1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 Bat bi hiru lau 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Watch your back, watch your back 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Ertzaintza's gonna get you 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,000 Watch your back, watch your back 5 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Ertzaintza's gonna get you 6 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Watch your back, watch your back 7 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Oh, there's a crime here 8 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,000 It's a coming from the Euskal Herria 9 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Gotta wash those red hands 10 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,000 It's the crimes of the Basquelands 11 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:32,000 It's the crimes of the Basquelands 12 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Mm-hmm 13 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,000 So what are we drinking today, Douglas? 14 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,000 Well, I'm on a simple beer that does not merit mention 15 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,000 I mean, let's say hi to Galicia from it 16 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,000 And everybody who knows, knows 17 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:19,000 And then you guys are drinking Rose 18 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,000 By Faustino 19 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Which is a very well-known brand here 20 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Yeah And it's actually from Navarre 21 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:32,000 Mm-hmm It's called Faustino Rivero Ullecia 22 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,000 And it's from Correia in Navarre, in the south of Navarre 23 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,000 Just north of Tudela is where this is from 24 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,000 Nice Wow, I'm drinking it. It is nice 25 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Is it nice? I didn't actually try it, but I believe you 26 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,000 Let's go for it 27 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,000 So this is from Hold on to your chapella 28 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Yes, hold on to your chapella 29 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,000 This is from El Paso, Texas 30 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 Oh, the U.S. of the U.S. 31 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,000 Yeah 32 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,000 So I'll read the headline to you 33 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,000 Driver killed in Donifin Road rage shooting 34 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,000 Father, sons arrested on murder charges 35 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,000 Ooh 36 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,000 So Raul Alberto Orozco 37 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,000 So we've had a few Orozcos 38 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,000 Orozcos, yeah It's quite a common name 39 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,000 It's a common name and it's connected to a town called Orozco 40 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:30,000 So Raul Alberto Orozco, 53, and his sons Jose Alberto Orozco, 28, 41 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:36,000 and Christian Bailey Orozco, 21, are accused in a roadway confrontation 42 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:41,000 that resulted in the death of 32-year-old Marcos Fino Jr. 43 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,000 It's like a triple bass crime 44 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,000 Yeah 45 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,000 So this shooting occurred before 46 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,000 Yeah, this, it's Texas, Douglas 47 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:59,000 So the shooting occurred shortly before 6 p.m. on Donifin Road, or Drive, sorry, 48 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,000 near Montoya Road in the Upper Valley, so I don't know 49 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,000 Anyone that's familiar with El Paso would know where that is 50 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,000 We do not, right? 51 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,000 We don't, no 52 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,000 So Raul, the father of Orozco, was driving a truck 53 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:18,000 and Fino was driving a car when they got into a road rage altercation on Donifin Drive 54 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:24,000 Raul began chasing Fino, who had three other people with him in his car 55 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,000 and during the chase, Orozco called his sons for help 56 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,000 Oh my gosh 57 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,000 Yeah 58 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:36,000 So near Montoya Road, the two sons maneuvered their vehicle in front of Fino's car, blocking him in 59 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,000 while their father blocked the car from behind with his truck 60 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,000 Oh my gosh 61 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,000 Yeah 62 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,000 It turned so quickly 63 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:49,000 An argument erupted in the street, then turned into a fight between the Orozco brothers and Fino 64 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,000 and a man who was a passenger in Fino's car 65 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:59,000 The police said during the fight, Jose Orozco, which is one of the sons, shot, allegedly shot Fino 66 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,000 Mmm 67 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:05,000 Yeah, so the Orozcos left the scene and called police from Montoya Road 68 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,000 So they were the ones that called the police 69 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,000 Oh man 70 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:16,000 A passenger in the car was rushing to take Fino for medical help when he flagged down a police car on Donifin Drive 71 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,000 but Fino died in the shooting 72 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,000 Man 73 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,000 Yep 74 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:31,000 So Jose was jailed under a one million bond, while his father and brother were each jailed on a $500,000 bond in the county jail 75 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,000 That story is quite odd, right? 76 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:41,000 Because of the idea that the dad was driving, got pissed, and then took the time to call his sons 77 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Yeah, not the police, his sons 78 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:49,000 And be like, whatever you're doing, drop it, I need you to block this guy in 79 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,000 I can give you a spot for you to get in front of him 80 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,000 Yeah, it's so like 81 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,000 It just screams America, you know? 82 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,000 It's like, the police are shit 83 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,000 The police probably treat them like shit and they're not going to get any help 84 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,000 So, may as well take the matter into your own hands 85 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,000 They have guns, clearly they've thought about that before, that's why they have guns 86 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,000 Because if, you know 87 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,000 But a lot of people just have guns 88 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,000 Sure, especially in Texas 89 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:26,000 But you know, that's the thing, especially in Texas, it used to be 100%, not 100%, but it used to be overwhelmingly Republican 90 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:35,000 And that's the kind of person who doesn't believe in the state, who doesn't believe in the function of security being paid for by anybody else 91 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,000 It's your responsibility 92 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,000 And that's such an American thing 93 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,000 And very Texas, too 94 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,000 From our European point of view, of course 95 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,000 There's grades of 96 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:55,000 So, I just think it's one of those many signs of just a very big division 97 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:01,000 My heart goes out to everybody, slighted by the bad police system 98 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,000 Which leads us to your story, right? 99 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:12,000 It does, so we're going to mention some stories, a couple of stories about fiestas 100 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,000 Which are the fiestas for Bilbao 101 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,000 In Basque we would call them hayak, that's the name for fiestas 102 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,000 So, Bilboko Hayak 103 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:29,000 And there were 17 people arrested on the last Friday 104 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,000 Well, there's only one Friday, isn't there? 105 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,000 Oh yeah, that's true, there's only one Friday 106 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:41,000 Because it's, Aseneguizia means the big week, and it's from, is it Saturday to Sunday? 107 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,000 Sunday 108 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,000 Exactly 109 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000 But Sunday the following week 110 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Yeah, so like, that's why it's a big week 111 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,000 Yeah 112 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,000 It's like eight or nine days 113 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,000 And so 17 people were arrested on the Friday 114 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:04,000 Two for assault, nine for robbery and theft, and two for drug trafficking were the numbers 115 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:09,000 And actually that was up 50% from last year 116 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,000 Wow 117 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 According to the mayor 118 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:17,000 But then the mayor quickly added, not because there's more crime 119 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:24,000 But because we put more police, because it's what the people needs 120 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:29,000 I disagree with the mayor's assessments 121 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,000 So I heard there was just like so many undercover cops 122 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,000 Yeah, 900 apparently 123 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,000 900 in the Chosunas? 124 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,000 Like Friday night 125 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:45,000 Okay, so there are 900 on duty, just some were probably undercover and others were probably in uniform 126 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,000 A ton were undercover 127 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Yeah 128 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:54,000 A ton were, I was like, people knew this, they were telling me, they were like, careful everybody's probably police 129 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,000 Who was it that was telling me that? 130 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,000 Not that I was doing anything too bad 131 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,000 They were really obvious too, like if you really stopped to look 132 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,000 Someone was saying this, I can't remember who it was 133 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:09,000 If you really stopped to look you could tell who the undercover cops were because they were like really over the top 134 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,000 Like wearing like a chapella 135 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Oh my gosh 136 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:19,000 They were like super dressed, like as if they were trying to fit in or something, I don't know, I can't remember who was telling me that 137 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000 It's probably how we dressed 10 years ago 138 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,000 So you like stopped to look at them, yeah 139 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,000 You could tell who was undercover 140 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,000 That's a great one 141 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,000 I just wanted to add a couple more stories about fiestas 142 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,000 Okay 143 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:45,000 One of them was that there is the Bilboko comparsa that denounced the use, the commercial use of marijaya 144 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,000 So it's just like a big puppet 145 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,000 Mask 146 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,000 Yeah, so she's like a symbol of the fiestas, right? 147 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,000 Yeah, for sure 148 00:08:52,000 --> 00:09:00,000 They say, quote, that marijaya belongs to everyone and no one and means party, joy, and popular fun 149 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,000 Marijaya does not want to sell us anything or make deals with merchants 150 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,000 Yeah 151 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:16,000 This is happening when the image rights of marijaya were bought by the city council for 440,000 euros 152 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,000 Who had them before? 153 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,000 Whoever made her, whoever designed her 154 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,000 Okay 155 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,000 And he sold them so that guy made a killing 156 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:36,000 They sold it to the city council for 440,000 euros, they signed a contract for the transfer of property rights, intellectual property, reproduction, distribution, and communication of marijaya 157 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,000 That doesn't sound good 158 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,000 Yeah 159 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:47,000 They held a performance where dozens of people removed labels and trademark stickers that marijaya had attached to her clothes 160 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,000 So that was their little protest they put on 161 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:59,000 Basque language was pushed out of Spanish society for a long, long time 162 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:10,000 And so that kind of control of government, of symbols, of people, and a culture is a very touchy issue 163 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:17,000 I think it's the idea that the fiestas will be commercialized and then they'll lose all of their spirit 164 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:24,000 But that's the thing, she always loses her spirit on a Coca-Cola can 165 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Right, like if that's what they end up doing with it, then yeah, you're like, now it's all just gone corporate 166 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:35,000 It's like all those music festivals that go corporate, and it's just all about corporations 167 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,000 Co-opting popular things that 168 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:47,000 Because remember in our episode we were just talking about how the whole point of it was to make it about the people 169 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:54,000 And allow the people to create the fiestas, not be in the hands of Corte Ingles or even Town Hall 170 00:10:54,000 --> 00:11:01,000 To make it more like a popular thing where everybody's involved, and it's for everybody 171 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,000 Alright, I've got one more fiesta story 172 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,000 This one is in France 173 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,000 You mean Northern Basque Country? 174 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:14,000 Yes, French Basque Country or Northern Basque Country 175 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,000 Yes, the part of the Basque Country controlled by France 176 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,000 Yes, so this is their fiestas in Bayona 177 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:27,000 A 46 year old man died 178 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,000 Oh my gosh 179 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:34,000 Yes, very terrible, so he was attacked in Bayona on Wednesday night, July 26th 180 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,000 He was a 46 year old man 181 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,000 He died after being in a coma for nine days 182 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,000 Oh my gosh 183 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:50,000 What happened was the victim reproached three men for urinating in front of his house, like in the door to his house 184 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:59,000 And they just attacked him and beat him, and one of them punched him so hard that he suffered from a cerebral hemorrhage 185 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,000 So he was hospitalized and then went into a coma and then died nine days later 186 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,000 So, some bad news about fiestas 187 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,000 Very sad 188 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:16,000 But like pure Basque Country form, there was lots of protests following this 189 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,000 Like in favor of the guy 190 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,000 Like just like this is bullshit, this should happen 191 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:29,000 Very sad, I mean, French police don't have a good rep right now either, have they ever? 192 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:46,000 Okay, so another story, so 23rd of August, or before that, I'm not sure when this first happened 193 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:52,000 But the big story that we need to follow, Douglas, because this could be a future episode 194 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:58,000 Is they found a body in a suitcase on our tenda 195 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:03,000 And you know, people mention this, because people by now know we do this podcast 196 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,000 Yeah, Douglas, Douglas, horrible news 197 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,000 You got into the dismembered body in the suitcase 198 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,000 Julie will deal with that 199 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,000 Yeah, I'll take on those gory ones 200 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:20,000 This urtanda is like, so Bilbao is in a valley, but there are two mountains that are on each side of the valley 201 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,000 One of them is urtanda, okay 202 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:30,000 So yeah, we're on the river and it flows north towards the Biscayenne Bay 203 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:36,000 And on the right hand side we have that river, that mountain, urtanda 204 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:42,000 So they found a body in a suitcase, and they're trying to identify the victim, right? 205 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,000 Still 206 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:50,000 Yeah, so the scientific unit of the urtanda continues working on the investigation of the burned human remains 207 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,000 So it's burned as well 208 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,000 Found in a building on Mount Urtanda in Bilbao 209 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:01,000 Whoever is in charge of the security advisor, would you like to guess his first name? 210 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,000 Jose 211 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,000 Close, Josue 212 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,000 Josue, oh 213 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:11,000 I don't even know if Josue is Jose in Basque, but hey 214 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,000 I thought Joseba was 215 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,000 Or is that Joseph? 216 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,000 Joseba might be Joseph 217 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:23,000 Anyway, so Josue Ercorreca 218 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,000 Very very traditional Basque surname 219 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,000 He's the security advisor, I don't know what that means 220 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:34,000 But he acknowledged this morning that this is a, quote, particularly complex investigation 221 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Although it is progressing with the little material available 222 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,000 Okay, something's going forwards 223 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,000 So on Saturday, August 19th, that's when the body was found 224 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:50,000 Emergency services found several human remains with signs of violence in an abandoned building in Urtanda 225 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:55,000 Where the Miramar restaurant was located some time ago 226 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,000 The remains were found inside a suitcase that had been burned 227 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:07,000 Ercorreca explained that work is being done to identify the victim through the physical and anatomical elements 228 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,000 That are preserved and present in the suitcase 229 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:23,000 Specifically, he has detailed that they found several fingers and that, suitably rehydrated, they could serve as a basis to identify the fingerprints and find the identity of the victim 230 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,000 That's what they gotta do 231 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,000 Sounds like 1950s investigation, how about DNA, you know? 232 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,000 I mean, I know nobody has DNA tests here 233 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,000 Well, you have to have something to compare it to 234 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,000 That's what I'm saying, nobody takes DNA tests here 235 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,000 Right, so like, unless 236 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,000 It's not on record, it's out there, everybody can find me 237 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:56,000 Well, the, you know, like fingerprints would imply that perhaps this was like, you know, criminals, this person that's the victim, was also involved in some sort of criminal ring and perhaps has a prior record 238 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,000 No, but even if it's 239 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,000 Where fingerprints were taken 240 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,000 Even if it's your ID cards 241 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,000 Because I don't think they take your DNA, they don't take your DNA, they take your fingerprints though 242 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah 243 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,000 So that would be the easiest way 244 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,000 For your ID, for your ID 245 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,000 Right 246 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,000 Your ID, yeah, that's right, your ID 247 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,000 They do take a fingerprint, yeah 248 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,000 So that's probably what they're going for 249 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,000 Yeah 250 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,000 It doesn't need to be a criminal 251 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,000 Okay 252 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,000 For like fingerprints 253 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,000 That's true 254 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,000 At least you're big 255 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:25,000 So they said in relation to the, um, the people who committed the crime, there's no information, they have no idea 256 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:32,000 So it's difficult to speculate about their motivations when neither the identity of the victim nor that of the alleged perpetrator is known 257 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,000 But it sounds like it was a violent death 258 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,000 I mean 259 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,000 So the restaurant closed in 2019 260 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,000 It's so lame 261 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,000 Yeah, and it was completely abandoned since then 262 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,000 So it is common though for people to be wandering around the building 263 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,000 So like, you know, probably teenagers 264 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,000 I wonder who found it, a teenager probably 265 00:16:53,000 --> 00:17:01,000 So the thing is, I, when I heard, when people were telling me about it, it wasn't clear where it was 266 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:10,000 And the thing is, up on that mountain, the top of the mountain, up until the Civil War, it was like, there was an enormous casino there 267 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:20,000 And there was like, what do you call it, like a skate, skating rink, like ice skating rink for winter 268 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,000 And there was a golf course 269 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:32,000 And eventually after the war, they built like, what do you call it, like an attraction fair for like children and all those things 270 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,000 Like little attractions park, yeah 271 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:39,000 Yeah, like, it just never really took off, those things 272 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,000 So there's lots of, yeah 273 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,000 Like, yeah, like abandoned things 274 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:48,000 So I thought it was there when people talked about the suitcase 275 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,000 And then now it was just like a restaurant close to that, right? 276 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:58,000 Yeah, no, no, no, further, it's like right above, it's actually quite near the funicular 277 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,000 Oh wow 278 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,000 It's not far off from there 279 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,000 Right, because there's still the funicular that used to go up 280 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:10,000 And then you start heading down towards the north, right, like towards the sea, that direction 281 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,000 There are a couple of restaurants, I've seen the restaurants 282 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,000 Oh really, so where's the north? That's a more busy area, I would have expected it to be 283 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,000 Towards the south, where it's more abandoned 284 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,000 No, the south is where that abandoned attraction park is, yeah 285 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,000 Crazy 286 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:30,000 Yeah, so we'll have to see if anything ever comes of that, see if it can be a future episode 287 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,000 Yeah, we'll have a revisit at some point, I hope 288 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,000 Stay tuned, yeah, maybe they'll just never figure anything out 289 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,000 Yeah, but wow 290 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,000 And then what do you do, it just becomes cold and 291 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:46,000 I mean, at least at some point a cousin's gonna do a DNA test and we're gonna identify him 292 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,000 Yeah 293 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,000 I can tell you that 294 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,000 That's possible 295 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,000 We can't escape that in 2023 296 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,000 You know you have to give permission for that, did you give permission for that? 297 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,000 It's all given 298 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,000 I didn't give permission for that 299 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,000 My DNA is all over the American system 300 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,000 I'm sure they got 301 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,000 Don't do anything 302 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,000 No, but all my cousins, all my cousins are fucked, so 303 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,000 Hahaha 304 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,000 Plus I've got my family tree out there, so 305 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,000 Oh, you're fucked Douglas, just be a good boy 306 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,000 I'm not fucked 307 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,000 No, no, just be a good boy 308 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,000 The day I do something wrong in fact 309 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,000 Yeah 310 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,000 Let's do one more story 311 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,000 So this is in Navarre 312 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,000 Navarre 313 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:38,000 So this is a woman in Navarre is being investigated for appropriating 150,000 euros from her deceased father-in-law 314 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,000 Ooh 315 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:46,000 So the woman investigated used the power of attorney without 316 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,000 No, she used her, I guess she had power of attorney 317 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,000 Yeah 318 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,000 And then she went to clean out 319 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,000 His accounts 320 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,000 His father-in-law's accounts, it wasn't even her father, it was her father-in-law 321 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,000 Yeah 322 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:05,000 So she's a 42 year old woman living in Merindar de Olete 323 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:14,000 So the investigating agents carried out an analysis of the accounts, movements, and power of attorney, the ATM withdrawals, and cash movements 324 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,000 Mm-hmm 325 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:26,000 Okay, so since the power of attorney was granted to her, the victim's account went from having nearly 150,000 euros to 440 in 45 days 326 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,000 Wow, she worked hard 327 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,000 You got to work 328 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,000 I didn't even know you could do that per day 329 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,000 That's intense 330 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,000 So 331 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:38,000 I think my bank would be calling me if I tried to take more than 2,000 years out of my account 332 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,000 They would be calling, but he's dead, so nobody would answer 333 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,000 I mean, they might call her 334 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,000 Or they'd be calling her, exactly, they'd be calling her and she'd be like, no, no, no, everything's fine 335 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,000 Yeah, still though 336 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,000 Everything's fine 337 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,000 Oh my gosh, I'm so scared of paperwork 338 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:54,000 I'm trying to, somebody turned her in, I can't find the part of her who was turned in 339 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,000 Husbands 340 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,000 I think it was the actual son 341 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,000 Yeah, oh my gosh, wow 342 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:09,000 Oh yes, a complaint was received from an heir to investigate an alleged donation his deceased father had given to his sister-in-law 343 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,000 Yeah 344 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,000 It sounds like she was married to one of this man's children 345 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,000 Yeah, yeah 346 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,000 Right? 347 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:25,000 Yeah, because normally it's only like your parents or your children who are direct, what do you call them? 348 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,000 Heirs 349 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,000 Heirs, that's the one 350 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,000 Yeah 351 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,000 At least in the Basque Country 352 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,000 Yeah, here, that's how it works 353 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,000 So yeah, that's the one 354 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,000 An heir, an heir 355 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,000 An heir was like, where's my money? This bitch took it all 356 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:44,000 I mean, good for that heir, I hope that heir gets something but heir 357 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,000 Yeah, do you want to hear one more? 358 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,000 Let's go for it, we're good, we're good 359 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,000 Okay, this is the story that Megan turned me on to 360 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,000 Ooh 361 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,000 Our producer here, Megan 362 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,000 Hey Megan, hey 363 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,000 Okay, so this girl named 364 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,000 Our discreet producer you meant 365 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,000 Yes, she makes me stay quiet 366 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,000 This is in Arizona, so it's another one more for abroad, okay? 367 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,000 Arizona, the good stone 368 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,000 Alicia Navarro, that's her name 369 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,000 Nice and easy 370 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:21,000 She is 18 and reappeared this week after being missing for four years 371 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,000 Oh, so she turned up again 372 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,000 She turned up 373 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,000 That's nice 374 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:35,000 So a Montana man has discovered he was neighbors with Alicia Navarro, the missing Arizona teenager who was down to live in Montana four years after she vanished 375 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,000 Oh 376 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,000 Montana's a place to go if you want to escape, right? 377 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,000 You want to hide, right? 378 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,000 I mean, that's what it used to be 379 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:51,000 Garrett Smith, this is their witness, 22, estimated that he saw Navarro around 30 times in the apartment building he shared with his girlfriend 380 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,000 I'll give her name too, Megan Alexander, like our producer here 381 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,000 She's 23 382 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:05,000 In the city of Havre, I'm not sure if that's how you pronounce it, Havre, H-A-V-R-E, Havre, I don't know how they pronounce it 383 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,000 I mean, in French 384 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,000 How would they pronounce it in Montana, yeah? 385 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,000 In French it would be Avre 386 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,000 But in Montana? 387 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,000 Haver 388 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,000 Haver, yeah, maybe, Haver 389 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:26,000 Okay, so the day before, Navarro showed up at a police station close to the Canadian border earlier this week and identified herself as the missing teen who vanished in 2019 390 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:33,000 Smith, this man, the witness, had heard her yelling at the man that she was living with 391 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:38,000 So I was, his is a quote, I was here the other day and I heard them yelling 392 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,000 She did say, I will go back, but that's all I heard 393 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,000 That makes sense, very little information, but okay 394 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:51,000 The next day Navarro walked into the Haver police department 395 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,000 Oh, I got it, I got it, it is Haver, Haver, Haver 396 00:23:54,000 --> 00:24:00,000 Haver, okay, Haver, excuse us, Montanans, we don't mean any disrespect 397 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,000 Hoppin' Haver 398 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:08,000 Haver police department and asked to be taken off a list of missing people in order to obtain her driver's license 399 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,000 And her desire, stating a desire to live a normal life 400 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,000 Oh my gosh, this is so weird 401 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,000 Right? 402 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:23,000 Oh hi, I know I'm like registered as a missing person, but can I just go drive? 403 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:29,000 Well she finally turned 18 and that's when she went to say, she got her name off that list 404 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,000 I mean, she 405 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,000 She went missing as a 14 year old 406 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,000 Oh, this is a gray area 407 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:39,000 Smith said, this is still the neighbor talking, all their information is from this neighbor 408 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:45,000 Smith said Navarro and a man in his 20s were living in the apartment building for about a year 409 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:50,000 I would see both of them walking out, he said, quite often, I think I saw them holding hands once when they were leaving 410 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:58,000 But he'd only spoken to her just days before she went to the cops, saying she was looking for her uncle by a post office 411 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,000 So she was 412 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:08,000 She was asking for directions, she looked scared, Smith said, noting that despite being barely younger than him, Navarro referred to him as Mr. 413 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,000 So she's 18, he's 22, this guy is like the witness 414 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:18,000 She said she was walking with her uncle and got lost, and she's looking for 6th Street 415 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,000 I later found out that she was referring to him as her uncle 416 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,000 They were holding hands 417 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,000 The 20 year olds, 20 something year olds? 418 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:31,000 The 22 year old witness said that when he saw this man that she was living with, who looked in his 20s 419 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,000 She called him uncle 420 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,000 He'd see, and she referred to him as uncle 421 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,000 I mean, if, yeah, that's weird, eh? 422 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,000 Let's say he's 423 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,000 Totally weird, this is totally weird 424 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:45,000 Let's say he's 26, so when she was 14, that would make, so he would be 22 425 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:50,000 Smith said that Navarro's voice was scratchy and that she often appeared in bad shape 426 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:56,000 Her braces looked pretty bad, she had braces on when she went missing in Arizona in 2019 427 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,000 Oh my gosh, it never 428 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000 It looked like she still had the same braces on 429 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,000 Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, oh my gosh 430 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,000 So police and 431 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,000 That's the most objectionable thing I've heard so far 432 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000 Yeah 433 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,000 That is so sad 434 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,000 Yeah 435 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,000 That's clearly abuse 436 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,000 She went to the police, the police said that she appeared to be fine and in good health 437 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:28,000 A day after Smith heard her yelling at the man she was referring to as uncle, she went to the police 438 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:37,000 She literally walked into the police station and said, I am Alicia Navarro, I am reported missing and I would like to be taking off that list and get a driver's license 439 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,000 I don't think it's that simple, but 440 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,000 Oh man 441 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,000 Steel said, Steel, I don't know who Steel is, I think it's the 442 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,000 Is that there? 443 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:53,000 Oh, Trent Steel, president of the Anti-Predator Project and spokesperson for Navarro 444 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,000 She said she wanted a Montana driver's license 445 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:07,000 So Navarro, who has been described as having high functioning autism, was just 14 when she slipped out of her Glendale home in September of 2019 446 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:14,000 An officer asked her, did anybody hurt you in any way? No, nobody hurt me, Navarro replied 447 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,000 Ah man, is that all of your ass 448 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:26,000 So it remains unclear how a Navarro now 18 traveled more than a thousand miles alone to a small town on the border of Canada to identify herself to police 449 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,000 Or where she's been since vanishing 450 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,000 So 451 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,000 So many issues there, right? 452 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:41,000 The mother says this is proof that miracles exist and she urged other family members of missing children not to lose hope 453 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,000 Anyway, pretty crazy though, right? 454 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,000 Look, if I thought she might be dead 455 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,000 Like yeah, you'd think as a parent 456 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,000 Of course, I'm so glad she's alive 457 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,000 Yeah 458 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,000 Of course 459 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,000 To do to do 460 00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:05,000 All right, well then thank you for listening again and yes, contact us with any story ideas you have, crimes of the past, there's a Gmail 461 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,000 Follow us on 462 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,000 Instagram 463 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,000 Instagram, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts, Spotify 464 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:19,000 Since our last podcast, we've uploaded actually all of our podcasts to YouTube 465 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,000 So if you use YouTube a little bit better 466 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,000 It's true, me too 467 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,000 It's just a podcast, we haven't added any images 468 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:31,000 Really? 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