1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,440 G'day leaders. In this episode we discuss gratitude and how it is linked to happiness and longevity. Enjoy! 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,040 Why do it count backwards? Oh no, we're now recording. 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,080 What? Hello captain. 4 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:21,600 Come fly with me, let's fly, let's fly. 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:25,760 What are we going to talk about? 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,240 I don't know, so leadership, life and everything else. Yeah. 7 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:42,320 And we're live in Malaysia. No, we're in Malaysia but we're not live. We're recording in Malaysia. 8 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:48,000 Yes. Hey Michelle. Hi guys. How cool is it that we get to be here, working here? How good is life? 9 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:54,320 I know and we just did a cooking class. Yes. And learnt to cook two dishes. Yes, 10 00:00:54,320 --> 00:01:00,480 rendang and a prawn curry. Beef rendang. Yes. And prawn curry and oh my goodness, 11 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,040 we got to eat it afterwards. It was amazing. Very full. 12 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,800 Yeah, super full. While we're doing a podcast on a very full stomach. 13 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:13,920 But it made us think about how grateful we are and so we thought we'd do a podcast on the science 14 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,160 of gratefulness. Yeah, gratitude. 15 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:25,040 Gratitude. Yeah. Absolutely. Because it's a powerful emotion and it can have a really positive 16 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:32,560 impact on our lives. And being grateful can apply to the past, the present and the future. 17 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,480 So grateful for what's happened in the past, grateful for where you are now and grateful for 18 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,520 things that are coming up. Yeah. And also you receive gratefulness when people show 19 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,880 gratitude towards you. Yeah. So you can be grateful for things and people can be grateful for you. 20 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,720 Absolutely. It's got an interesting 21 00:01:52,000 --> 00:02:00,880 origin, gratitude in humans. We had to learn gratitude. So obviously we're not the biggest, 22 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:06,240 strongest animals out there in the forest or out in the savanna. And so we had to learn to work 23 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:13,120 together and they say, well, they, the scientists say that we learned gratitude to show gratitude 24 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:18,000 to other people, which would then trigger reciprocation. So if I did something for you, 25 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,320 you'd do something for me. Would that then build a bond and we get to work together? And without 26 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,840 that gratitude, so if I did something for you and you weren't grateful, I don't want to do it again. 27 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:34,160 Yeah. So the origin of gratitude is to build feelings of, or to trigger reciprocity between 28 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,240 humans so that we work together. Wow. It still applies actually. It does, doesn't it? 29 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:44,160 When you do things for people and they don't necessarily. Say thank you. Yes. You don't want 30 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:49,760 to do it again. No, no. That's right. Yeah. So when you go out to a fancy restaurant and build with you. 31 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,560 Yes. Yeah, we won't go down that path. 32 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:02,880 And there's been lots of studies into the power of being grateful about how it benefits you. So 33 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:09,680 have you read any studies about, about gratefulness and how it relates to certain things? Yes. So I 34 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:16,560 know that it leads to increased happiness. Yes. So just the, the, I'm going to call it the art of 35 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:25,520 being grateful. So appreciating what you have, where you are, what you, where you've been, 36 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:32,800 contributes to the personal mental state of happiness. Yeah. So you can imagine like, 37 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:38,240 the last time you were extremely happy, more often than not, it's related to the experience 38 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:43,280 that you're having and generally something nice is happening and you feel grateful for it and that 39 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:48,320 triggers the happiness. That's right. And then when you, you have that memory again, it, you can bring 40 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:53,360 it back up. That's right. And you feel happy again. The smell, the sound, the taste. Yeah. 41 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:59,920 So I've read studies that show that, that grateful people tend to fall asleep faster. They have 42 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:07,280 a better quality sleep and they're less fatigued during the day. Oh, I need to get some more 43 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:12,320 gratitude on, I think. I think you've been telling yourself you're a bad sleep ever since you were a 44 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,640 pilot because you were always worried about not waking up on time. True. I only ever slept through 45 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:22,720 the alarm once. Once? Once. What happened on that day? Well, I had to catch a cab to the airport 46 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:29,120 after everyone else, of course. So yeah, yes, it made me paranoid. I can imagine. Yeah. So walk me 47 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:34,880 through that. So you're, you're an airline captain and you know that you're the one at the pointy end 48 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:39,360 flying the plane. So that would put no doubt a bit of a fear in you that you're not going to 49 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:44,880 wake up on time. Waking up to the sound of crewing calling you is not pleasant. I could imagine it, 50 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:54,480 wouldn't it? And I think that is the origin of your, not great sleep. Possibly. Yeah. Well, 51 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:59,760 you're not flying now, Michelle. No. You should be grateful and you'll get better sleep. That's right. 52 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:05,200 You don't have to wake up and, you know, and be at the pointy end of a big metal tube and get everyone 53 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:13,360 there safely. True. I am very grateful. Yeah. So I know you've got some more things about gratitude. 54 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:19,200 Yeah. No, I love the, because I'm constantly, constantly talking to the kids about this, 55 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,840 about being grateful and doing a list of things that you're grateful for. But so many studies, 56 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:28,720 there's, over the last 10, 20 years, there's been a lot of studies into gratefulness and it's been 57 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:37,120 linked to better heart health, things like lower blood pressure, reduces inflammation. What else 58 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:42,720 does it do? Reduces depression because obviously it triggers happiness. Yeah. Increased self-esteem. 59 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:47,760 Oh yes. And I'm trying to find the link there because I do a lot of work on confidence and 60 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:54,000 self-esteem and the, you know, how to build it, how to achieve it. And I'm trying to find where the 61 00:05:54,000 --> 00:06:00,960 self-esteem comes from. And I guess. Could it be with happiness that maybe smiling or a brighter 62 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:08,000 outlook, which physically you are more upright and therefore you have the confidence and self-esteem? 63 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:14,000 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I see where you're going there. I like that. I like that. Because if you think 64 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,320 about it, when you're grateful, you're saying, Hey, I've got everything I need. I've got what I 65 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:24,240 want. You know, you're developing a mindset of an abundance mindset. A cup runneth over. 66 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:29,760 A cup runneth over. I like that. And so when you have that mindset that your cup runneth over, 67 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:34,960 you have everything you want, you have everything you need. Subconsciously, your brain is now 68 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:41,120 thinking, well, I'm safe. I've got everything I need. So why stress now? Yeah. Yeah. But when 69 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:47,360 you're always worried, you know, you're clawing for what you don't have and you've got a scarcity 70 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,920 mindset, that then tells your subconscious that you're in danger because there's something that's 71 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:58,720 missing or lacking from your life. So you then stress probably to give you the energy to go out 72 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:05,600 and get what it is that you're lacking. And so that then leads to those feelings of, I guess, 73 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:13,360 depression and the opposite of feeling satisfied and happy. Well, I read a quote by Michael J. 74 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:20,560 Fox saying that with gratitude, optimism is sustainable. Oh, I like that. Yeah. I love 75 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:28,560 his mindset that you see him in interviews and obviously he's been, how long has he had 76 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:35,440 Parkinson's now for? It's quite some time. Yeah. I remember seeing him in the 80s in Family Ties. 77 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:42,240 He's a fantastic, I loved him in a movie. The movie's name will come to me. Back to the Future. 78 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,720 Secret of My Success or something. Did you remember that one? Was it The Secret of My Success? 79 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:52,000 Where he clawed his way up from the mail room in our company all the way up to... Anyway. 80 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,560 Doesn't really matter. Great Michael J. Fox movie. 81 00:07:54,560 --> 00:08:00,800 Right. But yeah, but he's got a very positive outlook on life. He's very grateful and 82 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:10,400 you can tell it comes across in the interviews. Optimism can be hard to sustain if you're 83 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:19,360 surrounded by naysayers or things aren't going as well as what you wanted. So it can be challenging 84 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:25,760 on your mindset, but then if you keep thinking about what you're grateful for, that will keep 85 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:30,400 you on track. Yeah. And that's why they say that you've really got to be careful about the people 86 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,960 you surround yourself with because if you surround yourself with the naysayers, like you say, 87 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:39,840 that you become one of them. You get dragged into the environment that you spend a lot of time in. 88 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:46,080 So I love the fact that we surround ourselves with positive people. We've got some very positive 89 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:52,560 friends and positive neighbors who lift you up. And when you surround yourself with people who 90 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:58,080 lift you up rather than drag you down, it's easy to feel grateful, isn't it? Yeah. Well, 91 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:04,080 the power of gratitude, it changes your default attitude. So you meet some people and they're 92 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:14,000 constantly down like glasses half empty. Then if you have practice gratitude daily or weekly, 93 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:20,000 monthly, whenever you can, then your default attitude is one of optimism and gratitude 94 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:25,840 rather than looking for the worst. Can you remind me, we'll come back to this later. Well, 95 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:31,840 actually we'll talk about it now, about the frequency of gratitude. I have in the past tried 96 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:36,400 to do gratitude on a daily basis, like write down a list of things that you're grateful for. 97 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:42,880 And I found it doing it daily, a chore. But when you do it every week or every two weeks, 98 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:48,640 frequently. Yeah. If you do it frequently, but not daily, it becomes easier because you've actually 99 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,360 got more to think back on, more to go back on. But if you do it every day, you go, what happened 100 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:58,160 today? And it almost becomes like a chore. And I recently read that that is the case, that they've 101 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,800 shown that people who try to do gratitude daily struggle, people who do it weekly find it really 102 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,800 easy because you've got a whole seven days to think about. It's important though, not just to 103 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:12,240 wait for major milestones to be grateful. So appreciate the fact that you've had a whole 104 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:18,800 week of eating dinner at the table with the kids or you got to go sailing or whatever it is. 105 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:27,120 Not that sailing's an everyday thing, but just all the things that you do, you're able to do it. 106 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:33,520 My daughter just got her braces off. She'll be very grateful for that. I remember when I got mine 107 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,920 off. That's a big day in a young child's life. Well, I had it done in my twenties. 108 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:45,920 Yeah. But it's, yeah, if you maybe even set aside a day in the week that becomes your grateful day. 109 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:52,960 Yeah. I know. Fridays, Sundays. Yeah. A lot of people grateful that it's Friday. 110 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:02,160 Well, we're coming up to the holiday seasons and that tends to be when most people show their 111 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:08,560 gratitude and et cetera. But it can also be a time, especially in the holiday season, where 112 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:15,040 other emotions come up because there's disappointment, there's loneliness. 113 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,920 People can be in a lower state because there's a lot of celebration around and if they're not 114 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:34,240 in feeling loved or included with friends, family, that it's a time not to be celebrated. 115 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:44,480 I did read a piece where it says that if you feel gratitude, it squashes other emotions. It's very 116 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:49,840 hard to feel sad and grateful at the same time. Yeah, you can't. You can't actually feel negative 117 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,600 and positive emotions at the same time. So if you're feeling gratitude, then all of those other 118 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:59,280 ones can't, they can't play. Yeah. They can't come into the playground. Yeah. So switching 119 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,440 your mind up. Yeah. But sometimes when you're in those lulls, it can be very difficult, can't it? 120 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,440 Yeah. Because it's almost like you can't find the energy just to even think about something 121 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,520 positive. And it's almost like you want to sit there in those doldrums, but it's worth the effort 122 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,840 if you can pull yourself into gratefulness and just look at what you're grateful for. Because 123 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:22,800 depending on where you live, determines what you can be grateful for. But we live in Sydney 124 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:29,600 and we are so grateful to be living in that beautiful city. Yeah. And grateful to, we joke 125 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:34,960 with the kids. We out slept the assassins. They didn't get us overnight and we woke up. 126 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:44,560 Have you ever had a job or even a relationship where you didn't feel, 127 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,040 as though the other person was grateful for you or that they took you for granted, the opposite of 128 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:56,480 being grateful. Yes. And the impact that it has. It drains you. It does, doesn't it? Yeah. So if 129 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:03,120 you're in a job and it just doesn't feel as though you're appreciated, which is the form of showing 130 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:09,760 gratitude, showing appreciation, then it can be a huge demotivator, especially if you're putting 131 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:16,960 in a lot of effort and it's gone unnoticed. Yeah. I've worked for two airlines and the first airline, 132 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:24,720 the staff did not feel any gratitude towards them at all. Their language around it was very negative. 133 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,480 They weren't grateful to the company as well? No, the company wasn't grateful to the staff. 134 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:38,080 Okay. And so it gets quite oppressive. You don't hang out in the crew room because people... 135 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,600 Oh, but you should be lucky to work with us. I know. That sort of mindset. 136 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:48,400 And then what staff were actually doing were going out of their way to cost the company more. 137 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:59,200 And it really was toxic. Whereas then the second airline showed gratitude to their staff in 138 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:05,680 different ways. Now it may not be the same way that different people appreciate gratitude shown 139 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:12,000 in different ways. So cupcakes might not be for everyone, but you know, bottles of wine. 140 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:18,880 We speak a lot about cupcakes. I'm not a fan of the cupcake as a signal at workplaces, but the 141 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:29,200 the bottles of wine, tickets, staff tickets, small rewards, even a little note in a pigeon hole or 142 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:35,600 a shout out to somebody. It makes you feel, and we've spoken about this before, makes you feel 143 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:42,160 included, makes you feel valid and you are grateful and you always want to give more, 144 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:48,880 more than you pay back. Well, there's a study that I read once about they were raising money 145 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:56,320 for a university, I believe. So in this study, the people leading the study and the people who are 146 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:03,600 leading those people who are doing the fundraising, the people who received gratefulness from their 147 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:11,360 leader, from the person in charge over the next week made 50% more fundraising calls, 148 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,680 just through the act of somebody coming up and saying, hey, great effort. Thank you so much. 149 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:21,520 Really grateful for what you've done. And they also showed them how what they did contributed to, 150 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:26,560 so how it connected to purpose. So, and I think that's the double barrel, isn't it? 151 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:31,120 If you show how people are contributing to something bigger than their role, and you show 152 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:38,080 appreciation for what they're doing, as per this study, they made 50% more effort in the next week. 153 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:45,680 So it's simple to do, hey, thanks, great effort this week. And what you did contributed to this, 154 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:51,200 so thank you so much. You're very valued. How hard is that? But yet how infrequently is it done in a 155 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:57,360 lot of organisations? I think my personal opinion is that there's ego at play, and potentially 156 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:02,320 they're not leaders, they're managers, and nothing against a manager as such, but it's a position 157 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:13,120 given by authority. And they are worried that if they encourage others, somehow they, the others will 158 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:19,440 overtake them. Yeah. So they will lose their position. That's my personal opinion. 159 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:20,960 Strange mindset, isn't it? It is. 160 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,480 There's also evidence that gratefulness increases as we get older. 161 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,400 I can appreciate that. We're more likely to be grateful as we get older, 162 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:37,280 and as I'm getting older, I can understand that. You know, your time is limited on this planet. And 163 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:45,120 so you start to become more grateful. And then as a result, you start to build those strong bonds 164 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:52,800 with other people. And there's a real connection between your social network and longevity. If 165 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:57,200 you've got a strong social network, and you build strong social networks through gratefulness and 166 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:03,680 reciprocity and looking after each other, as we get older, if you've got a strong social network, 167 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,600 and you've got a group of people that you can lean on, you'll live a lot longer. 168 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,840 There's a lot of evidence that we need a social network as we age, because it makes you feel like 169 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:19,600 you belong, gives you a sense of purpose. And those people who show more gratitude tend to have 170 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:26,960 stronger and bigger social networks. When I say bigger, not necessarily bigger in number, 171 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:32,400 but they've got that robustness in their social network. And you think about places like the 172 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:38,640 Blue Zones around the world, where they tend to live more in villages and communities where they 173 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,880 kind of know each other. And they've got this social network. That's right. They all help each 174 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,920 other, the community. Yeah. And they get together and they share cooking and food and resources, 175 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:53,760 and they look after each other. They do their daily walk up to the local cafe and sit down and 176 00:17:53,760 --> 00:18:01,200 say hello to the people that they know. And I've got a feeling that's created through their 177 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,440 connections. That longevity is created through their connections, which makes them feel happy, 178 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:10,400 makes them feel content, and so they live a longer, happier life. And the good thing is that 179 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:15,040 I'm noticing as I'm getting older. But you're such a spring little chicken. 180 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:20,480 Tiny you are. So short. You're funny. Is that I- 181 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:26,000 Well, you are short. I'm sorry, I looked down on you from a height perspective. 182 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:33,200 I tend to need less to feel gratitude as well. As you get older. 183 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:38,080 Yes. Yeah. So less stuff. It's more the experience and the people. 184 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:45,360 I'm getting that now too. I'm starting to want to really let go of stuff and just have experiences, 185 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:50,480 collect experiences. Yeah. Yeah. Because why do we need all that stuff? 186 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,000 That's it. It just seems to weigh you down, 187 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,400 doesn't it? That's right. You just got to move it around when you clean. 188 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:04,560 When you move. Now, one other thing is that what we do is New Year's Eve, rather than resolutions 189 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,120 about what you're going to do- Yeah, no, they never work. 190 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:09,840 No. This year I'm going to quit drinking. Cheers. 191 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:18,240 Cheers. Is that we look back on the last year and we have gratitude. We take stock of what 192 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,720 we've achieved and what has happened, what we've done. What we've received. 193 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:29,360 Yes. And it takes all night into the next day to go through it because that feeling, 194 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:34,640 and the more you remember, the more grateful you are and then even little things start to come up. 195 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:40,320 Yeah. And just reminisce and be grateful. That's the secret, isn't it? 196 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,000 It is. Yeah. 197 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,720 All right. So how do we tie this podcast up in a nice little bow and gift it to people? 198 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,240 But before we do that, can I just say, I'm very grateful for you, Michelle, 199 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:55,120 because without you this podcast would not have got off the ground, would not exist. 200 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:58,240 Thank you, Guy. I'm very grateful for you. Thank you very much. 201 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:04,160 Because it would be very boring with just me. And we're alive. No, we're not. Yes, 202 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:10,160 we are, Guy. No, we're not, Guy. Or Michelle. It would be a strange podcast talking to yourself. 203 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:14,160 That's it. There's a couple of great comedians who do it. They just get on a microphone and just 204 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:19,360 rant, but they're not talking to themselves, to their audience. Anyway, I'm very grateful for you. 205 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:21,040 And how do we wrap this up? Oh. 206 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,440 Be grateful. Yes. 207 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:28,720 Yes. Try not to do it daily as like a list. Don't make it a chore, but just make it part of 208 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:35,600 your everyday thinking. I'm so grateful. Because if you stand at the sink while you're washing the 209 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:42,160 dishes, instead of going, oh, this is a chore, and you can start to think about how or why you're 210 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,440 grateful that you're standing there doing dishes. It changes everything. 211 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,680 Yeah, I get to do the dishes. I get to do the dishes because I've got dishes. 212 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:54,400 I've got dirty dishes, which means that I just had a meal. I'm very grateful that I just had a meal, 213 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:59,520 and I'm grateful because I didn't have to go and hunt for that meal. You could go on and on and on. 214 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,520 You could link all your gratefulness to a whole chain of things that you can be grateful for. 215 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,800 Yeah. It's a much better way to live. Absolutely. 216 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,040 Yes. All right. Bollinger, where are you? 217 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,000 That's right. We'd be very grateful. We'd be very grateful if your sponsor is. 218 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,280 We're just talking about gratefulness. We're very good at this. Lint, bows. 219 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,280 Grateful, grateful, gratitude. Yeah. 220 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:24,400 We'd be very grateful if you reached out. Merch, if you want some Captain and the Clown merch, 221 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:29,920 we've got t-shirts and caps on our website, captainandtheclown.com with our motto, 222 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,120 more dogs. Yes. 223 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:34,160 Because we think the world will be a better place with more dogs. 224 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,800 All right. Great to see you again, Michelle. Thanks, Guy. 225 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:37,200 Take care. Bye. 226 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,440 Bye. Well, that was fun. 227 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,720 That was fun. You're such a clown. 228 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,720 The clown, Captain. Lady captain. 229 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,160 Very good. And who's going to listen to this? 230 00:21:48,160 --> 00:22:18,080 Maybe I'm not. Thanks, Mom.