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Soften your senses, ways to become a better speaker, listener and follower.

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This episode brought to you by Jefferson College and their From Tutu's to Tool Belts initiative.

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Learn more at jeffco.edu.

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Hello everyone, thank you for joining us.

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I am hanging out with Kati Donahue.

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How are you doing?

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Doing well, thank you.

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So we have been in the educational realm for quite a few years.

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We used to be on the show all the time with us.

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We were at Johnstone learning how to be better educators, how to just do well with the tools

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we have available with us.

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And you've been taking that to a next level.

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Trying to take that level to the students who don't have the opportunity to maybe experience

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it in their day to day life or don't have that person in their life that they can experience

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that with.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So I was really interested in learning about like growing up.

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There were a lot of things around me that I was never introduced to.

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I mean, even growing up in a home with a furnace and air conditioning, I didn't know anything

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about them.

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My dad was, he would work on some things, but he wasn't really, really mechanical.

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And so there were a lot of things we just don't always get exposed to.

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And so when you got into education, you recognize an opportunity to bring the skill sets that

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you've learned and the trades that you have developed into and expose that to people who

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might never encounter that on their own.

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And so tell me a little bit about this initiative, because I'll tell you, it's been a pretty

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big buzz here at the conference this year.

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So the initiative probably really came from my own personal experience.

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My father is a plumber by trade.

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And so I learned a lot of hands on aspects with him.

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And so as I progressed and got introduced to HVAC, whenever I was a sophomore in high

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school, it was a lot of support from my parents.

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It was a lot of pushback.

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They didn't look at it as a, oh, that's a man's career because I had done plumbing with my

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father.

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Sure.

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So the idea of introducing this trade to women in HVAC at a younger age, the fifth through

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eighth grade range is something that I felt was very important and vital to get them interested

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in the trade because if you wait till they get older, they have that career path that

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they think they want to do or they have friends who want to do something and say, oh, well,

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I'll do that with you because maybe they are not sure as to what they want to do.

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Yes.

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And I'm not a sit behind a desk kind of person.

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I am a hands on, get out in the field.

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I don't like having someone checking up on me, so to speak.

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So I liked the going out and you never know what you're going to experience.

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You never know.

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Every job is the same, but it is so different.

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I love that opportunity and that aspect of the job.

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And then I took it back to trying to give the opportunity to girls to be exposed to

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something that they're not normally exposed to.

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Okay.

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So tell me about the name of the program and how it works because I've actually seen some

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photos on social media and I went, is that a little girl with a torch in her hand?

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So the name of the program is from Tutu's to Toolbelts.

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And the idea is that girls dance and they wear a tutu and as they grow up, they have

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changed that tutu out for a tool belt, which I did dance whenever I was a young girl.

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So it kind of fit my story as well.

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I didn't really wear a tutu, like I didn't wear tutus, but I've danced.

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So that's where the name came from.

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And it's a visual thing.

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So girls, whenever they hear the name of it, it kind of gives a visual thing of like, oh,

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as opposed to just.

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Wow.

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So tutu represents something.

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Yes.

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It represents what you wear as a child and you grow up.

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And so you change that tutu out for a tool belt.

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It's not saying that you can't still wear a tutu and be early.

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It's just another option that you now have a career, a vocation that you can pursue that

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is going to provide some stability in your life and food on the table.

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Oh my goodness.

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Okay.

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So how long have we been in this program?

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How many are getting involved?

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And tell me about some of the things that you do in this program.

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So whenever I first did this, I think it was summer of 2022 is whenever I did it.

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And the whole idea was I was just going to introduce it to the faculty and staff on campus

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where I work.

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Just kind of get an idea as to what the interest would be.

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And it filled up very, very quickly.

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Within like four hours, I was booked and I was only wanting to do 12 girls in a session

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because I wanted to keep safety a huge.

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Oh yeah, yeah, definitely.

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Aspect of it, especially with the age.

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They don't go through the traditional safety that our students go through.

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So I need to make sure that they were protected.

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So it filled up very quickly to the point where I was like, I'm going to open up another

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section for the following weekend.

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So we had about 24 girls come through in that first go around, if you will.

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They brazed, they fabricate sheet metal, they learned how to do snips and they use nips

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and hole cutters and they wire up a very basic electrical circuit that has some limit switches

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in it and they wire up a light bulb.

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So they actually go through stripping the wire and putting on spade connectors and then

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the whole, this is a switch, it's open, it's closed, this is a load and that a little bit

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of education to go along with it.

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So that way they realize whenever my mom tells me to go turn on the light, I'm actually closing

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that switch and I'm allowing that path for electrons to flow.

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You gotta be kidding.

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So I'm fifth to eighth grade.

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Yes.

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So it was a huge thing.

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I actually just did two sessions, I guess four sessions on the this a week ago.

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And I had 58 girls sign up for it.

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You've got to be kidding.

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So there's a significant interest.

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There's a huge interest in it.

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And it's fabulous because we have local industry that is coming in and helping me because the

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first two sessions I did, it was me and my adjuncts trying to figure out what the, what

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the hell are we doing?

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Yeah, yeah.

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So I have our sheet metal union and our local pipe fitters are in there.

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Amrin, our utility, some of our utilities are sponsoring us a local, a couple of local

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businesses are coming in and they are the ones who are running the sessions for me,

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which takes a huge stress load off of me and it makes it easier for me to do it.

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So, yeah, I mean, I hear that I go, I want to be a part of that.

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I mean, just think of the initiatives that can come out of that.

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You're 100% right.

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Even if you're just introducing these fundamentals, because we, we don't take it.

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And a lot of people are like, oh, he's going to talk about home ec.

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Yeah, I want to talk about home economics.

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We don't teach fundamentals.

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We don't teach how to operate a checkbook.

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We don't teach how to.

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If we could just teach someone that there is a filter in their house that cleans their

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air, that needs regular maintenance and it's part of home ownership.

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If we can start teaching how electricity works in a house and what's going on, even if they

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don't adopt it as a career, just think about like understanding that as an adult without

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having to learn it as an adult.

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That's something I tell the girls and my own students.

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I'm like, guys, even if you just take this class and you never pursue it as a career,

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your home has an HVAC system, your parents, your siblings, your cousins, your aunts, you'll

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be the most popular relative in your family because they are looking to you for your expertise

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and guidance as to, Hey, this is what is going on.

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What do you recommend I do?

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Is it something as simple as changing out a filter dryer is my condensate drain dry.

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And that's why I've got water leaking all over the place.

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So just, just basic stuff.

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So just trying to give them those tools is something I don't, I don't plan on changing

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the world with this, but it's one of those, if I can get one or two girls over the next

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few years to say, Hey, I was at this event and it was really cool.

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And that's why I'm coming into this.

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That's a success for me.

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Well, you know, we have at this, at this point in our industry, we were at a beautiful place

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where people are finally starting to remove old stigmas and remove old barriers.

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And we have a, we have new generations, new demographics of people coming into our industry

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that are going, Oh my gosh, we're being accepted into an industry that at one point didn't

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really encourage that.

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And so now we have so many women coming into the industry.

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And I'm telling you, there's some guys that are getting very intimidated because a woman

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is very meticulous with things that men sometimes are not with.

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They're in general.

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Now I am kind of generalizing, but many, many women, ladies are very analytical.

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Right.

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And I think that's a great success in opening up our industry to women and young ladies

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to look at and go, you know what?

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Here are some other jobs that you may have never been introduced to before that you might

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be incredibly successful at that you have an unlimited amount of freedom in that you

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can really make as much money as you could want to.

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Yes.

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And so I'm very excited about that.

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I don't know that in the history of our industry, we've ever been at a point that we've been

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more accepting for change than we are right now because so many aspects of our industry

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is changing and I like it.

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It's definitely a career that you don't get bored in because there's always something

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changing and like I tell the tours that come through the school, it's like there is a job

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in HVAC for every single person.

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Yes.

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You just have to find that niche that fits you.

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It's not all about toning tool bags or working outside in the sun and the heat.

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Like we have engineers, we have tool design.

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There's so many different aspects that you can go into sales.

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Market ownership.

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There you go.

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Yeah, distribution and manufacturing.

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And we don't teach any of that.

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We just teach the maintenance aspect in the house and the installation of the equipment

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because that's what's been done.

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And it's a lot of it's always been.

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This way it's always been because no one's ever challenged the norm.

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And now that we challenge the norm, we go, well, why were we doing that?

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And no one has an answer.

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Nope.

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But yeah, there's a job in HVAC for everyone.

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You just have to find your niche that fits you.

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Oh my gosh.

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But yeah.

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All right.

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So how often are you meeting?

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So we did the two sessions in 2022, the summer, and then I did one in the fall.

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I had a Girl Scout troop contact me and it was just for their troops specifically that

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I did it.

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But I got sick in the first part of 2023.

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So I was out for like a year.

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So this is these four sessions I did two weeks ago or weeks ago back into the was the first

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one back.

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So I actually have been reached out and contacted by a Girl Scout troop like, hey, can we do

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this for you?

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And I'm like, I'm looking at my contractors like, what can you guys do?

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And with our cooling season coming up, they're kind of like, well, we're not quite sure.

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So I had hosted them initially on the weekend because that works for the school.

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Because I am using my lab space for that.

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And as an instructor, I what do I do with my students?

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And I've got so it just it worked out on the weekend.

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And then I was like, well, hey, it's spring break.

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I can use that time period where my students are off campus to introduce the facilities

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exactly not have to try to shuffle and schedule things around it.

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So that's kind of what I struggle with is I don't want to take time away from my program.

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Yeah, from my program.

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But I also don't want to take time away from my contractors who are then taking time away

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from their family.

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So trying to find that that balance that works for everybody is a challenge.

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So I'm seeing a lot of industry support out here.

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I'm hearing ears right now opening up going, I think I'm interested in that.

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So what how let's talk about ways that the industry can encourage this and participate

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and how they can connect if they'd like to learn more.

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So there's always people who are looking to participate or it is is a contractor.

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It's more of a financial or a donation of time.

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As opposed to showing up and just being a participant of it.

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And that's probably one of the biggest benefit or biggest obstacles, but also one of the

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biggest aspects that help me because if they don't show up to say, hey, I want to do a

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sheet metal session or I want to do something with piping or black iron, that's on me to

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fill that space for the girls as they go through there.

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So having that donation of time is really a huge benefit for people or benefit for me

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as we do this program.

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Absolutely.

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So have you explored any opportunities with like explore the trades or some of the other

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organizations that are starting to focus on some of our younger students and introducing

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them into the trades?

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I have not really.

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There's a Tierra, which is a Tierra trade thing that's out there that they're introducing

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younger girls to.

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I don't remember.

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Do you know?

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Okay.

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No, I don't.

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So there's there's a couple that I have looked at online, but I really haven't reached out

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to contact them.

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Bring back the trades.

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I've talked with Steve a few times, but again, he's more geared towards like college age.

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Definitely the older one, but you still have to reach out to the kids.

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You can't just ignore the older demographic.

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So no, I absolutely love this.

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So for those that are listening that have heard that bell ring and would like to be

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more involved, I highly encourage you to explore that opportunity and to rethink about ways

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that we can introduce our trade into different generations and different demographics.

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And I think it's a wonderful, wonderful thing you're doing.

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Thank you.

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It's it's definitely been an enjoyable experience.

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And the feedback I'm getting from the girls and the moms has been really great.

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And probably one really, really common question I get is how much longer are you going to

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do this?

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Or when are you going to stop?

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I will stop whenever my classes stop filling up.

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Whenever the demand stops, then I'll stop.

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But until then, I'm going to keep giving those girls the opportunity.

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Absolutely.

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I respect that.

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All right, Katie, thank you so much for joining me today.

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Thank you for having me.

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Enjoy the rest of the conference.

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I'm looking forward to it.

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All right.

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Thank you.