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Welcome to Nacho Fitness Coach. I'm Sara the expert and I'm Caleigh the beginner.

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Join us as we discuss fitness culture from our two very different perspectives.

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So grab yourself a protein shake or a glass of wine and let's get started.

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So Kaylee let's talk about feet. Alright so you have some challenging feet. I have

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some some genetic things going on. Yeah. Some lifestyle things. Yep. All of the

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above. Yeah. Got a lot going on with the feet. Uh-huh. I've got the flat feet which

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I was born with. I've always had flat feet which has caused issues with my knees. I

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don't know alignment but it's since I mean I have bunions, I have corns, I have

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whatever everything you can. I probably couldn't get a lot of money for feet

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pictures. You know what I mean? You're not a foot model. You're not gonna be the

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ideal candidate for a foot model. Oh yeah. You know. The private sector. I don't know.

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All of her OnlyFans accounts. There's probably a market out there. There probably is.

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Messed up feet. Well you know there's something for everyone. Yep. So flat

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feet. What exactly is that in tail? My arches are non-existent. I have no

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arch in the foot. Like when I step on concrete getting out of the pool

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like my wet footprint is an oval. It's all in there. Yeah and it never really

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mattered to me too much I guess until I started running. We're discovering all

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kinds of new problems with this whole like health and wellness journey. Yeah and

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it's been tough because I don't I mean I've tried to research. I've been kind of

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told my whole life that like if you have flat feet you need shoes with like arch

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support but that's so uncomfortable to put something you know try to put

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something in a space that's not available. Well I kind of learned that the hard way

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with some new running shoes. Yeah I did. Well also I when I started running I was

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like why don't because I know me I'm like I don't know how long I'm gonna do

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this probably not very long. And so I just went and bought some new Nikes and

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the ones that I bought initially were pretty they were okay they did the job

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and then they had a spot that they started to wear on the seam like wear

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off so it started rubbing and it was gonna cause a blister so I got out of

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those switched to just what my other pair of Nikes that I bought at the same

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time and those have been fine but then yeah recently I was like I'm gonna I

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need to get some like well cuz I started have bunion pain. Alright time for some

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like real running shoes so I did all my research so and I've what the best the

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best running shoes. I bought that and I spent more money on these shoes than I've

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ever spent on a pair of shoes in my life. Yeah. And they were the Hokas I don't

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remember which one they were. I waited all week for them to come. I'm so excited.

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I know how many times was I like my shoes are coming on Monday and so they

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came on Monday and immediately when I put them on I was like oh no like the

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arch was so high and it wasn't it wasn't even just the insole it was like the

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foam on the outside of it was like pushing up into I want to say arch

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there's no arch. The inner part of your foot. And I did I used them for two days on the treadmill and

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second day I sent you that picture of where on that was on both feet. It looks

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painful. It was going to be painful. It wasn't a bruise yet or no. It was like

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the beginnings of a blister. It didn't bruise or anything but I was like these

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aren't obviously that's all right after the second day on the treadmill like

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because the box was still sitting there I just stuck them right back in the box

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and started to return. Did you bad boys back? How do they feel when you were

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wearing them? Like do they feel uncomfortable? Other I mean in that area

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yeah cuz I wore them cuz I got them on Monday I wore them Monday night just to

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like kind of get a you know we weren't doing anything crazy just could get a

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feel for them and I was like they just it was like I couldn't ignore it you know

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so I had a feeling that they were gonna be an issue and they were. So now you're

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back to square one. Now they're gone. With the like footwear research. Yeah. Now the

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Nikes when you got those though you just did you research and just buy them? Not much.

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You just ordered them online though. I didn't order them online I went I tried

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them on. Oh you went to a store? Yeah. Okay. There wasn't a whole lot of pre-research.

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I mean I don't know I might like for me I'm like oh Nikes you know.

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Well recognized. Right. And you're like okay. They were fine that was why I mean I

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gravel ran with those for quite a while and they weren't uncomfortable they were

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fine until that one spot started wearing which I think is pretty common. Which of

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you have bunions forever? No I don't think so I think that's kind of been more

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of an adult problem. So then we're back to square one with the research. So now I've got to get the shoes.

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And so sometimes every once in a while I'm like I wonder if the thing that

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Sarah says to do has any value or you know credence. Everything I say has value.

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Maybe she knows some things I don't know but then I. Maybe not. So you wear

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these flippers. People lack of a better. People do feel like they're flippers.

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They look like. Well it's a lot more awkward for other people to look at me

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than you feel. I feel because I don't even notice them anymore. Okay so you wear

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the five toe. You wear the five fingers. The five fingers. Their toe shoes. You put

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each toe in an individual. Yes. Toe slot. Which. So the other day I was like all

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right I'm gonna. Because they're barefoot shoes. Yeah. And so I was like well let me

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look into this barefoot thing because what I've learned is like getting shoes

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with high arches or high arch support is prob. You can find both arguments for

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flat footed people. Really? Can you believe it? No I can't. Like it's just it's crazy

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that now we have another topic where it's like look you can find whatever you

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want to find. But if you follow the money. Right. Well that's what usually wins out.

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So then you go and you know get fitted for orthotics or insoles or special this. I did.

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Special that. Yep. I don't know it's all a scam. I think it's all a scam. It's all a scam.

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We just need to go and reconnect with nature and just be barefoot all the time.

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And go out and run in forests. You're probably right. But so what I don't know

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what day it was this week I decided all right I'm gonna look into this whole

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barefoot thing that Sarah does. Maybe I just need to let my feet be

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free. I like that. I mean yeah say I stay home so I'm right I'm barefoot quite a

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bit and it feels better than anything else. Yep. And so I started telling you

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like I'm gonna get I'm gonna buy these barefoot shoes. And you were like just get

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on your treadmill with no shoes on. Yeah that's a good start. I was like okay but

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you have a treadmill. I still need new shoes. It's not gonna work outside. It can't just be

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barefoot all the time. I mean you could. So I did and we haven't even talked about

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this yet. I did get on my treadmill. Okay. Oh yeah. My socks on. Yeah. It was fine. It

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was different. I did start feeling some weirdness at my knees. Okay. And I did

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start getting a blister on the bottom of one of my feet. We do need to have a

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conversation other than about the socks. We talked about that a little bit this

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morning too at the workout. Why? Even like socks aren't toe socks. Yeah. Will

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still push your feet together. I'm not gonna go barefoot on my. Why? Not at the gym first of all.

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No you don't need it at the gym. You own a treadmill at your house. I know I just it

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just felt weird. It might be a little rough. Jeremy did get on the treadmill after I did. He was like I

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want to try it and see. He didn't like do a whole thing but he tried it and the

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treadmill was hot because I had just been on it. So like the tread. Yeah. The belt. Of the

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mill. The belt. That thing. It was like warm. But I think I still would have gotten a

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blister probably more so without the socks. Your feet are delicate at this

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point I'm sure. Yeah. So anyway I ordered a couple pairs of barefoot shoes. Yeah.

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But not the toe shoes. No because I did. Everything that I looked at was like kept

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sending me back to the kind that you have. What are they called? Vibram. Okay.

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Every like all the lists of like the best barefoot shoes like those were at

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the tops. I'm like alright whatever. So I go to the site and I'm looking at them

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and I'm like figuring out my size and the more I looked at them I'm just like

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no. Can't do it. It's not where I'm at yet. That's not who I am. I love that for

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you. I love that you can go walk around town in those shoes. I do. That's great. I

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get very weird looks from mostly from kids actually. I feel like they

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notice it more than anything because they're like those funny. I look at you

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weird. You do. I'll see you. Okay. Well then adults look at me weird too. I would love to get to the

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point where I don't know maybe you have to turn 40 first. You know what I mean? I start wearing

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them at like 30. Okay well. So I just spent it in quite a journey for me. You know you just kind of

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think you get to a point where you just don't care anymore. So how I found my barefoot

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shoe experience was when I was training for my full marathon. Wait. Your what? My full

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marathon. Have you never told me you were? We've done. Oh you have told me that's right. I have more than once. It comes up frequently.

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Remember that time you walked the marathon? I race walk. I race walk many races because that's

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enjoyable. I'm not built to be a runner runner. So I started having knee problems

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because I again I was never trained as a runner or I was never you know understood

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the form or anything. I just got this wild hair. I was like I'm gonna go. You got

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bored. I got bored and I was like I'm gonna go train for a full marathon. Right. Why not? You know so I got

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training and so my IT band really started bothering me but it was the same thing. It was go get custom

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more thought. Yeah. Like here's all the things like just basically band-aid it more or support the issue

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more and not necessarily fix what's causing the issue. And at that time my aunt was visiting from

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California you know everything hits the coasts. Yeah. It takes a few years to kind of like work its way into the Midwest.

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And so she was visiting in the summer and her and my cousin had started wearing them and she had had

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some issues maybe her ankle or knee or something I don't know and it was bothering her and so she

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started wearing those gone. And I was like huh maybe I should just do that. Maybe it's the shoes

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even though the orthotics that's really actually bothering my knee or maybe my gates a little off

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or whatever but I was a lazy runner so I was heel striking really bad. And so anyways I started wearing

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them and my knee pain went away and you know and you've been fine ever since. And that cult ever since.

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Ever since. And that's what I realized this past week it's a cult. Oh I told you. That's a whole situation. It is very much so.

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Because like I've mentioned before when I have an interest in something I go and like join all the

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subreddits all the Facebook groups like related to that topic and yeah that's a whole it's a whole new

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world. And here's the interesting thing was that because the people who are on the side of being

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barefoot like it's the only way to go if you're not if you put your shoes or your feet into regular

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shoes you know that's a cardinal sin don't do it never again. I agree with those people. Okay but

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I did read an article about and I don't remember what it was maybe I can find it again but I read

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an article about how it was from a foot doctor what are they called a podiatrist? Yes. They were saying

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like yes bare feet can be great yes that's probably the way it was supposed to be our feet were not

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supposed to be shoved inside shoes that don't fit us right but the fact of the matter is they

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already were so you can't just go straight from shoes with true xxx support and then to nothing

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to nothing because you don't have those muscles built up yet right and so you're going to probably

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potentially cause more problems by just going barefoot. Yes well I or well we say barefoot

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but we haven't really explained what barefoot shoes are. So that's true so I mean they vary

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they don't have to have the toes in them no basically like the def I don't know if it's the

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true definition but to me a barefoot shoe is something that doesn't have any kind of like

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foam bottom have the zero drop where like your have front of your foot and the back head at the

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same level. Yes have zero drop have zero like curvature in the bottom you know the first thing

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I do anytime we get shoes is I rip out that even like that little like insert. Yeah well and the

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way that they squeeze your toes together the way that our toes look if you think of a baby's toes

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yeah they're so wide splayed out whereas like you look at an adult's toes or they're all gotten

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crushed together and that's not that's not the way it was supposed to be. No and that's definitely

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a lifestyle thing where it's happened over time. Yeah so then you know when you think about it

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though like you know it's really big in like the yoga world where it's just like you know your feet

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are what ground you and you know being able to spread out and plant and it's one of those things

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where it's your connection yeah and it's we've all gotten squished into like our shoes and so our feet

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aren't functioning well but think about it I mean your foot is literally what kind of aligns your

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entire body yeah you know if your feet are not functioning properly you're gonna be compensating

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it and that's what I'm realizing now I'm like my posture is awful yeah and I think it's all connected

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it's all connected so it's like hmm maybe because my feet aren't like sprawled out and I'm using my

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toes all correctly and like you know having you know the way in my foot hits the ground well and

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you saw this morning how my feet hit the ground and just standing you know where my ankles came in

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my knees I walk with my feet pointed outwards because when my feet and my toes are pointed

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outwards my knees are straight ahead where they should be but if I put my feet straight ahead like

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a normal person walks yeah my knees point inward you go knock me a little bit so we need to work on

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probably some hip strengthening stuff though too because you can work on bringing that out so those

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are the things are important though to understand when you start strength training and then like

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loading your movements you know the last thing you want to do when you're doing lower body exercises

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is for your knees to start caving in because that's going to create all kinds of issues too so

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you have to have that strong foundation yeah and it does it starts with your feet yeah and kind of

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that connection and that grounding and that whatever you know so you know years ago I would always see

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um a lot of gym people at the gym and they would wear converse shoes oh gosh because at that time

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they had the zero drop they were yeah on the bottom the rubber but like what was getting very

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quickly underestimated was how narrow they are yeah pinch and point your toes in and I tried converse

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one time probably 10 years ago it hurt that I wore them literally one time and took them back they

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hurt my feet so bad yep yep and so you know because they're very very very narrow and so yes

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it was the beginning of the like strength training world I guess to figure out okay

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having zero drop like you don't yeah and you don't want to lift in running shoes yeah it's very

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unstable yeah you know because you're basically standing on like little cushions there and you're

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just and it's going to roll in and out and a lot of running shoes will force your gait to either

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roll your foot slightly out or slightly in and so I don't know if that's due to like trying to correct

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natural things happening yeah you know while you're running or not but figuring that out and defining

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solving the true problem is definitely the way to go so there's some instagram accounts I've

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shared with you though that I've found like they have really helpful content on like information

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and so they there's some suggestions for like exercises and things like that so yeah it's like

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I looked into that the exercises and I've started doing them a little bit but the one thing I read

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was like do this for 30 minutes every I don't that's a long time you know yeah I feel like a

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little bit something would I like to fix my feet sure yes that's a long time no no well and that's

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even like you mentioned that the barefoot kind of shoe it's not usually like switching 100% to it

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yeah right I we don't wear shoes in our house so we walk around barefoot a lot at home so I was

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pretty used to it already I did just do the cold switch yeah I just got rid of them I was fine but

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my husband he has had plantar fasciitis and different things that have happened with his

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foot feet and so he did more of the I'm gonna wear these yeah you know 15 minutes a day and then

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switch and slow did the gradual thing yeah helped him a little bit see now I don't know which way I

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need to I don't know I'll try these new shoes they're coming tomorrow so they're they're flat on the

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bottom but then they've got like full they've got the full shoe on top you don't have to fit your

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toes in no yeah there's no toes so you know like no that's just weird I don't know maybe I'll get

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there someday but well I have started expanding because you know I started wearing them I was

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traveling for my corporate job a lot and they were a very big topic of conversation and I you know

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I like having conversations with people I know I struggle with random people yeah airport and you

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know the runner community and that's awesome conversation starter it's your weird shoes it is

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especially with runners and because you'll see people you know in the running community it's

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like they can pick each other out I mean really any community yeah I recognize somebody that's

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like you right right so there I mean I would have people that were runners stopping me

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oh that's terrible and they hey do you run in those oh yeah I've done half marathons on them

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and they're like do you like them well I mean I'm obviously wearing them so I do really like them

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and yes I've ran races and I'm well I've race walked my races yeah let's just make sure that's

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clear and so but it was a non-stop conversation starter and that was really super irritating for

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me as a very personal like introvert in like social with strangers it was like I just want

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to put on my headphones and not have to talk so they have now since come out with so many

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different options to get barefoot shoes that look regular on top yep have a wide toe box

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so they've got plenty of room to spread out and so they are definitely less they're less obvious

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yeah and you've got lots of options yeah there's a lot out there so I'm excited to see kind of what

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you think yeah about yours yeah when you get it in but excited it'll be a good time but take it easy

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yeah just kind of work on it right now I think I probably won't run in them initially I think

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that's another way other things to straighten out oh I was gonna ask you do you you love this whole

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you love this whole barefoot thing do you have you been were you like a kid that like ran around

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barefoot outside I don't think so but I grew up in the out the farm yeah country kid and so like

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we never wore shoes in the house because right it was just it's dirty out country and so um I

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just have always been barefoot inside okay I didn't know if you were one of those fair old children

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no I don't really I don't remember that much I don't particularly care for do I seem like I

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would be that kind of kid I don't know I don't know I grass I think I don't really like the feeling

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of grass yeah on my feet so I can't walk outside at all and I because I don't wear socks than

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ever either I mean my feet are really rough and so you would think that would make it easier to walk

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out on harder surfaces concrete gravel whatever it's not it's almost like worse because then it

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cracks all the hard stuff and it's probably good money for those pictures I the cracking

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I probably could there's probably some product of hey if you are the marketing person at some

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company that has some crack fixing cream or something like I got your I got your befores

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I got here before I was I'll do what I'm talking about no I don't think I'm talking about

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oh all right these two are totally different levels I am I'm taking it one way

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are you gonna fill me in are you just gonna leave me hanging there are I mean there is a

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wide population of people out there who want pictures of feet oh like finished people

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I'm like taking this down the marketing you missed it earlier I totally missed it

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oh sweet night oh sweet baby angel it's a whole stay that's a real thing stay sweet

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it's a very real thing really I mean it's true you can I mean really why I know from experience

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people like feet that's weird and it really is just as simple as pictures pictures of your feet

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yeah you can make money doing that good money oh we're in the wrong you wear me with my big old

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clod hop and flat feet and you and your rough man feet we could probably make some pretty good money

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we probably could this episode was going really really well like we were really it was very

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we were hitting some good points until you had like four more drinks of your high news

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you know I just knew I couldn't let this episode end without talking about

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Alan was dying over there so I can't see Alan because he's off to my side so sometimes I feel

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like I'm in the worst seat in the house because I can't see Alan's reactions

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oh no okay well then now I know you know you learn something new every day a little extra

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income here and there I don't know I don't think I've ever seen your actual feet so I can't tell you

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well I mean yeah they're covered with my shoes what you're gonna get for those but

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oh well I guess how do I find out okay I don't think anyway I'm like wait money

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Alan's like I know a guy

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he's like no

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anyway I have no idea where I don't know I mean we started talking about footwear and then you

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you hightailed it to feet and that's fine we can bring it back though I mean we'll we'll act like

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I changed the subject I really we're still talking about feet we are well I mean it's footwear yeah

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which you do put on your feet technically but I guess I did take there a little bit because you

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asked me started talking about well you asked look like you asked if I walked around barefoot as a

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kid yeah so I guess here we go we're all brought up do you also also put your kids do you try to keep

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them in like barefoot shoes yes there's one I actually tried to find kid-sized versions of my

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Vibram shoes and they don't have them I could not find them so if they exist I don't wasn't able to

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look at them um but you know kids do it is nice for them to have protection of their toes like

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with like a thicker rubber because they are rough and they play and they do all the things and so

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I don't know they they might struggle if I even was able to find their size so there is a very

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specific version of tennis shoes that I do put them in yeah that first thing I do though when

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I get them is I take the insoles out you do so they're straight on the rubber bottoms but they've

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got a nice wide toe box um I bought both of my kids keen's last summer oh which are not they're

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not technically barefoot but no they do have a nice wide toe box and like there and a lot of

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protection I mean it's a closed yeah toes good for the summer yeah they're great shoes for the

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war proof for the longest time I mean his my oldest like her feet were really wide from the

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very beginning and I always felt bad you know even like the little sparrows yeah they're so cute and

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you think oh this is yeah great and like I put them on her and it was no or even the converse is

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for her yeah like super narrow it's not it wasn't fitting her feet very well so for the longest time

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she was just in crocs yeah because crocs did at least give her a nice wide kind of toe box

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so that's kind of their summer pick even still usually to date to today yeah and then yeah I

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do have a kid's version of play plae is the brand of shoes that they and my extensive research

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that they wear you came across in a moment so it's a white toe box and they have a chain well and the

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brand that I bought I don't know how you say it cigar cigars cigars yeah I don't know I never

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heard it's like a cheap I mean you I think you even get them at walmart it's like a 40 dollar

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pair of shoes they have kids shoes oh they do see so some of them would be good to get but it's hard

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for like little girls to get like dress shoes that are nice and wide because they all just go straight

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out there narrow and so they are coming out with a lot of like I see adult shoes anyway there's a

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lot of like mary jane style shoes or like ballet flats oh yeah that would give her some room a

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little bit more so yeah they still don't cut them very wide no they're not very wide so she's usually

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in like her really pretty sequiny tuly spinning around dress with her crocs because that's just

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how that's how we roll I mean she knows it's fine the way it should be that's she can take the pick

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and that was kind of the other thing that kind of like I always knew I had flat feet and I knew I

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had feet issues but it wasn't until like high school you know college age where all these girls

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were out wearing high heels it's ridiculous I would try to I would try to wear heels I'm like

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what is wrong with me like why can't I figure this out why can't I wear heels I could not

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physically could not walk in them did they were they painful extremely oh really I could not

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and even still because it happened just a few months ago I went to a wedding and I got a wild

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hair and I was like oh I'm gonna wear these and they're not high high heels probably have a

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I don't know inch and a half all right I'm gonna wear these I'm gonna take some sensible shoes

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along to change into because I know better and I don't know why I do this because it never

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goes well I can't walk I can't walk from the car into the you couldn't even get across the parking

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I mean it hurts and not only that but I look ridiculous because I remember I used to watch

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girls I'm like how are they what are they doing that I can't do how are they walking what am I

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missing I just I don't know what I can't do it my feet don't fit in heels that doesn't bad news

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bad news yeah I have well it was never meant to be I have for the most part sworn off

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no it's hard they're beautiful and they are very fun they're pretty but they are not for everybody

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they're not good for your feet that's for sure not good for your feet so you know stick give it a

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try I'm excited to hear yeah we'll have to like talk about this again after you get your shoes

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and you start kind of working into them and running to see how it goes because I do think

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it'll be really interesting to see what changes yeah if anything maybe nothing changes and you go

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back to those nike's I don't know okay but hopefully yeah I was just really disappointed with the

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hokas yeah that's a bummer because that's all I ever hear too about like yeah and I actually

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specifically seeked out shoes for like flat feet bunions and like that's what kept pulling up yeah

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so hmm we're gonna convert you over to the dark side all right barefoot all the way oh that is a

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really loud train oh well then I guess just in time are we hearing that in our headphones yeah

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yeah it's totally like why is that train so much louder it's kind of freaky all right well anyway

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it has a wrap up this episode we'll send you off with that train noise in the back of the building

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that was really loud tonight so with that all right until next time bye

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