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Welcome back in everybody to another edition of the South Ham and Spotlight.
Proud to bring to you episode six, I can't believe I got six of these.
This kind of started off as a pet project where I wanted to get in the space
and talk to content creators and people in the fantasy industry
and find out about them and what makes them tick.
And I can't believe here we are at episode six and I'm really proud to present
Derek Brown, a fantasy pros.
D-Bro, you know him. He's joining me today on the South Ham and Spotlight.
So first and foremost, what is up Derek? How are you doing buddy?
My dude man. And you know I got a special place in my heart man.
I love what you and Mike are doing.
Excuse me, Adam is doing. What y'all are doing over at South Harman.
A lot of love, a lot of respect to what the hell y'all are doing man.
So first that shout out and man when you reached out and asked me to come on here,
I mean I was just like, okay cool.
I mean we're just gonna shoot the shit and sit here and talk ball and talk life dude.
I mean there's no way in the hell I was gonna sit here and turn that down man. Come on.
Oh man, you are an absolute legend in the space.
You're an even better person and for people who think it's all just a facade, right?
Like public Derek versus private Derek.
I'm here to tell you at the Fantasy Expo I could say they're the same person.
People don't believe that though dude.
People are like, ah it's just he ramps things up to 11 or he's loud.
It's like dude I'm loud all the time.
Yes. Like ask anybody that knows me.
Like this is not like any kind of like bullshit, no caricature.
Like for lack of a better way of putting a dude, I'm gonna be me.
I've always been me and people like I might not be your you know favorite flavor and that's fine.
That's all good man. Lots of flavors to choose from out there.
But I'm not gonna sit here like succeed or fail. I'm gonna be me.
I don't know what else to do man.
You do a great job of it too.
One of the hardest working guys I probably know in the entire space.
We were just talking about before we got on there too.
Just how much work actually goes into being a fantasy analyst.
This isn't to toot our own horns but I don't need any flowers.
I don't need any props. Just understand that I don't just get on the mic and spit.
I don't get on behind the camera.
You know that article that you see that came out that took a shit ton of work.
The prep everything else.
We do a lot of stuff behind the scenes. It's not fun.
Right? I talk with Adam all the time.
I'm like you don't understand how much I hate doing bookkeeping.
Running your own company is great.
No but being the bookkeeper is the worst thing in the entire world.
I hate it.
Oh dude.
And that's the thing man.
It's like everybody wants to do fantasy football content.
Everybody wants to be a content creator.
And whether that's like just fantasy.
Whether that's football.
Whether that's NFL or you're gaming streaming.
You're doing esports.
I don't care. Whatever.
It's like people don't understand the amount of work that goes into not only
what we do but people as content creators.
Like I could sit here and wax poetic dude like for the next 45 minutes
about like okay I missed.
I was not I was unable to write the primer in week one because I had COVID
and did that stop me from like sitting at my desk and researching every single
game whenever like I was good enough to like not be in the bed for 24 hours a
day like so I could have the ability to talk about all these games when I felt
better later in the week.
Yes.
The last two weeks for the primer when I've written it like I've pulled all
nighters like both of those weeks which people do not go watch those YouTube
shows for for starting sit and watch back like really really closely because
both of those shows I was up for over 30 to 36 hours straight so I'm just trying
to keep my eyes open and not look like crazy tired.
I was like all right let's talk like I mean but that's what goes into it man
and we put a lot of work into this stuff man because it's not just BS.
It's not just smoke and mirrors.
It's not just talking to talk like I do care about what I put out in the
space and it really freaking matters to me like I'm trying to put my best foot
forward and do that by putting in the work and putting in the time and just
like you and Adam like that this is what we're doing and I'm not sitting here
telling everybody all of this just like I don't need sympathy.
I don't need a pat on the back.
I'm just giving people the real I'm just trying to keep it 100 here and like
tell people like really how the sausage is made and what goes into doing this.
Yeah.
The behind the scenes is definitely different than what you see on camera.
Oh yeah.
It's very different very different.
So Derek what we do here on the South Armour spotlight is we just try to figure
out about you and you and what makes you tick and how do you even get into the
fantasy space.
So think way back.
How do you even get into fantasy football or fantasy sports in general?
Like what was your first league?
What was your first introduction to it?
So shout out to my brother-in-law.
My brother-in-law John got me into my first league ever and it was with a few
buddies from high school and stuff like that and I still remember being like
what is this and I got into it and I'll never forget because it will go down.
The trades that I made and the pickups that I did and all that kind of stuff
that first year was it was gloriously bad.
I still remember and I will always remember that first year in a league
because I drafted Doug Martin in his rookie season.
The muscle hamster.
And I traded him away in midseason for like I don't need like pennies.
Like I think it was like Justin Hunter and somebody else.
Like it was like it was so bad dude.
And I'm watching and the guy that I traded him to was a guy I went to high
school with and he just buried me just like just talk crap to me the rest of
the year as Doug Martin went on this like league winning stretch run in that year
and I'm watching it and I'm like and I think Justin Hunter got either got hurt
or got cut or something like that and I was just like and he's like you came to me for nothing.
It was like I will never forget that first year playing fantasy but that's like
that's everything it's like I can tell you the first dynasty league I was in like
when I first started even trying to understand what dynasty was and doing
content and and getting into those leagues like I could tell you some of the
most horrible trades that I've ever made were in those first few leagues like
oh all right all right we're this is safe space right at him.
Mike Mike with this safe space and I'm so tired right now I'm keeping mess with
your the freaking name dude.
It is very safe.
I'm eventually going to get get on track here but first dynasty league one of the
first ever startups I did I made a trade and this is again where I'm airing dirty
laundry and we're we're being real here.
I traded Todd Gurley and I think it was a first round pick of for next year and
this is right after Gurley and had like the two like this is right this is the year
that he went off but he was in the off season so I traded Gurley in a first round
pick the next year and this is painful.
I traded him for Sammy Watkins and Amir Abdullah and I never heard the end of it.
Yes.
Oh dude it was so bad.
It was so bad but hey I'm just keeping it 100 man like I was never able that that's
probably the worst trade I've ever made in like just period to where I will never be
able to live that down but I mean it is what it is man it's just to show that
like you got to start somewhere and you got to start making trades and like that's
the only way you're going to get better at doing it.
Yes.
In dynasty is by getting out there and putting your neck out there and sometimes
being like oh that's not great.
To make you feel better one of the first.
Please make me feel better because I feel like I'm hurting right now.
One of the first dynasty trades I ever made I took over an orphan you know I didn't
do a startup I took over an orphan.
You took over an orphan for one of your first leagues.
Very first.
Well you are a sicko man.
Took over an orphan team and you know I just wanted it to be my own.
I traded away Austin Eckler for a third round pick.
No.
Here we are five years later.
This is the same space okay I'm sorry I'm sorry I shouldn't have made that.
We were talking about it was the same space.
You didn't make any noises when I talked about my bad one I'm sorry.
You got me feeling real good when you brought up Justin Hunter too because I had an affinity
for him back in Rio.
I was obsessed man I was like athleticism I was like yeah man he could be the dude.
Yeah he was not a dude.
He was never the dude.
He was never a dude.
He was the definition of you know the guy who you thought was going to be a stud.
He'd look like a stud he'd even look like a stud in the preseason and then you get to
the real games and it'd be like why aren't you playing.
Why aren't you doing anything.
No so this year's Jason Brownlee okay got it pretty much except for with better draft
capital and more hype because he went to a big school.
Yep that's fair.
Nice that you traded away Doug Martin though in your first uh your first league.
I mean I was out there just making all kinds of glorious treats dude.
Things you do you can't you can't make this kind of stuff up man it's just real.
I remember selling a Willie Parker for uh for Michael Vick in a one QB.
Oh geez.
And uh yeah it was right right before the uh the bad part of Michael Vick happens.
Yeah Willie Parker was the truth there for for two to three seasons man.
He was good.
I've had those I invested far too much capital in Matt Jones.
Now Matt Jones the Arkansas quarterback.
Oh the quarterback slash wide receiver.
Oh he loved the uh the powdered sugar you know eventually.
Yeah him and Jim are say both.
Yep they both they both love that but the difference is one of them owns the team the other one.
Yeah you know Satan's nose candy.
What can you say?
Satan's nose candy.
So we talked about some shitty ones that you made.
Do you have any that stuck out like any calls early in those days where you're like ah you
whether you got lucky or not but like who who was a guy that you pounded the table for
that you ended up getting through trade drafting whatever that paid off.
Um one of the first years that I was doing rookie content or just looking at I'll never
forget one of the episodes when I first got into the podcast and game.
My former co-host and I shout out Willie Lovato love that man we still talked to this day.
Um we we did a show with Matt Waldman way back in the day and that year it was Cooper cups
rookie season and George Kittle's second season in the league and I scooped up both of those dudes
everywhere like firmly believed in Cooper cup like I was like you don't and it's funny man
because like as we you get deeper into the recesses doing dynasty and content and stuff
it's it's funny to see how like when you look back how your process has evolved over time
and whether that's just like more experience better data different process like back then
like I couldn't tell you what yards per out run was I couldn't even like I didn't even know how to watch
film you know or and I'm still like I mean like look like I'm not going to tell you that I know
ball as well as like all these like former you know professional players whatever and stuff like
that but I try to marry all that stuff together but it's funny when you look back on like how far
like your process has come or how different it is but I remember doing that show way back when
and I was over the moon for George Kittle and I was over the moon for Cooper cup and two guys
that I just had everywhere because I was like situation is ripe and this is back when
um oh man you see you're old enough to remember all these narratives man it's like yeah well
cow shanahan never uses his tight ends man like he doesn't use tight ends George Kittle will
never do anything Cooper cup is just like small school whatever like he's he's old he's slow
he's not going to do anything and I was just like ah man these guys can ball like and now it's
it's just funny to kind of look back on stuff and like how all of that's kind of evolved um the
more years I've done this Kittle was an interesting one you know uh you see he's on a he's on
a poster back here right being an Iowa fan like I am he was an interesting one too because when
he was coming out even out of Iowa we didn't really have this reputation like we put out good
tight ends um you know it wasn't tight end you like it is now baby we'd put out uh we'd put out
like Dallas Clark you know that was probably the most famous one in the early 2000s uh Tony
Moyaki had a few good years with Kansas City now you got what Kittle Hawk Phant and Sammy
Ballgame am I missing anybody uh yeah uh Luke Sammy Ballgame could be the best one out of all
of them and I don't think that's crazy Luke Lachey was definitely on a pace until uh that
horrible tackle a couple weeks ago that fractured his ankle so he looked really good but we had
like a Brandon Myers mixed in a Scott Chandler like some of these guys Brandon Myers you remember
played for the Raiders for the longest time uh pretty pretty successful but when George Kittle
was coming out you know fifth round pick nobody really cared he didn't really do a whole lot
at Iowa like the only thing I could really remember about Kittle is I believe he had a pretty
long catch and run versus Ohio State like a pretty long one and that was that was about the
most I could give you out of George Kittle right he looked athletic but he was like oh he's too
small but you had that whole corollary which was interesting with George Kittle going in
because he was drafted at the same time C.G. at Bathurst was and Bathurst was actually making
some noise about starting thinking about the the early Shanahan days we think of the 49ers
early Shanahan days with the 49ers was disgusting it was uh it was C.J. Bathurst we had a Nick
Mullen's experience it was we had some horrible quarterback play hey a lot a lot of wolf going
on there and then you know then then we got the Jimmy Garoppolo experience so well shout out
to you for taking a fifth round tight end and putting your staff of approval on them just
off of traits or whatever whatever data you found way back when that there was like hey
George Kittle's gonna be that dude because even I being an Iowa fan could have never called
that one it's like oh nice he got drafted oh man I mean look and the funny thing is I'd
still be in on George Kittle if it was today just elite athleticism it breeds elite upside
at tight end love if you if you don't if you're not an elite athlete or you don't even can
even check the box like for tight ends like I don't care like if you can't run the correlation
is so strong if you can't run a four seven or below like if you're running the four eights
no I don't even care about you at tight end if you but if you run the four sevens you got a shot
I mean think about it though like Kittle his best year at Iowa last year senior year 22 catches
314 yards wow I mean like what about those counting stats would you look at go damn this
is what invested a fifth round NFL tight end you're right and then and then you look at
also like the fact of like his draft capital all the narratives and I think like going into
that he wasn't even projected to be the starter following the next season like he had a good
like little stretch run I think in his rookie season if I'm remembering correctly but like
there's still not a lot there if you like you're talking about like George Kittle I guess like
the most like when I look back on it it was a combination of athleticism and then in small
samples you did see like like my process now if I would have like like retroactively fit that on
a George Kittle there's a lot on to his like deeper metrics like his 1.91 yards per route run
as a collegiate athlete is fantastic like that is absolutely just otherworldly so like there are
parts of pieces like marrying that plus his athleticism to where I can even go back and say
I would if he'd come out this year I'd still would have been on him but I can't say that about
every player there's a lot of players that like it's funny like even like two three years ago
where I would be like I don't know what the way that I break down prospects now if I would be as high
as I was on say Cam Acres or David Montgomery or just a litany of other players where I'm just like
hey I think my takes now if I could go back in time would be very very different it's so crazy to
think about to with the kiddo and I was just looking at San Francisco in 2017 who was on that
roster some of the days it is you're like it's rough city baby it is rough Marquis Goodwin was
there wide receiver one I think going into that next year that was crazy good Pierre Garçon on
that team Trent Taylor remember the Trent Taylor oh dude I remember hey I got a lot of love for
Trent Taylor okay shout out Trent Taylor that that dude comes he's from my backyard going from
Louisiana Tech so I still will stand Trent Taylor to this day we had some some Carlos hide those
were the whole the Carlos hide year where he caught a bunch of passes and everybody's like look he
is receiving back and the rest of the NFL said he's not really receiving back not really Matt
Brita back on those days really most it was just an afterthought here he is scoring touchdowns and
dude speaking of I was I have always been in the takes are still out there I have been a old
school Raheem truth or let's go since like there are probably tweets out there from 2018-2019
where I was like I think it was the year that like Carlos hide got hurt maybe in training camp one of
the training camp years somebody got hurt maybe it was Jared McKinnon and I was like it's Raheem
it's Raheem the dream baby like there are takes that are still out there and in the in the stratosphere
of my my OG most truth or status the following year then like he didn't even really get the whole
lot of opportunity right there Matt Brita took over when Carlos hide was gone Alfred Morris they
brought him back in you know during the old the old red skinned days with the old G3 and Shane
Hads so crazy to think I've always liked Raheem most or two he started out on the Eagles did you
know that he for two years couldn't couldn't really cack it every time you see him in the preseason
though he looks so damn he was he was like a god in the preseason dude he was an all-star he was
amazing in the preseason and then the Eagles just let him go here we are still out here doing
stuff years later man tough one now I like that George Kiddler call especially the the correlation
with me being from Iowa and you know listen you probably been outside of me just in in terms of
years the biggest Sam Laporta truth or there has been there the biggest one you gotta believe in
Sammy ballgame like if you don't believe in Sammy ballgame what are we doing here like I feel bad
because it was just he's just like he's just out there just body like body bag and all these like
takes about rookie tight ends cannot do anything and then Sam Laporta's like stiff arm like whatever baby
I got it I feel bad too there because I I did this thing right I love Sam Laporta coming out right
you know I've loved him for years I'm out here telling Ray you you use did you get did you get pushed off
your love well I was I was years ago I'm telling Ray to check out Sam Laporta and I remember this right
I'm telling him and I gotta like beg him to do it right he still does he still never did right then
we get to this draft cycle Sam Laporta's getting draft buzz has a good combine gets a draft capital
I'm like I told you I told you Sam Sam Laporta now I thought he was still going to be the under the
radar guy and I think this is probably your fault yeah it's my fault probably at some point Sam
Laporta got pushed up into the top 10 a dynasty tight ends like before doing anything right and I'm
going listen man I love Sam Laporta but if you're gonna give me top 10 fucking prices on Sam Laporta
I'll ship you ass out just on a process play I and here we are like I was telling people for months
man you know just sell Sam Laporta I love them but sell them like if they're gonna give you these prices
sell them and here we are three weeks into the season and I'm going fuck like like I'm at a weird
spot because I'm I done messed up I'm jumping back on the train he's tied in three now let's go
Kelsey Andrews Sam Laporta I don't give a fuck about any of the rest of them like would you take
Sam Laporta or Kyle Pitts like for me Sam Laporta he's he's he's Sammy ballgame dude Sammy ballgame
all day though yeah but that would have been a controversial like yes it's really funny like
we're talking about trades in um in in a dynasty league I actually made a trade for I traded away
Kyle Pitts for a late first and something else I forget what else the other change was but it was
basically I traded Kyle Pitts for Sam Laporta and something else and now like Twitter would have
been a good trade for me that trade like preseason nobody burying that trade nowadays baby nope nope
Sammy ballgame man I love it I love Sam Laporta and I'm telling you if you like Iowa tight ends you
know just come to me I'll let you know who the next one was you don't give me the goods right now then
who's who's the next one Luke Lachey will be that guy we'll have to see our recovers from this ankle
injury you're gonna see him for the rest of the season because uh we had one of those tackles where
you go around and drag it down and and then your your joints are like the same thing like good luck
the same thing that happened to Tony Pollard at the end of last season yeah that that kind of tackle
so that's what happened to him so he's out for the rest of the year so not good but an above or up
he was he was definitely on pace he's he's kind of that next guy now a little bit different more in the
Luke Musgrave kind of kind of role than this George Kittle Sam Laporta mold so but he's that next dude
so it'd be interesting to see oh I love we could share love on Sam Laporta and I get to out myself
as a fraud because I doubted him for a second hey man look I we said this before we turned on the
mics and the cameras but you cannot enjoy the W's if you're not willing to sit here and eat the L's
as well and I'm not saying it's a it's a big one but I mean the other thing about it is like I think
that's another thing like a bigger talking point just about like in the space right now and correct me
if I'm wrong and Mike but like there's such an echo chamber in just fantasy football content and stuff
that like if you don't follow a lot of the echo chamber on narratives or players or player analysis
or player takes that the consensus will try to just bury you on stuff or you constantly feel like
you're fighting uphill and that's where I think like a lot of people will look at my like some of the
things that I put out in the space and it's just like look man like I get that consensus can feel a
certain way about a player and there are times where I'm going to be with consensus and there's times
where I'm going to be standing in a pose to consensus and if I'm right I'm right if I'm wrong I'm wrong
but I'm going to sit here and rest on my process and whether right or wrong like it's not me putting
out takes and for everybody else out there like don't be scared to sit here and stand opposed to
consensus it's okay if you're John Snow you're unsheathing the sword and you see the galloping
board coming at you right that's okay like if you're if you feel good about your process you know
whether it's this year multiple years and you feel like your process is sound like it's it's there's
been fruit that's been there because of it then stand by it man like don't let people push you off a
take so I'm not saying this just to my but like everybody out there man like it's just because
echo chamber and consensus can get very very loud and people are like well Derek you're very very
loud too what's like well sometimes you got to kick it up to 11 for people to hear you versus that
consensus and people only really care about your else right yes like yes you can have the greatest
same reporter take in the world and you look like a genius now nobody will be that shit people are
still trolling me for my Tristan Ebner takes and I was like fine like I'm so sorry about the fourth
round pick and rookie drafts that you you you you got Tristan Ebner I'm so horribly like I'm
despondent about the last round pick of your redraft leagues right you you try to get Tristan
Ebner as a flyer I'm so I'm sorry I'm so sorry that that buried your teams you know like these are
low hit like probability hits for a lot of these guys like I'm not telling and I never told anybody
even out there but that context never hits the airways like no did I ever tell anybody to draft
like said player in the second round of a rookie draft no did I tell him to take like for you to
take him in the sixth round of a redraft league no but like what I'm trying to illuminate to people
is that like the process is there like there are players that come out of the woodwork and hit correct
so I'm sorry like you control me for all of these takes all you want to if that's what your goal is
on every single day have at it like I guess whatever that's fine but I'm going to still keep putting
the takes out and I'm still gonna follow my process and sometimes it's right and sometimes it's wrong
like you're my dog like underneath my feet like shaking off of my like what are you doing this is also
one of those things too now give you I'll give you your flowers on Pukinacua right oh boy baby you come out
with the with the rankings right we're ranking the wide receiver class everybody does this shit rookie
ranks and I want to say you had him at five or six overall I did I had my as a pre draft I had Pukinacua
as my wide receiver five I had him in if if I'm remembering this right I had him tier three with
Josh Downs and we're looking at it we're looking at it like this is me from an outsider and this is where
we talk about perception and consensus like I need to pay attention to consensus and perception
because in dynasty for me what I play majority of that determines market right terms market and league
ADP everything okay but you look at it and let's just dissect this whether it's Pukinacua or whether
it's some other wide receiver doesn't matter player X you come out with it and you say pre draft this
wide receiver is is number five top five yeah consensus people like me are going to look at and go
Jesus that's awfully fucking high we get the draft process and you go listen on talent pre draft he was
still number five now here's what we need to keep in mind just as a community I can take the pieces
of information that you put out pre draft why you had him so high your defense of that I can also take
what consensus is going to say that Pukinacua at best I would have to spend a rookie fourth round
pick on I know what consensus says I know what ADP says and listen I can take maybe at the beginning
of the fourth I can trade back into the fourth and I could be loaded up with 7000 Pukinacua shares
right I got 7000 dynasty teams I could have them on every single fucking one yep Derek what happens
if you're wrong I lost a fourth round rookie pick who gives a fuck exactly if I'm right I just walked
into something that even if I don't believe in a Pukinacua long term you better believe I can go out
and get a first round draft pick everywhere you should be able to trade him for a 24 first right now
or 25 first after I've turned it now and I have Puka in so many different leagues because the other thing
about it is that like and I'll throw this out there too be mindful and shout out Reggie be mindful of the
content that you consume because there I'm not going to say there are a lot but there are how do I how do
I phrase this if I'm putting takes out there into the space I am drafting these players I am putting
my money behind them in best ball or DFS or whatever I'm not out there just throwing stuff against the wall
and saying hey do this and if you were to sit here and I were to give everybody a hundred percent access to
my leagues am I doing this you can't say that like for everybody but I could tell people I am doing that
like if you're hurting based off of a player take that I've gotten wrong hey guess what I did it too so
I'm hurting as well so I understand where you're coming from but the other side of this is I'm not out here
telling you okay I had Puka Nukua as my wide receiver five pre draft I believe in him I'm tweeting about him
constantly I want to like raise the awareness level on a rookie that I think is extremely freaking talented
if he'd have been healthy if he'd have gone to an SEC school then he would have been drafted in the third
freaking round easy easy or it I mean and the other thing about it and the people tried to shove him down
because of his testing and stuff and it's like we need to like also understand like around specifically
around certain positions how much testing matters and how much it doesn't on certain things right and I'm a huge athleticism
like matters type of you know as far as like how I approach it but we also do need to be mindful of the position
that you're talking about and what kind of context that is in like running backs yes you need to have really good
short area agility if you don't need to be able to break tackles extremely well right I mean what do we want
to me in the best of both worlds we want all of that in one said package you need to be above 210-215 pounds
and a lot of different instances like there are a bit of everybody's going to look like say well no exactly but like
can you hit the benchmarks if you were to talk about tight ends that is the most heavily correlated position in fantasy
to athleticism if you are not an elite athlete you attaining elite upside in fantasy at the tight end position
good luck probably not going to happen the chance of you getting a Zach Erz type of run out is probably not going to happen
you know so am I going to still take a lot of shots on the elite Uber athletes damn right going to you know and I'm going
to fade the guys that run the 4-8 and things like that yes 9 times out of 10 that's going to sit here and bear out
as like good process but this all like this long so locally I'm giving is when we look at wide receivers there are
other things to quantify outside of just how well they test can't is there nuance to routes does he understand how to get
open these things matter and what kind of production these players have had like these things matter like where you
can't just say he runs a 4-3 he's going to be awesome you know things like that because the laundry list of guys that run
a 4-3 and end up not doing anything and we could talk about John Ross Marcus about a scantling all these different guys
and a lot of them with good good draft capital amazing draft capital we can also talk about like there's a laundry list of guys
with kind of like OK to testing that do really really well as well like the Deodra Hopkins the world like downright horrible
was Keenan Allen or T Higgins everybody faded him when he came out you know Keenan Allen Cooper Cup what Puka's doing
like all these different parts of pieces like there are a lot of wide receivers that did not test his Uber athletes that
understand it's whether I'm gonna say Brown I'm gonna say Brown know the guy out there yes his short area was good but like
is he a fast straight line guy no you know and like this is to bear it out like over and over and time and time again like
we need to understand context and these players skill sets to as we're evaluating their games and the other production
metrics that come out there tank Dell another one he he's debunking trends right now he's playing outside wide receiver and NFL
offense and we know his size and stuff and does his production profile look great as far as his breakout age and all these
other things that we like pound the table for no it's not amazing but if you look at his production in college and you also
stack this up Christian Watson's another guy we could bring up here you know it's like there are outliers at this position
and we need to understand the context and how we evaluate that position out of all the other ones especially when it comes to
all of these things that we use and tying athleticism into that if I want to take say there's one position that I'm willing to
not fade athleticism but I'm more likely to say okay does it matter as much at running back and tight end no it doesn't
it's not a good idea yeah yeah I'm with you I'm with you so let's think about I'll try to get this back on the rails to
we went on some long changes we do this all the time don't matter if it's on a podcast or chill it at the expo you know having
a few adult beverages super long tangents alright so that's how you got into the fantasy space let's think back then you
get into the fantasy space then at what point do you decide that you wanted to do content at what point do you start to make
that leap because it is a you kind of got to talk yourself into it right like it's a little bit of a whole shit people are
actually going to see this whether it's 10 people or not it's still a little bit of a there's a little bit of fear
right whether it's right in your first article recording your first audio podcast or heaven forbid you you put your
ass on camera and you're like oh boy now we're opening up we're opening up the the jokesters here we go but how did you
get into doing fantasy content um see there's six or seven I'm trying to remember if it was 2016 or 2017 that I wrote
my first article somewhere around there but honestly like did it just kind of fell ass backwards into this um we moved so
back story just personalized we moved to a brand new state I moved to Texas for a medical job before we're getting into
the space both as a content creator like whether it was part time and just make a little side scratch or doing this full
time like I was a full time pediatric oncology nurse worked for st. Jude for about 14 years we moved to Dallas as I was
taking a nurse manager job and um we moved here and really all that came out of and I really love fantasy now we're
moving now I've got a little bit extra free time like we ain't got a lot of friends around here um what are we going to do
with all the free time and my wife and I love fantasy and we were super into it and like one dip I remember like one
night I was just sitting up I think I was like playing Call of Duty or something I was like man you know like I wonder if I could
like try to write about this because I was always so obsessed with it and like I was just like man like why not so I went
out to Best Buy the next day bought the cheapest piece of crap like Chromebook I could find which funny enough I actually
wrote on that I used that that uh Chromebook in all of its glory I still have it I used it all the way up until I got
hired at Fantasy Bros so long time um and you're gonna frame that thing I did dude it's it's it's still in a case somewhere
I think like it's um it's got stickers it's beat up the heckin bag it's you can frame it like you know you go into a restaurant
or a bar and they have the first dollar they ever made you know back there you do the same thing the first computer I ever had
that would be beautiful that would be beautiful uh and so I went out and I bought it and I was just like so I got on I was on
Twitter already and not not just like big personalities but I still remember to this day two people I DM'd out of the blue
Michael Hoff and Anthony Servino who at the time they're doing really fantastic stuff with FF face off but at the time they were
writing for a site called Gridiron experts and I was like man I was like how how who who who do I talk to you about this like how do I
get my foot in the door like what does that look like like and I had no clue man like I was like in the funny thing about it is like
I just start trying to produce your own content and I think it's a little bit more straightforward about like I guess like data
things and things like now but like back then I was just like I don't even know where to go to like find stats and information to even
use in articles you know and it was like so not only was like trying to figure out how do you do that how do you even research
something like that and where do you find information to even write about this stuff intelligently you know and so that was a
struggle at the beginning but also like just getting into the space man and like so one thing led to another bought the Chromebook
started doing articles and I wrote for like everywhere man like I he used to joke I was like some kind of like hired assassin like but like
how do you like the beginning of it and then like once I got not even a lot of traction just like once I was able to write a few articles
for places and I was able to like and it wasn't much but I was able to make like some some side hustle money and I was like you
Can I do this to where I can make just enough money,
like whatever, if this is like covering Christmas
for the family every year, then cool, you know, whatever,
it's worth the extra time, much less like,
is it a consistent side hustle and like,
I'm able to help my family out or I could put money back
or whatever, save for my kid's college,
whatever I want to do with that, you know?
And so I kept just like writing for different places,
like, and it was like, and you know, like just trying
to get more eyes on the content.
Like I wrote for Gridiron experts.
I started out at a company now, like shout out again
to my dude, Willie, Fantasy Football 24-7,
who I think Willie's still out there in the space
sitting here selling fantasy draft kits and stuff.
But back then, like I was, it grew into where I kind of
fell backwards into not only writing, but the first few
places I reached out to, they were like,
hey, would you want to do podcasting?
And I was like, oh, geez, like I don't even know what
the heck do I do with that?
Like, I don't even know like, what do I do for a mic?
Like, what do I do for that?
Like, I had never done anything like whether it was writing
or like talking on air about anything.
Like I didn't go to school for any of this stuff.
I was a freaking nursing major, man.
Like, you know, like I didn't go to school
for any of this stuff.
Like legit, now like what puts food on my family's table
is me writing and doing content.
Like this is my full-time job, but like,
like I'm also the same guy that like in my life,
I've legitimately only read like maybe two books cover
to cover, like all these books behind me, that's my wife.
My wife is the reader, like I, you know, whatever,
I'm a fake, but like, I never like looked at myself
as like I wasn't an English major.
I didn't do journalism.
I didn't do sports media.
I didn't do all any of these things.
And so like just to write stuff was an adventure.
And not only to write stuff, but do on air content
or video or any of those things.
Like I ain't taking classes for any of this stuff, man.
It's honestly between YouTube and looking at other creators
in the space and saying, okay, I like their content.
What about their content do I like?
What is it about their content or them that draws me in?
And it's like, okay, authenticity, how well researched
or the delivery or whatever, you know?
And for me, it's been just a constant evolution
and learning process.
And that's still a learning process now, man.
And I'm like, I'm a big believer in that.
It's like, whenever you get to a point
that you think you cannot get any better at what you're doing
or you don't have things that you can still improve upon
or still learn, then one of two things,
either you're full of shit and you're kidding yourself
or in tandem, you're gonna get passed by by somebody else.
You know, because you don't think you think
you're at the top of the mountain.
There's nothing else that you can improve on.
And that's, first of all, that's bullshit.
Like that's not true.
There's always something we could be doing better
and whether that's, however you wanna attack that,
you wanna look at that.
Like that's a fallacy.
You can always get better at whatever you're doing,
whatever your craft is.
So, I mean, just a long-winded way, man.
Like this has been a winding road for me
and a lot of different places.
And it went from a side hustle to maybe I could do that
as a career, but I didn't.
I mean, honestly, in my wildest dreams
that I ever sit here and think like,
yeah, you know, six, seven years down the road,
I'm gonna quit being a nurse.
I'm going to talk about football for a living.
I'm gonna go evaluate prospects.
I'm gonna go to the senior bowl.
I'm gonna go to all these different things.
Did I ever think any of that was possible?
Hell no.
Like, and I'm not like, I'm not making this up.
This is not me trying to like,
oh, I'm sure to sound humble.
Like I'm being real.
Like I still feel blessed to do this on a daily basis.
And sometimes you get lost in the sauce of like life
and the busyness and all the time we put into putting out
the best thing that we can.
And you can lose sight of that sometimes,
but at the core of it,
am I still like absolutely floored
that anybody gives a crap about what I have to say
about anything?
Yeah, I still am.
I believe it, man.
You talked a little bit about authenticity
and authenticity in content, authenticity
in your takes that you put out.
But the same thing, you know, it sounds like,
oh, maybe you just make it.
You're trying to make yourself seem humble.
It's real.
I share the same journey.
Well, I can't believe that I'm sitting here
getting to talk to a big time.
Fantasy football analyst.
I shot it.
Don't even.
Oh, even, don't even.
This is where you're at though.
You think about the fantasy football space as a general.
And I get to talk about football, right?
And I get to generate, you know,
I'm in the side hustle stage.
I get to generate a little bit of income
for my family to do stuff by talking about football.
And it's just me being me.
I don't have to fake it.
I don't have to put on a persona to do it.
I don't need to do any of the extra stuff.
The other add on top of that, not to cut you off, Mike,
was like, you shouldn't have to.
Correct.
If you're putting on the face and painting this on for people,
or you're stepping out and you're being anything less
than 100% yourself.
Yes.
You're doing it wrong.
Like, that is not what you need to be doing.
Like, for better or worse, be yourself.
Because there are days when you're going to wake up
and you're tired, you're salty, whatever.
Like, I don't know.
Like, you just walked outside and like it's raining
and you're pissed off at the world.
I don't know.
But like, you got to be yourself.
Like, for better or worse, like, people can sniff out the fact
of like, when you're not being yourself
and you're being less than genuine,
it just be yourself.
Like, why is it that hard, man?
It is.
And it's so, I've done some guest spots, right?
Probably not the amount that you have, right?
The absolute legend that you are yourself over here.
God, stop.
But don't you, when you do these guest spots, like,
when somebody comes on and the first time that they let out
a customer, the first time they say the word fuck,
and you go, oh, we're on this kind of show.
Perfect.
I can be myself.
You know what I mean?
Like, if you're always trying to watch your words,
you know, you're not letting it flow the way you would
if we were actually having this conversation at a bar
somewhere, right?
Yep.
If Mike and Derek were hanging out at the bar
talking about, man, Keenan Allen was a fucking value
all off season.
Look at this guy.
Who cares that he's old?
Who cares that he ran a 4940 or whatever the fuck it
was back in the day?
This dude in this offense is an absolute unit.
That's done.
Like, those are the kind of conversations
you want to have that are authentic and that people
gravitate towards.
And I would say, people always ask me,
like, what makes South Harmon, Mike?
Like, how did you guys get to where you are?
And I can honestly tell you I have no fucking clue.
But the only thing I can tell you is being authentic
and just being ourselves.
That is where we started from.
And that's what we're going to continue to do.
And you talk about it.
You're authentic and you're humbled.
And I can see exactly where you're coming from.
But you would have never imagined this years ago.
It probably still gets you.
When you meet somebody new who doesn't know who the fuck you
are, you meet new people, whether it's a wedding, a family,
function, whatever.
You meet somebody in the fucking airport, Derek.
And they ask you what you do for a living.
That question comes up.
Is it still not?
I try to be honest.
I sidestep that question, dude.
I sidestep that question.
Oh, my lord.
I'm so bad about it, dude.
I sidestep that question.
And it's not like when most people will be like, oh, dear.
Once they know that you're a fantasy football creator,
that's all they want to talk to you about.
No, dude.
That is not why I sidestep that question.
I sidestep that question just the same way
I'm sidestepping all these glittering generalities
you're tossing at me right now.
Because I legit feel like the kid at the birthday party
opening a present.
And I feel awkward.
I feel like everybody's eyes are on me
when that subject gets brought up,
or people say positive things.
I feel like I feel my own skin crawl.
I just feel awkward.
I will have imposter syndrome until the day I die.
It is what it is.
And I'm just trying to keep it real, man.
I do not mention nine times out of 10
unless I am pressed what I do for a living.
And I just don't.
My wife brings it up more than I do.
And people will walk away and I'm like,
why did you just bring that up?
And she's like, well, I'm proud of you.
Yeah, I'm like, I know, but they didn't have to know it.
Like, I'm fine if we didn't have that conversation.
It's cool.
Like, whatever.
Like, we ain't got to talk about it, man.
Like, it does.
I still feel really awkward.
Like, I'm not out here like puffing my chest out,
like wearing fantasy prose shirts to like every function
and thing, and I'm wearing a name tag and saying,
hi, I'm blah, blah, blah from Twitter.
Like, no, like, I still feel awkward about it, man.
Like, keeping it real.
Self-promotion is one of the hardest things to do.
Oh, dude, it's.
It really is.
It is.
And it's like, because my whole thing is like,
I want to be myself and I want to be authentic.
And that's the only way that I know.
And to me, some of the things that you do also,
as far as like, tooting your own horn about stuff.
And I know I kick it up to 11 out on social media and stuff.
But I do that a lot to sit here and fire back at consensus and stuff.
And, you know, so people, I think, look at me
like I'm extremely arrogant in how I approach things.
And dude, I'm not arrogant about this stuff.
I'm very passionate about my process or players
that I believe in or the conviction and the takes
that I put out there.
And to me, it's not an arrogance thing.
Like, I think I'm always going to be right regardless.
That's not it at all.
It's like, for me, if I'm not going to believe what I'm telling somebody,
then why shouldn't anybody else out there believe anything that I'm saying?
Like, if I don't believe it, what do you want me to do?
Sell you a bag of goods that I don't even believe in?
Like, I'm not trying to sell you anything, to be honest.
I'm not trying to sell anybody anything.
When it comes down to it, I'm putting my thoughts out there
on paper, in the airwaves, on video and stuff,
and agree with it or not.
That's up to you.
I'm not out there making your lineup decisions.
I'm not out there telling you who to draft.
I'm putting my thoughts out there in the space,
and I'm going to do so energetically,
and I'm going to do so with passion.
Because if I don't believe what I'm saying,
why should you believe what I'm saying?
100%.
But people think that's arrogance, and I'm like,
no, it's just me being loud.
It's me being the mouth of the South.
It's me being whatever.
It's me having energy and loving what I'm doing.
Now, you can call that arrogance all you want to,
but it's not arrogance.
I don't think that I'm always right.
I really do not.
People think, too, you could have a take for multiple weeks,
and they're like, see, you'll just never change.
It's take luck.
It's like, well, sometimes I need time.
I need time to see.
We're processing new information, man.
100%.
Always.
And some of that is, is there still a path?
And the other part about that is continuing to grow
as an analyst, a content creator, all these different things.
Can I count up the L's?
Should I gotten off the Skymore bandwagon earlier?
Yeah.
I mean, right now, the early returns?
Absolutely.
Should I have been worried about Justin Fields?
I am worried.
Do I think that he's been sabotaged by that team
in the scheme and stuff like that?
I firmly believe that.
Is that meaning that I'm not going to own up to the fact
that he's not playing good football?
No, I don't think that he's playing good football.
But I think there's a lot of context around a lot of these things
to where, yes, there are learning opportunities
as an analyst, as a content creator.
There are also spots where people get
caught up in the, the, the, I want to pound the table
for a player so much, or I want to shade a player so much
that they don't care about the context surrounding,
said players, production.
And it's like, oh, to the moon, you know, or, or, oh,
that guy's just, he's, he's horrible.
And it's like, oh man, like you need to understand,
there's a lot of moving parts to this and it's a team sport.
And receivers can't throw themselves the ball.
Quarterbacks can't block for themselves.
Quarterbacks are not dialing up their own plays
and not designing the scheme.
Like there are so many parts or pieces
to how all of these players, whether they produce or they
don't, there's so much that goes into that
on, on so many different levels.
And that's why you see players when they go to different
situations and a coach uses them how they should have been
utilized the entire time.
Or you see players that, that flash later in their career
because they've been stuck in a myriad of bad situations.
Like, like, I'll have like, Cordell Patterson, you know,
he had the run last year and stuff like that.
We saw what he could do.
It's like, well, should we have, should NFL teams not have
used him in similar manners his entire career?
It's like, the NFL screws it up a lot of different times.
Like, so do content creators and us as analysts.
Like the NFL doesn't get it right all 100% of the time.
So the fact that like people believe that, that content
creators and NFL analysts should be 100%, you're asking
something that even NFL talent evaluators don't even do.
But you expect this out of your fantasy content creators.
Right.
Exactly.
You got, you got Ray Mostred out here in his 30s, you know,
looking like he's in the prime of his career, just absolutely
looking like a stud.
Gino Smith having a career revival.
Pukinacua is out there being a wide receiver one.
Like, you know, you're seven breakout.
Like who had that on the bingo card?
Yeah.
Who knew that was gonna happen?
Exactly.
Gary Barnages of the world in previous years.
Like there's just, it's every year and it's different walks
of life for these players and like different situations.
And maybe they were flash in the pan.
Maybe they were never used correctly, like ever.
You know, so it's, it's a lot of different things, man.
We shouldn't be that surprised either.
I mean, shout out to Iowa guy Kurt Warner, right?
From Baggin Grocers in his mid 20s at High V,
which for those of you listening in Midwest,
you know exactly what High V is.
To, you know, now he's a hard for him.
Tom Brady, Brock Purdy, like over and over and over and over.
Again, Austin Eckler, like we can go down the list, man.
It's just, the NFL is littered with, with multiple,
multiple players that either produce or don't produce
and there are so many things around their situation
that you have to account for that we're going to get right
and we're going to get it wrong.
This, this is why too.
I think it's so important.
And I wanted to highlight because so many people
will come after they see one bad take
at the Justin Fields thing.
That for me, it's always been the Brock Purdy thing.
Like I am reluctant to buy into Brock Purdy.
I am reluctant to buy into, partly
because he played at Iowa State, right?
Like I got that bias, you know, fuck the cyclones.
Can't stand them.
Hate them.
Just hate them.
Can't stand them.
But like they see those one takes and they're like,
see, you don't even know what the hell you're talking about.
But they won't list off all the W's.
And for you, talking about, talking about,
Samby Ballgame, right?
Like these are just ones from this year.
Nobody wants to highlight the W's.
I'll highlight them, Derek.
I'll highlight the W's.
Just like I'm going to highlight my Tua W forever.
Oh dude, hey, we've been out here for,
for many a day talking about Tua.
And the funny thing is, is Tua goes out
and he puts up top 12 numbers in every efficiency metric
last year and then people are like, well,
what about those concussions?
Or, well, it's just the receivers around him.
I'm sorry, did I miss the retirement papers
on Tyree Kill and Jalen Waddle?
I thought they were still going to be in Miami this year.
Did his head coach leave?
OK, no.
Nope.
Then what are we talking about here?
Why don't we like them?
But again, that's where we talk about like the consensus
ideas around players.
And, you know, it's like everybody gets so caught up
in I want to be the first to make the joke about how Tua can't throw deep.
And apparently, like once I've dug my heels in on that so deep,
I can never go back and give him his flowers for how well he's playing.
Like I've just I've I've sewn myself too deep into that.
I can't ever go back and like, come on, man, we're all going to be wrong.
We're going to be wrong.
Like, get over it.
Like we are going to get things wrong for as much as I got to a right.
Like I was not a big rock party believer.
Like I'm with you.
Like, you know, and he keeps if he keeps doing what he's doing,
I'm going to be wrong on that.
You know, it's like.
But there are so many different parts of pieces.
I love the part that you brought up here about.
It is it's tough.
And I think that the space has changed.
We we talked about this before we turned the cameras on and stuff.
I think looking at how the space was six, seven years ago when I got into it
versus how the space is now.
And maybe I'm just getting old and maybe I'm just getting jaded
or maybe I'm just the old man yelling at clouds.
But there is a lot out there about.
People just love to try to bury content creators
for every take that they get wrong or they miss.
And they don't look at the volume of the takes that people out there.
And people are like, well, you know, like I get it all the time.
Well, you you talk about so many different players.
Of course, you're going to have so many different hits.
It's like we all talk about so many different players.
And the fact that it is is that like.
It's not true 100 percent across the board.
But there's a fair amount out there where it's like, you know,
people are more quick to grab the keyboards whenever it's something negative.
They could say about a take that you put out there.
Then the flip side of the coin and saying, hey, you know what?
Y'all got this right, you know, and that's that's not just me.
That's every content creator.
And, you know, I I'm not saying all content creators are out here saying,
you know, give us a pat on the back and stuff like that.
But I could sure as heck tell you the amount of pats on the back versus
the amount of like people trying to kick in the teeth.
It is much more on the side of people trying to kick you in the teeth.
Well, the energy level, the energy level from the kick in the teeth sides
usually turned up to 10 or 11.
It's true, though, man, and it's like, you know, there are reasons why,
like I've closed my DMs, there are reasons why, like, you know,
now I don't do this all the time, but I will mute a lot of tweets I put out
in the space for my own mental health sake, because believe it.
It just, you know, like I want to help people and I want to sit here and.
Do my due diligence to do the best work that I can to help people in this space
of a game about a game.
And but it's also true that, like, there's a lot of things that people
if I showed half of my DMs of the reason why I closed my DMs to people,
they would be appalled at the things that that gets sent
behind the curtain, behind closed doors with the anonymity of a burner account
or your name isn't on your account.
And the things that people will say to you,
it is it would it would shock some people,
but you don't hear content creators out here posting screenshots about that
or talking about that on the daily basis.
You don't hear anybody talking about that because it's just like, well,
you got it wrong. You're supposed to just own up and deal with it.
Trust me, we all know without anybody having to tell us all the things
that we get wrong, OK, that that we all know.
Because like I said, if you're following your own advice,
if if you talked about a player and they underperformed, they get hurt,
things happen, whatever, you know, you're wrong about a player.
Trust me, if you're following your own advice on it and you drafted a lot of that
player or you're, you know, like whatever, like you believe in the
in the analysis that you put out there and you're following your own advice.
We don't need anybody to tell us how we got wrong or how bad it was.
We already know. Trust me, we know.
We know. Trust me.
You're watching the game and you're going, damn it, I can't believe I did this.
I can't believe I can't believe I spent all this draft capital on Justin Fields.
Yeah, one week, two.
When I saw a Skymore out there just not garnering targets, Travis
Kelsey's out or he's banged up and he's not looking like, you know,
at this moment, like he could step up and be the guy that like I've hoped
that he could be, you know, could he eventually do that?
That's possible, but the early returns and you marry that with his rookie season.
It's not looking promising and stuff.
So like, yes, I'm watching him and I'm looking at all my Dynasty squads with
Skymore on it and I firmly understand.
I'm like, wow, you know, like I could have got this really wrong.
Like I know that people know that content creators know that without anybody
having to, you know, say any level of, you know, whether it's just tongue
in cheek or horrible heinous stuff to them.
We don't have to hear it.
Trust me, we know, we know.
And it's the internet too.
We don't get a whole lot of context behind, uh, behind text.
Right.
We don't know if you're like you said tongue in cheek or whether it's
actually coming from a place of hate, but Derek, good conversation, man.
Over an hour, I really appreciate you coming on.
Tell everybody where they can find you at and what you're working on.
What's your schedule look like for a week?
I know it's ridiculous, but where can they find you?
You know, what can they tap into an indie?
Oh, dude, first of all, thank you for having me on this man.
This was a wonderful little therapy session on the couch talking to one of my
best buds in the industry.
I love my, I'm going to change the name of this show to Dr.
McNutted.
Maybe I could do that.
I don't even need to see the graphics that you're going to put out there.
If that happens, that's it's better.
It's better off.
I've left in the dark on that.
But man, first of all, shout out to you and what you're doing here.
Shout out to you and all the South Harman boys.
Like what y'all are doing is absolutely awesome.
Carving your own path, the way that you're doing it with that authenticity,
with the level of conviction, whether with just, I mean, all the parts or pieces,
man, big, big fan of it.
And so that has to get brought up here first, man, but all the content for people.
I don't like my flowers either.
Well, guess what? You getting them.
You getting them.
You ain't got to.
Hey, you don't have a chance to bring them back.
Okay.
Just like you're going to bring it up with me.
I'm going to sit here and hand up to you and you're going to, you're going to smell
them, smell the roses.
I don't want to.
So too bad you already got them.
You can't bring them back.
This isn't an edible arrangement.
You just leave out the sun.
Damn it.
Okay.
Yeah.
She won't have.
Anyway, but as far as all the content, man, it's all over at Fantasy
Pros main podcast, all my work primers at every Thursday, which is my
20,000 word love letter on the week.
I pour my heart and soul into that article every single week.
I spend, oh man, 40 plus hours at least writing that article on a weekly basis.
And yeah, man, I mean, between that, all the, the dynasty work, I mean,
all my things, all the stuff is over at Fantasy Pros and people should be
checking out all the work.
It's not just me.
I mean, I think we are doing amazing work there.
Whether you're talking about Joey P on the ones and twos, you're talking
about Sam Hoppin with the data, you're talking about Andrew Erickson and what
he's doing in the player prop markets and the betting, the betting primer
this year is just hands down amazing.
It's just, I feel really blessed to work with what I consider to be an
extremely talented and amazing set of humans over at Fantasy Pros.
So if you don't like me, if you listen to this podcast and whatever, I ain't
your cup of tea, check out the content from the boys over there as well as
Kelly is doing amazing work over there.
Kelly Kirby, she's one of the sharpest people in the industry.
Her projections are freaking fantastic.
Tara over there is doing amazing work.
She is a rising star in this industry and I do not use that like
offhand. She truly is.
So if you're not checking out my work over at Fantasy Pros, please check
out the team.
They are doing the Lord's work over there like amazing stuff.
They all really care about what they're doing and they're busting their ass
in the process to put out the best content that they possibly can for you.
Go check it out.
That's all I can say.
And reach out to Derek on Twitter.
I want to see if I got any poll here.
Let's see if I can get it.
Oh, I need that South Harmon bump, baby.
I need it in my life.
Oh, I want to see if I can get at least five people on Twitter to tweet at you
that Derek, you look pretty.
Just type those words.
Derek, you look pretty.
All right, I'm going to say this first of all, Fizzle, if you're listening to this,
you don't count in the five.
Okay.
Already we talk a lot.
Okay.
So five other people, not named Mike, Fizzle or Adam.
Okay.
You can't be, you can't actually be affiliated or a contractor.
A contractor of South Harmon.
You don't count.
I had to shout out Fizzle at least once on this show.
Shout out Fizzle and all the awesome stuff he's doing in the space, man.
Love that dude as well.
This is a test for our Savage members or Patron members.
How long you stuck with the show?
If you can make it to the end here, I want you to tweet at Derek.
You look pretty.
Let's see if we can brighten this day.
Just on a random Tuesday sometime.
Five dimensions.
This is one of my dimensions.
We'll get this trended.
We'll get you look pretty.
Tried to go.
Tried to go on the.
Well, I got rid of, finally I kicked the joke to the side.
So I got rid of my AK ugly John Daigle on my name on Twitter.
I finally got rid of it.
See.
And for anybody, if you want the inside story about all that,
I know we've gone an hour plus, but there's a great inside story on that one.
So, you know, tweet at me, hit me up.
We can chat about it.
Let's go.
I appreciate everybody tapping in.
Thanks again, Derek, for coming on.
It's always good chopping it up with you and good friend in the space.
I really like what you're doing over there.
A real dude, real authentic.
And it's kind of like that a Wolf of Wall Street movie.
Like I feel like Google Gobble, one of us.
Google Gobble, one of us.
He's an honorary shithead.
No, maybe start pounding my chest.
He's an honorary shithead.
So, appreciate everybody tapping in.
I'll see you back here.
Same time, same place next week.
Looks like we'll be having special guest Nate Liss on the South Island spot
by the next week for episode seven.
So, make sure you check that one out too.
But thanks Derek.
See you everybody later.