WEBVTT 00:00:06.459 --> 00:00:09.800 Welcome to Did You Know, the ESCO HVAC podcast, 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:12.359 the show where we explore the cool, the hot, 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:15.339 and the everything in between of the HVACR industry. 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:19.199 Each week, we dig into the innovations, the insights, 00:00:19.379 --> 00:00:22.000 and the inspiring stories that power our trade 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:24.640 from the classroom to the job site and beyond. 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:27.140 This episode is brought to you by this week's 00:00:27.140 --> 00:00:30.000 amazing sponsors, Daikin Comfort Technology, 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:34.219 perfecting the air since 1924. Lincoln Tech, 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:37.979 put your potential to work. NAVAC, professional 00:00:37.979 --> 00:00:42.219 tools and equipment for HVACR technicians. Amatrol 00:00:42.219 --> 00:00:46.219 Trainers, globally impactful, personally empowering. 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:51.399 As well as AGAS, together we can. Whether you're 00:00:51.399 --> 00:00:53.619 just getting started or you've been turning wrenches 00:00:53.619 --> 00:00:56.380 for decades like myself, there's always something 00:00:56.380 --> 00:00:59.539 new for us to learn. I'm Clifton Beck, and this 00:00:59.539 --> 00:01:04.359 is Did You Know? The ESCO HVAC Podcast. Let's 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:07.000 dive in. All right, everyone. Thank you for joining 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:10.680 us at the 2026 AHR Expo. We are spending some 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:13.680 time in this fantastic Johnson Controls podcast 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:16.040 booth. I'm a little envious, actually. It's hard 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:19.260 to set up a podcast booth. out in such a large 00:01:19.260 --> 00:01:21.180 convention. I don't even know, Rob, I don't even 00:01:21.180 --> 00:01:23.040 know how many people we have here. I heard 30 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:25.239 or 40 ,000, but it's a lot. It's going to be 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:27.540 as much as 50 when we're all done. I could see 00:01:27.540 --> 00:01:30.040 that. Yeah, absolutely. You know, I'm so glad 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:32.939 to be here with you. Same. We've got a chance 00:01:32.939 --> 00:01:35.019 to work together before. Yeah. And it was great. 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:38.299 And it's on helping people understand what's 00:01:38.299 --> 00:01:41.519 changing. You are in the heart of what I feel 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:43.340 is going to be one of the largest transitions. 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:46.280 of technicians and technology that we have seen 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:49.620 in the HVAC industry in 100 years. I'll say ever. 00:01:49.859 --> 00:01:52.140 Yeah, I think so. Certainly my career. Yeah. 00:01:52.299 --> 00:01:55.120 You know, I've been spending a lot of time with 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:56.599 our good friends over at the United Association, 00:01:56.959 --> 00:02:00.359 you know, helping put together, like, what is 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:03.439 the plan? Like, as an industry, what is our plan 00:02:03.439 --> 00:02:07.689 to prepare not just our instructors, but... even 00:02:07.689 --> 00:02:11.150 homeowners and parents, helping them understand 00:02:11.150 --> 00:02:14.310 what's happening in this industry. So what we're 00:02:14.310 --> 00:02:17.430 really alluding to is we're talking about how 00:02:17.430 --> 00:02:22.189 things like data centers are becoming an incredibly 00:02:22.189 --> 00:02:24.310 significant component within the HVAC industry. 00:02:24.590 --> 00:02:27.949 If we look at smartphone, computer, anything 00:02:27.949 --> 00:02:30.830 that we use, we're consuming a huge amount of 00:02:30.830 --> 00:02:32.889 data. And what most people don't think about 00:02:32.889 --> 00:02:35.729 is the amount of heat that comes out of a data 00:02:35.729 --> 00:02:40.009 center. It's insane. Well, I think of it simply 00:02:40.009 --> 00:02:43.430 as all the power that we put into the data center. 00:02:43.530 --> 00:02:46.849 Yeah. It all becomes heat. Yeah. All of it. It's 00:02:46.849 --> 00:02:49.469 all directly converted into it's just we're transferring 00:02:49.469 --> 00:02:53.710 energy. That's all it is. But when we say heating, 00:02:53.949 --> 00:02:57.449 most of the world doesn't understand how much 00:02:57.449 --> 00:02:59.409 heat we're talking about. Oh, no. I mean, you 00:02:59.409 --> 00:03:01.750 think of it in terms of like you mentioned home. 00:03:01.889 --> 00:03:04.150 Yeah. What does it take to heat my home? Yeah. 00:03:04.169 --> 00:03:08.120 Right. We're talking many times, right, for just 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:11.639 one data set. So we need to talk a little bit 00:03:11.639 --> 00:03:13.699 about the difference between, like, wet cooling 00:03:13.699 --> 00:03:16.599 and dry cooling, the two different types of systems 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:19.860 we're using. But as a reference point, if we 00:03:19.860 --> 00:03:22.319 think about a home, like I've got a 3 ,100 -square 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:24.639 -foot home. It's got a three -ton air conditioner, 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:27.460 okay, in the Midwest. That's what I've got. So 00:03:27.460 --> 00:03:30.060 an average home, three tons of. It's a common 00:03:30.060 --> 00:03:33.340 size for a home. And I just talked to a contractor, 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:35.539 a UA contractor about a project they're doing. 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:38.000 They will not be able to do wet cooling. The 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:40.680 local codes are making them do dry cooling. And 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:46.139 this one building is going to have 400. 20 ton 00:03:46.139 --> 00:03:48.699 rooftop air conditioners because they couldn't 00:03:48.699 --> 00:03:51.680 go with a wet chiller system. So can we talk 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:53.500 a little bit about that difference between because 00:03:53.500 --> 00:03:55.199 we hear these terms, wet cooling, dry cooling. 00:03:55.300 --> 00:03:58.460 Yeah. So when we think about the difference between 00:03:58.460 --> 00:04:01.620 wet cooling and dry cooling, it's are we going 00:04:01.620 --> 00:04:05.780 to use water to reject the heat? Right. Right. 00:04:06.219 --> 00:04:09.520 That's a big that's a big part of it. So the 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:11.400 other piece that might be confusing to people 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:14.449 is particularly for a homeowner. that we're going 00:04:14.449 --> 00:04:18.529 to use chilled water right at least at some temperature 00:04:18.529 --> 00:04:22.129 to take the heat away rather than most homes 00:04:22.129 --> 00:04:24.709 have a furnace or some type of an air system 00:04:24.709 --> 00:04:26.990 yeah air to air it's moving air around don't 00:04:26.990 --> 00:04:29.230 think about water to air let alone water to computer 00:04:29.230 --> 00:04:33.430 correct right exactly and so that that's not 00:04:33.430 --> 00:04:36.509 just scale it's just the change of the system 00:04:36.509 --> 00:04:38.389 and then you start taking it saying everything 00:04:38.389 --> 00:04:43.149 builds on on the smallest size And you're just 00:04:43.149 --> 00:04:45.709 scaling it up and scaling it up. The difference 00:04:45.709 --> 00:04:48.490 is we're reaching scales we've never had to deal 00:04:48.490 --> 00:04:51.689 with before. Yeah. Well, I think it's part of 00:04:51.689 --> 00:04:54.870 like the driving force in manufacturing of chillers. 00:04:55.069 --> 00:04:59.610 It'd have to be. I mean, so think about for us 00:04:59.610 --> 00:05:02.389 as York, as a part of Johnson Controls. Yeah. 00:05:02.589 --> 00:05:06.189 And some of the most popular products we're using, 00:05:06.269 --> 00:05:09.250 the cool data centers now, have centrifugal compressors. 00:05:09.329 --> 00:05:11.389 Yeah. Because they're very efficient. Yep. And 00:05:11.389 --> 00:05:14.189 they're very scalable in terms of their size. 00:05:14.329 --> 00:05:18.250 We are taking products that we may have in the 00:05:18.250 --> 00:05:22.670 past made hundreds of in a given period of time. 00:05:22.850 --> 00:05:25.550 And now the demand says in that same period of 00:05:25.550 --> 00:05:28.649 time, I need thousands of those. Really? It's 00:05:28.649 --> 00:05:31.470 that significant? Think about the scale of manufacturing, 00:05:31.829 --> 00:05:34.310 which changes design. Yeah. Because now you start 00:05:34.310 --> 00:05:38.209 looking at how do I optimize design for faster 00:05:38.209 --> 00:05:40.860 manufacturing? Oh, you'd have to. And then. And 00:05:40.860 --> 00:05:44.279 I'll just say this transparently, no one manufacturer 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:48.740 can do it enough. So who are we competing with, 00:05:48.779 --> 00:05:52.000 even complementing with in the industry to meet 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:55.220 these growing demands of customers? Because there 00:05:55.220 --> 00:05:58.879 isn't a single entity that can build enough fast 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:01.139 enough. Yeah. And that, coming back to your first 00:06:01.139 --> 00:06:04.220 comment about we're seeing some things, I'll 00:06:04.220 --> 00:06:06.319 use the term unprecedented. Yeah, I would too. 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:11.699 have never been a part of our careers. And even 00:06:11.699 --> 00:06:13.959 as I think back beyond that, I don't know there's 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:16.879 ever been a time where we've had this much need 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:23.439 for thermal management. So fast, so big. And 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:25.899 that's the thing that we really need to emphasize 00:06:25.899 --> 00:06:29.480 to everyone listening is size. So if we think 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:33.480 about let's take a let's take a hotel. That's 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:35.160 an easy one for people to understand. Say we've 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:39.300 got a 10 story hotel. Maybe it's got a few hundred 00:06:39.300 --> 00:06:43.839 rooms to it and it might have a chiller or two. 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:47.100 Right. Maybe depending on the capacity, one or 00:06:47.100 --> 00:06:50.360 two chillers. Right. of the same size chillers 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:53.540 and we had the same footprint building and we're 00:06:53.540 --> 00:06:55.920 only using maybe one story or two story in the 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:57.939 data center how many of those chillers are we 00:06:57.939 --> 00:06:59.899 seeing put on one of these buildings now you 00:06:59.899 --> 00:07:04.439 might see 20 yeah dozens 30 yeah of those yeah 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:07.240 in in the same footprint in a portion of the 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:10.600 size and that's the piece that is also shifting 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:13.639 yeah for the manufacturers how much capacity 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:16.720 just like the data center right how much capacity 00:07:17.420 --> 00:07:20.060 computing capacity can i do in a certain footprint 00:07:20.060 --> 00:07:25.600 right now how much thermal management capacity 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:29.639 can i do pulling yeah in a certain footprint 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:32.660 of equipment yeah to be able to take that and 00:07:32.660 --> 00:07:35.199 move it somewhere else yeah right whether we're 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:37.819 going to reuse it right and repurpose it like 00:07:37.819 --> 00:07:40.879 a lot of uh I think we're getting smarter at 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:42.420 this. We're taking a look and saying, let's build 00:07:42.420 --> 00:07:44.879 this data center next to... Around a structure. 00:07:45.060 --> 00:07:47.199 Next to structures that are going to use the 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:49.439 heat. Give them heat. But we still have a lot 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:51.579 of scenarios where we're just simply discarding 00:07:51.579 --> 00:07:53.480 that to the ambient. Yeah. Well, think about 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:55.220 every residential air conditioner. I mean, that's 00:07:55.220 --> 00:07:56.819 what we do. Exactly. We just dump it outside. 00:07:56.920 --> 00:07:59.740 We just dump it outside and we say, okay, I got 00:07:59.740 --> 00:08:01.339 to get rid of it. I just don't want it in the 00:08:01.339 --> 00:08:03.860 space. Data centers have the same thing. Yeah. 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:06.160 But they're dealing with so much more that now 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:08.389 we're starting to think about... I should probably 00:08:08.389 --> 00:08:10.990 do something with that heat energy. Because it 00:08:10.990 --> 00:08:12.930 cost me something to get it. Yeah, I used the 00:08:12.930 --> 00:08:15.750 computing power, but if I could repurpose it, 00:08:15.790 --> 00:08:18.569 maybe somebody could buy that again. And why 00:08:18.569 --> 00:08:20.939 not? Yeah, we're going to start seeing a shift 00:08:20.939 --> 00:08:23.800 in the way we look at energy because of things 00:08:23.800 --> 00:08:26.819 like this. Tremendous. Because we can repurpose 00:08:26.819 --> 00:08:29.259 that heat. We can put it back into municipal 00:08:29.259 --> 00:08:32.379 energy systems and move it around. Like we used 00:08:32.379 --> 00:08:35.039 to have steam manufacturing plants. Go back 100 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.679 years, you might have a steam plant in a city 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:40.820 that provided heat for all of your downtown buildings. 00:08:41.059 --> 00:08:43.720 And that's what we should do when we start looking 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:47.740 at this. You were talking about shrinking that 00:08:47.740 --> 00:08:51.279 footprint. I had another conversation with a 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:53.659 very large contractor that's working directly 00:08:53.659 --> 00:08:59.840 with the owners of our data centers. And one 00:08:59.840 --> 00:09:03.370 particular next generation NVIDIA chip. They're 00:09:03.370 --> 00:09:07.509 anticipating should run about 12 times faster 00:09:07.509 --> 00:09:11.769 than the current model. That means 12 times the 00:09:11.769 --> 00:09:14.669 amount of heat that we're doing now in the same 00:09:14.669 --> 00:09:18.389 footprint. Exactly. So the term that everybody's 00:09:18.389 --> 00:09:22.429 using is the increased density, right? We're 00:09:22.429 --> 00:09:28.149 trying to get more done in the same or less footprint. 00:09:28.389 --> 00:09:32.159 You don't have unlimited. No, especially when 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:35.279 you get in town. So you have to make systems 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:39.379 that are efficient at managing that. And we have 00:09:39.379 --> 00:09:44.740 a product at the AHR Expo this year that we're 00:09:44.740 --> 00:09:47.460 introducing that's all about that. It's how do 00:09:47.460 --> 00:09:50.860 I get more capacity, optimize for the range it 00:09:50.860 --> 00:09:54.560 has to optimize in, in a smaller footprint. So 00:09:54.560 --> 00:09:57.120 that's where our engineering work is. Makes sense. 00:09:57.259 --> 00:09:59.480 In solutions. Right. Just like the data centers 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:02.019 are trying to figure out how do I pack more computing 00:10:02.019 --> 00:10:04.379 power. Yeah. Into this footprint. Like you mentioned, 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:09.039 a factor of 12. Yeah. Right. In the same space, 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:10.980 especially if you were to take an existing data 00:10:10.980 --> 00:10:13.980 center, retrofit it with those 12x chips. Right. 00:10:14.299 --> 00:10:16.519 I don't really just want to go 12x on the building. 00:10:16.620 --> 00:10:20.179 No. So. I can't go from one acre to 12. I can't. 00:10:20.179 --> 00:10:21.759 It's not possible. It's not going to be feasible. 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:24.820 some of the hardest part of it is where do i 00:10:24.820 --> 00:10:26.740 put these and where how do i get the land and 00:10:26.740 --> 00:10:28.759 then how do i get everything i need to support 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:32.519 this this process so this evolution now are you 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:35.940 seeing that both in um like air -cooled chillers 00:10:35.940 --> 00:10:38.039 and water -cooled chillers are you seeing the 00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:41.919 changes two products were we just released more 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:44.879 density more capacity right in the same footprint 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:49.909 in an air -cooled chiller and More density, capacity 00:10:49.909 --> 00:10:53.509 because of its capabilities of lift. Right. And 00:10:53.509 --> 00:10:55.389 how we're going to reject the heat in a water 00:10:55.389 --> 00:10:59.850 -cooled chiller. So that trend is growing. And 00:10:59.850 --> 00:11:04.090 our engineers are having fun because it's a real 00:11:04.090 --> 00:11:11.330 challenge. This is like stepping back into the 00:11:11.330 --> 00:11:16.500 age of... of machinery and yeah you know the 00:11:16.500 --> 00:11:18.820 mechanical evolution and when we started to automate 00:11:18.820 --> 00:11:22.139 things and we had equipment that could do things 00:11:22.139 --> 00:11:24.799 that you can imagine a year ago took a lot of 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:27.419 people to do and maybe was really inefficient 00:11:27.419 --> 00:11:29.919 exactly so you know our engineers are looking 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:33.480 at opportunities and you know testing new designs 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:37.100 and new principles and i think we'll see a whole 00:11:37.100 --> 00:11:41.220 new era of engineering within our industry well 00:11:41.220 --> 00:11:43.440 and so one of the first times that you and i 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:45.720 had a chance to work together you had a chance 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:48.940 to see our jadex facility amazing facility facilities 00:11:48.940 --> 00:11:52.919 like that are critical yeah to serving this industry. 00:11:53.019 --> 00:11:54.759 We're not going to develop those products unless 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:57.860 we have the ability to have a facility that has 00:11:57.860 --> 00:12:01.460 those capabilities. Yeah. Right. And to go fast 00:12:01.460 --> 00:12:04.340 in doing it so that we can on the heels of a 00:12:04.340 --> 00:12:07.320 solution that worked today, we've got a solution 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:09.299 ready to go for whatever we need to do tomorrow. 00:12:09.500 --> 00:12:11.769 Right. And for those that don't know what we 00:12:11.769 --> 00:12:14.470 are talking about with the J -DEC, that's our 00:12:14.470 --> 00:12:16.950 Advanced Development Engineering Center where 00:12:16.950 --> 00:12:20.549 they do, I'm sure that's the largest research 00:12:20.549 --> 00:12:22.549 and development center in the world for children 00:12:22.549 --> 00:12:25.909 technology. It is, right. That's a massive, beautiful 00:12:25.909 --> 00:12:30.889 facility that is building great big things in 00:12:30.889 --> 00:12:32.629 the research and development stage. Exactly. 00:12:33.549 --> 00:12:36.529 That's where we figure it all out. Yeah, very 00:12:36.529 --> 00:12:42.120 intriguing. All right. Cool. So I know you got 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:45.059 new innovations in air and in water. We do. Are 00:12:45.059 --> 00:12:47.639 they both going to the same places or are we 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:50.600 seeing them being used in different applications? 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:53.440 We're finding, so take a data center customer 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:56.240 that's going to build a variety of data centers. 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:59.940 Yeah. Some strategies that are doing this data 00:12:59.940 --> 00:13:03.360 center is getting, let's say, an air cold solution. 00:13:03.659 --> 00:13:07.179 Yeah. This data center is going to be. developed 00:13:07.179 --> 00:13:10.200 using a water -cooled solution, which, by the 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:13.539 way, is ultimately air -cooled, right? Because 00:13:13.539 --> 00:13:16.980 the other big challenge, we talk about real estate, 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:22.120 we talk about power for these, is water to cool, 00:13:22.340 --> 00:13:25.659 right? And a lot of places are saying, you don't 00:13:25.659 --> 00:13:30.019 have any water to evaporate for cooling. So it's 00:13:30.019 --> 00:13:33.379 changing the idea of what a water -cooled chiller 00:13:33.379 --> 00:13:35.419 does, right? Because we, for years... We grew 00:13:35.419 --> 00:13:37.259 up saying, well, you always reject that too. 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:40.120 Get your big well. Water -cooled. It's only a 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:43.899 dead tower. Now we're doing that for a dry cooler. 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:46.639 So now we're going to optimize it because I can 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:49.519 get more capacity in the same footprint with 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:52.919 a water -cooled chiller. And then I can move 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:56.799 that heat to a dry cooler and not use evaporative 00:13:56.799 --> 00:13:59.759 water. so throw that mix in too so it's almost 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:02.139 like i have two air cold solutions absolutely 00:14:02.139 --> 00:14:04.279 one starts as a water cold chiller for efficiency 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:06.980 and footprint yeah and then we air cool it and 00:14:06.980 --> 00:14:10.399 then i've got an optimized built from the ground 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:14.220 up air cold with your typical coils and condenser 00:14:14.220 --> 00:14:16.580 fans but it's always going to take up a little 00:14:16.580 --> 00:14:19.340 more real estate as a single piece and i'm sure 00:14:19.340 --> 00:14:23.850 based on geography you don't have ideal You have 00:14:23.850 --> 00:14:25.690 to use combinations because you may have one 00:14:25.690 --> 00:14:27.169 part of the country that has plenty of water, 00:14:27.210 --> 00:14:29.490 not enough electricity. Correct. Opposite in 00:14:29.490 --> 00:14:31.470 other parts. Which is why the manufacturers have 00:14:31.470 --> 00:14:34.590 to have a variety of solutions to be able to 00:14:34.590 --> 00:14:37.690 fit those different needs. Could be the same 00:14:37.690 --> 00:14:40.450 data center companies, but building in different 00:14:40.450 --> 00:14:43.470 areas, different geographies, and different types 00:14:43.470 --> 00:14:46.149 of data centers. As that continues to evolve 00:14:46.149 --> 00:14:51.440 and shift and change. it's hard to stay on top 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:54.100 of, right? I mean, it really is. Just talking 00:14:54.100 --> 00:14:56.759 to the contractors that are building these structures, 00:14:57.080 --> 00:15:01.240 they're doing bids. And then if it's not sealed 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:03.919 in the deal in a few months, they may come back 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:05.960 with a change order and it's a completely different 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:08.799 technology. Well, and think about what ESCO does, 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:11.419 right? Educating the industry. Think about how 00:15:11.419 --> 00:15:15.059 many more people we need in skilled trades to 00:15:15.059 --> 00:15:18.720 be able to execute this one, right? From piping. 00:15:19.839 --> 00:15:24.360 to the electrical, to all the controls, then 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:27.399 the maintenance and service, right? We're talking 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:30.399 about taking care of a lot of equipment in a 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:34.580 small area, right? We like to think, oh, we can 00:15:34.580 --> 00:15:37.299 space these apart so we have plenty of access 00:15:37.299 --> 00:15:41.000 to do it. The reality is minimal access. So you've 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:43.700 got to have people who are really creative, but 00:15:43.700 --> 00:15:46.220 there's tremendous opportunity, huge, right? 00:15:47.049 --> 00:15:49.029 If you're looking and saying, I want to work 00:15:49.029 --> 00:15:51.629 with my hands, this is the time to jump in. Absolutely. 00:15:51.710 --> 00:15:54.370 For sure. In this realm, so we just did a podcast 00:15:54.370 --> 00:15:56.529 with the Bureau of Labor Statistics talking about 00:15:56.529 --> 00:16:02.590 the 10 -year projection, 24 to 34, and the national 00:16:02.590 --> 00:16:06.149 average is somewhere around 2 .8 % growth. HVAC 00:16:06.149 --> 00:16:09.590 technicians, service technicians, around 8 .3%, 00:16:09.590 --> 00:16:11.590 right? Almost three times the national average. 00:16:11.950 --> 00:16:15.120 But when we look at those data centers. I was 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:16.500 having the same conversation with some of these 00:16:16.500 --> 00:16:17.779 contractors, you know, because I was curious, 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:19.840 like, what are these technicians making? So, 00:16:19.860 --> 00:16:21.820 you know, these are highly skilled technicians. 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:24.120 Most of them are, you know, six to 10 years in 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:27.039 the field. And most of them are, now get this, 00:16:27.139 --> 00:16:30.419 most of these technicians that are in the service 00:16:30.419 --> 00:16:35.480 side of the chiller side, right? They are $170 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:39.259 ,000 to $200 ,000 a year jobs. Yep. And I think 00:16:39.259 --> 00:16:42.090 that's. that's some of the wake -up call i think 00:16:42.090 --> 00:16:44.389 for people who are looking at options yeah where 00:16:44.389 --> 00:16:47.029 do i want to uh how do i want to prepare myself 00:16:47.029 --> 00:16:49.690 for that career because all of a sudden what 00:16:49.690 --> 00:16:54.240 was once unattractive from a compensation standpoint, 00:16:54.259 --> 00:16:57.080 maybe relative to if I did something else. Now 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:00.500 it's very attractive. If I go through an apprenticeship 00:17:00.500 --> 00:17:03.120 program, I can be out there making that kind 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:05.480 of money in five years and not have a ton of 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:09.960 college debt. Boy, it is. It's a big draw. Yeah, 00:17:09.980 --> 00:17:11.579 that's all another conversation. Man, I'm so 00:17:11.579 --> 00:17:13.759 grateful to hang out with you. We could do this 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:15.859 for hours. We could. All right, well, I thank 00:17:15.859 --> 00:17:18.160 you for joining us. Where can our audience learn 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:22.180 more about your products? and where the industry 00:17:22.180 --> 00:17:26.240 is going. Certainly we can learn about the industry 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:28.819 more broadly at our Johnson Controls website, 00:17:29.019 --> 00:17:31.519 where we can cover the gamut of everything we 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:33.980 do in buildings. But very specific to these thermal 00:17:33.980 --> 00:17:39.460 solutions, our York website. So commercial solutions, 00:17:39.740 --> 00:17:42.619 industrial solutions, all the products are there, 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:46.039 all the different technologies that take care 00:17:46.039 --> 00:17:48.319 of thermal management and data centers and other 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:52.420 critical facilities that we do. So that's the 00:17:52.420 --> 00:17:54.099 best place to go. Cool. Well, I encourage you 00:17:54.099 --> 00:17:56.279 all to go check it out and hopefully you'll get 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:58.660 a different perspective on the HVAC industry.