1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,000 This is a Bergen Film Club podcast. 2 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:52,720 Hello and welcome to The Real Thing. I am Joe Lawrence and I am going to be your host. 3 00:00:52,720 --> 00:01:01,200 And first and foremost I am so excited to be doing this podcast. I love podcasts, 4 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:08,160 I spend a lot of my time listening to them and it brings me a lot of joy to have been given the 5 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:16,760 opportunity by Bergen Film Club to couple up with them lovingly, romantically and make our baby, 6 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:25,240 which is this podcast. That was a nice analogy anyway. So this podcast is sort of an addition 7 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:30,320 of Bergen Film Club. I'm going to be looking at the films that Bergen Film Club includes in 8 00:01:30,320 --> 00:01:37,160 their program. Historically, present or upcoming, I'm going to be talking about all of the films 9 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:44,160 and I'm very, very excited to be doing that and getting started and sharing what is such a cool 10 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:50,200 institution at the heart of Bergen, Norway. I've been a member of the film club for about a year 11 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:56,160 as a volunteer and it's great. It's such a lovely environment. Everyone is so nice. It's a great way 12 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:03,480 to get to know people and it's very cozy and they show great films, which is probably the 13 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:10,200 most important thing. I most recently became a board member with my job being this podcast. So 14 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:18,880 again, just thanks so much for this opportunity and I'm sure you guys are listening. Hi, thank you. 15 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:26,880 And let's get started. So I'm sure that some of you might be wondering what Bergen Film Club is 16 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:36,000 and don't worry. I've thought about it too and there will be an episode at some point regarding 17 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:43,280 the history and what Bergen Film Club is. But for now, I can tell you that Bergen Film Club 18 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:52,200 has existed since 1961 and it is essentially a film club, independent cinema in Bergen, Norway. 19 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:59,520 Its goal is to show films that the other films and the other cinemas in Bergen are not showing, 20 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:08,240 trying to show work from minorities and those disenfranchised groups, classics that are no 21 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:13,040 longer seen on the big screen and forgotten treasures from relevant creators today. Just 22 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:19,280 giving a voice to those who need a voice whilst also just sharing a love and a passion for cinema. 23 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:26,720 But there will be an episode discussing that at some point. So don't worry about it. You will get 24 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:33,280 to learn the history. I thought that a good way to get started, which is something that I always 25 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:40,480 love in podcasts before we're diving in together into the meat of the episode, is to just enjoy 26 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:45,760 each other's company and I thought it would be nice to just share some recommendations because 27 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:51,360 that's always nice. So the podcast that I've been listening to a lot recently is the podcast Buried 28 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:59,520 Bones from Exactly Right Media. I am a huge true crime fan and I'm sure that I'm not alone in that 29 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:07,440 and honestly this podcast is just cream of the crop, delicious true crime excellence. It is 30 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:15,360 the fantastic Kate Binkler-Dawson who is a professor, a journalist, an author, podcast queen 31 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:22,720 and she is doing this podcast with Paul Holes who is this very famous American detective 32 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:30,400 who solved huge cases from the 1990s and basically them together she presents him with 33 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,800 a historic case and he tries to solve it with the limited information that she gives him throughout 34 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,120 the episode. It's very good and it's so cute because they're such big fans of each other and 35 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,920 just check it out. Literally anything on the Exactly Right Media podcast network is fantastic 36 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:51,680 so definitely give that a listen. In terms of TV, I'm not a huge TV head at the moment but I did 37 00:04:51,680 --> 00:05:01,440 just start the series You Season 4. I think that that is a trashy show but I keep coming back to 38 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:09,440 it and you know they're in England now, I'm from England and it's uncomfortable to 39 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:16,960 really get a sight of what Americans truly believe English people are like so that is kind of 40 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:23,680 painful and the stereotypes are a bit grim at times but it's fine. You know it's a TV show, 41 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:29,360 I'm watching it but the thing that I have been absolutely, I must tell people about this, 42 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:34,960 but not that it is like a hidden show or anything but the TV show Love is Blind on Netflix Season 43 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:42,960 3. I am not particularly a huge fan of reality TV anymore. I used to be a huge fan but it made me 44 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:50,480 super depressed because I couldn't face the reality of this is what the world is actually like for 45 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:56,160 extremely rich people. This show is like no other reality TV show that I've ever seen, 46 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:00,560 it's people getting engaged without seeing each other, spending a week with each other and then 47 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:06,880 decide if they get married. It's just insane, it's a ride, it's emotional, it's human so check that 48 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:14,320 out for sure. I find myself questioning myself a little about why I like it so much but honestly 49 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:22,080 if you just like good produced television, good entertainment and sit down with a delicious meal 50 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:31,840 for 45 minutes and Love is Blind. Now pivoting to maybe a more relevant recommendation, I recently 51 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:39,680 watched Elvis 2022. I'm trying not to have too strong opinions on this podcast because I feel 52 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:45,920 like listening to someone hate on something that you love is not good listening so I'm going to 53 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:53,280 be diplomatic with my review of this. I am not particularly fond of Baz Luhrmann's directing 54 00:06:53,280 --> 00:07:02,640 style, I found it overwhelming and I found it loud so going into Elvis I wasn't so sure that 55 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:10,640 it was something that I would like and I was right. It was very fast and it felt like a two hour 56 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:20,080 trailer for a movie which was interesting. Tom Hanks, probably the worst acting that I've ever 57 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:28,160 seen from him. Saving Grace absolutely, Austin Butler was incredible in that role. He is firstly 58 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:35,440 just the embodiment of Elvis which is crazy. He sings just like him and moves and speaks like him 59 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:45,680 and it's incredible and on top of that he's also really handsome so that's great and yet I can see 60 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:52,000 why he got that Oscar nomination absolutely deserved for that but it's just like I said, 61 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:59,200 I'm not such a big Baz Luhrmann fan so that film was never going to be a hit for me but definitely 62 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:05,360 watch it if you haven't seen it because I learn a lot from it. I'm not a fan of the movie, 63 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:12,560 I learn a lot about Elvis and I love to learn and just watching for Austin Butler's performance 64 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:19,840 alone is honestly worth it given the length of the film. So Birkin Film Club is now solidly into 65 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:28,320 its spring semester catalogue program of films. So we had our opening a couple weeks ago and since 66 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:33,680 then we've shown some Brian De Palma movies which is something that we might eventually talk about. 67 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:41,280 It was a very controversial topic. He's the director of Scarface and Carrie and many other films, 68 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,800 many other films that a lot of people consider terrible movies so there's definitely been a lot 69 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:52,880 of discussion about that. An upcoming film that we have and a film that is going to feature on 70 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:59,440 the podcast is the documentary Tickled so definitely keep that in mind because we are 71 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:05,360 going to definitely talk about that because it's a strange phenomenon if you don't know what it's 72 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:15,040 about. It's about an underground tickling competition I suppose and it's a bit insidious 73 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,200 but it's also very very interesting so definitely keep an eye out for that and 74 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:29,040 let's just begin with our first movie of this podcast. We are going to be talking about the 75 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:52,320 film Your Name. So Your Name was a 2016 anime film written and directed by Makoto Shinkai. 76 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:57,600 When it was released it was met with huge critical acclaim for its visuals, its music 77 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:04,480 and the emotional weight of the story and this acclaim was felt globally. It's one of the few 78 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:11,840 films in recent years to have a huge reception outside of Japan which was very exciting for this 79 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:19,520 director. Since then he has gone on to make a couple new films similarly also very successful 80 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:28,560 with Weathering with You in 2019 and Suzume in 2022. So my goal here in the podcast is to sort 81 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:35,920 of explain this film in a spoiler-free-ish way because I think ideally you should watch the film 82 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:41,920 because I can't stress this enough about how lovely this film is. Genuinely it is just the 83 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:50,320 sweetest hug of a film and if you haven't seen it now you are doing yourself a disservice without 84 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:56,240 even knowing it. So the plot of the film is it's following a 17 year old high school girl called 85 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:03,040 Mizuhara Miyamizu who lives in a remote town which is located in Japan's mountainous Hida region. 86 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:09,760 She is kind of bored and disinterested with living in the countryside and she wishes and dreams of 87 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:16,160 being a handsome boy living in Tokyo in her next life. The movie utilizes then a body swap 88 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:24,160 storytelling device since one day Mizuhara wakes up in the body of a boy who actually lives in Tokyo. 89 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,680 The body swap is not permanent but instead it's random and there are days when they wake up in 90 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:35,360 the other person and there are days that they don't and they kind of try to discover who each 91 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:40,720 other are by leaving each other messages through writing or on their bodies trying to basically 92 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:47,200 find out what is happening here and what this connection that they have eventually leading to 93 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:54,320 are if they can try and meet each other and it's just so beautiful and it explores kind of like 94 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:02,080 how it is to live the life that you dream of and be with the person that you are dreaming of and 95 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:09,040 like I said it's just such a such a gorgeous beautiful film and it has these general themes 96 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:18,640 to sort of love and the coming of age destiny sort of a supernatural time element all based 97 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:27,360 around this freaky friday concept which is just so awesome. Makoto Shinkai utilizes digital tools 98 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:35,600 to make his movies as opposed to Studio Ghibli which tend to use drawing. This allows him to 99 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,400 so this allows him to make these really stunning visuals without having to dedicate 100 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:47,760 maybe thousands of hours of work. I was reading that he made a short film very early in his career 101 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,480 where he did the drawing by hand process and when he finished it he was just like 102 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:58,880 yeah I'm not going to do that again that was too much work and it was the product wasn't worth it 103 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:04,720 I'm just going to leave that to the the masters themselves Studio Ghibli which is which is fair enough. 104 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:14,320 He uses a lot of inspiration from events that are affecting people in Japan 105 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:21,280 but in a way that I think that which is such a beautiful thing about all of his films is that 106 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:28,560 there is this human connection baseline plot all the time so you have these themes that sort of 107 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:33,840 transcend culture and language and allow anyone to identify with the characters on the screen. 108 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:41,040 He says that without giving too much away in your name there is some sort of natural disaster event 109 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:45,920 and he was inspired by the the numerous natural disasters that Japan experienced in the early 110 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:56,000 2010s. This was the great earthquake in eastern Japan and also the nuclear meltdown in Fukushima 111 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:02,720 and the fallout that occurred from all of that literally and figuratively. This way that he's 112 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,800 inspired by saying that this could be you this could happen to you this could happen to your 113 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:13,360 family and what would that be like for the person who maybe isn't directly affected by it but 114 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:18,400 a family member a friend and I think that's just why his films come off in such this 115 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:24,640 pinpoint accurate emotional beautiful way is that he looks at this human experience 116 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:29,200 and these feelings that everyone shares and that's what makes his films really really so beautiful. 117 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:38,560 But fret not this podcast is not just me talking for the whole 50 minutes I sat down with Matthew 118 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:45,920 Beatty to talk about this film and anime in general. So Matthew who uses they then pronouns 119 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:53,120 is a 22 year old non-binary filmmaker. They had a film premiere at the Luma Film Festival 120 00:14:53,760 --> 00:15:00,960 the film The Family and Friends of Emily Fairhurst which takes a look and follows the journey of 121 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:06,480 this girl as she goes through successive years of therapy leading up to her making a very big 122 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:13,040 decision about her own life and her relationships. It's a very beautiful film and Matthew really 123 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,520 captures what I was saying this sort of human experience that a lot of young people especially 124 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:22,960 are feeling and it's a really gorgeous gorgeous film. Right now they're working in post-production 125 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:29,280 in social media and it was so fun to to talk to them about this. I definitely do not consider 126 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:38,160 myself an authority on anime at all and I really do consider them an anime connoisseur you could 127 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:44,000 say. So it was really great and I had a lot of fun talking to them about this movie and this genre 128 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:54,160 in general. Hi Matthew. Hi. Thank you so much for being on the first episode of this podcast. 129 00:15:54,160 --> 00:16:00,800 That's fine. Thanks for having me. Good sport. Thank you for putting your trust that this is 130 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:06,080 going to be something worth your time. Of course it is. Any excuse I have to talk about films 131 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:12,720 I'll go for it. I'll go for it dog. Yeah and especially this film it's a very good one 132 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:20,160 to start with I think. Yeah and especially to talk to you about as someone I consider 133 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:28,320 an anime aficionado. So yes we are talking about Your Name and I just thought that I'd start 134 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:37,920 lovely plain and simple. Matthew why do you like this film? Right well I'd watched it when it came 135 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:44,160 out and it came out in like 2016 I think and I really enjoyed it then but I did a film degree 136 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:51,920 at uni and for the first year we had to watch like a different film every week for the story 137 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:56,720 module and like looking at like different ways that narratives work and various different pieces 138 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:05,360 of cinema. In one of them was Your Name discussing non-linear storytelling because when you think 139 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:10,720 about both characters you kind of jump back in between their lives in some sections aren't told 140 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:15,920 in order and it all comes together at the end and I think it's fantastic in that way that 141 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:21,600 I would say a non-linear screenplay is definitely harder to pull off and also 142 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,840 but it's more satisfying when everything ties together and I feel like that this film does it 143 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:36,400 really really well. I also love the style that Makoto Shinkai has as director in both the kind 144 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:44,400 of animation style that they have and also just the direction of it overall and you can definitely 145 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,320 see it in his other works like Weathering With You and stuff it's very distinct and that's why I like 146 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:54,400 obviously about a lot of like directed works is that like I'd like it when you can tell that a 147 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:59,200 director's business I mean Wes Anderson comes to mind and stuff so like is an example of a 148 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:06,800 like a primary stylization and I think how big anime is at the moment is like you need something 149 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:12,080 that's going to make your work stand out in order for it to kind of like really make significant 150 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:18,000 impact on like a western audience and stuff. Anyway that's like a complete like I guess I 151 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:22,080 kind of broadened it but yeah I really liked it for the non-linear storytelling. I think the 152 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:29,200 characters were written really well as well. I think I also like the it's a very weird thing I 153 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:34,080 think that only like anime can get away with is that like in between even despite it not being a 154 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:38,960 musical there's just like there's the song in between like I think it's around halfway through 155 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,920 the film it kind of breaks up the sections but I've seen it done in other anime things as well 156 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,800 and that's kind of the theme song of the because it's kind of it's hard to explain it's like it's 157 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,600 the theme song of the film but it's like vocal and it's not at the start or like the credits 158 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:58,320 whatever it's like the middle like the it's like I think it's like around like the end of the first 159 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:03,200 act or something but it works with every yeah it works with everything that happens as well. 160 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:08,720 I think a really interesting thing that the researchers of the podcast showed us that is 161 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:15,280 that so the film is different from sort of the anime films that we're used to in the sense that 162 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:22,560 it's done completely digitally yeah it's like no drawing but that was the thing that they said about 163 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:29,520 making the score and making the songs is that they had this band that they worked with Radwimps 164 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:36,160 it was this like big j-pop band and they made the score the same time that they were making the film 165 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,920 oh okay it was like this the score was influencing the characters and the film 166 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:47,440 and the drawing at the same time that it was also influencing it the other way so I think that's a 167 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:54,000 really interesting like a very unique way of making a film I think because it the score is something 168 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:58,800 that usually comes afterwards. My mate used to say to me my mate Kamini he's always like 169 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,920 a soundtrack makes a film and I used to be like that's stupid like I don't agree but now I well 170 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:10,960 I used to be I don't agree but now I completely agree with that like after I would say when I 171 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,320 started film school I was like I don't know like the soundtrack is just an extra thing but 172 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:21,120 after like studying it and like watching more and more stuff you kind of realize how much of an 173 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:28,320 impact like the score and the soundtrack has on conveying certain emotions to the audience and 174 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:36,800 also how it tells the story in conjunction to the visuals and I think the perfect example is 175 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:43,920 your name in the sense that the soundtrack was obviously made simultaneously to the visuals so 176 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:50,480 it feels very intertwined and again it's this entire idea about time and how that's like you 177 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,880 know interpreted in the film so it works very well. Yeah for sure like everything that you 178 00:20:54,880 --> 00:21:00,560 can't say in words you can say in music. I wanted to talk to you like you just mentioned time is 179 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:09,760 one of the themes of this film alongside love, destiny, juxtaposition of you know countryside 180 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:16,400 and city, girl, boy, coming of age is a theme that is seen in so many animes and so many anime 181 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:22,880 films. I feel like you'd be hard pressed to find an anime that doesn't have coming of age included 182 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:30,160 in the in the genre list. What do you think about that is what makes it so popular to us 183 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:40,800 and so accessible with having this coming of age theme? I think with a lot of anime especially 184 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:47,440 it's kind of the audience, the target audience is like young adult and teenagers and I think a lot of 185 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:58,720 Gen Z in like kind of young adult yeah Gen Z, adult audiences look for relatability in media 186 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:04,160 especially I do I mean I wrote my entire dissertation on like interpretation with characters 187 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:11,440 based on someone's like based on their own personal identity and stuff and I think coming 188 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:16,800 of age is like literally one of my favorite genres of film and I think it is because when I feel the 189 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:24,000 most connected to characters when I see how they act on screen and it being real and it being in a 190 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:30,000 way that I would react to certain situations or things that I would experience in my life I mean 191 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:38,240 even from the I forgot their names but the girl character she has like a part-time job in it or 192 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:43,120 something or is it the guy I think the guy has a part-time job in it and I was like I used to work 193 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:48,800 in hospitality and I can like totally relate to that and I know that's completely like a side 194 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:54,080 like a side part of his character that isn't like really heavily involved in the story at all 195 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,880 but it's just like the little things that make you feel like you can relate to the characters I 196 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:05,040 guess like they feel like real people and I think with coming of age it's easier to feel more 197 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:12,320 empathetic and like it's easier to care about the characters more if you find them relatable as well 198 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:18,080 and that gives you more of a stronger connection with what you're watching so I think there's that 199 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:24,640 and I mean I think it's easy to interpret coming of age genres in anime the most because a lot of it 200 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:31,040 does a lot of animes do just involve like a lot of young adult characters and teenagers so it's an 201 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:37,440 easy genre to kind of implement in the work because you are you see a lot of animes that 202 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:45,840 have coming of age elements but it's a romance or it's still an action so it's still in there but 203 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,840 I think some of them like take it further I think your name is like a perfect example because it is 204 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,640 a romance I guess at the end of the day by the end it is like they find a connection between them but 205 00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:00,640 you see both of their lives from obviously the different environments that they grew up in and 206 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,880 how they kind of are different people in those lives so you're basically seeing a coming of age 207 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,200 story of these two separate people and then how they all want to come together and then it's a 208 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:14,240 coming of age story with like it's a coming of age romance story once they realize that they have 209 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,640 that connection they start swapping bodies and stuff yeah that's such a nice sentiment that's 210 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,880 like a really nice way to think about it like ultimately like we go to the cinema to see a good 211 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:28,480 story but I think that's what we can find so pleasing about film is you want to see yourself 212 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:34,800 you want to see your own personal struggles so that you feel validated in a way so in order to 213 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:40,400 jump too far away from that but I just wanted to say that this next question that I have for you 214 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:46,240 is something that I'm prepared for I'm prepared for a rant and prepared for some big opinions from 215 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:53,840 you I was gonna ask you what is your favorite anime oh okay well actually well it's funny 216 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,440 because I'm wearing this fleece right and I did not just put this on I said a joke because I was 217 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,680 like I was like I'm gonna put this fleece on because I'm cold and I did put it on because I was cold 218 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,520 but it is this isn't my favorite anime but it's one of my favorite it's like I don't know if you 219 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,600 can see it but it's like cut out of these two characters from beastars anyway but that's like 220 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:17,600 a fantastic one but um it's my favorite anime of all time is a neon genesis van gillion I think 221 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:25,920 it's incredible came out in like 95 96 this guy director Hideki Hideo I would say that it's it 222 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:32,960 can be argued that it basically paved the way of modern shonen today so I was curious what did they 223 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:41,520 mean by shonen anime shonen typically refers to the age or the protagonist of an anime it's usually 224 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:48,000 referring to a young boy around the age of 15 this also is referring to the demographic that these 225 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:54,480 shows are aimed at a lot of these animes and mangas have a young male hero and the focus of the show 226 00:25:54,480 --> 00:26:00,160 is action adventure and fighting matthew also mentioned something called mecha anime which I 227 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:05,360 was curious to know what that was mecha is a genre of japanese anime that heavily features 228 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:12,800 or focuses on mechanical innovation the umbrella of mecha everything underneath that is robots 229 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:19,120 cyborgs androids space stations space travel however it seems that the main focus of these 230 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:26,480 animes is using the inclusion of robots um because basically it's a mecha anime at heart you know 231 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,600 it's this thing of like kids like in like in robots that are like fighting and all that stuff 232 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:37,840 okay but it but in like in reality once you get without spoiling it too much once you get more 233 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,320 and more into it it kind of deconstructs the shonen genre in a sense that going back the coming 234 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,880 of age thing you always see these like especially in action animes you always like have these like 235 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:52,720 like 15 year old kids like destroying buildings and stuff in like fighting crime and it's like 236 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:58,880 evangelion kind of takes that idea and it's like it got the anime from the 80s and looked at all 237 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:04,720 these more like popular shonen's that time was like what would happen if you actually got like 238 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:10,160 this 14 year old kid to do that like and basically just shows like the mental health side of it and 239 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:17,840 like okay it's a really it turns from a action mecha to like a psychological horror and it's 240 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:24,800 fantastic really yeah i could go on and on about it i think it's amazing um it was very good 241 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:30,880 there's basically there's like the show is 26 episodes long and then without spoiling too much 242 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:38,080 episodes 25 and 26 um were controversial with what was in it and not in a kind of sense of 243 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,480 um censorship or anything but more in a sense of the fans were not really happy with what with 244 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,360 what's in there in what was produced but basically because of that hideki ano the guy who directed 245 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:53,520 it was like okay i'm gonna release a hour and a half film uh which is basically an alternate ending 246 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:59,840 and that ended up being like one of the um best anime films of all time it's critically acclaimed 247 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,680 it's got that it's got that top like i think it's in like the top 25 highest rated films on 248 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:10,800 letterbox it's got that letterbox cosine it's it's and it's in my like top like top five films of 249 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:16,240 all time it's really incredible what frustrates you though is that like i think end of evangelion 250 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,560 is amazing i think it's an absolute masterpiece i actually like the film more than the actual show 251 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:25,520 but in order for me to recommend the film you have to watch the show first it's just the 252 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:32,160 right amount that you need to watch the show first but um yeah and i think um with evangelion i think 253 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,840 again it's down it is coming of age is this 14 year old kid who's been told that he needs to pilot 254 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,240 these robots or else aliens are going to like destroy the entire world but it kind of takes 255 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:47,360 a step back like i said and says if a 14 year old was told to get in a robot or else like the entire 256 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:52,160 world's gonna end like how would a kid actually react and right what kind of mental toll would 257 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:58,480 it have and it's a very much a deconstruction of that rather than like you know standard 258 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:04,320 shonen animes have this like kid who can like do anything and it's just like constant action and 259 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:10,320 just a constant it's it's made to be you know an entertainment taining piece of work and so is 260 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,120 evangelion there's action scenes and stuff like that but it does more than that and there's a 261 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:21,280 lot you can say about it as well in terms of um i mean the sexuality there's lgbt stuff um okay 262 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,360 interpreted in it as well during the end of this show again don't want to spoil anything 263 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:34,000 at this point i decided to ask matthew about the accessibility of anime to western audiences both 264 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:40,960 about the themes being accessible but also similarly genuinely just accessing anime for 265 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:46,320 the longest time it was very difficult for western audiences to watch anime and it was only available 266 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:52,640 on certain websites such as crunchyroll which was a streaming service that had a huge library of anime 267 00:29:52,640 --> 00:30:00,080 subtitled and dubbed in english one of the most popular animes to come out of this which inspired 268 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:06,560 this whole new anime wave was the anime attack on titan which follows essentially a group of 269 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:14,560 child soldiers fighting against these man-eating titans which are these grotesque giant skinless 270 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:21,520 sometimes monsters that are threatening the human race matthew goes on to discuss how streaming 271 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:27,520 services such as netflix and amazon prime realized what a lucrative business venture this could be to 272 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:34,160 invest in anime since there was such a large audience watching it already and that maybe the 273 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:41,520 success of anime in the west is actually driven by capitalist greed i think a lot of the reasons why 274 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,920 attack on titan was very popular in like a western audience because it was easily accessible so 275 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:52,480 before before netflix acquired evangelion i think it was in 2017 they bought the rights to the show 276 00:30:53,120 --> 00:31:00,160 there was no legal way to find the show apart from buying the physical dvds or vhs tapes 277 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:06,720 or i think they would allow or like because it wasn't available this is when i feel like 278 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,920 since eva came out in the late 90s it wasn't really a show that was a straighter streaming 279 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:20,160 service show or it and since it was made by gynax with like an anime company they don't have a set 280 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,880 kind of like um streaming service themselves it's like crunchy roll but crunchy roll didn't have 281 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:31,920 access to that show as well and i think like for example beastars which is a show another anime show 282 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:37,760 that is being made for netflix so that's instantly on netflix and i think attack on titan came out 283 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:43,120 in around 20 i think 2013 when the first season came out and that was when like streaming like 284 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,800 anime streaming services were like at its peak like not only was crunchy roll being subscribed to 285 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:55,200 and it was also like netflix in amazon prime and stuff they were starting to understand how much 286 00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:02,640 money in how much kind of income the anime medium gets not only in japan but in like a western 287 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,000 audience so they started investing in anime because you had stuff like sawdust online which 288 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:12,000 is like not very good show at all but that is like the impact that that had is like massive because 289 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,520 you have these gateway shows like if somebody watches attack on titan or sawdust online they'll 290 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:20,960 start getting into more and more shows i got this friend sam not in anime like at all and i was like 291 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,200 i want you to watch evangelion it's my favorite favorite show of all time but if you want to get 292 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:30,000 into anime i would recommend attack on titan first then watch evangelion because i feel like it 293 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:36,080 introduces it's a perfect introduction to like the genre and it's the same with films like i would 294 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:42,880 say ghibli films and mccutche and kais stuff like weathering with you in your name in mamoru hosoda 295 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:49,200 films like summer wars and um mirai and um girl who let through time they're all like fantastic 296 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:54,720 things to introduce you to the anime medium before you get into like other shows that might be a bit 297 00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:00,320 harder to understand or like kind of harder to grasp like that's the way i see it definitely is 298 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:07,840 that accessibility um yeah it is a massive thing in terms of international media and how we access 299 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:13,360 it is like kind of determines how popular it is in certain areas but i think that's like such an 300 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,880 epic thing it was something that i wanted to talk to you about this whole accessibility thing because 301 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:24,720 it's not even physically not being able to get it but the cultural references are so different 302 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:31,120 yeah you know like in your name for example there's this whole the whole part where she is 303 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:36,400 with her her grandmother and she's making an offering at the shrine and she makes this 304 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:45,440 arcade that's like a fermented starter from human saliva which is like weird but yeah of course we 305 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,520 say it's weird because it's a it's a different culture but it's a thing that we don't understand 306 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:55,920 but i think that's why shows like attack on titan or maybe your name can be so popular in the west 307 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:01,680 because they're not so like specifically about japan yeah in a way and maybe that's why it makes 308 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:09,040 them so popular but then almost feels like it's a shame it's like the we we're popularizing it 309 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,920 ourselves through dubbing for for an example yeah you can sort of change the narrative slightly 310 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:19,520 there and make it accessible to the western audience by sacrificing what makes it like 311 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:27,920 intrinsically japanese yeah yeah i i i agree that it's a shame because i mean even in um the 312 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,400 evangelion redub and they changed a few of the lines which a lot of people weren't happy with 313 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:39,680 which they said centered uh the gay relationship in it and yeah so it was a more like changing like 314 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,920 i love you too i like you and stuff like that and people took that the wrong way which i think 315 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:50,000 i agree they should have kept the original um translation but it was because netflix went for 316 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:56,000 a more literal translation and apparently that was the more literal one but i don't know it was just 317 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:02,400 a bit weird but but that is another thing is that like with a lot of you know media that we consume 318 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:08,480 from american kind of um directors you know like paul thomas hansen and quentin tarantino a lot of 319 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,320 other stuff like you know you think about directors cuts and you think about criteria on copies and 320 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,080 you think about the director's intended way of watching a film you know you had like zach 321 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,800 snider justice league that was like in four by three and like black and white and it's like 322 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:30,560 four hours yeah and yeah four hours and it's this thing of like sometimes um anime will be censored 323 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:37,840 in the west due to like the certain sections or certain things that um you know westerners wouldn't 324 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:44,800 understand in terms of culture it's like how much of a difference does that dub make or that 325 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:51,760 subtitle change make that kind of deficit from the director's intention of how it should be viewed 326 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,560 but that's that's i think i guess that's just like a conversation for world cinema overall locus 327 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:03,360 yeah i suppose it depends it's frustrating to think that sometimes the way you watch a film or 328 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:10,800 the way that it's the way it's presented to you is um kind of dictated by the distributor and how 329 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:17,360 they decide to translate or do the film so it but i mean a lot of distributors and stuff always have 330 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:23,440 the director and the kind of story and narrative in mind obviously but sometimes it does get 331 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:31,040 um frustrating when things are changed so drastically that you lose that source material i 332 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:37,680 guess i think dubbing and that whole concept of like losing what it might originally have been 333 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:44,560 is something that a western audience doesn't think about like at all like we're so used to 334 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:50,800 consuming media in english that you wouldn't even you wouldn't like i said you don't give it a second 335 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:57,840 thought when it's just being fed to you as is because it's just changed into something that you 336 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:04,560 are accustomed to and you're not expecting anything different i think the way that we watch tv is 337 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:10,720 sometimes different to other cultures as well and this is idea of like tv dinner shows where it's 338 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:14,480 like something you just put on the in the background if somebody wants to watch anime in the 339 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,680 background whilst doing something you're not going to put the subtitle version on because you're 340 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,480 going to have to sit there and read the subtitles but a dubbed version you can hear in the background 341 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:29,520 but it's it but is that the intended way of watching a show especially with anime shows 342 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:35,680 that are usually enriched in like story and stuff i think attack on titan do both subtitled and dub 343 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:42,960 incredibly well so i think some shows do really well and adapt to um i mean it's again it's 344 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,760 that this idea of adaptation there's people who probably you know watched the anime i'm sorry 345 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,440 read the manga before they watched the anime and then they went oh well this isn't as good as the 346 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,960 good as the uh good as the novel i read and it's the same way with dubbing and subbing like it's 347 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:03,600 like uh the dub doesn't really have the same it's emotional impact as well like some dubs don't have 348 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,880 the same kind of punch there's a part in end of evangelion the film where shinji does this scream 349 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:15,840 and the dub in my opinion is like awful it sounds so goofy but then this is great the the japanese 350 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:21,600 version of the scream is like blood curdling it is like really yeah it's amazing and like it just 351 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:27,600 sends you shivers down your spine the second that matthew said that i thought i needs to hear this 352 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:34,240 scream and i listened to it and i'm gonna put it in after this because there is definitely a difference 353 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:37,280 between these two screams so here is the japanese scream 354 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:44,640 which i agree is pretty blood curdling and here is the english one 355 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:57,920 which i agree is definitely goofier lastly i wanted to talk to you about something i don't know is 356 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:06,160 not controversial but just maybe quite a a big point that is probably felt a lot by the anime 357 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:12,560 community i am someone who doesn't watch a lot of anime i watch a lot of studio ghibli i know 358 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:20,160 that's anime whatever but but i feel like there is to the non-anime watcher to an anime watcher 359 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,280 there is sort of like uh i feel like a lot of people look down on people who watch anime 360 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:30,720 i feel like a lot of people look down on people who watch anime and that obviously we have this 361 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:38,960 term weep just which defines someone who is sort of likes japan likes anime etc but it used to be 362 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:44,480 a sort of derogatory is not the right word but like a word that you can use to make fun of someone 363 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:50,320 whereas now i feel like it's a bit it's a bit more chill but like why do you think that there is this 364 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:55,760 sort of difference why do you think that people who maybe don't who are on the outside looking in 365 00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:01,760 onto the anime culture community why why do you think that they think it's so weird 366 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:08,640 so i think there's a lot to say about this i think one thing is that um i find really interesting 367 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:13,680 i actually saw a tech talk about this like literally this morning and it was about how 368 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,800 like again i don't mind talking about this like i'm a furry that's like a like a weird kind of 369 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:25,920 subculture that people are involved in and somebody said like the the the the stigmatism that 370 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:31,040 fairies are going through like now in modern media in like content creation stuff like that 371 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:36,080 is what anime people were going through like five or six years ago which i like wholeheartedly agree 372 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:42,320 with and i think it goes down to like the mainstream the like the mainstream of it and 373 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:49,040 and kind of how much how popular it's gotten so like i used to be like massively in anime when 374 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:56,320 i was like 15 16 like really in anime at that time like it was not cool to like anime but it was not 375 00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:01,600 no like it was not cool to like say that you watch anime and stuff but i would say now like i recently 376 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:07,680 um got a new job in london and like i've been like getting in my co-workers and stuff and i'm 377 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,200 talking about anime with them and maybe it's just coming like the creative industries and stuff but 378 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:16,480 it's just i'm like oh have you seen attack on titan and then this like this guy who's like does 379 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,480 not look like he would like watch anime again this is the idea of like somebody watches anime like 380 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,480 looks nerdy and stuff like that or like isn't like all this kind of like pop culture stuff 381 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,800 he was just like oh yeah absolutely attack on titan and i think it's because it's hit like 382 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:34,160 like western mainstream now to a point where you know it's easily accessible for people like 383 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:39,680 usually you would have to watch on a dodgy anime website or subscribe to crunchyroll which is 384 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:45,120 specifically for anime now if you go on netflix there is an entire section just for anime and 385 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:50,240 they license that anime they fund you've got a gretsgo and which is a netflix anime series 386 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:55,040 obviously got beast stars from the anime series you got seven deadly sins and it's the same with 387 00:41:55,040 --> 00:42:01,680 um prime i think prime of um so i mean um evangeline have got the rebuild films and again 388 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:07,680 amazon funded um the final one of those rebuild films and this is idea that yeah and it's this 389 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:14,480 idea that again streaming services are realizing how um like i guess profitable even though they're 390 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,680 really like the idea of like corporations profiting people as well as it's like it's a profitable 391 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:25,040 medium because it's got this bit and i think the the accessibility of it has caused a lot of people 392 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:30,640 to get into it and specifically people who would not normally be in anime and now it's just a 393 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:38,160 standard and i think one i think gibbly really heavily pioneered that because i think for sure 394 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:44,960 give gibbly films again similar evangeline bought by netflix and now you can have the entire gibbly 395 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:50,320 library like at your fingertips on your streaming service when originally you'd be able to watch the 396 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:58,240 gibbly films if they were on tv or you would buy the dvds and i think again this idea that i was 397 00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:04,640 saying before about studio gibbly being like a kind of gateway into more anime tv shows is that it's 398 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:09,520 so easily accessible that you can just watch those and realize oh this meet this is like actually not 399 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:16,960 what i was expecting so i think the reason why this this term weeb is like i don't know it's 400 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:25,440 more chill now is because there's more anime has become more mainstream yeah it um i think there is 401 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:31,280 still i think it depends on the shows i think a lot of stuff like my hero academia and titan 402 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:37,040 they're very westernized with their like content yeah like i was saying before like standard anime 403 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:42,240 shows that were popular back in 2015 2016 would be like these harem shows where they'd be like 404 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:50,880 sexualized anime girls and stuff like that and um yeah it's like i wouldn't it's similar kind of 405 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:58,400 like i don't know i'm trying to find a way to put this it's like anime shows like that you can't 406 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:05,920 pretend that they don't exist but yeah at that time that was what was popular apart bar like a 407 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:12,240 few shonen shows that were really hard to get like naruto was massive in 2015 2016 but then you'd 408 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:17,600 have to watch like 400 episodes of the show and it's just yeah and then you've got all this you 409 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:22,960 know kind of stuff to watch with that so i think there's a lot more smaller shows which a lot of 410 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:28,080 people are getting into now like attack on titans few seasons you got a lot of 12 episode shows like 411 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:32,320 a raise there's not i think still on netflix that's a 12 episode show so you got these bite-sized 412 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,800 shows that people can easily binge watch and i think it's easily binge binge watchable for a 413 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:44,000 western audience because anime shows have 20 minute episodes when a kind of standard western 414 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,240 um episode is around like an hour or like 50 minutes like you think like breaking bad or 415 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:54,560 something um but yeah no that that's why i think the term weeb is is changed from something that 416 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:59,760 was more negative to something that's more uh discussed now is because of how mainstream it's 417 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,720 went which is both down the accessibility and the kind of shows they are but now you've got 418 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:09,440 shows like my hero academia which is about like superheroes and you think about how big marvel is 419 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,360 and then you think if there's a show entirely circulating around this kid who's got like 420 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:18,320 superhero powers and is learning to have these powers it's the same kind of aspect as like 421 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,720 spider-man origin films and stuff like that yeah and you got you got to think of like 422 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:28,560 the western audience think about how much marvel is like worth and how many big budget marvel films 423 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:35,840 there is now and and how much of a grasp that has on like the like kind of the film industry 424 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,400 it's the same thing with anime where like something like my hero academia which is one of the biggest 425 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:47,600 anime shows probably in in the west it it has the same kind of feel in the same kind of themes 426 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:54,000 but it's this you know medium that was only known for these weird shows that you know 427 00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:01,440 are have these kind of like interesting very unique uh styles to them or art that you know 428 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:07,920 i feel like a lot of stuff in anime is overreacted or like kind of you know exaggerated and i think 429 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,840 that used to be something that people used to make fun of and i think it still is like can still be 430 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:19,360 looked from a satirical lens but i think now people see it is like if they're watching an action film 431 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,440 they know they're going to get some good action season anime because everything's exaggerated so 432 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:32,160 it's even more entertaining i think shows like in films they're very much kind of appealing to a 433 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:38,320 western audience now because you've still got this westernized anime but then the sprinkles of what 434 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:44,480 makes it the actual genre special and that's what it is so yeah and that's what i appreciate 435 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:50,720 about your name is that it yeah it does what it is supposed to do very well but it also is sort of 436 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:56,400 and i think that's really what allows certain animes to be so special is that it every new 437 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:01,200 popular one is pushing a boundary further than the previous one did and i think that's yeah 438 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:08,560 ultimately what makes it such an exciting genre to follow and especially this director 439 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:13,360 Makoto Shinkai he said that like his goal has always been to do something different and do 440 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:18,400 his own thing and even sort of commenting that he got annoyed when he got compared to Miyazaki 441 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:24,400 because he was like Miyazaki does one thing i'm i just think that's because i think it's really 442 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:33,120 um it's really easy to compare oh yeah big time family orientated or like pg like like not like 443 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:40,160 you know like not heavy kind of r-rated 15 anime films to um Miyazaki yeah it's good you say that 444 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:46,640 because i think one person i forgot to talk about was um i think Satoshi Kon and he was an amazing 445 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:54,560 anime director but he did stuff that was more like um like r-rated anime films and it was something i 446 00:47:54,560 --> 00:48:01,200 think um cons cons films were something that came to a western audience where it again it was like 447 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:06,160 the late 90s similar either where it was like this is something different and you know i'm used to 448 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:14,160 these like cute cuddly totoro ghibli films where but now i've got these um kind of this film like 449 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:23,040 perfect blue that deconstructs um yeah like the the kind of the idol industry in japan and becomes 450 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:28,480 like a psychological horror and you know it's a thriller it's a really good film and it was 451 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:35,520 something different that was aimed towards like a more um adult audience compared to something like 452 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:43,280 um Miyazaki so it was really comparable but i do agree like Mamoru Hosoda who makes more like 453 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:48,480 family-oriented anime films or like kind of like young adult anime films again is something you'd 454 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,240 be like oh you know like Mamoru Hosoda is kind of like it's kind of like Miyazaki kind of stuff i 455 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:58,080 think it's just i think it's very i don't know be a bit critical but i think it's quite small minded 456 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,400 to compare everything to Ghibli because i think Ghibli is its own thing in itself yeah but it's 457 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:07,360 so easy to compare it to like yeah to generalize it and it's not good because everyone does their own 458 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:16,480 different things absolutely thank you so much for talking to me it's been so nice to have you as my 459 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,960 first guest no it's been a pleasure thanks so much for having me on love talking about anime 460 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:28,080 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476 00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,840 so that's that we made it to the end of the first ever episode of the real thing that's so 477 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:05,520 exciting that i can say that and to be doing this and thank you to bergen film club again for giving 478 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:11,440 me this opportunity thank you to matthew for joining us it was so nice to talk to them about 479 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,720 about this film and giving such good insight into something that i really don't know a lot about so 480 00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:22,000 it was definitely really interesting to learn about all of that stuff and thank you to you 481 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,720 if you're still here if you're still listening hi thank you i hope that you will join us again 482 00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:34,880 in the future next episode we are talking about the movie mad god by phil tippett so i'm excited 483 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:42,240 to talk about some wet blood that's the little insight that i'm going to give for that but 484 00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:50,480 definitely definitely definitely i just i beg you to watch this your name film it's just so beautiful 485 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:57,520 and yeah if you haven't been convinced by this podcast that the episode then like then fair 486 00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:04,720 enough but just check it out i thought i would end on some some five star reviews of the film from 487 00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:14,640 letterboxd so this is from picanthic oh salami this film took my heart dropped it on the ground 488 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:20,800 stepped on it stabbed it ripped it apart and threw it in the trash and the next five star review from 489 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:26,800 starny moon sobbed so hard i threw up if that doesn't sell you on this film i don't know what will 490 00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:33,280 thank you again this has been the real thing and i'll catch you next time goodbye 491 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:39,440 this has been a bergand 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