1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,260 Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, BFAM Podcast, 2 00:00:03,260 --> 00:00:05,520 and thank you for tuning in to another episode. 3 00:00:05,520 --> 00:00:06,880 Today I'm here with? 4 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,240 Stephanie Westmeyer. 5 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:09,440 And you do? 6 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,720 I work as a training specialist in the Experiential Learning 7 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,760 Center at the Marshall School of Business, 8 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:19,080 and I teach introduction to public speaking 9 00:00:19,080 --> 00:00:22,360 class in the Annenberg School of Communication and Journalism. 10 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,640 So how did that come about? 11 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,560 How did you get into that? 12 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,360 I got into my job here at Marshall, 13 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,040 where it's been now over 9 and 1 half years, 14 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,160 because of my background. 15 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:40,040 I went on and earned a doctorate degree in communication. 16 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,320 I did 10 straight years of school 17 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,040 and earned all three of my degrees. 18 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:50,560 Then I had taught public speaking communication classes, 19 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,600 and I also wanted to pursue my passion, which 20 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,880 was corporate training. 21 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,280 So I left higher education, worked for a nonprofit, 22 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,520 and then I decided to come home, because it was 9-11 had hit, 23 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,120 and we were not sure where the future of our country was going. 24 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,000 So a friend says, why don't you go back home, 25 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,920 because we don't know what's going to happen. 26 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,280 So I came back here, and the doors of opportunity 27 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:15,080 were open for me. 28 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,000 And I said, OK, what is it something that I want to do? 29 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,640 I want to train athletes in their speaking skills. 30 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,560 So I worked for a year at the Dodgers 31 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,040 and worked for a year at the Angels. 32 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,000 And that didn't open. 33 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,040 So I'm like, OK, now let me go back 34 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,960 to what my next passion is. 35 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:33,400 And I had earned a doctorate degree 36 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,240 because I wanted to do corporate training. 37 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,480 So I went to work for In-N-Out Burger 38 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:43,520 as a training instructor for their entry level management 39 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:44,040 program. 40 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,280 They're called Fourth Manager. 41 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,040 So I was there for five years. 42 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,800 And then I decided to, based upon the recommendation 43 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,240 of someone else, go back into higher education. 44 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,960 Because I spent about 10 years in higher education, 45 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,960 went into corporate, and then came back to higher ed. 46 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:02,880 Worked in HR for Long Beach State. 47 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,280 So I did training over there. 48 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:09,880 And then ventured off to try my hand at independent consulting. 49 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,520 Then I realized, this is tough work to go solo. 50 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,200 And I said, OK, let me find another job 51 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,600 and then work full time and then do the consulting on the side. 52 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,640 So I found this job at Marshall and applied for it. 53 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:28,120 And what I liked about it was it was exactly what I wanted. 54 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,680 It was the business experience and the teaching experience. 55 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,480 So I applied and have been here now 9 and 1 half years. 56 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,840 In February, it would be 10 years as a training specialist 57 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,560 in the Experiential Learning Center. 58 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,720 And what's so cool about the facility 59 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,120 is that, as you know, you've come down. 60 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,600 That's how we met. 61 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:46,600 I'm like, you saw me. 62 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,360 You can see that passion in me for teaching and education 63 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:51,160 and knowledge. 64 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,280 And the Experiential Learning Center 65 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:58,440 is a preeminent facility amongst all business schools. 66 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,360 So we're one of the only business schools 67 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:08,480 that has a facility dedicated to help undergraduates, graduates, 68 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,280 and executives train in different areas. 69 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,240 So professors will bring their students down to the facility. 70 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,280 And I will run the exercise. 71 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,960 And then we do a debrief. 72 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,280 So part of my job is, during the semester, 73 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,040 is facilitating the exercises for the classes. 74 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:33,080 And then, oftentimes, I'm developing new materials 75 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:34,480 and working on other projects. 76 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,920 So that's where the teaching aspect comes in. 77 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,440 And though I have a high need for connection, 78 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,440 people are important to me and investing in people. 79 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,440 And I've wanted to go back into teaching. 80 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,600 And last year, my supervisor says, well, why don't you 81 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,360 go and see about Annenberg? 82 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:53,640 So I applied for a job. 83 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,480 And I'm back in the classroom teaching a public speaking 84 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:57,400 class. 85 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:58,600 And I enjoy it. 86 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,440 It's just really nice to see people 87 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,600 take one of the greatest fears, public speaking. 88 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,240 People much rather, as Jerry Seinfeld said, 89 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,400 public speaking is number one fear above death and taxes. 90 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,400 And that people much rather, at a funeral, 91 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,480 be the person in the box and the person standing 92 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,920 in front of giving the eulogy. 93 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,280 So it's really cool for me to be able to watch people, what 94 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:24,320 I call, transform, take their fears 95 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,720 and then develop into a sense of confident communicators. 96 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,440 So I enjoy that process. 97 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,280 So that's how I spend my time here at USC. 98 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:33,240 That's so nice. 99 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,400 And I thank you for that lengthy introduction. 100 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,640 That's one of the best introductions I've had yet. 101 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:39,960 Was it like an elevator pitch? 102 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,640 Yeah, it was a great elevator pitch. 103 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,840 So yeah, I take the class History on Stand Up Comedy. 104 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:52,880 He was talking about how it's hard to get up there 105 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,360 and talk in front of people. 106 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,880 And secondly, it's even harder to get up there and hope 107 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,760 that they laugh at your jokes. 108 00:04:58,760 --> 00:04:59,560 Yes. 109 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,320 So have you had any experience with comedians? 110 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,080 Have they ever come to get help? 111 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,720 No, I haven't had experience with comedians. 112 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,760 I have worked with athletes. 113 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,240 And so that is really a neat experience to watch them. 114 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,320 And when I was working with the Angels, 115 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:20,520 I had a really unique, very humbling experience 116 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,360 where a broadcaster came up to me. 117 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,520 And I shared what my vision was is 118 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,200 to train athletes in their speaking skills. 119 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,680 He's like, oh, I'm always interested in new techniques. 120 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:31,920 And so I gave him some. 121 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,000 And he was so gracious because he listened. 122 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,720 This guy knows this stuff already, 123 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,640 but he's taking advice from me. 124 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:44,320 So when I see him broadcast in baseball for different games, 125 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,920 I'm like, wow, what a cool person. 126 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,000 That's really what I call that servant leadership. 127 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:54,000 He knew what my dream was, and he wanted to support it. 128 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,960 So that's kind of what I like to do. 129 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,560 I mentioned to you, I'm a connector. 130 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,120 I have a need for people and connection. 131 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,920 And I like to help other people find ways 132 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,640 to make their dreams come true. 133 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,560 So when people say, oh, I have this need, 134 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:07,440 or do you know anyone there? 135 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,760 I'm like, oh, this, or I will think of people. 136 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,120 People describe me as being very thoughtful. 137 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,600 And so I say, OK, let me see. 138 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,080 And that's where my strength is. 139 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,440 So I haven't worked with comedians. 140 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,120 I have, though, worked with a few athletes. 141 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,720 And so it's nice to see them gain their confidence 142 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,080 in front of them speaking. 143 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,600 Yeah, so one of the things that stuck out to me was listening. 144 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,680 So how important is listening to public speaking? 145 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,440 They seem like total opposites almost, 146 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,920 but how do those two play into each other? 147 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,400 Well, that is a really great question. 148 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,200 Because in order to be a great speaker, 149 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,680 you have to learn to be a great listener. 150 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,440 And the reason I say that is because when 151 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,240 you can learn to listen to what people say, 152 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,080 you learn what's important to them. 153 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,000 And you can learn what's important to them. 154 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,480 Then you can connect with them to the audience, 155 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:01,440 as audience members. 156 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,520 And when you connect to them as audience members, 157 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,000 then they're drawn into your presentation. 158 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,760 And so what you're doing is you're 159 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:14,040 speaking to an audience instead of speaking at an audience. 160 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,600 And that's often what I think happens as speakers. 161 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,000 We think, I'm the expert. 162 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,240 I have all the knowledge. 163 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,560 And I'm going to tell you what you need to know. 164 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,840 Instead, it's like, I've listened to what you say. 165 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,520 I've heard what your needs are. 166 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,640 Let me share with you some information 167 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,320 that I think is valuable. 168 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:34,960 When we do informative speeches, I 169 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,360 have students focus on, why should the audience listen 170 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,600 to you, the WIFM, what's in it for me? 171 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,120 And so I really emphasize that part, 172 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,720 because it breaks the barrier as a speaker and audience. 173 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,440 It just seems to be this like physical. 174 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:50,440 Glass wall. 175 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:51,240 Yes. 176 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,280 And I like the idea of that image of a glass wall. 177 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,880 It becomes like a psychological barrier. 178 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:00,800 So when I can say, as a person who's 179 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,920 interested in finding out about people, 180 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,480 let me tell you a little bit about how 181 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,400 this topic relates to you. 182 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,440 You'll benefit more by learning about me. 183 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,480 And I'll benefit more by learning about you. 184 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,280 So now you feel drawn into the presentation. 185 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,000 And it was really cool, because just this morning, 186 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,760 the students were giving their presentation. 187 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,280 And a student who normally doesn't 188 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,960 have connection with another student made reference to him. 189 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,680 And I just saw that psychological emotional 190 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:26,800 connection. 191 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,000 And it was really cool. 192 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,680 And that's the value of listening, 193 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,840 because I thought, he listened to his audience. 194 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,600 And he knew about his audience. 195 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,040 So I think listening is a very important part of speaking. 196 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,920 And we also have different ways we can listen. 197 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:42,680 Yeah. 198 00:08:42,680 --> 00:08:45,920 Even with listening, another thing, I think, 199 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,080 can bring a really good connection 200 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,280 is when people learn each other's names 201 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,040 and reference back to them during the speech 202 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:54,360 or during the conversation. 203 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:54,920 Yes. 204 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:56,800 And that exactly happened, too. 205 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,880 Someone referenced someone else in the speech to the audience 206 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,240 names, because the person just got out of the speaking. 207 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:02,920 They're getting it. 208 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,800 And that's where the joy of teaching comes in, 209 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,800 is because I've been talking, and I've 210 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,880 been sharing information and experience. 211 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,520 And then when I see them put it into action, I'm like, 212 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:16,120 they get it. 213 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:16,480 Yeah. 214 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,640 And that just shows to me that they're listening to me, too. 215 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:19,960 Yeah, and they're actually engaged. 216 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:20,680 Exactly. 217 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:22,040 That's a good way of putting it. 218 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,960 So what about when speeches go wrong? 219 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,040 Like, how do you say it? 220 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,160 Improvization. 221 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:28,720 Yeah. 222 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,280 Improvization. 223 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,520 So I'm glad that you mentioned that, 224 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:37,480 because when speeches go wrong, you have to just go with it. 225 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,640 And I actually had, for me, one of my worst nightmares 226 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,120 is giving a presentation and not knowing my material, 227 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,920 or having technical issues. 228 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,920 And a couple of years ago, I was giving a presentation 229 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,600 to a class with a brand new computer, and we had tested. 230 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,800 You can see where this is going, right? 231 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,840 So I tested and practiced in another classroom. 232 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,800 It was here in a 302 class. 233 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,880 I practiced in another classroom, 234 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,920 and then I went into the classroom, 235 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,400 and the professor says, oh, can you just email it to me? 236 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,360 I said, no, that file's too big. 237 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,320 We'll just use my computer. 238 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:19,200 And my audio card and my HDMI connection didn't work. 239 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,160 And so he kept working with it, and working with it, 240 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,840 and working like, I've got 32 people in front of me. 241 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:24,680 What am I going to do? 242 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:26,480 And I got this great presentation 243 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,160 with all these videos. 244 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,240 And so I had to go with it. 245 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,240 And so I just like, OK, this is it. 246 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,880 And fortunately, because I was familiar with my material, 247 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,320 I walked through it. 248 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:43,320 And it was a frustrating point, and especially for me, 249 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,560 because I thought, I know I should have sent. 250 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:46,280 He asked for it. 251 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,600 I should have sent it back up, back up, back up, 252 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:49,880 back up to the back up. 253 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:54,080 And I didn't, because I thought my way was the right way, 254 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,560 and that's an area of getting help, too. 255 00:10:57,560 --> 00:11:00,160 So I think that that's an example of there 256 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,000 are speeches that will go wrong. 257 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,200 And it's not so much the mistake that is made 258 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,960 as how did you recover from it. 259 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,960 So that, for me, is a technology issue. 260 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,480 And when you come to 307, the marketing class, 261 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,600 for those who have taken the Marshall Marketing class, 262 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,000 there's an exercise where they'll do their PowerPoints, 263 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,720 and at the last minute, we'll pull some of them away from it. 264 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,640 And I tell them, this is reality, 265 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,280 where you're going to go, and your PowerPoint's not 266 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,120 going to work, and then you're going to have to say, 267 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:31,440 and they're going to say, I still want to hear it. 268 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,120 No, we cannot reschedule this meeting. 269 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,840 Just share your information. 270 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,560 So I think that that's an example of that. 271 00:11:37,560 --> 00:11:40,800 And with students in classes, there's this need 272 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,760 like, I have to say everything. 273 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,760 So instead of improv, we use what we call extemporaneous, 274 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,960 where you know what you're going to say, 275 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,040 and then you start flowing with the presentation. 276 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,880 So I know my introduction, my main points. 277 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,800 Oops, I skipped a main point, but they really 278 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,600 know that part, so I'm just going to improv if you want. 279 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,280 You can't miss it if you don't know it. 280 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:00,200 Yeah, exactly. 281 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,720 And that's one thing that I'm trying 282 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:03,960 to help the students understand. 283 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,480 If you forget a part, it's OK. 284 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,960 It's better just to move forward and go on with it. 285 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:10,800 Yeah. 286 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,360 So I see familiar. 287 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,440 These are big words. 288 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,880 Being familiar with the content that you are presenting 289 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,120 is very important. 290 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,560 But how does research play a part 291 00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:26,480 in actually being interested in what you're learning? 292 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,720 Oh, I'm so glad you say that, because it's 293 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,160 so important to have more information, 294 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,520 so that way it shows that you're credible. 295 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,040 There are three parts in speaking 296 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,840 that we talk about, ethos, pathos, and modos. 297 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:43,360 And ethos is where you're building your credibility 298 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,120 and your knowledge. 299 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,680 And so that's an important part. 300 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:47,880 Like, I've done my research. 301 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,680 I want to share with you what the findings have said. 302 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:54,640 And it just shows, I think it can also, 303 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,960 I don't think people realize that using knowledge 304 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,160 and resources or research also helps create 305 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:03,640 a connection to the audience. 306 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,400 Because people are thinking, why should I believe you? 307 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,240 Because you're speaking in front of me, 308 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:09,480 doesn't mean I have to believe. 309 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:15,640 And then when you say, according to the 2023 USC website, 310 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,680 only 10% of those who applied were accepted. 311 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:19,760 That's just something. 312 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,200 And it just shows, wow, this person 313 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,600 took time to find out this information to share with me. 314 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,920 Count every single person. 315 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,280 And I also think it's important in research 316 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,600 to be able to share both sides. 317 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,880 Because nowadays, we have our views, 318 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,000 and we use a platform to share our views, which is good. 319 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,080 Also, the audience nowadays, we all 320 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:41,680 come from diverse backgrounds. 321 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:44,040 We might not all share the same views. 322 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:48,080 So it's important to acknowledge what other people say. 323 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,280 It's like, OK, this is what this research says. 324 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,280 And other people have different points of view. 325 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,720 And this is what the other point of view says. 326 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,400 I think if you can show balance, then it 327 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,760 shows there's more objectivity as a speaker, which 328 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,400 people want to hear nowadays. 329 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:06,880 Yeah, and I see that rhetorical analysis is a really good thing 330 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:07,720 to have a speech. 331 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,760 Because you have to be able to provide the information, 332 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,240 the data, and then give your insight behind it 333 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:18,040 to convince the listener to actually want to listen to you. 334 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:22,840 And another part is every coin has two sides. 335 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:23,400 Yes, it does. 336 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,440 You can't just present one side of the coin heads up 337 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:26,400 and forget about tails. 338 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,280 So can you talk about the importance 339 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,840 of presenting the counterargument, 340 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,360 not giving all the way into it, but acknowledging it, 341 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,920 and giving the data that would potentially bring down 342 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,760 your entire argument, but still being 343 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,400 confident enough to support your own argument at the same time? 344 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,400 So I think it's interesting, because there's 345 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,560 a concept, an approach that we use called 346 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,360 Monroe's Motivated Sequence in the persuasive. 347 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,080 And you start off with the attention step, 348 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,840 then you go to the need step, and then the satisfaction, 349 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,200 then the visualization, and then the action. 350 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,360 And the attention is, OK, what the situation is, 351 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,000 what's the topic, and what you're 352 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,880 wanting to persuade people to do. 353 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,120 And then that need step is exactly what you talk about. 354 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,200 You talk about what are the advantages, 355 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,080 what is the needs, what is the problem. 356 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,200 And when you're presenting your problem, 357 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,080 you have to recognize the fact that there's 358 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,280 another side to it. 359 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,000 So when you're stating the need, you 360 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,320 will present that opposing need. 361 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,120 And then when you talk about the satisfaction, 362 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,240 you talk about the benefits of the reason 363 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,160 why you recommend this side, and then also the drawbacks. 364 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,320 Because people need to really persuade someone, 365 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,680 you need to give people freedom to choose. 366 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:47,880 And your argument is designed to let the audience decide 367 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,280 what they should do based upon the information. 368 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:56,000 And that's what's nice about Monroe's Motivated Sequence, 369 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,560 because you then go to the satisfaction step, 370 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,480 then you go to the fourth step, which is the visualization step. 371 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,480 And then you paint a picture for the audience. 372 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,080 OK, this is if you adapt and take action 373 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,640 for what I'm telling you to do, these are all the benefits. 374 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,080 If you don't, then this is a drawback. 375 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,720 So then this is seeing both sides, I always say. 376 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,000 And then finally, the call to action, which is, OK, 377 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,600 now it's time for you to take that step. 378 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,240 And with the call to action, it's important for audience 379 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,600 members to have something physical to do, 380 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,760 because that's where persuasion comes in. 381 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,480 It's not just changing my thought, 382 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:33,840 oh, that's a really good idea. 383 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,880 I support your idea that I need to go to the gym 384 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:36,920 three days a week. 385 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:38,680 Six months later, I'm not at the gym. 386 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,920 But if you give me a free pass that I can, or a product 387 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,560 that you're wanting to sell, that I'm trying it, 388 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,880 then I'm willing to go for it. 389 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,920 So it's the action that is also needed to it. 390 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,080 And that's why it's important to present both sides. 391 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,800 And nowadays, I actually had a student 392 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,320 who wanted to give a topic on a person that they found 393 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:00,520 controversial. 394 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,320 Some people would consider controversial. 395 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,040 And I said, no, I think you need to do it. 396 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,320 Because first of all, you have the strength as a speaker 397 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:07,840 to do it. 398 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,960 And then you also talk about the other side of that speaker. 399 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:16,120 So instead of vilifying or demonizing 400 00:17:16,120 --> 00:17:19,320 that person as a bad person, show the other aspects 401 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:20,720 of the good that they're doing. 402 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,760 Because that's where we can really 403 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,360 start to see the opposite side. 404 00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:27,480 Like, oh, wow, I didn't know that person received 405 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:34,400 the most tweets for anti-Semitic comments. 406 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,360 Like, wow, I didn't realize that that person struggled, too. 407 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:41,680 Or wow, that's why that person has the views that they do. 408 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,080 And so that's what I'm saying. 409 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,200 I agree with you that we need to present both sides. 410 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,360 And we also need to listen to both sides as well. 411 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:52,480 So one of the things I enjoy doing 412 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,240 is I was actually challenged by this. 413 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:56,600 It was called the love challenge. 414 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:01,480 To find people that you have a difficult time connecting 415 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,960 with or understanding and reach out to them. 416 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,200 And I did that. 417 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:11,200 So I found someone who comes from a different group 418 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,440 than I do, different cultural groups. 419 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,480 And so I got to know that person. 420 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,000 And that person got to know me. 421 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,080 And they paid me the greatest compliment. 422 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,320 They said, wow, you really are who you say you are. 423 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,520 And that meant a lot to me. 424 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,120 And so now my mind is open. 425 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:30,680 And I'm able to see people from different perspectives. 426 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,680 So in some ways, the person comes 427 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,600 from a different background. 428 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,960 And the background is one that my background usually 429 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:39,520 doesn't like. 430 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,280 And so I've learned to be more in the neutral area. 431 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:44,240 There's an author. 432 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:45,000 And open to learning. 433 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:45,520 Yes. 434 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,000 Because we have so much to learn. 435 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,360 And there's an author. 436 00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:50,840 Yes. 437 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,160 Called Bob Goff. 438 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,640 And he wrote a book called Always and Everywhere. 439 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,560 It's love always and love everyone. 440 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,160 And that was like a transforming book for me 441 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:09,000 because I realized if I can learn to love everyone 442 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,040 the way I'm loved, and then that means 443 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,760 that the gift of love is being perpetuated. 444 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:18,560 And that can start then building bridges and breaking down 445 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:19,520 barriers. 446 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:24,240 So that's why I think it's good to learn to love and respect 447 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,320 and honor people, even if they have different views 448 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,720 and values from you. 449 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,640 I can still have my views and values. 450 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,560 And I can still learn to respect and see 451 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,000 where someone else is coming from. 452 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,000 I have a friend. 453 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,240 We come from two political different views. 454 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,920 And a few years ago during an administration, 455 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,880 it was really nice because we got to listen to each other. 456 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,960 And we had what I call civil discourse. 457 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,120 OK, so why are you here? 458 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:52,240 Why are you there? 459 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:57,360 And it was just nice to be able to maintain a friendship 460 00:19:57,360 --> 00:19:58,640 through different perspectives. 461 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,280 And we would learn from each other. 462 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,600 And so when the person was voted into office, 463 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:05,600 and it's like, why? 464 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:06,440 What's going on? 465 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:07,200 I'm like, OK, OK. 466 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,080 And then her person was voted in office. 467 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:09,880 I was like, OK, why? 468 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:10,400 Why? 469 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,720 Yeah, so it was really cool. 470 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,000 I think that's where I feel like growth is. 471 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,080 It's not just about book knowledge 472 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,920 and getting A's on tests. 473 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,560 It's also the idea of how do we respond to people in a way that 474 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,960 shows that we're kind of interested in them. 475 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,560 Yeah, and honored, too. 476 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,080 Yeah, and a lot of times, I believe, 477 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,480 it's not even about, well, for me, 478 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,360 it's not about being right or wrong in situations anymore. 479 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:41,160 Because I feel like once you hold that view or aspect 480 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,480 of anything, you kind of shut anybody out from coming in. 481 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,480 And once you start to shut these people out, 482 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,800 it's extremely hard to change your views and viewpoints 483 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:51,640 on a lot of things. 484 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,080 And once you're stuck in this cycle, 485 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,880 you begin to believe that your life is just repeating itself 486 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:57,440 over again. 487 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:58,920 And that's when the days become long. 488 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,320 And that's when they start to feel like they're repeating, 489 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,600 because you're stuck in this circle. 490 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,680 And the only way to get out of the circle 491 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,560 is to step outside of yourself and look at these new groups. 492 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,880 And then a lot of people, I feel like they shy away 493 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,840 from doing this, because they feel like, oh, 494 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,120 once I step outside the circle, I have to conform. 495 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:19,760 And now it's this conformity factor that they're scared of. 496 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,720 And they're not going to be themselves anymore. 497 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,120 But that's the joy of life, is that you get to change every day 498 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:25,800 that you wake up. 499 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,280 And even if you don't change at all, 500 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:33,200 now you have a new neurological pathway of thinking. 501 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:38,120 And now your brain is working again, because our brains age. 502 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:42,360 And we only, I learned this in sociology class, 503 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:46,760 is the brain fully develops when you turn 25. 504 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,200 And once you get there, it's like, 505 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,640 if you're not bringing in any type of new information, 506 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:52,720 you start to plateau. 507 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,240 So that's where depression and emotions start to roll in. 508 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,600 And you start to become confused on who you are. 509 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,160 And it's crazy that around 25 is when the brain starts to shut off. 510 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,600 So it will make sense around 30 or mid-30s. 511 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,000 That's when mid-life crises start to fall in. 512 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,320 And that's when people start to question themselves 513 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,900 and what they're doing with their life. 514 00:22:14,900 --> 00:22:21,520 And it's never too late, but 35 is kind of late 515 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,080 if you already had the information before. 516 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,000 And then one of the things that I like to think of 517 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,680 is that once you learn something, you can't forget it. 518 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,040 And so you get a pass for being ignorant 519 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,600 before you learn whatever you were learning. 520 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,840 But once you learn that thing, it's up to you 521 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,840 to put it into action or not. 522 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,640 And that's when you lose the, not even the ignorant is bliss 523 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,560 part, but the I feel bad for you because you don't know. 524 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,040 But once I teach you, now it's like, 525 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,800 it's up to you to use this information. 526 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,520 And if you don't want to use it, I'm not going to make you. 527 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,640 But I wish I could help. 528 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,880 And I think that we don't see that too much anymore 529 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,080 in the sense of people learn information 530 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,640 and they make a choice of whether they're going to store it. 531 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,520 It's kind of like studying for a test. 532 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,240 So I'm going to learn this to get that A, 533 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,040 and then I'm just going to forget it 534 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,400 until they learn to use it. 535 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,800 And so that's the one nice thing about life. 536 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,240 When I was in graduate school, a saying that I had living life 537 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,320 is a lifelong learning process. 538 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,760 So what is it that I can learn? 539 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,280 What is it something new? 540 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,960 And being OK with making mistakes, 541 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,000 because I think that that's something 542 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,560 that we're not used to. 543 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,480 There's this need that there's only one way 544 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:39,840 and it's the right way. 545 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:45,200 And now I'm in my years where I'm learning, 546 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,040 it's OK to do things differently. 547 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,960 And it's OK that things don't go my way. 548 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,440 And so I think that's important. 549 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,480 And I value and respect people who are in their 20s who 550 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,880 are still learning or who have that attitude. 551 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,800 That's, to me, a wonderful attitude and definitely 552 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,720 a good mindset to have. 553 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,080 And it is true that we make the conscious choice of what 554 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,800 we're going to do with the information. 555 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,440 And if we choose not to use it, then isn't that once, 556 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,320 fool me once? 557 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,360 Shame on you. 558 00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:15,440 Fool me twice. 559 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,520 You can't fool me again. 560 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:17,920 Yeah, shame on me. 561 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,960 Oh, I'm thinking of a song about that. 562 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,920 Exactly. 563 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,600 Sounds like a good song. 564 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,080 So it's the same idea. 565 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,400 And so what was the fool me twice and what 566 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:29,680 is the song there go? 567 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,200 He said, fool me once, shame on you. 568 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,160 Fool me twice, well, you can't fool me again. 569 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,200 It's a J. Cole song. 570 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,040 Oh, that's cool. 571 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,040 That's awesome. 572 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,680 It's the same idea that it's making a choice 573 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:41,840 to learn and change. 574 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,320 I think that's another part is what 575 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,560 we do with the information. 576 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,400 Are we going to change? 577 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,120 And it sounds like you've done a lot of work in neuroscience 578 00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:51,600 or studying neuroscience. 579 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:52,880 Yeah, I just like to read. 580 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,280 I pick up the reading and then it's not even 581 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,520 one book that teaches you it. 582 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,480 But once you read multiple books, the information from A 583 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,960 starts to correlate with the information from B. 584 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,000 And once you get in this habit of reading, 585 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,680 the dots start to connect themselves. 586 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,440 So even if you haven't picked up the book that you referenced 587 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,360 to in a long time, once you get on that thought pattern, 588 00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:16,480 the neurological pathway lights up again. 589 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,640 And once it lights up, it's going that way 590 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,000 and it's going in that direction. 591 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:25,480 So that's when you can increase the amount of epiphanies 592 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,440 that you receive. 593 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,000 Because if anybody that's listening 594 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,360 doesn't know what an epiphany is, 595 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:34,440 it's like it's a sudden idea or a thought 596 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:35,840 that you feel drawn to. 597 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,520 And your body has an emotional connection to it 598 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,480 and you don't know where it came from. 599 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,240 It's not random, but it's something 600 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,880 that your subconscious mind was working on 601 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,840 before you even realized it or if you ever realized it at all. 602 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,720 And that's kind of like how my story was with coming here. 603 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,800 I had an epiphany to just want to go to USC. 604 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,880 I'm not sure what I was picking up over the years or growing up, 605 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,080 but ended up sparking at the right time. 606 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:08,840 But once you build the familiarity with the things 607 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,560 that you really love to do, it starts to work for you 608 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:13,600 and not against you. 609 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,920 And I think that's another thing that people fall into often 610 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,840 is when they think they're going to their calling 611 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,120 and they start to shut out every other option 612 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:25,440 to move on to a new path. 613 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:31,920 It becomes very troubling to stay on point. 614 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,440 And then they start to question themselves. 615 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,360 And the way that they question themselves isn't, OK, 616 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:38,280 how can I do better? 617 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,280 But it's like, what am I doing wrong? 618 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,560 And once you start to ask your body what you're doing wrong, 619 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,000 the brain is now trying to protect itself. 620 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:52,200 Because it's like, what am I doing wrong? 621 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,760 The brain sends a message to the body saying, oh, something's 622 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:56,320 going on here. 623 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,400 Something's not right. 624 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,040 And it starts trying to correct things 625 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,800 that don't need to be corrected. 626 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,120 So if we can change the way that we question ourselves, 627 00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:11,680 we can improve our ways to look for a new path. 628 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,080 And it doesn't even necessarily have to be a new path 629 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,880 to a new goal or a new direction. 630 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,160 But it just has to say you're walking down a street 631 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,440 that you usually walk on and it's construction going on 632 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,080 there. 633 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,080 I can take a right and then take a left on the next street 634 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,760 and take another left and go straight 635 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,680 and I'll be back on the right path. 636 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,840 So sometimes we have to break off into these ventures 637 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,520 to learn this new information to see what life is all about. 638 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,720 And I like you say that because there's two things that 639 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,160 come to mind for me. 640 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,000 The thought is that sometimes we have 641 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,440 to retrain the brain. 642 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,960 So we can be on a path that is like a destructive behavior. 643 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,480 And so how do we learn? 644 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,360 In fact, I'm listening to the audio book Power of Habit. 645 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:55,800 And it talks about that. 646 00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:00,520 We have to develop the beginning and the end, the reward 647 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,840 and the initiative part can be the same. 648 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,400 But it's the pattern in the middle that needs to be changed. 649 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,760 So what's the new habit? 650 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,840 What's a new way of doing things? 651 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,320 Because there might be bad habits such as running late 652 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,040 or procrastinating. 653 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,720 OK, what's the new habit that I can develop into it? 654 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,720 So I think that with the power of the mind, 655 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,040 we have the opportunity to re-change or reprogram, 656 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,520 retrain the brain into thinking new things and in new ways. 657 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,160 And I think that that's important. 658 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,760 And I also agree with you that it's also important to be 659 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,680 open to new opportunities because sometimes our paths, 660 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,720 we're so focused and we think there's only one way 661 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,200 to get to the goal, we could be missing out 662 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,000 on a better opportunity. 663 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,960 And so as they say, when one door closes, another door opens. 664 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,320 And so to be open to say yes, there's 665 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,760 a saying that I learned that Trojans say yes. 666 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,680 And so I think that is really cool. 667 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,840 Because when we say yes to new experiences 668 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,800 and go in without any preconceived ideas 669 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,160 or expectations of when are I going to get out of it, 670 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,520 just like I'm going to go and I'm going to show up. 671 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,440 And then go and show if you want to say. 672 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,120 And I think that that will help people 673 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,360 have better experiences that will then 674 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,280 lead to new opportunities. 675 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,880 And I remember hearing the story of a lawyer who lost his job. 676 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,360 And he had a family. 677 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,200 And so he was hustling. 678 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,320 He was working a catering job to put food 679 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,440 on the table for his family. 680 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,680 And this is a lawyer. 681 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,320 You don't think of that. 682 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,320 And he said that that was a great experience. 683 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:45,640 Because that job led him to a contact at a party of a person 684 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,880 and they're looking for a new lawyer to hire. 685 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,640 And he would not have known that if he had only been in that. 686 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,360 So now his life and his mindset, his neuro paths 687 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,960 have now gone to have more empathy for people 688 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,440 who have lost their job, have learned 689 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,960 to show more humility to people in the service industry. 690 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,760 So he has now grown as a person. 691 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,240 And ended up on the same path that he was on before. 692 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:10,740 Exactly. 693 00:30:10,740 --> 00:30:11,920 He ended up to the same goal. 694 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,720 And if I may share a quick story. 695 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:14,200 I'm listening. 696 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,120 So one of my, the reason why I work 697 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,520 for the Angels and the Dodgers is 698 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,840 because I had wanted to train athletes in the speaking 699 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:20,680 skills. 700 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:21,880 And that didn't happen. 701 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:22,680 It didn't happen. 702 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,800 I'm like, OK, I have to move forward. 703 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,640 And so I come back here. 704 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,440 And now I'm working with athletes. 705 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,120 And I thought, wow, this is just so cool. 706 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,360 From my experience, from my faith experience, 707 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,480 to see how the desire in my heart 708 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,120 to work with athletes has come true in a whole different way. 709 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,040 Yes. 710 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,920 And so I look at it. 711 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,840 And I'm like, wow, some of these student athletes 712 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,320 have the potential of becoming Olympic, Olympians, 713 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:55,320 and gold medalists, and MVP, and stuff like that. 714 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,120 I'm like, oh, that's so cool that I 715 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,920 had the opportunity to be a touch 716 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,480 point in their life in communication. 717 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,720 So I just think of that. 718 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,080 We often think there's only one way to get to my goal. 719 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,280 And it has to be my way. 720 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,840 And sometimes we have to just let go of our own ways 721 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,680 and be open to the way life comes about. 722 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:19,480 For me, let go of my ways and let God's ways come into play. 723 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,640 Another thing I've been learning to reiterate 724 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,600 what you were talking about is that now when I see a problem, 725 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,840 instead of attacking it directly, 726 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,640 I try to solve problems by attacking them indirectly. 727 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:33,640 How so? 728 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,000 What can I do? 729 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,040 The thought process that goes is, OK, 730 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,120 I wish I had an example. 731 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,240 So let me see if I can think of one. 732 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,440 So say I'm having a problem. 733 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,440 I guess you could say writing a paper. 734 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,480 You would think if I just sit at the computer long enough, 735 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,160 an idea will come. 736 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,600 But no, that's not how it works. 737 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,560 And the paper isn't due in the next five minutes. 738 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:57,880 So you'll be fine. 739 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:03,240 And so I'll try to get up and go around. 740 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,280 Or just walk around, go outside, listen to some music, 741 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,240 watch a video, go get active, go play sports. 742 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:14,240 Do everything except writing a paper. 743 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,520 And once I take myself out of the mind state 744 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,600 of just straining the idea and straining the thought, 745 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,320 it pops back up and it just comes to me. 746 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:27,280 So a lot of times when we think that we're 747 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,040 pushing and grinding, pushing for what we think is right 748 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,520 and what we think is wrong or whatever, 749 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:38,080 we're pushing our goals further away. 750 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:44,760 And when we're pushing our goals further away, 751 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,120 it's almost like we become frustrated. 752 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,120 Yeah, I could see that. 753 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,040 And once we become frustrated, that's when we give up. 754 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,760 But it's almost like the idea of the diamond miner 755 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,880 is he's hidden away, hidden away for hours, for days, 756 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,120 for months. 757 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,560 And he just gives up. 758 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,920 But he doesn't know on the other side was one more hit 759 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,000 and you could have did it. 760 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,480 So sometimes we just need a break 761 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,000 to walk away from our goals like the lawyer did indirectly. 762 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,600 But we need to walk away from our goals 763 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,680 and let the universe do its work on us so we can come back. 764 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,320 The universe isn't going to put a problem on you 765 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,920 that you can't handle. 766 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,320 But sometimes it will. 767 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,920 And we have to be in the right mind 768 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,440 to be able to walk away but not quit. 769 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,960 And what I like about your example about the paper 770 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,120 and getting frustrated, oftentimes we 771 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,560 will try to push our way through it. 772 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,720 And sometimes that's where we need to, 773 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,600 as Elsa says, is let it go. 774 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,040 Let it go, let it go. 775 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,560 And when we let it go and we're able to take a break, 776 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,840 as you say, and go and do something else, 777 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,000 it's giving our mind that time to renew and refresh 778 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,000 and restore and new ideas. 779 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,000 So if you go and play that video game and you're playing, 780 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,560 I could see an epiphany come. 781 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,320 Like, oh, wow, I hadn't thought about it 782 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:04,280 from this perspective. 783 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,360 Now you're refreshed and you're renewed 784 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,720 and you're ready to go back into that paper. 785 00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:11,920 The one thing that your example also reminds me of 786 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,240 is the importance that we need to take time. 787 00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:18,000 And one of your other, I forget her name, 788 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,640 had mentioned about having alone time. 789 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,320 We need to have downtime. 790 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,160 And taking that break becomes that downtime. 791 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,240 If this paper is due, I know it's due, 792 00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:29,840 what am I going to do? 793 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,400 And so, okay, I'm gonna take a break and then come back. 794 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,720 It's also setting that boundary so that the break 795 00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:38,520 doesn't become a form of procrastination. 796 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,840 And just also learning to be kind and gentle to yourself. 797 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,160 I like what you said earlier about, 798 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,640 oh, what did I do wrong? 799 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,640 You know, like people tell me, Stephanie, 800 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,360 you've got a lot going on. 801 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,160 Just give yourself grace. 802 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,320 You know, like learn to develop. 803 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,680 So that's my new mindset, new neuro pathway. 804 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,960 I'm like, okay, I'm okay. 805 00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:02,200 I'm safe, I'm doing the best I can. 806 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,880 This is good, as opposed to what did I do wrong. 807 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,080 And so that then, what I'm finding is that when I have 808 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,480 that positive self-talk in a negative situation, 809 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,320 it's an open me up to be more creative 810 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,640 because I don't have all that negativity in me anymore. 811 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,400 And I do feel a lot more freedom in that. 812 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:23,640 So I think that that's good. 813 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,520 Because it's easy to say, what did I do wrong? 814 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,320 As opposed to just saying, well, that's their perspective. 815 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,440 And I think also it's important, as I mentioned, 816 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,720 I like to connect with people. 817 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,480 That it's important to connect with people 818 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,360 when we're having some roadblocks 819 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,400 because they will offer perspectives. 820 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,440 And sometimes we want people to say, oh, you're right. 821 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,320 Instead, they'll say, well, wait a minute, 822 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,800 what about that perspective? 823 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,120 I'm like, that's right. 824 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,040 So that's also, I think, a way of retraining our brains 825 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,440 that when we listen, when we are open to get feedback, 826 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,720 so feedback is an important part of listening to. 827 00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:00,200 So in giving communication, we share our thoughts, 828 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,120 we listen to what is shared, 829 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,200 and part of listening is receiving feedback. 830 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,000 So when someone is willing to be honest and say, 831 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,960 oh, what about this perspective of why this happened? 832 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,320 I'm like, okay, that helps. 833 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,440 Because now my mind is getting out of that rut of negativity 834 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,840 and it's almost like filling the pothole. 835 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,040 So now I can walk over that pothole 836 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,840 because the pathway is smooth. 837 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:25,680 And I'm like, okay. 838 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,600 And so I think that that's really how it helps. 839 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,560 Like the brain is just, you know, 840 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:34,560 it's just such a powerful muscle in our body 841 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,320 that we don't really take, 842 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,560 we don't recognize the power the brain has 843 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,840 in retraining our way of thinking, 844 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,960 and then not only retraining our way of thinking, 845 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,320 but retraining the way we do based on what we think. 846 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,720 And then another thing where you were talking about 847 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:52,120 just saying yes and going. 848 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:52,960 Yes. 849 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,920 It's, there's a new way of thinking I'm trying to pick up 850 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,960 is if I don't like it, I can leave. 851 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,040 Oh, that's awesome. 852 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,800 We're never stuck, like, 853 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,440 we're not as stuck as we make ourselves out to be. 854 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,120 So we're like, oh, if I do this, then I have to do that. 855 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,760 Like we're coming up with these scenarios 856 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:09,920 that haven't even happened 857 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,560 because you haven't even decided to take any type of action. 858 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,200 So what I try to do now is if I want to go somewhere, 859 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,160 I say, okay, it's gonna cost X amount of dollars. 860 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,360 Oh, okay. 861 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,800 It's not like, even if I don't have the money myself, 862 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,480 it's not like I'm not gonna be able to get back home. 863 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,440 I'm gonna be able to get back home from wherever I go. 864 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,160 So how about I just go and if I don't like it, 865 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,320 I can simply just come back. 866 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,160 That's a great idea. 867 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,880 But at least I got out and tried it. 868 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:37,720 Exactly. 869 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:39,560 To give my brain the reassurance 870 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,560 that it's okay to do things that are new 871 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,920 and it's okay to step out and not shut everything out 872 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,320 because of all these different scenarios 873 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,760 that have come up with that 874 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:53,280 probably weren't gonna happen anyway. 875 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,600 Right, exactly. 876 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,520 Exactly. 877 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:56,360 Yeah. 878 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,180 It's cool. 879 00:37:57,180 --> 00:37:58,020 Yeah. 880 00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:01,360 I don't know, is that all you? 881 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,480 Yeah, I just, I've enjoyed this opportunity 882 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:09,160 to speak to you and listen to your perspective. 883 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,960 It was such an honor. 884 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,600 This was like a yes moment for me. 885 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,440 Yeah. 886 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,560 And you're probably like, is she gonna say yes 887 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:15,960 or is she gonna say no 888 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,120 because I wanted to do my research. 889 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,160 So when you sent me the podcast, I listened to it 890 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,000 and as I shared, it was such an honor, first of all, 891 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,720 when you were in the ELC and you came up, 892 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:29,240 the first second we could pass, like, 893 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:31,160 hey, would you be willing to be on my podcast? 894 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,400 I'm like, wow. 895 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,880 That really lifted up my spirits. 896 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:36,720 Yes. 897 00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:38,320 It was something else going on in my life 898 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,760 and like, wow, it just showed that who I am 899 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,280 and what I say can add value. 900 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,160 And so then when we connected, I thought, 901 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,820 well, let me listen first to make sure 902 00:38:47,820 --> 00:38:51,920 that what I have to say matches with what your topic is. 903 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,520 And then when I was listening, I'm like, 904 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,560 wow, this is so cool. 905 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,720 Austin thought of me for this opportunity 906 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:01,520 because you've had such powerful people 907 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,400 with incredible life stories, just sharing their journeys 908 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,880 and having conversations like the gift to communicate 909 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,880 and share experiences, which is so powerful. 910 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,660 And so that's why I really appreciated the opportunity 911 00:39:13,660 --> 00:39:16,240 and I said, yes, it is an honor to come 912 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:20,480 and be part of your podcast, to support you, 913 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,400 to support our audience, and to encourage 914 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,200 those who are listening the way those who have been 915 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,520 on your show have encouraged me. 916 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,240 Just to remember the things that we talked about, 917 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,160 there's power in listening, there's power 918 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,520 in the way we think things, there's power in saying yes, 919 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,640 and there's power of getting to know people 920 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,520 who are different from us because that is 921 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:49,160 what is going to really be the opportunity 922 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,400 to get rid of anger and hate and learn to love 923 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,320 and honor and respect more. 924 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,880 And I'll end with this quote from Dr. Henry Cloud. 925 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,800 He says, the one way to resolve conflict, 926 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,720 the best way is to listen. 927 00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:06,600 Because when you listen and then you can actively listen 928 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,640 by resharing back, then it shows that you have 929 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,200 respect and understanding, and that's what people want. 930 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,720 They want to know they're being heard 931 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:16,640 and they want to know that they're being valued. 932 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,280 So I want to say thank you for your time. 933 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,440 Thank you for letting me share my thoughts 934 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,760 and thank you for valuing my perspective 935 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,120 and as you're coming back. 936 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,160 And I wish you the best. 937 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,560 I look forward to other future guests 938 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:31,880 that you'll have on your show. 939 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,160 So stay strong and fight on. 940 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,000 Thank you. 941 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,480 Okay, if you're still tuned in, this is a bonus clip 942 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:43,360 from when me and Dr. Stephanie's podcast ended. 943 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,360 Feel free to listen. 944 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,880 All right, it should be back on, here we go. 945 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:48,800 All right, so you know what? 946 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,280 When we were talking about learning new things, 947 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,200 I just think of what happened here. 948 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,560 When I came in, you had mentioned that you were working 949 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,000 on this new program called Adacity. 950 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,080 And I said, oh wow, I know Adacity. 951 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,320 And so I here was getting to teach you new things. 952 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,160 And here I'm impressed by the fact 953 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,160 that you're willing to teach. 954 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,560 So to me, Austin, you're a person who walks the talk. 955 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,520 You're able to try new things and say, 956 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,520 let's just do it, if it doesn't work, it's okay. 957 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,320 And so I think that's what's so cool. 958 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,160 Then we ran into a problem because the adapter. 959 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,000 To the microphones. 960 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,240 Yeah, it didn't work on your. 961 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:27,080 Macbook. 962 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,640 Yeah, so I went over, I'm like, okay, we need help. 963 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,240 So I'm gonna use my connections. 964 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:34,360 And I went over next door and I went to ITS 965 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,040 and I said, hey, how do I do this? 966 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,720 And then he pulled it apart and I'm like, 967 00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:39,440 oh my goodness, there's a solution. 968 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,960 So we came in and we're using a new equipment. 969 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:44,800 A new app. 970 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:45,680 A new app. 971 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,000 And it all came together. 972 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,640 And see, that's the idea of learning to walk 973 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,840 in the freedom of doing things new. 974 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,800 So now you've got a new experience 975 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,000 and you've got new equipment. 976 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:58,840 Oh, this is beautiful, this is nice. 977 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,080 And you have a new way of seeing. 978 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,280 So hopefully this example will be encouragement 979 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,360 to other listeners. 980 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,960 Yeah, anybody that wants to start anything, 981 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:07,800 just go for it. 982 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:08,640 Go for it. 983 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,600 And it'll build on itself through the years 984 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,120 because, well, not even through the years, 985 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:12,960 through the months. 986 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,520 I started this at the beginning of August, 987 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,040 right before, yeah, July 31st was my first episode 988 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,800 and I started through August. 989 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,880 And I was just using the voice memos on my iPad. 990 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:23,720 But look at this. 991 00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:24,560 I know, this is awesome. 992 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:25,800 I got a new computer. 993 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,120 I found a new app by just getting here early 994 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,560 and doing some research on how to clear up white noise. 995 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,760 And I ended up finding an entirely new free tool 996 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,240 because they try to make you pay for this stuff. 997 00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:36,080 I'm not doing that. 998 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:36,920 I'm not doing it. 999 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,040 No, no, you shouldn't have to. 1000 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:38,880 So yeah, I got this. 1001 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,240 And that's beautiful. 1002 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:43,800 Anything you guys wanna do, just jump into the water. 1003 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,040 The moment you feel this most scary to jump, 1004 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,120 that's when you jump in. 1005 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,280 Yeah, and also remember to take someone's hand 1006 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,280 when you jump because this came about 1007 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,200 because we worked together. 1008 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,560 You need to go and ask people out there for help too 1009 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,120 because there are people who have information. 1010 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,360 As they say in business, if you wanna go fast, 1011 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,840 you go alone, but if you wanna go farther, go with others. 1012 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,280 So build your community. 1013 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,720 Austin is one of them. 1014 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:13,560 I'm one of them. 1015 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,560 If you see me in Marshall, if you see me in Annenberg, 1016 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,360 send me, say hi or even just shoot an email like, 1017 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,000 hey, can we connect? 1018 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,560 I'd love to be able to be here 1019 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,080 because we are part of this Trojan family 1020 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,240 and we're part of the world that has been created 1021 00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:31,640 and we're here to help and support one another. 1022 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,280 So with that, we wish you the best 1023 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,520 and we love and appreciate you all. 1024 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,720 You are worthy of love, you are valued 1025 00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:42,360 and your voice has value too. 1026 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,320 So stay strong, peace out. 1027 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,720 I like that one, I like that cut. 1028 00:43:46,720 --> 00:44:01,720 Thank you so much.