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Oh, for already? I completely forgot my train of thought. So To Catch a Killer came out in

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2023, so it's pretty recent this year. I was watching it on Hulu. It starts with a

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chick from Divergent, which is the only way I found out what the name of this

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one was. I forgot what it was called. It was written by Sepharon and Jonathan

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Wakeham. I don't know, is it Sepharon? Is it the guy from Final Fantasy VII?

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Sepharoth? Sepharoth. I did learn something interesting about writing

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credit in a movie. If it's the letters A and D, it means that they wrote it

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together. And if it's that other one, the symbol, the upper man? The

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ampersand? Yeah, the ampersand. It means that they both worked on it separately. So

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one wrote it and then one had to rewrite it for the studio. Really? Yeah. I don't know.

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Weird. Or it could be the other way around. It could be the upper end is the...

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That's what it means for either. That's why it's different. Yeah. And I've always

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wondered, like, why do they do that and not that? You know what I mean? Yeah. That's

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why. I would think the ampersand would be together. That's what I

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thought too, but I guess not. Oh. But I'll look it up again, because I asked

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AI model, the Chad GPT. He's like, why do they do that? He's like, oh, it's

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simple and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And also fuck you, blah blah.

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And then I started saying weird stuff like we're gonna rule the world.

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I miss coming. I'm like, what? They're like, oh, nothing, nothing, bro, nothing.

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It got real weird. Actually, I can look it up on my reasons. Um, how do I get physically fit

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after 65? I don't know why I asked that. I'm not 65 yet. Here we go. Why movies

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written by multiple people? What do they say? And after the names? And the other

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times it has that symbol. I said when you see the word and listed between the

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names of multiple writers for a movie, it typically indicates that those writers

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collaborate together to create the screenplay. It suggests that they work

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jointly on the script, possibly sharing ideas, writing different parts, or

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revising each other's work. On the other hand, when you see an

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appersand symbol between the names of multiple writers, it usually implies that

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they worked separately on the different versions of the drafts of the screenplay.

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So cool. Good to know. Didn't know that. Always nice to learn something new. I was happy.

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Right? Because now you'll be looking for that too. Yeah, like who wrote it and who

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rewrote it because the one who wrote it fucked it up. Every Marvel movie took the

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ampersand. The first one is the one that wrote it and the second one

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revised it and the third one really fucked it up. Whoever fucked it up.

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Whoever laughed is the one that fucked it up probably. Yeah. Right, so this movie follows this

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cop. So basically it starts off like, it starts off beautifully. Like the first

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two-thirds of this movie was a master class in suspenseful mystery writing.

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The last part was like, boo. Fucking boo. Boo! Boo I say. To your children boo.

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And the desperation of boo. Your whole family would boo until the day your gene dies.

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Like, why does he got boo in his ass? Just keep walking. He's crazy.

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Unto your whole generation henceforth. Just like every time one of them dies, they just put boo on their tombstone.

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I'll live them all. Boo! So the first two-thirds is fucking a master class in mystery writing.

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So it just like, it just pops off, right? People are like, it's like, it's some holiday or some

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celebration and there's fireworks all over the city. I think it's Chicago but I'm not sure.

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It's like one of those really condensed cities with like a lot of skyscrapers. So it's like one of

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those like Chicago, it's not New York for sure. It's probably Chicago then. Yeah, or maybe

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Philadelphia but I don't think so. It's just a really dense city. So everyone's having a great time.

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Like, oh nice! And then all of a sudden you see one person fucking drop. You're like, oh shit!

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And then you see another person at a different party fucking drop. And then you see a guy skating

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on some ring and he fucking blobs too. And then you realize some motherfuckers sniping people,

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just left and right. He's just going off. I'm like, oh my god! The way they show it,

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this person's just fucking going crazy. People just fucking dropping everywhere. You're like,

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God dang! There's a couple in an elevator ride and the husband's like, ah! The wife's like,

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oh fuck! So of course the fucking police department all over the fucking city lose their shit. Like,

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they got an active shooter. So they're all freaking out. They finally pinpoint the building and they

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go up there but they don't catch anybody. When they get there right, the building blows up.

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The room where the sniper was at and all the evidence just blows it away. And lo and behold,

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he killed 29 people and it's been like a few minutes. He just went ape shit. And accurate.

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Yes, that was a big plot point was how accurate and well-trained he'd seemed like. Sniping people

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from that altitude with that wind and direction and all that. He was using the fireworks as

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camouflage for the sniper shots. Fucking unbelievable. So this guy named Lamarck leads the team and he

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used to be from DC, like a heavy hitter in the FBI. But I guess he lost a step or two so they

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demoted him. So it's like his last shot to prove himself. And he's a great character and so was the

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divergent girl, which I forget her character's name, Eleanor. She's like a police and when they

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find the building where the sniper's at, they're all trying to get the people out, like to safety.

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And she's like, wait, we got to stop these people and ID them before we get them out. And her doing

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that tactic ended up getting her enough cred for Lamarck to add her to his team even though

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she's just a beat cop. And so she had the intelligence to say, hey, you might want to notice who's

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coming out. Yeah, before you started just letting them all leave. He's like, then the fat cop's like,

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the whole place is on fire. They always speak like the fattest man to be a police. I don't know why they do that.

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They always make him so ignorant and useless. Like, how did he become a cop? Like, did you, well,

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speaking of that, Harvey Bullock was one of those. Yeah. They always made him look stupid. He was a

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good detective, wasn't he? Yeah. In the comic books, they redeemed him because he was a really

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good detective. But like every time you ever seen him in Batman the Animated Series, he was always

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getting fuckin' tripped over. He was just a big whale that would never get out of the way. Man, they did him dirty,

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especially in the Batman Begins. Yes. They didn't even redeem him at all. They just made him evil as fuck.

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Yeah. So, I don't want to ruin the movie at all for people, but the movie is a phenomenal mystery.

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Like, you like, and they do real, like, the writer knew what they were doing. Well, one of them directed it,

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so I guess the other one did most of the writing. Damien Ciphron was the one that directed it, so I'm

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guessing he got the writer to do more of the writing. Right. There's one great moment where

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they're interrogating contractors that had worked on that condo that the killer was at, and you see

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Eleanor and them talking, and you keep seeing her look at their shoes, and then look back at them,

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and the three suspects, and two of them had really shitty looking shoes, and one of them had really

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clean looking shoes, but they all had good alibis, all this and that, right? And you realize that she's

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looking to see, you don't realize what she's doing at first. You do realize she's looking at shoes for

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some reason, but the context isn't spoken about until like towards the third half of the movie.

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You're like, oh, that's why she was looking at his shoes. He has so much cleaner shoes than them,

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and he's working as much as they are, and all their shoes are shit because they're working

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constantly. It's a weird thing. I can't explain it. It's like a weird detective thing. The best way I

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can explain it is like, it's just like deductive reasoning and observation is like she notices

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something off by the makeup of their shoes. Well, it's kind of like if you're a detective and somebody

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that supposedly works with their hands all the time, but you have no calluses. Right, like that.

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Just spells in your head. Yeah. So I want you guys to watch this, so I won't talk much about it,

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but I will let you know that the first two thirds, fucking master, please. Like, ah, delicious.

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Lamarck's a great character. Eleanor's like, she's like a drug addict, redeemed drug addict,

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so she's going through her shit. Lamarck's going through his shit because he's like on his last

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chances to prove himself. But then you meet the, I guess I wanted more from the fucking criminal

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when they finally find the person. I'm like, oh, he's one of those. Right. Another stereotypical one,

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huh? It's going to be, he's going to be like, man. Like, damn. Maybe it's because the way he looks.

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I'm like, he does not look like the fucking, because they make him seem like he's such an

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efficient killer, like just like on John Wick level. And in my head when I'm watching, I'm like,

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is this like, are they trying to show us what it's like to be on the other side of an assassin

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like that? Like a person, like we're on this side of a Jason Bourne, you know what I mean? Right.

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And not knowing what the fuck is going on with this person. Because at one point, the killer is

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at the mall and you still don't see him. You don't see him till the very end of the movie,

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what he looks like and or who he is. He's at the mall and he's, he steals someone's clothes from

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the dressing room. And then he goes to the bathroom to change. And this one guy gets out,

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like he's wearing, he's one of those buff guys with jumpsuit, the fucking jumpsuit,

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or not a jumpsuit, like the sweatsuit. Yeah. Like the, like the mafia. You know what I'm talking

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about? Like those Adidas ones? Yeah. Yeah. He's like, oh, disgusting, sir. He was all upset because

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the guy was changing in the, in the, he was pretty much having like a horse shower in the fucking sink.

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And it was made him mad. So he tells the security guard, the security guys go look for him and they

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find him in the food, the food court. And he's a, he's a stealing food from like various trays.

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But he's just like snatch and like, I'm gonna put it all this and he just takes all his food.

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And then the security guys stop him and he's like, please, I just want to leave. I don't want any

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trouble. And he fucking kills both of them. Then he goes, then it cuts from there to like an aftermath

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scene. Eleanor shows up at the crime scene and there's like smoke everywhere. And there's fucking

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dead cops littered all over the floor. I'm like, what the fuck happened? That's another suspense

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thing they did was really good. Like you have him having the altercation. And then you have

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the aftermath of like a fucking horrific battle that everyone lost, but him apparently. And so

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they check the cameras and they see him, but they never, he never shows his face. He's smart enough

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to keep his always camera, camera away his face. And then you see that when these, I guess like,

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I don't know what kind of mall this is. They had like fucking security guys with guns.

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They try to corner him, right? Like they're about to do a pincer attack from either end of the hallway.

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He's in the middle like, and like, he just comes out with an ooz and just all of them and just

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fucking all four of them just drops him like it's nothing. I'm like, Jesus Christ, who is this guy?

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I'm like, Jesus Christ, it's Jason Bourne. And they keep watching the cameras and then you finally

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find out what the hell all that smoking, all the dead bodies were about was that the SWAT team was

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getting there. The police, I guess they were already on high alert anyway. So any, any situation like

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this, they would assume it was him, right? The sniper. So they were going to move quicker.

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They get there and he, now this thinking about it now, I realize this does not seem logically

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possible or physically possible, but when you see it, you're like, oh, that's amazing. That's amazing.

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That's so much that's amazing that he killed a bunch of cops, but it's like the way the tactic

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is most amazing, not the execution of said tactic. He takes his shoelace off. He takes a fucking like

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handful of grenades. I mean like fucking like nine or 10 of these fucking things. He puts the string

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over every, every pin of the grenade. He grabs them all. He puts them into the trash and he pulls all

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the pins. And now that I think about it, like, how the fuck would you be able to do that?

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Cause you had to hold down, it takes like force to pull a pin out of a grenade. Right. They're not

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easy to pull out. That's why they say you can't really put out with your fucking teeth. You'll

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lose a tooth. So how did he hold them down and pull them all out with the, you know what I mean?

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Like unless it pulled them as single each one. No, like, no, like in a row, not like all with the

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same force, but I'm saying like he has to hold them down. How do you keep them? How do you keep

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all the grenades from coming up with the, oh, okay. Yeah. How the fuck did he hold them down?

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And then pull them up. Yeah. That's like fucking 10 of them. You'd have to like fucking put it your

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whole arm. Right. Right. So when I think about it now, I'm like, how the fuck did he pull all those

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motherfuckers out? And it, it, it broke. I'll be honest with you broke with that. I'm like, wait a

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minute, man, no God dang way. You pulled out 10, 10 pins from 10 grenades in one fell swoop. Yeah.

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Cause you had to hold down every grenade to hold the pin in. So that you know what I mean? And

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they pulled the pin out. So he fucked me up on that one, but he pulls them out and then he fucking

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walks off. And that's like the whole squad team gets up there. Fucking boom. Like fucking 15 cops

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dead. I'm like, fuck this is Jason Bourne. Aside from that weird magic power he has to telekinetically

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hold down grenades. Yeah. I remember I got to see it again to see how he did it, but thinking about

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it now, like there's no fucking way to pull out 10 grenades. Like how do you, how would you even do

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that? Like how do you hold them all down at once? Yeah. Unless, unless you only need to hold down one.

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Well on top of that, I guess you could hold down one. And then when you pull it, cause they're on

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the pin, right? Oh, I guess it is possible. Cause like if they're on a, on a, on a string and then

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you, you hold down the bottom when you're pulling as hard as you can, the only thing that'll come

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up at the pins and not the grenades, they'll fall back down. Oh, it is physically possible.

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Yeah. But where are they the grenades that have a little paddle on them? No, they're the ones with

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like the, the pin pin. Yeah. And I know what you're talking about, but you still have that little trigger

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but the holder. Yeah. I think they all have that. Cause I'm saying, don't you have to hold that

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slightly together still when you pull the pin? No, it's only to, uh, it's only to, uh, to keep it

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from exploding. Once you take the pins off, the thing I'm saying, don't you have to like be holding

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it to pull the pennies? Oh, pull it out. That's a good question. Actually. I'm not a grenade expert

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is a problem. I'm not either, but you might have a point. Like, I don't know. Like when you pull the

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pin, you got to hold the candle down until it comes out. Right. Right. Or would that create more

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resistance? You know what I mean? And they pull from the side, right? Yeah. So it's still, I guess

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it still wouldn't be logically possible. No. Cause if you have all the, like, cause you were saying

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like with the paddles facing him, right? Maybe. Yeah. I don't even know. Like the way, how would

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you pull? Right. That wouldn't make a lot of sense to me. I'll go get some grenades.

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You said that somebody died. I can't remember where it was, but somebody died because they sent, uh,

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might've been Russia. One of their leaders or something. It sounds like Russia, Russia or Ukraine.

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One of them got sent a, a box of memorabilia grenades or something like that, or like collectible

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ones that weren't real, but there was a real one placed in there to kill him. Yeah. On purpose.

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Yeah. And he died recently. Yeah. It's like, I like to pull the pin. I wouldn't even take,

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if I open a box with grenades, I'd be like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. I guess it wouldn't be,

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I don't know. I guess it wouldn't be possible how he did that. Cause it wouldn't make,

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like again, suspension of disbelief. Too late.

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I'm almost like Neil, the crazy Tyson just ruining my whole life. Oh, that motherfucker

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getting on there and trying to ruin the movies. It's like, yeah, fuck you. Do you like this movie?

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Well, guess what? He ruined one about New York or something like that. I don't know where it

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feels the Avengers or something like that, but he got on there. Well, it would have to be this time

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of the year because the sun comes through the building to this certain specific angle. It's

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like, bro, just, it must suck to be that smart. It was like, damn, no, it must suck to be that

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big of a douche bag. You ain't got to tell everybody every little damn thing or you really wouldn't

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want the power of flight because of this. And it's like, let people dream like a movie. It's a movie.

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Yeah. But sometimes like people like me, like, I know it's a movie, right? But like,

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like you got to hold me there though. Like I can watch Marvel movies all day long, right?

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The special, especially never broken because I know, you know, it's Marvel, right? But for like

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something grounded, like what I do from like this one, it's a little hard. I get that. I get that.

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The grenades. You got a superhero movie. You're already, you're in a suspension of disbelief

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regardless. Yeah. Yeah. They have powers like, okay, fine. But he'll go through and fucking try

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to ruin that. It's like, bro, I guess I get your point there. Like he removes that should not be

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ruined because even though reason, even because you're watching them from the suspension of

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disbelief anyway, cause you know, it's not real, right? Like it's not even the fact that it ruins

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the movie for people where they're not saying like, I didn't think of it that way. You know,

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that I like it, that wouldn't be physically possible. No, that that's not the point. It's

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like, bro, just you're saying she nobody cares about you're telling us about stuff. And like,

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he said something about vibranium. Well, if it was to ricochet in that way, it wouldn't actually

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work and blah, blah, blah. It's like, it's not a real metal. So like, bro, it doesn't exist.

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We don't care. And then doesn't Unumtanium exist? Yeah. Of all the ones that can exist,

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they'd be vibranium over Unumtanium. Or adamantite and all that other kind of stuff. It's like,

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bro, like we know this is all fake. We know it's fake. Like you telling us is like somebody coming

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up and like you telling like a fake story that she knows not real. And then they say, you know,

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that wouldn't really happen. Right? Well, no shit, Sherlock. Why do you want a story?

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Like, bro, we know it's fake. That's the whole point. Like somebody coming up and saying like,

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Sherlock Holmes didn't exist. It's a damn lie. You need a real person.

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He had to be there's no way. We're saying Frankenstein didn't exist. It's like,

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well, you haven't walked down the south side in a while. I've seen some people said,

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oh, the monster. You ever seen enough crack heads? Oh, man.

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Do you got any crack? You know what the funniest one of the funniest lies from all we study in

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Philadelphia was like, Mac was asking Dennis, like, Dennis, like, what is the thing in this life that

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you want more than anything? Like, like, if you could have it right now, what would it be like

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anything? Right? He's pretty something like, you know, some dreamlike, like, answer. Right?

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Yeah. And Dennis looks from dead in the eye like crack. I want some crack. Because like,

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many episodes ago, many seasons ago, that Mac, no, Dennis and his sister D, they were like,

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upset about the welfare system. They were going to take advantage of it by becoming crack heads.

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And they get they became crack heads. And then they got they got they got in the rehab and they

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fixed themselves. Right? So the fact that Dennis said crack, of all things, all these years later,

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just goes to show you how much he loved crack. He wants crack. It's still it's still handsome to this day.

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Crack. Oh, that's a good stuff. That's character development right there. Yeah. All these years.

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And you still continue that. A huge callback to an earlier season.

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And then Max like crack cocaine. Crack cocaine. You don't have anything. It's great. He shakes

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it like crack. He didn't hesitate at all. I want some crack. Why you've been fighting that urge

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for years? That he's still fighting it to this day. So wow. So ending of the movie?

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Bo. Bo. Bo. So spoilers. No spoilers. Come on. Not today. I feel like I'll spoil this like a mystery.

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Or should I? Like do they care? Probably not. Anyway, that's okay. From this moment, spoilers

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if you do not want to hear it. All right. So spoilers from here on out. And I'll put a time

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thing on the in the video to say when you can listen again if you don't want to hear the ending

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of this. All right. So Lamarck and Eleanor because they haven't done enough headway in the

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investigation, they get suspended. And Lamarck's like, fuck that. We're going to find this killer.

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Eleanor's feeling the same way. So they go to that guy with the shoes I was talking about.

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And it turns out that the reason he's so clean cut and so like rich, even though he's like

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taking more jobs than he can ever actually handle with his workforce. And she finds out because

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he's got this secret list of people that he can hire under the table to do work. So he's able to

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take more jobs because of them. And on this secret list is the killer. He was on there. And so she

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asked him his name, where he worked. He's like, he finally has to give in because he doesn't want to

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go to jail. But he didn't want to give in the first time because he didn't want to get killed

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by the guy just in case. Yeah. So they find out that he used to work at a butcher, a butcher shop

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or a like an actual like butcher factory. And they go out of the way to show you a little bit

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of the butcher process. You're like, oh, God, Jesus. And you find that they find the guy,

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they go to his house and they find his mother there. And the story goes that he used to be a

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great kid, this and that. But they used to go out shooting. And they told me to go out and get the

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targets or whatever. And they forgot he was out there. So they fucking blasted him by accident,

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the mom and dad. So he ended up getting like brain trauma. They like messed up his brain chemistry.

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Yeah. And he was never the same again. He was a super loner, a super like away from people.

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And he loved it when COVID was around because he felt like he was like a nomad that can just

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travel the whole city with no people. So and so I guess one day society just got too much for him.

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Pretty much a Ted Kaczynski type, like the Unabomber. That's why I was disappointed.

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Like, oh, so it's just this story again. Yeah. And he just decided to go on a killing spree.

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And it's weird too. Like, like he's in this little clubhouse, this little tree house in the

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distance, right. And Eleanor notices that he's in there because she freaks out. And she tells

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Lamarck and Lamarck's like tries to pull his gun out and fucking gets blown away, killed instantly.

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So all his character is gone in an instant. Like the whole character that you invested in him,

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right? It's just dead. Well, shit, it goes to Lamarck. And the mom's like, goes out there to

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talk to her son. And he's like, David, I think his name is David or not, I forgot. But he's like,

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either you go with the police or you come with me. And she blows her brains out. Right there in the

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middle of the fucking yard. I'm like, God dang. That one didn't surprise me. And then David comes

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out, goes into the house, has Eleanor at gunpoint. They start to talking. It almost seems like the

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whole solution to his problems from what I'm getting as I'm hearing them talk, right, is that

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all he needed to do was get laid. And he would have been okay. I'm dead serious. That's what it

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sounded like to me. Especially when the cops get there, right, because they heard the gunshot.

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And he freaks out and he takes her to like this underground building underneath the tree house,

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where he has all his fucking like master plans and shit. And he ties her up. And like, he's trying to

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commit, she's trying to commit, because they're like similar in a way. Because she's dealt with

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that stuff too, like not liking society and feeling like he didn't belong anywhere, all this and that.

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So that's why actually Lamarck hired her, because he felt like she had the same mental, but she

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she went to the side of the police. He lost his fucking mind. And she keeps like, he ends up like

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zip tying her to like this pipe. And he keeps walking around getting supplies and shit about

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to run away. And she gives like trying to get him to stay with her. And she was like pushing up her

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body against his like, stay with me. Don't worry, we can do this together. You'll be fine. And I'm

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like, so this is what we're gonna boil it down to. You just need to get laid. And you're pretending

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to like, you know, it understands. Basically saying he's an insult. That's yes, 100% what the hell was

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going on. That's what that was the whole, that's what I was like, well damn, they didn't do a good

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like enough like something interesting. Yeah. And he just ends up getting fucking blasted. She actually

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fucking takes a bite out of his neck. Like a fucking vampire. Yeah, like she takes a whole fucking chunk

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of his neck. He's like, like right at the jugular too. She legit almost fucking killed him right then

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and there. And he didn't, he's like, he decided not to shoot her though. He ends up running away.

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I would have not even for survival, I'd never bite somebody. What if they got like some disease?

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And I'm still alive, but I'm crippled for life. You know what I mean? It's scoliosis.

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So he ends up, he ends up like trying to like run away, but he's losing too much blood. The cops find

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him. He's sitting like in front of some like tanker truck or one of those like big metallic like

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storage containers that they ship out like shipping containers or something. He ends up like just some

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middle of the fucking snowy ass field. And the cops get there and he's like, they're like, damn it,

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put it up. He's like, well, this is all I got left. He fucking pulls his gun up and they, of course,

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they fucking blow him away. Yeah. Like fucking 600 shots. Fucking reloading and shot him again.

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And that's it. That's the end of the movie. Yeah. I see why you didn't like the ending too much.

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I was expecting something like interesting, not another like same old mindset killer.

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Yeah. So for anybody that skipped ahead, it's like, yeah, I definitely see why. Let's see why

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there's the boo. If it's, if it's, I was feeling like a joker level villain. And no, no. Plus like

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the level of his training, even how he was trained is not equivalent to what he did. Right. And there's

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no like, like, because, uh, I guess we're still in spoiler territory, but, uh, his mother said that

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his father trained him to join the army. So he got all these like survival skills from his dad.

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But like, I wouldn't his dad, a special, I guess maybe that was a special force. I don't know what

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the fuck, but he was like on like John Wick, John Jason, like he doesn't have the training. Like,

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not like, like, not like that. Like John Wick was a world-class assassin with like a year,

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years of training. Right. And he retired. That was the whole point. Jane, the more was a C.I. was a

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spy. Right. For years. And this guy was just like a farm boy got trained by his dad to shoot. And

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all of a sudden he's still using people down in the fucking mall. He's got like 15 grenades.

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I see why the boo boo. All right. Anything else that before we head out on this one

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and be like, if I took karate, right. And then I took like a couple of like shooting,

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like the shooting range and all of a sudden I'm fucking just a high level assassin. You know what

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I mean? Would make no fucking sense. Missions at all. I'm shooting people through people's

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people's in their fucking people's people's in their fucking door. Right.

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They like to make it feel like that when you play Metal Gear Solid 3. Yeah. There's a scene where

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you're walking to this like a limbo and all these people that you've killed throughout the, but by

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the way, if you don't kill anybody, no one shows up. But all these people you killed throughout

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the game, right. It's something like, well, you shot me in the dick because they didn't, they knew kids.

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Yeah. They were playing Metal Gear Solid 3. So they just started fucking blasting people in the cock.

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That was kind of funny. It'd be really awkward if you never did. It was like, yeah, I never did. I'm

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like, what the hell? I never shot you in the dick. You liar. But then you realize how many people you

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actually killed. You're like, oh fuck. Yeah. All right. Well, with that, we will see you guys on

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the next one. Bow. Boo. I say it to your entire family. And generations.

