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Welcome to the future, technologies and innovations that sculpt our industry.

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This episode brought to you by zSpace, deliver immersive and interactive learning experiences

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for tomorrow's workforce today.

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Learn more at zspace.com.

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All right everyone, thank you for joining us once again.

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We are on day two of the National HVACR Education Conference.

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We're hanging out with Nikki Lester from zSpace.

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How are you doing?

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I am well, thank you very much.

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So we have spent so much time talking about innovations and transitions in the industry

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and zSpace is right at the forefront of introducing technology into the classrooms.

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And for some of us, introducing technology can be a little intimidating.

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You know, we grew up with learning some technology, but not with the technology that we have today.

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No, no, our students are actually now living in smart homes, right?

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So it's very different than we grew up with our lock and key.

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So they're surrounded with technology, they carry a plethora of tools in their hand at

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all times, they're tied to technology.

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And technology is coming to our industry in some very important ways.

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When we talk about training, particularly in our younger students, like if we're in the

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K through 12 environments, we actually have limitations.

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It would be a really fun thing to go into a middle school and go, all right, boys and

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girls, I'm getting a torch and we're going to burn something.

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Anyone interested?

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You're probably going to get quite a few that want to see what's going on.

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But in reality, we can't do that.

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Correct.

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We have tools that can allow us to get involved and be embedded into that in new ways, new

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ways of visualizing using things like augmented reality and even AI coming into the mix now.

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That is correct.

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So let's talk about that because there's probably educators that are listening that don't even

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know what we're talking about.

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And for me, it was an interesting introduction into what zSpace is doing.

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You're in so many different fields and HVAC is now coming into that spectrum.

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So you have years of experience in developing this technology for a variety of curriculums.

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And now it's coming into our space.

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So let's talk about zSpace in our space.

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zSpace in our space.

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That's fun.

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That might be the podcast name for this episode everyone.

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That's right.

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So well, just to let everybody know, if they don't know what zSpace is, it is an augmented

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virtual reality hardware software platform for training from kindergarten all the way

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through industry.

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And right now, so it's basically an experience in the laptop.

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And then you have things that you can explode and dissect and do it over and over again

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and remove that danger.

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And so one of the things I really tell people when they're looking at zSpace or the why

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of zSpace, there's a really important concept and I go with the dice.

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And that is we help to remove the danger.

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We make the impossible possible because now you can see electricity flow, you can see

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refrigeration, you can see all these things that were abstract.

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That's correct.

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When we talk about our consumables and the counter-productiveness, we can either have

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longevity over our consumables or we need less of them because we can experience some

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of these things in this reality.

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And then the expense.

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We have a technology, there is an expense that's incurred.

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But when you levy that out with everything that's going on in education and what you

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can offer, literally it balances out for some of those costs.

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And it's a media that our younger students probably prefer.

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Absolutely.

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So where we find the gaming, and I know not everybody enjoys that term, but literally

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students are living in these different worlds with this augmented virtual reality and they're

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thriving in it.

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And what we find from obviously the technology goes faster than what the data and the research

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can show us.

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So we now have the research and data to show where cognitively these worlds they're living

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in are actually landing, right?

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And how it is influencing and helping education.

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And a lot of these trainers, not just mine, but a lot of these experiences are offering

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the capabilities for students to learn three to four times faster than traditional educational

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methods.

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So that's where the research is.

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And then you flip the script and now you can, just like you said, you can offer things at

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all different levels.

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Whereas I may not want even some of my high school kids, unfortunately, to have a torch.

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Yeah, right.

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We different levels and it's per student, right?

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So you know when the student is ready a lot of times, especially as, yeah, parents, teachers,

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those types of things.

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So we're not saying that all students can have those different ways.

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But what about students that don't get those experiences or don't have the extra people

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around to help them?

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You can bring in a platform to a student even as low as kindergarten.

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And when we talk about aptitudes and interest, right, we know in education, we have all the

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academic data we can throw up on, right?

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We collect it from the time that they're born.

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But what we're starting to see and what businesses have done for years is they also collect that

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aptitude and interest, right?

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Build teams, they do things and they're more successful.

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So if you take that approach with younger students, career readiness, right?

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That's part of the conversation is for them to go out and explore.

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And as you gather aptitude and interest, they ask questions such as, do you like to build

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cabinets?

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Do you like, well, how does a student know?

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Yeah, they don't know what that even looks like.

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There's no context, right?

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And unless you can put them in a shop or something to give them that experience to have that

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context, there is none.

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So now we go ask questions where there's no context.

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So how do they, how does that then give relevant data?

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So if you can bring an experience or a platform or a situation, whatever the case you want

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to call it down to the student, right, to the student level of whatever grade or level

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that they're at and give them some of those real practical experiences almost because

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what we do is almost the practical.

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It's almost lifelike.

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It's pretty young.

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It's lifelike.

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It is telling the brain in a sense, it is almost that practical experience.

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Next best thing.

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So if you can bring those types of experiences down to whatever age you want to start to

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open up that door for students, then you can start to gravitate and get more of their

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aptitude and interest, I think on a more relevant basis because now they have context.

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So we can take down an engine.

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We can have them disassemble that engine.

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We can have them do some welding.

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We can have them do all the dissections or learn about all of the different types of

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chemistry or biology or lots of different things.

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So ZSpace right now covers 12 of the 16 national career clusters in something of experience

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wise for students.

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Yeah, and I've really seen that developing significantly in our industry.

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And as an educator, I know personally, it's difficult to take an item and say inside of

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this, this is what is going on.

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So I don't function like that.

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I'm a hands on.

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I need to be able to see what it is, move it around a little bit and be able to get

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a picture of it from a multiple dimension.

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I'm not real great with just pictures.

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I need to be able to see how something functions.

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And so in my classes, I would just simply take that part and I would spend hours cutting

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it open and cleaning up the cut edges so that no one slices their fingers on my solzol shell

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of a filter dryer or a compressor or whatever it is, and then try to keep things organized

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to the point.

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So I like with the filter dryer so that the distant beads are not just rolling around

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on the table when I set it down.

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Trying to keep things contained to where it actually looks as close as what it should

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to how it started before I tore it apart and then be able to say, okay, now this is how

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each of these things work.

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So some components we can successfully do that, but many of them we can't, especially

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when we add things like fluids and when we have air movement, when we have other properties

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that we just can't duplicate.

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Well, we can with technology.

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Yes, we can.

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And that's the interesting thing that we just don't put into understanding until you see

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it.

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And then you go, oh my gosh, that's what I'm trying to say right there.

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So I'm a prior diesel mechanic many, many, many, many, many, many moons ago.

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That was one of my first careers.

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I've had many.

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So when you talk about those abstract concepts, gear rotation, fluid flow, electricity, right,

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things that you couldn't visualize, they now can be very visual, right?

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You can actually see how the fluid is flowing through as the gears are rotating.

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You can see how the pressurization for refrigeration is coming through.

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And what does that what's that look like?

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And there's no risk of escaping into our environment.

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So again, all of the danger, whether it's to the student or to the environment, all

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of these things are possible now within these environments from these platforms.

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And I have seen so many different organizations, especially non for profit organizations coming

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to the forefront going, hey, we want to get education and awareness into our younger students

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to build, at least show them that there are different paths and to show them that there

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are things in their world that they might be interested on working on someday.

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But boy, you better be on your game to catch their attention.

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And this is a great way to do that.

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It's that introductory to, hey, if you just want to take a peek at how, you know, how

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things can be, let me show you, or if you're already involved with this and you want to

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dive really deep and get advanced into this, we can actually continue.

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You can actually start from the thousand foot view and then work all the way into the interior

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of that component.

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We actually have some of our platforms even at medical schools.

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So I can believe it.

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You know, up, up towards the top.

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But going back to your comment about AI, when we talk about our younger generation, right,

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we now are offering a career readiness solution, which is new, and it has an AI component to

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And so we call it a career coach.

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And it is with the thought process of what we talked about before, being able to bring

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that platform down to our younger students.

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But who's driving the bus?

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Yeah, where's the teacher in this?

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And so, you know, I'm a prior career and tech ed director, administrator, and those types

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of things.

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I've lived and grown up in this world.

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We don't see those types of teachers down at the elementary school normally.

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So how do they get those conversations?

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By having this career coach that's driven by AI.

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It has guardrails.

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So it doesn't allow the students to do just anything.

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It is based on a large language model.

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So it has been given all of the federal websites, those types of things for students to go out

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and really do some of that career exploration and help along the side.

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So if a student has a question, they can open up the AI career coach, ask the question,

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and it is set on that career basis.

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Whereas, like I said, your elementary teachers are not necessarily vested in the career exploration.

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Sure, they may not be introduced themselves.

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That's right.

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And even their counselors, you know, to be fair, they're more of the social emotional

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versus the workforce.

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We're starting to see different variations of counseling and things like that at different

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levels to incorporate more of the career and workforce awareness, right, that final output

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for our students.

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But at the elementary level, they still need their, you know, they need their social, emotional,

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and they need all of those things that they have.

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So how can you bring that?

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And we feel as though having that career coach on the side is a great way to help drive that

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process.

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You know, you always have an adult in the room.

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But if you don't have the subject matter expert, those students can still do some awareness

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from those subject matter areas.

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Yeah, so important, especially as we continue with our population explosion, you know, in

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the availability of that student to teacher ratio that is now continually changing, it's

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tough to have enough time to invest in everyone that has an interest in things.

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And so now we are starting to introduce more opportunities for that.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, very, very, very cool stuff.

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All right.

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And so is that how soon is that when is that going to be rolling out?

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So it's a pilot right now.

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We expect in the next six months or so it will be a live piece that will be driven.

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We have some districts right now that are trying it out for us so that we get nice feedback.

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So we've got, you know, a really nice coming out.

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And so it is it is an additional piece that goes along with a bundling package that we

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have, especially for our elementary that does a lot of our learning apps.

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So some of the basic science, some of the basic physics, things like that, that they

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can also use not only for career readiness, but also to help supplement some of their

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other areas if they want to include that.

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It's available right within the package.

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So it makes it a pretty cool tool to be able to help serve some of their STEM, STEAM side

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Also, as well as the career awareness.

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Nice.

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And so as an educator, if I'm interested in learning more about what's happening in the

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Z space space, where am I going to begin my journey?

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So I always tell people zspace.com is a great place to go to.

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We have a really wonderful website.

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You can find out all the different types of software packages that we do have.

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I mentioned 12 of the 16 national career clusters we cover from kindergarten all the way up

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through industry.

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We have a newer platform called Inspire.

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So it is a laptop.

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It can also be used as your eSports machine if needed.

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So again, a multi purpose machine, right?

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Kind of a computer on steroids.

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So it's awesome.

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And when it's not zspace, you find you've got a regular Windows 11, you see that can

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be used also, right?

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So zspace.com is where I tell people to go.

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If you're looking, you can always go out there.

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You can request a demo.

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We then hop on a call, we have a blended and remote solution as well.

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So that's important to know.

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And then from there, we go ahead and we bring the equipment on site so that your stakeholders,

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everybody, right, your kids, your administrators, your board members, your teachers, right,

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because we need champions to help run the bus.

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But you also need those people at the top who can help support with writing.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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You got to prove it to somebody.

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So zspace.com is a great, great place to stop.

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You'll be able to find out all the information about the products.

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I always tell my teachers, go out there, go under your product tab, go under applications.

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And there's little icons that are out there.

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And those are all indicative of all the different software that we can run on our platform.

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And you can run one software package or you can run them all.

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But the point is, is going out there and finding out and clicking on those icons for the software,

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it will give you a plethora of information on that specific software.

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So I kind of call it my teachers homework, right?

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If you want really great conversations when we come in, do a little bit of that homework.

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You have a great way of identifying what software you probably need.

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And then we have really great conversations to continue that movement when we come in.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Sounds like it.

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All right.

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And you have a space here at the conference?

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We do.

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We do 1007.

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So we're over on the side of the wall.

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Please come check us out.

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Definitely do.

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All right.

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Well, thanks, everyone, for joining us and we'll see you on the next episode.

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Thank you.