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G'day leaders, in this podcast with my very deep voice, I have to talk like this because

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I lost my voice yesterday and if I try and talk in the higher register, I just lose it.

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So bear with me.

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We've got some exciting news in this podcast.

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We share that Michelle is about to do a TED Talk at the TEDx conference coming up.

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Very exciting news.

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We decided to talk about some skills around presenting and public speaking.

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So we share some do's and don'ts and where we have had challenges in the past and how

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we've overcome them.

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Enjoy.

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Why did it count backwards?

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Oh no, we're now recording.

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What?

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Hello Captain.

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What do I say?

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Come fly with me, let's fly, let's fly away.

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What are we going to talk about?

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I don't know.

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So leadership, life and everything else.

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Yeah.

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Pardoned, we're live.

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No, we're recording.

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And I'm going to be having a very deep voice in this podcast, Michelle, because yesterday

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I lost my voice completely and only the lower register has come back.

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And when I try to talk up high, I lose my voice.

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You'll have to bear with me through this one.

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But I thought it's a great opportunity to do a podcast because a very exciting thing

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is going to be happening very soon.

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You're going to be doing a TED Talk.

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Yes, I know.

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I'm very excited to share my idea with the world, upcoming TED Talk this week, five days

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to go.

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Yes, very exciting.

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And we're talking about how your preparation for this TED Talk is very different to your

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preparation for your typical keynotes.

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I was actually feeling quite stressed about it.

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And my mum reminded me, Michelle, listen to your podcast that you've done.

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Let it go.

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But it is a little different, the process.

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And yeah, that's why we wanted to talk about it.

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We're up here in Darwin at the moment.

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And we've done a couple of workshops and keynotes.

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And people have asked us or have mentioned that their number one fear is public speaking,

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which is the global number one fear amongst humans, it seems to be.

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Yes, followed by death.

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And we have been asking for some tips and tricks.

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And then we were discussing last night about how the preparation for the TED Talk has been

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very different to how we both normally prepare for keynotes.

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Oh, sorry, I'll have to talk deep again because I'm going to go down to this register so I

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can actually talk.

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Because your typical preparation for a keynote is that you don't write out word for word

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what you're going to say.

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I don't have a script.

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So my normal keynote is structure, based on structure, and the messaging that the organization

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want the audience to take away and how they want them to feel.

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So you go through and you work through the structure.

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But you know your own stories.

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You know your own cadence, et cetera.

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So you don't write it out word for word.

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And in fact, we teach this in the presentation skills workshop that you should never write

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out word for word what you want to say because then your brain thinks it has to go exactly

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like that, which puts under your pressure on you.

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Now, regrettably, with the TED Talk, you have to write it out word for word and you have

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to do it like that because they need to go over and fact check it before they give you

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the green light to do it, don't they?

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So it is word for word.

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We have been told that the occasional and or so or the filler words, they can be changed.

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The challenge with that is that you don't want to come across as a rehearsed script

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It actually reminded me of the last time I got nervous speaking.

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I've been speaking my whole career and I don't get nervous.

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I love doing it.

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looking forward to it.

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good friend.

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He's been there for me when I've needed someone all throughout my life.

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We've known each other since year seven in high school.

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You were in the circus together, right?

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We were in the circus together.

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He was the actual clown.

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I was kind of like a part time clown because I was also an acrobat and juggler.

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But I was preparing for his wedding speech, the best man speech and I wrote out word for

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word what I wanted to say because I put all this pressure on myself thinking, you know,

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this is a very big moment in his life, in my life and it has to be perfect.

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More nervous than the groom.

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I could feel it.

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is I'd written it out word for word.

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So what I did is I just got a pen.

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I underlined the key ideas.

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I then wrote those key ideas into a list.

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I then memorized that list and on the night and this is going to sound like bragging and

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it is, I gave the best speech of my life.

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I had the audience in tears.

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I had the audience laughing.

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I had moments where you could hear a pin drop and it was exactly what I wanted from my mate.

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I wanted it to go perfectly, but it wasn't until I took the pressure off myself of having

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it written out word for word.

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And so I just spoke to these ideas rather than a speech written out word for word, which

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is what you're going through at the moment.

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Yeah, so that list that you wrote was basically the structure.

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You knew in what order.

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But we have been supported through this process with the speakers for TEDx because they've

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been giving us ideas and tips for memorizing paragraphs and then the flow and keywords

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from the last paragraph which prompt the next paragraph, et cetera, which I'm sure actors

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use all the time and they're very good at it.

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It's just a different process.

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So I'm looking at it as, okay, this is something new.

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I've not done this before.

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I was in plays and things growing up, but it wasn't, I don't know, the pressure didn't

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seem to be there.

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bucket list for a long time.

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Oh, it has.

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Honestly, I am very, very excited and feeling very grateful.

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Five days ago, counting down, the excitement is building and I'm just so excited to listen

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to the other speakers as well.

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I was there when we were all doing our drafts and they're just, oh, they're even hearing

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those, some of their talks have inspired me already to change how I see things.

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So it's, yeah, very exciting.

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I'm looking forward to it, I'm going to be sitting in the audience, rah-rah-ing and cheering.

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Awesome, what a great opportunity.

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It reminded us, and we've been speaking a bit about what we teach people in the presentation

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skills course and public speaking courses about how to connect with your audience.

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And we were last night talking about the importance of storytelling.

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And so I'm not going to give away your TED talk here, but I love the story.

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One of the stories that you're going to be sharing in that and why, for me, it's just

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so engaging because when you tell that story, I picture it in my mind.

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And it is the easiest way to share information with people is just to tell a story.

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Yeah, and those of you who are in speaking or looking at getting into speaking or need

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a presentation may be aware that storytelling is how you do it.

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However, I was discussing with you last night that maybe the storytelling, the story was

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not enough around the subject.

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However, you were saying there are different ways, often a light story can get the audience

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to be more receptive to an idea than a heavy hitting dark deep story because it's too much

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sometimes and you can get lost in the story without the messaging coming through.

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Without applying it to yourself.

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Because yeah, we were talking about you had to hear that the story element of your of

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your speeches is not a deep story.

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It's an exciting story, but it's not a deep story.

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And I said, well, sometimes we need light stories.

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Sometimes we need deep stories.

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Sometimes we need stories that elicit a laugh.

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Sometimes we need stories that elicit emotion.

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The other day we had tears in the audience with the key with both our keynotes.

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And we do that not to make people cry, but to elicit a deep, deep emotional response

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so that when we pick them back up after that moment in the story in the keynote, that we've

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got a strong message to deliver.

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And that's that's that's why I was so impressed with your with your keynote.

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The other day we had a room full of young apprentices.

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And so you had this beautiful story that you tell.

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And I won't tell it here, but you move people.

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You really move people.

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And after you finished, I then got up to talk about changing behavior.

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And because we just heard your keynote and they were in that that really deep emotional space.

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When I was doing my part, and that is to elicit a change in their behavior around certain things,

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it was just so easy because you'd taken them on that emotional journey.

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So it was very, very impressive, Michelle.

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Thank you, Guy.

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And you know, I'm your biggest fan, but it's it's it's it's it's what's the word?

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It's warranted.

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You're a very gifted speaker.

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to keep down here in this low register, otherwise I just can't make any sound.

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We're talking about the spotlight again, because a lot of people worry about when they're on

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stage that they're in the spotlight.

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So people we often think or feel like people are judging us and that the spotlight is on

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are judging us and people are looking at us.

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We get up on stage and they look at us initially in our first line or two.

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You know, they're looking at you.

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then are listening to the words and putting themselves in that story.

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So changing your mindset from the spotlight being on you to being a lighthouse where you're

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casting out the vision, the story and they're putting themselves in it.

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You can see, you can actually see if you take the time to look at the audience and look

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at people's faces, that look, they're looking at you, but they're not really seeing you

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because they're in their mind and they're going through the story.

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They're either watching the story or they're in the story.

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your own insecurities, but also then control how they see the story.

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You can see how your words, the cadence, the pauses, the emphasis can really help them

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with their being in their story.

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And I'll give our audience an example of this.

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Okay, so I'm speaking directly to you now, the audience who are listening to us.

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Have you ever been to Melbourne and sat in one of those wonderful cafes that they have

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in the laneways in the city and just sat there and admired the ambience and the wonderful

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coffee that they have in Melbourne?

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What a brilliant experience when you get to go to a different city and enjoy the culture

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of that city.

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All right, there you go.

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There's an example.

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So whilst I was saying that, I guarantee you, the majority of you listening who have been

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to Melbourne would have placed yourself back in the cafe that you're in and you weren't

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even focusing on me and this horrible deep voice that I've got at the moment.

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You were thinking about your experience.

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You were putting my words into your brain and turning it into your own experience.

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people aren't actually paying attention to you, believe it or not.

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head than they are thinking about you.

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And so Michelle's analogy of being a lighthouse is very apt because when you're speaking and

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people are listening and you're telling stories and you're using descriptive words, people

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take themselves to those locations and no longer do they even notice that you're the

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one in front of them giving them that information.

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There's also another trick that I was told a while ago that if, despite that, if you're

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trying to change your mindset and you're not quite there yet, if you feel like you're shaking

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from nerves, change it to shaking with excitement.

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However, if you're still shaking and you don't want to be shaking, clench your buttocks.

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You said this yesterday in front of our class and I was laughing because you've never said

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this to me before.

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I've never tried it but I'll try it next time.

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I don't actually experience nerves on stage but I might just try to for the fun of it.

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Yeah, because you concentrate, you're putting your muscles, you're tensing up and you're

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putting your muscles into the derriere region.

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I'm not sure if it's good for the glutes and you'll get a perkier butt at the end.

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But it does help kind of stop the nerves.

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One other thing that we were talking to our students about, and you mentioned it just

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before, is a pause.

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Many people when they're presenting or speaking, they fill the gaps with ums and ahs.

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Yes, verbal clots.

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And the reason why they do that is because they think that talking is a constant stream

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of sound and if you go silent then the attention is on you.

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The opposite is true.

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When you go silent and you emphasise that full stop at the end of a sentence, people

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are in their own head processing the last thing that you said.

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They're not focusing on the fact that you're not talking.

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You're actually using that gift that you've just given them, the gift of silence, to process

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the last thing that you said.

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And very inexperienced presenters and speakers, you often see them, they're rushing and they

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don't give the audience a chance to process the last thing that they've heard.

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And so if you're speaking or presenting, the way you do this is that you focus on the full

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stop.

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So when you're talking, you think, all right, I'm coming up to the end of my sentence and

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when I finish my sentence, I'm going to stop.

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And the gap between that stop and the next sentence is a gift for your audience to process

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the last thing that you said.

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And that's how you get rid of the ums and ahs.

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You basically, and I even do it in my head as if I'm putting a pencil on a piece of paper

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and I do the dot on the end of the sentence.

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It just reminds me constantly that audiences need silence.

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And if you don't give them the silence, it's impossible for them to discriminate between

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one idea and the next idea.

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It's like it all blends in and makes it difficult to listen.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, that's great.

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Yes.

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The full stop.

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The full stop.

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The visual full stop in your mind.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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I'm very excited to watch your upcoming TED Talk.

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Congratulations on being selected and I believe you're the closing speaker on the night as

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well.

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Yes.

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Yeah, they've asked you to close it out.

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So I get to hear everyone else's first, which is amazing.

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I'm very excited.

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Yeah.

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But it's kudos to you that they listened to you in your rehearsals and they want you to

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finish up the night.

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So congratulations.

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Thank you.

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And I'm looking forward to it.

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We might not go too much longer with this very croaky voice.

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I'll keep it deep as I sign off.

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All right.

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So Lindt.

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Yes.

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Bose.

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Bollinger.

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Where are you?

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We've mentioned you every single podcast and we still haven't had the phone call.

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Come on.

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Looking for us?

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No, we're not looking for a sponsor.

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We're just mucking around here.

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More dogs.

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More dogs.

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Yep.

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The world will be a better place with more dogs.

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And the people that say no more dogs are cat people.

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Good to see you again and good luck on your TED Talk.

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Thanks, guys.

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Cheers.

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Bye.

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Well, that was fun.

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That was fun.

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You're such a clown.

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Thanks, my old captain.

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Lady captain.

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And who's going to listen to this?

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Maybe our mums.

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Thanks, mum.