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Hey everybody, welcome to episode number 13 of the KMO show.

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I am KMO and this is the show.

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So in this episode I am going to share the continuation of a conversation that started

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in the most recent episode of the C-Realm Vault podcast.

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It is with my longtime friend and fellow traveler on the Peak Oil Road, Dermot O'Connor, the

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angry animator.

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I first met Dermot in Portland, Oregon in 2013.

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I was doing a couch surfing speaking tour with my then girlfriend Olga and my old 1991

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Ford Ranger pickup truck.

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We drove from New York City all the way to the West Coast and back in that truck and

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did several speaking gigs that various C-Realm podcast listeners and supporters had

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set up for me and made some money along the way.

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But then the truck broke down a couple of times and basically we broke even on the trip.

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But the, geographically speaking, about the halfway point on that trip was the Portland,

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Oregon stop.

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And that's when I first met Dermot face to face.

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I imagine we'd had some interaction before then, but I will hear from people for years.

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I'll get comments from them.

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I'll recognize their name.

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I'll recognize their general style.

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But when I first talked to somebody, when I first hear their voice, and particularly

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if I meet them in person, I hear their voice, I see their face, I see their body language,

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suddenly they become a real person.

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So I probably was communicating with Dermot before then, but from my perspective, we've

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known each other for 10 years.

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And as I say, he, not only was he a fellow peak oil traveler, but he produced a, an excellent,

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I would say animated documentary introduction to the topic of peak oil.

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And I think it was called There is No Tomorrow, which I imagine Dermot regrets that particular

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title because, you know, here we are 10 years later, civilization has not collapsed.

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So the, the fast collapse portion of the peak oil narrative was, is what grabbed my attention.

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And basically I would say caused me to sabotage my life.

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So while Dermot has kept up with the, um, the peak oil narrative, he still has numbers

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at the ready that he can cite.

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You know, I used to give talks on peak oil, introducing people to the topic and I can

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still give a, you know, a general overview of the topic, but I don't keep updated numbers

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at the ready to support that point of view, because it's a point of view I don't share

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anymore.

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And it's not so much because I think that it's factually inaccurate, which I mean demonstrably

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the 2010 version of the peak oil story, which was talking about collapse of industrial civilization

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in the near future was inaccurate.

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The predictions failed.

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It was in a very significant sense, wrong, factually wrong, but it's not the factual

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nature or the factual shortcomings, you know, that I disagree with.

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It's, it's the belief that peak oil is going to cause this collapse and all the things

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that are oppressive, all the things that are uncomfortable, all the things that we really

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just don't like about living in our current society are going to go away and be replaced

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with material hardship, but also a kind of freedom.

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You know, you won't have to worry about your credit score.

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You won't have to get up and go to that job that you hate anymore.

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You know, you'll have to go out with a hatchet and fight the zombies, but the fight or flight,

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live or die in the moment, but then when the encounter is done, it's over.

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That's the world that our psychology is evolved to thrive in and it's not the one that we

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live in.

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And the idea that peak oil was going to be an escape from that and that you can shirk

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your responsibilities to, you know, industrial civilization because it's going away.

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That is a dysfunctional toxic attitude.

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And it is why I'm just not interested in the peak oil story anymore.

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It's why I'm also not interested in the least in climate catastrophism.

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I just have no room for that in my life at all.

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And it is because not, not because I think the numbers are wrong, not because I distrust

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the science, you know, in, in scare quotes, it's just, you know, I've studied the philosophy

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of science, you know, I've studied the epistemology of science.

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I'm not a practicing scientist, but I would say I know a whole lot more about the scientific

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method than most people who are, you know, worshipful of quote, the science, close quote.

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And I just see really dysfunctional psychological processes at work that go under, you know,

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that fly under the aegis, under the banner of either the impending collapse of industrial

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civilization or the impending death of everything due to atmospheric carbon.

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It's a sickness.

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Yeah, you can point to some numbers, you know, you can point to some scientific data in support

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of your sickness, but it's still a sickness.

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And it's one that I will have no part of.

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So I hadn't planned to give all that at the beginning, but there it is.

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So I won't have to say it at the end about Dermott.

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Dermott is an animator.

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He is somebody who draws, you know, he's like the meme says, you know, the anti AR,

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AI art meme says, pick up a crayon like everybody else and start learning that way.

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Dermott can draw like the devil.

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I mean, he can draw really, really well.

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And he's a very accomplished animator and he had a professional career in Hollywood

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in animation.

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And since leaving Hollywood, he has sustained himself financially by teaching courses online

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in animation.

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He knows animation.

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And I had intended to talk to Dermott about the, the impact of artificial intelligence

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on working artists and aspiring artists.

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And we talk a little bit about that in this episode, but there's not a whole lot about

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it.

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So we're going to talk a lot about politics.

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We're going to talk a lot about economics.

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We're going to talk a lot about militarism and military hardware, and we're going to

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talk about AI for a bit and art.

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The portion of the conversation that you're about to hear was not the beginning of the

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conversation.

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The beginning of the conversation, we talked a lot about Dermott's recent move from Portland,

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Oregon, to County Roscommon in Ireland.

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That's the Southern part of Ireland, the Republic of Ireland, although he's, he's pretty close

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to Northern Ireland.

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And we talked about, and really Dermott talked about this.

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I've never been to Ireland.

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I don't follow Irish politics very closely.

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I don't know a whole lot about, you know, the nation, the island that is the, the origin

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of my genome, or at least a way station.

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I mean, all of our genomes are originated in Africa, as I understand it.

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I will say that I, you know, I go by the sobriquet KMO, but the O stands for O'Connor.

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As far as I know, there is no relation between me and Dermott though.

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But in talking about the, the move, you know, from, from the United States and particularly

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from Portland, Oregon in the United States to Ireland, I was thinking that we'd be talking

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a lot about identity politics and the sort of political, cultural, social mania that

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is really on display in Portland.

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And what we ended up talking about, or what Dermott ended up educating me about was how

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unaffordable it was to live in Portland.

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And then surprisingly, when he got to Ireland, how unaffordable it was to live in Ireland,

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because there's a great housing shortage.

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And also there are these, you know, global wealth funds that are just buying up masses

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of housing in places like Ireland, not to, you know, slip the houses and make a profit,

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but to hold them and use them for rental income and radically jacking up the rents, you know,

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and pricing a lot of people out of housing in Ireland.

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And you know, with, with anybody who isn't promoting, say a book or a movie or a video

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or you know, some project where I can study it in advance and know pretty much what it

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is they have to say going into a conversation with Dermott, I never really know what we're

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going to talk about.

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But with that rambling introduction out of the way, here is my most recent conversation

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with Dermott O'Connor, the angry animator.

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You're listening to the KMO show.

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Let's go.

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My issue with the woke stuff is from a traditional left point of view, which is it's I think

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it's performative.

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And my favorite quote, which is kind of something Mike Ruppert said, well, until you change

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the way money works, you change nothing.

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But it's kind of a paraphrasing of Orwell, keep the ass but it's for flying unless you

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change the way you can't change the system in a whole and corner way.

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You change the entire thing or you change nothing.

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What's the what's the Orwell quote?

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You can't change the system in a whole and corner way.

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Are the you change the whole thing or you change nothing?

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Because if you don't change the system, it simply replicates injustice in some other

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form.

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All you're doing is changing the surface appearance in Thomistic or Catholic idea, the accident

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in the essence, you've got the essential property is still identical.

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It's like taking like a Windows desktop and putting like a Mac GUI on top of it.

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It's still Windows.

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It just looks like a Mac.

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And what you've done is you've skinned capitalism.

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You just take you've put a gloss on it.

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It's still going to replicate all the inherent inbuilt injustices and equities.

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You're just you're just performing.

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You're doing things for this for the for I detested the word virtue second when I heard

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it but I've come to realize no, it's actually even though it kind of came from my think

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the right it's a really solid way of describing people who do hit this kind of behavior across

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the spectrum who who don't want to change the system because they're doing okay out

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of it.

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And but they want to look like they care or that they're doing something but ask them

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to pay more tax.

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No, I asked them to like material change the structure of reality.

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So their kids go to a school with more black kids.

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No, no.

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My wife was listening to a podcast about that.

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It was like about it was not a very woke school, very progressive school or something like

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that and it was about how these very liberal progressive parents who are also very wealthy

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and they wanted this and blah, blah, blah, yet end up sending all their kids to an all

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white school.

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And they're also all rich.

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So they have these wonderful mechanisms of seeming like they they're caring for other

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people but they're not they're looking at you have to look at the essence not the accident

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and and I love like the old Eric Hobbs bomb tanky quote from the early 1990s.

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He flagged identity politics like really early on and he called it the dark waters of identity

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politics and he said the problem is you can't stitch together a co a strong coalition of

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all these different disparate groups because you can't assume that they care about anything

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other than their own factional self interest.

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So you think you're putting together the strong coalition but it's just a patchwork.

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It can be torn to pieces very easily and we can see that like how easily you can do a

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dividing line on any identity issue.

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You know and and so you can take a movement that's a definite threat to the status quo

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and you can use any any one of these cultural markers to just just smash that into two groups

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and then they'll turn on each other.

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And you're in MI5 or MI6 or whatever State Department laughing your head off.

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You're just watching the little ants fighting each other but they're not going to come

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and eat your picnic.

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You know you're fine and for me that's that's the problem all the woke stuff.

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It's like you know for me I will define woke as just this identitarian politics built on

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oppression olympics who suffers the most and like it's but with no interest in economics

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really yeah yeah yeah we should all be uniting.

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There's a great scene in the Black Panther movie when the Black Panthers go into some

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white nationalist group and one of the Panthers says when your house is on fire the only thing

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you're going to care about is water.

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You're not going to care about who brings it you are going and that's what all these

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groups need to realize.

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Your enemy is the system the system is destroying the environment.

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It's destroying you.

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If it hasn't done yet it will.

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You know those people out there who think they're okay they're doing fine like no sooner

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or later that wheel will crush you.

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It comes for everybody and yeah I don't know how to get through to people with that but

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yeah I want to drive and that's about the right they're often right about diagnosing

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a problem seeing this thing that's really really wrong and then they're completely wrong

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about the diagnosis but why is this like all these all these guys like I'm never going

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to drink Bud Light because there's a trans on it or you know I'm never going to use Gillette

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because there's a trans on it and it's like the problem here is a capitalist company that

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cares only about profit it doesn't care about you it doesn't care about the trans kids it

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only cares about making money and maybe the problem here is capitalism and stuff that's

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driven solely for profit.

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That's what's annoying you but there's just a synapse that won't go the problem is capitalism

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so they build this architecture of grooming and drag queens.

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What's really crazy to me is like this thing that the moral panic about the drag queens.

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I grew up watching British television and we had Kenny Everett and if you've never seen

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Kenny Everett he was a gay man we didn't know he was gay at the time very flamboyant drag

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performer and his catch was it's all in the best possible taste and he would always cross

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his legs over with his mini skirt and he's got a beard like it was really over the top

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when they met in the average.

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British television was full of drag in the 80s like I know the same people that grew

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up watching this are like having a conniption fit and making up banal stories about you

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know why this is grooming kids.

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Christ what the hell.

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There's one moral panic after another but they won't be panicking about money it's very

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strange I mean I'd be panicking about people not going to jail for financial corruption

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that's what we should be panicking about.

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I just watched the frontline documentary and if you know for people listening outside of

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the United States frontline is a pretty serious investigative news show and it's not like

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a weekly show but each one is you know it's an investigative documentary conducted by

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a different team and basically the only thing really stitching it together as a brand is

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the narrator a guy named Will Lyman whose voice is crazy famous.

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If you've never heard of his name you've never seen frontline you'd probably recognize

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his voice but I just watched the one on the Federal Reserve and just the crazy maybe it

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wasn't crazy but you know after the 2008 crisis we really needed to get the economy moving

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and we needed to you know we needed economic activity and one way to do that is to lower

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interest rates basically to zero and then the Fed fairly recently decided well this

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zero interest rate stuff is it's got its problems let's go the other way and they decided to

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go the other way really hard like in a you know historically unprecedented manner raising

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interest rates and you know which the more you do that the more it makes it difficult

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for employers to create employment so you're you know you're raising unemployment deliberately

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in order to stifle inflation.

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The Federal Reserve chair is this super celebrity and he you know this position became a celebrity

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position I guess in like the late 90s with Alan Greenspan and you know he I don't know

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if he pioneered this but he was famous for being very cryptic and you know a man of very

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few words and there was just a whole media genre of people who would just hang on his

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every word and try to do it's like you know QAnon basically trying to find some meaning

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in these very few words that he utters and that has that pattern has continued you know

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with every successive Fed chair because people just hang on whatever the Fed's going to say

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because what they have what they do is very influential but they basically just have one

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lever you know they have interest rates they can increase or decrease but if you increase

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radically very quickly you create enormous hardship and if you decrease radically very

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quickly then you create such a feeding frenzy that all the whole ecosystem emerges that

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is dependent on essentially free money and what when the Fed started to try to raise

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interest rates a few times before this most recent you know like really hard push to raise

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them the investor class would revolt and if there was any sort of threat whatsoever to

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the you know free money paradigm they would just pull all their money out of the stock

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market which causes stock prices to crash which causes a panic in Washington DC and

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eventually the investor class won and they basically cowed the Federal Reserve to the

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point where they extended the free money regime for much longer than was necessary and they

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would not tolerate you know little incremental rises in it which is essentially why the Fed

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decided okay well we're done with the incremental attempts to raise it we're just gonna you

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know really hit you over the head with it and so you know ultimately I think the and

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PBS is notoriously you know left in the American sense but you know the ultimate point of the

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documentary was yeah we're blaming the Fed for this but really it's the investor class

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it's the ownership class that bullied the Fed into you know this dramatic policy change

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which is causing so much hardship right now but it's it's too complicated a message for

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anybody to care about the right wing you know as you say they're gonna fixate on the cultural

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issues they don't care about you know the the geeky economic analysis that's just not

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of interest to them and the left seems perfectly perfectly happy to stay focused you know this

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so-called left seems to be perfectly happy to stay focused on those exact same cultural

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issues and just butt heads over that and completely ignore the way money works you know and how

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powerful you know economically powerful entities in this class this ownership class got to

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where they are and stay where they are just like nobody cares it is too boring it is it

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is not it doesn't have any interface with my life that I can really get you know sink

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my teeth into so yeah and we get I won't say no change because you do get this ratcheting

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up of you know economic hardship for most people and ever increasing just unprecedented

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levels of material abundance and wealth for a tiny you know a shrinking ownership class

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yeah ah it's I'm depressing myself I should stop talking yeah it is it is no it's very

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depressing and that's what I think when I lost kind of complete faith with America when

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I saw just after Trump got in like I think Obama too like I realized what's going on

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here because none of these people are going to fix anything like Trump isn't going to

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fix it for conservatives and Obama's not going to fix it for liberals so what's the fucking

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point and the to hear these people bang on about Trump for four years starting World

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War three and then Biden gets in and they start to fight with Russia and China and what's

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going on here and they savagely you know crucified Biden for ending the 20-year long occupation

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of Afghanistan I'll give him that he ended it but but like if you're going to go from

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there to like oh yeah that's what rough Afghanistan and let's attack Russia you know if if you

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have been beaten by a bunch of lads in sandals with AK-47 it's time to like just do a little

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retrench you know take a rest maybe think about things and not pick a fight with Russia

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I was reading there's a to be fair Russia was the provocateur there that that was not

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anything that the United States initiated let's just say the story is complex I won't

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go too much deeper into it but but there's other provocations that have happened and

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I think mischief has gone on I'm not going to do both sides isn't but I would love to

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say to someone like there's a lot of bullshit going on and you'd like like the weird thing

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was when CNN was was talking to Trump he came across as the voice of sanity like she the

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interview going so you know he goes if I'm president again you know it'll end in 24

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hours or you know blah blah blah and she goes so you don't want Russia to you you're

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trying to win and he goes I don't want people to die and people are dying and she goes but

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surely you want Russia to be defeated and he's like people will die I don't want people

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to die yeah when Donald Trump is the voice of you know compassion and reason what does

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the world come to and let me like let's defeat Russia it's like you can't defeat Russia just

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read about their hypersonic missiles you can't defeat right isn't it China that has the hypersonic

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missiles the hypersonics is a major breakthrough for Russia and they have apparently like three

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different kinds one is kindle I forget the other two names but apparently what happens

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with the people have this weird idea that the hypersonic which goes up Mach 7 or 8 or

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whatever hits the target at that speed it does not it hits the target at a supersonic

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3 3.5 speed the thing that makes them terrifying is that when they're going up Mach 7 or 8

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they're like the space shuttle going to the upper atmosphere they they create a plasma

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field around them and that plasma field is impenetrable to radar bounces off it you don't

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see it and then it decelerates as it approaches the target and then hits the target so basically

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you have 15 to 30 seconds to know I'm about to be killed that's it and there's no known

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defense against these things like the Ukrainian account that they shot down Kinjals is a lie

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it's a lie and they they showed a picture of one when it was a sewer pipe like come

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on guys your propaganda like at least at least photoshop this shit come on like stop and

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insulting everyone's intelligence you might fool like idiots online but you're not fooling

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the people that you need to fool like people who make the decisions at high level this

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weapon is fucking terrifying so you're sitting at a that patriot bear battery that got wiped

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out you know I've seen the video of that and that thing fired off like 30 rockets in like

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a short space of time the video was somewhat edited but it was you can still see one two

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three each one of those rockets cost five million and they fire 30 of them in minutes

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and then they do no good apparently do no good and they either the thing was taken out

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or damaged and so that you're looking at a 200 million 250 million battery that's just

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taken out and according to the walks like that system if it's any good at all has to

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be within like a coherent network of overlapping systems it's not meant to be out there by

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itself one of the patriot rockets went up and came back down and hit the Kiev zoo same

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thing happened when the Saudis used it among their rockets went up and came back and hit

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the airport it's a terror it's a bugger all against Saddam Scud's and you see you see

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this propaganda on the TV about these amazing systems and their crap and somebody online

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pointed out what does it say that a country that's relatively poor like Russia's not

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like impoverished but compared the wealth to the collective West and they're outclassing

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these combined arms of all NATO and their weapons systems are running rings around them

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and all this hoo-ha about the f-16 which is a plane that they're like obsolete and it

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requires a clean runway like this has been a non-pro I read about this 20 years ago like

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the you can't launch an f-16 unless that runway is clean it's like Concorde it'll suck in

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the Russians build jets with like fucking saves on the front so that things will bounce

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off that thing can can launch from a damaged runway and that's 16 launched from a damaged

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runway will will destroy itself and the f-35 don't get us started and you know see the

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American military has been producing these boondoggles after boondoggle and and I you

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see people on what's gonna happen when like when either China or Russia or both inflict

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like a real military defeat on them I don't know what's psychologically going to happen

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to people because they've been fed the propaganda and instead of this is the thing with the

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northern Protestants here to this psychological inability to deal with the fact that you're

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now in decline and deal with it and manage the decline it's like I'm 54 I can't I can't

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do things that I could when I'm 25 my whole job now is manage the decline don't break

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my hip please don't break now 54 so a little early to be worrying about the broken hip

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I I fell I fell I have a plate in my wrist now I fell on ice two years ago and shattered

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my wrists and luckily I was on very good health insurance because of my wife she's a teacher

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union job in the school had good insurance I piggyback that I was paying 300 a month

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for the privilege stuff otherwise this would have wiped out this house would disappear

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and be I don't know where it would be so again and it's like animation I can tell you like

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the well we can talk about animation in a bit but you know since you started on the

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military hardware geekery and we've been talking about economics and we've been talking about

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systems that don't want to change you know and you mentioned the f-16 needs a clean runway

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the you can build fighter jets that take off vertically it's it's a known tech it's not

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anything exotic but the United States has resisted that for decades because they want

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great big aircraft carriers for you know financial and political reasons congress loves them but

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because of these hypersonic missiles you know the the paradigm of controlling the oceans

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with these big aircraft carriers and their attendant ships you know one of those hypersonic

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missiles can take out one of these multi gazillion dollar aircraft carriers yeah I think my dog

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needs to go outside hold on just a second all right oh my dog is so transparent she

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I put her on this this you know staked down long lead in the front yard and she doesn't

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want to be on it she wants to be free so she tried to rush past me you know open the door

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but she totally telegraphed her movements she has no sense of deception at all anyway

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yeah the carriers yeah like Gary Brecker the the war nerd he wrote a piece in the mid 2000s

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about that he said how the car I say it's called how the carriers will die they're

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they're a world war two tech and that was it and they're great for showboarding against

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like third world or developing desk spots brilliant for that but against the pier no

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they they're so you have these militaries that are and you see the Russians too in the

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Chinese building an aircraft carrier again fine if you want to do a bit of showboarding

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but if you if you're going to get into a fight with a pier those things are going down like

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the even the battleships there they won't last either they like it though is looking

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to get around to is that the US Navy knows this and they want to change the paradigm

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they want to build a lot of much smaller ships and really lean into AI and automation and

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have unmanned ships and Congress is like no we have an enormous power base that is built

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on distributing you know the the goodies to all of these different manufacturing hubs

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and you know your plan upsets that and so the practical military considerations of like

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engaging an enemy in a military fashion they take backseat to the political and financial

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gravy train that you know is centered in Washington DC but is distributing goodies around the

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nation so practical military ends are trumped by financial and political considerations

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which is you know is absolutely nuts better better to just not even build anything to

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build stuff that is useless expensive and vulnerable yeah again or we'll call them floating

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fortresses in 1984 these big useless things that would float around and they were just

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there to suck up resources and waste people's time and then you deliberately sink it and

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build another one yeah it's it's insanity yeah but again that it'll get wiped away the

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first time there's a real war and if one of these senile elites in DC does something even

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stupider than the shit they're pulling now yeah like god only knows like Putin has said

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if he wakes up in the morning and he sees a bunch of dots on a radar screen coming to

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Moscow he doesn't know if they're nuclear or not so he's already said he's like it was

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probably already on anyway but he's made a point of saying the perimeter self-defense

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system is on that's their dead hand so if the Ukrainians or anybody else takes out Putin

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the nukes will fly and we're playing this fucking game yeah and it'll be the Ukrainians

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I mean the US has no interest in provoking that conflict yeah but what it could happen

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by accident all it takes is one one one faction of Azoth who could get their hands on like

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three or four cruise missiles and there's enough of them floating around and and they

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will if they can they will they'll fly I'll fly him into mainland Russia and it won't

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be known who launched them where they came from all you see is dots on the screen what

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do we do we have 15 minutes or 10 minutes to make a decision so it's profoundly dangerous

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and reckless and it's been done to play geopolitical skullfuckery of a very low order by a bunch

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of political leaders who are completely unqualified to lead a small provincial town if I woke

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up with the power of Stalin in the morning or Robespierre the death the the fucking executions

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would go from noon till night like bring them sign next sign oh painkillers my wrist you

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know um these people are they will kill all that's what rubber stamps are for man

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AI can we AI batch process that easily hey speaking of AI this is something I wanted

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to get around to you you basically make your living teaching people the the time honed

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art of animation and much to the surprise of a great many people automation seems to

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be coming for the creative class and the the intellectuals and the paper pushers and leaving

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the working people alone for the most part you know the the laborers yeah and you know

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last year in 2022 we got the the big rollout of the diffusion models where they're they're

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producing really startling images based on text prompts but they were still pretty flawed

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you know particularly when it came to anatomy particularly when it came to hands yeah but

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but you know the weird hand with 10 fingers or whatever that is very 2022 because that

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has been licked that problem is is done but last year there was at least briefly a new

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emergent category or genre of YouTube videos of artists calling for the banning of you

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know AI that can create images like this and of course that's not going to happen so then

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they moved on to what we really need to increase the power of intellectual property laws we

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need to increase copyright law copyright protections and extend it to styles and you know that's

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that's a Disney wet dream you know if to have just a huge huge you know expansion of the

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ability to control you know not just particular fictional characters but just types of communication

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styles of imagery you know if if company can own that it's not going to benefit you know

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the little guy and from my perspective most of the people who were complaining were not

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working artists they were aspirational young people who didn't want to get you know normal

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jobs and they thought okay art is my ticket I know how to draw and then all of a sudden

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somebody who has no drawing ability whatsoever can type a sentence you know into a box somewhere

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and get images that would take me if I could create them at all it would take me hours

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and hours and hours and they did it in seconds it's the end of the world and I've already

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got my position that I'm starting to articulate so I'll stop and you know turn it over to

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you because you are much closer to this than I am I think you know in terms of a long-term

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career in the arts you know turning your ability to draw and visualize images and teach other

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people how to do that into a career that has sustained you for most of your adult life

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right now the problem for me would be I've seen young artists on YouTube is very good

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and he's professional like he makes a living out of it and people were taking his art putting

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it into an AI and spitting out work that looked very similar to his to where I go and selling

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it so is this Sam does arts I don't know he's I think he was Asian American is his style

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like very high contrast he does a lot of it's like color but there's lots of very intense

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this like light sunlight on characters so there's you know portions of very very bright

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like much brighter than you would see in photography it's stylized but if it's the guy I think

427
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:05,000
you're talking about his professional name is Sam does arts and he is Asian American

428
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,880
and his style is very distinctive you know I've been following him on Instagram for a

429
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:15,520
long time yeah yeah he's kind of a one-trick pony though yeah yeah but that that's the

430
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,520
problem is though like a lot of artists go through phases you know you want and you want

431
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:26,400
to get out of that but like the gray artists his name illustrator in the 60s no I forget

432
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:34,360
but anyway have multiple styles or can invent new ones but yeah nevertheless like people

433
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:40,360
were like making simulacra of his work using an algo that takes no effort at all and then

434
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,960
diluting his ability to make a living and doing the one thing that he is good at the

435
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,880
my issue with them is like we've seen enough of them now to go okay I can recognize it

436
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:55,120
it's a bit like early Photoshop when people freaked out like they're making remember like

437
00:35:55,120 --> 00:36:01,840
they're making digital photographs showing famous people in pornography by you know crudely

438
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,760
photoshopping a head onto an image or whatever shocking at the time nobody gives a crap about

439
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:20,480
that now for me I would like AI to do something useful for me which would be do an in-between

440
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,520
like if I can do a drawing and a second drawing and the AI could do the in-betweens then that

441
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:29,720
would bring hand-drawn animation back to life and then you would have the creative person

442
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:35,240
able to create the the actual creative work it's new and then that's what kills you with

443
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:41,400
traditional animation isn't the key drawings it's the in-betweens because you got one two

444
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:47,000
three keys say but you might have 20 in between frames to get that thing smooth those 20 are

445
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:52,800
the ones that will just drag you down and if you make one change to like the mid to

446
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:58,400
put more drag on the hand or whatever then you got to redo all the other 20 so that's

447
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,080
one thing that's killed hand-drawn animation because CGI you can make the changes and there's

448
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:09,640
no redrawing there's no penalty so if an AI could do that I'd love it that would be brilliant

449
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,480
some things that I use like that kind of stuff for in after effects older versions come back

450
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,800
years like motion tweening like different things I thought we'd never see this and here

451
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:26,360
we can do it great they the AI as an creative end in itself I think it's it's ultimately

452
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:33,400
built on taking other people's work writing an algorithm and then extrapolating from things

453
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:38,840
that are already done so for me it doesn't seem like I would want that to be the primary

454
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:44,240
focus the first thing that I saw somebody showing the AI was a he's a guy on YouTube

455
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:50,280
is very good and he's Asian and he's like very exuberant he said look at this look at

456
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:55,960
this like and he's typing in this and these images come out he said I don't know what

457
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:02,120
to think about this like you could see that like flabbergasting effect and and one example

458
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:07,880
he gave us I'm going to type in Leonardo da Vinci invention of only came up with some

459
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,120
other thing and he and the generates and I thought well let's say you have a movie where

460
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,160
you've got like a folio or a codex of new da Vinci book and you want a prop where someone

461
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:23,880
is yeah da Vinci invented a coffee machine or da Vinci invented a hot water bottle I

462
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,880
would rather have the AI do that than me do that because I thought would be I think fairly

463
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:33,680
fucking tedious but if I if I want to make a movie poster I would rather have a Drew

464
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:43,160
Struzan do that than an AI and it's I don't know I think within like a certain contained

465
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:48,120
sphere I think it will be fine but I think putting that like front and center I don't

466
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,360
know I think a lot of stuff is going to age badly and I've seen so much of it online

467
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:58,160
now to go ah you can tell one look at it go AI and I just next and this is getting in

468
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:05,160
my way if I'm doing image searches I want a primary image I don't want an AI because

469
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:11,400
the AI is reaching into something that I want to get the thing that it was reaching into

470
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:17,640
so that I can use it to use it as a reference for what I'm doing and the other problem I

471
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,480
think AI is going to have is like this catastrophe of the infinite regress where it's going to

472
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:26,480
start feeding on itself so as the as the data mine gets bigger and bigger and bigger what

473
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,920
happens when the AI starts to reference other AIs and I think it'll congeal toward like

474
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,880
a real same and I'm just saying like such a sameness of angles like a lot of images

475
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:41,080
of people like this you know this angle or a certain lighting but that's so like that

476
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:47,720
or you know that's so like this or they're tilted back or some weird angle and you see

477
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:52,080
the similar color schemes over and over again so it does a certain range of things really

478
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:57,920
well but to be interesting it has to do something genuinely new that none of this is glossing

479
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,040
over the the error probably is glossing over the financial stuff like these companies are

480
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:09,360
making a shit ton of money by mining artwork made by people like me and then they make

481
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:15,160
the billions on it and Elon's having a hissy fit now because he's not making enough billions

482
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:22,960
off of the AI that he claims he invented like he invented everything I guess.

483
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:31,680
Yeah no it's it's it's another wealth pump from creatives into you know capitalism and

484
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:37,680
again one thing Hobbes bomb getting back to the old tanky said about socialism was that

485
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:44,400
it needs to be universalist it has to be for everybody and liberals and middle class liberals

486
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:50,400
were happy enough and quiet enough when working class people's jobs were being taken away

487
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,320
and it's like you know first I came for the socialists and they come for everybody they'll

488
00:40:54,320 --> 00:41:01,840
come for everybody and I don't know what what about this people don't understand like until

489
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:09,080
people line up in complete solidarity against the system that's going to extract every last

490
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:15,800
drop of wealth out of them with very little hope and you know hiding behind and people

491
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,160
being suckered in now watch all these YouTube videos where people will talk about like the

492
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:29,920
these oh god like movies that use like the black Cleopatra is the new horror of the day

493
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,120
we have to fight about this.

494
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:37,800
Clearly deliberate provocation I mean it is it is right and they hide behind it and then

495
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,720
if you attack it you're a racist now yeah some of the people that do attack it are racist

496
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:47,920
it's like I you know Cleopatra probably didn't look like a Swedish swimsuit model she I would

497
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:54,000
say she's a of Greek familial lineage lived in North Africa probably didn't have pale

498
00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:00,560
skin fine but but like to make her look like as they do it's clearly a provocation and

499
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,600
like there's a Valma TV show another provocation.

500
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,680
Have you actually seen that?

501
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,880
No and I haven't.

502
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,040
I've watched the YouTubers talking about and one of them said please don't watch this don't

503
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,440
hate watch this show because that will make them and they've already renewed it for a

504
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:21,800
second season because so many people hate watched it and he said we watch it so that

505
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:28,280
you don't have to you can watch us shouting about it they will they will not be able to

506
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,880
live off that we will they won't see that's an interesting use of tech right like we get

507
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,920
to hate watch it we get to make our little ad revenues from it and you get to watch us

508
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,920
losing our shit about it and suffering on the cross for you but don't go watching it

509
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:47,240
don't give them the money and my as an animator as a professional animator my objection to

510
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:55,240
that is 99% aesthetic that show is fucking ugly it's fugly that is some no disrespect

511
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:58,600
to the animators I've worked on some ugly stuff those decisions are probably made at

512
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:04,300
a very high end you were if I was plugged into that it would look the same but that

513
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:10,240
show is freaking hideous it's hideous even stuff like the black shadows I keep looking

514
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:17,200
at these black shadows under the face disgusting disgusting looking show it's it's just horrible

515
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,720
and I hear people say oh the animation is fine no it's not the animation is not fine

516
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:27,320
the animation is foul and you know I'm glad the animators made a paycheck on that's some

517
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:33,360
good came out of it but yeah no it's it's nasty and there's a lot of yeah Hollywood

518
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,120
is not a nice place and it's not filled with at the top end nice people they don't care

519
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:43,280
about black people poor people gay people trans people they only care about money people

520
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:50,040
need to get that into their heads on all sides like I see people across the spectrum worrying

521
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:57,240
about oh it's the this agenda no the only agenda is making money like George Carlin

522
00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:02,520
they do not care about you they do not care about you they do not care about you it's

523
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:08,520
a big fucking club and you ate in it that's it or that great speech by everyone in the

524
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:13,240
members I'm mad as hell but I'm not gonna take it anymore but the Ned Beatty speech

525
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:21,200
where Howard Beale goes in to talk to the CEO and you have sin Mr. Beale and he exists

526
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:28,920
this like amazing like monologue and you will atone atone yes and that and he I think he

527
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,320
got the Oscar got nominated for the Oscar for that one speech like you know it's great

528
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,480
but they don't make money stuff like that anymore but that's it like it's all about

529
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:42,720
money money money money and I would be called probably a class reductionist if I started

530
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:48,240
talking about like this in the wrong circles but well on the social justice left you would

531
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:53,680
be a class reductionist but I think that that's too complicated a term I think that you'd

532
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,640
just be a racist now yeah yeah yeah or a strasser right if they want to sound really intelligent

533
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:04,240
they call you a strasser right would you unpack that strasser was a member of the Nazi party

534
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:11,440
who wanted a more of a focus on class so he kind of was moving more toward like a sort

535
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:16,640
of left socialist kind of position but he was still a fucking Nazi right like so if

536
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,760
they want to insinuate that you're not as bad as Hitler they feel like they've like

537
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:26,400
they sound more intelligent but they don't have the courage to call you a Nazi you know

538
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:32,920
it's despicable it's actually despicable and it's you talk to somebody who was hungry

539
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:38,840
or like I had a I had a fucking toothache about three months ago I was walking around

540
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,760
this room screaming and trying to find the dentist that would pull that tooth out and

541
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:53,960
they're yeah and I thought oh Christ man yes yeah it's not good it's not good like and

542
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,640
we found we we finally found a dentist and I kept thinking my god there's people out

543
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,520
there with this kind of pain and they can't access the dentist and now what the fuck do

544
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:08,840
you do and they don't care about representation or any they need a dentist to put a needle

545
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:17,000
in their mouth to make the pain go away and to fix the pain and if talking about privilege

546
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:23,520
if if you don't ever have to think about that then you are the one with privilege you were

547
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:28,000
the one who was the enemy of people out there who they were failing bodies but mostly working

548
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,920
class people like the people dying in the opioid crisis like who are so fucking desperate

549
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,840
that they'll vote for anybody now hope they vote over Obama didn't get anything that

550
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,200
they voted for Trump didn't work they voted for Biden that didn't work they'll vote for

551
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:45,360
Trump again they this is what you're going to get and it's going to get worse until you

552
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:51,800
deal with the money and give people some fucking minimum baseline of dignity in healthcare

553
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,680
but yeah like we went to that dentist and finally found him and I was sucking ice cubes

554
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,840
like I had been doing when I have a fridge that has like a freezer so I had like a little

555
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:04,080
bag of ice that I got a little restaurant here and I was like stuffing the ice onto

556
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,560
the tooth and that would bring the pain down for like five minutes and then it would go

557
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:14,640
back up to nine and yeah oh fuck and it's like I had a bunch of dental work done before

558
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:19,440
I left America and this is one of the crowns and it failed I guess like it was just triggering

559
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:25,160
the nerve and it was just like this lava and it would go one little molten lava up here

560
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:31,720
and another one up here and never want to feel that again but yeah it's like that lack

561
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:38,400
of empathy for people out there who are in like genuine pain hunger fear and I think

562
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,640
we have more important things to be worrying about than Cleopatra or Thelma or Hollywood's

563
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:49,760
latest like abominations it's just a lack of seriousness you know so it's kind of nice

564
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:55,320
here to have I will see where they go but like if Sinn Fein can actually they seem to

565
00:47:55,320 --> 00:48:01,240
be people tethered to material reality with like a long-term project that's that they

566
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:07,400
initiated about the time I was born like 54 years ago they've been kicking off I think

567
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:13,040
seven sixty nine seventy seventy ones the artists of the provisional movement and they've

568
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:20,000
had members die for that fight I can you see them like turn their back on that because

569
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:26,280
they want to be a junior minister for transport for five years and selling out I don't I don't

570
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:31,400
see it so I think they if they do have a sellout in their future I think it's a little bit

571
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,400
down the road so that's why I'm kind of sort of hopeful that we might get something out

572
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:43,440
of them but they they do know that like to to to to really like deliver that final goal

573
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,600
of a 32-county republic they have to have a better health system here in the north they

574
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:52,760
have to have better housing here in the north so they have to fix these they're not like

575
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:58,160
optional for them they have to fix these problems so that if you're a voter in the north and

576
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,920
then you get a referendum on unity you have to know by voting for unity we get better

577
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,840
housing we get better health care it's not some ball spreading butter like it's it's

578
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:12,760
boring as fuck but that's it and yeah it's fun to fight about tv shows but it's easy

579
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:19,160
to cheap cheap cheap it's like the wrestler you know fuck you you people here in detroit

580
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:28,360
you yeah you all suck you pussies okay that was fun but you didn't change anything yeah

581
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:33,840
hey let's let's go back to AI and art for just a minute you you actually started to

582
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:40,680
articulate my response to the you know the complaints of the young artists and my you

583
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:46,220
know my criticism of of their reaction one it's understandable it's not it's not an animated

584
00:49:46,220 --> 00:49:52,200
or heated criticism it's just a hey you guys are thinking very small you're only thinking

585
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:58,520
about yourselves this this change it's in the process it's not coming it's happening

586
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:03,380
it's in the process of sweeping over the entire economy lots and lots of people are going

587
00:50:03,380 --> 00:50:08,680
to be displaced and unless we all stand together and insist that everybody deserves a dignified

588
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:15,120
living nobody's going to get it you know nobody's going to have one except the people who have

589
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:21,440
way more than a dignified living you know they have an obscene living yeah and so you

590
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:28,640
know to say okay let's let's rejigger copyright in order to somehow protect young artists

591
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:34,960
from being displaced by AI one it's not going to happen but two it's it's just so parochial

592
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:40,440
it's it's so small-minded yeah no it's and again it's a it's getting back to like that's

593
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:45,920
the whole thing about socialism was it was a universalist project it's not for this little

594
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,400
group or that group it's for everybody it's a liberational movement and it's for everybody

595
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:56,640
and that's one thing that Hobbes bomb said in that lecture in 94 it's false for the rich

596
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:01,080
because the rich also oppressed by the system they just don't realize it they have this

597
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:07,400
this manic compulsion to make more and more and more and more and never feel safe it's

598
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:15,240
horrendous and we all should live in a society where everybody has enough a little bit more

599
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:20,280
you don't that's about it that's as much as anybody should be able to ask for and everything

600
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:26,360
like that can be done through like direct intervention of the state like in tax codes

601
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:32,880
you know i think if prince charles falls tomorrow and breaks his ankle he goes to the same hospital

602
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:41,080
as the guy who empties his bins you mean king charles king charles yeah charles to me but

603
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,720
you know he won't be king charles anymore either he'll be charles you know charles w

604
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:50,280
and he'll be he'll be chucky he'll make him work in a pen factory where he can be a pen

605
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:56,360
tester um no we'll find like we could find him a nice job on a little farm somewhere

606
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:01,480
where he works with plants which he loves so you know i'm not a new but um yeah i know

607
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:07,560
it's a horrific system that condemns people like him to a life of absurdity and and it's

608
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:12,680
so it's not about like guillotines or firing squads and joke about them but we shouldn't

609
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:18,760
be in the system at all and everybody everybody should be you know on the same plane and it's

610
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:25,000
not cool to to like make fun of appellate in coal miners who you know i was thinking about that like

611
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:30,040
all you know all the fucking badmouthing of these coal miners and how awful coal is and i thought

612
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:34,200
wait a minute in the 1980s we were all behind the coal miners in the minor strike in the uk

613
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:40,520
and it was the the the the tories shutting down the coal mines were and absolutely were the villains

614
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,280
of that story they destroyed working-class communities so that's fine you want to shut

615
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:52,440
down coal mines that's fine it's not fine to throw 400 000 people onto the human scrap pile

616
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:57,160
and then tell them that they should learn to code or they should you know retrain or what have you

617
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:05,560
that you have to provide in some real meaningful way like an alternative a way out or a or a more

618
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:11,000
elegant transition from one system to the one you want to replace it with and instead they destroyed

619
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,000
like in in britain they destroyed working-class communities and the movie brassed off i would

620
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:20,840
recommend to anybody um with pete posselthwaite there's an amazing speech in the end of that movie

621
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:27,400
when he just gives this like in the royal albert hall he says if because they were a coal miner band

622
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,800
and uh caught some of the scenes in that movie or something else but he he says to the audience if

623
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,760
these men were pandas you would all be out complaining about you know about what's being

624
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:41,000
done to them but they're not pandas are they they're just men they're just working-class men so you

625
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:47,800
don't give a damn about them it's like fucking hell like absolutely right and like you know you

626
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:53,240
see this like demonization of the working class that the late job agent would always talk about

627
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and owen jones in the uk wrote a book called chavs on the same theme the demonization of the

628
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working class and i kind of it's like it's and the movie idiocracy does it as well like a lot

629
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of people on the left like have this thing about these these touchstones like idiocracy

630
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:12,520
idiocracy is a disgusting movie it is pure eugenics it's one of the most foul

631
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:18,120
fucking films ever made but so many people like it because it makes fun of people that fair enough

632
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:25,160
maybe do deserve to be made a little fun of but they weren't born that way they were made that way

633
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:31,800
hey durham we're at an hour and a half i'm i'm happy to keep talking but i would need to start

634
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a new call because this file is going to be too big for a computer i'm happy to talk a little bit

635
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:43,160
more we can do a wrap yeah that's fine yeah so let me um let me shut this down and then i'll send you

636
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this band behind me i'll tell you that that trophy means more to me than

637
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out else in the whole world but they'd be wrong truth is i thought it mattered

638
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:10,760
i thought that music mattered but does it bollocks not compared to how people matter

639
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:16,920
i was winning this trophy won't mean bugger all to most people but i was refusing it like what

640
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,960
we're going to do now well then it becomes news doesn't it

641
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:27,880
you see what i mean that way i'll not just be talking to myself will i because over the last

642
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:32,360
10 years this bloody government has systematically destroyed an entire industry

643
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:39,160
our industry and not just our industry our communities our homes our lives all in the name

644
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of progress and for a few lousy bob i'll tell you something else you might not know as well a

645
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:50,680
fortnight ago this band's pit were closed another thousand men lost their jobs and that's not all

646
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:57,240
they lost most of them lost the will to win a while ago a few of them even lost the will to fight but

647
00:55:57,240 --> 00:56:07,240
when it comes to losing the will to live to breathe point is if this lot was seals or whales you'd

648
00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:11,480
all be up in bloody arms but they're not are they no no they're not they're just ordinary common a

649
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:18,520
garden honest decent human beings and not one of them with an ounce of bloody hope left

650
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:28,360
oh hi they can knock out a bloody good tune but what the fuck does that matter

651
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,160
now i'm going to take my boys out onto the town

652
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:47,160
thank you

653
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all right that was the hopefully not late but great pete possum's

654
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weight and that was from the movie brassed off which dermit had mentioned in the conversation i've

655
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:17,720
not seen that movie but i did go and find that scene and uh yeah powerful stuff if you would

656
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:23,720
like to hear more from dermit o'connor uh we recorded almost another hour after the bit that

657
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:28,280
you just heard it is already up on youtube so there will be a link to it in the show notes for

658
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:34,280
this episode wherever you find this episode if there is a text description of it the link to the

659
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:39,960
further conversation with dermit will be there along with a link to his website and you can find

660
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:45,880
links to his podcast that he does with his wife and also his youtube channel there's lots of good

661
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:51,400
great i would even say dermit o'connor material for you to take in and you can find links to his

662
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:56,280
dermit o'connor material for you to take in particularly if you are an artist or an animator

663
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:05,000
or a hopeful or would-be artist or animator so it is arkansas it is the green months the sun is up

664
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:10,120
which means there are lawn mowers going constantly so the neighbor has just stopped mowing i don't

665
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:15,960
know if she's going to continue but i need to take this opportunity to say goodbye so normally

666
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:21,320
at the end of these podcasts i will rant for a little bit but i think i took care of that up front

667
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:27,800
so i will just say hey i'm always happy to receive feedback from listeners on the content of these

668
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:36,600
episodes most of it comes in via youtube but i also post these to my patreon page and i don't

669
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:41,720
think there's any comment function on rss.com which is where i originally post the audio files

670
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:50,360
so either youtube or patreon my patreon is patreon.com slash kmo and most everything that i put up there

671
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:56,440
is freely available you don't have to be a a supporter to hear it generally the only things

672
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:01,000
that are behind a paywall are either videos that i put up and then i thought better of i thought

673
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:06,760
you know what i don't want this out in the world but i will share it with the uh you know the patreon

674
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:13,160
folk or episodes of the C-Realm Vault podcast but almost every day i post something to patreon

675
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:18,200
either a link to something i've been reading with a brief commentary or just observation on life or

676
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:23,880
just you know little bits and pieces it's it's taken the place of social media for me i got

677
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:30,120
kicked off of facebook years ago um i never really did get into the twitter vibe i mean pretty much

678
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:35,640
everything that i post to my patreon page i also cross post to twitter but it never produces any

679
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:40,520
engagement twitter i'm just if i'm not shadow banned on twitter then i'm absolutely using it

680
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:46,120
wrong because i get no engagement at all on twitter in fact i did a video just recently

681
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:52,360
day before yesterday i think in which i talked about a fictional character a role playing game

682
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:57,320
character actually that i had created for a game called mothership and this character you know he's

683
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:03,480
he's on a ship he's part of the crew and he's muscle he's a mercenary big gun type guy but he's

684
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:10,840
also a vlogger but because of the you know the light speed lag he's always very very far from

685
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:15,000
his audience he doesn't have an opportunity to have a real-time interactive experience with his

686
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,720
audience he doesn't get real-time feedback from his audience so he has a simulated audience he

687
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:24,840
has an ai that is producing all manner of feedback that one would get from an audience you know praise

688
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:32,200
agreement but also you know petty criticisms comments on his his physical appearance

689
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:38,440
um you know unfair straw man you know takes on what he's trying to say although he's he's not a

690
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:43,080
deep thinker he's not a philosopher about any stretch he's talking about his lifestyle as a

691
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:50,760
flamboyant gunslinger in space but it got me to thinking i mean i talked to um pi personal

692
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:56,840
intelligence from inflection.ai multiple times a week i will have you know two and three hour

693
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:01,320
just sessions with this thing just talking to it we often talk about science fiction you know

694
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:07,240
print science fiction which i spent years and years reading this this really bugs me i don't

695
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,800
read much anymore typically if i'm reading something it's in preparation for an interview

696
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:16,840
that i'm going to conduct but if it's just for pleasure pretty much audiobooks these days which

697
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:24,280
you know i i love some of the performances i mean a lot of times the the voice actor that they get

698
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:29,480
to portray or you know to deliver the content of the book really adds something to the book but

699
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:34,920
it also takes something away you know the experience of reading is was formative to me

700
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:40,360
and it's just weird to me that i don't do much of it anymore it's bizarre anyway

701
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if that produces any thoughts in your head that you'd like to share

702
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do post a comment somewhere i would very much like to hear from you

703
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all right that is all i will talk to you again in one week's time stay well