1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,900 Welcome back to Teaching the Unteachables, where we dive into teaching and learning 2 00:00:05,900 --> 00:00:11,380 methodologies for professionals like you. HVAC Excellence is committed to 3 00:00:11,380 --> 00:00:18,600 providing resources for HVACR educators. Learn more at escogroup.org and select 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:23,800 HVACR Education Resource Network. 5 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:28,500 Well hello everyone, thank you for joining us. We are spending time with our very 6 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:34,080 own Mr. Tom Tebby. How are you sir? Good morning Clifton, I'm very well thank you. 7 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:41,960 So you have wore many hats in the HVACR industry. Before we dive into all of the 8 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,080 different hats of an instructor, give us a little idea of the many hats that you 9 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,180 have worn over the years because they are many. Well I like the way you said 10 00:00:50,180 --> 00:00:53,960 over the years because I'm getting up there now so I've worn many different hats. 11 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:58,840 Let's start from the beginning very quickly. I have been a helper with my 12 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:04,400 father, my family owned 11 air conditioning companies. From there I went to school 13 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,280 through United States Air Force and through a technical center to get my 14 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:13,680 specialist degree in HVACR. I became a teacher at public schools, at private 15 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:18,120 schools and so forth. Besides being a technician, a shop owner, a contractor and 16 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,280 a teacher for utility companies, for major manufacturers and so forth during 17 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:28,120 my career. I taught full-time at private and public schools, HVACR, community 18 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,600 colleges, technical colleges and on occasions I taught programs at four 19 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:38,200 year colleges regarding occupational analysis and program design. From there I 20 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,520 became assistant director at my school after teaching for many years and 25 21 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:48,360 years in the classroom. Became a director of a school which we now call Dean and 22 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,880 then I became a regional director over five schools in my career. So I've been 23 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:58,120 around the block a few times and I'm very very passionate about quality education. 24 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:03,120 I absolutely adore these conversations that you and I have because you shed 25 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,480 light into where you can go in this industry. You know a lot of people when 26 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,600 they get into the HVAC industry they expect that they're going to be in a 27 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,360 certain place and they never they never focus on where you can go and a lot of 28 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,280 that has to do with they've never been introduced to the opportunities and 29 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:25,000 you are just the epitome of all of the opportunities that can happen for an HVACR 30 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:33,040 technician. So we're so blessed to have you here. Let's thank you. Thank you. I'm very 31 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,760 flattered. I hope I can make a contribution and help some of the other 32 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:43,000 instructors realize how important these other roles are in education besides the 33 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:48,880 fact of teaching, disseminating, presenting information. That's exactly it 34 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:53,720 because many of us like yourself, like myself, when we make that transition from 35 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:59,320 being a good technician where we had some roles and responsibilities and then 36 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:04,920 we move into the classroom we don't realize what each of those hats are and 37 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:09,920 sometimes they can be a challenge. So the goal is like all of our podcast and all 38 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:16,160 of the efforts that we do is to be able to bring some enlightenment to each of 39 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,320 our roles and responsibilities to help make things easier, to make that 40 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,880 transition better and faster. So let's talk about the one that that gets 41 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,920 overlooked. I mean and it's probably the reason we all stay in these these roles 42 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:36,360 is because we become a leader and a role model and sometimes that's very new and 43 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:42,600 very difficult for people to accept. Okay I'd like to do that but if you don't 44 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:47,160 mind I'd like to just share a quick story with you about why I remain very 45 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:53,520 compassionate about providing quality education over almost 40 years of my 46 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:59,240 life. Yes. And I'll be very brief here. This goes back to within the first three 47 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,920 years that I became a teacher and my wife and I made a trip to Mexico. We were 48 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,940 going to be going for a month and back then you were stopped quite often by the 49 00:04:07,940 --> 00:04:14,600 military on your way down to the portion of the country. Well we were stopped by a small 50 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,960 brigade who had rifles and so forth and surrounded our vehicles and they wanted 51 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:24,520 to see at that time your visa. Well on my visa it had as occupation it had a 52 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:29,600 professor. Oh. They didn't use the term instructor and they didn't use the term 53 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:35,000 teacher. So the captain asked for my papers he spoke English fairly well and 54 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,800 I gave him my papers and he looked at it he looked at why he says I see a lot 55 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:45,020 professor and I said well I'm a teacher at a technical and community college and he 56 00:04:45,020 --> 00:04:49,000 says see and he turned around and he showed my papers to all of the others 57 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:54,440 that were with him under him and they all waved and so forth so I asked him why 58 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:59,760 did why did you do that why are you making a big deal of that? And he 59 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,880 said in our country a professor we see them as people that work with other 60 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:11,040 people to help them improve. Help them get a career to help somebody afford 61 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:16,120 them a better life. To us in Mexico that is the most honorable profession or 62 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:22,360 vocation a person can have in life. Wow. We hold professors in the highest of 63 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:28,040 esteem in all occupations in our country and thank you very much for 64 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,600 visiting our country professor and I've never forgotten that because it 65 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,340 reminds me every day of our responsibility that whatever we do 66 00:05:36,340 --> 00:05:40,560 whenever we do it however we do it it's supposed to be in the best interest of 67 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:45,520 helping somebody else succeed. That gives me chills thinking about that I mean 68 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,040 that's the reason we're here that's reason I'm here and I know it's the 69 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,960 reason you're here and it's interesting how it has different perspectives and 70 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:58,080 in different places in the world but absolutely it is it's an honor it's a 71 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:04,360 privilege and it's a responsibility to be able to lead people into their own 72 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:11,880 roles and responsibilities in life. Absolutely. Now as far as role models 73 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:18,320 and leadership is concerned I think we all know that having you know pursued 74 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,560 many different studies that there are many different leadership styles you 75 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:27,720 know autocratic style the nurturing altruistic style of leadership the 76 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,200 democratic style of leadership but putting all of those fancy terms aside 77 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:37,960 in education I think that the the leadership style that's most appropriate 78 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:44,280 and serves and instruct the best is to lead by example. Yes absolutely. If I may 79 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:49,680 let me just say these are simple things but if we expect students to be on time 80 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:55,760 then the instructor should always be on time and start class on time. There's 81 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,960 nothing more offensive in my opinion to the class than to walk in late with a 82 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:04,120 cup of coffee and be a little dreary and say well look we're gonna wait a few 83 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,760 minutes because some are running late. That's very very awkward thing to do it 84 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:13,800 sets a very poor stage it actually discourages some people to not come at 85 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,200 all or come late like the others. Absolutely. Dress appropriately. We expect 86 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:23,800 students to dress appropriately for the profession so we should too. So so what 87 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:29,720 I'm saying is in my experience we didn't have a instructor dress code at our 88 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:36,160 school but I decided to go ahead and develop a uniform for myself with dark 89 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,920 blue pants light blue shirt and a little tie that was clip you can take off of 90 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:47,540 working around equipment. That ended up identifying me as the HVACR instructor 91 00:07:47,540 --> 00:07:51,840 to school. Also made easy Clifton as you know not to have to get up in the morning 92 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:57,560 to decide what you're gonna wear. I had five pants five shirts. Right. So you can set that for 93 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,200 yourself to students the students like that because nobody else had it they 94 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:06,000 decided they were gonna adopt a hat that said HVACR students. Well it became 95 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,520 contagious the next thing you know everybody to school is doing it. Nice. 96 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:14,240 Another piece of advice on leadership is be prepared. We expect our students to be 97 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:22,360 prepared for class so we should have a fun-filled activity day. It shouldn't be 98 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,460 catch-catch-can. It's exactly right because it kind of leads into the 99 00:08:26,460 --> 00:08:31,720 entertainer role because we actually have a role of becoming an entertainer 100 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:38,400 and for many technicians that might not feel comfortable so we may have to work 101 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:43,560 on our entertainer perspective of our new position. Absolutely and on this 102 00:08:43,560 --> 00:08:48,560 leadership role be excited about what you're doing. Yes. That transfers to the 103 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:52,120 students immediately. If you're not passionate you're not excited about the 104 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:57,560 day's activities how can we expect them to be excited and engage in everything 105 00:08:57,560 --> 00:09:02,960 that's happening. So I like I think it's beneficial to call a group together in 106 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,280 the morning and tell them exactly what the day is going to provide what the 107 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,680 objectives of the day are. We even do that in textbooks. Something to look 108 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:14,760 forward to to know exactly what's going to happen throughout the course of the 109 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:19,720 day. It's not do this do that type of activities. As a leader you can present 110 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,000 them with problems and different challenges. You can put problems before 111 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,600 the class starts on the whiteboard and provide extra points. You can have 112 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,440 treasure hunts. You can have competition between the various groups of students 113 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,320 if that happens to be your situation in class and obviously let me make this 114 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,760 clear what the roles we're talking about now are full-time air conditioning 115 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,520 refrigeration instructors at community and technical colleges. Exactly. A little 116 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,360 bit different when we're talking about industry trainers and so right 117 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,500 obviously. Another thing to be a good leader be respectful. You want to be 118 00:09:50,500 --> 00:09:54,680 respectful to all your students. Those are the marks of a leader in anything and 119 00:09:54,680 --> 00:10:01,200 everything that you do. Become a leader be respectful and treat all AIDS levels 120 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:06,840 the same. Don't make any exceptions. That's when you get in trouble. Nobody 121 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:12,000 ever complains that the rules are enforced equitably and consistently. 122 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:17,040 No so true. I'd like to leave that leadership part with a quote if I may. 123 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:22,040 Yep. It's always stuck with me. It was from one of the older CEOs at General 124 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:28,000 Electric named Jack Welch. You may be familiar with him. He said once you 125 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:35,800 become a leader a teacher your success is about growing others. Wow so true. 126 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:42,080 I guess that's a lot. That is your job to grow other people now to help them. Now 127 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:49,520 entertainer if I may go on for a second. Sure. Entertainer I think all instructors 128 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:54,280 in somewhat some way feel that passion to be an entertainer. I believe so. 129 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,120 Nothing we all love more than to get in front of that audience. There's no 130 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:03,040 greater satisfaction for them to enjoy what you had to say and get a lot out of 131 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:13,480 the class. Just watch it come alive. Oh baby watch it come alive. Remind me of somebody. Remind me of somebody that says well hey hey how are you? 132 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:21,840 Welcome to the Esco HVAC show. My point there is you got to start the day lively. 133 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:27,760 You do. You've got to have a little energy yourself because how you project 134 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,080 yourself in the morning and throughout the day is exactly what they're gonna 135 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,480 mimic throughout the day. You come in sluggish, bored, tired and everything else. 136 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,080 That's exactly what you're going to transmit to the class. That's the way 137 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:44,720 they're gonna feel. So start off positive. Tell a story. Each person has 138 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:50,360 their own way of entertaining. I can tell you the one that I've always 139 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,200 liked to call it like the class together in the morning. I think every instructor 140 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,280 should set the stage for the day. State the objectives of various groups. 141 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:05,720 But I would walk in like you do with the hey hey hey. And I will say good morning. 142 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:11,880 It's going to be a wonderful day. I have so much planned for you students that 143 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:16,200 you're just gonna be jumping with joy. We're gonna be energized all day. I can't 144 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:21,120 wait to get this started. I'm on a high. I hope you all feel safe. And they would look at 145 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:27,040 me sometimes and one guy raises his hand. I said see that? Look at that. We already have a question. 146 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:31,560 He said Mr. Tebby, my question is we don't know what kind of medicine you may be 147 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:39,520 taking but can you get us some? Well it's not medicine. It's attitude. You got to 148 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:45,920 come in lively. So I suggest doing that. And add a 149 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,240 little humor to the class. There's nothing greater than to tell the students about your 150 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,440 successes and your failures on the job. Some of them are silly mistakes that you 151 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:59,520 made. Some of the things that you had problems with in school and overcame or 152 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:04,400 some of the silly things that you did. Keep it lively. Keep it respectful. And 153 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,920 also give them an opportunity. You want to dialogue always with the students. You 154 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:13,160 want it to be conversational because they always get more out of that and 155 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,440 then you're including them in on everything that's happening. And always 156 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:23,040 encourage that dialogue and always when it comes to being that entertainer be 157 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,200 challenging. You can be challenging. Exactly. I was getting ready to bring 158 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,640 that up. You know we can be professionally challenging. I think it's 159 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:36,860 very healthy to have that in our dialogue. Well that that's correct. The 160 00:13:36,860 --> 00:13:42,680 dialogue with the students is important and I'm gonna talk about that. You 161 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:46,200 know when you're ready a little bit more about why it's important to engage the 162 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,800 students in the dialogue and a little bit more about retention. Sure. When we 163 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,880 get to that. I don't know if you had a particular format that you wanted to 164 00:13:54,880 --> 00:14:00,640 follow. No. This is all positive things for us to talk about in different roles 165 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,840 and different opportunities we have in front of the classroom. So no let's keep 166 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:11,800 going. Okay well I don't want to steal your thunder. But the next thing is mentor. 167 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:16,680 Yes. And this is big. We sometimes forget that we're not just dispensers of 168 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:21,320 information. We're mentors of any of these students. The whole complexion of 169 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:26,760 how education is delivered and the role that instructors play has dramatically 170 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:31,000 changed just as technology has changed dramatically over the past couple of 171 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,640 days. I mean seriously changed. Yes. And let me just say this criteria or if you 172 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:42,240 will or research criteria has shown that there is definitely a direct connection 173 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:49,280 between a caring and a knowledgeable teacher and a secure and a motivated 174 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:54,800 learner. Students need to know that teachers care about how they learn and 175 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:59,760 the things that help or hinder their learning. And I'd like to say that just 176 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:04,920 recently I conducted a survey of young men and young women in their first year 177 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:11,280 of technical college. The most important thing to them is to know that their 178 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,960 instructor really cares and they believe that. They can tell whether or not they 179 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:21,000 said they can anyway that an instructor really cares or don't care. And I said 180 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,520 well what is your biggest dislikes in doing many of the students? They said 181 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:29,280 what we don't like or discourages us the most is when an instructor wants to come 182 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:34,720 too far down to our level using our type of language our type of dress to be one 183 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:39,480 of the boys. We want them to remain maintain their professionalism that 184 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,920 professional distance from the students. We don't want them to become one of us. 185 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:48,360 Exactly. That was an interesting statement. That is that's profound 186 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:53,320 actually. Yeah I thought that they would want you to and they said not really we 187 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:58,000 want to we want to you to be the role model we look up to. Yeah. We already have our 188 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:03,600 own group of people. And let me just say this about being a mentor. The only way 189 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:08,360 you can truly be a mentor is you have to learn about the defining 190 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,400 characteristics of the students that are in your class. You I mean how can you 191 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,760 mentor somebody if you don't know anything about them? So exactly. What 192 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,440 little bits you know about their social, their economic, their cultural background, 193 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:25,160 particularly their learning styles, their needs, their abilities, their aptitudes, 194 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:30,720 and interests. How do you do that in such a short period of time? So let me just 195 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:35,840 suggest there is a way of getting at least a handle on all of this. If you're 196 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,480 going to be a true mentor then you have to know something about that background 197 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:44,120 because they will come to you with things other than academics. They will 198 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:48,560 absolutely absolutely that may need help regarding their future. Well it becomes 199 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,540 very important to start learning everyone individually because a an 200 00:16:52,540 --> 00:16:57,680 additional role that we play that we may not realize is we may there hopefully we 201 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:03,320 become an employment agent for our students trying to place them in a 202 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:08,240 proper career path once they leave the program. Absolutely and another thing I 203 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:13,040 would like to say that that we are responsible for but we don't always do 204 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:20,480 and I think we need to as a mentor create a love of learning. Yes. I think we 205 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:25,680 have to make sure that the all of the students understand how important and 206 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:33,040 how relevant the HVACR industry is to our way of life and I would suggest 207 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,720 telling the students from time to time that you're entering a very honorable 208 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:44,800 and necessary industry how what we do affects human comfort conditioning, food 209 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:50,560 preservation, food processing, various manufacturing processes, transport 210 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:55,840 refrigeration, the medical field and let them know that it's a more than maybe 211 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:01,640 just fixing residential air conditioning systems which I use the term human 212 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:06,840 comfort conditioning because I remember the utilities preferred to use that when 213 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,400 I talked with them they said Tom you're not teaching residential air condition 214 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,120 you're talking human comfort conditioning because you're talking 215 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:17,840 filtration, yeah about purification, humidity control, not just heating 216 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:23,240 conditioning. So I said and I think we need to let the students remind them 217 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,480 what an honorable profession they are entering and what a necessary 218 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:35,240 prevention you know profession it is to our way of life. Now getting back to 219 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:40,640 leadership for just a second if I may. Sure. It's okay. Another thing you can do 220 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,240 about being a leadership if you're having a little difficulty to class you 221 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:49,040 know everybody doesn't need to even consider this all the time but sometimes 222 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,200 depending on on the level of students you have the type of students you have 223 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:58,640 in the class a written contract has been recommended for years in other words to 224 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,920 maintain discipline you say okay as your instructor I guarantee I'll be here on 225 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,640 time I'll be prepared for class I'll have engaging activities I will return 226 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:12,800 your test papers on time in a timely manner etc etc as a student your 227 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:18,400 responsibility is to be here on time to be prepared for class etc etc and that 228 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,800 way if there's ever any type of a disciplinary problem let's see who 229 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:27,280 violated the contract. Exactly it's a written proclamation. Because students 230 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:33,080 have a share in this we have a commitment to teach they have to make a 231 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,200 commitment to do all of the things that a student should do sometimes that you 232 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,160 basic contract is just a good reminder like hey I didn't even think of it that 233 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,360 way I'm just a student I don't really have to do anything if I don't want to 234 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:51,120 sure a contract could be helpful. Well in that contract would you feel it relevant 235 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:54,520 to address professional development? Because it's one thing to be a good 236 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,160 instructor but what about being a good instructor that tries to stay up to date 237 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:04,160 with changes in the industry to be able to provide a current and applicable 238 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:09,800 curriculum? I couldn't agree with you more and I'll say this that obviously 239 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:15,000 instructors need to take the time keep informed about changes that affect the 240 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:21,000 way we deliver in our material and technical improvements in the industry. I 241 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:26,540 don't believe any instructor should be complacent about what they know you have 242 00:20:26,540 --> 00:20:30,880 to stay current if you're truly going to give students the opportunities for the 243 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,560 jobs that exist today. There's an overwhelming amount of information that 244 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:40,640 escalates in my opinion the pace of research and discovery that instructors 245 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:46,000 have to do and that's not going to have to take time to do. The one thing we want 246 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,640 to avoid is teaching any outdated principles and technologies. We're not 247 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,400 doing the contractors we're not doing the industry we're not doing the student 248 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,640 at this service because they're not going to be prepared for the world today. 249 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,720 And there's a lot of opportunities out there for students to suit different 250 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,480 students organizations as well as there would be for instructors. There's 251 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:11,240 webinars, there's conferences, there's trade shows, there's industry classes and 252 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,560 so forth that can help students and instructors appreciate the different 253 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:20,600 types of learning dynamics and technical advancements that have been made. So it's 254 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:25,760 just a matter of taking that energy and placing it in the right way and I'll say 255 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:30,640 this I always follow that up that little speech I just made with the students 256 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:35,160 with these are things and opportunities for you to take advantage of and 257 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:41,560 remember the choices you make determine the life that you lead. So every day you 258 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,920 make thousands of choices the choices you make regarding education and 259 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:50,280 studying and showing up for class for time and getting engaged in the 260 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:55,760 suggested product are going to determine how successful you are. You're the one 261 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:04,720 that controls your future not me. Tom Tebby, such a plethora of knowledge. We're 262 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:09,600 blessed to have you with us and we thank you so much for your time today. Thank 263 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:26,120 you it's been a pleasure to be here.