1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,240 Hello and welcome to season one of the Why Work podcast series. 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:13,200 Join Sarah Pazell, Alan Girle and Trajce Cvetkovski on a journey to explore the unusual, 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,240 but possible human experiences at work. 4 00:00:16,240 --> 00:00:18,640 We examine the boundaries of work. 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:25,200 We look at the case law around just how far these boundaries have been pushed and will continue to be pushed. 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,920 We shake things up to encourage better design of work. 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,760 These are sometimes laughable and sometimes confronting situations, 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,960 but all nonetheless have serious implications. 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,920 All these scenarios, these vignettes, fact will always be stranger than fiction. 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,840 We don't need to make this stuff up. 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,520 It is real. 12 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,880 It's real because we are human and to be vulnerable. 13 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,480 And these cases demonstrate this is ordinary people doing, 14 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:52,640 punching in and punching out, going to work. 15 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:57,120 Nothing in fact that we've talked about over these series is so extraordinary. 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,440 So out of the box, no one's floating to space. 17 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,720 We're doing the people drinking champagne in spas, 18 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,920 going to work and bees flying around and getting stuck. 19 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:10,320 In season one of episode one, we kick off with bubbles of trouble. 20 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:11,040 Go on. 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:17,600 I'm sure you've all got stories about Christmas parties and work functions generally go awry. 22 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,040 I'm sure you've seen it all and now you hope to unsee what you've seen, 23 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:25,440 but in any event, we explore in episode one, bubbles of trouble, 24 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,040 blurred lines, drinking, nudity, gurgles, 25 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,720 and the assumptions that everyone in the team wants to party in the same way. 26 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,600 Listen to what happens when your work party devolves. 27 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,880 You just want what might be done to protect against such circumstances. 28 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:43,440 On that note, I want to talk about an interesting case involving doggies. 29 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,800 Dogs pet purchases have been on the rise throughout the pandemic. 30 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,760 Everybody's been buying pet air fryer and pets. 31 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,040 Yeah, look, I can say that indeed. 32 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,040 In episode two, we look at avatars, bees and sex. 33 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,240 Yes, episode two stirs up a hornet's nest 34 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:06,160 and discusses the busy, busy, busy, busy-ness of work, travel, sex, and bee stings. 35 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,760 And the avatars that we choose to represent ourselves in our workplace 36 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,840 is also thrown into the mix. 37 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,640 Injuries can occur in the most unusual ways. 38 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:18,320 Listen to this episode to learn about compensation pathways 39 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,880 when things go awry during work travel. 40 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,280 All when work from anywhere is the norm. 41 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,720 Episode three looks at pets and air fryers. 42 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,640 Yes, that's right, pets and air fryers. 43 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:31,440 Episode three examines the work from home phenomenon 44 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:36,640 and the ambiguity around what is permissible for home luxuries 45 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:37,920 and work requirements. 46 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:39,040 There are fleas all over it. 47 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:44,720 Indeed, we did buy an air fryer as a fancy, a twin turbo stop. 48 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,240 And we also adopted a rescue. 49 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,360 It was only $350, but the fence was $21,000. 50 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:52,880 Oh, it's connected though. 51 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,080 I love the air fryer. 52 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,080 I love it. 53 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,680 Stilettos, rock concerts and tales of the unexpected. 54 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,120 Episode four explores 'Volenti non fit injuria'. 55 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,840 Does your employer specify don't have rigourous sex while traveling for work? 56 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:12,320 Please do not wear stilettos or else you might risk a slip, trip and fall. 57 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:17,840 Are we alert or should we be alarmed from work parties, travel to rock concerts? 58 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,800 There's all these different channels to communicate with people, right? 59 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,760 And we were talking about having a little characterization of yourself. 60 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,000 And sometimes it can erode the boundaries 61 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,640 or people feel some sense of connection, intimacy with you. 62 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:30,960 Other times you might offend somebody. 63 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,520 Episode five takes us to the High Court decision in Kozarov 64 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,040 and the need for purpose. 65 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:42,400 Episode five challenges listeners to think about the highly confronting scenarios 66 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:52,080 like child pornography and abuse. 67 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:53,760 Thrive and survive. 68 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,280 Episode six discusses candor at work and how to be real. 69 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,360 We encourage employers to discuss the messy realities of work. 70 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:06,720 Candor is a two-way street and effective pathways are needed to discuss what's what 71 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,400 in a frank and open manner. 72 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:14,640 We encourage businesses to create scenarios to imagine while you simulate the realities of work 73 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,840 and we use this to launch quality candor conversations. 74 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:23,040 In doing so we invite listeners to design work for health wellness. 75 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:28,640 So we've had some interesting cases come out of Western Australia involving native wildlife. 76 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:35,120 So one case on a mine site where Dingoes would come into the mine site. 77 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,480 Design when we work from anywhere. 78 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:45,280 Episode seven is devoted to health in the built environment from the office space to the home space. 79 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:46,800 The air that I breathe. 80 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,160 The water that I drink. 81 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,120 How is this ensured in the home work environment? 82 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,240 What about the potential risk of exposure to domestic violence? 83 00:04:54,240 --> 00:05:00,160 Listeners must consider whether they provide first aid of work or just encourage or engage 84 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,160 in better conversations workforce. 85 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,400 And Dingo's approached her. 86 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,800 She felt not overly unsafe. 87 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,800 She did leave the table but had a problem with her mobile phone. 88 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:16,240 But tried to shoot the Dingo away and then she was savaged by more than one Dingo. 89 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:17,200 It's horrible. 90 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:23,600 Yeah it is horrible but working environment can be anywhere and you can have all sorts of hazards 91 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:24,800 in that work environment. 92 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,400 There's another one from Western Australia where a surveyor went out. 93 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,040 Tired workers are deadly weapons. 94 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,440 Episode eight is a tragic road rage story. 95 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:39,600 We delve into the complexity of fatigue, shift work and high performance first just merely coping. 96 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,960 For overproductive workers it's a different set of issues. 97 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:43,840 We look at burnout. 98 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:45,440 Fatigue can seem invisible. 99 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,280 So how do we imagine the symptoms when we work anywhere? 100 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:53,840 Ultimately we ask are we designing for what we want and what we do not want. 101 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:56,640 Your first decision is going to be are you going to have alcohol or no alcohol? 102 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,840 And if you're going to have alcohol how much alcohol are you going to have? 103 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:06,000 And you need to have a very clear undeniable boundary when the party finishes. 104 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,400 Alright so I've got the song pink in my mind right now. 105 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,000 Let's get this party started. 106 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,680 You're saying we also need to say let's close the party doors. 107 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,680 Yes, yes. 108 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,960 But if you want to get the party started and you want to have a party that goes all night 109 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:26,080 then you have to accept that the robots are taking over in episode nine. 110 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,400 The rise and rise of technology. 111 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,440 We also talk about Tragedy's Tudor. 112 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,040 He's a Tudor of Pahuala. 113 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:34,080 You decide. 114 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,400 We look at hybrid dogs and hybrid work. 115 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,200 We have a bit of a laugh about all that in episode nine. 116 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:46,000 Most importantly in episode nine when we design good work it requires science, expertise, consultation. 117 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,400 We look at those fuzzy work boundaries. 118 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:53,440 Sarah proposes the role of a chief work design strategist as a must. 119 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,600 And we can listen to why Sarah thinks it's not just design. 120 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:02,960 It's not just desirable but essential that we have such persons at the workplace. 121 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,360 Because there are parties and these are various rights. 122 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:12,160 So let's say the let's now go back to work health and safety and the idea of others in the workplace. 123 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,720 Let's say so you have a third party, the stripper and he or she slips. 124 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:17,920 Who's responsible. 125 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,200 See, Alan, I think you're right about this putting a stop. 126 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:22,640 So what's the answer? 127 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,800 Well he should wear personal protective equipment. 128 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,280 Oh yes, yes. 129 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:28,880 PPE, of course. 130 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:29,920 True. 131 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,720 Well, it's all coming along. 132 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,000 It's all coming along. 133 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,080 Sorry, I think you need to acknowledge people at the time. 134 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,280 Construction work. 135 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:37,840 Look. 136 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,120 I was in a hotel in Las Vegas and they were... 137 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:49,200 We continue on our journey of design and we devote episode 10 to design strategy. 138 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:50,320 We love it. 139 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,080 We love design strategy. 140 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,880 We pursue the end game of good work design. 141 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,960 We continue on from where we left off. 142 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:04,560 We suggest that workplaces build, purchase, Sarah will prompt you to think about work design. 143 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:11,200 We might solve all the problems all the time but at least it'll minimize the likelihood of harm a lot of the time. 144 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:18,560 Now they look at the built environment typically in commercial spaces and how are you going to help regulate 145 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,080 the need for movement? 146 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:25,280 How are you going to help regulate the need for quality air flow and good water for example? 147 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,320 Nourishment, mind concepts, right? 148 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:33,840 So that you have places to regenerate and to have some relaxation. 149 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,200 You may have biophilia. 150 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,360 I'm not like you but that's okay. 151 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:38,080 So that's... 152 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,000 Trajan Allen, pro perceptions. 153 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:45,040 Their perceptions among workers and the impacts on workers in toxic workplaces. 154 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:53,680 Camera footage tells one story but it cannot reveal the ... vulnerabilities and the perceptions that arise around the toxic workplace. 155 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:58,160 Tracje and Allen unpacked the conflicts that can occur from judgement. 156 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:04,160 About mask wearing, listen to what we have to say about perceptions at the workplace. 157 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,280 Stay with the hybrid and distributed workforce models. 158 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,240 Sometimes working from home, sometimes working from anywhere. 159 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:20,160 And so there can be some standards around having health factors in a built environment in the home and employers can connect with that. 160 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,480 So that's .... WhyWork season one. 161 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,520 We continue on with friendship. 162 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,600 Why can't we be friends? 163 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,200 Episode 12 challenges cultural approaches to conflict. 164 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,760 That emotional experience is a reality and we are emotional beings. 165 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:43,280 We are emotional beings and we set about our emotions. 166 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,720 We set our emotions in motion in workplace law. 167 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:51,760 Allen reminds us that workers might not realise that they are triggering emotional responses. 168 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,560 Sensory processing, we'll look at that. 169 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:58,880 And all those sensory overloads that result in pain. 170 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,720 That built environment in this new development, so it's not retro, it's for new developments. 171 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:08,880 So the wide work podcast invites you to explore the unusual but possible human experience of work. 172 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:17,840 Join in, you'll like it.