1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,720 soften your senses ways to become a better speaker, listener and 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:13,880 follower. This episode brought to you by The Jenkins Foundation 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,640 sounding the alarm on carbon monoxide poisoning. Learn more 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:22,040 at the Jenkins foundation.com. All right, everyone, thank you 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,960 for joining us once again. So we are having a follow up 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,280 conversation that we started last year at the same time at 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,760 the National HVACR education conference. So this year we're 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,720 spending some time with Chris Hauschiltd. How are you doing? 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,320 I'm good. Thanks. Thanks for having me. This is a lot of fun. 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,400 I'm glad you're joining me. Once again, we had a lot of positive 11 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,280 reviews from our podcast from last year. This year, we also 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,200 have Bob Dwyer joining us. How are you doing, sir? Very good. 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,240 Good conference again. So we have two of the forefront 14 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,240 representatives of carbon monoxide safety in our industry, 15 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,040 trying to help people be more aware of the scenarios and 16 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:02,840 helping the HVAC industry be more involved with our 17 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:08,440 responsible opportunities to monitor and analyze and be at 18 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,880 the forefront of training and education in the sector. So Chris, 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,200 let's let's dive deeper from where we started from last year. 20 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,560 And let's talk a little bit about the unique opportunities 21 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,680 that HVAC professionals have in this area. 22 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,280 Sure. Well, I think we touched on this last year about kind of 23 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,200 the lack of awareness in a lot of industries about the 24 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,800 deficits in the safety industry that are in place to protect 25 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:39,200 people in home, both homes and businesses, and that there have 26 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,160 been some important developments in the code world that we've 27 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,360 been involved in in the last few years, including expanding the 28 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,160 International Fire Code requirements to include 29 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,200 detection, CO detection and all commercial occupancies that 30 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,760 house permanently installed fuel burning appliances. Following 31 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:00,440 that, we worked with UL to get the standard for UL 2034 to be 32 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,600 expanded to include commercial occupancies. Prior to that, it 33 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,840 just referenced homes in its scope. And with the passage of 34 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,920 the fire code, the allowance for the usage of UL 2034 listed 35 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:17,960 devices was allowed for smaller businesses. And so we worked 36 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,520 with UL and successfully got the scope expanded to include 37 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,680 commercial occupancy. So those devices are available as 38 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,200 equipment as well to be used to protect people in those spaces. 39 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,640 And we're currently working still with UL to address 40 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:38,440 another missing piece in the safety industry that often, you 41 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,720 know, the industry is not aware of that these deficits exist. 42 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:46,840 And that is the usage of low level devices, the public 43 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,560 in particular is not aware of these devices, not aware of the 44 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,880 set limits that exist in UL 2034 that those high level alarms 45 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,600 don't go off until a certain level is reached in the 46 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:03,160 environment, and how many people can be impacted at lower levels 47 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,120 over time. So especially in homes, it's important to be 48 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,480 aware of those devices. But these these devices as as the 49 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,760 HVAC community knows already exist, you know, you all are 50 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:17,080 using them in your jobs every day. The unfortunate thing for 51 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,520 the public is that there is no manufacturing standard for these 52 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,160 low level devices. So we've been working with UL to bring 53 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:28,440 attention to that, and hopefully get a standard developed that 54 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,080 covers the manufacturing of the low level monitors, so that those 55 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,800 can be more successfully marketed to the public, that the 56 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,200 Consumer Product Safety Commission can recommend them 57 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:42,040 that we can help people to select an alarm and then we can 58 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,280 alarm and they can be reassured that the device is going to do 59 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,760 what it says it's going to do. Yes. And so these things are all 60 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:53,080 important, you know, in in in HVAC industry, as far as, you 61 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,360 know, the technicians are really the they're they're at the 62 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,560 forefront of safety as far as the consumers in that they're 63 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,640 they're out there talking to people on a regular basis when 64 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,480 they're servicing appliances and installing them perfect 65 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,040 opportunities if they have them to convey this information to 66 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,320 the public and to businesses in particular, which I think there's 67 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,360 a lot of assumptions out there that business owners have this 68 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,200 information and are knowledgeable about the 69 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,000 human oxide safety and, and that's that's simply not true 70 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,000 for the most part, it's not. Yeah. So So, you know, any 71 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,080 conversations out in the field are of huge value for 72 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:29,200 technicians to have you can you can literally save someone's 73 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,520 life with a conversation. 74 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,760 You bring up a very interesting point with the UL requirements. 75 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,120 You know, Bob, you spend a lot of time looking at different 76 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,520 types of detectors and shed a lot of light on the fact that 77 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,480 not all carbon monoxide detectors are built the same. 78 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:49,120 No, they're not. I mean, though there are standards, there are 79 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,800 checks and balances in reference to their accuracy. Yeah. 80 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:58,280 However, unless it's being measured against carbon 81 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:02,360 monoxide, you don't know if it's working or if it's accurate to 82 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,760 the degree that is indicated or that person needs the due 83 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:11,040 diligence of the HVAC community to enter buildings measuring 84 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,200 carbon monoxide with their instruments that are 85 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,520 pre calibrated have a big advantage, big advantage on a 86 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,280 safety issue. You know, if you don't test, you don't find 87 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:20,960 Yeah, exactly. 88 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,000 And you may be in a situation where there's something going on. 89 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:30,240 And you become that that hero, that unsung hero, if nothing 90 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:31,480 else is still a hero. 91 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,080 Yeah, absolutely. You know, every year we have deaths in 92 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,440 residential and commercial and Chris, you can you bring such a 93 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,680 powerful impactful story of how it has affected your life. And 94 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:46,280 not everyone realizes that they have the opportunity every day 95 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:51,000 to be that person that could save a person's life. Right. Right. 96 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,720 No, a lot of responsibility to not be paying attention to I 97 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,920 mean, we were there in the homes in the structures with the right 98 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:05,000 tools already in place, and the opportunity to be able to do the 99 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,880 analysis and be able to monitor and measure these conditions. 100 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,600 And unfortunately, it's not a regular practice in our 101 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,040 industry, like it could and should be. 102 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,000 Yes. And and I think, again, there's also a lot of 103 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,840 assumptions out there, somebody else is talking to people about 104 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:27,680 safety, which is we're finding is not happening. And so the 105 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,120 importance of, you know, not only talking to people about 106 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:35,120 proper, you know, maintenance of their fuel burning appliances 107 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,240 and a safe use of that, but also just as a, you know, hey, do you 108 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,320 have carbon monoxide alarms installed in here? Are you aware 109 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,600 that, you know, this device, if they're if it develops a problem 110 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,120 can start producing this gas that you cannot detect otherwise 111 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:54,560 and and literally can kill you. And that oftentimes is enough 112 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,120 for people to start asking questions, especially in these 113 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,640 buildings that have maintenance staff, people who I think also 114 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,960 the assumption is, is that they're knowledgeable about 115 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,360 carbon monoxide safety. And these cases that result in 116 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,960 deaths and injuries in these buildings, just what happened to 117 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,760 my parents in a hotel, you know, they both died and similar 118 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,680 things to, you know, the fact that their facility was hiring 119 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,400 unlike unlicensed HVAC people to work on their equipment, they 120 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,240 weren't commercially licensed, the maintenance workers at the 121 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,280 facility were doing things that they weren't licensed to do. And 122 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,800 some of them were not aware of the fact that they should be 123 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,080 doing that at all. So, you know, there's a there's a variety of 124 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,080 ways that I think as technicians, you can really make 125 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,600 an impact on the knowledge base of the facility that you're in 126 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,600 or the homeowner that you're talking to, because the people do 127 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,160 not know people out in the public all the time who have no 128 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:52,000 idea what a fuel burning appliances. You know, they they 129 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,640 don't know what we're talking about. So it really is, is it a 130 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,000 very basic level that you can have a conversation that makes 131 00:07:59,000 --> 00:07:59,560 impact. 132 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,520 Yeah, absolutely. No, we we learn about carbon monoxide in 133 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,160 classes in schools, we know how to run the devices, but yet, 134 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,520 because there's not specific standards and regulations on it, 135 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,880 it's one of those unchecked and monitored portions of our 136 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,720 industry that has serious consequences when it is not 137 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,920 followed. And so tell me about some of the the projects and 138 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,360 some of the things that you're working on to help bring more 139 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,000 awareness into our industry. 140 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:34,320 Well, one of the important things that we try to convey is 141 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:39,320 as often as we can is that just because there has been success 142 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,640 at the federal level with code requirements becoming 143 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,440 established, especially in the international fire code, which 144 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,960 is followed by many states, though, in order for those 145 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,600 requirements to become effective, they have to be 146 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,800 adopted at the state level. Yes. And that doesn't happen, 147 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,600 unfortunately, across the US. So they're raising it's crazy. And 148 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:02,240 there are many places, either either statewide or within 149 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,080 specific localities in a state that have no detection 150 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,320 requirements whatsoever. And so the people that have fuel 151 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,840 burning equipment in their buildings, they're no one's 152 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,680 giving them information about detection, because no one's 153 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:20,080 required to do it. As that that's a perfect example of how 154 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:25,960 the HVAC industry could be making inroads into having an 155 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,720 impact on education and awareness of the importance of 156 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,120 detection devices, because those those businesses and 157 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,640 homeowners are not going to receive that in any other way. 158 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:36,360 No, they don't know. 159 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,640 And and there's unfortunately, as far as state adoption and 160 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,800 state requirements, there's no easy way to look that 161 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,200 information up. There's there's really no way to determine it 162 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,400 from the yes, from a consumer standpoint, you can't look up, 163 00:09:48,680 --> 00:09:53,000 you know, what's required in your own area very easily. And, 164 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,920 you know, in terms of commercial buildings as well, you know, I 165 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,400 mentioned my parents dying in a hotel, no way to look up which 166 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:06,800 places have detection when you travel and stay places, we 167 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,920 recommend that people travel with their own alarms. So 168 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,840 detection is such an important part of safety, I think, you 169 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,600 know, in the past, maintenance has really been focused on, 170 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,240 which is also important. But you know, there's no replacement 171 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,040 for what detection provides, which is that alert when no 172 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,200 one's even thinking that there's a problem. 173 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,720 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Indeed. So Bob, tell me a little bit 174 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,120 about some quality detectors that you recognize out in the 175 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:33,680 industry. 176 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,520 Oh, oh, well, you know, going with brand names, they're 177 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:43,640 making a kibbutz analyzer, and a technician utilizes one 178 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,000 brand new no matter what the manufacturer is, they're going 179 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,640 to get used to what they're going to get used to. There's a 180 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:55,560 lot of switching of brands that occur by technicians, because of 181 00:10:55,920 --> 00:11:00,040 maintenance costs, because of not understanding sensor 182 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,800 technology, sensors wear out, particularly oxygen sensors, if 183 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,640 a technician is using a combustion analyzer that measures 184 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,760 oxygen, there's, there's just some care. And the point of it 185 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:20,520 also that is to me, a good point is that the more you use it, the 186 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:25,400 more you learn, sure. And you stop learning when you stop 187 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:30,320 measuring in this business, it then it just becomes kind of an 188 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:35,240 educated action without measurement verification. And I 189 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:40,000 think evaluating yourself and evaluating the work that you do 190 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:43,400 is vital. So I think you're going to get used to what you 191 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,320 get used to. There's wireless technology that can, you know, 192 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:52,000 be used to its advantage for, you know, putting furnaces as an 193 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,680 example, in actual operating conditions, because you can test 194 00:11:56,680 --> 00:12:01,280 the furnace with the cabinet closed. And you can take in have 195 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:06,040 be doing the stack analysis or the exhaust analysis remotely 196 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,160 just standing outside or in mechanical room, if it's too 197 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:16,440 tight to work on with the doors closed, you now have wireless 198 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,840 technology. So I'd explore the companies that are, you know, 199 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,160 gone forward with wireless technology. 200 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,000 Yeah, indeed. So we've seen a lot of advancements in 201 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,440 technology. So most of us have the capability of doing very, 202 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,200 very accurate analysis. And it doesn't take long, you know, the 203 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,720 best way is to zero out our detector before we enter into 204 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,760 the structures and take it as part of our normal where you 205 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,800 know, many times, Bob, I see you out in the in the industry 206 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,120 walking around with your personal detector monitoring 207 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,920 places that you are visiting. And a lot of people don't think 208 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,840 about that. But the the world around us is, is almost infested 209 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,040 with carbon monoxide. 210 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,320 Well, you know, I walked into a furniture store not too long ago, 211 00:12:55,320 --> 00:13:01,560 actually, over a year ago, and my detector went off, there was 212 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:06,680 only four or five people in this big furniture barn. And I kind 213 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:10,200 of looked up and there were a couple unit heaters hanging, you 214 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:15,120 know, far into this of these barns. Right. And so one of the 215 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,760 salespeople came up and asked if they could help us. And I said, 216 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,600 Well, I'm looking for a loveseat. But you got, you know, 217 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,640 50 parts per million of carbon monoxide in this building. Yeah. 218 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,480 Oh, is that a problem? Well, you know, here was so we took a 219 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,360 walk and just visually you could see rust coming down off the 220 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,800 the flupi. Yeah, and all of that. And looked at the other 221 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:40,520 one and went and talked to the manager and there was a manager 222 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,640 was up there. He asked him when has this these heaters ever been 223 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,240 serviced. And he said, I've been manager here for over 30 years. 224 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,960 I don't know. No one's ever looked at that crazy. And so, 225 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,520 you know, this perhaps is a common practice. And on the 226 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,200 other note, the new employee had started working there three or 227 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,840 four months earlier. And she started having migraine headaches 228 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,840 that she never had before. And there were no alarms, of course, 229 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:10,400 in the this commercial building. And she, one of the salesmen 230 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,800 said, Oh, is that more of a problem because she's pregnant. 231 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,320 And so, yes, it is. And so there's vulnerable people out 232 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,600 there. And even a UL 2034 alarm does not meet the workplace 233 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,960 standards for exposure to carbon monoxide. If there's a missing 234 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,480 link there, it's every place, even the building we're in as a 235 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:35,160 workplace. So in order to fulfill OSHA requirement, 236 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,720 what's missing is the measurement requirement. Right. 237 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,400 So that really, I think is something that should be 238 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,960 addressed. Also. Yeah, I absolutely agree. 239 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:50,240 I also wanted to mention the value of feedback from the HVAC 240 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,760 community in terms of what's happening out there. I mean, 241 00:14:50,960 --> 00:15:07,400 logos on thenaさい 242 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,040 they see a lot of things in the work that they do, obviously. 243 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:00,480 Yes. And if they, if they think that there are things that 244 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,000 should be addressed in the safety industry, the codes that 245 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,400 currently aren't, we would love to hear about that. I would love 246 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,680 to hear from people that work in this industry about what they 247 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:25,880 the safety industry or to help get attention to a problem that that needs attention. So 248 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:32,880 you know, we have a website, the Jenkins foundation.com, you can email through that foundation, you 249 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:40,260 can email me directly, I would encourage any kind of communication, it's it's it's a safety 250 00:15:40,260 --> 00:15:44,680 net that needs to be out there for people. And it's a two way conversation, everybody 251 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:50,240 has information of value that can help fix some of these problems that are resulting 252 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:55,720 in tragedy. Absolutely have a good friend Ben Reed over at Better HVAC that is really 253 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:03,240 focusing on that exactly. So that same scenario is being able to address scenarios in our 254 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:09,680 industry and help make consumers more aware of the contractors that are doing best practices 255 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,600 and the things that should be getting done that aren't always getting done. So I'll 256 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,240 have to make some connections for you after the conference. Yeah, wonderful, wonderful 257 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:21,000 group of industry professionals that are really focusing on what things need to be done in 258 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:27,160 the industry to elevate our industry and bring more awareness to the things that need some 259 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,040 attention. Great. Excellent. All right, well, I hope you all enjoy the rest of the conference 260 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:35,240 and I appreciate you hanging out with us today and dive a little bit deeper into carbon monoxide 261 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:41,320 safety and the opportunities for educators and technicians and contractors to become 262 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:47,280 HVAC superheroes and potentially save a life. Absolutely. Thank you, Clifton. Thank you.