1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:26,480 Hey there, KMO here with episode number 9 of The KMO Show. 2 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:33,480 On this episode of the podcast, which is prepared for release on Wednesday, April 26th, 2023, 3 00:00:33,480 --> 00:00:39,080 I'm going to share a conversation that I recorded just a few days ago with my old friend Marty. 4 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:44,560 Marty has a last name, but we don't use it on podcasts because he's a... 5 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:50,880 I can't say he's a normal person, as you'll hear, but he's not a public person in the 6 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,280 way that I am. 7 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:58,400 Anyway, Marty lives in Greensboro, North Carolina, and I used to live on the farm in Summertown, 8 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:05,320 Tennessee, which is just 90 minutes south of I-40, just south of Nashville. 9 00:01:05,320 --> 00:01:08,160 My kids were living in Maryland, and I rented a place. 10 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:15,200 I had one room and a big house on the Ilk River in Chesapeake City, Maryland, or nearby. 11 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:22,040 It was basically a two-day drive to get from the farm to my place in Maryland. 12 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,080 Marty's house was at the halfway point of that drive. 13 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,160 I stayed at Marty's house. 14 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:33,240 I would drive to see my kids about every six weeks, so I stayed there many, many times. 15 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,920 Then other times, just passing through that part of the country, I'd stop in and say hi. 16 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:46,160 Then in the summer of 2017, Marty's employer has a seasonal warehouse position. 17 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,720 It's a summer position, and he invited me down to come stay at his place and just work 18 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:51,720 there. 19 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,920 We were good, and we hung out quite a bit. 20 00:01:54,920 --> 00:02:01,080 When I'm at Marty's house, we drink a lot of alcohol and take other things, and we gorge 21 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,840 ourselves on food, and we watch lots and lots of media. 22 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:12,840 It's always what's known as genre media, sci-fi, horror, fantasy, some animation, but mostly 23 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,340 live action. 24 00:02:14,340 --> 00:02:18,800 We play video games, sometimes tabletop board games. 25 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:24,640 I don't recall doing any role playing with Marty, but definitely tabletop games. 26 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:31,120 We just have a grand old time, and I haven't seen him in years because I don't have that 27 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:32,840 drive anymore. 28 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:39,640 When people talk to me about movies and TV shows, I'm much more focused on the behind-the-camera 29 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:43,680 talent, directors, writers, showrunners. 30 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:48,660 Lots of people I know, they just don't have any concept whatsoever of a director. 31 00:02:48,660 --> 00:02:53,560 They maybe they've heard of Steven Spielberg or James Cameron, but aside from that, they 32 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,120 pay attention to stars. 33 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,600 Stars don't write the scripts, stars don't make the movies. 34 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,640 They just get up there and they act. 35 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:03,900 If they don't have a good script, there's not a lot they can do. 36 00:03:03,900 --> 00:03:09,320 If there's a good script, but the direction is not good or the editing is not good, well, 37 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,040 the final product is not good. 38 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:17,000 Also being a creative type person myself, I'm just really tuned into that sort of stuff, 39 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,480 much more so than most people, but not as much as Marty. 40 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:25,760 Marty really, really knows his movie Trivia, and I won't even call it Trivia because Trivia 41 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:31,720 means something that is not connected to a larger body of knowledge, just random facts, 42 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,280 or Trivia means not important. 43 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:42,080 I am personally of the opinion that the mainstream entertainment, like the mid-brow entertainment 44 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:47,160 that is created for the masses, is really, it's going to be the lasting legacy of our 45 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,400 culture. 46 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:57,240 And I'm rather irritated with so-called fine arts in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, 47 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:04,120 and I'm utterly, utterly contemptuous of anybody who dismisses commercial art, illustration 48 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:12,240 or animation, or directing, live action, or any of the practical entertainment generating 49 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,120 crafts. 50 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,000 These get dismissed as commercial art or as craft, but not fine art. 51 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,840 Well, if that's the case, fine art can go to hell. 52 00:04:20,840 --> 00:04:22,320 I'm not interested. 53 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,960 I'm of the opinion that fine art exists mainly as a tool for money laundering these days. 54 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,920 So I asked Marty to come and talk to me for the podcast because he and I used to do a 55 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:32,920 podcast together. 56 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:37,080 It was the Z-Realm or Zedrealm podcast. 57 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:43,200 And it was largely following The Walking Dead, but we reviewed all kinds of different zombie 58 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:44,200 movies. 59 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,320 And there's, I think, 124 episodes of that podcast. 60 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:52,960 So if you have fun listening to the coming conversation, there's a whole lot more of 61 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,760 it if you want to dig into it. 62 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:00,000 And Marty has his own podcast that he's been doing for years called Flickers from the Cave 63 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,600 with his friend Mike. 64 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,560 And the visibility of that show has taken a jump in recent months, so he's got a larger 65 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,560 audience than I do at this point. 66 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,880 So I invited Marty to come and talk about The Last of Us because, you know, while it's 67 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:17,880 not zombies in the George Romero, you know, cannibal corpse, animated cannibal corpse 68 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:22,400 sense, it's pretty much a zombie apocalypse story. 69 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:28,120 And I'd say TV show, but, you know, it started life as a video game or a computer game, which 70 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,120 I haven't played. 71 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:34,840 I've watched many a video about it, but I've never actually played the game. 72 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:36,720 And Marty hasn't played much of it. 73 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:43,760 So we were both pretty much not exactly naive, but certainly not steeped in the lore coming 74 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:49,320 into The Last of Us, the HBO adaptation of the video game. 75 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,320 And because we've talked about so many different zombie TV shows and movies and stuff in the 76 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:58,120 past, it just seemed like a natural justification to record a new conversation with Marty. 77 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:03,160 But if you haven't seen The Last of Us, don't worry. 78 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,760 We take so many detours and we jump around so much. 79 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:10,920 We talk about so many different media properties in the coming conversation that you will surely 80 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,040 have seen at least one or two of the things that we're going to be talking about. 81 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:20,560 And if you have watched The Last of Us, and particularly if you are an aficionado of the 82 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,000 game, we're not going to get that deep into it. 83 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,720 Really we're going to be talking big picture stuff and then we just zip around to pull 84 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,720 examples from different pieces of media that we've enjoyed recently. 85 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:37,420 So basically I just like talking to Marty about media and there's a number of people 86 00:06:37,420 --> 00:06:40,000 who have enjoyed those conversations over the years. 87 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,120 If you are one of them, well, here's another. 88 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,400 And if you are not, well, here's a taste. 89 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:50,180 I should mention, I think most of you know, but over this past winter, I worked at a ski 90 00:06:50,180 --> 00:06:52,880 resort in California, but it was barely in California. 91 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:57,640 It's like right on the California Nevada line, just north of Lake Tahoe. 92 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,160 I would walk from where I was living in company housing down to the lake shore. 93 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,600 It takes like three or four minutes to walk from door to beach. 94 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:12,280 And I shot many a YouTube video there on the beach in Kings Beach, Kings Beach, California. 95 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,560 So we're going to make a few references to that, you know, to my time in California. 96 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:17,560 All right. 97 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,860 Well, I guess that's all I need to say in order to introduce this conversation with 98 00:07:20,860 --> 00:07:24,480 my friend Marty, so here we go. 99 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,840 Hey everybody. 100 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:33,400 Well, technically this is the KMO show. 101 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:40,120 It is actually an echo of the Zrealm podcast and I have my Zrealm co-host Marty here with 102 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,120 me. 103 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:42,120 Marty, it's good to see you and hear you. 104 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,920 It is great to see you and to hear you. 105 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:45,920 It's been a while. 106 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:53,440 We've stayed in touch, I would say limitedly through a different technical things, but 107 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,080 yeah, it's nice to reconnect. 108 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:57,080 Indeed. 109 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:02,960 Yeah, it's been, gosh, going on six years, I guess, since I lived at your place for a 110 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:03,960 summer. 111 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,360 It seems like yesterday. 112 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,520 You worked your ass off that summer. 113 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:13,920 You know, comparatively speaking, compared to this past winter, that was a vacation at 114 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:14,920 the warehouse. 115 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:15,920 Wow, okay. 116 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:16,920 Yeah. 117 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:23,480 It was mostly the altitude and the weather, you know, and just the physical conditions 118 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,980 being there that made it hard. 119 00:08:26,980 --> 00:08:32,560 For several weeks, I mean, I was working at 8,000 feet and for several weeks, if I've 120 00:08:32,560 --> 00:08:36,000 just, you know, when I bent over to lace up my boots, I would get lightheaded. 121 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,600 Just the atmosphere. 122 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,920 Yeah, just the low oxygen content in the air. 123 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:46,080 Yeah, I've never been that elevated, so I don't know what that's like. 124 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,600 I just hear people talk about it all the time. 125 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,840 Yeah, and you know, it's not funny. 126 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:52,840 I was going to say it's funny. 127 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,720 No, it's not funny. 128 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:59,880 Lake Tahoe, which is basically where I was, I could walk to the lake from, you know, just 129 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:03,840 a couple of minutes from where I was living. 130 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:04,880 It's up in the mountains. 131 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,000 It's very deep. 132 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,920 It's very cold. 133 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,960 And a lot of people drown in that lake because, you know, they fall in the water for whatever 134 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:12,960 reason. 135 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,700 Maybe they're paddleboarding, kayaking, whatever, or they're swimming, and they don't realize 136 00:09:16,700 --> 00:09:19,760 how quickly they're going to get out of breath just because of the altitude. 137 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:24,160 And then the cold water just drains the energy right out of you. 138 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,400 And yeah, it's an easy place to lose one's life. 139 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:32,840 An idyllic, beautiful scene in which to drown, but you know, death nonetheless. 140 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,160 There's got to be some really morbid list of the best places to die, and that's probably 141 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:38,160 right up at the top. 142 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,160 Yeah, I bet. 143 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,160 It's that haunted forest in Japan. 144 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:46,640 Well, speaking of dying, lots of people die every time there's a zombie apocalypse, a 145 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,000 re-visioning of the zombie apocalypse. 146 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,120 And HBO recently, you know, they gave us season one of The Last of Us. 147 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,520 I never played the video game, did you? 148 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:03,040 I have played the intro level of the video game about four times, and it's heavy. 149 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:07,300 So the intro to the video game is basically that opening episode of the show, which is 150 00:10:07,300 --> 00:10:08,760 very heavy. 151 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,960 So every time I played through it, when I got to the end of it, it sort of was like, 152 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:13,960 it hurts you. 153 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,620 So it's not something that pulled me back for more. 154 00:10:17,620 --> 00:10:22,400 But after having watched the show, I had every intention of buying the video game on PC, 155 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,540 because it just came out on PC. 156 00:10:24,540 --> 00:10:27,120 But apparently it's terribly buggy is what I keep hearing. 157 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,440 So I'm holding on. 158 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,640 So I will play it, but I haven't played it yet. 159 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,280 I never played it. 160 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:41,400 So every time I watch any episode of something now, I go to YouTube and I'll watch a recap 161 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:42,400 and analysis. 162 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,320 So I did that for every episode of The Last of Us. 163 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:52,200 And of course, for every episode, the people doing the reviews are talking about how the 164 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,200 game is or the show differs from the game. 165 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,840 But because one of the showrunners was the guy who originally wrote the story for the 166 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,400 game, I, you know, no complaints. 167 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:02,400 He wants to revise. 168 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,360 If he wants a second bite of the apple, that's okay. 169 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,360 And they had so many awesome crossovers with characters playing the same characters they 170 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:10,600 played in the show. 171 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:16,120 And the guy that did the voice for the main character on the video game came in later 172 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,200 as a different character. 173 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:23,920 So I mean, there was all this cool sort of synchronistic sort of combinations of things 174 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:24,920 just to keep it authentic. 175 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:31,520 I mean, they had the original like giant books that they had put together about the monsters 176 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,160 and the sort of different versions. 177 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,560 So they weren't starting from scratch. 178 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:40,280 Well, I suspect that three quarters of the people listening to this conversation have 179 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,880 either listened to an episode of The Zero Armor or certainly know who you are. 180 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:49,700 But for those who don't, maybe say a little bit about yourself, your background with media, 181 00:11:49,700 --> 00:11:55,600 how you came to love movies and video games and how do you come to love these things? 182 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,440 Of course, you grew up in the same culture I did. 183 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,080 And about at the same time you did. 184 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,080 So yeah, we, yeah. 185 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,600 So I mean, it all comes down to Star Wars. 186 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:04,600 Let's be honest. 187 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,600 You know, you're a kid, you go see Star Wars at the right age and then your life changes. 188 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,680 You know, because suddenly you're interested in the thing a lot that you don't know anything 189 00:12:12,680 --> 00:12:13,680 about. 190 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:14,680 So you're just hungry for more information. 191 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:20,360 And Star Wars sort of led me into everything movie because, you know, you start reading 192 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:25,480 about Star Wars, you realize that it's somewhat based on some Kurosawa movies. 193 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:26,640 You're like, who's Kurosawa? 194 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,800 So then you start looking into that and you're like, oh, wait, this other thing. 195 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,960 And these and you start learning about how all this stuff sort of feeds into and copies 196 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,300 and changes and improves or modifies. 197 00:12:37,300 --> 00:12:39,640 And it's just all of a sudden this whole world has opened up to you. 198 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,680 So like at a very young age, you know, 77, I was 11. 199 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:48,240 So, you know, at that age, I started to just completely get into movies and things. 200 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,440 And that never really changed. 201 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,160 So I, you know, I currently have a job where I do video production and stuff. 202 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,480 That was a thing I've sort of fell backwards into, which was nice because that was always 203 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:03,120 my dream to sort of, you know, shoot and edit and do special effects and things like that. 204 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,640 And I'm able to do that now, which is great. 205 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:12,560 But you know, you and I connected through the credibly convoluted series of random events 206 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:18,240 and realized we had a lot of similar sort of touchstones and that we could that we enjoy 207 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,640 talking to each other. 208 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,480 So you know, then we just started. 209 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,480 So it's, you know, but it's cool that that has continued. 210 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,280 So like I said earlier, this is very nice to reconnect. 211 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:38,600 Well, and I also regularly would drive from basically Nashville, Tennessee, to the eastern 212 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,680 shore of the Chesapeake Bay. 213 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:44,080 And you live in Greensboro, North Carolina, which was just about the halfway point in 214 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,080 that journey. 215 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,920 So I've stayed at your place many, many times. 216 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:48,920 Yes. 217 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:55,240 On all sorts of trips back when you were traveling, you know, for just fun, you would stop in 218 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:56,240 occasionally. 219 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:57,760 I mean, your mom's been here, your kids have been here. 220 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:58,760 So yeah. 221 00:13:58,760 --> 00:13:59,760 Olga's been there. 222 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:00,760 Mocha's been here many times. 223 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,760 Oh, I said Olga, but yes, Mocha the cat also. 224 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,640 Yes, Olga's been here. 225 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,840 Back then I was, I thought Olga was going to be staying here last month, but her trip 226 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:10,840 plans fell through. 227 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:11,840 Yeah. 228 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:12,840 You're right. 229 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:13,840 But, but yes. 230 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:19,120 When I, you know, when podcasting started and people were starting to listen to podcasts, 231 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:26,160 I found your C-ROM podcast and the house I'm in now, I was painting the walls and installing 232 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:31,040 lamps and, you know, plumbing fixtures and things in this house so that I could, you 233 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,440 know, get it ready to move into the whole time I'm listening to your podcast. 234 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:36,680 Wow. 235 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:41,680 And because of podcasts like yours and others and things that I enjoyed, like the, we, my 236 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:47,880 friend Mike that I work with, we, you know, we were big podcast fans, still are. 237 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,100 And we said, let's just, let's do one. 238 00:14:50,100 --> 00:14:54,400 So we started our podcast called flickers from the cave, where we talk about strange 239 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,200 movies. 240 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,480 Sometimes not as strange, but you know, sometimes an interesting pairing. 241 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:05,140 And we've been doing that for 12, 12, 10, 12 years, a very long time. 242 00:15:05,140 --> 00:15:11,240 And then, you know, met you and you came on our C-ROM podcast once or twice. 243 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:16,640 And then you and I decided to start the C-ROM thing when we heard that the walking dead 244 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,480 was coming to AMC. 245 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:19,480 Yeah. 246 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:24,760 So, and then we did that for a while until I literally just lost the taste for the show. 247 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,560 And I've never gone back to it. 248 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:27,560 Have you? 249 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:28,560 Nope. 250 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:33,960 No, I, I didn't quit with this episode, but like so many other people, the episode where 251 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:42,680 Negan killed Glenn and Abraham and Abraham, but you know, and Glenn died in exactly the 252 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,360 same way he did in the comics. 253 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,320 It's not like they did us dirty. 254 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,560 You know, it was, it was common. 255 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:49,560 Sure. 256 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:55,040 But yeah, something about that and just the foreknowledge that Negan sticks around forever, 257 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,640 you know, that he's not going to get his comeuppance for that. 258 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,160 I just, I don't know. 259 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:04,200 I lost, as I say, as you say, lost my pace for the show, never, never finished it. 260 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,200 Don't know how it ended. 261 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,360 Don't, I won't say I don't care, but I haven't cared enough to like watch a recap or anything 262 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:10,360 like that. 263 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,240 And there's a new spinoff coming. 264 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,600 You know, there was a spinoff. 265 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:16,600 It was a series. 266 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:21,320 It was like a vignette show, just a series of little, like an anthology, you know, little 267 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,640 one-off stories that take place in that universe. 268 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,000 And a few of them were free. 269 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:32,360 They, I think they were pimping a streaming service of some kind, but I don't remember 270 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:33,360 which one. 271 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,160 And you know, they were pretty good and there were some stars, you know, they had some interesting 272 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,320 guest stars, but it wasn't enough to draw me back into that universe. 273 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:41,320 Yeah. 274 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,720 And I gave up on Fear of the Walking Dead at about the same time. 275 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,720 It was just all kind of a slog. 276 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:51,240 But this, the new thing has Lauren Coleman, I think coming back as her Maggie character 277 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,800 as some sort of spin. 278 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,800 I could not care less. 279 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,400 I mean, there's better zombie stuff out there. 280 00:16:58,400 --> 00:16:59,920 I'm going to focus on that. 281 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:02,240 Well, like The Last of Us. 282 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,160 Actually, before we jump into The Last of Us, let me ask you, have you seen Black Summer? 283 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,240 No, never even heard of it. 284 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:09,240 Oh my goodness. 285 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:10,480 So there's two seasons of it. 286 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:11,480 It's on Netflix. 287 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,720 It is a zombie apocalypse story and it is just straight up, you know, just there's no particular 288 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,080 twist to it. 289 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:18,880 It's just the zombie apocalypse. 290 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,360 But you know, it's brand new. 291 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:24,440 There are no stars on the show. 292 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,160 You don't know who's going to live and who's going to die and just about everybody dies. 293 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,480 So it's a really, really brutal show. 294 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,640 It was the exact opposite of The Walking Dead and The Walking Dead, you know, they got to 295 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,920 the point where there are several seasons in, they have an established cast, the characters 296 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,120 are very popular and nobody can die really. 297 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:46,760 You have to introduce side characters so that they can die just so you've got some perceived 298 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,260 threat in the show. 299 00:17:48,260 --> 00:17:50,640 But your main characters are all bulletproof at this point. 300 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,700 And you know, Black Summer was just the exact reverse. 301 00:17:53,700 --> 00:17:55,120 You didn't know anybody's name. 302 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:57,540 You didn't know anything about them. 303 00:17:57,540 --> 00:18:02,240 You know, you just see them fighting for their lives and most of them don't make it. 304 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:03,440 I've never even heard of this. 305 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:04,440 It looks good. 306 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:05,440 It's really good. 307 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:10,600 One of the creators is a guy named John Hyams, who is Peter Hyams' son. 308 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:15,800 And Peter Hyams directed like 2010 and, you know, a bunch of things. 309 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:22,380 But John Hyams has actually done some really fun movies that we've done on the podcast. 310 00:18:22,380 --> 00:18:25,800 Like Peter Hyams did Outland with Sean Connery. 311 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,280 Oh, wow. 312 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:28,280 Okay. 313 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:29,280 Nice. 314 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:30,640 I'm pretty sure it's Peter Hyams. 315 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:38,240 But anyway, and this has Jamie King in it, who I know, who plays Rose on the show. 316 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,760 So she's somebody I recognize. 317 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:41,760 But yeah, I'm watching it. 318 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,560 It looks bananas, the little trailer that's running. 319 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,800 So I'm going to look away from that. 320 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,760 So one thing I saw recently was this Indian movie. 321 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,680 It's a zombie theme thing and it's very funny. 322 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,680 It's called Go Goa Dawn. 323 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,080 I think I watched it on Tubi or something. 324 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,920 But it's sort of a zombie comedy, but it really works. 325 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:08,080 So these two guys who are sort of, they've reminded me very much of like Harold and Kumar. 326 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,080 Okay. 327 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:13,240 If you imagine Harold and Kumar, they're just, you know, sort of dead end dudes. 328 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,060 They have a friend who really striving to climb the corporate ladder. 329 00:19:17,060 --> 00:19:21,260 And the two Harold and Kumar guys are like, we got to do something this weekend. 330 00:19:21,260 --> 00:19:22,820 One guy's broken up with his girlfriend. 331 00:19:22,820 --> 00:19:24,440 He's kind of feeling down. 332 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:30,040 So their friend who's the climber, he says, Hey, I've got, I'm going to Goa this weekend, 333 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,060 which is the resort area. 334 00:19:32,060 --> 00:19:33,060 And he goes, it's going to be great. 335 00:19:33,060 --> 00:19:34,440 I'm going there for this corporate thing. 336 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,960 And they go, Hey, well, we're coming along with you since you're driving. 337 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,240 And then we're going to go there and meet some chicks basically is what they did. 338 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,400 So they go there, they have no money. 339 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,520 But while they're there, they meet a really gorgeous girl who says, Hey, I'm going to 340 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:51,560 this Island across the Harbor where the Russian mob is having a big rave tonight. 341 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,040 Nothing can go wrong there. 342 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:57,640 Turns out the Russian mob has invented this drug that they're using this thing as a cover 343 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,480 for and they give it to the people. 344 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,800 The people then become ravenous zombies. 345 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,560 So now you've got all these goobers on this Island trying to get off the Island and it 346 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:06,800 is a hoot. 347 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:07,800 It's funny. 348 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:08,800 It's really good. 349 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:09,800 Sounds good. 350 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,600 So yeah, it's called Go Goa Gone. 351 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,080 And, um, very, very much worth your time. 352 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,080 All right. 353 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,280 Well, now to the last of us. 354 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:26,000 I have to say the pilot episode astounding, like one of the best zombie movies I've seen, 355 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,600 you know, one of the best depictions of the zombie apocalypse, because one of the frustrations 356 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:34,640 from The Walking Dead was that the first season, the show wasn't, you know, it wasn't a sensation. 357 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,680 It wasn't a hit necessarily. 358 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:37,920 They didn't have much money. 359 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:42,960 So, you know, our main character, as in the comic book, wakes up several weeks after the 360 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,740 zombie apocalypse. 361 00:20:44,740 --> 00:20:47,240 So it's pretty much a done deal. 362 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,360 And so we don't get to see it. 363 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:52,800 And then they started the spinoff show, you know, fear The Walking Dead in Los Angeles. 364 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,480 And it's like, okay, now, now we get to see it. 365 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:01,360 And nope, it's still, you know, the characters are basically in hiding and peeking through 366 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:05,600 the blinds and, you know, we're seeing just what they're seeing, which is not much. 367 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:11,580 So it's really satisfying to see the zombie apocalypse unfold like in all its glory, which 368 00:21:11,580 --> 00:21:18,040 I think, you know, if there's a runner up or another competing candidate for the best 369 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,800 depiction of the zombie apocalypse, I'm taking World War Z off the table. 370 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,760 It was just a little too pulled out. 371 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:27,760 The movie. 372 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:28,760 Okay. 373 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:29,760 Yeah. 374 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,880 I mean, the effects were amazing, but it wasn't. 375 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,000 I mean, zombies like flooding through cities like water. 376 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,080 It's like, nah, it's not the zombie apocalypse. 377 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,520 That's not the George Romero zombie apocalypse that I've, you know, I come to love. 378 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:49,960 So I think the best depiction that we've seen of the actual zombie apocalypse was in Zack 379 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,080 Snyder's remake of Dawn of the Dead. 380 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,080 Yes. 381 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,080 Yeah. 382 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:58,720 That's a, that's a genius update of a movie that shouldn't have worked, but it did perfectly. 383 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:05,120 And that's beautiful because it starts small and then you slowly, the view expands as 384 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:09,880 the main character is leaving her house and she sees her neighborhood going to pieces 385 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,160 and the camera just is following her and it just keeps getting further and further back 386 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,640 and you see more and more of the destruction and the chaos. 387 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,180 It's just brilliant. 388 00:22:18,180 --> 00:22:19,300 And this does that as well. 389 00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:23,920 We start with Joel, our main character and his daughter, and you see a lot of their life 390 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,640 and how they live and what they're doing. 391 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,800 You get to know the daughter of the neighbor, all this stuff. 392 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:32,700 It sort of sets up the table and then they just sort of collapsed that little bit. 393 00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:36,440 And then you see the rest collapsing, but they did the brilliant stuff where it was 394 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:41,600 showing different parts of the world and people investigating this stuff and talking about 395 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,480 these changes that were coming and how they'd seen these things. 396 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,480 And I don't know. 397 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,480 I just thought it was brilliantly told. 398 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,640 I loved, I think it was the pilot episode. 399 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:55,360 It starts like in the 1960s on a talk show and there's a scientist talking about how 400 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:59,680 this cordyceps fungus, you know, it takes over the brains of ants and things that could 401 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:06,480 do it to humans if there's any little, like if the climate started to warm and the fungus 402 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,680 had to, like right now it can't operate in humans because the heat of the human body 403 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,380 will kill it. 404 00:23:12,380 --> 00:23:16,320 But in a climate change scenario where the fungus is under constant pressure to adapt 405 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:23,200 to higher temperatures, it might mutate in such a way that it could take over humans. 406 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,200 And that's the premise. 407 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,280 But I love that they set it up decades in advance, you know, just on a talk show. 408 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,280 That was great. 409 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,960 And as I understand it, that was unique to the show. 410 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:32,960 That was not from the video game. 411 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:33,960 Oh, okay. 412 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:34,960 Yeah. 413 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:35,960 Having not played it, I'm not sure exactly how much. 414 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,440 I mean, I've only read some stuff where they talk about things that were, you know, directly 415 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,160 sort of copied some of the conversations and stuff. 416 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:49,360 But it's just such a brilliant switch on the zombie sort of trope that we're all used to. 417 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:56,240 So like the idea of this fungal sort of growth being the cause of it, it's just brilliant. 418 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:03,600 There have been many attempts to sort of scientificize or rationalize the, you know, how could the 419 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,480 dead returning to life and attacking the living, how could that be squared scientifically? 420 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:13,440 And you know, the thing I love about like the Romero films is that you can't. 421 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,800 It's patently impossible. 422 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,280 There's no need to explain it. 423 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:23,640 It's just we have taboos about cannibalism, we have taboos about touching dead bodies. 424 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:29,000 You know, we have sort of free-floating fear of the collapse of civilization where all 425 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,800 the people around us suddenly become competitors for precious resources. 426 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,000 And the zombie apocalypse just, it brings all of that together very nicely. 427 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,720 And I don't need any scientific justification for it. 428 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,880 You know, just give me the, give me the danger. 429 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:48,280 It's essentially an alien invasion except without laser guns, you know, and UFOs. 430 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:54,160 Our world is being invaded by a force, an unstoppable force, a huge force. 431 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:59,680 I mean, I think the perfect like version of all that stuff is probably like the invasion 432 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,120 of the body snatchers because you're getting a little bit of zombie, you're getting a little 433 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:06,000 bit of alien invasion and all of the paranoia. 434 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:12,760 I mean, to me, that's the original sort of like epically sized version of that thing. 435 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:17,600 Because obviously Night of the Living Dead, the original movie in the Romero series was 436 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:18,600 just so small. 437 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,040 It's just in that small, you know, area around Pittsburgh. 438 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,760 And then obviously he expanded in Dawn of the Dead. 439 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,720 But it was, it's really, I think in the, in the middle there, you've got invasion of the 440 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,040 body snatchers really showing you how to do that sort of mass hysteria thing really well. 441 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,040 Wow. 442 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,720 And it's been remade so many times now. 443 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,800 I mean, for me, the one with Kiefer Sutherland, or not Kiefer Sutherland, it's the Donald 444 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,560 Sutherland that is the classic and Leonard Nimoy is in that. 445 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,640 That's in Veronica Cartwright is great in it. 446 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,880 So yeah, so many good people. 447 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,640 And yeah, obviously that thing at the end with him screaming and pointing is just as 448 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,800 iconic as it could be. 449 00:25:54,800 --> 00:26:02,280 Yeah, that is as iconic, I think as Soylent Green as people, as a final image or you, 450 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,920 you know, you blew it up, you maniacs. 451 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:12,240 So I saw a video in which somebody was talking about apocalypse narratives in general. 452 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:20,760 And the, there's sort of a new version or a new prototype or archetype, which is the 453 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,120 green apocalypse. 454 00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:26,120 And they cited the last of us as a, you know, an example of the green apocalypse where you 455 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:32,080 get all of these, these shots of cities and decay and, you know, nature reclaiming human 456 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,960 made world, but it's beautiful and characters in the narrative stop and appreciate the beauty 457 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,400 of it. 458 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,800 And that's, that's fairly new. 459 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:45,400 I mean, the image of the devastated civilization is decades old, but usually it's played for 460 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:46,400 shock. 461 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,840 It's like, here's this familiar thing and here it is, you know, laid waste. 462 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:50,840 Isn't it horrible? 463 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:56,520 And now it's like, Hey, once the human stopped all their busy silliness, nature takes over 464 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,400 and it's peaceful and green and nice to listen to. 465 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,080 And, you know, except for the zombies and the people looking to kill you, it's not, 466 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,080 it's not bad. 467 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:10,480 There's like 12 monkeys did that where you saw a future where the cities had been sort 468 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,080 of retaken by nature. 469 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,600 The original plan of the apes. 470 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,760 No, not plan of the apes. 471 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,120 I'm thinking Logan's run in Logan's run, when they escaped from the dumb cities and get 472 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:25,640 out into like Washington, there's all these images of like the Washington sit, Washington, 473 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,280 DC sort of overgrown. 474 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,080 That gives you an idea that existed before. 475 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:35,040 But I mean, honestly, like the, my favorite stuff, my entire life, I actually just bought 476 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:42,840 the commandee last boy on earth collected works from Jack Kirby, because that was all 477 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:48,740 post apocalyptic stuff that I read at a young age and it totally influenced me. 478 00:27:48,740 --> 00:27:52,720 And it's full of those sort of images of like flooded cities and overgrown things. 479 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:58,720 And there's a, there's a great PlayStation and PC game called horizon forbidden, horizon 480 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,160 zero Dawn. 481 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:06,120 And it is set in a future where robotic dinosaurs are roaming the world and you are sort of 482 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:13,520 like a, like a tribal person, a female character who goes and hunts these dinosaurs and harvests 483 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,120 circuits and things off of them. 484 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:20,920 And it's sort of this cool combination of sci fi and fantasy and full on post apocalyptic. 485 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:21,920 It's really great. 486 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,840 I haven't played, but I've watched some lore videos. 487 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,200 I mean, that's a game where they've really worked out, you know, why, why are there robotic 488 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,640 zombie or robotic dinosaurs? 489 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,360 And they have a, you know, that pretty detailed reason and a pretty detailed cybernetic ecology 490 00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:39,360 worked out and they are doing a show based on it too. 491 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,360 It's kind of cool. 492 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,360 Yeah. 493 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,720 I think their show is based on everything to watch the halo show. 494 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,920 So Kay had Paramount Plus and I went over there and watched the first episode and was 495 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,280 like, this is pretty good. 496 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,800 I'm probably going to watch more of this. 497 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,320 And I finally got Paramount Plus and I said, Oh, I'm going to rewatch that first episode 498 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,240 of the halo show and I have not gone back after watching it again, because I did not 499 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,880 think it was very good when I watched it the second time. 500 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,840 Well, I watched the whole season and it's not very good. 501 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:06,840 Oh, okay. 502 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:07,840 Yeah. 503 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,920 It's not, I don't hate it because I never, I did play one halo game. 504 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,840 I played Reach and these characters are not in Reach. 505 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,520 Reach takes place later on. 506 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,920 You know, I wasn't attached to the characters. 507 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,680 I wasn't attached to the story, but I did know that master chief doesn't take off his 508 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,840 helmet and in this one he takes off his helmet in the first episode and rarely puts it back 509 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,680 on kind of like Stallone is just Judge Dredd. 510 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:28,680 Yeah. 511 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:29,680 Yeah. 512 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:30,680 I was shocked. 513 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,440 Now, speaking of something great, Judge Dredd, the Dredd movie, that. 514 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,440 Carl Rebitt. 515 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,440 Yes. 516 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,440 Absolutely. 517 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,440 Ready for more of that. 518 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,800 I know there's a mega city one series coming. 519 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:46,440 There's a mega city one, mega city one series that's been in development hell for years. 520 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,880 I don't know that it's any closer to actually shooting. 521 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,880 It's like, there's so many people who say, look at this movie. 522 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,480 This movie is great. 523 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,480 We need a sequel. 524 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,360 It has this very dedicated cult following and then somebody else says, yeah, but look 525 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,400 at the box office numbers for the original. 526 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,400 Right. 527 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,400 It just didn't do very well. 528 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,400 I didn't see it in the theater. 529 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,400 You didn't see it in the theater. 530 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,400 No, I wish I had. 531 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,400 The marketing just sucked. 532 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,400 Yeah. 533 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:09,400 I wish everybody had. 534 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:10,400 Yeah. 535 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,400 It holds up so much. 536 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,080 I bet I've seen that movie 10 times. 537 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,080 Yeah. 538 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,080 Yeah, me too. 539 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:20,080 It's one of those that it doesn't ask anything of you really. 540 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,280 Everything that needs doing, it provides. 541 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,600 You don't have to cut it slack in any dimension. 542 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,720 It is a just a straight ahead story. 543 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,380 It's the raid is what it is. 544 00:30:28,380 --> 00:30:30,720 It's just, there's a building we got to get to the top floor. 545 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:31,720 Let's go. 546 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,720 Yeah. 547 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,280 There's two of us and unlimited number of bad guys go. 548 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:37,280 Yeah. 549 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,280 Oh, it's so good. 550 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,280 So good. 551 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,280 I love it. 552 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,280 So, yeah. 553 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:46,680 So I was like you, I watched that first episode and was blown away. 554 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,960 And then the show just kept impressing me. 555 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,200 It never really took his foot off the gas. 556 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,120 I didn't think there was a slow episode. 557 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,960 There were some things throughout that sort of that I'd never seen before. 558 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:04,200 And there were there was one episode in particular that we can talk about or not. 559 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:09,800 That was one of the hardest, most brutal things I might have ever seen on a show that wasn't 560 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,240 exploitational like in The Walking Dead. 561 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,240 Is it the third episode? 562 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:22,160 No, it was later when, when Ellie is held by that, that governor. 563 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,200 That or the mayor of that little town, the religious guy. 564 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,200 Okay. 565 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,120 I was in a knot through that entire thing. 566 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,120 Oh yeah. 567 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,040 It was heavy, heavy, heavy. 568 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,040 So I don't know. 569 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,800 It's real beautiful stuff. 570 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:40,840 And I have to say, it is great to have a show where Pedro Pascal can deliver well written 571 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:48,960 lines and be encouraged by the director to act well, because I am of the opinion that 572 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:55,240 what he was asked to say in The Mandalorian was a big pile of crap. 573 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,560 Not a big fan of that show. 574 00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,680 Did you watch season three? 575 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:00,680 I did. 576 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,000 And what'd you think? 577 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,160 I would say I didn't so much watch it as I got through it. 578 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,160 I see. 579 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,000 There were, there were moments that I really liked. 580 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,680 I've described it constantly as a mixed bag. 581 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,240 I think there are definitely things in it that are worth seeing, but I think it overall 582 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,640 is just, I think they've lost their way. 583 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,520 The whole thing is this is the way. 584 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,600 And I don't believe anybody who's producing that show understands what the way is anymore. 585 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:33,520 Well, I'm sure Dave Filoni does, but yeah, The Mandalorian definitely started out as 586 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,800 a Western and it was definitely small scale. 587 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:43,920 It's this one guy and he's messing with these Imperial remnants who seem scattered and small. 588 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,720 And it's just, it's a very small stakes story, which is easily relatable. 589 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,920 And in the second and third seasons, they started to bring in these much larger story 590 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:59,680 arcs from the animated shows, from Star Wars, The Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels. 591 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:05,320 And so we, now that's all just a buildup to the return of Grand Admiral Thrawn. 592 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,320 Which I'm excited about. 593 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,800 I'm not going to lie. 594 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,240 Yeah, but that's going to be great for the Ahsoka series because the Ahsoka series is 595 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:17,440 definitely going to be a continuation of where we left off in Star Wars Rebels. 596 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,200 And Thrawn was a big character in that show. 597 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:25,200 And the final episode of that show, the main character Ezra Bridger, who's this young, 598 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,760 would be Jedi Padawan, strong with the Force, but there is no Jedi tradition anymore. 599 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,240 His teacher is a guy who never got past the Padawan stage. 600 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:42,880 And he, Ezra and Grand Admiral Thrawn, end up basically jumping away at super light speed 601 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,920 via the help of these creatures, which we've kind of seen in The Mandalorian, just like 602 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,840 when they're in hyperspace. 603 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,120 We see these big tentacled whale type things sort of surfing along. 604 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,400 Yeah, those things. 605 00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,100 Pull the Star Destroyer with Thrawn and Ezra Bridger off into this unknown sort of freaky 606 00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:04,440 part of the galaxy, which I think is where most of Ahsoka is going to take place, at 607 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,400 least the first season. 608 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,720 So anyway, there's these big, big story arcs that didn't start in The Mandalorian, but 609 00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:16,920 had sort of entered into The Mandalorian in order to set up these other shows. 610 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:22,240 And yeah, it totally comes at the cost of the dynamic that you had in the first season 611 00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:24,440 of just this one guy with his small world. 612 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,120 He doesn't understand the larger universe and what was going on. 613 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,360 And he took a job that ended, it's kind of like, it's very much, I mean, the similarities 614 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,480 with The Last of Us are many. 615 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,480 But yeah, he takes a job which puts him in contact with this kid who at first is just 616 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,120 cargo and then he grows attached. 617 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:48,360 And then he's renouncing his former self and his former lifestyle in order to invest everything 618 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,580 in protecting this kid. 619 00:34:50,580 --> 00:34:52,280 Which takes us back to The Last of Us. 620 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:59,400 I mean, we're not required to spend the most of our time on that show, but it's the excuse 621 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,800 that I used to lure you in. 622 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:03,800 I agree. 623 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,580 I would like to get back to Star Wars later. 624 00:35:05,580 --> 00:35:08,440 But yeah, there's a couple of things I'd love to hear your opinion on. 625 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,800 But we can even do that after we stop recording if we want. 626 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,760 Oh, well, if it's media related, do it right here. 627 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,760 I loved Andor. 628 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:15,760 Oh my gosh. 629 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:16,760 Andor was perfect. 630 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:17,760 Yeah. 631 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,360 Andor was a grown up, perfect show that really dealt with things well. 632 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:29,920 And I was happy to see the ruler, what's her name? 633 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:30,920 Mon Mothma? 634 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:31,920 Mon Mothma. 635 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,380 I was happy to see her in the Ahsoka trailer. 636 00:35:33,380 --> 00:35:35,440 So I'm happy she's coming back. 637 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,720 Because I love that actor and I love that character. 638 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:39,600 I think that's great. 639 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,640 I enjoyed the first half of Boba Fett. 640 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:43,680 Thought it was really interesting. 641 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,620 I loved all the stuff with him, with the Sand People and like learning about their sort 642 00:35:47,620 --> 00:35:48,620 of culture. 643 00:35:48,620 --> 00:35:50,060 I thought that was really great. 644 00:35:50,060 --> 00:35:53,320 And then I just thought it was terrible for the second half. 645 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:58,000 And I didn't think there was maybe five minutes that I enjoyed out of Obi-Wan. 646 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,400 But I thought it was absolutely terrible and dumb. 647 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,760 Obi-Wan was absolutely terrible and dumb, as you say. 648 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,040 And the best parts of it were just stolen from other like they were stolen from Star 649 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,520 Wars Rebels, you know, animated series. 650 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,940 Like there's a fight between Ahsoka Tano and Darth Vader where she hits him in the head 651 00:36:15,940 --> 00:36:20,720 and cuts off half his mask and you can see Anakin's face on one side and Darth Vader's 652 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:21,720 face. 653 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:26,480 It's they just lifted that entirely from Star Wars Rebels. 654 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:33,760 Yeah, the part where Vader destroys that starship just pulls it apart on the launch pad. 655 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,620 I was like, this is so awesome. 656 00:36:35,620 --> 00:36:38,760 Like this dude is so powerful and I love seeing this. 657 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:44,120 And then when he's chasing down Obi-Wan on Tatooine, I think he's like they start a 658 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:49,200 little fire and he goes, well, well, I'll catch you later Obi-Wan and he just leaves. 659 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,160 And I was like, dude, just jump over it or put it out with your force powers or something. 660 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,160 Like you just did. 661 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,160 Like come on. 662 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,160 I don't know. 663 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,160 I gave up on that one. 664 00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,160 Well, it's terrible. 665 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,040 That was a terrible show. 666 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,760 But yeah. 667 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:04,760 So that's all my Star Wars. 668 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,560 I could sit here and gush about Andor for the rest of our time together. 669 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,560 I won't. 670 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:10,560 So good. 671 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:11,860 I just think it was perfect. 672 00:37:11,860 --> 00:37:13,360 But you know, that's Dan Gilroy. 673 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,360 That's the guy that did like... 674 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:16,360 Tony Gilroy. 675 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:17,760 Tony Gilroy who did like... 676 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,640 I mean, he's written so many things. 677 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:21,640 He and his brother. 678 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:22,640 I mean, they... 679 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,040 I think probably best known for The Bourne Identity and other movies in that series, 680 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:34,840 but also Bo Willimon, who was the major author of House of Cards. 681 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,880 The first couple of seasons of which was amazing. 682 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:43,280 He wrote several episodes in the first season of Andor, particularly in the prison season. 683 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,560 Which was so good. 684 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,580 That should not have worked for them to be in prison for so long, but it was great. 685 00:37:49,580 --> 00:37:51,920 And Andy Serkis was amazing. 686 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,520 Just the setup of that thing was great. 687 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:58,120 And then when you find out what they're building at the end was so great. 688 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:03,440 That's the kind of fan service that's cool instead of having some robot make some funny 689 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:04,440 line. 690 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,000 It's like, this is adult filmmaking. 691 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,440 This is adult content creation. 692 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,080 And I just keep telling myself, when you watch Mandalorian season four, understand this is 693 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,920 a kid's movie, this kid's show. 694 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,240 Just enjoy it at that level. 695 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:19,360 Because that's, I think, what they're shooting for. 696 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,440 I'm not even sure there's going to be a Mandalorian season four. 697 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,520 Pedro Pascal is... 698 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,840 He's pretty ambivalent about it. 699 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:33,840 And they've got so many other shows in the works to keep their talent occupied. 700 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,040 And it really seemed to wrap up pretty well. 701 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,680 I mean, they set up his future activity, which will be being a bounty hunter for the New 702 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,680 Republic, basically. 703 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,320 But that can happen from time to time as a cameo in other shows. 704 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,320 That's a good point. 705 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,320 And it wouldn't even have to be Pedro Pascal. 706 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,480 It could just be somebody doing an impersonation of him since he's always... 707 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,080 He could phone in the voice performance. 708 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,080 I mean, literally phone in. 709 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,080 Literally, yeah. 710 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,540 It was cool to see Katie Sackhoff show up. 711 00:39:02,540 --> 00:39:06,600 And I thought she was mostly very good as Bo Katan. 712 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,320 And she's been playing that character for years. 713 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:10,320 Oh, really? 714 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,320 Yeah. 715 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,840 She was the voice of Bo Katan in both Star Wars Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels. 716 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:16,840 Yeah. 717 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,240 She's a longstanding character in the Dave Filoni Star Wars universe. 718 00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:21,240 It was very funny. 719 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:27,160 I was watching The Mandalorian and they were talking about the dark times on Mandalore. 720 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,480 And I was like, what happened to Mandalore? 721 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,640 So I Googled it and read a bunch of the history of what happened there and about the purging 722 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,880 and all that. 723 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,640 And it got into all the specifics and it was really cool. 724 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:44,480 I was like, oh, this show is actually following along with all this history that's been created. 725 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,520 And that actually impressed me very much. 726 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:54,880 So when Disney bought Star Wars from George Lucas, they decanonized all the extended universe, 727 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,400 all the novels, comic books, video games, all that became legends, which is to say just 728 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,360 other Star Wars stuff that isn't really part of the main continuity. 729 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:09,080 And so with the animated series that Dave Filoni was the executive producer of, he was 730 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:14,360 picking from all of the best of the extended universe and recanonizing it, bringing it 731 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,200 back and most notably, Admiral Thrawn. 732 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,200 Yeah. 733 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,840 Because Timothy Zahn created him for the book series. 734 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:27,240 Yes, for some novels, Heir to the Empire, which I haven't read, but I understand references 735 00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:28,240 to it. 736 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:29,240 Yeah. 737 00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:34,200 I read Splinter of a Mind's Eye when it came out when I was a kid because I just had to 738 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,760 have more Star Wars. 739 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:40,480 But other than that, the only other extended sort of universe stuff I've read are the Thrawn 740 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,480 novels and their graphic. 741 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:50,760 I've read a few comics that take place after Return of the Jedi, which all of that is forever 742 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,680 gone because unless they decide to just go ahead and say, you know what, the sequel trilogy, 743 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,200 it doesn't count. 744 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,200 That was practice. 745 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,760 I have actually heard that that was a push that somebody came up with. 746 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:03,760 Yeah. 747 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:04,760 Yeah. 748 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:12,000 But the Dave Filoni shows, including The Mandalorian, they're all setting up the First Order and 749 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,000 Return of the Emperor. 750 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,480 I mean, they're still supporting it. 751 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,480 The power struggle at Disney is ongoing. 752 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:18,480 We shouldn't talk about it. 753 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,120 I don't want to get sidetracked on that. 754 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,440 So let's do talk about like, I mean, how old spoilery do we want to get with The Last of 755 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:26,440 Us? 756 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,440 You know what? 757 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,960 If you haven't seen it, why are you watching or listening to a podcast about it? 758 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:32,960 Everything's on the table. 759 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:38,220 So I watched every episode without reading anything about what the episode would be. 760 00:41:38,220 --> 00:41:41,960 So every episode just sort of hit me clean. 761 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:50,040 The episode with the two gay guys, that was just one of the most incredible episodes of 762 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,920 television I've ever seen. 763 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:59,520 And the way they handled that relationship, the way they handled that version of stuff 764 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,520 going south. 765 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:01,520 Oh, that's fine. 766 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:02,520 Okay. 767 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:08,240 But like all that stuff with him going to the hardware store and getting all the supplies 768 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:12,560 and building all of the stuff, already being a prepper and stuff, but like really getting 769 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,000 serious about it and just being chill. 770 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,820 That was awesome. 771 00:42:16,820 --> 00:42:21,400 And then all the reveals of the character and who they are and what they are. 772 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,560 I just thought it was like a landmark episode. 773 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:26,600 Yeah. 774 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:32,080 My only criticism of it is that it was the third episode and I thought it was too early 775 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,920 to take an episode length break from the main characters. 776 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,480 We hadn't really established the whole Joel and Ellie dynamic yet. 777 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,960 But yeah, it's a standalone episode. 778 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,840 As I think you described it as such, you can watch that without having watched the first 779 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,560 two episodes and with no intention of watching anything after it. 780 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,280 And it is a complete story. 781 00:42:54,280 --> 00:43:00,320 Don't they at the end though, Ellie and Joel get there and that's when Ellie gets her pistol? 782 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:01,320 It's not at the end. 783 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,320 It's the beginning of the fourth episode. 784 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,320 I think they show up there. 785 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,000 I thought it was in that same episode. 786 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,000 Okay. 787 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,000 Yeah. 788 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,620 They find the characters dead and yeah, there's the note. 789 00:43:11,620 --> 00:43:12,680 And who was the prepper? 790 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:13,680 Was that Frank? 791 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,680 That was Frank. 792 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,160 Who is the other guy? 793 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:22,720 I know the actor is the guy that played the head guy at the hotel in the first season 794 00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:25,040 of White Lotus, but I don't know the character's name. 795 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,120 Oh, that's right. 796 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:33,440 I have not watched the second season of White Lotus, but I did really enjoy that first season. 797 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:34,880 Yeah. 798 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,120 So gosh. 799 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,240 We got to have their names though. 800 00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:44,240 Let's take a quick break and I will look that up. 801 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:46,240 Let's see. 802 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,680 Frank and Bill. 803 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,920 Oh, yep. 804 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,040 There it is. 805 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,520 Frank and Bill, the last of us. 806 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,480 My brain was like, get there quick. 807 00:43:58,480 --> 00:43:59,480 Yeah. 808 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,120 So yeah, we have these two characters. 809 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,560 Before we get to that third episode though, I want to say I was really, really happy to 810 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,920 see Anna Torv playing Joel's partner and girlfriend in the first two episodes. 811 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,040 She was Olivia, Olivia Dunham on Fringe. 812 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,360 And I really enjoyed Fringe. 813 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,880 I never saw the final season, but I'm kind of okay. 814 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:23,960 I was like, I've never seen the final season of Lost and I don't need to. 815 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:29,920 I'm happy to watch seven seasons of an eight season show and then not see the end because 816 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,920 the end never really lives up. 817 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,640 Although, better call Saul season six just dropped to Netflix and I'm going to watch 818 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:37,640 all of it. 819 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,120 Still never done that one. 820 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,120 Oh, really? 821 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,120 Yeah. 822 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:43,120 Oh, goodness. 823 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:48,880 Yeah, Breaking Bad is sort of like the TV show version of the last of us video game. 824 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,960 I've started it many times and I've never finished it. 825 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:58,120 Ah, I'll say that you can totally watch Better Call Saul without having seen Breaking Bad. 826 00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,720 Yeah, that's what I hear. 827 00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:02,000 But it's chock full of Easter eggs. 828 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:08,400 And I was just in Albuquerque, New Mexico and my friend drove me by the house where, 829 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:14,680 well, if you're not watching the show, you won't know, but Saul Goodman, the main character, 830 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:15,680 his name is real name. 831 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:20,960 I mean, the character's real name is Jimmy McGill and his brother, who is a famous respectable 832 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:21,960 lawyer. 833 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,600 A lot of the show takes place at the brother's house and we drove by the brother's house. 834 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:27,600 Oh, that's very cool. 835 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,600 It's just right there. 836 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:29,600 Yeah. 837 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,080 And lots of little locations that will be familiar to anybody who's watched the show 838 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:39,400 but just this little hole in the wall burger joint with some tables outside. 839 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:45,520 It looks really, really seedy, really run down and having been on TV hasn't changed 840 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:46,520 it. 841 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:47,520 It still looks that way. 842 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:48,520 That is why. 843 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:49,520 That's what people are coming there for. 844 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:50,520 They want that. 845 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:51,520 Yeah. 846 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:52,520 All right. 847 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:53,520 The last of us. 848 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:54,520 We are going to talk about it. 849 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,080 How did we get on to that? 850 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:04,000 Oh, we were talking about Bill being played by the guy from White Lotus, I think. 851 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,000 Yes. 852 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,000 Yes. 853 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,000 Sorry. 854 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,000 Okay. 855 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,640 I could say a lot about White Lotus but there's nothing fantastical about it. 856 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:12,640 There's no zombies. 857 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:13,640 There's no aliens. 858 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:14,640 There's no AI. 859 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,160 I mean, it's just bad people. 860 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,960 Speaking of AI, have you seen the trailers for Mrs. Davis? 861 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:22,960 I have not. 862 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,120 Are you aware of it? 863 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,120 I'm not. 864 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,120 Okay. 865 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:31,760 It's on Peacock and it stars an actor named Betty Gilpin, who was in the show Glow. 866 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:32,960 Okay. 867 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,080 She was Liberty Bell on that. 868 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:44,720 In this show, she is a nun and she lives in a near future world where an AI has taken 869 00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:52,840 away everybody's worry, concerns, needs, fears, and hassles. 870 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,720 She's not a big fan of this AI. 871 00:46:55,720 --> 00:47:02,120 Everybody calls the AI Mrs. Davis and it wants to speak to her but she does not want to speak 872 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,120 to it. 873 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:09,720 She finally, and it's in the trailer, but what they finally do is they kind of force 874 00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:17,600 her to speak to Mrs. Davis through an intermediary and she is tasked by the AI with finding the 875 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,360 Holy Grail. 876 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:22,360 It is wacky. 877 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,960 It is violent. 878 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,960 It is full of swears. 879 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,840 Damon Lindelof is one of the co-creators and it's very much got his sort of dance all over 880 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:33,840 it. 881 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:34,840 That's not a class of my book. 882 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,800 Well, I mean, I loved Westworld and I liked his HBO version of Watchmen I thought was 883 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:39,800 brilliant. 884 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,680 I did not watch it because Damon Lindelof was associated with it. 885 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:44,920 It's so good. 886 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:45,920 It's so good. 887 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,560 But anyway, we've watched the first episode and it's very good. 888 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:55,200 So that's an AI focused, sci-fi, weird comedy. 889 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,720 Is it dropping weekly? 890 00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:57,720 I don't know. 891 00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:02,440 I think there were three out maybe initially and it might all be out. 892 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,520 We sort of committed to watching it once a week. 893 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,480 So I haven't really looked. 894 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,920 I like what they did with Andor where they said, okay, here's three episodes because 895 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,360 we know the first one's a little slow. 896 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,000 So here's three and then we're going to dole them out one a week. 897 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,880 I think that's a good formula. 898 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,880 It was so good. 899 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:27,640 So satisfying and just so different from everything else and really anything else on TV. 900 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,480 Maybe not just the Star Wars content, but really anything else. 901 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,520 Just brilliant intrigue and it was all political and stuff. 902 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,360 It was just great. 903 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:44,340 It was very adult, not in the sexually explicit sense, but in the, this is not for kids. 904 00:48:44,340 --> 00:48:46,160 Kids are going to get bored with this. 905 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,360 This is for adults. 906 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,240 This is for people who understand the bigger picture. 907 00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:58,320 That thing where his mom on that planet was like, they had that hologram of her up over 908 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,720 the crowd, like getting everybody riled up to go fight against the empire. 909 00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:04,840 It was phenomenal. 910 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:05,840 Yeah. 911 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,640 So many, so many speeches in that. 912 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,760 But so many great speeches. 913 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,580 It sort of reminded me of like, you know, the kind of old timey stuff where like you've 914 00:49:14,580 --> 00:49:19,600 got like people writing things that are better than any human would ever actually say probably. 915 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:20,600 Right. 916 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:21,600 Yeah. 917 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,440 But that's why I'm there to hear the better version. 918 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:29,000 It's like watching Star Trek, the next generation and John Luke Picard's moral speeches. 919 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,880 Speaking of Star Trek, have you watched Lower Decks? 920 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:33,400 I love Lower Decks. 921 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,040 I didn't think I would. 922 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,120 And it took me a few episodes to warm up to it, but I really like it. 923 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,120 It's awesome. 924 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:40,120 Yeah. 925 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,600 I've, for those who haven't seen it, I'll say, you know, it's, it's Star Trek. 926 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:51,000 It's set, you know, basically in the next generation period or shortly thereafter. 927 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:56,080 It's Mike McMahon is the showrunner and he was a writer for Rick and Morty. 928 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,560 And it's kind of got a Rick and Morty sensibility. 929 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,680 And the first few episodes I thought were a little too much. 930 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,480 Hey, let's cross Rick and Morty with Star Trek. 931 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:10,120 But after like the second half of the first season and all of the second season, it just 932 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,120 gels. 933 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:12,120 It is its own thing. 934 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,120 It doesn't need to be compared to anything else. 935 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,760 And yeah, I really like it. 936 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,600 It does so many great references to even the original series and all the other sort of 937 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:24,000 spinoffs characters from all the various shows show up. 938 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,320 But like when they go into a bar and they find Kirk and Spock's initials scratched into 939 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,320 the bar, it's just like, that's, that's cool fan service stuff. 940 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,680 I liked that a lot. 941 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:40,600 I was very smart, a lot of weird characters and some really great story arcs. 942 00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:41,600 Just really good stuff. 943 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:46,680 The guy with the visor who's sort of a cyborg is back. 944 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:51,960 Yeah, as you learn more about him, that's some fascinating stuff. 945 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,120 I just thought it was great. 946 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,200 I'm a big fan of the animation style too. 947 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,200 Yeah. 948 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:03,680 I mean, not, it's, it's probably, you know, 3D CGI, like everything else with an overlay 949 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:08,640 to make it look 2D, but it looks like 2D, you know, cell animation. 950 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,920 And I, I just, you know, I eat it up. 951 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:12,920 I can't wait. 952 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:20,480 I will resubscribe to Paramount Plus for Strange New Worlds. 953 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,480 Whenever it comes, I think that comes out in June. 954 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,480 So I'll only take a couple months off. 955 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:29,000 I guess just, I'll just take May off. 956 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,320 I am that guy though. 957 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,400 As soon as the show I'm watching is complete, I unsubscribe from the service. 958 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:35,400 Wow. 959 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,160 I always subscribe for a year. 960 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,640 So when they offer up these really cheap deals, so like I got Paramount Plus for a year for 961 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:42,640 like 50 bucks. 962 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,640 So I was like, yeah, I'll do that. 963 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,320 Then I don't have to worry about it. 964 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:52,760 I just dumped HBO because The Last of Us had ended. 965 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,720 Did you see Season, or Station 11? 966 00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:59,580 Kay watched a little bit of it and told me about it, but I never watched any of it. 967 00:51:59,580 --> 00:52:00,580 It's very good. 968 00:52:00,580 --> 00:52:01,580 Okay. 969 00:52:01,580 --> 00:52:02,580 It's my brother. 970 00:52:02,580 --> 00:52:06,760 He has come to collect implements of destruction to go work in a neighbor's yard. 971 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:07,760 Yeah. 972 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:13,560 How long do you think you're going to be out there? 973 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:14,560 I don't know. 974 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,520 I mean, until the day that I decided, you know what? 975 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:19,520 I want this dog. 976 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:24,920 I was thinking this is a temporary way station, but the dog makes it semi-permanent. 977 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:25,920 Yeah. 978 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:26,920 Yeah. 979 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:27,920 So we'll see. 980 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,360 It could be, there are worse things. 981 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:36,440 Well, the gig in California was nice and I was going to go back and do it again next 982 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,880 year, but again, the dog complicates things. 983 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,320 The damn dog. 984 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,040 And she's a big dog. 985 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:50,640 Right now she's a medium sized dog, but she's only a puppy. 986 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,160 What are you driving these days? 987 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:59,280 All right. 988 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:00,760 That was my friend Marty. 989 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,480 And while it may have sounded like we had drifted away from the topic of media and we're 990 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,160 talking about just personal stuff, like, you know, what are you driving these days? 991 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:09,360 It's not the case. 992 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,360 There's still, we're really right at about the halfway point of this conversation. 993 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:19,840 The rest of it will be on Sea Realm Vault Podcast episode number 455, which I intend 994 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,360 to publish tomorrow. 995 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,480 If you don't know what I'm talking about, the Sea Realm Vault Podcast is a paywalled 996 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,200 podcast that I do. 997 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,680 And the only way for new subscribers to come on is through Patreon. 998 00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:35,440 My Patreon account is patreon.com slash KMO. 999 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,480 And I post lots of stuff to Patreon. 1000 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,040 Most of it is not paywalled. 1001 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:41,400 You don't have to be a supporter. 1002 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:46,600 You know, you don't have to be a patron to find material that I'm posting on Patreon. 1003 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,280 So do check it out. 1004 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:52,560 And if you wanted to join at the $1 a month level, I wouldn't complain. 1005 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,700 I mean, I wouldn't complain if you were to join at the $7 a month level, which gets you 1006 00:53:56,700 --> 00:54:01,960 access to the Sea Realm Vault Podcast, but every little bit helps, as they say. 1007 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:07,560 And I'm not going to go on at great length here at the end of the podcast. 1008 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:15,720 I am just going to mention the curious phenomenon of the sorts of TV shows that I watch. 1009 00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:21,560 For every show that I watch, every episode that I watch, there are multiple YouTubers 1010 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:26,760 who are doing very, very in-depth analysis and recaps of the show. 1011 00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,520 So I'll watch an episode of, say, The Mandalorian. 1012 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:35,040 And then I'll go to YouTube and I'll watch a couple different videos from different YouTubers 1013 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:40,880 who are also following that show, talking to other people about it, reading about it. 1014 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,880 And sometimes I'll watch a show late at night. 1015 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,180 Maybe I've done something to impair my memory. 1016 00:54:47,180 --> 00:54:51,460 And when I go back and I watch the recap and analysis videos, I'm basically cementing in 1017 00:54:51,460 --> 00:54:54,960 my head what I had seen before. 1018 00:54:54,960 --> 00:55:01,520 Now this lends itself to different types of storytelling which weren't really prominent 1019 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,880 back in the 20th century when I started watching TV and movies and stuff. 1020 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:11,300 If you're watching recap videos and if you know that there are online resources so that 1021 00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:15,680 you can refresh your memory, you can have very large casts. 1022 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,920 You can have very complex story narratives. 1023 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,840 You can have branching stories. 1024 00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:27,680 And you can have, and this happens in science fiction a lot, multiple instantiations of 1025 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:28,840 a single character. 1026 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:34,840 I think the ultimate example of this is probably Battlestar Galactica, actually, because there 1027 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,680 were multiple copies of every Cylon character. 1028 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:43,320 But when I think about it, when I think about this phenomenon of multiple instantiations 1029 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,480 of the same character, I go back to Farscape. 1030 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,000 Farscape if you've never seen it. 1031 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:54,320 If you like Guardians of the Galaxy, Guardians of the Galaxy really, really ripped off Farscape. 1032 00:55:54,320 --> 00:56:02,600 The tone, the setting, the composition of the cast, it's all just warmed over Farscape. 1033 00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:07,680 Farscape was this sci-fi show from right around the turn of the century filmed entirely in 1034 00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:08,680 Australia. 1035 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:14,600 So while the main character is an American astronaut played by Ben Browder, all of the 1036 00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,920 supporting cast are Australian and all of the aliens that they encounter in their weekly 1037 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,260 adventures all have Australian accents. 1038 00:56:21,260 --> 00:56:23,600 So it's charming in that regard. 1039 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,040 It's also a Jim Henson production company show. 1040 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:34,160 So they bring all of the puppeteering, puppet building, and puppet operating talents to 1041 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:39,040 this show to bring to life various characters who today would just be CGI characters. 1042 00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,360 But back then they were puppets. 1043 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:46,000 And because they were puppets, or puppet is probably a bad term, it brings to mind a very 1044 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:51,680 specific image of like Kermit the Frog or something, but these were very complex characters. 1045 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:59,120 Full size, fully realized, not 3D in the sense of appearing 3D, but really being three dimensional 1046 00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,540 objects. 1047 00:57:00,540 --> 00:57:05,880 And the difference between a character that's really there, a non-human character that's 1048 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:12,560 really there with the actor in frame, on camera, on set, such that the characters can touch 1049 00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:16,160 this thing, they can interact with it, they can see it. 1050 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:17,880 First of all, they're not just imagining what's there. 1051 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,700 They're not looking at a tennis ball on a stick. 1052 00:57:19,700 --> 00:57:22,600 They're looking at the actual entity. 1053 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,600 It really made for a special sort of TV. 1054 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,640 I just can't recommend Farscape highly enough. 1055 00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:34,880 But I bring all this up because in Farscape you had duplicates of different characters 1056 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:40,360 and then you had mental clones of some characters in the heads of other characters and some 1057 00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,320 of those characters themselves would be duplicated and so the mental clone would be duplicated 1058 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:49,760 and you had just many instantiations of different characters to keep track of. 1059 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:55,200 And that was really before the internet was the, before it played the role that it does 1060 00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:01,980 now in helping people keep track of complicated stories and also helping people basically 1061 00:58:01,980 --> 00:58:06,840 pull all the relevant details out of a given story because I don't know how many different 1062 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:12,640 narratives I'm following, how many very complex narratives with large casts. 1063 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:18,480 If it weren't for YouTube and if it weren't for like wikis and blogs and things, I couldn't 1064 00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,720 possibly keep up with all the stories that I do. 1065 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:29,480 So maybe that's a bad use of my brain being so occupied with pop culture entertainment. 1066 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:34,000 If that's your position, well, you know, if you were here face to face, I would probably 1067 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:41,760 smile and change the subject, but I'm really not very positively disposed to the highbrow 1068 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:48,600 pretensions and despising people for appreciating forms of entertainment which are popular and 1069 00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,100 which have wide appeal. 1070 00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:53,840 I'm all about the wide appeal, even though the media that I make is very fringe, very 1071 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:59,440 niche, very specific and also very esoteric, which is why for me it's nice to take a break 1072 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:04,400 from the serious stuff from time to time and just have a fun chat with my old friend talking 1073 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:08,560 about movies and TV shows that we've seen recently and really enjoyed. 1074 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:09,560 All right. 1075 00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,880 I think that's probably a good place to lay down a call to action. 1076 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:14,160 What are you watching? 1077 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:15,160 Let me know. 1078 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:16,920 All right. 1079 00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,180 So leave a comment. 1080 00:59:19,180 --> 00:59:21,560 Let me know what you're watching. 1081 00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,640 Most of the comments, most of the feedback I get are from the YouTube versions of these 1082 00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:29,760 podcasts if that's where you want to post, that's cool, I'll see it. 1083 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:30,760 All right. 1084 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:31,760 Well, that's all for this episode. 1085 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,040 Thank you very much for listening. 1086 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:37,140 There is more of it for those who are subscribed to the Sebrom Vaults podcast and for those 1087 00:59:37,140 --> 00:59:40,320 of you who aren't, well, come back here one week from today. 1088 00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,480 I'll have another free episode for you. 1089 00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:43,480 All right. 1090 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:44,480 I'm out. 1091 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:56,120 Stay well.