WEBVTT 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:09.720 The mic is hot and the game is on. You're listening 00:00:09.720 --> 00:00:13.119 to News for the Nation podcast by Aces Nation. 00:00:13.900 --> 00:00:17.160 Two sports professionals discuss athletic performance. 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:21.000 From youth to college and everything in between. 00:00:21.940 --> 00:00:25.640 We're talking science. We're talking training. 00:00:27.260 --> 00:00:29.699 We're talking about how you can be better right 00:00:29.699 --> 00:00:37.960 now. Welcome back sports fans. Today we're going 00:00:37.960 --> 00:00:41.820 to be talking about kind of a new topic, I would 00:00:41.820 --> 00:00:45.460 say, in research and strength conditioning research 00:00:45.460 --> 00:00:49.500 that's about rapid thermal exchange, I think 00:00:49.500 --> 00:00:52.200 is the fancy name for it, but basically palm 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:56.619 cooling or sole cooling. That's S -O -L -E, so 00:00:56.619 --> 00:01:00.340 foot cooling. Just so we're clear with that. 00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:04.000 Tiana actually brought this to me and it's pretty 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:07.060 fascinating and it's made me think a little bit 00:01:07.060 --> 00:01:10.700 more about how this could be applied and to really 00:01:10.700 --> 00:01:15.640 have creative solutions, maybe to find wins in 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:18.560 the margins, if you will, with this type of topic. 00:01:18.980 --> 00:01:22.599 It's pretty cutting edge. It's honestly exciting 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:27.019 to think about. Tiana, bring us the intro here. 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:33.010 Sure. I came across this article through the 00:01:33.010 --> 00:01:35.569 NSCA and that's kind of what got me started down 00:01:35.569 --> 00:01:37.890 this path. And then I've seen that, you know, 00:01:38.010 --> 00:01:41.489 some of the popular podcasters in the science 00:01:41.489 --> 00:01:43.849 realm have gone through some of this as well. 00:01:43.890 --> 00:01:47.409 So I was listening there and it's super interesting. 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:49.920 You know, we're always looking for performance 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:53.540 advantages at the highest level and especially 00:01:53.540 --> 00:01:56.980 ones that do not involve anything illegal. So 00:01:56.980 --> 00:02:00.400 this is a great place to start. And basically 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:04.319 what what Zach mentioned here is the the cooling 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:06.739 of either the palms or the soles of the feet. 00:02:07.219 --> 00:02:11.520 And the theory here is that it can augment resistance 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:15.319 training in a couple of different areas. But 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:19.800 basically. It allows the CNS, so the central 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:25.159 nervous system, to allow for increased excitation 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:27.840 and motor unit recruitment in working muscles. 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:31.159 So obviously the more motor recruitment you have, 00:02:31.479 --> 00:02:34.639 the better those lifts are. So this enhanced 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:37.560 stimulation can create greater force production 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:40.719 and the ability to also perform more repetitions 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:45.509 before reaching that level of fatigue. So basically 00:02:45.509 --> 00:02:48.669 the theory here is by decreasing body temperature 00:02:48.669 --> 00:02:52.169 overall, we're allowing for the muscles to do 00:02:52.169 --> 00:02:58.349 more work. So there's some other ways they go 00:02:58.349 --> 00:03:01.930 about saying what the reasons may be behind why 00:03:01.930 --> 00:03:05.669 this works. Some of those were possibly limiting 00:03:05.669 --> 00:03:09.789 the amount of blood lactate accumulation, but 00:03:09.789 --> 00:03:13.000 there's also been studies that that indicate 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:15.860 the contrary. So it's back and forth. There's 00:03:15.860 --> 00:03:19.680 a lot here left to be studied and, you know, 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:22.099 we need a lot more research to actually determine 00:03:22.099 --> 00:03:25.639 the mechanisms behind why it may be working and 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:28.300 what areas to best apply it. But it's a pretty 00:03:28.300 --> 00:03:31.340 interesting subject and something that you could 00:03:31.340 --> 00:03:36.280 easily test on your own, you know, and with relatively 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:40.120 little equipment. So something worth exploring 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:43.229 for sure. Absolutely. So one of the things that 00:03:43.229 --> 00:03:45.370 I got from this just to give our audience a little 00:03:45.370 --> 00:03:49.289 more explanation here was why, why the palm, 00:03:49.449 --> 00:03:53.050 why the foot, because there are like special 00:03:53.050 --> 00:03:56.930 blood vessels in those areas that are close to 00:03:56.930 --> 00:04:00.689 the surface and allow the body to release heat. 00:04:01.370 --> 00:04:07.560 They're also in the face was another Source that 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:10.360 I got a hold of that also said that these these 00:04:10.360 --> 00:04:12.419 things exist in the face as well So it's like 00:04:12.419 --> 00:04:14.439 this special areas of the body where we're trying 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:17.040 to release heat quickly so we can cool the body 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:19.819 down In town. I already mentioned like special 00:04:19.819 --> 00:04:23.899 things happening at the cell level There's a 00:04:23.899 --> 00:04:28.339 special enzyme that can kind of control You know 00:04:28.339 --> 00:04:30.860 the muscles ability to work at certain temperatures 00:04:30.860 --> 00:04:33.839 so you would want to cool down quickly in order 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:36.600 to let's say be more efficient at the cellular 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:38.800 level when you're doing physical activity so 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:40.259 i mean there's a lot of different things happening 00:04:40.259 --> 00:04:42.439 at play here and that's kind of cool that we 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:45.160 have technology to go into this and to be able 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:49.079 to try to understand it and utilize it for the 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:52.889 profession. Well, and I think even that the palm 00:04:52.889 --> 00:04:57.110 and soul cooling as a mechanism to lower internal 00:04:57.110 --> 00:04:59.550 body temperature quickly is interesting because, 00:04:59.850 --> 00:05:02.329 you know, on the sidelines of games and things, 00:05:02.509 --> 00:05:04.850 usually you see people apply the cold pack or 00:05:04.850 --> 00:05:06.750 something to the back of the neck of the athlete, 00:05:07.009 --> 00:05:09.610 which I had read in the past, you know, that's 00:05:09.610 --> 00:05:12.170 not the most effective area is really is the 00:05:12.170 --> 00:05:14.149 palms or the soles of the feet. But, you know, 00:05:14.170 --> 00:05:17.019 it's just been it's something that's always been 00:05:17.019 --> 00:05:20.660 done that way, I guess. And that's why they go 00:05:20.660 --> 00:05:23.579 to that area right now. But, and the armpits 00:05:23.579 --> 00:05:27.079 is another one you'll see a lot, but generally 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:30.079 not face or hands. Well, yeah. I've definitely 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:31.860 seen the back of the neck one, you know, when, 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:33.779 when it's like really hot stuff outside. I mean, 00:05:33.779 --> 00:05:36.540 it's interesting to think about, I think if you 00:05:36.540 --> 00:05:43.500 were like, I don't know. Throwing hammer right 00:05:43.500 --> 00:05:45.980 in your outdoors and you're trying to cool down 00:05:45.980 --> 00:05:48.500 in between throws or something I don't know. 00:05:48.540 --> 00:05:49.860 Maybe you're doing multiple throws right and 00:05:49.860 --> 00:05:51.759 you're cooling down from one event to the next 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:55.060 I think it's also fascinating for me to think 00:05:55.060 --> 00:05:59.639 about if you were to Use an ice bucket, you know 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:01.939 and you directly put your hands or your feet 00:06:01.939 --> 00:06:05.319 in there does that mess with your ability to 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:09.439 like grip the same or moved the same, which I 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:10.980 thought was fascinating through the article where 00:06:10.980 --> 00:06:13.300 they had one of the groups like put their foot 00:06:13.300 --> 00:06:15.560 in an ice bucket, right? And then they did something 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:18.779 lower body related after that. So I also thought 00:06:18.779 --> 00:06:22.139 that that was fascinating from like a from like 00:06:22.139 --> 00:06:24.759 an ankle perspective. Like, does that change 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:27.879 what you need to do? Right. They're doing this 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:31.360 during rest times and now they've submerged in 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:35.680 cold water. Have they thrown off the readiness, 00:06:35.699 --> 00:06:38.480 let's say of the ankle complex or the lower leg, 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:40.699 you know, like do they need to warm up a little 00:06:40.699 --> 00:06:42.519 bit going into that, which is something I don't 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:44.899 think was really talked about. It was rest time. 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:46.920 You do this and then you go and do the activity 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:50.160 again, which I mean, as the one of the studies 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:52.480 showed that they didn't talk about doing that 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:54.300 and it didn't really say that it affected them 00:06:54.300 --> 00:06:56.040 in a negative way. So I also thought that was 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:59.810 fascinating because let's say I was. between 00:06:59.810 --> 00:07:01.689 events and I have warmed up a little bit right 00:07:01.689 --> 00:07:05.269 and like I only I mean Based on the length of 00:07:05.269 --> 00:07:06.790 the research that I'm sure we'll get into the 00:07:06.790 --> 00:07:10.490 rest times. Like I don't know that I Don't know 00:07:10.490 --> 00:07:13.670 how I'd go from ice bucket You know for several 00:07:13.670 --> 00:07:15.930 minutes into like I only have a couple more minutes 00:07:15.930 --> 00:07:17.790 before I go do this event again You know, like 00:07:17.790 --> 00:07:21.350 I think maybe there's a belief like there's a 00:07:21.350 --> 00:07:26.129 placebo mental effect to it or not But that was 00:07:26.129 --> 00:07:28.120 another thing they talked about We can talk about 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:30.040 that in a little bit as well. How like placebo 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:32.279 effects, you can't really lie to somebody whether 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:35.120 or not they're getting this treatment. So it's 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:37.779 fascinating. Yeah. Hard to control this study 00:07:37.779 --> 00:07:41.079 in that way. And yeah, that made me think about 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:44.939 like, obviously with MMA fighters, you see in 00:07:44.939 --> 00:07:46.519 between rounds where they would definitely need 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:48.180 to cool the body temperature. They're taking 00:07:48.180 --> 00:07:51.860 an ice bag and rubbing it on the chest. But I 00:07:51.860 --> 00:07:53.680 wonder how that would affect them if they already 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:55.379 have bare feet if you could stick their foot 00:07:55.379 --> 00:07:57.879 in an ice bucket and then towel it dry real quick 00:07:57.879 --> 00:08:00.920 and would that affect their footwork or Any of 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:03.120 their striking in any way or would that be like 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:05.819 a huge advantage to cool that way? Absolutely. 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:11.290 Yeah, that's That's probably a better Find a 00:08:11.290 --> 00:08:14.149 better solution would be the vacuum system around 00:08:14.149 --> 00:08:16.870 the foot, you know Just so maybe there's not 00:08:16.870 --> 00:08:19.410 any moisture that could cause them to lose their 00:08:19.410 --> 00:08:21.949 footing or something like that Which is obviously 00:08:21.949 --> 00:08:24.410 could could be crucial, you know, if you slip 00:08:24.410 --> 00:08:26.709 an inch you might get you might be getting knocked 00:08:26.709 --> 00:08:29.649 out You know that punch, you know When you'd 00:08:29.649 --> 00:08:31.810 have a time protocol issue there because you 00:08:31.810 --> 00:08:35.710 only get yeah Between the rounds so there's no 00:08:35.710 --> 00:08:39.240 way to extend that yeah so it would have to be 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:43.740 effective whatever it looks very true very true 00:08:43.740 --> 00:08:49.299 well let's get into a little bit here about specific 00:08:49.299 --> 00:08:54.220 temperature wise um what do you what did you 00:08:54.220 --> 00:08:58.139 come across here you know think of as the best 00:08:58.139 --> 00:09:02.320 protocol to try and how to achieve that temperature 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:04.970 because i know one of the biggest issues they 00:09:04.970 --> 00:09:07.029 ran across in these studies here was the method 00:09:07.029 --> 00:09:10.129 of cooling because obviously you could easily 00:09:10.129 --> 00:09:14.629 take a bucket of ice water in a gym and try this 00:09:14.629 --> 00:09:19.389 out. But some of these studies used an actual 00:09:19.389 --> 00:09:23.350 glove type mechanism that they created that had 00:09:23.350 --> 00:09:26.250 water flowing through it to keep the palm at 00:09:26.250 --> 00:09:28.289 a certain temperature all the way throughout. 00:09:28.549 --> 00:09:30.269 And then like you were saying, that wouldn't 00:09:30.269 --> 00:09:33.639 actually create any sort of moisture issue. but 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:36.399 it would cool the hand the same way. I don't 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:39.779 know if that would affect your grip still based 00:09:39.779 --> 00:09:43.799 on temperature, but I don't know. What did you 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:47.659 come across there when it comes to actual degrees 00:09:47.659 --> 00:09:51.379 of cooling and the method of cooling? What I 00:09:51.379 --> 00:09:54.080 got from the degrees was probably about 10 to 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:56.899 15 degrees Celsius was the most effective, I 00:09:56.899 --> 00:10:02.139 think, in these studies. I personally would think 00:10:02.139 --> 00:10:08.120 that some type of controlled water flow glove 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:13.919 or Boot I guess you would call it for the foot 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:17.259 Would probably be the best. I just think if you 00:10:17.259 --> 00:10:19.379 if you get an ice bucket and that's all you have 00:10:19.379 --> 00:10:25.649 that's fine but when I'm thinking about The practicality 00:10:25.649 --> 00:10:28.590 of it or you know when you're gonna use it like 00:10:28.590 --> 00:10:30.289 I don't know maybe use it in training and it's 00:10:30.289 --> 00:10:33.669 okay for you to have to take your sock off and 00:10:33.669 --> 00:10:36.210 Put your foot in and then have to dry your foot 00:10:36.210 --> 00:10:38.230 before you put your sock back on and then put 00:10:38.230 --> 00:10:40.690 your shoe back on You know and then go do the 00:10:40.690 --> 00:10:42.909 exercise which I think there are a lot for me 00:10:42.909 --> 00:10:44.610 There's just a lot of steps there and I think 00:10:44.610 --> 00:10:46.889 they're gonna be There's gonna be a set amount 00:10:46.889 --> 00:10:48.950 of steps that happen out have to happen anyway, 00:10:49.009 --> 00:10:52.309 but if you could If you could cool in a more 00:10:52.309 --> 00:10:54.649 efficient Fashion where you don't have to dry 00:10:54.649 --> 00:10:56.409 off. I think that would probably just be better 00:10:56.409 --> 00:10:58.309 for everyone, right? The thing that immediately 00:10:58.309 --> 00:11:03.129 comes to mind is game ready Where that controls 00:11:03.129 --> 00:11:06.570 water flow temperature I believe you can control 00:11:06.570 --> 00:11:09.389 pressure on it as well not like the research 00:11:09.389 --> 00:11:10.870 didn't really say anything about pressure so 00:11:10.870 --> 00:11:13.629 you wouldn't really need that but just to be 00:11:13.629 --> 00:11:16.610 able to Control that have you know, the water 00:11:16.610 --> 00:11:19.710 flow going right over at a consistent temperature, 00:11:19.750 --> 00:11:23.320 which would I think would be the best Time wise, 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:26.000 what I think I saw, what I remember was about 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.519 two to three minutes was what their goal was 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:32.639 for everybody to be within. So when you're going 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:34.580 to actually do the protocol, two to three minutes 00:11:34.580 --> 00:11:37.120 of of the cooling and then you're you're out 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:39.059 of there at that point. I think there were some 00:11:39.059 --> 00:11:42.240 like less than two minutes and it wasn't very 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:46.159 successful. They had some I mean, I think they 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:50.860 had a couple of like back and forth. Articles 00:11:50.860 --> 00:11:54.240 that went between two three over longer than 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:58.360 that, but I think based on the Discussion at 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:00.159 the end about two to three minutes was what what 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:02.019 they suggested So I think maybe that two and 00:12:02.019 --> 00:12:03.559 a half mark is probably what you should shoot 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:06.100 for right? I mean, that's a pretty safe safe 00:12:06.100 --> 00:12:08.139 estimation right there in between their guidelines, 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:13.059 but That's what I would say, but I think also 00:12:13.059 --> 00:12:16.129 thinking about sports and doing this It's hard. 00:12:16.289 --> 00:12:19.370 That's a hard concept. I think for every sport 00:12:19.370 --> 00:12:23.710 to achieve, right? I mentioned the Between throwing 00:12:23.710 --> 00:12:27.169 events, right? Been to some track meets before 00:12:27.169 --> 00:12:29.250 where I've seen throwers There's a significant 00:12:29.250 --> 00:12:31.389 amount of time that could happen between each 00:12:31.389 --> 00:12:34.789 throw if there are a lot of participants But 00:12:34.789 --> 00:12:37.129 also like in between events, right? You could 00:12:37.129 --> 00:12:41.009 be You could throw one have a whole nother event 00:12:41.009 --> 00:12:43.929 go after you and not throw again for like a couple 00:12:43.929 --> 00:12:48.210 of hours. So Is it even you know is even beneficial 00:12:48.210 --> 00:12:51.350 afterwards or you only focused on you know in 00:12:51.350 --> 00:12:54.250 between attempts in Events, you know, like I 00:12:54.250 --> 00:12:55.830 mean that's something to think about you're also 00:12:55.830 --> 00:12:58.169 gonna be if you're doing an outdoor championship 00:12:58.169 --> 00:13:01.409 That probably plays into trying to cool your 00:13:01.409 --> 00:13:06.970 body down a little more efficiently What I got 00:13:06.970 --> 00:13:09.049 from the study though was a lot more work capacity 00:13:09.049 --> 00:13:12.070 related and not necessarily like high force output 00:13:12.070 --> 00:13:16.759 related so That was it Aces Nation is a team 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:19.320 of former college athletes and coaches on a mission 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:21.940 to improve the sports culture experience and 00:13:21.940 --> 00:13:25.159 change today's expectations. 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Let's go. 00:13:45.779 --> 00:13:47.720 Practicality is a big thing here too, right? 00:13:47.820 --> 00:13:52.200 So if you're working with a high level elite 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:54.779 athlete that you're dedicated to their performance 00:13:54.779 --> 00:13:57.519 or a handful of them, then that's something too. 00:13:58.379 --> 00:14:02.299 That's you could get a game ready out by the 00:14:02.299 --> 00:14:06.559 court fields track, whatever it was, and try 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:09.220 this or in the weight room with that athlete. 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:12.220 But when you've got a team full of football guys, 00:14:12.220 --> 00:14:15.759 you know, at the racks, I don't know how easy 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:18.179 it would be to get everyone in a glove or a boot 00:14:18.179 --> 00:14:21.539 or whatever type of situation like that that 00:14:21.539 --> 00:14:24.960 involves a setup and, you know, a time commitment 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:27.419 there in between on top of just dipping your 00:14:27.419 --> 00:14:29.840 hand in a bucket of water. So, like we were saying, 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:32.700 it might not be the best method, but it sure 00:14:32.700 --> 00:14:34.940 would be a lot easier to set that up than it 00:14:34.940 --> 00:14:38.799 would be with all this, you know, expensive equipment. 00:14:39.460 --> 00:14:42.279 Yeah, agreed. I mean, like things that that come 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:46.210 to mind. far as conditioning goes and like team 00:14:46.210 --> 00:14:51.950 setting is that I mean game readies have an adapter 00:14:51.950 --> 00:14:54.490 setting so you can split off and do two people 00:14:54.490 --> 00:14:57.190 up in one bucket right obviously you're gonna 00:14:57.190 --> 00:14:59.389 have to be close to ice and water because you're 00:14:59.389 --> 00:15:00.990 gonna have to refill that thing at some point 00:15:00.990 --> 00:15:03.350 and who knows how frequently you need to do that 00:15:03.350 --> 00:15:07.070 so there's a chance of spilling that might happen 00:15:07.070 --> 00:15:09.009 hopefully that's not done on a playing surface 00:15:09.009 --> 00:15:12.230 for the court setting or that scenario Another 00:15:12.230 --> 00:15:14.190 thing I'm thinking about is like let's take soccer 00:15:14.190 --> 00:15:18.519 for instance substitutions don't happen Play 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:20.539 is continuous, so you can't really use it in 00:15:20.539 --> 00:15:23.360 a game. If you're gonna use it in training, like 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:25.720 in a practice setting, okay, you can do that 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:27.299 because you're gonna have set breaks that you 00:15:27.299 --> 00:15:30.980 could take and do that and maybe extend. Some 00:15:30.980 --> 00:15:32.940 people, you mentioned if you're just working 00:15:32.940 --> 00:15:35.460 with somebody individually, obviously way easier 00:15:35.460 --> 00:15:37.519 to do because you don't have to have as many 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:40.539 pieces of equipment to do it or as many ice buckets 00:15:40.539 --> 00:15:46.210 or whatever. If you're doing it in only a training 00:15:46.210 --> 00:15:49.830 scenario, maybe trying to increase work capacity 00:15:49.830 --> 00:15:51.929 that will hopefully translate to the field. Let's 00:15:51.929 --> 00:15:55.769 take the yo -yo intermittent recovery test. Not 00:15:55.769 --> 00:15:58.250 any time in between for you to do that, right? 00:15:58.809 --> 00:16:01.330 So when does that happen or how does that fit 00:16:01.330 --> 00:16:05.769 into your protocol? If you're doing other repeat 00:16:05.769 --> 00:16:09.980 sprint ability, layouts, assessments, and things 00:16:09.980 --> 00:16:12.059 like that. If there's a long break in between, 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:16.220 you could be able to do that. The 300 -yard shuttle 00:16:16.220 --> 00:16:19.240 comes to mind. If you're doing multiple of those, 00:16:19.659 --> 00:16:22.539 you could do it in the five -minute recovery 00:16:22.539 --> 00:16:25.379 that you're going to have. Easy to do. If you're 00:16:25.379 --> 00:16:28.240 doing it outside, it's okay. You could probably, 00:16:28.299 --> 00:16:30.980 with your team, have a bunch of ice buckets or 00:16:30.980 --> 00:16:34.149 one big tub that's to a certain... Hopefully 00:16:34.149 --> 00:16:36.610 to a certain degree, you know, if you're outside, 00:16:36.809 --> 00:16:38.470 obviously that's going to change and warm up 00:16:38.470 --> 00:16:41.710 the longer that you're outside. But if you're 00:16:41.710 --> 00:16:44.009 doing it, you can have the whole team and in 00:16:44.009 --> 00:16:46.350 the bucket, whatever. And then you don't have 00:16:46.350 --> 00:16:47.889 to worry about grip. You don't have to really 00:16:47.889 --> 00:16:50.470 worry about a mess happening because it's on 00:16:50.470 --> 00:16:53.429 the field or whatnot. So I mean, it could work 00:16:53.429 --> 00:16:55.850 in certain settings, but I think that it's got 00:16:55.850 --> 00:16:57.809 to be, it's got to be pretty well thought out 00:16:57.809 --> 00:16:59.990 and it has to like actually make sense for like 00:16:59.990 --> 00:17:03.289 the layout. Again, for the reasoning, if you're 00:17:03.289 --> 00:17:05.789 not able to do it in games, then maybe you're 00:17:05.789 --> 00:17:08.349 only doing it in practice. Is there a benefit 00:17:08.349 --> 00:17:12.690 to even doing it in competitive scenarios? So 00:17:12.690 --> 00:17:15.890 who knows? I think there are definitely a lot 00:17:15.890 --> 00:17:19.730 of questions to think about and arise from this 00:17:19.730 --> 00:17:22.230 topic, but maybe in a good way that makes you 00:17:22.230 --> 00:17:25.529 think towards what would be the best scenario 00:17:25.529 --> 00:17:29.750 for me to be able to utilize an enhancement like 00:17:29.750 --> 00:17:35.240 this. And I do think that starting with, as you 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:37.119 were saying, out on a field where you're doing 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:40.700 repeat training of some sort, that would be a 00:17:40.700 --> 00:17:43.960 great way to test this because you have the environmental 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:46.680 factor there and they know that, you know, for 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:48.720 endurance purposes, cooling the internal temperature 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:51.420 is going to allow you the increased work capacity. 00:17:52.140 --> 00:17:54.460 So picturing a team out in a field, you know, 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:57.740 on a field doing repeat sprints of some sort, 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:00.619 and you're using that rest time to have everybody's 00:18:00.619 --> 00:18:04.430 hands in some ice water and seeing how that affects 00:18:04.430 --> 00:18:06.849 it, especially in an in an outdoor setting where 00:18:06.849 --> 00:18:09.069 you're dealing with heat. I think, you know, 00:18:09.190 --> 00:18:12.109 heat exhaustion is is super common. And I'm thinking 00:18:12.109 --> 00:18:15.089 about, you know, football, summer workouts or 00:18:15.089 --> 00:18:18.109 track fall training or where it's still really 00:18:18.109 --> 00:18:20.289 hot outside, but you're out there for a while. 00:18:20.349 --> 00:18:24.250 I could picture there being a pretty good application 00:18:24.250 --> 00:18:27.450 there for for that being effective. Yeah. I mean, 00:18:27.490 --> 00:18:29.150 especially if you're out there running the track, 00:18:29.150 --> 00:18:32.750 typically you have like a satellite athletic 00:18:32.750 --> 00:18:35.049 training facility that's nearby you know maybe 00:18:35.049 --> 00:18:38.089 it's only a tiny building that has water and 00:18:38.089 --> 00:18:42.549 ice in it right but like you're doing 150 repeat 00:18:42.549 --> 00:18:45.890 150s you know like you're gonna have a little 00:18:45.890 --> 00:18:47.750 bit of time in between you know if you're doing 00:18:47.750 --> 00:18:49.730 repeats of any distance really for like short 00:18:49.730 --> 00:18:52.789 sprinters or even long sprinters but you're gonna 00:18:52.789 --> 00:18:54.329 have time to do that. And I think the hand would 00:18:54.329 --> 00:18:56.849 just be such an easy thing to do is like, go 00:18:56.849 --> 00:18:58.890 sit down, you know, put your hand in the bucket 00:18:58.890 --> 00:19:00.450 for this amount of time. And then, you know, 00:19:00.490 --> 00:19:02.829 take the risk, your recovery, come back up, you 00:19:02.829 --> 00:19:06.190 know, whatever. So I think definitely it fits 00:19:06.190 --> 00:19:11.289 in certain scenarios, but I'm sure I mean, like 00:19:11.289 --> 00:19:13.390 as, as all these research things say, like more 00:19:13.390 --> 00:19:16.470 research is needed, you know, there are different 00:19:16.470 --> 00:19:20.230 applications that weren't tested in this review, 00:19:20.690 --> 00:19:23.160 like we talked about this was mostly resistance 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:27.359 training, which I think is good. I think I would 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:32.240 use it less in resistance training versus performance 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:34.740 training, if you will, or like conditioning, 00:19:34.740 --> 00:19:39.059 I guess. I would lean towards that, to be fair. 00:19:40.579 --> 00:19:42.279 I don't know if you could speak on a little bit. 00:19:42.339 --> 00:19:45.079 I know that they talked about one of the problems 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:48.259 with these different studies so far is the way 00:19:48.259 --> 00:19:52.940 that they were measuring muscle activation. post 00:19:52.940 --> 00:19:56.859 this cooling protocol and the fact that it was 00:19:56.859 --> 00:20:00.480 different across different studies. So do you 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:04.079 have kind of an idea or a way that you think 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:07.059 measuring the results of this would be best in 00:20:07.059 --> 00:20:09.880 order to figure out if it's really effective 00:20:09.880 --> 00:20:18.279 or not? I mean, I think when you get studies 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:25.920 that or systematic narrative or a meta analysis, 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:28.440 you're gonna pull in a lot of different studies 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:31.740 that meet the main criteria, but also like kind 00:20:31.740 --> 00:20:35.500 of vary on the protocol and equipment used, even 00:20:35.500 --> 00:20:38.019 though all of it may be verified in scientific 00:20:38.019 --> 00:20:41.160 research. I think it's just kind of hard to, 00:20:42.900 --> 00:20:45.640 you have to take it at a certain value because 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:47.990 it's not all the same. not everyone have the 00:20:47.990 --> 00:20:52.289 same protocol, the same time of day, the same 00:20:52.289 --> 00:20:55.289 whatever, different conditions are happening. 00:20:55.910 --> 00:21:00.009 So you have to manage your expectations, I guess, 00:21:00.089 --> 00:21:03.970 and think about it like how could this be beneficial 00:21:03.970 --> 00:21:09.329 to my setting? I think sometimes if you only 00:21:09.329 --> 00:21:13.359 have topical. EMG stuff, then that's what you 00:21:13.359 --> 00:21:16.019 have to do. If you have EMG capabilities that 00:21:16.019 --> 00:21:19.680 are intramuscular, then even better, right? If 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:23.220 you can stick a prong between somebody's muscle 00:21:23.220 --> 00:21:26.079 there into someone's muscle and actually read 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:29.619 some of those electrical outputs, it's even better. 00:21:31.500 --> 00:21:35.180 But again, I think that I would use this outside 00:21:35.180 --> 00:21:38.000 of the weight room more often than inside of 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:46.839 the weight room. Mean I Just don't know Not often 00:21:46.839 --> 00:21:48.700 like I'm thinking about game readies right from 00:21:48.700 --> 00:21:51.119 my set scenario right now game ready seems to 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:56.660 be the best option for us probably not as common 00:21:56.660 --> 00:22:01.779 or Feasible for me to just move game readies 00:22:01.779 --> 00:22:03.400 into the weight room and have to worry about 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:06.299 going to get ice and water and stuff right typically 00:22:06.299 --> 00:22:10.240 When you have like a practice there's already 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:12.779 water and ice that's already been put into a 00:22:12.779 --> 00:22:15.099 big cooler right so you could just have another 00:22:15.099 --> 00:22:20.039 cooler that's specifically dedicated to those 00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:21.779 game ratings right so maybe you usually have 00:22:21.779 --> 00:22:25.019 one cooler with water and ice and it's up on 00:22:25.019 --> 00:22:27.740 you know whatever so you can get you know fill 00:22:27.740 --> 00:22:29.579 up your cup or whatever and take a drink well 00:22:29.579 --> 00:22:31.660 maybe you have another cooler that the spout 00:22:31.660 --> 00:22:33.599 is i don't know turned upside down or something 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:36.970 and you uh have it on the floor or have it a 00:22:36.970 --> 00:22:40.490 little bit lower so you can scoop ice and water 00:22:40.490 --> 00:22:42.569 in and out of this thing more readily or something 00:22:42.569 --> 00:22:47.430 like that. You know, I think just for the logistics 00:22:47.430 --> 00:22:49.849 of it, if you will, it doesn't make sense to 00:22:49.849 --> 00:22:51.509 me to bring that stuff in and out of the weight 00:22:51.509 --> 00:22:54.009 room. Sure, it's cool in the lab. And I know 00:22:54.009 --> 00:22:57.250 that the vacuum one, I've seen the version of 00:22:57.250 --> 00:22:59.730 a vacuum one which looked like a game ready, 00:22:59.769 --> 00:23:02.390 but had some other stuff on top of it from Stanford 00:23:02.390 --> 00:23:07.490 from a few years ago. That one like that looks 00:23:07.490 --> 00:23:09.349 like a lab setting piece of equipment to me, 00:23:09.369 --> 00:23:12.049 you know, it's different. There's different like 00:23:12.049 --> 00:23:14.289 everyday weight room equipment is not the same 00:23:14.289 --> 00:23:17.410 as laboratory equipment. You know, it's sometimes 00:23:17.410 --> 00:23:20.190 a little bit different and either takes more 00:23:20.190 --> 00:23:24.250 time or more knowledge and skills. And you don't 00:23:24.250 --> 00:23:29.950 necessarily always have the means to do all that 00:23:29.950 --> 00:23:32.670 stuff all the time. So I would I would personally 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:35.380 probably use the information from the study more 00:23:35.380 --> 00:23:41.359 for fitness qualities. Yeah. So I think same 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:44.200 applies to, as you're saying, like specific equipment 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:47.339 for measurement and things inside of a study 00:23:47.339 --> 00:23:50.779 versus, you know, practical nature of it out 00:23:50.779 --> 00:23:54.799 in the wild in athletics. And there is something 00:23:54.799 --> 00:23:57.380 to be said for the fact that this is easy to 00:23:57.380 --> 00:23:59.359 try. And if you try it out and it works great 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:01.059 and you're getting good results in your training 00:24:01.059 --> 00:24:05.759 from your kids, uh why not maybe it's not the 00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:08.440 exact same temperatures as it's supposed to be 00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:10.700 throughout the entire workout the buckets warming 00:24:10.700 --> 00:24:13.420 up out in the sun or whatever it is but if it's 00:24:13.420 --> 00:24:16.539 working um and it's getting you some good results 00:24:16.539 --> 00:24:19.900 every week why not you know it's not going to 00:24:19.900 --> 00:24:23.200 hurt anything in this situation agreed agreed 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:27.380 um if it's okay i want to i want to lay out my 00:24:27.380 --> 00:24:30.549 thoughts of like how i would use this like immediately 00:24:30.549 --> 00:24:33.130 what I thought of when I read this and how I 00:24:33.130 --> 00:24:36.470 could use it in sports setting like practically 00:24:36.470 --> 00:24:39.049 that other people you might be able to use it 00:24:39.049 --> 00:24:41.150 you know you might be limited on how many people 00:24:41.150 --> 00:24:46.529 can participate at once but so I get that it's 00:24:46.529 --> 00:24:51.069 probably more conducive to need rapid thermal 00:24:51.069 --> 00:24:55.170 exchange or cooling outside rather than inside 00:24:55.170 --> 00:24:59.880 however Sports that we deal with don't necessarily 00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:03.359 have the timeframes that match up with what could 00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:07.660 be Beneficial based on what I read from the literature, 00:25:07.700 --> 00:25:11.740 right? So my thought was to use it with basketball 00:25:11.740 --> 00:25:16.059 Reason being is that the game readies could be? 00:25:16.460 --> 00:25:20.220 located Really close to where the athletes couldn't 00:25:20.220 --> 00:25:24.900 would need them Media timeouts happen about every 00:25:24.900 --> 00:25:27.890 four minutes And they last a couple of minutes, 00:25:27.890 --> 00:25:31.670 right? I mean, they're not they're not extensive, 00:25:31.670 --> 00:25:34.490 but I think you could get to two minutes of using 00:25:34.490 --> 00:25:39.309 of cooling, at least. I don't think it would 00:25:39.309 --> 00:25:43.230 take. It wouldn't take much, right? So media 00:25:43.230 --> 00:25:45.130 time out, you go sit down on the bench, you've 00:25:45.130 --> 00:25:47.269 got game readies, right? Like behind those seats 00:25:47.269 --> 00:25:49.230 that maybe they could be under the seat, you 00:25:49.230 --> 00:25:51.029 know, where it's kind of protected by like where 00:25:51.029 --> 00:25:53.509 you rest your feet and whatnot, you know, all 00:25:53.509 --> 00:25:57.250 that jazz. athletes could get hooked up and they 00:25:57.250 --> 00:25:58.950 could still listen to the coach. They've got 00:25:58.950 --> 00:26:01.089 one hand free where they could hydrate if they 00:26:01.089 --> 00:26:03.710 needed to, right? So like there's an opportunity 00:26:03.710 --> 00:26:07.329 to do multiple things at once. You could have 00:26:07.329 --> 00:26:10.289 team managers, assistant coaches, athletic trainer, 00:26:10.490 --> 00:26:12.890 hook those people up, you know, as they get to 00:26:12.890 --> 00:26:15.730 the sideline. So once it's, you know, dedicated, 00:26:15.809 --> 00:26:17.630 immediate timeout, boom, you know that, hey, 00:26:17.670 --> 00:26:19.170 all right, we're going to get hooked up here. 00:26:19.490 --> 00:26:22.799 It probably doesn't take very long to Set them 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:24.819 to a certain temperature and you can certain, 00:26:24.819 --> 00:26:27.440 you know set them So I don't even know if they 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:30.039 have Bluetooth Capabilities to like hey I've 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:32.180 turned them on and you can program it to do it 00:26:32.180 --> 00:26:33.660 like from your phone So you don't have to like 00:26:33.660 --> 00:26:35.279 sit there and do it. I don't know what those 00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:37.779 capabilities are but I feel like, and you can 00:26:37.779 --> 00:26:39.839 do that multiple times throughout the game, right? 00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:42.039 Like you're going to have multiple media timeouts 00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:43.279 and you're going to have an opportunity to do 00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:45.680 it. So they're going to go all out for around 00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:49.000 four minutes or so with intermittent bouts. And 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:51.380 then they have the opportunity to cool. I think 00:26:51.380 --> 00:26:55.740 that maybe that could increase the work capacity 00:26:55.740 --> 00:26:57.799 of those players, you know, within those timeframes. 00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:03.640 And honestly. Having the 10 to 15 degrees Celsius. 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:06.299 Obviously I can convert it if I need to have 00:27:06.299 --> 00:27:09.319 it's in Fahrenheit the time frame I think the 00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:11.920 availability as far as like when your players 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:15.400 could use it how often could they use it and 00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:19.380 We could test it right? I think that that's awesome 00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:21.500 that we would be able to do it I think that for 00:27:21.500 --> 00:27:23.819 our situation though our sample size would be 00:27:23.819 --> 00:27:26.859 very small we're gonna be limited to like two 00:27:26.859 --> 00:27:31.549 hand coolers and two foot coolers. Now, my thought 00:27:31.549 --> 00:27:33.769 on the foot may be different and it may not align 00:27:33.769 --> 00:27:37.170 with any results, but I talked about taking the 00:27:37.170 --> 00:27:39.430 sock off and then have, you know, so shoe off, 00:27:39.710 --> 00:27:43.329 sock off, you know, apply thing, get done, sock 00:27:43.329 --> 00:27:46.410 on, shoe on, probably have to retie your shoe. 00:27:46.809 --> 00:27:49.190 So like there's some time that comes with it. 00:27:49.490 --> 00:27:52.430 My thought was just to wrap up with the like 00:27:52.430 --> 00:27:56.490 ankle strap that Game Ready has, keep the sock 00:27:56.490 --> 00:27:59.049 on because it's not going to you know, create 00:27:59.049 --> 00:28:04.009 any like outside moisture to the sock. And then 00:28:04.009 --> 00:28:06.109 maybe that would be an easy way to just put the 00:28:06.109 --> 00:28:08.990 sock on, still get some cooling happening at 00:28:08.990 --> 00:28:11.730 the, you know, at the sole or at the foot and 00:28:11.730 --> 00:28:13.430 then be able to put your shoe on more easily 00:28:13.430 --> 00:28:15.210 and not have to worry about anything else like 00:28:15.210 --> 00:28:16.990 that. I mean, like, I don't know if your foot's 00:28:16.990 --> 00:28:19.410 sweaty, you take your sock off and you're going 00:28:19.410 --> 00:28:23.250 to put the same sock back on. One, it's it's 00:28:23.250 --> 00:28:27.869 like unappealing, right? Two, it typically is 00:28:27.869 --> 00:28:29.789 a little bit harder to put that sock back on 00:28:29.789 --> 00:28:32.589 because your foot was a little like sweaty. So 00:28:32.589 --> 00:28:38.009 maybe we can minimize some of that. I don't know 00:28:38.009 --> 00:28:40.230 some of that situation that where people are 00:28:40.230 --> 00:28:42.970 uncomfortable, you know, or maybe it's just a 00:28:42.970 --> 00:28:45.470 little more difficult than it needs to be. That's 00:28:45.470 --> 00:28:48.470 that's my thought is it could be you're going 00:28:48.470 --> 00:28:50.549 to scrimmage in practice. Maybe you're going 00:28:50.549 --> 00:28:52.549 to scrimmage a team, you know, like another team. 00:28:52.750 --> 00:28:55.630 and it's just for preseason or something. Easy 00:28:55.630 --> 00:28:57.789 to test out at that point, right? If you've got 00:28:57.789 --> 00:29:00.089 game readies, easy to test out of whether or 00:29:00.089 --> 00:29:04.369 not that person actually did better. Maybe their 00:29:04.369 --> 00:29:09.970 RPE was a little bit better. If it's a fitness 00:29:09.970 --> 00:29:14.549 assessment, like we've got a protocol of repeat 00:29:14.549 --> 00:29:18.230 sprintability, excuse me, right now where I've 00:29:18.230 --> 00:29:20.470 gotten that from research. We're able to apply 00:29:20.470 --> 00:29:22.430 it. It's got a long rest time. It's got five 00:29:22.430 --> 00:29:25.910 minute rest time in between the three bouts of 00:29:25.910 --> 00:29:28.710 sprints. And that's a perfect time for us to 00:29:28.710 --> 00:29:34.009 do it twice and see if the coinciding assessment 00:29:34.009 --> 00:29:37.690 or reps were affected positively or negatively 00:29:37.690 --> 00:29:40.450 or not at all. So I mean, I'm definitely planning 00:29:40.450 --> 00:29:43.769 to. to do a small very small study with some 00:29:43.769 --> 00:29:46.190 of my returners you know two randomly are going 00:29:46.190 --> 00:29:48.509 to use the hand cooling two randomly are going 00:29:48.509 --> 00:29:50.549 to use the foot cooling and then i'll have four 00:29:50.549 --> 00:29:54.150 people who won't be doing it again or doing either 00:29:54.150 --> 00:29:57.109 of them so obviously there's there's going to 00:29:57.109 --> 00:30:02.569 be potentially placebo effect for the people 00:30:02.569 --> 00:30:08.450 who are cooling hopefully not Hopefully it's 00:30:08.450 --> 00:30:10.490 not like drastically, you know, I mean what if 00:30:10.490 --> 00:30:12.609 it is and maybe I want it to be drastically better 00:30:12.609 --> 00:30:14.910 But I don't know that there's just something 00:30:14.910 --> 00:30:16.769 I'm gonna work through that I think could be 00:30:16.769 --> 00:30:21.589 beneficial right if it again if it gives us Not 00:30:21.589 --> 00:30:24.970 necessarily purely leading to a win, but let's 00:30:24.970 --> 00:30:32.069 say Somehow it could Calculate or equate to one 00:30:32.069 --> 00:30:35.009 win. I think it's worth it, right? Everyone's 00:30:35.009 --> 00:30:39.049 trying to get one more win Yeah, any little progress 00:30:39.049 --> 00:30:43.109 is progress. Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, so I mean, 00:30:43.109 --> 00:30:47.170 I think there's some further research as always 00:30:47.170 --> 00:30:51.170 that could be done to really solidify this method 00:30:51.170 --> 00:30:55.630 as one that's going to enhance performance and 00:30:55.630 --> 00:31:00.250 there's always things to consider in standardizing. 00:31:00.460 --> 00:31:04.519 the protocols and getting larger groups of participants 00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:08.160 to test with and controlling the cooling and 00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:11.440 the amount of time we're cooling. But and as 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:13.839 you said, the placebo effect. But, you know, 00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:15.839 we all can be little scientists when it comes 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.859 to this and do our own studies and see what works 00:31:18.859 --> 00:31:22.619 for everyone. So agreed. I mean, I would just 00:31:22.619 --> 00:31:27.400 say, look, I really am serious about the looking 00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:30.460 into it and actually Putting forth some research, 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.859 so I'll be talking to people that are smarter 00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:37.359 than me in research and try and put together, 00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:41.700 you know, like a plan to actually get this out 00:31:41.700 --> 00:31:45.039 to see if it actually works. So somebody beats 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:48.680 me to it. You heard it here first. Yeah, I'm 00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:52.759 here to get the I'll get credit. Yeah, the patent 00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:55.900 out for your Bluetooth. game ready if they don't 00:31:55.900 --> 00:31:57.720 have it that way already? I would assume they 00:31:57.720 --> 00:31:59.460 have something that can do that already though. 00:31:59.859 --> 00:32:05.380 Okay. Yeah, that was this awesome article and 00:32:05.380 --> 00:32:08.279 really really thought -provoking for me in general. 00:32:08.380 --> 00:32:10.220 It's like how this could really be beneficial 00:32:10.220 --> 00:32:15.900 and how could I use this? Definitely. Thanks 00:32:15.900 --> 00:32:17.740 everybody for listening. I hope you found something 00:32:17.740 --> 00:32:20.220 out of it. Let us know your thoughts on how you 00:32:20.220 --> 00:32:22.299 would use it, whether or not you think it's actually 00:32:22.299 --> 00:32:25.769 beneficial. Tiana did a great vlog. on the article 00:32:25.769 --> 00:32:29.569 so check that out acesnation .org backslash blog. 00:32:30.349 --> 00:32:32.769 You can check that out of her thoughts initially 00:32:32.769 --> 00:32:35.170 on this and here we are again just kind of sharing 00:32:35.170 --> 00:32:38.490 more thoughts about it on the podcast. So Tiana 00:32:38.490 --> 00:32:40.609 thank you for bringing that to light and bringing 00:32:40.609 --> 00:32:45.210 that you know across my desk if you will so that 00:32:45.210 --> 00:32:48.130 I was able to see it and really kind of run with 00:32:48.130 --> 00:32:51.190 the idea. It's awesome. Yeah I love your insights 00:32:51.190 --> 00:32:53.210 and can't wait to see what you do with the research. 00:32:54.070 --> 00:32:55.829 Thanks, everybody. We will catch you on the next 00:32:55.829 --> 00:32:56.529 one.