1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 Bat bi hiru lau 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Watch your back, watch your back 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Ertzaintza's gonna get you 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,000 Watch your back, watch your back 5 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Ertzaintza's gonna get you 6 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Watch your back, watch your back 7 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Oh, there's a crime here 8 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,000 It's a coming from the Euskal Herria 9 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Gotta wash those red hands 10 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,000 It's the crimes of the basquelands 11 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:32,000 It's the crimes of the basquelands 12 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,000 Welcome everybody to crimes of the basque lands 13 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,000 It's a true crime show 14 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,000 With connections to anything basque 15 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,000 In the whole of history 16 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,000 In all of history 17 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,000 Because we are going a little bit back in history today 18 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,000 So we're gonna talk today about Martin de Alsaga 19 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,000 Ola varia, his surname Alsaga 20 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,000 Which is actually a place name as well 21 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Well, Alsaga today has about 150 people 22 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,000 Oh, thriving 23 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,000 So it's a tiny little place 24 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,000 Okay, where is it? 25 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:38,000 It's a 40k southish or southwestish 26 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,000 From San Sebastian, Donostia 27 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,000 Okay, so it's Cipusqua 28 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,000 It's Cipusqua, yep 29 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,000 I mean, however, he was born in Alva 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Born in 1755 31 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000 1755, okay 32 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,000 A long time ago 33 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:02,000 Born to Francisco de Alsaga and Manuela de Ola varia 34 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:07,000 And he emigrated to Buenos Aires 35 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,000 He arrived there at 11 years old 36 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,000 Only spoke Basque 37 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:18,000 He eventually became one of the richest people in Buenos Aires 38 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,000 In the whole of Argentina 39 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,000 Wow 40 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,000 Well, Argentina was not a thing back then 41 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Right, it wasn't known as 42 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,000 This is part of the story 43 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,000 Okay, it wasn't known as Argentina at the time 44 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,000 Yes, it was el bien reinado del rio de la plata 45 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:38,000 So Spain basically owned all the Americas 46 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,000 Apart from Brazil 47 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,000 One was Lima 48 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,000 Still Lima, the capital 49 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Which is now Peru 50 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,000 And then the Viceroyalty of Rio de la Plata 51 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Which is the river plate 52 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,000 Oh, I don't know 53 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,000 I think it is the river where Buenos Aires 54 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,000 Familiar with rivers down in South America 55 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,000 The Amazon I've heard of, yes 56 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,000 That's a big one 57 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,000 It's about the only one I could name in South America 58 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,000 It's great, you're doing great 59 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,000 It is, well, yeah 60 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,000 Unfortunately, I'm going to say 61 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,000 He was not a nice businessman 62 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,000 Yeah, not a lot of them are 63 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,000 If you're making all the, if you're one of the richest 64 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,000 In the 1700s 65 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,000 He's probably kind of an asshole 66 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,000 His business was slaves 67 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,000 Oh 68 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,000 And cloth and arms 69 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,000 Oh, God 70 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,000 So he's in everything 71 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,000 What a combo 72 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,000 He's in everything 73 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,000 Jesus 74 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,000 He can't be the nicest person 75 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,000 No, he cannot 76 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,000 He married in 1780 77 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:46,000 He married Maria Magdalena Carrera 78 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,000 And they together had 13 children 79 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Oh, my God, that poor woman 80 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,000 Typical number, I guess, for those times 81 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,000 I get, not really 82 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,000 They all survived or they just 83 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,000 It doesn't say, but he was rich 84 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000 So we can assume a lot of it is 85 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000 Yeah, but still, in those times 86 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,000 13 survived 87 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,000 In 1783 he travels to Spain 88 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,000 When he returns to Buenos Aires 89 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,000 He starts working in government 90 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,000 First he was protector of the poor 91 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000 That was his title 92 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,000 Mm-hmm 93 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,000 During this time, oddly enough 94 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,000 I think you will agree with me 95 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:29,000 All exports to Spain were done through Lima, Peru 96 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,000 Well, which is now Peru 97 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Or I forget the name of the port on Mexico 98 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,000 So it was through those two ports 99 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,000 All of North and South America goods 100 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Had to go through those ports 101 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,000 So from Argentina they had to cross the Andes 102 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:51,000 Oh, my God 103 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,000 So it was totally, totally inefficient 104 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,000 Totally inefficient 105 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,000 And what else? Yeah 106 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,000 Yeah, it's a mess 107 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,000 There's no other way 108 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,000 No, apart from that 109 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,000 There's no other way to do it 110 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,000 Apart from that 111 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,000 Those cities and people 112 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:12,000 Were not officially allowed to buy from anyone else but Spain 113 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,000 So they're all like their own captive markets 114 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:19,000 The name of this economic system is mercantilism 115 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,000 And it doesn't work 116 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,000 Mercantilism 117 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Basically, yeah, all the empires were 118 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,000 That was their 119 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,000 They figured out if they prohibited their colonies from 120 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,000 Kind of buying and selling with other countries 121 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,000 They would have to buy and sell from the capital 122 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,000 And that was going to give money to the capital 123 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,000 Which it did 124 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,000 But it kind of put all the colonies in very difficult situations 125 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Because there weren't enough goods 126 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,000 And they were way too expensive 127 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,000 They weren't good quality 128 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:56,000 So there was a ton of contraband the whole time 129 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,000 Of course 130 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,000 Tons of contraband 131 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,000 So he started in government 132 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,000 He was eventually elected mayor 133 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,000 Of Buenos Aires 134 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,000 Alcalde, yeah, mayor of Buenos Aires 135 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,000 During this time he was not a good guy 136 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,000 He went after the Italian and the French 137 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,000 Because they were spreading ideas about enlightenment 138 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,000 Even the French and Italian citizens of Buenos Aires? 139 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,000 Yeah, yeah 140 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Okay 141 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,000 Well, citizens 142 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,000 French descendants 143 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Italian descendants, okay 144 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,000 And they're spreading ideas about the French Revolution 145 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,000 Oh 146 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,000 That's what he said 147 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000 Well, it's true, but that's, you know 148 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000 That's their thing, you know 149 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,000 Is that right? 150 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,000 So, yeah 151 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,000 And he 152 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,000 He wanted to squash that 153 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,000 People, yeah, people were happy with 154 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,000 The establishment was happy with how he was dealing with things 155 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,000 A little bit of context in the world 156 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,000 This is 1804, okay? 157 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:05,000 So in 1804 we have the first independence of a colony in the world 158 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,000 Which was Haiti 159 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,000 So they declared independence from France 160 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:15,000 Because they were convinced by the ideas of the French Revolution 161 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,000 That everyone is equal 162 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,000 Yeah, alright, Haiti 163 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,000 So they got their medicine nice and quick 164 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,000 In a way 165 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,000 It's a very sad story because they're 166 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,000 I know 167 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,000 They're paying for their debt today 168 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,000 But, you know, US, 1776 169 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Boom, in your face 170 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,000 They're also, you know 171 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:41,000 The context is of colonies thinking about kind of their rights 172 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,000 Yeah 173 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,000 And how to go forwards 174 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,000 Napoleon comes to power 175 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Okay 176 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:55,000 In 1807, Napoleon starts the Peninsular War 177 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000 What's that? 178 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Yeah, so he supposedly wanted to invade Portugal 179 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,000 The thing was that on paper 180 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:09,000 Napoleon had signed an agreement with the king in Spain 181 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:14,000 Asking the king of Spain to let them go through Spain to attack Portugal 182 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,000 Okay 183 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,000 They started attacking Spain 184 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,000 Not Portugal 185 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,000 They're like, well, tricked ya 186 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Here we are 187 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,000 Yeah 188 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,000 So the king was taken away by Napoleon 189 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,000 The king of Spain 190 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,000 So, you know, the colonies are like 191 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,000 What do we do? What do we do? 192 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,000 You know, they kind of 193 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Are we French now? 194 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,000 Exactly 195 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,000 And then England is turning up and saying 196 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,000 Well, if France has got Spain 197 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,000 That's not fair 198 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,000 I'm going to take over Spanish territory 199 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,000 The US 200 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,000 So this is one of the first times 201 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:55,000 Well, a time where Martin de Alcaga is going to shine a little bit 202 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,000 Okay 203 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,000 So he, because he's trading in arms 204 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,000 That's right 205 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,000 And he's the richest person in town 206 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,000 He organizes to fight back against the English 207 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,000 The English actually managed to take Buenos Aires 208 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,000 Damn, so they showed up all the way 209 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,000 Yeah, a couple of ships and some soldiers 210 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,000 And they just 211 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,000 Mine 212 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Go up to the office 213 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,000 And we're in power now 214 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,000 So easy those days 215 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,000 Yep 216 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,000 They go around and confiscate everybody's weapons 217 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,000 But of course, Martin de Alcaga 218 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:36,000 He rents various houses around the main central plaza 219 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,000 In Buenos Aires 220 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:43,000 And he sets up workshops to fix and clean up guns 221 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,000 And smuggles people in and out 222 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,000 And they're cleaning and setting up 223 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,000 And he's creating an army 224 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,000 Oh 225 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,000 Well, what did he call it? 226 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,000 It was 227 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,000 Sounds more like a militia, guerrilla 228 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,000 It was a good, I looked up the name 229 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,000 I forget these military terms 230 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,000 It was about 800 people 231 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,000 Okay 232 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Finance from his own pockets 233 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,000 Oh, wow 234 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,000 There were some Viscaian fighters 235 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,000 Then there was some Catalan fighters 236 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,000 Okay 237 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,000 And there was a group of Galicians 238 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,000 Okay, so all these very independent minded 239 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,000 They are today, but they're all fighting for the crown 240 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,000 That's true 241 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,000 Well 242 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,000 Well, just against the English 243 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,000 Against the English 244 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,000 Basically 245 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,000 Yeah, and this is actually 246 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,000 It's an interesting point 247 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,000 Are they fighting for the king of Spain? 248 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,000 Or are they fighting for the colonies? 249 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,000 Right? 250 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,000 To self-determination 251 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,000 Well, we can't have another fucking crown take us over 252 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,000 So the attempts of the English to kind of clear Buenos Aires 253 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,000 With a lot of guns didn't really work 254 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,000 Because Alcaga had enough stash 255 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,000 Mm-hmm 256 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,000 And they defeat the English in like a day 257 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,000 Wow 258 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,000 So I think it was a day, it might be two 259 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,000 But you know, it was very fast 260 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,000 They just, they won 261 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,000 Wow 262 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,000 So as you can imagine, Mr. Alcaga 263 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,000 A hero 264 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,000 He's in a nice place right now 265 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,000 Mm-hmm 266 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,000 So there, he goes into government again 267 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,000 And we're going to take a break 268 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,000 And we're back 269 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,000 We're back 270 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,000 So where are we here? 271 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,000 The English have been kicked out 272 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,000 He's kind of a hero 273 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,000 So in 1808, there's a cabildo 274 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,000 So it's like this meeting who's the government 275 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,000 Is presided by Alcaga 276 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:45,000 So he's kind of the president of the cabildo 277 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,000 And he also recognizes the Junta de Sevilla 278 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,000 The Junta de Sevilla 279 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,000 Junta is at this point is basically the government of Spain 280 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,000 So he does recognize the junta 281 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,000 And he says they are, you know, the legitimate 282 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,000 Rulers 283 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,000 Rulers of the colony, yeah 284 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,000 Okay 285 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:07,000 They create a junta, the first junta of Buenos Aires now 286 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,000 And this is considered kind of like 287 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:15,000 And they what, like are supposed to be like who speaks for the crown? 288 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,000 The junta 289 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,000 The juntas 290 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,000 Well, the junta of Sevilla speaks for the king of Spain 291 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:28,000 But by making a junta in Buenos Aires is almost like creating a government in Buenos Aires 292 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,000 So they're kind of separating 293 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Oh, okay, all right 294 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,000 They still swear loyalty to the king 295 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,000 But you know, it's just a line 296 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,000 So how loyal are they, right? 297 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Yeah 298 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,000 There's no direct orders from anyone saying what they should do 299 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,000 So they just kind of go with what they want to go 300 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,000 Okay 301 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:59,000 So one of the things that the junta is doing is now fighting against royalists 302 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:04,000 Who are like, you don't have a right to make a junta, just follow Sevilla 303 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000 Follow Sevilla 304 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,000 Okay 305 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:10,000 And so basically it's where Peru and Bolivia are right now 306 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Where these royalists are 307 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,000 Mm-hmm 308 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,000 And it is a bit confusing because he did swear loyalty to the king as well 309 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,000 Yeah 310 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,000 He's not like clearly against the king 311 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,000 But they don't like the idea that there's a junta 312 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,000 Okay 313 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,000 So it's the revolution of January the 1st, 1809 314 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:39,000 Liniers, L-I-N-I-E-R-S and the Alsagas became the heroes of the day 315 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,000 But soon they had a mutual conflict 316 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:47,000 One of the problems was that Liniers was French 317 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,000 Ah 318 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:55,000 And yeah, Spain had declared war on Napoleon when it parts France 319 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,000 Mm-hmm 320 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:03,000 So on January 1st, Alsaga organized a revolution to depose Liniers 321 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:09,000 Who had been, because he was the hero of the kind of kicking out the French 322 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,000 Oh sorry, the English 323 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,000 English, uh-huh 324 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:18,000 And because he was the hero of kicking out the English, he was elected the leader of the junta or something 325 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,000 He was just the leader 326 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,000 Okay 327 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:27,000 And Alsaga did not like this, so he took his regiment 328 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:33,000 Oh, so the military leader that was French was appointed as the leader of the junta 329 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,000 Mm-hmm 330 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,000 Okay 331 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Yeah, I think he was leader of the junta 332 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,000 He was in power in any case to depose him 333 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:47,000 And he took his gallegos, his mignones de Catalunya and the biscanos, all Spaniards 334 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:54,000 And that's important because the Spaniards have interest in Spanish things and keeping things as they are, let's say 335 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,000 Yeah 336 00:14:55,000 --> 00:15:02,000 And then they kind of, they call them criollos, the criollos, that's everybody who's born in 337 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,000 In the colonies 338 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,000 In the colonies, yeah 339 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:09,000 And they would like to be able to commerce with the whole world and buy and sell freely 340 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,000 Mm-hmm 341 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,000 Amongst other things 342 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:20,000 So Alsaga organized a protest against the viceroy, so yeah, Linié became the viceroy 343 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,000 Okay 344 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:26,000 Which is the top, so it's not even, yeah, he can convene a junta, but he's above the junta 345 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:33,000 He tried to force Linié to resign and in his place he would name a junta managed by the Spaniards 346 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,000 Alsaga was sent to prison 347 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:43,000 On the 1st of July 1812 the government discovered a plot of Spaniards against the first triumvirate 348 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:49,000 Although Alsaga tried to take down Linié, Linié won 349 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,000 Sent him to prison 350 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,000 Sent to prison 351 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,000 But Alsaga eventually got pardoned 352 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,000 Mm-hmm 353 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,000 Perhaps also because he is a Spaniard, like as in he was born in Spain 354 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,000 Right 355 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:17,000 This guy Rivadavia, who is now the government, was rejected by Alsaga for one of the times he formed a junta or something 356 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,000 Oh 357 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,000 So he holds resentment 358 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:30,000 So they thought on the fifth anniversary of the defense against the British that Alsaga was going to try and overthrow the government 359 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,000 But there's no proof this ever existed 360 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,000 This is, you know 361 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,000 Oh, they accused him of plotting the overthrow 362 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:44,000 Yeah, it was just really Rivadavia, you know 363 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,000 Those are the criminal charges levied against him 364 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:54,000 Yeah, the only proof was one slave who said he heard his master plotting against 365 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,000 Oh my god 366 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,000 Right 367 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,000 Yeah, flimsy 368 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,000 Because he could have just threatened a slave 369 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,000 Yeah 370 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,000 Like say this 371 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,000 Yeah 372 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:15,000 So during this investigation, Secretary Rivadavia, based on dubious proof and confessions, extended to the accusations against Alsaga and his co-conspirators 373 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:20,000 Alsaga was arrested, tried and condemned to death along with other people 374 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,000 Mm-hmm 375 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,000 Forty people were executed 376 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,000 Well, here it says more than thirty 377 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,000 Another place I read forty, but 378 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:34,000 And he was executed on the 6th of July 1812 in Buenos Aires 379 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:39,000 The bodies were then hanged and left in Plaza de la Victoria for three days 380 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,000 So gross back then 381 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,000 I mean 1812 382 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,000 Like look what can happen to you 383 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:52,000 And well, yeah, basically that's the end of his life 384 00:17:52,000 --> 00:18:00,000 And I still, you know, I'm still conflicted like he's clearly a terrible person but he also, you know 385 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:04,000 I mean when you get involved with these kind of things 386 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,000 It's kind of the bargain you make with it, right? 387 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:12,000 Like if you're gonna get involved in all of this mess 388 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:17,000 Somebody might betray you or, you know 389 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,000 If you're 390 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,000 Yeah, politics, right? 391 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,000 Right 392 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,000 And in these days, I mean 393 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,000 Anybody can fall at any time 394 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,000 Yeah, I mean, yeah 395 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,000 He wasn't a very good guy 396 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,000 I mean there's when he was in government 397 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,000 There was instances of him just like, you know, basically 398 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,000 Beating people up 399 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,000 Like not him personally just telling people this, you know 400 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,000 The police to beat people up 401 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,000 To get them to behave better and stuff like that 402 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,000 He didn't have great 403 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,000 He's not a moral guy 404 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,000 Yeah 405 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,000 One of the interesting things is you kind of think 406 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,000 Well, maybe 407 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,000 Maybe we can learn after death what he thought, right? 408 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,000 Like maybe through his family 409 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,000 Yeah 410 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,000 What happened to his 13 children? 411 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,000 So this was, it's a tiny little after note 412 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:08,000 But what is interesting is that Felix de Alsaga 413 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:15,000 Became a military person 414 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,000 That's his son 415 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:21,000 Yeah, and very much pro-independence for Argentina 416 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,000 Okay 417 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,000 And self-government Argentina 418 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,000 However, Cecilio, a great defender of the crown 419 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,000 To the last day 420 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,000 That's his other child 421 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,000 Another child, yeah 422 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,000 But I think it's such an interesting story of a person 423 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,000 Who didn't even speak Castilian when he got there 424 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,000 That's true 425 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,000 Right 426 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,000 He only showed up speaking Basque 427 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,000 Became the richest man in Argentina 428 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,000 Boom 429 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,000 I mean it wasn't Argentina, but 430 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,000 Right 431 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,000 Definitely 432 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,000 When did Argentina become Argentina? 433 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,000 Do you know? 434 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,000 Yes, I wrote it down 435 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,000 They declared independence in 1816 436 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,000 On the 9th of July 437 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,000 Oh, not too long after 438 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,000 He died 439 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,000 Yeah, he died in 1812, sorry 440 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,000 So do you think he would have been, oh, 1916 441 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,000 18, no 442 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000 Sorry, sorry 443 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,000 1816 444 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,000 So four years after he died 445 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,000 Yep 446 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,000 Yeah 447 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,000 And that's what he, yeah 448 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,000 So you don't know if he really would have wanted that 449 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,000 Or if he would have wanted to stay as a colony 450 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,000 Exactly 451 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,000 On the crown 452 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,000 It was very ambiguous 453 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,000 Yeah 454 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,000 It was very ambiguous 455 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,000 It was like, yeah, we swear a lot to the king 456 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,000 But at the same time 457 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,000 There's no way to know 458 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,000 Yeah, they were very independent minded 459 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:28,000 I mean, I hope it's been an interesting kind of look at a Basque 460 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,000 Yeah 461 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,000 In the world 462 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,000 You were going to tell me the etymology of his surname 463 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,000 True, I kind of like it 464 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:38,000 Because Alcaga in Basque is the name of the town today 465 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,000 It was a Tz 466 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,000 Not just a Z 467 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:46,000 Tz is Tz, saga, that makes that sound 468 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,000 Saga, alcaga 469 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:57,000 And alca is, let me, I wrote it here, it's an older, it's a kind of tree 470 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,000 So 471 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,000 Older 472 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,000 Older, older with an al 473 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,000 Older, older, okay 474 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:08,000 So, based, aga, every aga means place of 475 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,000 Okay 476 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,000 So, alcaga 477 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,000 Place of sand 478 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,000 No 479 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,000 No, what was it? 480 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:19,000 Arby as in stones, stones, place of stones 481 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,000 Okay 482 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,000 Stony place 483 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,000 A lot of work to do 484 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:28,000 So, yeah, alcaga, the place of olders, which is in a birch family 485 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,000 Which is a bit more of a known plant, I think 486 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,000 Yeah, I've never heard of an older tree, but 487 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,000 The birch with the whites 488 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,000 Birch, yeah 489 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:42,000 A lot of the olders also have kind of white bark, not all of them though 490 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,000 Depending on the age, maybe younger ones have white and then it becomes 491 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,000 There's no way to know, I'm just kidding 492 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,000 Yeah, I know what it is 493 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,000 I mean 494 00:21:52,000 --> 00:22:02,000 Well, you can tell, you know, he was the richest man in Argentina 495 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,000 Yeah 496 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:09,000 So, there's actually a lot of descendants that did different things 497 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,000 Mmm 498 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,000 Like, you know, racer or 499 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,000 Do you have any info on that? 500 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:21,000 Just one, the one that I took out, and I can't remember his first name, but 501 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,000 He was known as the richest man in the US 502 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,000 What? 503 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,000 Yeah, he lived in California 504 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,000 These guys 505 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,000 Classic playboy 506 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,000 These guys 507 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,000 Classic playboy 508 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,000 Ruining lives everywhere 509 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,000 Could be a fun future story 510 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,000 Yeah, yeah, for sure, you should 511 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,000 So I'm gonna call out 512 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,000 A playboy, eh? 513 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,000 Yeah 514 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,000 In California 515 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,000 Yeah 516 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,000 Oh my god 517 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,000 Classic, in the 40s 518 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,000 Ooh, nice, good period too 519 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,000 There should be some interesting stories there 520 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:54,000 Did you enjoy the beginning of the birth of Argentina? 521 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,000 I did, I had no idea, I had no idea 522 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,000 It was a basco 523 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,000 I didn't even know there was a basco involved 524 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,000 Yeah, well, I mean, you know, he was important 525 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,000 I mean, this podcast, folks, is gonna be shedding some serious light on 526 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:13,000 How the Basques are really truly taking over the world 527 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,000 Yeah 528 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,000 And have been for a long time 529 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,000 They've been central, they've been central to a lot of things 530 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,000 So I have a mini crime time 531 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,000 You do? 532 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,000 For this week 533 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,000 Nice, you tell 534 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:30,000 Well, one of which we found last night, remember, Douglas and I were out 535 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,000 We mentioned at the beginning of the episode 536 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,000 We went out last night 537 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,000 And we were in 538 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,000 Don't remember any crimes right now 539 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:42,000 One of our favorite bars, Nervion 540 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,000 And we had put stickers in the bathrooms 541 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,000 That's the mini crime 542 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,000 Because there's lots of stickers all over the, you know, we weren't vandalizing anything 543 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,000 No 544 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,000 And we put our podcast stickers on the doors of the bathrooms 545 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,000 With other stickers 546 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,000 With all this, yeah 547 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:03,000 And I go into the women's bathroom and it was peeled off 548 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,000 Like they had peeled off the part that said Basque lands 549 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,000 Oh 550 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,000 So I think because it was in English 551 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,000 All it said was crime and then at the bottom podcast 552 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,000 Okay 553 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,000 So you didn't know what the name of the podcast was 554 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,000 And it was like somebody tried to scrape it off 555 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,000 Interesting 556 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,000 So I just stuck a new one over the old one 557 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,000 And then in the men's bathroom they took it off completely, right? 558 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,000 Yeah 559 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,000 I was like 560 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,000 So I'm curious like if it's because it's in English 561 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,000 But I kind of, I'm like 562 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,000 And it's kind of like, you know, very Basque bar 563 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,000 Yeah 564 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,000 And things that are, there's all the other stickers are like pretty political 565 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,000 Feminists 566 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,000 Yeah 567 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,000 So 568 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,000 But I was like 569 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,000 I wonder if that's why 570 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,000 I almost was like proud, I was like 571 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,000 Oh, I think they might have wanted it 572 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,000 Maybe they liked it 573 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,000 Maybe they thought it was cute 574 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,000 Maybe 575 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,000 Maybe 576 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,000 Maybe they put it on their like folder 577 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,000 And they're going around uni with crimes and mass mans in their folder the whole day 578 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,000 Well, if anybody wants us to send you some stickers 579 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,000 We can do that 580 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000 Absolutely, absolutely 581 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000 Then you can put them all over wherever you want 582 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,000 Cute 583 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,000 Well, that was 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and learning 619 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,000 Yeah 620 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,000 Alright, Dougal 621 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,000 Well, I guess now it's time to bid you 622 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:42,000 A gooooore 623 00:26:44,000 --> 00:27:03,000 A gooooore