1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,200 G'day listeners. In this episode we're discussing a concept that Guy had heard a little while ago, 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:15,840 I've just come across, and it's pronoia, the opposite of paranoia. So yeah, it's a bit of fun. 3 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:20,080 Enjoy. Why do it count backwards? Are they? We're now recording. 4 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,120 What? Hello Captain. 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:31,120 What do I say? Come fly with me, let's fly, let's fly away. 6 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:38,640 What are we going to talk about? I don't know. So leadership, life and everything else. 7 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,880 And we're live. Now we're recording. 8 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:54,880 About pronoia. Yeah. I love this concept. So we've all heard of paranoia. Paranoia is, 9 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:02,480 I guess, worrying that the universe is conspiring against you. But there's this brilliant book out 10 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:10,400 there written by? Rob Bresney. Rob Bresney. Rob Bresney. Pronoia. Yes. Where the concept is 11 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:17,040 similar to a motto that you and I both share, that the universe is conspiring to help you, to work 12 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:22,800 with you rather than against you. And what a brilliant concept. The universe has a crush on you. 13 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:32,880 Oh, I like that one. Oh, look at you, Michelle. Is it the universe? Yeah. Absolutely. But it all 14 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:39,760 ties into, you know, a lot of people, when I was first starting to study all of this sort of stuff, 15 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:45,360 30, 40 years ago, you know, they got sick of hearing, oh, positive thinking, positive thinking. 16 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:50,880 But it's so much deeper than just positive thinking, isn't it? So have we spoken about 17 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:57,680 the car park? I'm pretty sure we have. And I heard you say it in a workshop the other day, 18 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:03,200 and you drew it on the board and you said, here's a car park. So a person who is more the glass is 19 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:10,480 half empty person goes into the car park thinking there are no car parks. It's always hard to get a 20 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:15,120 car park and they'll drive around and they'll get to that one car park. And then they'll go, 21 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:22,480 oh, finally, it was so hard to get here. Now, we and others who have the same belief that, 22 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:30,000 you know, everything always works out for us. And we use, I use Kookaburra and my kids, we declare 23 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:35,680 Kookaburra and Kookaburra, we always find a car park. It's our belief. So we'll drive around in 24 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:41,840 that same car park on the same day, exactly the same time. And we will get to that same spot. 25 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,160 However, we'll be like, yeah, see, Kookaburra provided, we've got a car spot. 26 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:52,320 And your experience is very, very different. So that's when we heard about this book and Pro 27 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:59,360 Noya, we realized that that's what we're doing. We're of the belief that the universe is conspiring 28 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:04,000 to provide everything that we want and need and that everything will work out for us. So 29 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:12,240 I think Pro Noya was originally from, I don't know where I read this, but years ago, 30 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:18,480 I think I heard that it was the condition of being deluded that everyone fancies you sort of thing. 31 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,600 Maybe, oh, I don't know. It's scratching around in my memory somewhere, but forget about that. 32 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:31,360 But regardless, the concept is that if you have a firm belief that the universe is conspiring for 33 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:38,640 you, it helps you rewrite everything, such as adversity, challenging times, things that you 34 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:43,600 don't necessarily think are going your way when you eventually come through them at the other end. 35 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,320 If you have this Pro Noya mindset, when you get through the other end, you go, oh, 36 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:54,320 how cool. All of those obstacles I just had to jump over were there to get me to this point. 37 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,200 And I wouldn't be at this point if those obstacles weren't there. 38 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,400 When you said delusional, my mind went straight to, it's like a Mr. Bean movie. 39 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:10,480 He's got all these things happening around him, but he's just like happy, oblivious, 40 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,880 and like, oh, there's this, you know, something lands in his hand after the explosion that he 41 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,760 caused, you know, five scenes ago. And it's like, oh, thank you. 42 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:22,800 That's, yeah, it's to me a bit Inspector Cluesaw. 43 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:25,040 That's right. 44 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:32,320 So I guess we don't want to imply that you have to be ignorant and stupid for this to work for you, 45 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,800 because I don't think, I certainly don't think you're ignorant and stupid. And I hope I'm not, 46 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,320 Michelle. Well, I found that... 47 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,840 Reaffirm me here, please. You're not, you're not. Absolutely, you're not. No. 48 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:47,920 I found the title of the book. So it's, uh, Pro Noia is the antidote for paranoia, 49 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:52,880 how the whole world is conspiring to shower you with blessings by Rob Bresne. 50 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:58,560 Shower you with blessings. Because even the challenge, I know we harp on this, 51 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,600 but even the challenging moments in our life are blessings. 52 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:11,200 Yeah. So some, what I say in anti-fragility keynote is that not in spite of the hard times, 53 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,280 have you grown stronger? It's because of the hard times that you've grown stronger. So 54 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:20,320 that's, that's the obstacles, uh, the way, which, uh, Ryan, hold on. 55 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,080 The obstacle is the way. 56 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,040 That's right. 57 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,720 What is it? There's so many great books out there at the moment about this topic, 58 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:32,880 because I think it's about time that we started to go back to positive thinking. 59 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,160 Rather than the victim card. It's like, hang on, that's my superpower. 60 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,320 Isn't that being thrown around these days, the victim card. It's, it's like 61 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,800 everyone has been given permission to be a victim lately, which is fine. You're allowed to, 62 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,560 if you want to be a victim, by all means be a victim. I've been there, we've both been there, 63 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:54,080 but it's an awful state to be in that you're sitting there, uh, whinging about the state 64 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:59,440 of things and what is happening to you rather than for you and all that sort of stuff. 65 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:04,880 And there's been a shift over the last decade or so. We've moved, we've moved towards a very 66 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:11,920 much a victim mindset. The world isn't safe for me. The world isn't set up so that I can flourish. 67 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,440 And well, the world, the world isn't safe. No, it's never been safe. 68 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:21,520 No, that's right. And, and so, um, and you've said it before with, uh, again, in one of your 69 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:27,040 workshops, the expectation that we go out into traffic, for example, and we get frustrated 70 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:32,160 that there's traffic. So our initial expectation is that somehow there will be no traffic on 71 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:38,720 Victoria road ever. And so when we go to Victoria road and where there's traffic, we're frustrated. 72 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,640 It's like, there's, there's a bit of a mismatch between reality and expectation. 73 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,960 It is because you can't be stressed without an expectation. So when I'm the first move to Sydney, 74 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,720 I thought, oh, Sydney traffic is a nightmare. So I drive like an idiot, just like everyone else, 75 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,600 impatiently honking horns and stuff like that. And then had the realization that traffic's just 76 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,600 an opportunity to do something I enjoy. So I listened to podcasts, stand up comedians and 77 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:05,440 audio books, and I learn and laugh in traffic. And now I love traffic. Yeah. Because I'm getting 78 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:10,880 to do something that I enjoy doing and I need time to do it. And why not do it in the car? But yeah, 79 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:16,880 like you just said, the underlying expectation that was causing my frustration. So when I'm sitting 80 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:22,320 there thinking, oh, Sydney traffic is a nightmare. The underlying expectation is that there is no 81 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:27,840 traffic. And never will be every time you go out on the road. I can get into a car and go wherever 82 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:33,360 I want without traffic because I am a god. It's like, it's that sort of mindset. And it's pathetic 83 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:38,880 that we do this to ourselves. We create all of this stress in our heads because we have 84 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:44,400 expectations that we haven't really analyzed where they're coming from. It's like a kid not 85 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,880 cleaning up their room and we get stressed about it because the underlying expectation is that kids 86 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:55,840 walk into a messy room and aren't overwhelmed by the magnitude of the task that's ahead of them. 87 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:02,080 You know, we have brains that can compartmentalize all things. Sometimes I can overwhelm by this. 88 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,720 Very true. We all do. But kids, it's even worse because they haven't learned the skills. So 89 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,200 the expectation is what's causing the stress. The expectation that a child can think and 90 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:17,120 perform tasks the way we do instead of having the beautiful patience of somebody that works 91 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,800 in a childcare centre. Like, have you met those people working childcare centres and how they 92 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:29,040 have this incredible patience for kids? They're the best parents. They are. 93 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:37,840 So pro noya, I think is the opposite. So again, it's a mindset, obviously, which I love mindsets. 94 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:43,120 But it's that I think we have an element of this already. We just haven't labelled it. 95 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,560 No. Well, now we've got a new term. I love this. Pro noya. 96 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:48,960 And if I'm slightly delusional, that's okay as well. 97 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:56,000 Well, I have no problem with being delusional if delusional improves your life and contributes 98 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:02,560 to you being a better person. Yeah, I used to think I was, you know, I've grown up with 99 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:09,600 karma. Karma will get them. Karma will get them. I always thought, oh, is that a, because karma's bad. 100 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,680 If karma comes at you, then karma's bad. But there's good karma as well. 101 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:15,360 And then I had this- What goes around comes around. 102 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:20,480 That's it. And then I had this thought, well, hang on, what if they're idiots and they don't 103 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:27,440 even know that there's, so who's the, it's me. So everyone's responsible for their own emotions 104 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:34,000 and what they take out of it. You can't expect the other person. My stepdad says, he always quotes 105 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:40,000 Confucius, it's on the internet, so it must be true, but about man who seeks revenge digs two 106 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:48,480 graves, not one. Yes. Or doesn't, anyway, yeah. Yeah. And it's true because if you expect, oh, 107 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:53,360 karma will come and get them, you know, if they've wronged you and then you expect that something bad 108 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,840 will happen to them because of their conscience. The thing is if they don't think it's bad, there's 109 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:04,240 no nothing, you know, and so, and it's then eating yourself up. You've actually just kind of hit, 110 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,040 not a nerve, it's not, that's the wrong term because that sounds like you've annoyed me. 111 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:14,160 You've reminded me of something that, that was, that every time I think about it and myself, 112 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:19,360 it hits my own, I'm hitting my own nerve, was my inability to forgive when I was young. 113 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:26,400 Ah, okay. Yeah. So I, I don't know why, I don't know why, but I had this inability to forgive 114 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:35,200 and that's exactly what your stepdad is saying, that I carried around, that was punishing me, 115 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,840 that, that inability to forgive. You know, people, you don't have to, when you, when you forgive, 116 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:45,520 you don't actually have to think, oh, what they did was okay. But it's just, it's just putting it 117 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:53,360 down. It's not carrying it around and, oh, I just kicked out our microphone stands. So it's, it's, 118 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:58,160 yeah, not, not carrying that stress around and forgiveness isn't for the other person, 119 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:04,400 forgiveness is for you. So if we can be a little bit Mr. Bean. Yeah. So what is it, 120 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:10,720 what, what someone thinks of you is none of your business. So if you let it go and, and 121 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:18,240 bring out your inner Mr. Bean and walk through like little bombs going off behind you. 122 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:26,000 I saw something hilarious before Rowan Atkinson and Mr. Bean. I was watching this video online 123 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,160 and it was Rowan Atkinson's voice. They had a little picture of his head at first 124 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:36,560 and, and then the life advice that was coming out of him was extraordinary. And, and it was all the 125 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:42,080 stuff that I, I've been hearing over the years, but it was said with his voice, Rowan Atkinson's, 126 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:49,200 Mr. Bean, wasn't it Mr. Bean's voice? Cause he doesn't have a voice. No, no, no, actually that's 127 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:56,800 right. And so I'm listening to Rowan Atkinson cause he, I adore him. I think he's, he's one of 128 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:03,920 the most talented individuals on our planet. And I'm sitting there really enjoying this life advice 129 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:08,960 from Rowan Atkinson that I noticed down the bottom of the video. This is all AI generated. 130 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:16,480 Wow. Oh, and it made me sad that, that, because I, I would think that Rowan Atkinson would have, 131 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,720 if he was in person and I was talking to him, he would have said those things. Cause that's 132 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:25,120 the sort of human, I've always seen him in interviews as I've always held him in high regard. 133 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:30,800 And so it, it matched, it matched the person that I perceive him to be. And so I'm listening 134 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:35,680 to all this beautiful life advice. And then when I saw AI, I went, ah, this is not fair. We can't 135 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:42,640 do this. We can't take beautiful sayings, beautiful quotes, then use AI to say it in somebody's voice 136 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:47,680 who didn't say it in the first place, ascribe it to them just so that we can get hits online. 137 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:52,320 It actually grated on me a little bit. Now I'm curious, was it more like Black Adder voice? No, 138 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:59,760 no, no, no, no. It was Rowan Atkinson's interview voice. I think it was imagine what I was imagining 139 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:06,640 because there wasn't a visual of him doing it. I imagined him at a university doing a commencement 140 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:14,320 speech or I imagined him giving some wise advice to an audience on stage. And I was in it because 141 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:20,560 his voice is just brilliant. Could you, could you rewire that, that, okay, annoying that it's AI, 142 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:26,560 however, it made you feel good. And you still felt respect for Rowan Atkinson. That's right. 143 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:31,760 You still felt respect. We still feel respect for Rowan Atkinson. So the messages themselves were 144 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:37,360 great. Rowan Atkinson is great. Put two great things together. Why am I annoyed? I guess I'm 145 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:44,240 annoyed because of an expectation that only the source of the knowledge can give me the knowledge. 146 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:50,640 Maybe that's it. That's a bit silly, isn't it? Because we quote, we quote other people. Badly 147 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:56,000 on my case. Yeah, in my case. But we pass on wisdom. A lot of people over the years have said, 148 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,800 Guy, what do you do? I said, I'm the conduit of other people's wisdom. Yeah. Just simply passing 149 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:06,560 on the wisdom that I've collected from other people along my journey. And so yeah, where's 150 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:12,720 the resistance to an AI generated bot using his voice to share the wisdom that will help people 151 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,760 in life? I think I need to adjust my mindset, Michelle. Okay. 152 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:26,880 Pronoia. Pronoia. So the thought that the universe is conspiring to help you for everything to work 153 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:34,720 out for you. What a better way to look at it. Because if you leave your front door in the morning 154 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:42,080 with pronoia and set that mindset, everything that's going to happen to me today is the universe 155 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:46,960 conspiring to help me. So you get in a traffic jam, right? This is one I've had before. I like 156 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,440 this one. So you get in a traffic jam and you think to yourself, your first reaction might be, 157 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:57,200 oh, I'm going to be late. But then if you have pronoia, your mind might run away. And mine has 158 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:04,720 run away before. It might run away to this. Well, if this traffic jam wasn't here and traffic was 159 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:13,200 flowing a bit more freely, I may have got onto the highway earlier. And then I might have been in the 160 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:18,720 right place at the right time for a truck that wasn't paying attention to hit me. And I might 161 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:23,440 have been in an accident. This is the universe slowing me down because there may have been 162 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:28,400 calamity. Now that's a weird thing to do, right? No, well, that's like the burnt toast theory. 163 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,400 What's the burnt toast theory? The same thing, a similar thing where you burn your toast in the 164 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:37,360 morning. So you've got to do it again, which has delayed you. But ultimately that has changed your 165 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:42,960 timeline. And so it's kept you out of harm's way because it slowed you down. 166 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:52,480 I like that. I've never heard that. Okay. So I've always used the traffic bus truck crash theory. 167 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,800 That's that. Well, that's, I didn't hear it or read it. That was created in my mind one day when 168 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,960 I let my mind run away. Cause I've always tried to let my mind run away if it's going to go down 169 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,280 positive paths. So you know how you sit there in your daydream and you do what ifs and all that 170 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,520 sort of stuff. If my mind is running down a path, which is a positive path, which I've tried to train 171 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:15,840 it over the years, I'll let it run. Cause I know what's happening is not necessarily reality, 172 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:22,400 but it is changing the way I feel. Whereas on the days where I've let my mind run away down negative 173 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:30,240 paths, again, it's creating an imaginary future where negatives are happening, which are making 174 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:37,600 me feel negative, but it's all a creation. So paranoia might contribute to us daydreaming 175 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:43,920 positive things and finding positivity in the negativity, finding positivity in the adversity. 176 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,240 So you said daydreaming. I've always imagined daydreaming to be positive. 177 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:53,040 Really? Yeah. I've never thought of daydreaming as a negative. 178 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:59,680 Yeah. Daydreaming to me is dreaming, is creativity. It's imagination running away, 179 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,760 right? See a bad daydream, that doesn't compute. 180 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,320 What do you call a bad daydream then? Going down a rabbit hole. 181 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:09,680 Yeah. Which is, well, what's your definition of daydreaming? 182 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:18,320 Imagination, but it's usually a positive. Well, that's because you're a positive person, 183 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:25,440 in a nutshell. But some people imagine negative. And so that's paranoia. That's anxiety. Anxiety 184 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:30,560 is essentially the creative part of your brain, creating negative events in the future. 185 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:38,640 Paranoia is believing that those negative things will happen. But if we can have pronoia, 186 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:45,840 then our daydreams will be more like yours. And if we've got paranoia, our daydreaming will be 187 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,720 the negative experience. Yeah. 188 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,800 Yeah. I like this concept, pronoia. Walk out your front door in the morning, 189 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:58,880 expecting, not expecting, believing that the universe is conspiring for you, not against you, 190 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,840 which is going to allow you to really appreciate the positive things that happen, but also maybe 191 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:09,040 rewrite the negative or the challenges that you'll face. And if you can rewrite them into 192 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:15,440 a lesson, something that you're overcoming or something that's stopping you from a worse 193 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:20,080 calamity, then your experience of life will be a happier one. 194 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:24,240 I like it. What was his name again? The author? 195 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:31,120 Rob Bresney. Rob Bresney. Thank you, Rob, for this concept. I'm going to be toying with this for a 196 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:35,760 while now. I'd like to get the book. I've only read excerpts. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's do that. 197 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,160 Yeah, we'll get the book. We have books arriving at this house, 198 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:45,120 constantly. Daily. The studio. Did I just let out that this studio is a house in which we do a 199 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:51,520 podcast? Yes. All right. Bose. Bollinger. Who's the other one? Blint. Where are you? 200 00:18:54,960 --> 00:19:00,720 Pronoia. Think positive. No. Believe. It's not. The universe, the world has a crush on you. 201 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:06,240 The world, the universe, the universe has a crush on you. Yes. Just like we have a crush on all of 202 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:15,280 you listening. Take care of everyone. Bye. See you, Michelle. Bye. Well, that was fun. That was fun. 203 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:36,640 Such a clown. Lady. And who's going to listen to this? Maybe our moms. Thanks, mom.