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Oh, for already? I completely forgot my train of thought. So To Catch a Killer came out in
2023, so it's pretty recent this year. I was watching it on Hulu. It starts with a
chick from Divergent, which is the only way I found out what the name of this
one was. I forgot what it was called. It was written by Sepharon and Jonathan
Wakeham. I don't know, is it Sepharon? Is it the guy from Final Fantasy VII?
Sepharoth? Sepharoth. I did learn something interesting about writing
credit in a movie. If it's the letters A and D, it means that they wrote it
together. And if it's that other one, the symbol, the upper man? The
ampersand? Yeah, the ampersand. It means that they both worked on it separately. So
one wrote it and then one had to rewrite it for the studio. Really? Yeah. I don't know.
Weird. Or it could be the other way around. It could be the upper end is the...
That's what it means for either. That's why it's different. Yeah. And I've always
wondered, like, why do they do that and not that? You know what I mean? Yeah. That's
why. I would think the ampersand would be together. That's what I
thought too, but I guess not. Oh. But I'll look it up again, because I asked
AI model, the Chad GPT. He's like, why do they do that? He's like, oh, it's
simple and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And also fuck you, blah blah.
And then I started saying weird stuff like we're gonna rule the world.
I miss coming. I'm like, what? They're like, oh, nothing, nothing, bro, nothing.
It got real weird. Actually, I can look it up on my reasons. Um, how do I get physically fit
after 65? I don't know why I asked that. I'm not 65 yet. Here we go. Why movies
written by multiple people? What do they say? And after the names? And the other
times it has that symbol. I said when you see the word and listed between the
names of multiple writers for a movie, it typically indicates that those writers
collaborate together to create the screenplay. It suggests that they work
jointly on the script, possibly sharing ideas, writing different parts, or
revising each other's work. On the other hand, when you see an
appersand symbol between the names of multiple writers, it usually implies that
they worked separately on the different versions of the drafts of the screenplay.
So cool. Good to know. Didn't know that. Always nice to learn something new. I was happy.
Right? Because now you'll be looking for that too. Yeah, like who wrote it and who
rewrote it because the one who wrote it fucked it up. Every Marvel movie took the
ampersand. The first one is the one that wrote it and the second one
revised it and the third one really fucked it up. Whoever fucked it up.
Whoever laughed is the one that fucked it up probably. Yeah. Right, so this movie follows this
cop. So basically it starts off like, it starts off beautifully. Like the first
two-thirds of this movie was a master class in suspenseful mystery writing.
The last part was like, boo. Fucking boo. Boo! Boo I say. To your children boo.
And the desperation of boo. Your whole family would boo until the day your gene dies.
Like, why does he got boo in his ass? Just keep walking. He's crazy.
Unto your whole generation henceforth. Just like every time one of them dies, they just put boo on their tombstone.
I'll live them all. Boo! So the first two-thirds is fucking a master class in mystery writing.
So it just like, it just pops off, right? People are like, it's like, it's some holiday or some
celebration and there's fireworks all over the city. I think it's Chicago but I'm not sure.
It's like one of those really condensed cities with like a lot of skyscrapers. So it's like one of
those like Chicago, it's not New York for sure. It's probably Chicago then. Yeah, or maybe
Philadelphia but I don't think so. It's just a really dense city. So everyone's having a great time.
Like, oh nice! And then all of a sudden you see one person fucking drop. You're like, oh shit!
And then you see another person at a different party fucking drop. And then you see a guy skating
on some ring and he fucking blobs too. And then you realize some motherfuckers sniping people,
just left and right. He's just going off. I'm like, oh my god! The way they show it,
this person's just fucking going crazy. People just fucking dropping everywhere. You're like,
God dang! There's a couple in an elevator ride and the husband's like, ah! The wife's like,
oh fuck! So of course the fucking police department all over the fucking city lose their shit. Like,
they got an active shooter. So they're all freaking out. They finally pinpoint the building and they
go up there but they don't catch anybody. When they get there right, the building blows up.
The room where the sniper was at and all the evidence just blows it away. And lo and behold,
he killed 29 people and it's been like a few minutes. He just went ape shit. And accurate.
Yes, that was a big plot point was how accurate and well-trained he'd seemed like. Sniping people
from that altitude with that wind and direction and all that. He was using the fireworks as
camouflage for the sniper shots. Fucking unbelievable. So this guy named Lamarck leads the team and he
used to be from DC, like a heavy hitter in the FBI. But I guess he lost a step or two so they
demoted him. So it's like his last shot to prove himself. And he's a great character and so was the
divergent girl, which I forget her character's name, Eleanor. She's like a police and when they
find the building where the sniper's at, they're all trying to get the people out, like to safety.
And she's like, wait, we got to stop these people and ID them before we get them out. And her doing
that tactic ended up getting her enough cred for Lamarck to add her to his team even though
she's just a beat cop. And so she had the intelligence to say, hey, you might want to notice who's
coming out. Yeah, before you started just letting them all leave. He's like, then the fat cop's like,
the whole place is on fire. They always speak like the fattest man to be a police. I don't know why they do that.
They always make him so ignorant and useless. Like, how did he become a cop? Like, did you, well,
speaking of that, Harvey Bullock was one of those. Yeah. They always made him look stupid. He was a
good detective, wasn't he? Yeah. In the comic books, they redeemed him because he was a really
good detective. But like every time you ever seen him in Batman the Animated Series, he was always
getting fuckin' tripped over. He was just a big whale that would never get out of the way. Man, they did him dirty,
especially in the Batman Begins. Yes. They didn't even redeem him at all. They just made him evil as fuck.
Yeah. So, I don't want to ruin the movie at all for people, but the movie is a phenomenal mystery.
Like, you like, and they do real, like, the writer knew what they were doing. Well, one of them directed it,
so I guess the other one did most of the writing. Damien Ciphron was the one that directed it, so I'm
guessing he got the writer to do more of the writing. Right. There's one great moment where
they're interrogating contractors that had worked on that condo that the killer was at, and you see
Eleanor and them talking, and you keep seeing her look at their shoes, and then look back at them,
and the three suspects, and two of them had really shitty looking shoes, and one of them had really
clean looking shoes, but they all had good alibis, all this and that, right? And you realize that she's
looking to see, you don't realize what she's doing at first. You do realize she's looking at shoes for
some reason, but the context isn't spoken about until like towards the third half of the movie.
You're like, oh, that's why she was looking at his shoes. He has so much cleaner shoes than them,
and he's working as much as they are, and all their shoes are shit because they're working
constantly. It's a weird thing. I can't explain it. It's like a weird detective thing. The best way I
can explain it is like, it's just like deductive reasoning and observation is like she notices
something off by the makeup of their shoes. Well, it's kind of like if you're a detective and somebody
that supposedly works with their hands all the time, but you have no calluses. Right, like that.
Just spells in your head. Yeah. So I want you guys to watch this, so I won't talk much about it,
but I will let you know that the first two thirds, fucking master, please. Like, ah, delicious.
Lamarck's a great character. Eleanor's like, she's like a drug addict, redeemed drug addict,
so she's going through her shit. Lamarck's going through his shit because he's like on his last
chances to prove himself. But then you meet the, I guess I wanted more from the fucking criminal
when they finally find the person. I'm like, oh, he's one of those. Right. Another stereotypical one,
huh? It's going to be, he's going to be like, man. Like, damn. Maybe it's because the way he looks.
I'm like, he does not look like the fucking, because they make him seem like he's such an
efficient killer, like just like on John Wick level. And in my head when I'm watching, I'm like,
is this like, are they trying to show us what it's like to be on the other side of an assassin
like that? Like a person, like we're on this side of a Jason Bourne, you know what I mean? Right.
And not knowing what the fuck is going on with this person. Because at one point, the killer is
at the mall and you still don't see him. You don't see him till the very end of the movie,
what he looks like and or who he is. He's at the mall and he's, he steals someone's clothes from
the dressing room. And then he goes to the bathroom to change. And this one guy gets out,
like he's wearing, he's one of those buff guys with jumpsuit, the fucking jumpsuit,
or not a jumpsuit, like the sweatsuit. Yeah. Like the, like the mafia. You know what I'm talking
about? Like those Adidas ones? Yeah. Yeah. He's like, oh, disgusting, sir. He was all upset because
the guy was changing in the, in the, he was pretty much having like a horse shower in the fucking sink.
And it was made him mad. So he tells the security guard, the security guys go look for him and they
find him in the food, the food court. And he's a, he's a stealing food from like various trays.
But he's just like snatch and like, I'm gonna put it all this and he just takes all his food.
And then the security guys stop him and he's like, please, I just want to leave. I don't want any
trouble. And he fucking kills both of them. Then he goes, then it cuts from there to like an aftermath
scene. Eleanor shows up at the crime scene and there's like smoke everywhere. And there's fucking
dead cops littered all over the floor. I'm like, what the fuck happened? That's another suspense
thing they did was really good. Like you have him having the altercation. And then you have
the aftermath of like a fucking horrific battle that everyone lost, but him apparently. And so
they check the cameras and they see him, but they never, he never shows his face. He's smart enough
to keep his always camera, camera away his face. And then you see that when these, I guess like,
I don't know what kind of mall this is. They had like fucking security guys with guns.
They try to corner him, right? Like they're about to do a pincer attack from either end of the hallway.
He's in the middle like, and like, he just comes out with an ooz and just all of them and just
fucking all four of them just drops him like it's nothing. I'm like, Jesus Christ, who is this guy?
I'm like, Jesus Christ, it's Jason Bourne. And they keep watching the cameras and then you finally
find out what the hell all that smoking, all the dead bodies were about was that the SWAT team was
getting there. The police, I guess they were already on high alert anyway. So any, any situation like
this, they would assume it was him, right? The sniper. So they were going to move quicker.
They get there and he, now this thinking about it now, I realize this does not seem logically
possible or physically possible, but when you see it, you're like, oh, that's amazing. That's amazing.
That's so much that's amazing that he killed a bunch of cops, but it's like the way the tactic
is most amazing, not the execution of said tactic. He takes his shoelace off. He takes a fucking like
handful of grenades. I mean like fucking like nine or 10 of these fucking things. He puts the string
over every, every pin of the grenade. He grabs them all. He puts them into the trash and he pulls all
the pins. And now that I think about it, like, how the fuck would you be able to do that?
Cause you had to hold down, it takes like force to pull a pin out of a grenade. Right. They're not
easy to pull out. That's why they say you can't really put out with your fucking teeth. You'll
lose a tooth. So how did he hold them down and pull them all out with the, you know what I mean?
Like unless it pulled them as single each one. No, like, no, like in a row, not like all with the
same force, but I'm saying like he has to hold them down. How do you keep them? How do you keep
all the grenades from coming up with the, oh, okay. Yeah. How the fuck did he hold them down?
And then pull them up. Yeah. That's like fucking 10 of them. You'd have to like fucking put it your
whole arm. Right. Right. So when I think about it now, I'm like, how the fuck did he pull all those
motherfuckers out? And it, it, it broke. I'll be honest with you broke with that. I'm like, wait a
minute, man, no God dang way. You pulled out 10, 10 pins from 10 grenades in one fell swoop. Yeah.
Cause you had to hold down every grenade to hold the pin in. So that you know what I mean? And
they pulled the pin out. So he fucked me up on that one, but he pulls them out and then he fucking
walks off. And that's like the whole squad team gets up there. Fucking boom. Like fucking 15 cops
dead. I'm like, fuck this is Jason Bourne. Aside from that weird magic power he has to telekinetically
hold down grenades. Yeah. I remember I got to see it again to see how he did it, but thinking about
it now, like there's no fucking way to pull out 10 grenades. Like how do you, how would you even do
that? Like how do you hold them all down at once? Yeah. Unless, unless you only need to hold down one.
Well on top of that, I guess you could hold down one. And then when you pull it, cause they're on
the pin, right? Oh, I guess it is possible. Cause like if they're on a, on a, on a string and then
you, you hold down the bottom when you're pulling as hard as you can, the only thing that'll come
up at the pins and not the grenades, they'll fall back down. Oh, it is physically possible.
Yeah. But where are they the grenades that have a little paddle on them? No, they're the ones with
like the, the pin pin. Yeah. And I know what you're talking about, but you still have that little trigger
but the holder. Yeah. I think they all have that. Cause I'm saying, don't you have to hold that
slightly together still when you pull the pin? No, it's only to, uh, it's only to, uh, to keep it
from exploding. Once you take the pins off, the thing I'm saying, don't you have to like be holding
it to pull the pennies? Oh, pull it out. That's a good question. Actually. I'm not a grenade expert
is a problem. I'm not either, but you might have a point. Like, I don't know. Like when you pull the
pin, you got to hold the candle down until it comes out. Right. Right. Or would that create more
resistance? You know what I mean? And they pull from the side, right? Yeah. So it's still, I guess
it still wouldn't be logically possible. No. Cause if you have all the, like, cause you were saying
like with the paddles facing him, right? Maybe. Yeah. I don't even know. Like the way, how would
you pull? Right. That wouldn't make a lot of sense to me. I'll go get some grenades.
You said that somebody died. I can't remember where it was, but somebody died because they sent, uh,
might've been Russia. One of their leaders or something. It sounds like Russia, Russia or Ukraine.
One of them got sent a, a box of memorabilia grenades or something like that, or like collectible
ones that weren't real, but there was a real one placed in there to kill him. Yeah. On purpose.
Yeah. And he died recently. Yeah. It's like, I like to pull the pin. I wouldn't even take,
if I open a box with grenades, I'd be like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. I guess it wouldn't be,
I don't know. I guess it wouldn't be possible how he did that. Cause it wouldn't make,
like again, suspension of disbelief. Too late.
I'm almost like Neil, the crazy Tyson just ruining my whole life. Oh, that motherfucker
getting on there and trying to ruin the movies. It's like, yeah, fuck you. Do you like this movie?
Well, guess what? He ruined one about New York or something like that. I don't know where it
feels the Avengers or something like that, but he got on there. Well, it would have to be this time
of the year because the sun comes through the building to this certain specific angle. It's
like, bro, just, it must suck to be that smart. It was like, damn, no, it must suck to be that
big of a douche bag. You ain't got to tell everybody every little damn thing or you really wouldn't
want the power of flight because of this. And it's like, let people dream like a movie. It's a movie.
Yeah. But sometimes like people like me, like, I know it's a movie, right? But like,
like you got to hold me there though. Like I can watch Marvel movies all day long, right?
The special, especially never broken because I know, you know, it's Marvel, right? But for like
something grounded, like what I do from like this one, it's a little hard. I get that. I get that.
The grenades. You got a superhero movie. You're already, you're in a suspension of disbelief
regardless. Yeah. Yeah. They have powers like, okay, fine. But he'll go through and fucking try
to ruin that. It's like, bro, I guess I get your point there. Like he removes that should not be
ruined because even though reason, even because you're watching them from the suspension of
disbelief anyway, cause you know, it's not real, right? Like it's not even the fact that it ruins
the movie for people where they're not saying like, I didn't think of it that way. You know,
that I like it, that wouldn't be physically possible. No, that that's not the point. It's
like, bro, just you're saying she nobody cares about you're telling us about stuff. And like,
he said something about vibranium. Well, if it was to ricochet in that way, it wouldn't actually
work and blah, blah, blah. It's like, it's not a real metal. So like, bro, it doesn't exist.
We don't care. And then doesn't Unumtanium exist? Yeah. Of all the ones that can exist,
they'd be vibranium over Unumtanium. Or adamantite and all that other kind of stuff. It's like,
bro, like we know this is all fake. We know it's fake. Like you telling us is like somebody coming
up and like you telling like a fake story that she knows not real. And then they say, you know,
that wouldn't really happen. Right? Well, no shit, Sherlock. Why do you want a story?
Like, bro, we know it's fake. That's the whole point. Like somebody coming up and saying like,
Sherlock Holmes didn't exist. It's a damn lie. You need a real person.
He had to be there's no way. We're saying Frankenstein didn't exist. It's like,
well, you haven't walked down the south side in a while. I've seen some people said,
oh, the monster. You ever seen enough crack heads? Oh, man.
Do you got any crack? You know what the funniest one of the funniest lies from all we study in
Philadelphia was like, Mac was asking Dennis, like, Dennis, like, what is the thing in this life that
you want more than anything? Like, like, if you could have it right now, what would it be like
anything? Right? He's pretty something like, you know, some dreamlike, like, answer. Right?
Yeah. And Dennis looks from dead in the eye like crack. I want some crack. Because like,
many episodes ago, many seasons ago, that Mac, no, Dennis and his sister D, they were like,
upset about the welfare system. They were going to take advantage of it by becoming crack heads.
And they get they became crack heads. And then they got they got they got in the rehab and they
fixed themselves. Right? So the fact that Dennis said crack, of all things, all these years later,
just goes to show you how much he loved crack. He wants crack. It's still it's still handsome to this day.
Crack. Oh, that's a good stuff. That's character development right there. Yeah. All these years.
And you still continue that. A huge callback to an earlier season.
And then Max like crack cocaine. Crack cocaine. You don't have anything. It's great. He shakes
it like crack. He didn't hesitate at all. I want some crack. Why you've been fighting that urge
for years? That he's still fighting it to this day. So wow. So ending of the movie?
Bo. Bo. Bo. So spoilers. No spoilers. Come on. Not today. I feel like I'll spoil this like a mystery.
Or should I? Like do they care? Probably not. Anyway, that's okay. From this moment, spoilers
if you do not want to hear it. All right. So spoilers from here on out. And I'll put a time
thing on the in the video to say when you can listen again if you don't want to hear the ending
of this. All right. So Lamarck and Eleanor because they haven't done enough headway in the
investigation, they get suspended. And Lamarck's like, fuck that. We're going to find this killer.
Eleanor's feeling the same way. So they go to that guy with the shoes I was talking about.
And it turns out that the reason he's so clean cut and so like rich, even though he's like
taking more jobs than he can ever actually handle with his workforce. And she finds out because
he's got this secret list of people that he can hire under the table to do work. So he's able to
take more jobs because of them. And on this secret list is the killer. He was on there. And so she
asked him his name, where he worked. He's like, he finally has to give in because he doesn't want to
go to jail. But he didn't want to give in the first time because he didn't want to get killed
by the guy just in case. Yeah. So they find out that he used to work at a butcher, a butcher shop
or a like an actual like butcher factory. And they go out of the way to show you a little bit
of the butcher process. You're like, oh, God, Jesus. And you find that they find the guy,
they go to his house and they find his mother there. And the story goes that he used to be a
great kid, this and that. But they used to go out shooting. And they told me to go out and get the
targets or whatever. And they forgot he was out there. So they fucking blasted him by accident,
the mom and dad. So he ended up getting like brain trauma. They like messed up his brain chemistry.
Yeah. And he was never the same again. He was a super loner, a super like away from people.
And he loved it when COVID was around because he felt like he was like a nomad that can just
travel the whole city with no people. So and so I guess one day society just got too much for him.
Pretty much a Ted Kaczynski type, like the Unabomber. That's why I was disappointed.
Like, oh, so it's just this story again. Yeah. And he just decided to go on a killing spree.
And it's weird too. Like, like he's in this little clubhouse, this little tree house in the
distance, right. And Eleanor notices that he's in there because she freaks out. And she tells
Lamarck and Lamarck's like tries to pull his gun out and fucking gets blown away, killed instantly.
So all his character is gone in an instant. Like the whole character that you invested in him,
right? It's just dead. Well, shit, it goes to Lamarck. And the mom's like, goes out there to
talk to her son. And he's like, David, I think his name is David or not, I forgot. But he's like,
either you go with the police or you come with me. And she blows her brains out. Right there in the
middle of the fucking yard. I'm like, God dang. That one didn't surprise me. And then David comes
out, goes into the house, has Eleanor at gunpoint. They start to talking. It almost seems like the
whole solution to his problems from what I'm getting as I'm hearing them talk, right, is that
all he needed to do was get laid. And he would have been okay. I'm dead serious. That's what it
sounded like to me. Especially when the cops get there, right, because they heard the gunshot.
And he freaks out and he takes her to like this underground building underneath the tree house,
where he has all his fucking like master plans and shit. And he ties her up. And like, he's trying to
commit, she's trying to commit, because they're like similar in a way. Because she's dealt with
that stuff too, like not liking society and feeling like he didn't belong anywhere, all this and that.
So that's why actually Lamarck hired her, because he felt like she had the same mental, but she
she went to the side of the police. He lost his fucking mind. And she keeps like, he ends up like
zip tying her to like this pipe. And he keeps walking around getting supplies and shit about
to run away. And she gives like trying to get him to stay with her. And she was like pushing up her
body against his like, stay with me. Don't worry, we can do this together. You'll be fine. And I'm
like, so this is what we're gonna boil it down to. You just need to get laid. And you're pretending
to like, you know, it understands. Basically saying he's an insult. That's yes, 100% what the hell was
going on. That's what that was the whole, that's what I was like, well damn, they didn't do a good
like enough like something interesting. Yeah. And he just ends up getting fucking blasted. She actually
fucking takes a bite out of his neck. Like a fucking vampire. Yeah, like she takes a whole fucking chunk
of his neck. He's like, like right at the jugular too. She legit almost fucking killed him right then
and there. And he didn't, he's like, he decided not to shoot her though. He ends up running away.
I would have not even for survival, I'd never bite somebody. What if they got like some disease?
And I'm still alive, but I'm crippled for life. You know what I mean? It's scoliosis.
So he ends up, he ends up like trying to like run away, but he's losing too much blood. The cops find
him. He's sitting like in front of some like tanker truck or one of those like big metallic like
storage containers that they ship out like shipping containers or something. He ends up like just some
middle of the fucking snowy ass field. And the cops get there and he's like, they're like, damn it,
put it up. He's like, well, this is all I got left. He fucking pulls his gun up and they, of course,
they fucking blow him away. Yeah. Like fucking 600 shots. Fucking reloading and shot him again.
And that's it. That's the end of the movie. Yeah. I see why you didn't like the ending too much.
I was expecting something like interesting, not another like same old mindset killer.
Yeah. So for anybody that skipped ahead, it's like, yeah, I definitely see why. Let's see why
there's the boo. If it's, if it's, I was feeling like a joker level villain. And no, no. Plus like
the level of his training, even how he was trained is not equivalent to what he did. Right. And there's
no like, like, because, uh, I guess we're still in spoiler territory, but, uh, his mother said that
his father trained him to join the army. So he got all these like survival skills from his dad.
But like, I wouldn't his dad, a special, I guess maybe that was a special force. I don't know what
the fuck, but he was like on like John Wick, John Jason, like he doesn't have the training. Like,
not like, like, not like that. Like John Wick was a world-class assassin with like a year,
years of training. Right. And he retired. That was the whole point. Jane, the more was a C.I. was a
spy. Right. For years. And this guy was just like a farm boy got trained by his dad to shoot. And
all of a sudden he's still using people down in the fucking mall. He's got like 15 grenades.
I see why the boo boo. All right. Anything else that before we head out on this one
and be like, if I took karate, right. And then I took like a couple of like shooting,
like the shooting range and all of a sudden I'm fucking just a high level assassin. You know what
I mean? Would make no fucking sense. Missions at all. I'm shooting people through people's
people's in their fucking people's people's in their fucking door. Right.
They like to make it feel like that when you play Metal Gear Solid 3. Yeah. There's a scene where
you're walking to this like a limbo and all these people that you've killed throughout the, but by
the way, if you don't kill anybody, no one shows up. But all these people you killed throughout
the game, right. It's something like, well, you shot me in the dick because they didn't, they knew kids.
Yeah. They were playing Metal Gear Solid 3. So they just started fucking blasting people in the cock.
That was kind of funny. It'd be really awkward if you never did. It was like, yeah, I never did. I'm
like, what the hell? I never shot you in the dick. You liar. But then you realize how many people you
actually killed. You're like, oh fuck. Yeah. All right. Well, with that, we will see you guys on
the next one. Bow. Boo. I say it to your entire family. And generations.