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This is a Bergen Film Club podcast.

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Hello and welcome back to The Real Thing. I'm your host Joe Lawrence and here we are episode 9.

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So The Real Thing is an extension of Bergen Film Club which is an independent cinema at the heart

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of Bergen, Norway. The film club's main goal is giving a voice to those who deserve it,

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revealing insights into unknown cultures and showing awesome cool movies. In this podcast,

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I talk about the films that are included in the film club's extensive programs of films,

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past, present and future. And today we are talking about a very cozy, strange, cool film. It's Errol

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Morris's Gates of Heaven. This was a really fun episode to talk about because it was very cozy,

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I suppose, and despite it's sort of talking about like death, capitalism and dead pets,

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but it's a lot more wholesome than you would first think, I think. So definitely really excited for

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you guys to hear the interview that we have coming up. I spoke with one of the board members from

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Bergen Film Club and she had some really great insights and it was very cozy and fun. Just to

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start off, we have some Bergen Film Club news. On Sunday the 14th of May, we are showing the movie

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A Human Position which is directed by Norway's own Anders Aldenblom. And he is coming to do

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like a live Q&A and showing up the film. So that's going to be really exciting. So if you're around

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in Bergen on May 14th, then come and check that out because that's going to be really awesome.

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To have the director there and maybe even something special for the podcast. So yeah.

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And the film seems really lovely. It follows this couple, Asta and Liva. While Asta is trying to go

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back to her old job in a local newspaper, she stumbles on a case about an asylum seeker that's

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being evicted after living in Norway for 10 years. This case ends up altering her understanding of

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who she is and what her life is and what she wants from it. And then, yeah, like I said, after the

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screening Anders Aldenblom will be joining for a conversation afterwards as well and presenting

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his own film. Which is a really special and unique opportunity. So it's going to be really cool to

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have him there. Otherwise, things have been going pretty cool for the podcast. It's still continuing

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to be a lot of fun and I really still appreciate everyone who's listening. You right now, who's

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listening right now. Hi, thank you. It's very cool. And the support from Bergen Film Club and

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everyone else is just very cool. I'm having a blast. I hope that that's communicated well

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through the episode. So before we get started with this episode about Gates of Heaven,

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let's start with some recommendations as we always do. So I'm starting with a TV recommendation

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because I'm back and watching TV again. I was going to recommend this Norwegian TV show called

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Scum, which I just started watching after being here for like two years. People have been recommending

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it to me the whole time. But I don't think that I'm necessarily going to recommend that because I

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you know, I think a lot of people listening on Norwegian and there's no... like you guys have seen

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it. I don't need to tell you about it. But for those who haven't seen it, Scum is like... it's

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about a group of high school students in Oslo basically just following their problems of like

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school, love, bullying, whatever. But it's essentially like the blueprint for so many shows

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that are also like really, really good. I guess for any UK listeners or people have seen it,

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it's very much like Skins. But because it's sort of like Scum is like the blueprint or like the

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precedent, it is really good. I mean, I'm only like four episodes in. But the acting is great.

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And I love the dialogue is really good in Norwegian. And yeah, it's great. Don't let

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the language barrier stop you from enjoying an amazing TV series. It's very good. No idea

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where it's available outside of Norway. But try and watch it if you can. But okay, that sounded

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like a recommendation, but it wasn't. What I'm going to recommend is a TV show that I have been

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watching on Netflix called The Glory. And it is just... it's one of the best TV shows that I've

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ever seen genuinely. I am enjoying it so much. It's set in Korea. And it follows a young woman

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who was bullied or abused to the point of deciding to drop out of school. She plans,

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basically then spends the next 20 years of her life figuring out the best way to get

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revenge on her bullies who were also high school students. So she's just been working on getting

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as much money as possible over the next 20 years and planning every single facet of her revenge

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story. And it's just so exciting. And the acting is brilliant. And the story and the pacing is

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also fantastic. I was kind of skeptical because it's 16 episodes. And each episode is like an

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hour. But I just want to say the voice that there is no need to be afraid of that. Because it's

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exciting and riveting. And you just have so much... you're really, really rooting for this main

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character. You just want her to destroy the lives of these bullies. It's kind of like a played out

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trope of maybe someone who grew up with very little money getting revenge on the upper class.

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But it's done in such a way that really just highlights it in a way that I haven't really

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seen before. And it's just so good. It's so malicious and evil and seedy. But I love revenge,

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getting revenge. I love that, the concept of it. I guess I don't think I've ever gotten revenge

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on anyone in real life. But it's like watching my dreams come true on the screen. And it's just

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really fantastic. So yet again, if you are an English speaking person... nah, if you are English,

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basically, if you're English American, don't let the language stop you. It's like Bong Joon-Ho said,

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don't let those little text characters prevent you from seeing something amazing. So definitely

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check out The Glory on Netflix because I am just eating it up. I'm about halfway through and I

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can't wait to see what happens next. It's great. Okay, and then for a movie recommendation, I

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watched Shiver Baby a couple weeks ago now, I guess, maybe last week. And this follows a character

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called Danielle, who while she's at a Jewish funeral service with her parents, she has like

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an awkward encounter with her sugar daddy and her ex girlfriend. Basically, she goes to the beginning

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of the film, sees her with her sugar daddy, and then she goes to this funeral and then he arrives

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with his wife and child. And she's also... her family are quite discouraging of her bisexuality

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and her ex girlfriend is there. So then it's like chaos ensues. But the dialogue is incredible in

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the film and it's filmed in this incredibly claustrophobic way, which really highlights the

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stress that I guess you can feel when you are in a very small contained family environment. Everyone

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wants to know what you're doing and checking up on you and stuff. And maybe if you don't necessarily

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have a lot of stuff to say, then it's kind of embarrassing and it's just very good. And I think

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all my Gen Z listeners out there will love this film because I watched this and I got like,

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whatever the equivalent of gender euphoria is for being Gen Z. I felt so seen in this film,

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I felt so understood. Just on the concept of being Gen Z and kind of like the stress of being

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a person that we get hated on a lot for. So it was very exciting. Really well shot, really well

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directed and really well acted. So I recommend that. Shiver baby, wherever you can find it.

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Yeah, those have been my recommendations for the week. Let's get into episode nine. Today we are

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talking about Errol Morris's 1978 documentary Gates of Heaven. So yes, here we are to talk about the

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directed by Errol Morris American documentary Gates of Heaven from 1978. This film is essentially

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about the pet cemetery business. So a little bit about the director and also just kind of launching

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from there. Gates of Heaven launched Morris's career and is now considered absolute classic.

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In 1991, the beloved film critic Roger Ebert, who we talk about a lot on the podcast, named it one

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of the best 10, named it one of his best 10 films ever in his list that he made for Sound

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Sound. But Morris is known for making quite exceptional and unusual films. For example,

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a film fast, cheap and out of control interweaves the stories of a wild animal trainer, a topiary

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gardener and a robot scientist and a naked mole rat specialist. And his other films include The

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Thin Blue Line and A Brief History of Time. So essentially, it's just, he has a lot of,

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his filmography spans a lot of topics and genres that like, just kind of prove and show the testament

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of what an incredible filmmaker he is, like he understands the human condition so well,

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I think, that he's able to make documentaries on such wildly different topics. And he's been

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called a master of using the camera to draw the truth from his interview subjects. So just because

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like many of his other works, this film is un-narrated and the stories are told purely

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through interviews. And he does it in a way which we're going to talk about in the upcoming

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interview I had with our guest, is he sort of just lets them talk and talk and that's,

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he allows the words that they use to sort of become like the building blocks of the

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documentary, which is very cool. For financing of this film, Morris borrowed money from his

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family and friends and the film was shot throughout spring and summer of 1977 with a

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total estimated budget of $125,000. Production was difficult at times with Morris frequently

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clashing with his cinematographer of the film's visual style. He ultimately ended up firing three

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cinematographers before setting on Ned Burgess with whom he would work again on his second film,

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Vernon, Florida. In terms of reception, noted director Werner Herzog pledged that he would

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eat his own shoe if this film, which has such an improbable subject matter, was completed and

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shown in a public theater. I'm going to save that little tidbit for the interview, but as we know,

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the film became very well liked and well received so he did in fact do that, but again we come to

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talk about that in the interview. Roger Ebert said, the film they made has become an underground

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legend, a litmus test for audience who cannot decide if it is serious or satirical, funny or

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sad, sympathetic or mocking. And I think that's like the beauty of this documentary in a way is

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that it is, it kind of can only really be defined as bittersweet I guess. There are so many happy

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and sad things and you kind of don't really know how to feel about it. It initially focuses on

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moral conflict between those who would have dead parents surrendered in Talo and those who would

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rather have them buried or cremated. Like there's your dog, your dog's dead, but where's the thing

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that made it move? It had to be something, didn't it? Is one of the quotes. So it's like a kind of

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spiritual conflict as well as talking about sort of like the capitalistic nature of a pet cemetery

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and those who stand to sort of benefit it. It's truly about dichotomy. It explores levels of which

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people love and care for their pets in this world or the next and those who think of them as garbage

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that need to be processed somewhere, which is one of the things that it focuses on. In the first half

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of the movie it's people who like come and collect and dispose of pets, basically kind of the

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contrast between wanting to have like a funeral or just like throw it away like garbage. It is

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also more about more than just pets but how people can turn these emotional connections into business

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enterprises and whether they do so out of combustion or in order to lie in their own pockets

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basically. So it's just a yeah it's a really interesting and lovely film and now it's time

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to get to the interview. I'm excited, very excited for people to hear this. So we were joined by

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Anna Hredök who is one of my fellow board members at the film club. She is very cool, very nice and

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we had a great conversation about this film. She chose this to have on our Autumn 2022 program and

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very excitingly this was our first ever outdoor interview. So that was very very fun and yeah

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hope you enjoy it. Here is my conversation with Anna about Gates of Heaven. Okay hello Anna. Hello.

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So nice to have you on the podcast. Thank you for having me. Yeah and exciting our first ever

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outside podcast. Yeah this is probably the nicest day this year in Bergen. Yeah definitely and I

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think this film requires a like contemplative calm environment to discuss it so I think being

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outside is nice. Yeah so we're talking about the Errol Morris directed movie Gates of Heaven. So

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I'll just stop asking you why did you like this movie? It's in one way it's an easy answer but

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it's also like I find it the first time I saw it I found it very challenging actually to sit through.

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It's very short, it's one hour and 20 minutes. Okay. But it's still it feels pretty long but I

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think what kind of won me over is the fact that it's incredibly charming. It starts with like a

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frame of a man sitting below a huge tree and then the film kind of starts and then each frame is sort

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of a it looks like a photograph almost it's kind of campy in a very good way. Yeah. So it's kind of

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nice to look at it's it's slow it's pretty cozy filled with a lot of weird people. Yeah. Weird

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characters and then at the end after you're sort of sucked through a lot of interviews and you're

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not quite sure where it's going while you're watching it when it's done I had the feeling

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that oh yeah that was kind of a whole experience. It was sort of yeah a full then I kind of understood.

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Like the full circle moment at the end of the film. Yeah. I'm quite a unique position for this movie that I've

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only seen half of it because I saw it in the cinema when you programmed it but I due to illness had

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to leave in the middle of the movie. So I don't know that I got that like full circle moment but

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I did think at least because the beginning is almost like a historical recap of this story of

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what happened to this man's pet cemetery and I thought that was very interesting but I suppose

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if it sort of changes to be sort of interviewing these weird people then I guess it could be seen

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as like meandering. Yeah. I think I'm guessing that you've already talked about it in the intro.

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Yeah. But it's a sort of interview led documentary. So it's only interviews no voiceover and no

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questions. So it's only the people being interviewed talking. Yeah. And I think Errol Morris has this very

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unique interview style that he just lets them talk and then often they contradict themselves

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or they say a lot of weird stuff and then it's suddenly incredibly profound because they've kind

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of just they're just talking. So I think that's probably the meandering part. The documentary

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doesn't tell you what it's about. I guess so there's not the voiceover telling you now we're

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going to talk to this person because they did this. Yeah. It's sort of tough to hear them talk

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and then they digress and talk about something a bit different. Yeah. I guess that makes you get like

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such a better insight into who they are as a person if they're not like stuck to set regiment

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questions. But Errol Morris is a very interesting guy like through the research that Ingrid and

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Momino have done. Yeah. Like his filmography is so strange to me. Like it just it says like he did

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this Gates of Heaven movie which is like yeah pet cemetery about what it is to have a pet and that

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spiritual connection and then the thin blue line which is like about the black place brutality

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from what I understand and then a Stephen Hawking documentary and something else and then he sort of

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was like yeah I'm done. That's it. But Gates of Heaven was his first film. Yeah which is

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insane. Yeah. Honestly because it's so good and so mature I guess. It's a very it has a very

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distinct visual style which maybe isn't that normal when you do your first film. It doesn't

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yeah it feels like it feels like he's very sure about what he wanted it to look like. Yeah. Then

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it looks like that. Because from what I understand he was like kind of working around film people

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for quite a long time. So he was definitely like seems like he was cultivating an idea that he had

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for a long time. So maybe that's why he has some like a short vision. Yeah. But he also was working

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with and around that German dude. Herzog. Yeah. So I think that working with such a strange man as he

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then I think it's true maybe can be inspired. But you programmed the Herzog It's His Shoe. Yes.

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Which is also a great documentary. So Werner Herzog It's His Shoe is a short documentary made by Les

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Blanc. Because so that the mythos the myth is that Errol Morris was struggling to finish the film

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I guess. And then Herzog told him that if he manages to finish it and then screen it in like

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a public place public cinema then he would cook and eat his shoe at the screening. Yeah. Which is

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a very Herzog thing to do. Yes. I guess you could say. Quite extreme and weird. Yes. Yeah. And then

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Errol Morris finishes the film. I think he did. So Werner Herzog It's His Shoe is a documentary

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about Werner Herzog slow cooking and then eating his favorite walking shoes. And he's like hunting

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down the best flavors. Yeah. He talks a lot about cooking. The fact that he is looking forward to

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it. Yeah. To cook his shoe. Yeah. Every grown man should cook once a week he says. So. Yeah. That's

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good advice. Yeah. He's doing that. He has some leek in there I think. Onion. Yeah. Garlic. Yeah.

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Just trying to make it taste good. Yeah. But I doubt that it was tasty. Yeah. It looked very tough. Chewy.

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Yeah. You see him through for a very long time. Yeah. And did he eat the whole thing? No. No. No.

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I think like the rubber sole. Yeah. Would probably not. Yeah. But I also see him really like doing

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that actually. Like eating the entire shoe. Yeah. Yeah. If he said he's going to do it. He's not going to do it. That's true.

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Yeah. I think it's an interesting. I'd recommend anyone who wants to see Gates of Heaven should

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also see Werner Herzog's It's a Shoe. Because Werner Herzog has some very interesting

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perspectives on the film. Which is also. It says a lot about Gates of Heaven that I can say and that I think it's

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charming and sort of a warm film. It makes me feel good in a way. It's also

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it has some kind of melancholic undertones maybe. I think. Yeah. Werner Herzog he says that it's

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a very very sad film. Yeah. He finds it depressing. Okay. Yeah. Which is also true. I think.

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I suppose like the subject matter is kind of depressing. Dead pets. But he kind of sees it as

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because I see it. It's pretty quaint. Kind of it has some quirky humor. All the characters. I guess

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the people he interviews are weird in a very charming way. Yeah. But I think Herzog sees it as

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kind of the effect of late capitalism I guess. Yeah. And I think it's a very

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strange thing to do. Yeah. And in the way that people

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are distorting their feelings. Like it's not. It's a very strange. It's a very American thing to do.

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To bury your pet I feel. Even though pet cemeteries are all over the world. But in this film it feels

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like a very. Yeah. From the research that we have been digging up about pet cemeteries.

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I think the world's biggest one kind of currently existing is an American one. And it had like

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something like. I don't know like 700,000 dead animals in it. Which is very many. Yeah.

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And it's maybe not. I guess what's kind of. I'm not going to say that. Yeah. 70,000. Sorry.

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Well yeah. That's very different. 10 percent. Okay. Well it's still very many. It is still

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very many dead pets. Still impressive. But I guess what. I agree with him on the point that to me it's

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very bizarre that you can run a cemetery and a lot of people bury their loved ones or their pets there.

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And then the cemetery can go bankrupt. Yeah. So you have to dig up everyone and everything and then

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move it. It's very. It's strange. How can a cemetery go bankrupt? But it's kind of like a horrific

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concept. Yeah. Like if it was people then that would be. Yeah. But the. That's the thing that

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one of the things that we were sort of looking into to talk about this is. Yeah I can look into

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it later but like this guy was sort of critiquing the idea of having pets and they're saying that

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like we make them more human than we should to the point that he thinks that like having pets will

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fall out of style in a few years because we will have made them so like us that it will be like

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unethical to have a pet. Which just kind of what you were saying there that then the idea of digging

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it up is maybe just as bad to the people who had the pets than digging up like a dead family member.

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Yeah it is and they are interviewing the people some of the people who were

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who had their pets dug up and they seem to find it pretty dramatic understandably enough. Like it's

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it's yeah it is kind of horrible yeah yeah. But I understand that it's not some a concept that you

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are so familiar with. No. No with the. With the. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's it's true.

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But so when I

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before I came here I did a little bit of reading about film to refresh my memory and then a lot of

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people are saying like a typical thing that you say about Gates of Heaven is that it's not really

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about pets it's about a lot of other things like people who love their pets and death and capitalism

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and stuff. Which is maybe why I like it because what Joe is referring to is the fact that I've

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never had the pet and I never had the pet growing up because both my parents are very allergic.

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I had fish though which are. They are pets. I would say from some of the fish that I have had

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I've been very attached to them but I think that just says more about me than than having fish

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because I've been very upset when certain fish have died. Yeah yeah yeah. It is upsetting yeah.

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But you don't have this like family dog of 15 years. No. Attachment. Yeah. I've never had a pet

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that was also a family member. Yeah. I guess. But I obviously get it. I want the pet when I get an

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apartment where it's around. Yeah. What kind of pet do you want? I want the cat. Oh yeah. I'm a cat person.

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Recommend. Yeah. Do you have a cat? Yeah I've had cats like growing up. Only cats. We're extensively

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not a dog family I think. Oh yeah. Yeah but I've had like four cats I think. I had my

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childhood cat that I grew up with Jake who died when I was like maybe 12 and then we had Buddy

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who died very young. Car incident. Very sad. But now we have Bruno and Lola. Okay. They were two cats.

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Girl and boy and yeah I think I was actually talking to someone else about this. The idea

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of losing a pet like the more pets that you lose the more kind of okay you are with the idea of it.

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But I think with Bruno and Lola I'm not so sure. That's gonna be bad. That's gonna be tough. I'm

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gonna have to like take a few weeks off. Yeah understandable. Yeah. Honestly yeah. But I love

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those cats. I'm glad that I'm finally getting the platform to talk about them. But yeah no we've

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had cats and we've had guinea pigs. Hamsters. Oh yeah. I had stick insects. Oh yeah. I don't know

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what happened to them actually. A fun reflection. But we had them. And fish yeah. Like my dad had

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fish from before I was born and they only died like last year. They? Or something like that before.

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But they were 24 25. Yeah. Because I think when you have pets growing up or pets they kind of

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they obviously or most likely will die before you. Yeah. So you have you are kind of confronted with

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death. Yeah. Especially in childhood for children losing pets. That's like you have to

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explain that maybe. Maybe that's the first time you'll talk with your child about the concept of

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death. I don't know. But we had the first time we got fish was when my dad and my mom

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divorced. And then my dad lived in this kind of like it was a nice apartment. But okay it was

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kind of obviously his bachelor. Yeah. He's not a very he's like a minimalist kind of person.

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It was a sofa a table with three chairs. Yeah. And then two beds for him and me and my brother.

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Okay. And we were there every other weekend. Yeah. And I was about five or six. Everything you need.

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Yeah. Yeah. What he would have said. But like for me. When my childhood kind of home. Yeah.

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Yeah. It was a strange time. But he then I guess maybe to cheer us up bought us a fish each.

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Okay. A red one and a black one. Yeah. And then this is like the early 2000s. So you could just

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go to the fish store and you bought like a round bowl. Yep. And then and I you wouldn't do that now

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because it's not good for the fish. It's way too it's not enough water and stuff. But you like get

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the bag of fish and then you get the bowl. Yep. And then we were very excited. We got one each.

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And then when we woke up the next day one of them had no obviously died. Yeah. Oh damn. So yeah.

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So that was a very kind of immediate. Yeah. Then we had to have a discussion about that. Yeah.

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Because of this fish. And then it. Yeah. What did you do with the fish. I don't know. I think my

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father handled it. I honestly don't know. I think my father just handled it. Okay. Maybe. Yeah.

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We were not a part of that process. Yeah. Because I remember when one of my dad's fish died. One of

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the first ones died. And I remember being sort of like perplexed by it. But I'd also see Nemo.

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Because Nemo was a film that I saw many many times as a kid because my sister watched it like

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every day. Great movie. But I was aware of the idea of like fish getting flushed down the toilet.

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I guess and being like this is super weird. And like me and my dad said a prayer over the toilet.

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And then that was like the burrow. And then we just flushed the toilet. Yeah. But I remember

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thinking it was weird. So maybe I would have preferred to be left out of the toilet flushing.

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Yeah. But I remember it like even now. It was strange. That's like a core memory. Yeah. With

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them. This like pretty large goldfish going down the toilet. And my dad saying it was going to

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heaven. Okay. Yeah. So that's kind of I think that's the reason that people need pet cemeteries.

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Yeah. Firstly because they want to have somewhere where they can mourn. So they can go to this kind

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of memorial. Which makes sense. Yeah. And then also in gates of heaven to circle back. Yes. Sure.

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Sure. They talk to owners of pets who have buried their pets. And they talk a lot about

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this is where it kind of gets profound. Because they sort of talk about the soul of the animal.

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years. They kind of it's incomprehensible for them that that pet doesn't have a soul. So it has to be

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buried for them to be able to meet it again. And that says something about the animal I guess. Or

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the bond between pet owner and pet owner. Yeah. That's something that through all this research

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that I've kind of links with what you were saying for the even this like specific case with these

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specific people. That the idea of kind of like immortalizing the pet is very important to people.

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And that even from like we're reading about like the like 30 BC or something in Israel. People were

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burying dogs for some kind of like religious reasons. Or in Egyptian times they were buried

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so they could go with their owner to the afterlife. And yeah in this very famous pet cemetery in

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London. They just began by it's in Hyde Park. This the gatekeeper of Hyde Park just like let someone

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bury their dog in the backyard. Because they asked. And then suddenly like hundreds of people were

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coming to ask if they could do that too. But all of like I can read you some of the quotes on the

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graves because it kind of links to what you were saying. And some of them are like pretty profound.

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We have like this is like the Victorian era. I think I said that. So like to my dear Musu there

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are men both good and wise who say that dumb creatures we have cherished here below shall

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give us kindly greeting when we pass the Golden Gate. Like it's beautiful. Yeah it is beautiful.

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But it's like yeah that you have to put it on some sort of pet soul because the idea of

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never seeing them again is too hard. But it's just like kind of strange to what Christian people

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might like pick and choose has a soul and doesn't have a soul. The dog obviously has a soul. Obviously.

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But then like a lizard might not have a soul. No that's true. I guess. No that's true. But lizards

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are very cute. They are? Yeah my friend had a gecko someone I lived with in my bachelor

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and it was very cute. They would like look at you and everything. Yeah I think they have souls.

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Doesn't look at you. Yeah there's some like thought process going on there. Yeah okay. Yeah I think so.

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Nice. But yeah it's a I actually grew up near a pet cemetery. Oh yeah. In the

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where I live in England. I live next to this park I guess and that has a very small but there's

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maybe like 100-150 graves if I'm remembering correctly. From like a Victorian era of all these

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pets and oh but then when I was a bit older then looking at them and then it they all have these

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like lovely epitaphs of you know like my lovely dog I'll see you and like see you when I see you

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kind of thing and there is a montage like that in Gates of Heaven. I don't know if you saw it. I don't think I was

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around for that bit. I think that's when I was gone. Yeah we were just like. When I was in bed.

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So in Gates of Heaven there's this montage of a lot of the graves of the animals.

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And it's a very touching moment. It's at the very end of the documentary.

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So it's just completely silent and they go from grave to grave.

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So I can just read some of them. Yeah go for it. This one is for Tipins who lived from

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1973 to 1976 and it says rest is thine our beloved little angel sweetest of memories ours.

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Which is sweet. Some people don't even get like quotes on their graves. That's it.

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Yeah that's just like rest in peace or yeah pretty much whatever like oh like daughter to some mother

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to something. Yeah. Yeah but never something like so profound and lovely.

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But it's very like very heartwarming in a way. The kind of like maybe we humanize them too much

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but also it's like so cozy at the same time. And it's very natural. I think it's it's nice that they

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that an animal can or a pet can have that kind of can change lives. Yeah. I guess and they truly can.

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Definitely. Here's for example Andy who lived from 1975 to 1976 our beautiful son.

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So sad. Yeah. Only one year.

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Here we have Monkey and Tanya and they lived from 1969 to 1971 and 1968 to 1972 respectively.

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And it says forever in our hearts from Gordon and Tony. Oh so sweet. It is very sweet.

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It's so sad to think that you never got that experience with your fish. Yeah I know but I

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kind of I did have empathy for them I guess. Like I had feelings for them but I don't know if

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you could bury a fish in the pet cemetery. Yeah my home like my home in England I would like to

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think that we have our own mini like Lawrence family pet cemetery. Yeah because families make

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their own. We have pretty much I think every animal that we have had die is buried in our garden.

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That's very true and I think yeah those kind of pet cemeteries exist in Norway as well.

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Probably in every garden you could find. Yeah a friend of mine was telling me he has their

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family dog buried at their cabin. Yeah. Yeah I imagine that that happens. Yeah that's so sweet.

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Like all the memories that you spent together and oh it's all cute. It's nice. But then you have

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if you compare that to doing it as a business it is something completely different. Yeah it is

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but it's like something. That's what's so interesting though about documentary.

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It's like how yeah. Yeah but like there needs to be some sort of infrastructure to allow

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pet cemeteries to exist like they have to be dug they have to be like up kept. I don't know

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that's a word. Probably. Yeah I know. But yeah like someone has to do it I guess but it's still

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strange that someone's like profiting off of. Yeah. But I suppose we similarly have that culture with

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people like funeral director and everything they make money off dying people a lot of money on dying

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people. Yeah it's a business. Yeah funerals are expensive. They really are. Yeah.

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Could just bury everyone in the backyard. Yeah. Why not? Definitely where does it matter? Yeah.

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You know I think but I suppose it's the same way you want to go like visit them. Yeah. Yeah like

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we have a family grave that we go to like on anniversaries and everything and it's like nice

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I guess. It makes very much sense. Maybe it makes sense that we want. Yeah it's maybe it's a bit

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creepy to have someone like a family member buried in your backyard. Is it legal? I don't think so.

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I don't think so either. No. Probably for a good reason. You'd probably have to own the land

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but maybe not even then. I don't know never heard about it. No. But since it's so expensive.

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That could be some homework for us and everyone listening is can I bury my

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like dead relative in my backyard along with my dead dog. Yeah. Yeah and my fish. Yeah. That's so

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nice. I guess if you're religious you want to bury your loved one in like a holy ground for example.

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But I just actually just learned that watching the Wickemann because the man visiting the

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island he is very Christian and he is like explaining that you can't bury anyone anywhere.

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You have to bury them on church ground otherwise they can't go to heaven.

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So there you go. So that's probably why. Yeah damn. The people want to bury their pets in the pet

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cemetery. Yeah. Maybe. I have one last one. Yeah go for it. And it's a nice one to close on. It's a nice one. Okay.

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Okay. So this is Panda who lived from 1960 to 1975. So long life. Yeah. And it says I knew love I had this dog.

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Oh that's so nice. That's so cute. It's a little Pomeranian.

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Yeah. Every one of these plaques also has pictures of the dogs. Yeah.

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That's beautiful. Yeah. Well I think that's a lovely note to end on. Yeah. Thanks so much for joining.

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Thank you for having me. This was fun. Yeah. Nice to be outside. Yeah. Nice to be outside. Yeah it's amazing.

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I haven't been outside since last September or something. Really? Okay. Just true. Yeah just inside. Hibernating. Yeah.

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So that is that. That was a really great interview. I enjoyed it so much talking to Anna. I felt like

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it was a really wholesome conversation and I'm really I feel really glad that we were able to

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have it at all. It was really nice to talk about some personal stuff and it was also just nice being

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outside I guess and it was very I felt contemplative and it was just wholesome and I hope that you could

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feel that sort of that we both had a very nice time and that was great. So thanks again Anna for coming on

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and talking all about this film. It's really like you know our pets really are sort of like the best of us

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in a way. Like it's a unique thing that ties everyone together and I think that

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when we were talking about it sort of I think I was sort of lightly talking about you know

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there's a lot to talk about with Christianity and why do they sort of pick and choose what gets us

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all and what doesn't but ultimately I think it's something that we all do beyond sort of like the

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religious concept is that of course it's just like very wholesome and lovely that we care so much

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about these animals that are in our lives and we love them and I just think it's like not necessarily

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a very harmful thing just the idea of that you would you want to see them again wherever we go

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when we die and I don't know it's just like it's just cozy and it was really nice to talk about my

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pets and I love shout out Bruno and Lolo if you're listening to the podcast I love you guys and uh yeah

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so that's yeah that's uh that's the episode um next week is our 10th episode damn we've been

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going for like about 12 weeks now 12 weeks on the trot and that's exciting next week we are joined

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by Bendik again uh to talk about an insane film called who can kill a child and I'm very excited

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to talk about that one because uh I'll talk about it next week but this uh that film is actually

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what was one of the things that helped me sort of conceptualize the idea of the podcast before I

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even started making it I've been wanting to talk about this film for a really long time so

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I'm excited for that and I'm excited for 10 episodes that's going to be really cool

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so let's close with uh some five star let box reviews for this film so from Ellie what an

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endearingly enigmatic watch this may be the most American film I've ever seen from Rick Pictures

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at least once a week I think about the completely cradeless brother with his wall covered in random

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awards and I wish I could completely like cynicism like he did also this is an astounding

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film that contemplates what it means to assign meaning in life but right now I'm thinking about

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the wall of plaques and from Stin the documentary 90 minutes of pathos and an incredible shot

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composition the blueprint for Christopher Guest and Wes Anderson if I were an actor I would use

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the woman's monologue about her deadbeat son as my audition tape no matter the role

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yeah I just uh if you can watch this film definitely do because I think you can find

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something in it and it's just kind of contemplative and even though the subject matter seems a bit

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sad I think it's very wholesome at the root of it and it's very well shot but thank you very much

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for listening this has been the real thing I have been Joel Lawrence thank you and goodbye

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and goodbye

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this has been a bergen film club production our music is by wise john check them out on instagram

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at wisc john official our logo is by pier sofia brindesen this episode was produced mixed and

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