1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,840 Welcome to the future, technologies and innovations that sculpt our industry. 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:14,440 This episode brought to you by Johnson Controls and their redesigned residential HVAC portfolio 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,640 utilizing R454B. 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:22,880 Learn more at johnsoncontrols.com. 5 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:23,880 All right, everyone. 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,280 Thank you so much for joining Did You Know? 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,060 The ESCO HVAC Podcast. 8 00:00:28,060 --> 00:00:32,400 So today we're spending some time with David Budzinski, the president of global products 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:33,400 at Johnson Controls. 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:34,400 How are you doing, sir? 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:35,400 I'm very good. 12 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:36,400 Thank you. 13 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:37,400 How are you? 14 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:38,400 I'm doing very well. 15 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:44,140 We're very excited to talk to our OEMs about the transitions that we're seeing in equipment. 16 00:00:44,140 --> 00:00:48,080 So by now, hopefully everyone is familiar with the technology transition as well as 17 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,080 our refrigerant transitions. 18 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,600 So we're going to see a variety of new things in our product lines. 19 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:57,720 And so we're here to spend some time talking about new product lines from Johnson Controls. 20 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:04,320 So when we start talking about the A2L transition, could you give us some specific features or 21 00:01:04,320 --> 00:01:08,780 enhancements about the new product lines and how we're going to see different efficiencies 22 00:01:08,780 --> 00:01:12,000 and serviceability in new equipment? 23 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,280 Of course. 24 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:18,860 So I want to talk a little bit about some of the new portfolios that we have recently 25 00:01:18,860 --> 00:01:23,600 launched and are going to continue to be launching here through the rest of the calendar year 26 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,320 in 2024. 27 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:33,480 So specifically in our residential HVAC portfolio, we've spent a lot of time in the last multiple 28 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:38,960 years refreshing our portfolio based on new regulation changes. 29 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:46,880 So if you look at the transition we did in 2023 with the DOE specific, we really raised 30 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:52,740 our energy efficiency standards to essentially the C02 rating for the North America markets. 31 00:01:52,740 --> 00:02:01,880 As we head into 2024 and up to 2025, we're obviously focusing on really two types of 32 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,420 portfolio refreshes. 33 00:02:04,420 --> 00:02:08,960 One is largely on the move to a low GWP refrigerant. 34 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:15,400 So Johnson Controls has selected our 454B as our new refrigerant for our residential and 35 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,640 light commercial HVAC portfolio. 36 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:23,960 And simultaneously, we're also taking the opportunity to really focus on not just the 37 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:30,680 transition to new logic GWP refrigerants, but also focusing on feature enhancements 38 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,840 that really help our contractors. 39 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,680 We've gotten a lot of feedback and done a significant amount of voice of customer relative 40 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:42,980 to things that not only improve the performance of the unit for homeowners, relative to things 41 00:02:42,980 --> 00:02:49,120 like improving the energy efficiency in their homes and lowering their electric utility 42 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,840 bills, but also things that are important for our contractor base around serviceability 43 00:02:53,840 --> 00:03:00,040 of the units and most importantly, on decreasing the amount of time it takes for the units 44 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,520 to be installed. 45 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:09,640 So things like placement of where the valves are located to call it charging and charging 46 00:03:09,640 --> 00:03:14,760 specifics around the amount of charge in the unit that help essentially get our contractors 47 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:21,640 in and out in a much faster and more efficient way so that they can complete more installs 48 00:03:21,640 --> 00:03:26,960 in one day than they have with some of our previous generation product or some of the 49 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,820 product of our competitors. 50 00:03:28,820 --> 00:03:33,040 So we've done a significant amount of tear down analysis between our units and those 51 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:37,960 of our peers in the industry so that we could really understand what's most important for 52 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:44,560 our contractors and what's most important for our end users and we've incorporated tens 53 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:50,200 and twenties of different types of features and things in each of the models that are 54 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,640 coming out in our new generation products that we know are going to be very, very much 55 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,080 welcome for our contractors and consumers alike. 56 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:59,560 Yeah, absolutely. 57 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:05,520 We're going to move into an age of new generations of technologies. 58 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,360 As the technological advancement of our age advances, it's inevitable that we're going 59 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,560 to see more advanced technologies in our equipment and I love it. 60 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,520 I'm a controls and automations guy so I think it's fantastic that we're starting to get 61 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:22,900 a little bit more advanced in our residential sector as we should and so we're very grateful 62 00:04:22,900 --> 00:04:25,280 that Johnson Controls is doing this. 63 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:29,400 When we look at refrigerants, we're primarily going to see two refrigerants in the residential 64 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:34,440 and light commercial sector, R32 and R454B. 65 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:39,160 Do you know, were there some determining factors for Johnson Controls going with R454B over 66 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,800 R32? 67 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,120 So we're actually going to use both. 68 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:53,520 So we're using R454B in our residential ducted portfolio and we're using R32 in our ductless 69 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,440 portfolio. 70 00:04:55,440 --> 00:05:01,280 And the reason we chose R454B in our residential ducted and light commercial ducted portfolio, 71 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:04,720 I should say, was really because there's a couple of reasons. 72 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:13,640 One is it had a lower GWP number and so as we work really closely with the EPA and what 73 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:20,600 the next lowering threshold will be for greenhouse gases, we wanted to stay ahead of the game 74 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:26,760 and we wanted to make sure that when contractors and homeowners were putting in our new generation 75 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:33,400 portfolio, that as well as our distributors, frankly, that there's a healthy level of inventory 76 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:39,280 and product going out to the consumers that essentially would be ahead of the game if 77 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:43,040 and when I should say the EPA takes their next step down. 78 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:49,440 So very, very important for us to really be ahead and make sure that we have a sustainable 79 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:54,640 path, not just for the environment, but for us from a product line perspective as well. 80 00:05:54,640 --> 00:06:00,320 And most of our peer sets have followed that suit relative to choosing 454B. 81 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,760 On the ductless side of the house for North America, we moved to R32. 82 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:10,880 That was largely being driven by most of our Asia-based populations where our peer sets 83 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,840 that are largely based in Asia have chosen to go to R32. 84 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:21,460 It's a little bit of an easier drop in from our 410A to go to that. 85 00:06:21,460 --> 00:06:25,480 And so we know that there's another change that's going to need to happen. 86 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:31,720 But because of how large our overall installed base is in Asia, as well as how much product 87 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:38,140 we have from the ductless side going to Asia, it was more driven by the market demand to 88 00:06:38,140 --> 00:06:39,800 move to R32. 89 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:45,000 And so we wanted to make sure that we're in line, not just with our installers and contractors 90 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:50,640 overseas outside of the domestic United States, but also with our distributors and the regulatory 91 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,940 bodies outside of North America. 92 00:06:52,940 --> 00:06:56,720 So that's the reason we went to R32 for the ductless portfolio. 93 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,560 And we chose to go to R454B for the North America portfolio. 94 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,400 No, I appreciate you explaining that. 95 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,040 It makes a lot of sense. 96 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:10,120 And when we start talking about both refrigerants, R32 and R454B, those are both A2L classified 97 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:11,200 refrigerants. 98 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:17,840 And we spent a lot of time here at Esco talking about the different ASHRAE flammability classifications. 99 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,720 And A2L really doesn't have much flammability to it. 100 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:26,120 A lot of people don't realize that even R410A and all refrigerants have a flammability to 101 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:27,120 it. 102 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:32,840 Just so significantly low that we didn't utilize any type of refrigerant leak detection in 103 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,920 the past for A1s. 104 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,280 But industry-wide, we're going to start utilizing some refrigerant leak detection. 105 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:44,840 And it really kind of comes down to the installation, the design, and the refrigerant charge. 106 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:49,520 So some systems are going to see some refrigerant leak detection. 107 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,600 And can you tell us a little bit about what we're going to see? 108 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,940 What kind of product lines will we be utilizing that in? 109 00:07:57,940 --> 00:08:03,720 So I think it's important to understand that A2Ls are mildly flammable. 110 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,160 They're not necessarily... 111 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:14,000 There's a bit of an education that still needs to happen relative to understanding the flammability 112 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,840 itself of these types of A2Ls. 113 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,480 And also as well as when we move to naturals. 114 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:25,520 So I think there's a transition that's going to be happening here over the next decade, 115 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:30,660 I would say, as we continue to advance as an industry here. 116 00:08:30,660 --> 00:08:36,620 And so we are going to start to see, obviously, safety precautions on the units themselves 117 00:08:36,620 --> 00:08:40,040 relative to the leak detection sensors that we have. 118 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:45,880 All of our new generation product line has the leak detection sensing both in our ducted 119 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,840 as well as ductless technologies. 120 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,760 So all of that's going to be already installed within the unit itself. 121 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:59,480 And so I think it gives consumers essentially a sense of comfort to know that if there is 122 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:04,240 a leak, it will be detected by the sensing technologies that we're embedding within the 123 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,560 mechanical equipment itself. 124 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:11,520 And obviously will generate the necessary shut off precautions to make sure that there's 125 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:18,600 no issue relative to from a safety perspective in the home or the commercial space. 126 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,680 So I think it's very, very important for us. 127 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:27,040 We're also spending a lot of time educating not just our contractor base, but also our 128 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:34,280 distributors and to a certain extent our end users on quite the flammability that is there 129 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:39,480 and really how flammable it really is versus is not. 130 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:46,920 So frequently we have quite a bit of demonstrations on the fact that H2Ls are not quite as flammable 131 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,440 as people think they are. 132 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,360 So the word mildly is very important. 133 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:58,520 And so I think it really comes down to still making sure we have the appropriate level 134 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:04,920 of safety precautions in the detection systems, but we're not necessarily over pivoting to 135 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:09,040 something as flammable as per se propane, right? 136 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:10,860 Which is a lot more flammable. 137 00:10:10,860 --> 00:10:16,760 So we're doing that education continuously and all of our new lines have the appropriate 138 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:22,040 amount of detection equipment in it to make sure and integrating that into making sure 139 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,320 the units are safe for contractors and homeowners alike. 140 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:30,960 Yeah, I would say you've actually went above and beyond the expectations. 141 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:37,040 When we start talking about M1 classifications for H2L refrigerants, we're talking around 142 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:43,140 4.1 pounds or so for R454B before we start requiring mitigation. 143 00:10:43,140 --> 00:10:47,320 So the fact that you're going to be implementing those into ductless systems for a product 144 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:53,660 line, that's just showing that you're stepping up that expectation and exceeding what those 145 00:10:53,660 --> 00:10:55,440 industry standards are going to be. 146 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:56,440 So that's really cool. 147 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:57,500 I'm glad to see that. 148 00:10:57,500 --> 00:11:02,520 Some manufacturers have not, and I've been wondering who is going to be able to really 149 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,540 step up that bar and set a new standard across the entire product line. 150 00:11:06,540 --> 00:11:08,700 So thank you very much for doing that. 151 00:11:08,700 --> 00:11:12,200 That's a very important move in the industry and I'm glad to see that. 152 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:13,200 It's a good difference. 153 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,540 I think we're really integrating that with some of our digital technology. 154 00:11:17,540 --> 00:11:22,880 So if you think about in our ductless systems, we have for both our VRF technologies, we 155 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:29,640 have AirCloud Pro, which is our digital connectivity technology that not only helps installers 156 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:34,280 to determine the right amount of refrigerant charge, but make sure that the installation 157 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,580 is up to speed. 158 00:11:35,580 --> 00:11:40,240 We're integrating that sensing technologies into that digital platform that's helping 159 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,760 our contractors guide them through our new generation, our 32 technologies. 160 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,440 And then we also have our AirCloud Home, which is more consumer based, but that's really 161 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:55,080 more for our ductless rack platforms and making sure that they are up to speed and can control 162 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,080 and do some command and control of the units themselves. 163 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:03,640 So all available in our new generation products, both from a rack pack and our new generation 164 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,180 top flow VRF. 165 00:12:05,180 --> 00:12:07,600 So I'm pretty excited about those coming out. 166 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:12,180 Yeah, that's a lot of really good technology into a consumer market that hasn't really 167 00:12:12,180 --> 00:12:14,280 been given those tools. 168 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,680 Now that homeowners are starting to utilize applications for monitoring refrigerators 169 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:23,960 and appliances, water conditions in their home, they're actually being more aware of 170 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,520 their built environment. 171 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,920 And so being able to have a connected system where they have a little bit more interface 172 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:35,480 with their comfort cooling and comfort heating products is a really nice add on. 173 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,320 One of the things that we do get questions about when we start talking about A2L equipment, 174 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:45,640 is there any common identifiers with your new product lines that will be utilizing A2L 175 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:46,640 refrigerants? 176 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:51,820 Yeah, so we're making sure that all of the appropriate equipment we have that is A2L. 177 00:12:51,820 --> 00:12:54,280 So there is a couple of things. 178 00:12:54,280 --> 00:13:01,080 Obviously, we're following the safety regulations and all of the necessary regulatory protocols 179 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:06,800 on labeling the units, making sure that they're very clearly identifiable when it comes to 180 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:12,640 which ones have our legacy refrigerant, as well as our new A2L refrigerant. 181 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:18,240 So those units will have the appropriate call it signage and labeling attached to the units 182 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,920 themselves. 183 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:26,160 But also one very easily identifiable will be we've launched a brand new color scheme 184 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,240 for our residential equipment. 185 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:34,640 And so we're very excited that our entire residential line is absolutely refreshed, 186 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:40,760 not just from the refrigerant and all the feature sets that I mentioned earlier, really 187 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:46,960 focused around ease of install and call it making sure that we have mechanical pressure 188 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:52,320 switches and clarified wiring diagrams and simplified wiring. 189 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:57,440 And as I mentioned, foul placements and all these different features we put into our residential 190 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:03,080 equipment, but also making sure that they look modern and refreshed for the consumers 191 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:04,200 themselves. 192 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:10,520 And so we're going to have a brand new color palette for our new lines of residential equipment. 193 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:16,120 So you will be able to easily identify that way as well as with the appropriate labeling 194 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,480 that we have coming out. 195 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,720 Now do we have an anticipation of when we're going to start seeing the residential line 196 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,440 of A2L equipment? 197 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:25,440 Yeah. 198 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:31,120 So we've released most of our new residential line already or are to be able to be ordered 199 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,120 for sale through our distribution partners. 200 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,640 And so the factories themselves are ready to go. 201 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:42,960 And so production's actually starting this month for our new A2Ls and all of our residential 202 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:44,880 and light commercial factories. 203 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,320 So we're absolutely ready to go. 204 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:54,280 We actually pulled in the launch of these new A2Ls because originally there was a little 205 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:59,880 bit of a later schedule for the launches so that our channel partners could liquidate 206 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:03,920 some of the legacy refrigerant inventory that they had. 207 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:10,100 But with some, call it uncertainty relative to sell through and other things, we wanted 208 00:15:10,100 --> 00:15:17,360 our distributors to really be equipped and be ready significantly ahead of the January 209 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,440 1st, 2025 changeover. 210 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:24,360 So we've accelerated our launch schedule by about three months. 211 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:29,320 And so we're really excited to be one of the first to launch the A2L equipment into the 212 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:34,600 market for our partners, our contractors, and of course for consumers that want to be 213 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:39,920 sustainable and have a low GWP refrigerant system in their homes. 214 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,320 I hear a lot of investment. 215 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:47,720 Everything that I hear from you is how much Johnson Controls has invested into the industry 216 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:48,720 as a whole. 217 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:54,320 I've been to a lot of our equipment manufacturers and the amount of time that it takes to retool 218 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,280 a facility, the engineering that is involved. 219 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,640 Like you're talking about just going through wiring diagrams and changing color schemes 220 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:01,920 and re-engineering. 221 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:11,000 That is a huge investment from a manufacturer to be ahead of the January 1st, 2025 schedule. 222 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:16,440 That's a lot for a manufacturer to do and to be able to release an entire product line. 223 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:22,760 So how was Johnson Controls able to launch this entire product line way ahead of schedule? 224 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,720 Because there's going to be a lot of manufacturers that are going to be tugging at the shirt 225 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:31,840 tails because they're months and months and months behind Johnson Controls. 226 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:38,120 So I think it comes down to our commitment to our partners and to our contractors. 227 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:44,520 As we look at the commitment to the residential and commercial HVAC businesses and really 228 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:50,120 where the biggest impact of the regulatory transition is happening, Johnson Controls 229 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:56,320 has been at the forefront of making sure that we're working very closely with our distribution 230 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:01,040 partners and our installer contractors for them to be ready. 231 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:07,480 And so what that means is that requires us to be significantly ahead of that timeline 232 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,120 relative to the investments in engineering. 233 00:17:10,120 --> 00:17:15,600 So we've dramatically increased the amount of engineering talent that we have from a 234 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,800 headcount perspective. 235 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:19,260 We've invested in new labs. 236 00:17:19,260 --> 00:17:24,400 So we've expanded our labs in our Wichita, Kansas residential facility and our Norman, 237 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,080 Oklahoma commercial facility. 238 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:34,560 And so we've been retrofitting all of our factories to be, call it A2L production ready, 239 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:39,080 investing in new refrigerant charging systems, refreshing a lot of our assembly lines. 240 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:45,440 We've actually expanded our commercial HVAC facility in Norman, Oklahoma and doubled the 241 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:51,760 amount of output we have from that plant in order to keep up with the demand while simultaneously 242 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:58,880 being able to really retrofit some of our legacy assembly lines to be ready for A2L. 243 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:04,840 And most importantly, and something we're really committed to around decarbonization 244 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:11,280 and general sustainability efforts, we're really, really proud to have gotten a grant 245 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:17,620 from the government of the US in order to expand our Wichita facility on the production 246 00:18:17,620 --> 00:18:19,440 of residential heat pumps. 247 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:26,120 So something really, really important and the team is incredibly busy working on new 248 00:18:26,120 --> 00:18:32,000 production lines, which several of which are underway, one of which has just recently started 249 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,400 rolling units off the line here. 250 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,600 And so we're adding more heat pump lines in the United States. 251 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:44,560 So design engineered and manufactured in the US and we're really, really proud of that. 252 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:49,400 And we're going to continue to make that investment in the factory and add more and more domestic 253 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:54,240 heat pump capability for our Wichita, Kansas facility here. 254 00:18:54,240 --> 00:19:00,040 Yeah, I do believe that that is the future of HVAC, that we're going to be leaning heavily 255 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,640 on heat pump technology. 256 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:06,240 I'm actually working on a curriculum right now for co-climate heat pump installations 257 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:13,100 and best practices from a educator perspective, doing introductory into what the next generations 258 00:19:13,100 --> 00:19:17,080 of equipment are going to look like, because now we're starting to utilize technology to 259 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,720 expand the capability of our heat pumps. 260 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,240 And I really look forward to see some of these new products that are coming out. 261 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:29,540 I know you've been very active in the co-climate heat pump challenge and really pushing equipment 262 00:19:29,540 --> 00:19:36,000 to new levels of not just efficiency, but comfort and capability and serviceability. 263 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:41,180 So the new products are really starting to head into a nice direction for the contractor 264 00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:43,200 and for the installation service technicians. 265 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:48,840 Yeah, and we're really proud to be a part of the DOE's cold climate heat pump challenge 266 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:53,240 on the residential side, among some of our peer sets in the industry. 267 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:59,240 And so our unit has surpassed kind of the testing standards that we had set for ourselves. 268 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,080 And so we're really proud of that. 269 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,540 And the teams work very hard to get there. 270 00:20:03,540 --> 00:20:09,080 And we're also one of the pioneers as well with the DOE on the commercial side for our 271 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:10,080 rooftops. 272 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,520 And we've been working very, very closely to launch the cold climate heat pump for our 273 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:15,520 rooftop segment. 274 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:20,600 And so Johnson Controls is really proud to be a leader in that space as well. 275 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:21,600 Excellent. 276 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:22,600 All right. 277 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,160 That is a lot of great information. 278 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:30,360 Any other topics you'd like to cover before we hop out of here? 279 00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:36,720 I would say we're really excited to be a leader in the industry relative to our HVAC segment 280 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,320 at Johnson Controls. 281 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:44,920 We've been making a lot of investments around really the importance of low GWP refrigerants 282 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,720 and making sure that we have really strong engineering capabilities and our factories 283 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,260 are ready and our labs are ready. 284 00:20:52,260 --> 00:20:58,280 But also we're working really, really closely with our distribution partners and our training 285 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:04,460 centers around the world to make sure that we have the availability of education and 286 00:21:04,460 --> 00:21:07,280 communication to our contractor base. 287 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,680 And so we see that as something that is so incredibly important is to make sure that 288 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:17,640 our contractors feel confident in working with Johnson Controls and our residential 289 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,220 and commercial HVAC products. 290 00:21:20,220 --> 00:21:26,120 So we're doing a lot of efforts there, both directly with our partners, but also through 291 00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:31,720 our distributors and other types of avenues to make sure that we're ready for this transition, 292 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:37,880 where our partners are comfortable and call it confident in making sure that we're step 293 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:44,240 by step with them so that we can make the transition fluid and continue to provide best 294 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,800 in class products for homeowners and commercial building owners alike. 295 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:49,800 Excellent. 296 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:54,720 So for anyone wanting to follow up with this conversation and learn more about Johnson 297 00:21:54,720 --> 00:22:00,900 Controls, resources for education, as well as new product lines, what is a good landing 298 00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:04,400 place for them to go to? 299 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:11,960 So we provide you with the right Johnson Controls address from an IP perspective, and you can 300 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,480 definitely check us out at www.johnsoncontrols.com. 301 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:21,880 And there we do have learning resources for contractors specifically in the residential 302 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,840 space, but also for commercial. 303 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:31,600 We also have a residential light commercial training academy that's available for contractors 304 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:36,160 to sign up for and we'll get you these details to post along with the podcast. 305 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,200 All right, David Budzinski, president of Global Products. 306 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,920 I appreciate your time today. 307 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:42,920 Thank you. 308 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:58,600 Good night.