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Ertzaintza's gonna get you

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Watch your back, watch your back

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Ertzaintza's  gonna get you

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Watch your back, watch your back

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Oh, there's a crime here

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It's a coming from the Euskal hernia

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Gotta wash those red hands

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It's the crimes of the basquelands

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It's the crimes of the basquelands

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It was probably raining a lot here

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Pays Basque of France

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The northern Basque Country

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Anyway, this is the crimes of the Basque lands

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Welcome everybody

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You guys know this is the True Crime Podcast

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We expect this podcast to be hashtag Mom Safe

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Oh yes, yes

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So not too many gory details for everybody listening

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There's a little gore

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But yeah, it's Mom Safe for sure

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It's pretty Mom Safe

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We'll go cover your ears, moms

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But anyway, it's crimes of the Basque lands and it's a True Crime Podcast

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Be prepared for crimes

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And it's covering crimes that are in the Basque Country

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Any tenuous link

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This week we're drinking

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And we were saying it's pretty acidic, right?

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This week we have a mom safe episode, okay?

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You know, there's no murder

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Go for it babe

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The chain? It's a basketball chain

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Wendy's is the girl

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I'm supposing a chili con carne

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Chili con carne?

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Yeah, a lot of it is chili con carne, but I usually make vegetarian

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With beans

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Only

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Love chili, love it

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It's basically like a bean stew

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And you can add meat, any kind of meat

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Essentially

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It's kind of spicy, there's different levels

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Of spicy

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Alright, so Anna had ordered

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A chili for herself, okay?

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And after a few bites

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She bit into something she would later describe

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As crunchy, and spat it out

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Oh my gosh, no, no, no

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Okay, okay

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She and her table companions

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Began to examine the strange object

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In her food, and noticed a human

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Fingernail attached to it

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Oh my gosh

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After vomiting

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She stood and walked

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Around the dining area

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With the item on a napkin

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Telling people, quote

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Don't eat the chili, look what I found in mine

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Oh my gosh

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Yeah

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The manager came over

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To see what the commotion was

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And examine the strange meat, quote unquote

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Like, I'm saying meat, air quotes

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And confirmed that it did

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Have a fingernail attached to it

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Oh

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Anna called the police, who then

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Sat about interviewing Anna and her

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Family, and the staff at the restaurant

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The police took the

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Strange meat and sent it over to

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Be inspected by the medical examiner

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Okay

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It was determined to be part of a human

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Finger, four centimeters

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Or one and a half inches

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That's pretty big

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Oh man, it's like an inch you said

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Yeah, it's a pretty

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An inch and a half

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So that's like the end of your

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From your knuckle on, I guess

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Pretty much the two last little knuckle

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Bits

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On

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Let's take a break

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Before we get into the rest of it

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We're back

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So, I'm gonna like go between

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Calling her Ayala

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And Anna

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Through this story, okay

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Well, she's a missus isn't she, she's married

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Yeah, she's married at this point, yeah

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So Ayala and her husband

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Anna and her husband Jamie

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Or Jaime, they returned to

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Their home in Las Vegas and promptly

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Hired an attorney, as you would

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I mean, this is America after all

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That's right, it's a very religious country

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Famously

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Wendy's Corporation were coming for you

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I know right, yeah well, I mean

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Clearly a get in the way with you

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So, they hired the attorney

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And Wendy's was then informed by

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Her lawyer, obviously, that Anna

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Intended to sue them

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That's just shit, come on

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Okay, so when

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News broke about this disgusting

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Discovery, Anna

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Granted interviews to anyone and

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Everyone who asked

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And basically wouldn't shut up

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About her terrible experience

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I mean, I would too

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She described the episode as, quote, sick

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And disgusting

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And claimed to be suffering from a lack of sleep

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And appetite and emotional distress

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I mean, I would

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I think I could ever eat a chili again

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Right?

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Right, that would fit me up

386
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And I love chili, I make chili at least

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Once a year in the winter

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With cornbread, you have to have chili with

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Cornbread, that's the accompaniment

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What? Interesting

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Alright, I'm going to make some this winter

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And I'm going to invite you over for some chili and cornbread

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Because it's the bomb

394
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So, she made

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An appearance on a morning talk show

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These are, you know, these morning talk shows

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Where they are on for like hours at a time

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In the morning, so there's like

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The Today Show and the

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Good Morning America and America

401
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Blah, blah, blah, I don't know, I can't remember all the names of them

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But she went on Good Morning America

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And she went to

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Talk about her lawsuit against Wendy's

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When she was asked

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What happened, she said, quote

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Well, while I

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Was eating my chili and

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I usually crack all my

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Crackers and just put

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Put them in there

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Mix it all around

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And started eating, eating

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And eating, the way people

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Usually eat

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And suddenly I chew something that's kind of

417
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Hard, crunchy, spit it out

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At first I wasn't

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Sure what it was, and as we started

420
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Investigating, poking it

421
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Other people too

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That's when we find that

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There's something that looks like a nail

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End quote

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Oh my gosh, yeah, pretty horrible

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I don't know if this is very

427
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Mom safe, it depends what kind of moms we have

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It's mom safe, for sure

429
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And my mom for sure

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I think remembers this story

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I'll have to ask her next time I talk to her

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Okay, so obviously

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The public was horrified

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By the story and it was all over the news

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Right?

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Because I mean, this is a great story

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Right? For the news cycle

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It's a classic, yeah

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What? A finger in chili?

440
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Bash and Carp America

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Yeah

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So, you know, also it brought back memories

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To everybody of the Ecolibrary

444
00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,000
Outbreak in 1992

445
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In when, is what you mean?

446
00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,000
At Jack in the Box

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Have you heard of Jack in the Box?

448
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I have heard about it

449
00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,000
So yeah, at Jack in the Box restaurants

450
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In 1992 there was an Ecolibrary Outbreak

451
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And this sickened many people

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And it even caused some deaths

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So over 700 people were affected by this

454
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And then

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So 700 people were affected by it

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Before they discovered that the source

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Came from the hamburger patties

458
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That were purchased

459
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By the restaurant

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In California and the Pacific Northwest

461
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So specifically that area

462
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Your hot and ground

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In my neck of the woods, yeah

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So I remember this story

465
00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,000
When this happened, yeah

466
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Because I was in high school at the time

467
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When this happened

468
00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,000
So Jack in the Box as a result

469
00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,000
Suffered huge revenue losses

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And this time around it wouldn't be any different

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00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,000
For Wendy's

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00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,000
So people in general stopped eating out

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00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,000
And Wendy's restaurant

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00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,000
In particular saw so much of their business

475
00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,000
Plummeting that across the country

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Their staff lost hours

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You know, work hours

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00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,000
And then their jobs

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Eventually

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00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,000
So this potentially

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00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,000
Multi-million dollar lawsuit

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00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,000
On their hands

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00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,000
Wendy's Corporation began an investigation

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00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,000
Of their own

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00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,000
Oh, man

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00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,000
So the police obviously

487
00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,000
Were interested in finding out where this finger

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00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,000
Had come from

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00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,000
Sure, there is DNA, well it is 1992

490
00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,000
Oh, no, what was it? 2005 you said it was?

491
00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,000
2005, yeah

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00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,000
So DNA should be around

493
00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,000
92 was the equal I think

494
00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,000
Yeah, this is 2005

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00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,000
So what began

496
00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,000
Is like a public health investigation

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00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,000
It later turned into like

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A criminal forensic

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Investigation

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For their part

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Wendy's had hired their own team of private

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Investigators and forensic

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Experts to test and verify the integrity

504
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,000
Of their food supply and processing

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To counter

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Ayaala's claim

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Sounds great

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00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,000
So both investigations

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Determined that the finger didn't belong to any

510
00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,000
Of the employees at the restaurant

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It also didn't belong to anyone tasked

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00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,000
With the packaging or processing of the

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Ingredients that went into the making

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00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,000
Of Wendy's chili

515
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All across their food supply chain

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Right

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And the finger, although it was found

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To be cooked

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Determined to have not been cooked in any

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Chili at any Wendy's restaurant

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Why? Because

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They had a very specific method for

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00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,000
Perfecting their recipe

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Their chili was always cooked at 170

525
00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,000
Degrees for 3 hours

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Always

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So really well cooked

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Well and

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I studied this when I was studying

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00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,000
Communication in university

531
00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,000
And it's called like the

532
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,000
McDonaldization of things

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00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,000
So where you

534
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,000
The processes of doing things

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00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,000
Are so precise and standard

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00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,000
That the result is going to be

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00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,000
Exactly the same every time

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00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,000
For you to recognize that taste

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00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,000
You eat a hamburger at McDonald's in

540
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,000
Taiwan, it's going to taste exactly the same

541
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,000
As the hamburger you eat in California

542
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,000
Pretty much

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00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,000
They might have different things on the menu

544
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,000
To suit the local

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00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,000
Like I remember in Turkey

546
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,000
When we were in Turkey they had

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Kebabs on the menu

548
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,000
We didn't go to McDonald's but we just saw

549
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They had kebabs

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00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,000
That's cute, well resisted

551
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,000
Well resisted

552
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,000
I actually haven't eaten at McDonald's in like

553
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,000
Over 30 years probably

554
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,000
Oh I've eaten at McDonald's

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00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,000
I mean you know like the last time

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00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,000
I guess, I don't know if it was the last time

557
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,000
But in Taiwan

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00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,000
It was so hot and humid

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00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,000
We'd go in to just sit there for like

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An hour and have an ice cream when they are con

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00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,000
In a nice bathroom

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00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,000
In the middle of downtown

563
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,000
We did that too when we were in Mexico

564
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,000
That's right, when we were in Mexico and Guatemala

565
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,000
Traveling around, we went to McDonald's

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00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,000
To have a McFlurry which is the

567
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,000
Milkshake thing

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00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,000
Because we were like oh my god a milkshake

569
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,000
Because you know they don't

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00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,000
Sit in the cold air con

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00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,000
An ice cream dessert

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00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,000
And they generally

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00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,000
Have reasonable bathrooms

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00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,000
It's a public service

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00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,000
They do serve a purpose

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The trip, I was

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1998 was

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The time I most stayed at McDonald's

579
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,000
Me and my dad went to Russia

580
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,000
And it was 1998

581
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,000
So not very long after

582
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,000
You know the end of communism

583
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,000
It was like about 10 years later

584
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,000
I heard a story about Russia introducing

585
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,000
When McDonald's went in to Russia

586
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,000
For many years it was the

587
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000
Most selling McDonald's for like a decade or more

588
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,000
Maybe two decades

589
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,000
It was like the most

590
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,000
Customers served

591
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,000
The biggest number of burgers

592
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,000
All those things, they had their record in

593
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,000
Moscow

594
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,000
But because of that, like not because of that

595
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,000
I don't know, like you know it's a crazy market

596
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,000
Russia, but there were almost no

597
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,000
Restaurants in the whole of the capital

598
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,000
City of Moscow

599
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,000
So we had to keep going to McDonald's

600
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,000
Because it's like the only thing that we saw

601
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,000
There was somewhere to eat, yeah

602
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,000
Out of the house, yeah

603
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,000
So we went to McDonald's a lot that time

604
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,000
So

605
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,000
Back to the matter at hand

606
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,000
Back to the story

607
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,000
No pun intended

608
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,000
So anyway

609
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,000
It was determined that this finger

610
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,000
Had not been cooked at this temperature

611
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,000
For this period of time

612
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,000
So that's what they could determine

613
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,000
It's easy to do

614
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,000
Police interviews revealed that two of the three relatives

615
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,000
Who were with her on that day claimed she had vomited

616
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,000
After the discovery of the finger

617
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,000
Two out of three, okay

618
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,000
But then when they went back and re-interviewed

619
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,000
Her mother-in-law and father-in-law

620
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,000
They both admitted that they hadn't actually

621
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,000
Witnessed her vomit

622
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,000
And then in

623
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,000
One source I read that her father-in-law

624
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,000
Vomited

625
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,000
After the discovery

626
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,000
I mean I would have probably

627
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,000
And then investigators could

628
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,000
Find no signs that anyone had

629
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,000
Vomited at the restaurant on that day

630
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,000
And that employees assured them that they

631
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,000
Hadn't cleaned up anything

632
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,000
They'd never cleaned up any vomit

633
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,000
And none of the family members that

634
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,000
Accompanied her saw her with the finger

635
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,000
In her mouth and had only noticed

636
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,000
It when she pointed it out at the bottom of her

637
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,000
Chili bowl saying that she'd just spit

638
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,000
It out. So police start to look more

639
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,000
Closely at the woman at the center

640
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,000
Of this event

641
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,000
They began to suspect that Anna Ayala

642
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,000
Was attempting to pull off a rather

643
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,000
Macabre case of insurance fraud

644
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,000
Oh man

645
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,000
Wow. So in an effort to

646
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,000
Find the owner of the finger, police were said

647
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,000
To have heard rumors about a recent

648
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,000
Passing of one of Ayala's aunts

649
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,000
Oh. But Anna denied

650
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,000
That any, she had any

651
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,000
Like recently deceased relatives

652
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,000
It's a hard thing to deny

653
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,000
Right. Something you could prove

654
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,000
Yes or no? This happened or not?

655
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,000
I've done my family tree

656
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,000
I have relatives dying every week

657
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,000
I've got hundreds of

658
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,000
Cousins everywhere. Sorry, I can do

659
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,000
Lipses. Thank you for this

660
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,000
And being born, I mean I'm getting

661
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,000
Married. It's just big families

662
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,000
That's what happens. That's what happens. People die

663
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,000
So what police did discover

664
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,000
Is that she had

665
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,000
A penchant for filing lawsuits

666
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,000
Against establishments

667
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,000
Big corporate, yeah. That's another easy one to check

668
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,000
Oh man. And they would soon

669
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,000
Find out that she was someone whose word

670
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,000
Could not be trusted

671
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,000
Bum bum bum

672
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,000
Should we take a break before we continue?

673
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,000
I want to be slightly

674
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,000
Culturalist and say she don't

675
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,000
Sound too Basque

676
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,000
Because the Basques

677
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,000
Are very proud of their word

678
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,000
You know that, don't you?

679
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,000
Well, I think there's a lot of cultures

680
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,000
That would say that. I agree

681
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,000
But it is still a fact

682
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,000
Don't the Italian

683
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,000
Mafiosos say the same thing?

684
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,000
Totally. I mean I believe

685
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,000
The word of an Italian mafioso

686
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,000
I don't know about you

687
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,000
I think I dig in for their word

688
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,000
I will kill you and your family

689
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,000
I mean even

690
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,000
I will protect you or your family

691
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,000
You know, nice ones as well

692
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,000
That's what came to mind

693
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,000
We're having a break in any case

694
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,000
Yeah, let's take a break

695
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,000
We're back

696
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,000
Okay so

697
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:47,920
A look into her past revealed that several civil claims involving both herself or her

698
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:55,960
children, 13 in total, had occurred in both California and Nevada.

699
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,960
So here's her history.

700
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:58,960
A little bit of it.

701
00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:59,960
It's not all of it.

702
00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:02,120
I'm not going to name 13.

703
00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:10,200
So in 1998, she filed a sexual harassment suit against her employer, La Oferta, and

704
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,160
review a newspaper.

705
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,280
And it was later dropped.

706
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:23,640
In 2004, she claimed that the restaurant El Pollo Loco had settled with her for $30,000

707
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,000
after her daughter picked up a nasty case of salmonella after eating there.

708
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,680
$30,000 is a nice one.

709
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:36,400
But when police spoke with the chain, they acknowledged the lawsuit had happened, but

710
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:41,320
they hadn't paid her a dime as the claim couldn't be substantiated.

711
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,440
She was telling people that she'd won $30,000 or she had won this in the lawsuit.

712
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,640
It's a weird one.

713
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,640
Yeah.

714
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:55,920
Also in 2004, Ayala filed a suit against the Goodyear Tire Corporation and General Motors

715
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:56,920
Corporation.

716
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,280
She's going for them all.

717
00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,280
Going for them.

718
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,280
I like her.

719
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,280
Somewhat.

720
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,280
Gumsher.

721
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,760
At least she's going for like big corporate.

722
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:09,840
Okay, so anyway, she had a suit against Goodyear Tire Corporation and General Motors, claiming

723
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,680
that a tire had come off her car while driving.

724
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,640
And that lawsuit was dismissed because she fired her attorney.

725
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,040
Then she didn't show up for her court dates or file the proper paperwork.

726
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,080
So the lesson there is don't fire your attorney because they're the ones that take care of

727
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,080
all that shit for you.

728
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,080
I'm hoping they do.

729
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,080
Some doubts.

730
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,080
Yeah.

731
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:37,040
San Jose police soon discovered a more despicable act of fraud and theft in Anna's past when

732
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:42,840
they uncovered a police report that was filed in 2003 in San Jose.

733
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:49,880
So this report was from a woman by the name of Bertha Davila.

734
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:50,880
Davila.

735
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:51,880
Davila?

736
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:52,880
Davila.

737
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,360
I don't know where the accent would be.

738
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:58,520
It didn't have an accent on her name, so I don't know where the accent would be.

739
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:07,960
So in September of 2002, Bertha, Bertha Davila, she agreed to purchase a mobile home in San

740
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,460
Jose from Anna Ayala for $52,000.

741
00:27:12,460 --> 00:27:16,240
So Bertha's first language is Spanish.

742
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:21,560
And so to complete the transaction, Anna accompanied Bertha to the real estate office to file the

743
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:27,520
paperwork that was necessary for the sale and then was going to stand in as her translator.

744
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,000
Right?

745
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:38,120
So in addition, Davila had no credit history or social security number, which would turn

746
00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:40,280
out to complicate the matter.

747
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:47,360
So the real estate agent informed Ayala that Davila didn't qualify for the purchase because

748
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:51,720
of her lack of credit history and social security number and therefore couldn't buy the mobile

749
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,660
home.

750
00:27:53,660 --> 00:27:58,800
Something that Ayala conveniently left out in her translation to Bertha.

751
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,100
Oh, man.

752
00:28:01,100 --> 00:28:07,040
So the agent gave the pair some paperwork for a sale by owner transaction.

753
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,040
Okay?

754
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:15,120
Davila filled out the paperwork and then returned it to Anna, who agreed to bring it back to

755
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:18,960
the real estate agent and, you know, to continue the transaction.

756
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:19,960
Right?

757
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,280
And she gave her $11,000 as a down payment.

758
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:32,560
So this was, you know, all her savings, basically all the money she had in the world.

759
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:37,200
So believing that everything had been done to complete the transaction of the sale and

760
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:44,040
the purchase of the home, Bertha moved into the home with her family in October of 2002.

761
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,160
Three weeks later, she received an eviction notice from the bank, giving her three days

762
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,560
to vacate.

763
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:57,840
The owner of the home had defaulted on their loan and the owner wasn't Anna Ayala.

764
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,920
Oh, she was pretending it was her.

765
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:01,920
Oh, man.

766
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,440
It was her now husband, but then boyfriend's property.

767
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,440
Oh my gosh.

768
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,320
Yeah, the plot thickens again.

769
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:10,320
Jamie.

770
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:11,320
Jaime.

771
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,240
Oh, it was Jaime.

772
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,900
So Bertha had no choice but to leave the house and was now broke, like having given Anna

773
00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:22,000
everything she had in the world.

774
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,000
Right?

775
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,000
Fucking hell.

776
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,360
So Bertha could not contact Ayala as Ayala had left with her husband and moved to Las

777
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,600
Vegas at this point.

778
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:32,600
Yeah.

779
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:33,600
Okay.

780
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,800
So but Bertha didn't give up and she found out a year later where she lived and went

781
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,800
to confront Anna about the money.

782
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:41,800
Right?

783
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,840
Where's my $11,000?

784
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,240
And Anna acted like she had no idea what she was talking about.

785
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,960
And of course, she never returned any of her money.

786
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:57,740
And so poor Bertha, you know, her only recourse was to go file a police report with the San

787
00:29:57,740 --> 00:30:01,720
Jose police for grand theft.

788
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:06,600
So grand theft, I looked up, I was trying to figure out the differences between these

789
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:07,600
crimes.

790
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:14,400
Grand theft is a specific intent crime, meaning that the person taking the property must have

791
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:20,800
had the exact intent of depriving the victim of property or stealing.

792
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,040
So meaning she meant to steal money from her.

793
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,440
Intentional theft, let's call it.

794
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:34,680
So when San Jose police showed up at Anna Ayala's house in Vegas on April 14th to interview

795
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:41,040
her about this whole Wendy's thing, she refused to cooperate with them.

796
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,280
She would complain to the media and anyone else who would listen, because she really

797
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:50,080
liked the media, that they were harassing her family and treating them like quote terrorists.

798
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:56,520
Oh yeah, it was post 9-11, so now we can say we're terrorists.

799
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,520
Sorry.

800
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,800
Oh my goggles.

801
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:07,880
So a search warrant was issued, but I couldn't find what they found.

802
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,440
That never was reported, I guess, what they found or if they found anything.

803
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:18,120
Meanwhile, post finger incident, Wendy's was struggling with damage control, right?

804
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:24,080
At the time, they were the US's third largest fast food chain.

805
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:31,240
They claimed that sales were down by a million dollars a day since the story broke.

806
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,800
They gave a press conference in April and implemented a PR campaign offering a free

807
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:43,080
frosty to anyone in the Bay Area, which they later expanded to the nation.

808
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,080
So frosty is like a chocolate shake thing.

809
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,040
It's like their little specialty.

810
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,480
It's like a very particular flavor.

811
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,520
It's a chocolate shake basically.

812
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,520
Nice, sounds fun.

813
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:53,520
It is good.

814
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:54,520
They're good.

815
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,160
I like a frosty.

816
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:02,900
So on April 21st, Las Vegas police, because they were involved because she lived there,

817
00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:09,720
they arrested her for the San Jose police and they charged Ana Ayala with a felony attempted

818
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,540
grand larceny for the fraudulent claim against Wendy's and grand theft for the scam that

819
00:32:14,540 --> 00:32:16,000
she committed against Davila.

820
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,000
Oh good.

821
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,800
So she got arrested for both things.

822
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:19,800
Nice.

823
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,000
I'm happy Davila is getting something.

824
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:30,200
Grand larceny, which is what they charged her for the Wendy's thing, is a crime defined

825
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:35,640
as larceny of property worth more than the given state's statutory requirement.

826
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:36,640
Wow.

827
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:37,640
What does that mean?

828
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,640
Okay.

829
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,080
So the minimum property value for grand larceny often ranges between a hundred and a thousand

830
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,120
dollars.

831
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,500
For example, in New York, a person is guilty of grand larceny when they steal property

832
00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:51,640
at a value greater than $1,000.

833
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:57,240
So because she was trying to steal money from Wendy's in a larger sum, like suing for whatever

834
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:03,800
amount she decided, X amount, it was grand larceny.

835
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,000
The $11,000 sounds like also over that amount.

836
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,000
True.

837
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,000
Yeah.

838
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,280
But she was charged with grand theft for that one, meaning that she intended to steal the

839
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,280
money.

840
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,560
Let's say she, oh, okay.

841
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,560
So the one is she intended.

842
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:22,200
And then grand larceny is more like the amount, the money amount.

843
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,360
It has more to do with like the value of what was stolen.

844
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,360
So grand larceny was more about the value that was stolen, whereas grand theft is like,

845
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,160
did they intend to steal this property or whatever?

846
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,160
Okay.

847
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,160
Okay.

848
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,960
So at the time, her son, whose name is Guadalupe.

849
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:39,960
Wow.

850
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:40,960
I like his.

851
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,800
Guadalupe Reyes Jr.

852
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,480
He denied the charges and told reporters at the scene.

853
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:47,800
Because of course, it was a big story.

854
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,920
There were reporters on the scene when she was arrested in Las Vegas that she didn't,

855
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,280
quote, she didn't steal any money in connection with the trailer.

856
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,040
That was his quote to reporters.

857
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:05,280
So she was being held in, I think she was extradited at this point back to California,

858
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,320
because that's where her trial and everything took place.

859
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,560
Because it was all took place in California.

860
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,200
So they took her from Vegas to California.

861
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,480
Interesting.

862
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:19,760
So while in jail, she was held on a $500,000 bail, which is half a mil.

863
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,080
Good chunk.

864
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,840
Her husband, Placencia or Jaime or Jamie, he was also charged.

865
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,360
But according to one source, okay, so according to one source, this is something I found,

866
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,760
but I can't, I couldn't substantiate it, but it was from the New York Times.

867
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:36,760
Right.

868
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,960
Well, yeah, I mean.

869
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,040
You'd think they'd have grid fact checkers.

870
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:48,040
But this is weird because this is why I'm doubting this report claim is that he was

871
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,480
already in custody for being in arrears for child support.

872
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,480
Right.

873
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:54,480
Right.

874
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,280
He could have had another kid with somebody else.

875
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,280
Right.

876
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,160
But to, to $400,000, like.

877
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,440
That's a lot of money.

878
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,040
That is a lot of money.

879
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,480
Could be like five kids though.

880
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,480
I guess.

881
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:07,840
For like 10 years.

882
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,840
Could be.

883
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:09,840
That's true.

884
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:10,840
I mean.

885
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,440
I mean, they have children all over the place.

886
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,440
Tons of children.

887
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,440
That's true.

888
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,440
Anyway, so that's.

889
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:16,440
Jamie, Jamie.

890
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,440
Oh, Jamie.

891
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,160
So, so they get arrested.

892
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,280
They are like, no, this is not cool.

893
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,520
They found that the finger didn't, never came from Wendy's, never came from any processing

894
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:27,520
plant.

895
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:28,520
So they're suspect.

896
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,480
They think she's just trying to rip off the company.

897
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:31,480
Right.

898
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:32,480
Sounds like it.

899
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,480
But.

900
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:34,480
But.

901
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:35,480
They arrested her in April.

902
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,480
Right.

903
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,160
But they still don't know where the finger came from, which brings me to the next part

904
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,160
of the story.

905
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,520
So in early May, 2005, so she's already been arrested.

906
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,520
She's in jail.

907
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:52,080
The police announced that they had found the person to whom the finger had once been attached.

908
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,080
Okay.

909
00:35:54,080 --> 00:36:00,040
Police followed up an anonymous tip received on the hotline that was set up by Wendy's.

910
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,920
Oh man, this is interesting.

911
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:05,920
Life is more random.

912
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:06,920
I know, right?

913
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,920
Stranger than fiction, right?

914
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,760
That's the word.

915
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,680
So the restaurant chain was offering up to a hundred thousand dollars for information

916
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,920
leading to the origin of the finger.

917
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,280
That's a juicy amount of money.

918
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,280
Yeah.

919
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,520
So they got this tip.

920
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:28,280
So the tip led police to a, to Brian Paul Rossiter.

921
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:33,640
It turns out that Mr. Rossiter had lost a finger in an industrial accident at an asphalt

922
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,280
company in December of 2004.

923
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,280
Okay.

924
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:46,520
So he has, he's only been identified like in all the reports that I read as an associate

925
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,520
of Jamie placencia.

926
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,520
Yeah.

927
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,520
Okay.

928
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:52,520
Yep.

929
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,520
So it's your friend of the husband.

930
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,520
That's her husband.

931
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,520
Yeah.

932
00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:59,520
So he,

933
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,880
Oh look, I got a little pity finger of mine.

934
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,880
What should I do with it?

935
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,480
I'll take that off of you.

936
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:13,240
So he did, he sold his finger to the couple for a hundred dollars in order to settle a

937
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:14,240
debt.

938
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:18,200
And in one account, I read that the debt was only like a $50 debt.

939
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,120
So he sold it to them for a hundred.

940
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,280
So he made 50 bucks, I guess.

941
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,280
America.

942
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,280
Land of opportunity.

943
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:32,600
You lose a finger, you get a hundred bucks.

944
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:33,600
Sell it, sell it.

945
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,600
Mark it up, sell it on, mark it up, sell it on.

946
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:41,120
I thought that was worth way more than a hundred.

947
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:49,320
So DNA testing verified that it did belong to Rossiter and the anonymous tip came from

948
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,320
him.

949
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,320
Himself.

950
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,320
Yep.

951
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,320
Oh my God.

952
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,320
He's the one that called it in.

953
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,320
Right.

954
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:01,320
And now, well, that, that finger turned out to be a very good investment.

955
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,320
Right.

956
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,960
If you got a hundred thousand plus a hundred dollars.

957
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:06,960
No, a hundred.

958
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:07,960
Oh yeah.

959
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,960
For Wendy's.

960
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:09,960
Wendy's paid him.

961
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,520
I didn't see if Wendy ever paid him for the tip.

962
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:15,520
I didn't see that.

963
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,000
It never was in any of the, in the news reports.

964
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:24,280
I mean, it's dodgy that anybody else announces it, but if it's the person who lost his finger,

965
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,920
you would have thought he'd get the money because there's no way out of it.

966
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,320
It's like, Hey, the DNA was right.

967
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,320
You wouldn't have known otherwise.

968
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,320
You discover who it is.

969
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,320
You wouldn't have known.

970
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,320
There's no way you would find out.

971
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,320
And he didn't do anything against Wendy's.

972
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,320
Yeah.

973
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,320
So, yeah.

974
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:37,320
Yeah, exactly.

975
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,320
So police actually, that's the next, like police couldn't verify him if he was in on

976
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,320
the scam.

977
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,320
Right.

978
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,320
Also.

979
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,320
Right.

980
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:50,560
So they, you know, like if he planned to cash in on the settlement, they would get.

981
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:51,560
Probably not.

982
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:52,560
Let's be honest.

983
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:58,120
But maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe not after he turned himself into Wendy's.

984
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,120
Right.

985
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,120
So why give yourself up?

986
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,120
Right.

987
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,760
Because she thought it was more of a sure thing.

988
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:03,760
Yeah.

989
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:04,760
But this is after she got arrested.

990
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:05,760
Yeah.

991
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,760
By the time they were arrested, he's like, this is not going to work.

992
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:09,760
Yeah.

993
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:10,760
They're not going to get any money out of Wendy's.

994
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,640
So maybe I'll try to get this hundred grand from Wendy's.

995
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,120
So he just turned on their previous associates.

996
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,120
Yes.

997
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,120
Yes.

998
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,520
Gosh, this is, there's layers here.

999
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:31,080
So on September 9th, 2005 in San Jose, California, Ayala and Placencia, they pled guilty to

1000
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:38,400
conspiring to file a false claim and attempted grand theft with damages suffered by Wendy's

1001
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,520
in just the Bay area, exceeding $2.5 million.

1002
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:43,760
Yeah.

1003
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,240
They pled guilty.

1004
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:54,040
So at sentencing on January 18th, so this is in 2006 now, Ayala received nine years

1005
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:58,400
in state prison and Placencia got 12 years and four months.

1006
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,440
So I don't know why he got so much time.

1007
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,360
I mean, more than him being because he knew the guy that had the finger.

1008
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,360
I don't know.

1009
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,360
Yeah.

1010
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,840
I mean, the, maybe he was more involved with the trailer park.

1011
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:10,840
Yeah.

1012
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,040
Well, maybe it has to do with that.

1013
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,040
Yeah.

1014
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,040
Like an extra three years for the trailer park.

1015
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,040
Maybe.

1016
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,040
Yeah.

1017
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,040
Could be.

1018
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,040
Yeah.

1019
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:23,280
Um, and then they were also sentenced to pay Wendy's $21 million in restitution.

1020
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,000
So sure.

1021
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,240
The corporation knew they'd never see this kind of money from them.

1022
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:33,080
So they agreed to seek only $170,000.

1023
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,040
US American.

1024
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,040
Yeah.

1025
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,040
Yeah.

1026
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,040
Yeah.

1027
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:45,720
And this was just to make up for the employees lost wages.

1028
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:49,760
I mean, it's not going to, so apparently that was the number that came up with the people

1029
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:55,200
that lost hours at work cause there was less business and or lost their jobs.

1030
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,160
Must be more than that, but sure.

1031
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,280
Well, they don't pay people very well.

1032
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,280
It's minimum wage.

1033
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,280
These are minimum wage jobs.

1034
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,040
It's like an enormous third biggest chain in America.

1035
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,040
Yeah.

1036
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,040
Exactly.

1037
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,040
If that's all they're losing.

1038
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,040
If that's it.

1039
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,040
Less than $200,000.

1040
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,240
Cheap to run that business, Julie.

1041
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:14,240
Let's get into tacos.

1042
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:15,240
We gotta buy a Wendy's.

1043
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:21,520
Make this happen.

1044
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:27,880
So anyway, they, um, they further agreed not to pursue the 21 million if the couple didn't

1045
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,240
seek a book or movie deal from the notoriety of the case.

1046
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:33,240
That was in the clause.

1047
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:35,640
Like they can't ever sell the story.

1048
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,840
It's definitely a California clause.

1049
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,840
I love it.

1050
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,240
I love it.

1051
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:46,080
Okay, so, um, I, I had an additional five years tacked onto her sentence because the

1052
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,640
prosecutor argued that when she claimed she couldn't eat or sleep after the event, this

1053
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,320
had a direct impact on Wendy's sales.

1054
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,560
The judge agreed with the prosecutor and gave her the additional five years.

1055
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:05,280
However, on appeal, so she appealed this, her lawyers argued that this wasn't legal.

1056
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,440
It's a bit of an odd one.

1057
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,440
Yeah.

1058
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:08,440
It was just like kind of random.

1059
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:09,440
Like, yes, of course.

1060
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,440
Yes.

1061
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,440
But she had five more years.

1062
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,840
And so she won her appeal.

1063
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:13,840
Good.

1064
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,280
So it reduced her sentence and, and she only served a total of five years.

1065
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,280
Okay.

1066
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:24,160
So post verdict when she was sentenced and everything, she had a lot to say.

1067
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,280
She lectured folks that others should learn from her mistakes.

1068
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,040
Quote, let this be an example.

1069
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,920
Everybody out there, all those young people learn from this.

1070
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,400
However, she wasn't shy about, oh, that was an quote.

1071
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,360
However, she wasn't shy about throwing Brian Paul Rossiter under the bus.

1072
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:47,000
Of him, she claimed that he was much more involved in the plot to rip off Wendy's.

1073
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,440
She's getting revenge.

1074
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,920
Quote, he got away.

1075
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:50,920
He's a hero.

1076
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,680
I said, quote, he should be back here with us.

1077
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:59,060
Rossiter for his part was never discovered to have plotted with the couple.

1078
00:42:59,060 --> 00:43:06,600
And he told police that the couple had offered him 2,500, no, $250,000 for his silence.

1079
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:11,080
So I'm assuming they were like, shut up when we get all this money from Wendy's, we'll

1080
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,080
pay you $250,000.

1081
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,520
So he was offered that by them.

1082
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,480
Well, they up the offer from Wendy's.

1083
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:25,960
So there were at least, you know, pulling the right cards.

1084
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,800
When she was asked if she was surprised that the court had given her the maximum sentence,

1085
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,320
she said, quote, I was expecting it.

1086
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,240
Obviously I committed a crime and I should pay for it and I'm ready.

1087
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:39,440
I know I've heard a lot of people.

1088
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,960
End quote.

1089
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:47,000
She said she didn't plan to target Wendy's specifically, but this was contradicted after

1090
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:52,760
her release from prison when she granted an interview on TV.

1091
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,840
She said, I cooked it.

1092
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,840
That's what they want to hear on American TV.

1093
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:00,840
Totally.

1094
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:08,640
So she detailed how she cooked it in her Las Vegas home by following Wendy's chili recipe.

1095
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,200
Oh, wow.

1096
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,280
But it didn't reach the right temperature.

1097
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,280
Exactly.

1098
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,440
Her undoing was that she didn't realize what the temperature would be or for how long the

1099
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,480
restaurant cooked their chili.

1100
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:21,480
Yeah.

1101
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:22,480
She continued.

1102
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:23,480
Good preparation though.

1103
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,480
Yeah, she could.

1104
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,480
Yeah, I know, right?

1105
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,480
She thought it out.

1106
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:27,480
She thought she had it all worked out.

1107
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:28,480
Basco's following recipes.

1108
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,440
She thought she had it all worked out, yeah.

1109
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:36,680
She continued and admitted that after cooking the finger, she stuck it in the freezer before

1110
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,840
heading off to Mexico for a vacation.

1111
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:39,840
Oh my gosh.

1112
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:44,200
I mean, I guess it would freeze their chili.

1113
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,880
Well, you got to save it for later for that next time you're at a Wendy's.

1114
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,120
Oh man.

1115
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:56,160
So anyway, in my research, I couldn't find that if Bertha Davila ever got any money from

1116
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:01,640
this, like if she ever got her 11 grand back or more for all the trouble she had gone through,

1117
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,760
like she went and moved in and then got kicked out and then was homeless, right?

1118
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:06,760
Yeah.

1119
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:07,760
Tough life.

1120
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,120
I hope so, but I couldn't find anywhere that she got anything out of this.

1121
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,120
That's such a shame.

1122
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,520
I know, even though they were charged with this crime too.

1123
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,640
So should we take a break?

1124
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,640
Let's do this.

1125
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:25,720
Okay, we're back.

1126
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:30,400
Anna did not stay out of the news post release from prison.

1127
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,040
Yeah, she's already given one interview.

1128
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,120
So remember her son who defended her to the reporters?

1129
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,120
Guadalupe.

1130
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,120
Yes, that's right.

1131
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,520
My favorite, probably first name in the whole episode series so far.

1132
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,560
Which is like the Virgin, a Virgin Saint like in Mexico, right?

1133
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:47,560
In a number of places.

1134
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,560
I know there's one in Mexico.

1135
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,360
But I always see it more in Mexican culture.

1136
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:53,360
For sure.

1137
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,600
Oh, you have Mexican heritage.

1138
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,960
I'm sure I've seen other Guadalupe's.

1139
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,560
So this is what happened, okay?

1140
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:05,080
So in 2013, Guadalupe Reyes Jr.

1141
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,680
Oh, he's learned some tricks from mom and dad.

1142
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,560
Did I already say he shot himself in the ankle?

1143
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:11,560
What?

1144
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:12,560
No.

1145
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:13,560
Oh my gosh.

1146
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:14,560
So in 2013 he shot himself in the ankle.

1147
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:15,560
Shot himself.

1148
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:16,560
I mean, let's hope this is on purpose.

1149
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:17,560
It literally turned out to be on purpose.

1150
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:18,560
It wasn't on purpose.

1151
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:19,560
This was an accident.

1152
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:20,560
It was an accident.

1153
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,560
Did he sue the gun company?

1154
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,560
No, he did not.

1155
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:27,560
What?

1156
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:34,840
But this is a problem for him because he wasn't supposed to be in possession of a firearm

1157
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:39,960
because he was on parole from a burglary conviction.

1158
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,920
It's getting complicated.

1159
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,160
So he went to mommy, Anna.

1160
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,160
She can solve every problem.

1161
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,760
Anna the Scamma.

1162
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,880
Oh, you thought about that yourself.

1163
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:53,880
I did.

1164
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:54,880
I wrote it down.

1165
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,160
Anna the Scamma.

1166
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:01,880
And she cooked up a little story for him to get out of this one, okay?

1167
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,680
I like the double entendre there.

1168
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,280
Yeah, I know, right?

1169
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,920
No pun intended.

1170
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,700
So they concocted a story for the police of an alleged attack on him.

1171
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:16,920
So they gave a full description of the attacker that Anna provided to the police.

1172
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:22,080
They described the assailant to police as a big man with a goatee and unusually large

1173
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,080
ears.

1174
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,080
Oh my gosh.

1175
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,080
Hilarious.

1176
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,080
Goatee, large ears.

1177
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,080
Sounds like one of her.

1178
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:34,800
And he was wearing a black Oakland A's baseball cap and Air Jordan sneakers.

1179
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,280
So that was her description to police.

1180
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,200
So precise.

1181
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:39,960
She even gave them a name.

1182
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:40,960
Oh.

1183
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,920
So the name of the person, right?

1184
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:43,920
Yeah.

1185
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:50,040
So searching for this man and turning up nothing, they decided to call Reyes or Guadalupe in

1186
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,560
for questioning and he cracked like immediately.

1187
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,560
Oh my gosh.

1188
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,080
And he gave his mom up.

1189
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,280
Oh my gosh.

1190
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,400
That's a crap.

1191
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,680
You didn't learn anything from your parents.

1192
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,920
Mom was probably really disappointed in him.

1193
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,160
God damn it.

1194
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:16,280
So they were both arrested for this, for filing a false police report.

1195
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,840
Make her win that one.

1196
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:18,840
That's what she's saying.

1197
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:19,840
Yeah.

1198
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,840
So they were both arrested and they received two years in prison each.

1199
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:31,120
So Ayala could have received four years and eight months for her part because she was

1200
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,280
an accessory to a felony.

1201
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:40,600
She filed a false police report and for being a felon in possession of a firearm.

1202
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,840
So she got charged as well for being a felon in possession of a firearm.

1203
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:49,640
And that's because she helped her son get rid of the gun that he had shot himself with

1204
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,560
and they never found the gun.

1205
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:54,560
So sure.

1206
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,720
Her sentence was reduced to the two years because she pled no contest.

1207
00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:01,280
Remember we talked about that in the Irene Garza case?

1208
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,280
Refreshed.

1209
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,360
Which is just like that you have enough evidence against me.

1210
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,760
I can't fight this charges.

1211
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,280
So I'll just plead no contest.

1212
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:15,720
You're not pleading guilty, but you're just pleading like I can't compete or I can't fight

1213
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:16,720
it basically.

1214
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:18,680
I don't get lost sometimes.

1215
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:25,000
So you'll get like a lower, if you, if you kind of like concede to the crime in a way,

1216
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,000
you'll get a lower sentence.

1217
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,000
Dodgy.

1218
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,400
Well, it's the legal system.

1219
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:35,680
So yeah, so that's the last time she was in the news.

1220
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:45,240
And according to that podcast I told you about, Once Upon a Crime, she mentioned that on her

1221
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:52,480
Facebook page, NIL's current Facebook page, she has in her description, quote, crazy,

1222
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,040
crazy finger lady.

1223
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,040
That's like a descriptor.

1224
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,520
Oh my gosh.

1225
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:58,520
Only in America.

1226
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:03,600
I tried to look for it, but there's too many Anna Ayala's out there, I guess.

1227
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,520
So I gave up cause I was like, I gotta finish this story.

1228
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,200
I gotta get to the end.

1229
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:18,720
So I wanted to finish this story about an article I found on NPR.

1230
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:20,160
Connected to the story?

1231
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:26,680
It's all about a history of human fingers found in fast food.

1232
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:31,160
So a Michigan teen says he got a taste of more than just roast beef when he bit into

1233
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,000
his Arby's sandwich last week.

1234
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:39,000
So Arby's is another chain that has like, they're famous for the roast beef sandwich

1235
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,240
that they have.

1236
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:47,440
My overall lesson so far is don't eat in American fast food, but let's go, let's go.

1237
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,080
Well, I know when you've got it.

1238
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,760
At least we started raving about McDonald's.

1239
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,760
In Russia.

1240
00:50:53,760 --> 00:51:02,080
Alright, so this kid, he was a 14 year old, Brian Hart, 14.

1241
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,880
So the caption under his photo is, Ryan Hart, 14, found a severed finger in his junior roast

1242
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:07,880
beef sandwich.

1243
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:08,880
Junior roast beef sandwich.

1244
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,560
So the one for the little guys.

1245
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,160
So here's his quote, I was about to puke.

1246
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,960
It was just nasty.

1247
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:22,120
The piece appeared to be the back of a finger, including the pad and extending beyond the

1248
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,120
first knuckle.

1249
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:28,040
They don't have a lot of detail where it came from.

1250
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,880
We've philosophized about it enough.

1251
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:34,120
They just said that the franchise restaurant team stopped food production and thoroughly

1252
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:35,840
cleaned and sanitized the restaurant.

1253
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,240
Less intense than Wendy's.

1254
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:42,600
Then, again, at another Arby's.

1255
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,640
So Arby's is just rife with fingers flying around.

1256
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:54,440
So much like in Ohio, much like in Michigan, Ohio, another man bit into his Arby's sandwich

1257
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:55,440
in 2004.

1258
00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:01,240
And he found a piece of flesh about three fourths of an inch long.

1259
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:06,880
And when they spoke with the manager, they saw a bandage on his thumb.

1260
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:11,560
Turns out he had sliced his thumb skin while shredding lettuce that reportedly didn't throw

1261
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,560
away the bin of lettuce.

1262
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,120
So it was a chunk of his thumb.

1263
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,840
Then it was an easy crime to discover.

1264
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,200
Then, of course, they mentioned the Wendy's.

1265
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,200
This one.

1266
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,200
Right.

1267
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:28,760
Then the there was a finger in a custard.

1268
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:29,760
Okay.

1269
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,960
So custard is like a sweet thing.

1270
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,540
And it's much more.

1271
00:52:34,540 --> 00:52:37,780
This was found in North Carolina.

1272
00:52:37,780 --> 00:52:40,520
So Kohl's frozen custard.

1273
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:41,560
Okay.

1274
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:47,080
So Clarence Stowers found a finger in his custard at Kohl's frozen custard in Wilmington,

1275
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,700
North Carolina.

1276
00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:53,720
But not before eating all of the ice cream off the finger first.

1277
00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:56,720
Oh my gosh.

1278
00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:00,920
Oh my gosh.

1279
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:01,920
To be fair, it was frozen.

1280
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:02,920
So it's less disgusting.

1281
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:03,920
But oh.

1282
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:04,920
Is it though?

1283
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:05,920
Is it though?

1284
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:06,920
Oh my gosh.

1285
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:14,920
He reportedly thought it was candy and didn't realize it was a human appendage until later.

1286
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:15,920
No.

1287
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:24,600
So it says, turns out a worker had lost part of his finger in the custard machine at Stowers

1288
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:29,320
and was unfortunate and Stowers was unfortunate enough to find it.

1289
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:30,320
Later.

1290
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:38,200
Later Stowers kept the finger for evidence for so long that it was too late for the employee

1291
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:39,920
to get his finger reattached.

1292
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,920
So he like he held on to it.

1293
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:49,800
And then if he had turned it in, I guess immediately the guy could have maybe got it put back on.

1294
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:50,800
I mean still.

1295
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:51,800
Okay.

1296
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:52,800
That's too much.

1297
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:53,800
That's two more.

1298
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:54,800
That's two more.

1299
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:55,800
Okay.

1300
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,320
So this is the frozen dinner finger.

1301
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,600
So it seems this is this one starts with.

1302
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,800
It seems 2005 was a big year for finding severed fingers in food.

1303
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:09,880
So a California inmate, Felipe Rocha was eating dinner in March 2005.

1304
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:10,880
Rocha.

1305
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:11,880
Rocha.

1306
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:18,120
He's eating in March of 2005 when he chewed a crunchy object in his cornbread.

1307
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,400
I mentioned cornbread earlier.

1308
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:20,400
We did.

1309
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,360
Look at these circles.

1310
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,040
He discovered a fingertip.

1311
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,520
I'm gonna unless you lose a finger Julie, I will try your cornbread.

1312
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:36,400
Yes, and he filed a lawsuit and the inmate's attorney said Rocha or Rocha or Rocha is a

1313
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:42,960
vegetarian and lost 15 pounds in six days because he couldn't eat after the incident.

1314
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:43,960
And then the last one.

1315
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:44,960
This is the last one.

1316
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:45,960
Okay.

1317
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:53,880
So in 2006 in Indiana, a diner found a finger on his TGI Friday's burger after a restaurant

1318
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:59,000
employee accidentally cut it in the kitchen.

1319
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,920
The manager didn't even know what had happened until he got to the hospital.

1320
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:10,160
So he cut it and then put it in a burger and then the manager was not informed.

1321
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:11,160
Sounds like.

1322
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:12,160
So there you go.

1323
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:19,000
A brief history of finger food.

1324
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,480
So um, Dougal, do you have a mini crime time for us tonight?

1325
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:23,480
I do.

1326
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,360
I mean, crimes are crimes and it's mini.

1327
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,160
So here's an example of a mini crime time that you can send in to us.

1328
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,160
Yeah.

1329
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,600
Voice message, an email if you want to write it out.

1330
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,120
If it's somebody else's story, just tell us about it.

1331
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:38,120
Who cares?

1332
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,120
It can be your friend.

1333
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,120
Who cares?

1334
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:41,120
Please make it real.

1335
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,120
You don't have to name anybody.

1336
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:43,120
No, it's all good.

1337
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:44,120
Just any crime.

1338
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,440
And it's like what youth consider a crime.

1339
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,240
It's not necessarily like legally a crime.

1340
00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:50,240
Yeah.

1341
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:51,240
Although this one could be.

1342
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:52,240
Okay.

1343
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:53,240
Maybe.

1344
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:54,240
I don't know.

1345
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:55,600
I don't know if it could be.

1346
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:56,600
I'll tell you.

1347
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,200
I'll be the judge of that.

1348
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:04,840
So we're at the tobacco store and you know, like many European countries, there's only

1349
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,600
one place that you can buy tobacco in Spain and the best country.

1350
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:09,600
It's a tobacco shop.

1351
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:10,600
Ah, yes.

1352
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:11,600
You have to go to a tobacco shop.

1353
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,400
It has to be licensed tobacco shop.

1354
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:14,400
Yeah.

1355
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,640
So we get our snooze for all of those who know.

1356
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:18,640
What is snooze?

1357
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:19,640
The Norwegians and the Scandinavians.

1358
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,640
Yeah, like it's very Scandinavian, right?

1359
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:22,640
Yeah.

1360
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,640
So it's like a little, a little pillow.

1361
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:26,640
Like a.

1362
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:27,640
Yeah.

1363
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,200
Two centimeters by one centimeter.

1364
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,200
So let's say half an inch by.

1365
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:31,200
Like a tea bag.

1366
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:32,200
Yeah.

1367
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:33,200
A little tea bag with.

1368
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,200
Like a little tea bag with.

1369
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:35,200
The tobacco inside.

1370
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:36,200
Chewing tobacco.

1371
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,200
Yeah.

1372
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:38,200
And then.

1373
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,800
I remember my Swedish classmates when I first moved here.

1374
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:41,800
Exactly.

1375
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:42,800
They all used snooze.

1376
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:43,800
Exactly.

1377
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:49,400
So I've been, I've been seeing a Norwegian guy recently and of course he likes the snooze

1378
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,120
thing.

1379
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:58,160
And so we turn around and then the next clients who are this older couple or brother and sister

1380
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,480
or whatever they are.

1381
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:10,240
They were next in queue, but we were still just kind of looking around and getting our

1382
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:15,240
umbrellas whilst the other sale is happening.

1383
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:16,600
And it was a fast one.

1384
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:23,560
They asked for like a couple of packs of cigarettes or something and then a commotion started.

1385
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:28,840
So it was kind of periphery and I didn't catch what, what the words were said.

1386
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:34,040
But basically the lady behind, there was only one girl in the store.

1387
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:35,040
It's quite a big store.

1388
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,040
Like, you know.

1389
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,040
Like working.

1390
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:38,040
Yeah.

1391
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,040
There's only this.

1392
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:40,040
So lady working.

1393
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,040
Yeah.

1394
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,760
And she was Brazilian because I recognize the accent.

1395
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:44,760
Okay.

1396
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:49,280
And let's say she had a broken Castilian.

1397
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,120
So it sounded very Portuguese.

1398
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,160
Or just obviously not from here.

1399
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,160
Accent.

1400
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:56,160
Exactly.

1401
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,600
So Mr. Old Guy who bought the tobacco.

1402
00:57:58,600 --> 00:57:59,600
Here we go.

1403
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:04,960
Let's say not very much under his breath complained about her accent.

1404
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,000
Something like, I have to stand these fucking foreigners serving me.

1405
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,120
I don't know what the fuck they're saying or something like that.

1406
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:12,440
You know, to that extent.

1407
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:16,840
I didn't hear what you said, but she was like, excuse me.

1408
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,480
You have been doing this every time you come here.

1409
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:20,480
Please.

1410
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:21,480
Like a regular customer.

1411
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:22,480
Treat me with respect.

1412
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:23,480
Yeah.

1413
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,440
And even though he deals with her all the time.

1414
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,080
And he, he just goes, fuck you.

1415
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,920
It's not your fucking problem.

1416
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,200
You should learn how to speak Castilian.

1417
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:33,200
I know.

1418
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:37,560
And then the other lady who I don't know if it was his sister, starts protecting him.

1419
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,360
Kind of going like, leave him alone.

1420
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,040
It's not your freaking problem.

1421
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,600
Like totally like going for swear words immediately.

1422
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,080
And I, and the girl started crying.

1423
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,080
Literally.

1424
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:55,600
It was very like, and then, and then the guy I'm with starts like, what the fuck's happening?

1425
00:58:55,600 --> 00:59:01,540
And I just translate the basic situation and this old couple already left.

1426
00:59:01,540 --> 00:59:03,200
So I'm like, please wait here.

1427
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,480
I'm going to go back and say hi to the girl.

1428
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:06,480
Yeah.

1429
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:07,480
And so I went back in.

1430
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:08,760
Did you go talk to her in Portuguese?

1431
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:09,760
I did.

1432
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:10,760
I tried, but she didn't realize.

1433
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:11,760
She was so nervous.

1434
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,680
She just continued speaking in Castilian.

1435
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,080
So I switched back to Castilian.

1436
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,920
Just not to confuse her, but I'm like, don't worry, honey.

1437
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,480
This happens to me all the time.

1438
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:23,880
But this is unacceptable.

1439
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:29,800
I think whoever your boss is, you should definitely talk to him and stop serving this person.

1440
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:35,480
And she goes, yeah, cause my boss is my step mom or not step mom, sorry.

1441
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:36,480
Mother-in-law, sorry.

1442
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:37,480
Mother-in-law.

1443
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:38,480
So she goes, no, my step.

1444
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,680
So it's her husband that owns basically.

1445
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:42,680
Pretty much.

1446
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:43,960
So it's a family business.

1447
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:44,960
Yeah.

1448
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:49,480
So she goes, yeah, no, actually I have mentioned it to my...

1449
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:50,480
That's fucked up.

1450
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,720
But she goes, but you know, you could see from the way she was saying that she didn't

1451
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,320
ever say, I don't want to serve him anymore.

1452
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,480
She just told them about it.

1453
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:03,920
And I'm like, I think they're going to support you if you just don't serve them because that

1454
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,360
was not called for.

1455
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,000
And she kind of was like, yeah, no, you're right.

1456
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,000
I think.

1457
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,000
Fuck that guy.

1458
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,000
Yeah, 100% fuck that guy.

1459
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,600
Don't buy your goddamn tobacco.

1460
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:16,880
Cause it was, and especially it was one of those times where most of the tobacco shops

1461
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,160
were open, but not them.

1462
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:19,880
You know, they were the one of the few that were open.

1463
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,960
So I'm like, you're going to fuck him if you don't serve him next time.

1464
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:23,960
And you need to know.

1465
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:24,960
He'll be shit out of life.

1466
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:25,960
And she was like, no, you're right.

1467
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:26,960
Yeah.

1468
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,960
Cause like on Sundays when he's trying to get the pack of cigarettes.

1469
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:29,960
Exactly.

1470
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:30,960
Fuck that big head.

1471
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,920
Cause everything will be closed on a Sunday.

1472
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:33,920
Yeah.

1473
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,920
So, you know, and so she kind of calmed down.

1474
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:36,920
That is maddening, man.

1475
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:37,920
That is super maddening.

1476
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:38,920
It's horrible.

1477
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:39,920
Yeah.

1478
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:40,920
It's horrible.

1479
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:41,920
Fuck.

1480
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:42,920
So.

1481
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:43,920
I hate that.

1482
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:44,920
What's your verdict?

1483
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:45,920
Is it a real crime?

1484
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:46,920
It's more than many, I think.

1485
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:47,920
But it is like, it's.

1486
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:48,920
That's a hate crime.

1487
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:49,920
It's probably some kind of, I don't know.

1488
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:50,920
I think it's a hate crime.

1489
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:51,920
Yeah.

1490
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:52,920
It is.

1491
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:53,920
I mean, he wasn't like trying to, I mean, hate crime.

1492
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,920
I don't know if it would legally meet the standard of a hate crime.

1493
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:57,920
It's racist, it's xenophobia.

1494
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:58,920
It's totally, yeah.

1495
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:03,920
That's fucked up and it should be called out in society as much as possible.

1496
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:04,920
I think so.

1497
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:05,920
I think so.

1498
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:06,920
Yeah.

1499
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:07,920
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1500
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:08,920
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