1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,000 G'day leaders. In this podcast we talk about curiosity. So rather than telling you what it's all about, get curious. Enjoy. 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Why do it count backwards? Are they? We're now recording. 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,000 What? Hello Captain. 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,000 What do I say? 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,000 Come fly with me, let's fly, let's fly away. 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,000 What are we going to talk about? 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,000 I don't know. So leadership, life and everything else. 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,000 And we're live. 9 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,000 No, we're recording. 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,000 In Darwin. 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,000 Yes, yes we're here for International Men's Day. 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Yes. 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,000 You were a special guest speaker yesterday at the event up here in Darwin. 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,000 It was so much fun. 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,000 150. 16 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,000 180. 17 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,000 180, 180, uh, Territorians. 18 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Yeah, amazing men in that room. 19 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:07,000 Yeah, so much support for each other and they all sat there beautifully listening and holding space for all of the great speakers that were up on the stage. We learned so much from so many people yesterday. 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:21,000 Yeah, and how lucky am I? I get to hear your talk and your motivational keynote in different parts of the country and the world. And every single time I hear it, I take something else from it. 21 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,000 Yeah. 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:32,000 And just even the audience interaction yesterday, some of the parts that they took away then gave me a different perspective. It was amazing. 23 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:41,000 It was a great audience. The energy in the room was just beautiful. It was, we love it up here. How many times have we come up here now? 24 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,000 Yeah, yeah, I know. About four or five times now. 25 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:49,000 Four or five times up in Darwin and we're, yeah, we love it up here. Now you're limping along. 26 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,000 Yeah. 27 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,000 I broke your toe. 28 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:57,000 I broke my little toe. Of course you can't do anything for a little toe. So my jelly bean toe is fat jelly bean. 29 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,000 Fat jelly bean toe, poor thing. Yeah. But we haven't recorded for a while. 30 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,000 No, no. Life has been full. 31 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:12,000 It has been full. I got to watch your keynotes over in Adelaide and your workshops you've been running as well. But we didn't get a chance to record any podcasts. 32 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,000 No. 33 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,000 Anyway, we're back. 34 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,000 Yes. 35 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,000 And Bo's, we still haven't heard from you and Bollinger. We're waiting. 36 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,000 Yes, come on Bollinger. 37 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:25,000 Now I'm curious, Michelle, what did you want to talk about today? 38 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Curiosity. 39 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,000 I like it. Look at that segue. 40 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Oh, I know, I know. 41 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,000 A little corny. 42 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:35,000 A little corny. I think I'm the corniest. I've got the corniest humor in the world. 43 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,000 Well, was it the Curiosity Show with Rob and Rob? 44 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,000 I love the Curiosity Show. 45 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,000 Yeah. 46 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,000 It shows our age, doesn't it? 47 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,000 It does, yeah. 48 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,000 Yeah. 49 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:58,000 And the reason why I wanted to speak about curiosity today is that often we go along with the flow. We turn up. We do our thing. We go. And it's just this routine, the monotonous. 50 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:27,000 And after a while, you may start to feel a little disenchanted with your job, with life, with how things are going, or it becomes a bit boring. But if you decide to look at things with curiosity and meeting people, when meeting people with curiosity, and that's based on how I came up with this, is based on the last episode, which is on the art of listening. 51 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:42,000 That's right. And so one of the things that I also use with the art of listening is curiosity. So wanting to know as much about that person and learn as much about that person with a curiosity, almost a hunger. 52 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:49,000 And then it turns off my brain wanting to interject, wanting to respond. 53 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:58,000 And this would be great. I guess this is in addition to the listening podcast. I like this, the curiosity. So having curiosity bent when you're listening. 54 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:18,000 That's right. So there's listening. And then I was thinking, okay, not just the listening, but in life, curiosity. So if you're disenchanted with your partner, your life, your job, your role, whatever it is, if you can change your perspective and come at things with a curiosity. 55 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:31,000 What don't I know? Why am I thinking this? What do they know? What do they do? Then it gives you a new perspective at almost a new lease on life. Just based on the curiosity. 56 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:40,000 I like this. This is reminding me of, so my number one thing in life is learning. I don't want to spend a day on this planet without learning something. 57 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:49,000 I've got this thirst for knowledge, but you've just really put a different word on it now. It's curiosity. I think the world is an amazing place. 58 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,000 And I used to think I knew stuff, but the more I learned, the more I realized I know nothing. 59 00:04:53,000 --> 00:05:03,000 And so, yeah, I think that's where my passion for learning comes from. The curiosity that makes the world a better place and makes it a more interesting place. 60 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,000 Because the more you learn, the more you realize you know nothing. 61 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Well, I use this technique as well. If there's something that I'm not so excited about, something I need to go to attend, I might have a job or something to do that I almost consider a chore. 62 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:32,000 I'm not that excited by it. If I switch my perspective into curiosity, it just changes it because I'm there to learn. 63 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:41,000 I'm there to discover, even discovering why I have a resistance to going or to doing it. It's like, oh, okay, I didn't know that about myself. 64 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:52,000 So you're kind of stepping out into the observer in your mind and you're like, well, why am I not looking forward to this? Why am I bored here? Why don't I like this? Why do I think or feel that? 65 00:05:52,000 --> 00:06:03,000 Yeah, and it could be an unconscious bias that I might have, which becomes conscious. So then I can either work on that or kind of acknowledge it and go, okay, now I know why. 66 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:14,000 But the curiosity and you can change up your curiosity as a child, as a leader, as a follower, as somebody who's new to it. 67 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:26,000 So even customer centricity, if you put yourself in the shoes of a customer and doing it curiously, then you might discover an experience that you hadn't thought of. 68 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:39,000 I like this, Michelle. I can see why you came up with this idea. Because like you said at the start, we travel through life and we get just into patterns, rotted paths of thinking, rotted paths of feeling. 69 00:06:39,000 --> 00:07:00,000 We just exist rather than curiously experience the world. I like this. This is a great way to just a little reminder that you have the opportunity to get curious about your day, get curious about your work, get curious about your relationships, get curious about your friends to want to know more. 70 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:16,000 But that then becomes interesting. It becomes almost exciting that you're approaching life with this energy of tell me more, help me understand more rather than, okay, I know this. 71 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:21,000 And it's kind of why time speeds up as you get older. Have we spoken about this before? 72 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,000 I'm not sure if we have. 73 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:36,000 In any of the podcasts. So in the time management course, we talk about the fact that time speeds up as you get older, right? So as you get older, time speeds up. When you're a kid, nine till three o'clock at school is such a long time. 74 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:43,000 And it's exhausting thinking, oh, three o'clock, it's so long away. But nine to five goes like that. 75 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,000 It's three years between Christmases. 76 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:59,000 Exactly. Monday to Friday. It's nearly Christmas. I just took down the tree. I said this yesterday in the keynote. But I think, where was it going with this? Time, yeah, so time speeds up because you've seen it all before, right? 77 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:09,000 When you're a young kid, it's the first time you're experiencing life. So you pay attention to everything with 100% of your neural resources. And, you know, kids are always in the moment. 78 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:20,000 They're wide-eyed, their mouths are open, going, oh, look at that, look at that, look at that. And they experience life with this wonder, this curiosity, which is the word you've given us today. 79 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:27,000 And so therefore, their attention is solely wholly in the moment, which means that they're present. And when you're present, time slows down. 80 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:33,000 But the average adult spends their life thinking about what they're going to do tomorrow, what they did yesterday, what they're going to do on the weekend, what they should have done last weekend. 81 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:41,000 So we're always in another moment, which is why we don't live the current moment. And it goes past very fast. And that's why time speeds up. 82 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,000 But if you get curious, it's going to bring you back to the present moment. 83 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:50,000 Yeah. 84 00:08:50,000 --> 00:09:02,000 So when I've used it and I've noticed other people use it. So when you learn something for the first time, you're learning it as a skill that you, and you may not be. 85 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:09,000 Not be a hundred percent proficient the first time. So you learn it, become proficient to a certain level. 86 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:21,000 If you then relearn it or get curious about the backstory of what you've just learned, you can then teach it and impart that onto others. 87 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:34,000 And so if you get curious, you can look at it from different angles, from different perspectives, using different analogies that may be more relevant to the audience that you're giving it to. 88 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:44,000 So someone you're training, someone you're teaching, someone you're telling for the first time, or they've been in the role and they might be rotted in their thinking. 89 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:50,000 So coming at it with another perspective, brainstorming. 90 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:56,000 I'm thinking of a physicist at the moment. I hope I'm getting his name right. Brian Cox. Do you know Brian Cox? 91 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,000 No. 92 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:04,000 He's a physicist. He's got this wonderful perspective. 93 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:14,000 And when I hear the word curiosity, I immediately think of him. He looks up into the night sky and he's looking at the stars and the galaxies. 94 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:24,000 And he's curious about when you listen to him talk, he's just got this thirst for understanding the cosmos and all that sort of stuff. 95 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:31,000 And so he always talks with this smile on his face. And I'm going to guess that he's got this in him. 96 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:42,000 He's got this curiosity where even though he's one of the smartest people on the planet that I've listened to in the past, he almost looks like a little child with this amazing curiosity. 97 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:47,000 I want to know what this existence is all about sort of thing. 98 00:10:47,000 --> 00:11:02,000 And I've always admired him and I'm kind of putting curiosity into his intent, I guess, that he's got this childish curiosity that makes the world and the cosmos and the galaxies such an intriguing place for him. 99 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:08,000 Which is why you see the smile on his face because he's enjoying the experience of being curious about the nature of reality. 100 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:22,000 Well, you could even bring it up for, you know, and there are studies that to keep your mind active and to the neurons, you know, creating new pathways is to take a different route to work. 101 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:28,000 Use the opposite hand, opposite to dominant hand when cleaning your teeth or doing a task. 102 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:49,000 If you could also change up the level, so maybe get down on the ground and see things as your kids do or do it, you know, now that we've got drones, I've seen on social media the last week or so, there's an image, you know, where they are filming the beach, the waves from with their phone from the shore. 103 00:11:49,000 --> 00:12:00,000 And then there's an image of that same scene, but from above in a drone and there's all these fish and they're playing and different perspectives. 104 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:09,000 Yeah. And just imagine what, how interesting your day would be if you could see it differently. 105 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,000 Yeah. 106 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:20,000 We were learning about perspective yesterday with Nick Bell, the firefighter, who's now like a consultant. 107 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:27,000 He was doing a keynote about looking at your perspective, looking at things from a different perspective, which is curiosity, isn't it? 108 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,000 Yeah. So if you can change your perspective on something, it becomes brand new. 109 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:37,000 So the world is then a more interesting place because you're constantly changing your perspective on things. 110 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:51,000 That's right. And he had done it as a as part of a process was you need to get a 360 degree view almost to see what's actually happening, not based on experience prior or an assumption. 111 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,000 Shout out to Nick. 112 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,000 Yeah. 113 00:12:54,000 --> 00:13:07,000 So this curiosity mindset, yeah, the more we're talking about it, the more I'm starting to think about all sorts of aspects of your life where you could apply this, where if you get curious, the world becomes new. 114 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,000 When the world becomes new, you're not going to take it for granted. 115 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,000 You're not going to be bored. I've seen this all before. 116 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:19,000 And if you're able to put yourself into the shoes of somebody who has a different opinion to you. 117 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:26,000 So this is one of the things that we were starting to talk about in the listening. You're listening with the intent to understand. 118 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,000 Yes. 119 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:34,000 And what that is, is listening to the intent to understand it from their perspective, not just understand what they're saying, but from their perspective. 120 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:41,000 And I think that's a skill that everyone needs to develop is we've got to stop thinking that we're right all of the time. 121 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:51,000 You know, I was guilty of this when I was younger that I thought I knew stuff and what I knew was right and it was a fact. But a lot of facts are just opinions of information. 122 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:56,000 They're not absolutely guaranteed. This is the truth. 123 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,000 Because how many times have you been wrong in your life and learned something? 124 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:14,000 Well, facts, depending on the source, are opinion, which is, you know, colored or biased by their religion, political views, their cultural views, upbringing experiences, their observations, their assumptions. 125 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,000 So they're skewed. 126 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,000 We did. We did. So they're skewed. 127 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:29,000 Whereas if you then, you know, and there are people who try different religions because they're curious about what is it that this religion offers that everyone likes and then they go on to another one. 128 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,000 So they'll devote one year to a particular religion. 129 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,000 Yeah. 130 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:38,000 And it's not that they're, you know, laughing in the face or treating it lightly religion. 131 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,000 It's just they're curious. 132 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,000 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 133 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:48,000 Many years ago, I realized I knew nothing about religion. I didn't grow up in a religious family. My parents weren't religious. 134 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:55,000 My dad kind of moved away from the family religion. And so I was brought up to believe that if you can't see it, it doesn't exist. 135 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,000 Yeah. 136 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:03,000 But I felt quite naive. So I, many years ago, went on a bit of a journey to study the different religions. 137 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:10,000 And I found it really fascinating because I thought that I were all separate, but a lot of them come from a lot of the same sources. 138 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:18,000 And it was, I really enjoyed that that two or three years where I was, I was actively seeking out religious people, sitting down with them. 139 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,000 Hey, tell me about the wonderful things about your religion. 140 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:32,000 And what I loved learning, what I got really curious about was the fact that every religion on the planet all shares the same belief system around the, what, what it's called the golden rule in many religions. 141 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,000 And it's about basically the way you treat each other. It's about respect in the Bible. 142 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:41,000 I think it says do unto others as you would have others do unto you. But it's in every religion. 143 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:46,000 And so I got very curious about religion many years ago because I didn't know anything. 144 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:53,000 And when I learned the beauty that was in each religion, it really helped me understand why people are attracted to religion. 145 00:15:53,000 --> 00:16:09,000 Well, it's also curiosity is a great way to have the confidence to try something new because you're trying it not with your ego that I could fail or I might not get this or I don't really understand. 146 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:20,000 If you come at it with a curious perspective, then it doesn't matter if you step up, if you don't understand straight away, because you're coming at it almost with a childlike view. 147 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:29,000 And nobody rubbish's children who are looking at something for the first time, trying to walk, trying to ride, trying to throw a ball. 148 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:35,000 It's that curiosity, what it feels like, what it, you know, the action, all of those. 149 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:49,000 One of the things I've noticed and I speak about this in the creativity and critical thinking courses and we've both got kids, when the kids young, they're just so curious about the world, aren't they? 150 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:54,000 And they've got these amazing imaginations. I love this about kids. They're curious about everything. They've got these amazing imaginations. 151 00:16:54,000 --> 00:17:00,000 They create imaginary friends and you've got to set a setting for them at the dinner table at night. 152 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:07,000 Is your friend joining us tonight for dinner and what do they like to eat and all that sort of stuff. 153 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:16,000 So the kids are curious. You give them a present, they rip open the present, they take out, they get the box, they take out the toy, but then they play with the box because the box has got unlimited potential. 154 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:24,000 That toy is whatever it is, but that box can be whatever they want it to be. So kids have got these amazing, curious imaginations, yeah? 155 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:29,000 But then we send them to school. And our schooling system is really quite interesting. 156 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:37,000 We don't teach kids to use their creativity. We teach them to use their logical brains. This is my opinion. 157 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:45,000 So if you disagree, please feel free to reach out. But we teach them maths, science, English and stuff where they're either right or wrong. 158 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:51,000 We don't get them to constantly challenge the way things are. We teach them where they're right and wrong. 159 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:58,000 And I think the schooling system actually trains out of them that curiosity, that imagination. 160 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:05,000 And I recently read something NASA many years ago wanted to hire more creative geniuses. Yeah, have you heard this one? 161 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,000 So NASA wanted to hire creative geniuses. 162 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:20,000 So they asked some researchers to go out and find what makes somebody a creative genius, what makes somebody able to solve problems using creativity, etc. 163 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:30,000 They found that, and I hope I'm getting the data right, five-year-olds. 98% of five-year-olds are creative geniuses. 164 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,000 Wow. 165 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:38,000 98%, yeah. That was, again, I hope I'm getting these statistics right. For those who are listening, please feel free to look this up. 166 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,000 And if I'm wrong, share with me what the actual statistics were. 167 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:48,000 So at age five, 98% of five-year-olds are creative geniuses that they can use their imagination to solve problems. 168 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:54,000 Then they looked at 10-year-olds and it went from 98 down to, and these are pure guesses now, 70-something percent. 169 00:18:54,000 --> 00:19:00,000 And then they looked at 15-year-olds and it dropped again. Then they looked at adults and it dropped down to 2%. 170 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,000 Wow. 171 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:14,000 Something like that. And what they found is that creativity and imagination and genius thinking is actively unlearned because of the way we educate kids. 172 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,000 And so curiosity is something that we need to keep. 173 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:32,000 We need that childish desire to understand how things work and use creativity rather than, oh, you need to learn how to think like everyone else has thought in the past and we will mark you right and wrong like we do at school. 174 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:44,000 I think there's a real disservice that we do to children when we take the creativity out of them and we teach them to think like everyone else, which means we're not going to be as innovative as what we can be. 175 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:56,000 We both are with training and do critical thinking. And there's an exercise where you look at the nine dots. 176 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,000 Don't give it away. 177 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:03,000 I won't give it away. But there are what is it now 19 different ways to solve it. 178 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:09,000 And there's one logical way that we give straight up. But kids get it straight away. 179 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,000 And adults just struggle hard. 180 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,000 They can't. 181 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:21,000 But one thing I noticed in the last workshop that I ran, it was with early learning educators and people who work in the early learning sector. 182 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:26,000 And they were coming up with amazing ideas straight up. 183 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,000 They were creative. 184 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:39,000 And I wonder if it's because they now part of, thankfully, part of Australia's early learning guidelines are that it's learning through play. 185 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:44,000 And so they are getting curious. And in order to do that, the educators are down at their level. 186 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,000 They're not standing up in front of a classroom. 187 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:52,000 They're down there on the carpet in the grass, in the water, in the mud with the kids. 188 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:58,000 And they're doing all of this play, which is learning like tactile learning and and curious. 189 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,000 Getting curious. 190 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,000 I did notice that. 191 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:11,000 And so, yeah, it would be interesting to see what percentage of people, adults who work with children, young children, like really young children. 192 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,000 Yeah. And how that's affected. 193 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,000 Yeah, they've caught the creative virus. 194 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,000 Influence them. 195 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,000 Curiosity. Yeah. 196 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,000 Yeah, I did notice that. 197 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:31,000 I like this, that when you work with young children, you become more childlike and which wakes up that part of your brain that's gone to sleep because you became an adult. 198 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,000 Yeah, I like that. 199 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,000 So let's wrap this up. Yes. Curiosity. 200 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,000 Okay. Makes the world a more interesting place. 201 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,000 It does. And you see things from a new perspective every day, every time. 202 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,000 Yeah. 203 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,000 So how do we let's give out some challenges. 204 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,000 Getting curious. 205 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,000 What does it feel like to brush your teeth with the other hand? 206 00:21:51,000 --> 00:22:01,000 What does actually smell the coffee that you're drinking or the tea or the juice that you're drinking and then try and taste the different aspects of that drink. 207 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,000 Oh yeah. 208 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,000 What is this one? Colombian? 209 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,000 Yes, yes I know. 210 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:10,000 But it's almost like, you know, the semelias and people who wine tasters. 211 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,000 Yeah. 212 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,000 Get curious about your journey to work. 213 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:24,000 When we came to the, when we went to the airport, do you remember this? We were in the Uber coming up here to Darwin but we were going into the Sydney airport and the Uber map was taking us a different way to which we normally went, right? 214 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,000 Yeah. 215 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:30,000 And I said, where are you going? And to me it felt like we were going further away and it was a different route. 216 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:37,000 It was a, I've never travelled that way before and I think it was probably slightly longer but the traffic flowed more freely. 217 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,000 Yes. 218 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:44,000 And so at first I felt this annoyance, why aren't you going the way we normally go to the airport? I've got a flight to catch. 219 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,000 Yes. 220 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,000 But the, a map was taking him a different way. 221 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,000 And we actually got there quicker. 222 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,000 Yeah, yeah, even though it took us a little, it was along the journey, it got us there quicker. 223 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,000 But it was a different view out the window. 224 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,000 Yeah and do you remember I said to the Uber driver, where are you going? 225 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,000 Yeah. 226 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,000 And he went, this is the way. 227 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,000 I said, no it's not the way mate, we've been to the airport a thousand times, Michelle's the captain. 228 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:09,000 She's done this trip more than anyone else and he's going, no the map is saying this way. 229 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:15,000 So we're having an argument, not really an argument because there was no anger there but we're thinking, what the? 230 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,000 And then it turned out that it was a faster trip even though it was a longer distance. 231 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,000 Yeah. 232 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,000 Yeah, get curious about your journey. What else can we be curious about? 233 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,000 Oh, um. 234 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,000 The way we think. 235 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,000 That's right. 236 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,000 Yeah, just our perspective on things. 237 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,000 Yes. 238 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,000 About what we consider to be a fact. 239 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,000 Mmm. 240 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,000 Yeah, here's one, right? 241 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:44,000 So at university I studied sports science amongst many other things and what we were told, if you have an injury, RICE, rest, ice, compression, elevation. 242 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,000 Yep. 243 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,000 So if you hurt yourself, rest, ice, compression, elevation. 244 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,000 RICE is the acronym that we're taught. 245 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:55,000 But now there's a suggestion that you shouldn't ice an injury straight away. 246 00:23:55,000 --> 00:24:06,000 The swelling is sending blood cells to that injury, the sprain or the hurt muscle or whatever it is or the slightly torn ligament that the swelling is there to repair it. 247 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,000 And if we put ice on it, it's going to stop the repairing. 248 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:18,000 So there's an argument that if you maybe go over on your ankle and you haven't broken anything, you stand up and walk, walk, encourage movement rather than icing. 249 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:27,000 So that was something that I found quite interesting that we've believed a certain thing for a very long time and now it possibly could be different again. 250 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,000 You might need to do some research. 251 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:34,000 I'm not a scientist with regards to this stuff, but get curious about what you consider to be a fact. 252 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,000 Yeah. 253 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,000 What else? 254 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,000 What else can we be curious about? 255 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,000 I'm thinking about what you spoke about yesterday. 256 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,000 We were just talking about the snooze button. 257 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,000 Oh yeah. 258 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:48,000 We've always been that the belief is that you shouldn't snooze and you just get straight up. 259 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,000 And then you said that you read somewhere that snoozing is actually good. 260 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:58,000 So I'm wondering if that fact is real or if it's just you've gone on to that. 261 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,000 You've switched onto that because you said that you like to snooze. 262 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,000 So therefore. 263 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,000 Well, everyone likes to press the snooze button on the alarm clock, but I've always taught that it's a bad thing. 264 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,000 Yes. 265 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:14,000 But there's a couple of researchers saying that it possibly might be a good thing. 266 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,000 But again, the study was self observation. 267 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000 So it's not really scientific study. 268 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,000 It's more of a, you know, how do you feel after snoozing? 269 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,000 Wow, I like it. 270 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,000 I've had more sleep. 271 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,000 But maybe get creative. 272 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:36,000 So walk in somebody else's shoes for a day or for an hour or just, yeah, get curious. 273 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:41,000 Because life would be better if we had a childlike curiosity. 274 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,000 I like that Michelle. 275 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,000 Yep. 276 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,000 All right. More dogs. 277 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,000 More dogs. 278 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,000 There will be a better place with more dogs. 279 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,000 Bo's, Bollinger, come on, reach out, sponsor us. 280 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:59,000 And you know, if you want merch, go to our website, CaptainandtheClown.com, where you can buy our more dogs T-shirts, which always strike up a conversation. 281 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:05,000 When you're wearing one, there will always be somebody that comes up and says, yeah, I think we need more dogs. 282 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,000 And then other people go, oh, no, there's too many dogs. 283 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,000 And we know that they're cat people. 284 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,000 Yeah. 285 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:17,000 Because dogs, when you spend time with happy dogs, they inject oxytocin into your body and it makes you feel good. 286 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,000 Yeah. 287 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,000 All right. Great to see you again, Michelle. 288 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,000 Thanks, guys. Bye. 289 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,000 Bye. 290 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,000 Well, that was fun. 291 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,000 That was fun. 292 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,000 You're such a clown. 293 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,000 The clown. 294 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,000 Lady captain. 295 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,000 Lady captain. 296 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000 And who's going to listen to this? 297 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,000 Maybe our mums. 298 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,000 Thanks, mom.