840 exhibition here? We have an ideal home exhibition, but it was, it was a gay lifestyle. So they were 295 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:37,760 calling it the ideal homo exhibition. So I put on one of my big operatic ball gowns. I had two 296 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:45,280 poodles at the time who I dyed pink. And I, I set up, um, out and out, which was, which was the, 297 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:52,240 well, at the time we had 20 members who were my friends. I was, I was marketing it as this amazing 298 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:57,120 dining club where you could, you know, escape the scene and meet men like you. And it grew and grew 299 00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:01,600 and grew. And this was word of mouth. It was advertising in little columns in newspapers. 300 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:07,120 Um, and it was very much needed at the time. We changed lives. We had marriages. We had people 301 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:12,880 who'd never told us all they were gay, but felt it was a safe space. So that was a passion. That 302 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:18,080 was a real passion of mine. And the internet came along and we were not so needed and we could have 303 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:23,840 developed more, but at that point I was doing other things and you know, the world it's now 304 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:29,680 obviously very normal and accepted almost quite cool to be gay. So yeah, yeah. So it was fine. 305 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:35,680 So that, that, that's, it had, it was the right place at the right time. And that's, you know, 306 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,680 you've always got to move and be in the right place at the right time. We were sort of the 307 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:47,200 blockbuster of our time. So we see opportunity in things or you create opportunity, which I love 308 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:54,160 about you. So if there's we on our chats that we have and, and different ideas, we're ideas people. 309 00:27:54,160 --> 00:28:00,320 And yes, we are between us, you know, brainstorm and think of, and some of the ideas and the 310 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:06,320 opportunities are so fantastical that there's like, there's no way, but then there's an, 311 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:12,000 there's an element that is doable and can be done. And it's like, how well, why can't it be done? 312 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:19,600 Why can't the big thing be done? And you've won awards for your screenplays. Your one is it's 313 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,800 right. So during COVID, when everything was shut down, there were a lot of out of work actors, 314 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:29,920 sound technicians. So we had the sound technician from Star Wars working. So we, I wrote a, I wrote 315 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:35,680 a little movie, which will also put in the show notes because it's amazing. Yeah. So it was, 316 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:42,800 it was basically comparing the, the conditions needed to make a baby to having a baby. And they're 317 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:50,560 very similar feeling safe, having consent, feeling private love, privacy, that's oxytocin rich 318 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,520 environments. And it's something I'm passionate about and is why I work as a private midwife, 319 00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,720 because I struggled to enable women to create that atmosphere in a hospital atmosphere. 320 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:07,120 But that's another story. So yes, I, I created this little film and I managed to get the most 321 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,920 incredible cast, the most incredible technicians, because everybody was out of work and climbing 322 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:17,840 the walls because of COVID. And so I managed to put this short movie together for probably about 323 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:24,000 1500 pounds, which was very cheap at the time. And put it out there thinking it would be a really 324 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:31,920 nice little learning tool. And it ended up going viral hundreds of thousands of views. We, I think 325 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:37,600 we won about 12 massive international awards. I got the screenwriter for the London Film Festival. 326 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:44,240 I got the American Cinematography Awards. There were many film festivals and we were shocked. 327 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:49,200 I then had people all around the world saying, can I use this? We're used in Sydney actually. 328 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:54,960 We're in their, their midwifery department have said, do you mind if we use the film? So it's, 329 00:29:54,960 --> 00:30:01,120 it's really helping people. And that, that thrills me. So I'm now looking at making a feature film 330 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,440 and several feature films, because one of our feature films, of course, is our story in the 331 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:14,880 Shell. Which we've discussed many ways of doing it. I think that's definitely a film in the making. 332 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:23,600 And, but I also would like to expand the, the short film I did. I can see that being a sort of 333 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,640 sort of type Netflix series that sort of, yeah, but we're, but I mean, my kids often say to me, 334 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:33,520 going back to what you were saying, sorry, ADHD brain. My kids will often say to me, you know, 335 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,960 you come up with so many ideas and you don't do half of them. And I was like, yes, that's the 336 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:42,480 point. So you do a lot of them. I do. Yeah. You only, the amount of ideas I have, I only need to do 337 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:48,720 2% of them. And I'm very busy. Yeah. And quite often going through with those ideas then opens 338 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:54,160 up to other ideas that you hadn't thought of. So it's like, yeah, it's just, it's ever, ever evolving 339 00:30:54,800 --> 00:31:01,120 idea session. Yes, exactly. And, and, you know, and then speaking to people and letting them bounce 340 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:06,960 their ideas off of me, like before we started this, you just showed me this beautiful house that you're 341 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,480 saying is out of your budget. And I swear to you, by the time I leave, you will be buying that house 342 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:16,960 because we are going to find a way. There is always a way. I am here at the right time because 343 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,600 you are going to buy that house. That's right. We've got four days to come up with that. Yes. 344 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,280 Yes. We'll get there. We'll get there. 345 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:33,040 I used to see ideas as, as entities that flowed past everyone. Yes. And it took a special person 346 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:40,720 like yourself and like Michelle to grab those ideas, put your nuance around it. And then the 347 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:46,400 really truly special people are those that then act on it. Elizabeth Gilbert has that in her book. 348 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:52,480 She's got a book, Magic Happens, I think it's called. And that is her, what she says in it as well, 349 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:59,760 that ideas are flowing and they're open for everyone. So if you have the idea, unless you 350 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,720 act upon it, it will go to someone else. Well, this is why you'll have a new invention and 351 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:10,240 somebody in London is making this at the same time in Sydney, because it's just out there at the time. 352 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:15,920 Yeah. For sure. And that's what manifesting is, isn't it? It's opening your brain to that particular 353 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,960 idea and grabbing it as it's coming past you. And seeing opportunity in everything. So some people 354 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:27,760 might see a bunch of garbage and another person might see, I saw recently on social media, 355 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:33,840 there is a business in Melbourne and I can't think of what, what they're called, but they get all soft 356 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,480 plastics that are in the rubbish or not all obviously within their area and they have a 357 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:44,400 coffee shop. So they use all soft plastics that they use in their shop and they melt them together 358 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:53,680 with an iron and then use that as like a leather replacement and make bags and purses and, and 359 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:59,120 things out of that. So it's utilizing and they never have a shortage of material because they're 360 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:04,480 just using soft plastics. Well, something similar to what you did in, in uni, you told me that 361 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,800 you didn't have a lot of money, you're doing art and so everything you found on the street became 362 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:17,520 artwork. And that's never stopped you. But there is, and like, you know, you've got to, 363 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:23,760 you have to, what, where your energy goes, your focus goes, your energy will flow. Absolutely. 364 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:29,280 And so if you're awake, you do wake up having a bad day and you say, no, I'm, I'm an optimistic 365 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:34,080 person. I believe that, you know, this bad day is going to lead to a good one. And, you know, 366 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,960 nobody wants to go to a movie where it's like, it's beautiful at the beginning, it's beautiful 367 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:44,720 in the middle, it's beautiful at the end. It's just boring. Yeah. So you have to have sometimes 368 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:51,520 those uncomfortable moments to make you see opportunity and to make you see, you know, what, 369 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:59,200 what the possibilities are. And, you know, so at the moment I feel slightly, you know, we were 370 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,000 saying about what do you do? And I, well, I'm not really singing and you know, the midwifery to me 371 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:10,000 is a passion. That's not who I am or my job. But so I, at the moment, I feel actually a little bit 372 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,920 excited. I don't know what it is, but I know there's something, there's another, you know, 373 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,680 I've had the gay dining club, I've had the singing, I've had the midwifery. And property development, 374 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:22,720 you see gems in everything. Yes. And the property development is, I've always felt that's, 375 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,200 you know, it's fun finding the opportunities and that's always been my bread and butter and 376 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:33,680 everything else is sprinkles and jam and sparkles. So there's another sprinkles and jam and sparkles 377 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:38,880 ahead and I don't know what it is, but I'm open to it. Well, we'll do another podcast when it's 378 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:46,720 happening. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I want to talk to you about the concept of the muse, artists talk 379 00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:53,840 about the muse. What are your thoughts around that topic? Does it, does your muse visit you? 380 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,240 Do you ride it in waves? Because one of the things Michelle and I have been talking about a lot lately 381 00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:05,040 is that we tend to find our creative, well, I tend to find my creativity or my passions, 382 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,440 they come in waves. And it's about finding when you're at the top of the wave and riding the wave 383 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,960 that's at the bottom, not getting so frustrated that it's not there. That's the way I'm thinking 384 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:20,480 about it at the moment. But I think a lot of that is mindset, isn't it? If you're, you've got to be 385 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:27,680 open to feeling that muse. And it does, I mean, I do think in the arts and I consider myself an 386 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:32,480 artist, even though I've made my money probably from property, but arts is always, and to me, 387 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:40,000 midwifery is artistry as well. But I think in the arts, you are, it's a sort of a higher spiritual 388 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:48,080 plane. And it is like you're channeling, you're channeling. When I was singing 100%, I felt that 389 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:55,600 I was, that voice was coming through me and I had to technically, yes, be perfect to allow that, 390 00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:01,760 that voice to come through me in a way that wasn't going to be offensive. But it is a feeling that 391 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:07,760 it's from a higher plane for sure. And you have to be open to that. And it's the same with writing. 392 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:15,440 I actually, I've been in Australia for several weeks and I, before I came to Sydney, I had this 393 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:21,120 beautiful apartment on a beach and my intention was to come out and write. And I came out as, 394 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,040 I'm going to write. And each morning I was waking up, I've got to write. And that was actually 395 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:31,840 shutting me down. And in the end, I actually allowed the muse to take over. And it was, 396 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,320 when I was least expecting it, just, I just thought, I'm just going to journal. I'm just 397 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,280 going to free flow. And then I wrote down a lot of, I think some really good stuff that I can keep 398 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,160 working with, but I think it's, it's letting go, as you say, of the ego. And that's again, so as 399 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,400 we've said about, I mean, maybe it's different, maybe there's more head than heart in being a 400 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:55,920 pilot. But when you're singing, you definitely feel that that muse is coming through you. 401 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:01,360 Yeah. There's kind of two theories to it. I had dinner, I was very fortunate to have dinner with 402 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,640 an author, Bryce Courtney. He wrote The Power of One, Tandia, Tom Owen Hawke. He's one of 403 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:12,640 Australia's most prolific authors. He was a South African gent that moved out to Australia. And I 404 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,320 was sitting down with him at dinner, because I had, I was young and I wanted to be an author 405 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,840 at some stage. And I said, so tell me about your writing process and tell me how much of what you 406 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:28,880 write do you use? And he said, well, I just write every day. And I said, so do you, does the muse 407 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,120 come to you? No, I just sit down and write every day. And I said, well, how much of your writing 408 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:39,680 do you use? And he said, oh, it's maybe only 10%. Now that guy started writing after he retired 409 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:45,840 from full-time work. He'd had a full career in advertising and the books that he's written would 410 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:52,480 take up more than an arm span on a bookshelf. So the amount of writing that came out of him later 411 00:37:52,480 --> 00:38:00,640 in his life is extraordinary. So that's one, I guess, approach to art and writing. Like he just 412 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:06,000 punched it out and then found the gold in the 10%. But like you're saying, some artists just 413 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,840 learn how to let the muse visit. I think when it becomes very technical, I think you can see that 414 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:20,960 and it becomes turgid, like in writing. I'm doing writing a book at the moment and I am editing and 415 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:27,680 editing and editing. And I was speaking to a mentor who said, you know, you've got to stop. 416 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:34,080 You have this either fear of success or fear of failure, which is stopping you from actually 417 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:40,320 putting it forward. So it's the thing of, okay, what we were talking yesterday, what was it? It 418 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:48,320 was motion over motivation. So the motion before motivation or leading one thing to the other. 419 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,640 Yeah. So a lot of people think you've got to be motivated before you start, but quite often it's 420 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:58,400 just starting and then the motivation catches up. When you're an artist, I remember going to life 421 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:03,840 drawing classes and I was really terrible because I was really trying to measure everything. And then 422 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,320 we were doing those two minute portraits or 30 second portraits and I was really good. 423 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,680 So because there's no time to let your brain interfere and then my proportions, everything. 424 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:18,160 And it was like, oh, these are really cool. But then we slowed down and did a two hour portrait. 425 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:23,040 No, no, no, no, no. Good. So yeah, sometimes you just have to let it get out of your own way. 426 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:23,920 Yeah. For Sean. 427 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:33,120 I've loved hearing your story. I think we could do four or five of these and go more into depth. 428 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:38,000 You're an extraordinary woman, Julia. I've heard a lot about you. So it's so lovely to meet you in 429 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:46,480 person. Like the amazing Captain Michelle, you are a polymath and I look forward to hearing all of 430 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,280 the wonderful things that you end up doing and producing in the future. Thank you so much. Thank 431 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:59,520 you for coming on and sharing. I think you're wonderful. No, you are. I love you more. I love 432 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,720 you the most. All right. So I'll sign off all these two. Continue looking lovingly into their 433 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:11,760 eyes. Bollinger, where are you? Yeah. Come on. And Lint. Seriously. At least we've got the car wash 434 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:21,200 kit. Yes. Thank you again, Julia. Thank you. Well, that was fun. That was fun. You're such a clown. 435 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:38,720 Thanks, man. Lady cat. And who's going to listen to this? Maybe I'm not. Thanks, man.