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Welcome to Did You Know, the ESCO HVAC podcast,

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just getting started or you've been turning wrenches

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for decades like myself, there's always something

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new for us to learn. I'm Clifton Beck, and this

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is Did You Know? The ESCO Age Fact Podcast. Let's

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dive in. Well, hello, everyone. Thank you for

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joining Did You Know? The ESCO Age Fact Podcast.

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So today we're spending some time with Sam and

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Steven from Hitachi. Guys, how's it going? I'm

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doing wonderful. It's decent weather outside

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and looking forward to an up and coming weekend.

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You know, we've had some really hot weather and

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it's hopefully going to cool down a little bit

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and kind of kind of lead us in today's scenario.

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We're going to spend a little bit of time talking

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about. home and comfort and solutions. And in

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particular, we're going to dive into the Hitachi

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Air Home products and get a little bit more comfortable

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with heating and cooling comfort. What do you

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think? Sounds like a great plan. Let's do it.

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All right. Well, we can always talk about like

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technology. I think that's a great place to start.

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We know that Hitachi was like the industry first

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brushless DC compressor back in 1983. So Hitachi

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is not new to the inverter realm, to the comfort

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realm. And along the way, you've been building

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products and building the air home kind of comfort

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system, the ecosystem of its own. So let's talk

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about what's happening in that realm. So, I mean,

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as you know, right, you know, we've obviously

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been around the inverter technology, VRF, DFS,

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you know, since the 80s, I believe, if I can

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recall. Hitachi itself has been around for...

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100 year plus, you know, they started back in

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the 20s, I think 1920s. But so obviously Hitachi

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has always been an innovator, right? We developed

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some of the critical stuff. You know, I don't

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want to say we were the first to develop this

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inverter technology. I don't know if that's an

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accurate statement, but we do know for a fact

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that we were the ones to develop things like

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the scroll compressor. you know, which obviously

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in a lot of these new technologies with the DFS

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or VRF, they're using these type of compressors.

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You know, we developed one of the first pack

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systems similar to the rack systems, a lot of

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like new IDUs, like four -way cassettes, a lot

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of these indoor units that are being used as

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of today. So we've been a lot of the new innovations

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when it comes to these products, right? And we

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know here, obviously North America, we use this

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opportunity with the new A2O transition. to develop

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our new lineup called air home that I think we've

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developed it. We kind of fine tune that that

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line card to be able to tie in specifically those

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to those residential markets. That is the that

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is the reason why we call this air home product

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our rack products rack, meaning residential air

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conditioning. So that's kind of a little bit

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of a little bit of a background on this, right?

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Yeah. One of the cool things that we're seeing

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is heating capacities. Like some of the systems

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are doing, you know, minus four degrees Fahrenheit

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with 100 % capacity in that 800 series. So can

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you tell us a little bit more about the 400,

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600, and 800 series products? So we, you know,

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we've done a substantial amount of... analyzing

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i guess the market in general right we kind of

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try to see what what kind of products we can

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bring in to fit in in different categories of

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the market right whether it's based on comfort

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cooling whether it's based on heating or cooling

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zone regions, whether it's south, central, north

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regions, different type of aspects of customers,

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depending on the features that they want, depending

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on what specifications that they're requesting,

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depending on kind of aesthetics and the feel

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of the product. So we've done a substantial analysis,

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and this is why we came up with different tiers.

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of the air home right so as you mentioned we

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have the tier of the air home 400 we have the

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air home 500 or sorry 600 and we have the air

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home 800 right so meaning is airhome 400 kind

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of ties into more of the we we don't want to

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call it an entry level tier but i guess we can

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start it as technically it is considered an entry

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level tier so it's more applying to those kind

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of region zone one zone two regions and it's

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applying to those more customers that are kind

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of focused more on kind of budget savings but

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still want a good product right you still get

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some of those decent features and technologies

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now you move on to the higher tier like the 600

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It's more applying to those cold climate regions,

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right? As we were discussing, it's a cold climate

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heat pump applying to more of those regions,

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three regions, fours, right? To be able to tie

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into those customers, but at the same time, also

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improving the features and the benefits of the

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product. So being a little bit more on the standard

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costs, right? Kind of household income. Then

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you go into the higher tier products, right?

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For those that say, you know what? I want the

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best of the best. Then you go with the Airhome

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800. So you get best of everything, right? Cooling,

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best of heating. best of the features best of

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the appearance best of i mean you name it you

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know even your own handheld remote controllers

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everything just comes in a premium a premium

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setup for those products so again uh cold climate

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has been a very big thing that heat pumps always

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lacked previously Right. And as we know, right,

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that is one of that was one of the doubts within

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the mini split world. Right. It was, hey, you

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know, can they really heat down to those cold

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temperatures? Right. I'm still comfortable using

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my furnace or I'm still comfortable using my

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conventional air handler unit. Well, we've kind

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of tackled that by improving our products to

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operate to operations down to minus 13 in our

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standard tier product. And even as low as minus

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22 F in our higher tier products that can still

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provide 100 percent heating. down to those minus

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4f minus 5f uh temperatures so a little bit of

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a background there yeah yeah it's pretty crazy

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the way that we've been able to you know advance

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the the equipment to produce that amount of heat

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of those lower ambient temperatures you know

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when we're talking about like some of those options

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as we start getting into the higher tier products

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one i thought was very interesting was uh the

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frost wash tell me a little bit about that feature

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I'll speak on that feature of frost wash. So

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that's one of our key things that we patent.

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We're the only ones that have the true frost

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wash. What we did with our 410A, which was our

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previous product, then we came out with this

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new R32 product. And with the old 410A, we still

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had the great benefit of the frost wash and got

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rid of about 99 % of bacteria. We mean molds

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and bacterias and stuff like that. But Sam, being

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our DFS product engineer, he wanted to take it

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another step further. So by taking that another

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step forward with our R32 product, we incorporated

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at the very beginning of it, it is a hot sequence

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of it's going to now heat the indoor heat exchanger

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to harden up all of those oils and stuff that

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we just produce as human beings, right? We have

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oils that are coming off of us and the skin and

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stuff like that we shed, right? So we are now

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going to use that heating part at the beginning

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of it. And we're going to harden up all of those

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oils and stuff like that. And then we're going

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to go into the freezing part where we freeze

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the entire heat exchanger. Then we go into a

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melting part of it where we wash all of that

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off. With the 400, it's a manual. Right. So they

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still get that same type of benefit, even though

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it's, you know, like Sam kind of referred to

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it as an entry tier. It's manual. So the customer

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has to manually put it in that feature. Cross

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wash mode. That's correct. OK. When you get to

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the six and the eight hundred, it's auto. OK.

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So it's based off of run hours of that equipment.

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Oh, sure. Also, with the 600 and the 800, not

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only does it auto -frost wash the indoor heat

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exchanger, we're even concentrating on your outdoor

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heat exchanger. So we'll do frost wash on your

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outdoor heat exchanger as well if you're in those

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temperature guidelines in order to do it. So

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during the summertime, if it's really hot outside,

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the system itself recognizes, hey, it's hot.

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I can't go into this certain feature for the

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outdoor frost wash because then I would start

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losing control of the space that I'm trying to

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condition. So it will set that off until it gets

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into those temperatures and then it will execute

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that. Also, what we enhanced on the outdoor frost

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wash is what we call DuraSpin. So we know that

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we get grass clippings when we mow our yards.

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There could be construction or just a storm goes

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by and we have all this dust in the air. Well,

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all that dust gets trapped into that heat exchanger.

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Sure. If I was to freeze that and then melt it

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off, that dust now turns into mud. So with DuraSpin,

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we run the fan motor backwards. at a high rate

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of speed and blow out all of that loose particle

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dust and dirt, then it will freeze that heat

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exchanger and wash it off. Because the last thing

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we want to do is create a problem. We're trying

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to help with cleaning the heat exchanger. By

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the indoor frost wash, as well as the outdoor

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frost wash, that's where we separate ourselves

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in the industry out there of maintaining our

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sear rating and our efficiencies on that type

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of equipment. So most people at homes, they never

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clean their heat exchangers, right? And with

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the indoor frost wash, the old way of cleaning

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your indoor heat exchangers was getting that

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big blue bag that you put up underneath that

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fan coil. And now I'm introducing all this water

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into somebody's house on the wall. Me as a homeowner,

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I'm like, wait a minute. What do you got going

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on here? That looks very scary in a potential

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accident waiting to happen. Well, that's been

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one of the biggest concerns as we're trying to

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encourage customers and even ourselves to go

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to ductless systems is the maintenance on them,

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right? It's a different maintenance type of work.

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And for some applications, it's a difficult procedure,

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especially if we're introducing water into an

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area where we definitely don't want to take any

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chances. You know, we put a ductless system into

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a room that's got computers, got electronics.

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One of the last things I want to do is tell my

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customer that I'm bringing a garden hose in.

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right? Just the thought of it gets scary to people.

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And so that has been an obstacle in the industry.

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And I love how we're doing the reverse airflow

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on the outdoor unit. I can remember, you know,

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as a refrigeration technician, one of the first

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times I encountered that, I had a small Coca

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-Cola cooler. I think it was manufactured by

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Beverage Air at the time. And it had a reversing

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condenser fan on it. And I can tell you, in comparison

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to the rest of the equipment sitting right next

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to it, that condenser very rarely needed cleaning

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in comparison to the traditional coils. So adding

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that extra maintenance feature is a huge, huge

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asset over things that don't use that technology.

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So kudos for doing that on the outdoor and using

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the frost wash on both sides. I mean, that saves

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a lot in the maintenance side of things. Absolutely.

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Yeah, very, very cool. All right, so let's talk

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about some of the connectability, too, as well

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with the AirHome. Our entry product has optional

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interfaces for end users, so it doesn't come

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with the unit. Again, it's an entry -tier product,

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right? But it is an optional accessory you can

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purchase. Now, all our units do come with their

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own handheld remote controller right out of the

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box, right? So there's no issues there. So they'll

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be able to control and do whatever they need

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to do with the system from that standpoint. But

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if they want to be able to control this product

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from anywhere around the world, right, we have

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our own proprietary Wi -Fi app, what we call

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our AirCloud Go. So for the entry tier, it's

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an optional accessory. For the mid -tier and

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high -tier, it comes standard with the units.

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And these apps are a little bit unique. They're

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a little bit different than what you see out

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in the market. I can name a couple of points.

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So the apps, of course, most do have, you know.

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amazon alexa so they do have that integration

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in them of course you can control the system

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anywhere on the world as long as you have that

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wi -fi connectivity of the system in your home

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but they also have other neat features like they

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have an energy monitoring system right now i'm

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not going to say you're going to use that as

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a billing feature but you can use that to be

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able to give you an estimate of how much energy

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you're consuming right throughout throughout

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the month or the day or the week because a lot

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of us right we know ac systems or hvac systems

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pull a lot of energy for most of your electrical

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uh consumption throughout the month the day or

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the week so if you feel like hey if i'm if i'm

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hitting 68 69 uh f cooling right and i'm wasting

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let's say 30 kwh kilowatts per hour right a month

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but if i keep it at 72 yes i'm sacrificing a

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little of my comfort but i'm keeping now at 20

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kwh every month You're saving a big chunk on

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your electrical bill, and you're able to verify

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that using that AirCloud Go app. Additionally,

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it has something like energy efficiency part

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of it, which what it does is it has what's called

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a Geo fencing or they call it like yeah geo fencing

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location So based on whether you're coming from

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home or leaving home, right? Whether you're going

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to work or going to school or coming back going

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to the grocery store, etc The system is going

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to adjust your temperature to be able to give

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you that extra bump and energy efficiency, right?

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So let's say you have it in cooling mode and

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you go to work and it knows it's you're gonna

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be gone for eight hours Right. It's based on

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a certain radius of your location to the system

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Then it'll adjust it by two degrees, three degrees

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higher in cooling, just so you're saving that

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energy. And as soon as you start coming back,

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it'll adjust it again. So as soon as you walk

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in your door, you're back to your set point.

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You're comfortable. You didn't even realize the

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system changed, but you're saving money at the

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same time. So our AirCloud Go app has a lot of

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those neat features integrated. And as well as

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being able to control frosh, wash, and all that

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good stuff, you can do it through the app as

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well. So those are some of the neat interfaces

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that we have for the users. I love having the

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analytics like that. You know, if you think about

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that as a homeowner, right? You know, hey, hey,

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Billy, when I get home from work every day, this

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house seems awfully cold. And are you messing

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with this thermostat during the day? No, no,

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no. No, never touched it. No. And then you pull

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the report and you go, oh, why is our KW usage

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going up at 2 p .m. every Monday through Friday

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and going back down at 430 before I get home,

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right? And how many of us have left our homes

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and thought as we're. Two, three miles down the

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road. Did I change that? I still left it at 68

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degrees. It's going to automatically make that

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adjustment when it sees looking through that

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eye sensor in the bottom left -hand corner. Oh,

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there's nobody in the room. Right. And it's going

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to make those adjustments. Plus, with the geofencing,

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it's seeing that you have left that area, that

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radius that it's monitoring. Very, very cool.

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I know another feature that I'd seen, which I

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have not encountered in other ductless systems,

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is when we get into air filtration, even some

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of the carbon filters you're utilizing in air

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filtration. Tell me a little bit about that one.

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Yeah, I could tackle it. Yeah. So, yeah, we do

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have carbon filters and stainless steel mesh

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filters, all with standard with our with our

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mini split products. Right. Oh, so carbon filters,

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as you know, it's removing about. those small

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micron particles. So again, on top of the frosh

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wash, you're getting an extra bump in that indoor

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air quality using this carbon filter on the indoor

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side. So you're able to get a lot of the bacteria.

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You're able to get a lot of the viruses, a lot

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of the mold. A lot of that stuff gets kind of

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taken care of from the carbon filter side as

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well as from the frosh wash. So you're kind of

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doing like a double -sided kind of sword, right?

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You're taking care of both ends. You're tackling

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it from both sides. Additionally, we have the

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stainless steel. filter which is pretty neat

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because you know a lot of these filters right

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you know usually you have to take them out and

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as soon as you take them out they get damaged

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and when you start cleaning them they get damaged

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and etc and then you have to replace it that's

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a more cost for the end users with these filters

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stainless steel they're sturdy enough right that

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you can just throw them in like a wash a dishwasher

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No way. And you can just throw them in there.

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They'll clean them. You'll clean them. They won't

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get damaged. And then you can dry them up, put

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them back into your unit and you're ready to

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go. Do you know how many of these, I was a service

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tech here in the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex

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for 20 years. You know how many of these I've

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had to replace because we've washed them out

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a couple of times and now they got big holes

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going through them. This is all stainless steel.

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So, I mean, you can flex this thing, twist it

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all up. You're not damaging any of that steel.

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You can throw these in your washing machine and

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clean them off yourself and then slot them all

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right back in. And then this is the spot that

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that little carbon filter piece is going to go

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through. Excellent. All right. I want one. Where

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can we learn more about Hitachi Air Home? So

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you can come to my facility here that we're doing

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this podcast from in Irving, Texas. We're about

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15 minutes away from DFW Airport, which is one

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of the main hub airports in North America. I

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offer classes. We have all this product. I have

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a 5 ,000 square foot lab that we have all of

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our residential, lot commercial, as well as our

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three -phase commercial. um we have our air to

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water we have all of our equipment in my lab

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i teach classes on these on a weekly basis and

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so we invite anybody to come down you can go

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and sign up for training on vrf pro so it's my

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training website you make an account on there

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and you can sign up for any classes come down

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here to texas and give us a visit All right.

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And I can personally vouch for that. I've been

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down there. It's an amazing facility. I encourage

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you all to check it out and learn more at HitachiAirCon

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.com. Gentlemen, thank you for joining us today.

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Thanks for having us. Thank you for having us.
