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Tales from the trenches, stories forged in the fires of experience.

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Physical health and mental health are two characteristics that we typically neglect

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as technicians out providing for our family.

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Make sure you have adequate health insurance and if you need mental health assistance,

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text or call 988.

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Alright, hello everyone, we're hanging out today with Chris Sullivan.

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Chris, how are you doing my friend?

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I'm doing well, how are you?

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I'm doing great.

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You know, we got into a conversation yesterday about all of the topics that we have to cover

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here at the conference and one that we never spend enough time diving into is our own health.

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It is shockingly there's not a class taught about it.

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There's not a skill taught about it.

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And I just hope that by sharing my own story, my experience, that somebody out there listening

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might change something for the better and maybe be around a little bit longer for their

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own loved ones.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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You know, when we're in the field, we tend to work a lot, right?

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We work so hard and we train so hard.

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We're there to do this for our families, for our loved ones.

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Supporting our families.

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And we forget, in essence, to take care of ourselves.

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And that's the irony of it.

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We're working hard to give a good life for people and sometimes forget to try to give

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a good life for ourselves.

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Absolutely.

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Where in if, you know, something, God forbid, should happen to one of us, you know, that

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take us out of a line of work or that type of thing, no one tells us.

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I mean, we have the reps if you're in a union or maybe you're working for a private company

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that's non-union.

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But nobody talks about this enough to have the right health insurance, to have the right

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care, have the right coverage, you know, that type of thing.

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I've seen, unfortunately, I have seen technicians that started their own businesses and, you

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know, got into really having successful businesses and focused on the work because they're just

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work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work, and then have a catastrophe hit and

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then lose everything because they weren't prepared for those potential situations.

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Well, and that's in particular who I want to reach out to is not only small business

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owners, but even if you're a key cog in a multimillion dollar company or a major corporation,

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you're still important.

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You're still important to somebody.

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In fact, I would wager, just think about this for a minute.

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You're the best person that somebody knows.

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You're the best person somebody knows.

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And if you fail to take care of yourself, you're in a way, you're failing to take care

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of them.

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Not saying that we're a failure, just we can't be careful enough in our own health, is what

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I'm trying to say.

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Yeah, we have to be careful not to set us up for that potential failure.

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We don't know.

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We never, we're not guaranteed anything.

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Absolutely.

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And I found that way out in a hard way.

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And so a little over a week ago, I was diagnosed with cancer to no fault of my own.

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And it just happens and it sucks.

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And I wish for everyone out there, this is not a woe is me.

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I will say it publicly, whether you agree with it or not, God, it's good.

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And he's watching, or I feel that as I'm going through this.

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And I just want to say that as I've been through this experience, prepping to go through chemo

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in the next little bit, it's just one of those things you just don't anticipate ever happening.

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I'm 43.

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I was up until September.

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I ran in half marathons, marathons.

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You know, that was my hobby.

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That was my out.

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And you just never know.

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And that's one of the stories I want to tell was when I got injured running on my way out

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of the half marathon, or I was training for it September 9th, I ran on the injury and

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I was stubborn and stupid and did it anyway.

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And us men are a lot like that, right?

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Yeah, we just, I'm struggling with that right now to try and to counter that internal demon

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of myself.

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That constantly reminds me that I still have work to do with that.

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Yeah, and we all do.

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And we're right there with you.

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If you're struggling with mental health, reach out.

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But I'm talking like physical health.

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You know, I was trying to get better and in that process, I injured myself.

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I was running down the canyon at nine and a half minutes a mile and just stepped on

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a rock and stumbled.

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I almost fell just face first, but I caught myself.

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And in that process, if you can imagine me, I'm just failing and I just caught myself

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on the wind down and then ran the half marathon anyway.

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And then it just never got better.

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And so I went in for an MRI and that's when they found the, the, the mass and it's just

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everything's kind of snowballed from there.

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So through no event or fault of your own, you can just encounter these obstacles that

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just feel so unfair.

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And it does, but I'm telling you right now that if you don't have life insurance in place,

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if you don't have proper healthcare coverage in place, these are all things I wish somebody

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would have just maybe just beat over my head and lectured me to death on.

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And unfortunately, about this time where I was going through this running injury, my

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wife changed our insurance.

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She felt prompted to change our insurance to a plan that we could afford.

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And it was a plan that had really, really good coverage if something were to happen

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to me, because if we weren't in the midst of this miracle that we're experiencing right

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now, and I say miracle, I mean, I have cancer, it sucks, you know, and, and I'm here at the

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conference with surrounded by so many amazing people and so many amazing things that I'm

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learning and trying to push forward and push through.

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And many of us go through so many things we just don't tell other people about.

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I'm just hoping that by being vulnerable for a little bit, that somebody out there listening

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to this might change that one aspect that you've like, Hey, I've got to change this.

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Y'all, y'all are so smart with your heating and air conditioning inverter, heat pumps,

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and your, your, your engineers is that and whatever you're dealing with, but take a second

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and step back and take care of your families and take care of your health is just what

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I'm pleading for.

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Because if you can take a step back and just focus on you for a minute as bad as it sucks,

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because if you don't, something will happen and it'll force you to do it anyway.

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And catch you off guard.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And we hear those stories regularly and unfortunately, many of us, especially when we're in our

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twenties, maybe in our early thirties, we don't look at us being injured.

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No, we don't even fathom what that would look like.

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So we don't prepare for it.

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Well, and how can you write things are going good.

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You're working hard, you're working your butt off your, you know, you're kicking butt, taking

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names and then out of the blue.

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I mean, a week and a half ago, week ago, you've, you find out some of the worst news in your

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entire life.

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And that's what happened to me.

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And again, I'm not saying poor me, but I'm just saying is that if somebody can take and

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just change something, maybe get better healthcare coverage, maybe improve life insurance, set

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your family up for success.

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The number one thing I'd off piece of advice I'd offer to anybody is just get out of debt.

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Just get out because we're, we're dealing with some stuff that's unfortunate.

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And I wish they would have taught that somewhere in a trade class.

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Just don't get into that.

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Don't go buy that truck.

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Don't go buy that expensive tool.

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It's I mean, yes, you've got to have tools to provide, but, and don't buy the trailer.

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You don't need, don't buy the equipment.

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You don't need, if something doesn't feel right as off, listen to that.

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You guys know what's going on in your businesses, but take a step back, take care of yourselves,

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take care of your health.

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That matters and has to be so important because you've got families, you've got others.

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And again, I'll say it again.

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You're the best person somebody knows and to, to not have that either a taken care of,

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think of what would happen if it was somebody gone from somebody's life and you're the best

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person they know what that would do to them.

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Maybe, maybe that course of action will help you change something for the better and for

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the positive in your life.

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Absolutely.

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You know, I had a conversation and it was actually, it was a year ago.

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It was at the 2023 National HVACR Education Conference.

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And I was spending some time with my, my good friends, Rob Vilches over at the United Association

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and Brian Kelly.

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And we were talking about the, the UA and some things that the UA does for, for members

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that they don't realize at the time that part of the UA's design is to have many of these

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aspects in play.

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So your insurance, having investments, having things in play in those early years of your

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career that you don't know that you need.

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And due to years of experience, they've realized that that is part of your membership is to

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make sure that you have all those benefits in play because most young technicians, men

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or women don't focus on it.

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Traditionally, women focus on it more than men do.

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But in that early stages in life, both men and women are ill-prepared because we don't

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think of those potential outcomes.

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And so the UA focuses on doing that.

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And I had so much respect when we, when we started talking about that, when we started

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looking at what union dues do, my father actually retired as a, as an operator, a heavy machinery

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operator, and I got to witness what those benefits did for him later in life.

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But I can only fathom, you know, earlier in life, how much that could be a benefit.

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I myself went non-union in my career, and it wasn't until I was in my thirties and realized,

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oh man, I missed, I missed so many.

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There's a lot of things I really wish I would have done better.

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And then I realized that, you know, part of that is that in that age, we just aren't wired.

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Our brains have not matured to the point of being prepared for those scenarios.

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And it is, it's a very important thing to be aware of.

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Absolutely.

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And for the young guys that are considering what to do, the union is a terrific option.

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I wish I would have chosen this many years ago.

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I've worked in the private sector my whole life.

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And so 20 years experience in the, in the residential heating and air conditioning world

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is where I reside.

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And so we work in Utah where it's a right to work state.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And so not that there is not unions there, I could have been a part of it, but looking

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back, I mean, that would change things significantly for me now.

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Fortunately, we have decent enough healthcare coverage.

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Fortunately, we have, you know, there are things that are not going to be without their

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challenges.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But even if you work privately, there are options available to you that maybe, maybe

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just ask for advice and not that that's one thing I don't get with guys in particular.

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We're so stubborn.

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What?

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I'm not gonna let my wife hear this.

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She's not gonna let her me agree that I'm stubborn.

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Well, my wife already knows that there's things we can't say on here that she calls me.

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But, but don't be afraid to ask, you know, because there are somewhere just like somebody

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ask you to go in and fix their equipment or repair just like you're an expert there.

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There are experts around that are just wanting and willing to help.

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And don't take that for granted.

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You know, ask maybe a little bit earlier.

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Yeah, I absolutely agree.

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There is a difficult thing in vulnerability, and it's called pride.

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And I have had to have many moments where I have to set that aside and just say, it's

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out of my control.

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You know, and this has been one of those moments, you know, where I've got four kids, my oldest

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is married, and my youngest is 13.

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And so we decided to have kids early on in our relationship.

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And so, and then now looking at this, I'm just as you're staring death right in the

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face that changes you, changes your perspective.

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And so just, that's what I'm trying to say is take care of yourselves, guys.

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You're worth it.

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You know, somebody out there thinks you are and you are, and somebody believes in you.

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Somebody took a risk and hired you.

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That's got to be worth something.

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Take care of that.

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Take care of you and please just watch out for these types of things.

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And so I'd say is look at your mortgage.

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There's something called mortgage insurance where if you have an accident, I wish I'd

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known about this, you know, and rendered you unable to work, they'll pay off your mortgage

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if you get a terminal illness or something like that.

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And so there are just so many things where we're looking back, make sure you have the

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right amount of life and life insurance coverage.

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And you just don't think about that.

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But get with someone that knows what they're talking about.

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Research the plans, know what you're saying yes to know what you're saying no to become

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educated.

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You don't have to become an expert.

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Leave that to the experts.

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You're the expert in your field, whether it's some, some type of trade work, et cetera,

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et cetera.

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The one who I'm particularly talking about is a trade skilled tradesman who need to be

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around for their families that they're providing for.

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So life insurance and then make sure that your medical coverage is where it needs to

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And so just review that you don't have to be top of mind.

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And I'm not saying feel it full worry, but just be cognizant of it every now and again.

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And just if you know, one of the things running that did for me is I'm a hundred pounds down

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from where I used to be.

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Wow.

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Congratulations.

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Thank you.

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And it's, and, and I still remember when I couldn't, when I decided to make that change,

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I really just very angry with myself and I just dumped the soda and four years later,

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I haven't touched soda.

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Yeah, that's a big one.

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And so, and be where I, when I began running, I couldn't even walk a half mile.

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Just couldn't just things weren't working right.

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And there are many, many, many times I've had COVID four times I've recovered from a

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traumatic brain injury.

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There just been so many obstacles and towns along the way where if you don't feel like

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it's worth going on, it is not going to be easy.

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You know, everybody's got their stuff they've got to deal with.

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They all got baggage.

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Every single one of us.

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And if you're saying you're don't, you're lying.

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There, I mean, there's, there's, there's something somewhere.

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Take care of it before it becomes an issue.

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Absolutely.

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Because like I say, you're the best person somebody knows might be your kids.

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It might be the neighbor that's watching you that you don't even know about.

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But you mean something to somebody.

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And that's important.

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So stay around, stay healthy.

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Watch the for those things in life.

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If you don't know how to balance a checkbook, learn, you know, watch your money, be wise

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with it, get just may I get the hell out of that, you know, avoid it like the plague.

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Because we have some debt, but we had been working on the process for a little bit to

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improve our finances.

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And nobody's really born with a silver spoon and trades, right?

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We're all just hard working guys and gals that are just trying to make make make a better

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improvement for our lives and for somebody but if you can ensure that you're taking care

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of yourself, man, you can you can live a long healthy life.

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And even if it's fraught with challenges, okay, you have challenges.

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But people care.

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And that's the message that I wanted to deploy today.

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Absolutely.

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I really appreciate it.

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Chris Sullivan.

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Thank you.

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It's been a pleasure to meet you.

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Yeah, you too.

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And thanks for the time that I'd love to.

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I love the show.

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So we're glad to have you out when I seen you.

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So thank you so much.

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Thank you so much.

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Love it.

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Well, thank you.

