1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,600 Welcome to Unlimited Parenting, where we discuss having children with disabilities or special 2 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,120 health care needs. 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,900 I'm your host Allison, and with me today is Melissa. 4 00:00:20,900 --> 00:00:27,560 And we are going to be talking about the components of an IEP or Individualized Education Plan. 5 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,520 So, let's get into the stuff and the things. 6 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:32,520 Melissa? 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:33,520 Yes. 8 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:34,520 Thank you for being here. 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:35,840 Thank you for having me. 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,440 I'm excited to be back. 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,520 We are recording this on a Friday. 12 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:40,520 We are. 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,040 So, I hope it's Friday wherever you are too. 14 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:49,000 I hope for everyone involved that they are having a lovely Friday as we are. 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Yeah. 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Good. 17 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Yeah, Friday. 18 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,880 That's all we're going to say about that I guess. 19 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,360 So, like I said, we're going to talk about components of an IEP. 20 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:06,840 So for the purposes of this, we are going to be taking an IEP that is just the standard 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:07,840 grade level. 22 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:08,840 Standard, yeah. 23 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:15,120 So, not transition, not pre-K. We're just going to look at the standard IEP. 24 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:20,260 So if you'll remember from previous episode, we talked about the 10 steps to special education 25 00:01:20,260 --> 00:01:23,140 and briefly mentioned creating this. 26 00:01:23,140 --> 00:01:27,600 So we're going to talk about components this week and next week we'll do a deep dive into 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:28,600 goals. 28 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:29,600 Cool. 29 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:30,720 That's a good way to do it. 30 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:31,720 Let's break it apart. 31 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,800 That's kind of the plan. 32 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,800 So again, this is, you're going to hear me rustling some papers. 33 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:39,800 I apologize. 34 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,680 I have an IEP in front of me. 35 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,680 This is Idaho specific. 36 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:51,960 So if we're doing things out of order or we mentioned something that you don't see on 37 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,800 yours, we're looking at an Idaho specific IEP. 38 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,360 However, a lot of this should apply to everybody, right? 39 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:59,360 Yeah. 40 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:05,280 A lot of, I mean, the majority of the components of an IEP or an individualized education plan 41 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:12,520 are mandated or dictated by the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act or IDEA. 42 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:17,280 So a lot of the components are going to look the same no matter what state you're in. 43 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:18,280 Wherever you are. 44 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:19,280 Yeah. 45 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,280 As long as you're in the United States. 46 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,000 After that, we're no longer the experts. 47 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,000 Nope. 48 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,960 So again, just for explicit clarification purposes, we are going to pretend that this 49 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,940 is an annual review. 50 00:02:31,940 --> 00:02:37,760 This is not an initial IEP or the triennial review. 51 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,080 Just our yearly annual review. 52 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:47,280 So when we're looking at this on page one, it's just a lot of demographic information. 53 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,280 Yeah. 54 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:53,520 So a lot of those, you know, we just have to have the student's name and birthdate and 55 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,640 their grade level, those demographics. 56 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:58,120 Yes. 57 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,520 Just that. 58 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:00,520 Everything has to have. 59 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:01,520 Yep. 60 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:06,640 But this is a good point to pause and say, are we within the year, right? 61 00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:08,600 Is this the right date? 62 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:09,740 Are we following the timeline? 63 00:03:09,740 --> 00:03:10,740 Have I moved? 64 00:03:10,740 --> 00:03:11,740 Yeah, absolutely. 65 00:03:11,740 --> 00:03:18,400 I caught, I had an old work number on my kiddos IEP last year when we met. 66 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,640 So yeah, make sure that your information is correct. 67 00:03:21,640 --> 00:03:25,560 It also is going to have your triennial evaluation date on there too. 68 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,680 So that's where every three years our kiddos are reevaluated to determine if they're still 69 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,640 eligible for special education. 70 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:32,760 That date is going to be on there too. 71 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:33,840 So that's nice to know. 72 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,200 Just back pocket when that's coming up. 73 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,320 As a heads up to prepare yourself. 74 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:39,320 Or your kiddo even. 75 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:40,320 Yeah. 76 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:41,320 Those evaluations. 77 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,040 They're there and it's appropriate, right? 78 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,040 Yep. 79 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,040 Exactly. 80 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,320 And then just below that is IEP information. 81 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,160 So what eligibility category? 82 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:59,160 And again, another good point to pause and say, eligibility category, does it really matter 83 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,760 after you've been found eligible? 84 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,520 It's just a word on a paper, right? 85 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:06,560 Pretty much. 86 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,680 As long as you're getting the services that you need, it doesn't matter if you're qualified 87 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,360 under OHI or multiple disabilities. 88 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,000 No and they change and there's really, yeah. 89 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:22,200 As long as you're qualified under one of the 14 qualifying criteria, you're qualified. 90 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:23,200 Doesn't matter. 91 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,640 Again, if that sounds weird, Idaho 14 categories. 92 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,800 Yeah, there you go. 93 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,520 Just again, as a heads up. 94 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,580 After that is procedural safeguards. 95 00:04:32,580 --> 00:04:39,160 So again, what are your rights and responsibilities as a participant in this program? 96 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,520 They're going to be offered every time. 97 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:42,520 Yep. 98 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:48,040 Every year they should be offered at your IEP meeting or the first time you enter into 99 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,520 a state complaint, they should be offered, but you should be offered your procedural 100 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,640 safeguards at least once a year. 101 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,200 And in your native language. 102 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,600 Yes, that is very important. 103 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,800 If you speak Spanish, you can get them in Spanish. 104 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:06,800 Absolutely. 105 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,120 Whatever your language is. 106 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,880 The DEA requires that, that you are provided those in your native language. 107 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:19,280 So Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, whatever that may be, they should absolutely be supplied 108 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:20,960 to you in your native language. 109 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,560 And those are going to come from the state of Idaho. 110 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,680 They're still, they would just be translated into your native language. 111 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,960 That I know you're laughing because that does seem funny. 112 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:31,960 I am. 113 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,800 But it is a situation that has happened. 114 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:36,800 Almost a chortle. 115 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,840 So, so I just, I throw that out there. 116 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:41,840 Exactly. 117 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:45,440 I throw that out there because you know, we've seen it in this office. 118 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:46,440 We've seen it. 119 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:51,500 We've seen many crazy things and we're here to remind you that you, you should have that. 120 00:05:51,500 --> 00:05:53,460 That's an expectation for you to get that. 121 00:05:53,460 --> 00:05:54,460 You should have that. 122 00:05:54,460 --> 00:05:55,640 You can decline it if you don't want it. 123 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,960 If you've seen it a million times or you have copies at home, that's your right to decline 124 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:02,720 it, but they have to offer it to you. 125 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,680 And we're in the back of it under resources. 126 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,680 So that's where you can, you can find us if you forget our phone number. 127 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,600 We're alongside people like Disability Rights IDO, State Department of Education, Rights 128 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:16,600 Law. 129 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:17,600 Yep. 130 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,840 Lots of resources in there. 131 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:24,720 You'll also notice if you're looking at this IEP forum while we're talking, it should be 132 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,600 linked in the description box wherever you're listening to this podcast. 133 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:29,600 We'll put it there. 134 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,800 You'll see something, it's in gray, some numbers and it says CFR. 135 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:34,800 Yeah. 136 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,160 Do you have any idea what that is? 137 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,160 What am I looking at? 138 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:38,160 I do. 139 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,160 So those are the federal regulations. 140 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,520 I was going to call them the regs. 141 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:52,480 So those are, like I mentioned earlier, this is all mandated and dictated out of IDEA, 142 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:57,720 Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, for all those acronyms. 143 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:05,280 So those CFRs come directly out of IDEA and correspond to exactly what section they're 144 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:06,280 in. 145 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:14,320 So I think the portion that you are looking at right now is the members of the team members 146 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,280 that are attending and there are some required members. 147 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,280 So those are going to be attached with some CFRs that point to those required members. 148 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:22,880 Am I, is that where you're looking? 149 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:23,880 Yeah. 150 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:24,880 Okay. 151 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:25,880 No, we're on the same page. 152 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:26,880 Okay, good. 153 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,880 Literally and figuratively for once in our life. 154 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:29,880 I'm just kidding. 155 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:30,880 It doesn't happen. 156 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:31,880 It doesn't happen often. 157 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:32,880 No, it does. 158 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,120 It happens all the time. 159 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,640 So those, I don't want to, yeah. 160 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,120 So that's what those CFRs there. 161 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:43,760 Those are just citing those federal regulations as they can be found to directly correspond 162 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:44,760 in IDEA. 163 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,120 And they're all over the IEP, not just on this one portion of it. 164 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:49,120 No. 165 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,180 And if you see them, that's a required portion. 166 00:07:51,180 --> 00:07:55,520 So that if you see it and that's blank in your IEP, that's not right. 167 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:56,520 We need to go back. 168 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:57,520 That's a cue to ask some questions. 169 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:58,520 Yep. 170 00:07:58,520 --> 00:07:59,520 Raise your hand. 171 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:00,520 I have some follow ups. 172 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:01,520 Yep, exactly. 173 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:02,520 Yep. 174 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,520 So next we're looking at Medicaid notifications. 175 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:09,320 So does the student's IEP include Medicaid reimbursable services? 176 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,560 And boy, is this a whole other conversation. 177 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:13,560 Yeah. 178 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,160 On iPoll's Facebook page. 179 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:17,160 Yeah. 180 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,680 We just recently did a lunch and learn with. 181 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,960 So we had Karen Stregel from the, so she's the school based school. 182 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:24,960 Okay. 183 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:25,960 It's Friday. 184 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:26,960 It's Friday. 185 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,560 We warned you it's Friday and my mouth isn't working. 186 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,140 So Karen is the school based Medicaid. 187 00:08:32,140 --> 00:08:36,880 She has a couple other really great responsibilities at Idaho State Department of Ed, but she is 188 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:42,440 responsible for kind of helping districts and families navigate school based Medicaid. 189 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:48,440 And then Almyra at the Department of Health and Welfare is kind of Karen's counterpart. 190 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:53,560 And she deals with school based Medicaid for the Department of Health and Welfare. 191 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:57,480 And the two of those ladies for put an, we can put this in the comment too. 192 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:58,480 Yeah, sure. 193 00:08:58,480 --> 00:08:59,480 Okay. 194 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:00,480 I can link it. 195 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:05,000 So she would explain school based Medicaid and probably would answer a lot of the questions 196 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:10,320 that we get a lot of the times. 197 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,680 And what I thought was really interesting was one of the key takeaways that you can 198 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:18,120 say yes to those services, billing to Medicaid. 199 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,880 You can also say no, but it doesn't take away from your budget if you receive community 200 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,520 based supports through Medicaid. 201 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:25,520 Yeah. 202 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,700 And honestly, and that's what we talked about in our lunch and learn. 203 00:09:28,700 --> 00:09:34,680 That's really one of the biggest misconceptions, I guess I should say that parents don't check 204 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:42,420 that box to allow the school to bill Medicaid because they are in fear that their home and 205 00:09:42,420 --> 00:09:45,120 community based supports will be affected. 206 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,360 It's going to come out of their budget. 207 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:51,960 I'm already using that budget for my support worker, my adaptive equipment. 208 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,400 Yeah, exactly. 209 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:54,400 All the stuff in the things. 210 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:55,400 All the stuff in the things. 211 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:56,400 Yeah. 212 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,520 So you know, that budget doesn't go a long way. 213 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,160 So we want to protect that budget. 214 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:05,160 But no, school based Medicaid is a little bit different. 215 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,240 It's not going to affect those home and community based services. 216 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:13,000 And I mean, I'll throw this out there to our schools are not getting rich off of our kids. 217 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,400 The reimbursement rate is not a full reimbursement rate. 218 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:22,560 So it's just covering a proportion of those rates that, you know, of those related services. 219 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:28,800 So whether it's occupational therapy, speech, physical therapy, behavioral intervention, 220 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:33,480 those are all school based Medicaid billable services, personal care. 221 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:34,760 I'll put you on the spot. 222 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:35,760 I checked the box. 223 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:36,760 Do you check the box? 224 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:37,760 Oh, I checked the box. 225 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:38,760 Yeah, I do. 226 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:39,760 Okay. 227 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,520 Because my kid gets a lot of school based Medicaid services. 228 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,320 Yeah, they need the box. 229 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,040 They need those boxes checked. 230 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,840 Yeah, they do. 231 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,320 Next you're going to see IEP team information. 232 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:58,680 So all of those team members listed their position and whether or not they were in attendance 233 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:06,160 for core members, parent, special ed teacher, general education teacher and district representative. 234 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:07,160 Yep. 235 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:08,160 Yeah. 236 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,840 And you might have a few others in there if your kiddos getting related services like 237 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:16,240 a speech pathologist, an OT, a PT, someone like that. 238 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,720 Maybe the nurse if there's a health care plan. 239 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,160 My kiddo has a health care plan. 240 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:21,280 So the nurse pops in. 241 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,040 But those are not required members. 242 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,360 So if you remember, we just talked about those CFRs. 243 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,920 The required members have a CFR next to them. 244 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:32,340 The non required members won't. 245 00:11:32,340 --> 00:11:37,320 So that kind of dictates who should be there and who shouldn't. 246 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,520 Generally IEP meetings are a full house though. 247 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:40,520 Oh, yeah. 248 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,360 It's everybody in their mom at the IEP meeting. 249 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,000 It's the place to be. 250 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,000 Yep. 251 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,640 Happy times. 252 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:51,120 So then we're going to move to this is the portion of the IEP where you would select 253 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,440 early childhood standard or secondary. 254 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:54,440 Again we're doing standards. 255 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,160 So at this point we would dive into goals. 256 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,160 Yep. 257 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,360 And like I said, next week we're going to do a really deep dive into goals. 258 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:06,480 But basically when we're looking at goals, we're looking at the three main components 259 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,680 which are disability impact statements. 260 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:12,640 Help me, parent input. 261 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,920 So we need parent input and then we need kind of a baseline. 262 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:16,920 Oh, there we go. 263 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:17,920 Thank you. 264 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:18,920 Where are our kiddos at? 265 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:19,920 Yep. 266 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,000 And then from there we can make benchmarks and talk about how we're going to track it. 267 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,480 But this is the goal portion. 268 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:25,480 Yep. 269 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:31,440 And that can be again individualized to one goal, two goals, a million goals. 270 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,080 Some IEPs are 13 pages. 271 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:35,440 Some are 25, right? 272 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:36,440 Yep. 273 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:37,440 Some are two. 274 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:38,440 Well, probably four. 275 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:39,720 You know, when you get all that other stuff in there. 276 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:44,040 But yeah, if we have a speech only IEP, they could be a couple of pages with a couple of 277 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:45,040 goals. 278 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,120 If it is two pages, please call us. 279 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,120 Yeah. 280 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:49,120 Sorry. 281 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,120 Yeah. 282 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:56,800 Two pages would be, you know, just your demographics and then your, you know, your back page with 283 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:57,800 us on it. 284 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,960 So that probably is, it's more for teasing Melissa. 285 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:02,960 Yeah. 286 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:03,960 It's literally my life goal. 287 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:04,960 It's in my IEP. 288 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,680 I have to track how many times I tease you. 289 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:09,680 Okay. 290 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:10,680 Then we're moving on. 291 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:11,680 You need a behavior chart. 292 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:12,680 I probably do. 293 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:15,280 I hate that. 294 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:16,920 We're moving on to IEP services. 295 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:21,840 So again, this can look much larger or it can be a much smaller. 296 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:22,840 How is it? 297 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:23,840 It's a chart, right? 298 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:24,840 Yeah. 299 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:29,200 So it'll be a chart that should be broken apart by minutes received. 300 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,460 Some districts will do minutes per week per day. 301 00:13:32,460 --> 00:13:35,280 So it's going to look a little bit different just depending on your district. 302 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,240 But yeah, it will be in a chart. 303 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:42,600 Where is it location wise with school, which again is a really fun time to get creative. 304 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:43,600 Yeah. 305 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:49,080 PBIS supports maybe on the playground or occupational therapy on the playground. 306 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,200 Start time, end time, again minutes. 307 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:57,760 And what is this optional statement of service delivery? 308 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,920 So that's kind of a COVID response. 309 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:08,080 So districts are obligated to provide an optional statement of delivery. 310 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,440 So like a distance learning plan. 311 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:15,200 If we were to experience a pandemic again that forced us all back into our homes, please 312 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:16,400 no, don't let that happen. 313 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,600 You put that back into your mouth and out of the universe. 314 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,680 I can find some wood and knock on something. 315 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:26,700 So if we if something like that were to happen again, this provides that optional statement 316 00:14:26,700 --> 00:14:30,840 of delivery or if a kiddo has a long term illness and is going to be home. 317 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,920 But you know, that's I shouldn't have even said that. 318 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,120 That's kind of a whole other homebound discussion. 319 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:42,160 But what you're basically saying is just another point of proof of hyper individualization 320 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,040 for this whole document. 321 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,640 It's all bases covered. 322 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,080 Yep, you're exactly right. 323 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:52,880 So after IEP services, we move to another not that all parts of the IEP aren't super 324 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:58,920 critical, but this one really sticks out for me personally is LRE or least restrictive 325 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,280 environment. 326 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:05,600 So just real briefly, we're going to, you know, put the student to the maximum extent 327 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:10,000 possible with general education peers when and where appropriate. 328 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,160 So least restrictive environment, not a place. 329 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,640 No, not a place necessarily. 330 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:22,720 No, just and sometimes it does it is listed as a place or it will make sense to have be 331 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,800 a place because when we're talking in terms of like the gen ed classroom or a special 332 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:32,600 education classroom or resource room, it's easier to point out and put it on paper like 333 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:33,600 that. 334 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,040 But it can be more than that. 335 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:43,680 Like, for example, my student participates with his gen ed peers in general education 336 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:47,840 PE and general education library, general education music. 337 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,320 So it's not necessarily in the gen ed classroom, but it's with his gen ed peers. 338 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:52,680 Does that make sense? 339 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:57,360 Yes, but then that's also translating exactly like you said to this piece below average 340 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:02,080 time outside the general education environment and average time inside that environment. 341 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:07,080 And that's like those will be percentages, like 80, 20, 50, 50. 342 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,080 Yeah. 343 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,080 Yep. 344 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,580 And that's individualized for every kid is going to be different. 345 00:16:11,580 --> 00:16:15,000 Every student, it's going to look a little bit different because we want a student in 346 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,120 their least restrictive environment to the maximum extent possible. 347 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,720 And this could be a student who is receiving push in services. 348 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,260 So they're in the general education classroom 100 percent of the time, but they're still 349 00:16:26,260 --> 00:16:29,920 receiving special education through push in services. 350 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:30,920 Absolutely. 351 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,480 So this could look like anything. 352 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,120 The world is your oyster. 353 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,360 Then we're going to move over to placement considerations, which is a series of yes or 354 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,040 no questions. 355 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:47,080 Things like is this based on the students educational needs that are documented? 356 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,280 Is this close to the students home as possible? 357 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,060 Is this where the student would attend if they didn't have a disability? 358 00:16:55,060 --> 00:16:57,280 Did we consider any harmful effect? 359 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,840 These are kind of LRE questions, right? 360 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,020 Then after that, we're going to move to other considerations. 361 00:17:05,020 --> 00:17:08,540 So I think we should go through all of these because these are all very different. 362 00:17:08,540 --> 00:17:11,520 So number one, special transportation. 363 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:12,520 Yep. 364 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:18,400 And that can look really, really different, right? 365 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:19,400 You can. 366 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:20,400 Yeah. 367 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:25,960 Depending upon your students needs, the district's transportation, you know, the companies they 368 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:26,960 work with. 369 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:33,200 I mean, our rural schools don't have, you know, large special education buses. 370 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:34,200 They don't need them. 371 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:35,200 They don't have a need for them. 372 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:39,020 So their buses are potentially it's a van or yeah. 373 00:17:39,020 --> 00:17:43,600 So specialized transportation is a related service in a kiddos IEP that they are found 374 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,000 eligible for. 375 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,000 And the districts are obligated to provide special education transportation if the student 376 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,560 is eligible. 377 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:56,760 And they really have our students, you know, best addresses at heart. 378 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,280 They're really in some cases getting super creative. 379 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:05,960 Like wasn't there during COVID an instance where I I'm going to butcher this story, so 380 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,600 I apologize in advance. 381 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:13,040 A student was transported to school in an ambulance or something. 382 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,360 They got really creative, right? 383 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:16,360 Yeah. 384 00:18:16,360 --> 00:18:17,360 A hotel. 385 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:21,160 It was a hotel shuttle that was doing some of the transportation. 386 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,560 I would have never thought. 387 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:23,560 Yeah, I know. 388 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,880 That was super outside the box thinking that like we got to get this kid to school. 389 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:32,080 It's our responsibility to provide this transportation just like we would provide it for any other 390 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:33,080 student. 391 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:34,080 Yep. 392 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:35,080 I'm like, wow, that's impressive. 393 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:39,880 We've heard of taxis being utilized sometimes, you know, when busing is an option. 394 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:44,000 I mean, and this is very much getting into the weeds and going down a rabbit hole of 395 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,000 transportation. 396 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:52,640 But parents and districts can come into an agreement that parents are paid for the transport. 397 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:57,880 I mean, it's it's very individualized situations, but this is an individualized education plan. 398 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:58,880 Exactly. 399 00:18:58,880 --> 00:18:59,880 Ask. 400 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:01,760 Ask to brainstorm out of the box. 401 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:02,760 Call us. 402 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,120 We've seen we've seen literally everything. 403 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:05,720 Yeah, you can't surprise me. 404 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,960 In fact, you know what? 405 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,800 I will pay you to surprise. 406 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,220 We are at no cost to families, but you could pay. 407 00:19:15,220 --> 00:19:17,080 We will pay you if you surprise us. 408 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,080 I don't know. 409 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,080 We maybe shouldn't say that. 410 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,680 Be entered into my weekly drawing. 411 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:21,680 There we go. 412 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,480 And the Amazon gift card. 413 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:24,480 I love it. 414 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,520 OK, see, we're losing it. 415 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,680 We're losing it on this Friday. 416 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,040 Deep diving into an IEP. 417 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,000 But it's important. 418 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,000 It's important. 419 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:39,440 I think it's really cool to share with parents all the things that we've seen made happen 420 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:44,440 so that they know that, you know, these school districts really do want to support our kids 421 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,680 and all the things that we've tried and maybe something speaks to them. 422 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,160 Yeah, no, I agree. 423 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:55,440 And that in Idaho being Idaho, you know, we are a rural front here state. 424 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:56,640 We hear this all the time. 425 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:01,080 So we got to think outside of the box sometimes, and especially in these little tiny districts. 426 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:05,120 Yeah, and I said it before on a different podcast, but I think it bears repeating. 427 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:08,080 I might as well make it a sound option on this soundboard. 428 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:13,680 But I mean, Boise means something different than Bonner's Ferry, right? 429 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:14,680 Yes. 430 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:19,840 Rupert and Kimberly, Idaho might not be the same as West Ada School District. 431 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:20,840 Absolutely. 432 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:25,880 So, yeah, we're dealing with different challenges all over. 433 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,240 And so let's get creative and and we can help because like we've seen it. 434 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,120 It's our job to make it work. 435 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:33,120 Yeah. 436 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:38,280 So next consideration is our extended school year services required for this student. 437 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:44,920 So basically, if I'm reading this correctly, how it's it's essentially asking how much 438 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:50,280 regression is going to occur if this student is out of school for the summer, right? 439 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:51,280 Yeah, exactly. 440 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,560 So it extended school year, not many kiddos qualify. 441 00:20:55,560 --> 00:21:02,880 It's not to continue working on or it's not to work on the IP. 442 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,400 It is extended school year. 443 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,560 Yes, you're exactly right. 444 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,800 It is for the kiddo that is nearing mastery of a certain skill. 445 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,860 And we don't want to see that that summer slip, that regression happen. 446 00:21:13,860 --> 00:21:20,300 Or if we know that, yeah, we're going to have big, big regression come fall and we need 447 00:21:20,300 --> 00:21:21,920 to alleviate that. 448 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:28,680 But extended school year is completely different than a traditional school school year. 449 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:33,560 They're going to be just working on those very individualized skills that that would 450 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,340 be showing those signs of regression. 451 00:21:37,340 --> 00:21:44,200 So not not like a summer camp, but not as academically intensive focus, just making 452 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,920 sure that we're not going to have to make up for lost time. 453 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:47,920 Yeah. 454 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:48,920 OK. 455 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:54,920 So extended school year, again, it looks different in different areas or different districts. 456 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,080 Sometimes it can. 457 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,840 It can be really challenging because it's at a different school or a different placement 458 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:07,120 than the child traditionally, you know, during the regular school year will be going. 459 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:09,760 So it does. 460 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:10,760 It's very individualized. 461 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,360 It's very individualized. 462 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:15,840 Let's just put it at that, which that's going to be our go to answer for. 463 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,400 We need a button that says that. 464 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,400 Yeah. 465 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,400 It's very individualized. 466 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:20,880 I mean, we're not. 467 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,080 I mean, it's not a lie. 468 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,080 It's not. 469 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,080 It's just not summer school. 470 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,080 Right. 471 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,080 Yes. 472 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,080 Don't think it's summer school. 473 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,920 Don't think it's heavily academic, but just know that it is an option and some people 474 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,080 qualify for it. 475 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,080 Yeah. 476 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,600 And this is right about the time where they're letting you know if your student is qualifying 477 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,720 in preparation for the extended school year. 478 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:44,200 So right around into February, middle of March is when that notification usually happens. 479 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,200 Yes. 480 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,200 So we're recording this in February. 481 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:51,560 You might not hear it for a couple of months, but I mean, maybe we can make a Patreon and 482 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,080 give people sneak peeks to the podcast. 483 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,280 However, if you have any questions, you can call us any time and we would have this conversation 484 00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:59,280 with you. 485 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,280 You don't have to wait for the podcast. 486 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,240 You can hear my voice Monday through Friday, nine to five. 487 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,360 OK, moving on. 488 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:09,340 Does the student have limited proficiency in English? 489 00:23:09,340 --> 00:23:12,440 Is the student deaf or hard of hearing? 490 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,200 Does the student have unique communication needs? 491 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,640 Is the student blind or visually impaired? 492 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,640 And does the student have health care needs? 493 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:27,320 So this is essentially the we're making sure all the other things are checked off and that 494 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,040 we don't need to address anything before we move forward. 495 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,040 Right. 496 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,040 Exactly. 497 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,040 That's exactly what it is. 498 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,280 Do we need to bring in any outside support? 499 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,400 So do we need, you know, if we have a student with a visual or hearing impairment, that's 500 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:45,960 when we bring in IESBD, any assistive technology, we can, you know, there's there's a lot of 501 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:46,960 options there. 502 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:54,280 And those students that their English isn't their what their first language is limited 503 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,280 proficiency. 504 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,000 OK, so that's sometimes where we have that ESL students. 505 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,860 So English is a second language. 506 00:23:59,860 --> 00:24:03,320 That's where we just identify all of this so that then we can identify the supports 507 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,800 that the student needs. 508 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:05,800 Yes. 509 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:14,120 So those those ones that we just listed are more they're looking at the physical things. 510 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:17,020 The next part is behavioral need. 511 00:24:17,020 --> 00:24:18,020 Yep. 512 00:24:18,020 --> 00:24:22,400 So the next one goes, does behavior impede the students learning or the learning of others? 513 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:29,040 And then at that point is where we would ask, does this student have what we call a BIP, 514 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,220 a behavioral intervention plan? 515 00:24:31,220 --> 00:24:32,220 Is it working? 516 00:24:32,220 --> 00:24:33,600 Do we need to adjust it? 517 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,600 What does it look like? 518 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,520 And then we're going to talk about the goals and then again, how those goals are reported 519 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:46,080 on because BIPs can have different reporting than the other goals throughout the IEP. 520 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,720 So sometimes we're really looking at those behaviors more often. 521 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,800 So that can look like, let's just say students name is Timmy. 522 00:24:54,800 --> 00:25:00,920 Timmy has a series of coping skills that he knows that he can utilize at any point. 523 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:09,680 So how many times did Timmy use those coping skills without needing any kind of prompting? 524 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:16,000 So that reporting looks different than did some let's say Timmy's other goal was something 525 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:24,920 along the lines of Timmy's going to be asked once a week to say the alphabet phonetically 526 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,840 or something along those lines. 527 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,600 So that's where reporting can look very different. 528 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,360 So and then you again, you can have a behavioral intervention plan standalone. 529 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:35,640 It can go with a 504. 530 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,480 You see it here in an IEP. 531 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,320 This is just another section, very individualized, does not apply to everybody. 532 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:43,320 Yes. 533 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,320 You handled that nicely. 534 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,320 Thank you. 535 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:46,960 I was dying and trying not to cough into the microphone. 536 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:47,960 So I apologize. 537 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,680 But isn't that so nice? 538 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,520 I just did it, right? 539 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,520 I didn't need help. 540 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,760 Why would you need help? 541 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,960 For those of you listening who don't recognize my voice, I'm sorry, you probably will soon. 542 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,040 But I am the newest member of Idaho Parents Unlimited. 543 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,040 You are. 544 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,520 But you are now you very much have solidified yourself as the behavioral expert at Idaho 545 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,520 Parents Unlimited. 546 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,560 Through many years of experience. 547 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:16,560 Yes. 548 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,400 She's lived in the behavioral trenches and has crawled her way out. 549 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,400 I've written them. 550 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,400 I've seen them. 551 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,800 I dream about the bibs in my sleep. 552 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,440 So she's our go to. 553 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,000 So I'm glad that that's the part that I decided to get a tickle in my throat. 554 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,200 Couldn't have done it better. 555 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,240 Please don't when we talk about assistive technology. 556 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,280 I'm going to need you then. 557 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,280 I got it. 558 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,280 I gotcha. 559 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:44,120 We're going to move on to accommodations, adaptations and or supports. 560 00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:51,360 So when we're looking at accommodations, we're going to answer questions like presentation, 561 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:54,880 timing, setting and response. 562 00:26:54,880 --> 00:27:03,920 So a common adaptation that I see a lot for whatever reason is preferred seating. 563 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:04,920 Yep. 564 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:10,160 Yeah, that's I would say hands down probably the most common adaptation. 565 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,560 And that can happen in an IEP or a 504. 566 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:13,560 Right. 567 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:14,560 Because that's an accommodation. 568 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:15,720 But right. 569 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,080 So I digress. 570 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:22,180 Can you give an example of an accommodation that would fall under that would be needing 571 00:27:22,180 --> 00:27:26,500 specifics under timing and schedule? 572 00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:31,200 As far as preferred seating or any accommodation, is that like I sat accommodate? 573 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,160 Yeah, that's a really good one that has the schedule and timing. 574 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,860 So those or just testing in general. 575 00:27:37,860 --> 00:27:45,560 So if a student needs additional accommodations for test taking, so the frequency or the timing 576 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:50,280 would be when when a test is happening, you know, so we don't know where does that setting 577 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,280 happen? 578 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:58,000 If a student needs extra support or maybe they need to take their they need to do their 579 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:03,140 testing in a quiet room away from from others. 580 00:28:03,140 --> 00:28:07,780 Maybe they need to do it in a different type of seating situation. 581 00:28:07,780 --> 00:28:09,280 So that's where you would then pull in. 582 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,060 So your timing and your schedule is going to look a little bit different. 583 00:28:12,060 --> 00:28:17,520 Even your setting because potentially they're taking it in the test in a library or in a 584 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,040 quieter setting. 585 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,600 We see preferential or we see seating as an option. 586 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:30,160 So that could look like a balance, a balance board or a ball seating, something for a student 587 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:35,580 that has trouble focusing and needs that seating or even something as simple as I am visually 588 00:28:35,580 --> 00:28:39,600 impaired so I sit in the front of the class or I can't sit next to Bobby. 589 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,120 So I'm just seated somewhere differently than Bobby. 590 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,120 Yeah. 591 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:49,400 Or some sometimes kiddos have urgent bathroom needs and they need to be seated. 592 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,840 I told you it's Friday and I am okay. 593 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,960 They need to be seated next to the you know in the back. 594 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:56,960 Okay. 595 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:57,960 Thank you. 596 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,600 I'm glad I got her on that one. 597 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,520 Trying so hard not to laugh. 598 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,800 If you know me in person, you know my laugh is one that would just rupture your eardrum 599 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,720 if recorded on a microphone. 600 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,000 So I'm trying really hard. 601 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,000 That's true. 602 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,000 So hard here. 603 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:21,880 But I also wanted to take this opportunity to plug that if you are taking ISATs or IRI 604 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:28,160 or any of those, correct me if I'm wrong, but you can only use accommodations that you 605 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,920 normally use in your IEP. 606 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,880 You cannot request extra accommodations. 607 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,000 So if you're not using accommodations for test taking and then you want to try to use 608 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,480 them for the ISAT, they're going to tell you no, right? 609 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,480 Yep. 610 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,480 Yeah. 611 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,480 So have those in there if you want them. 612 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:41,480 Absolutely. 613 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:46,240 And then after accommodations, we're going to move to adaptations, which are changes 614 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,600 to what the student is learning, not how they're learning. 615 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,600 Yeah. 616 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,200 So let's say Timmy's in fourth grade. 617 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:59,960 Timmy needs lower lexile level learning essentially for reading. 618 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:02,280 So he's getting second grade instruction. 619 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,760 So that's where his adaptation comes into play. 620 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:05,760 Yep. 621 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:11,080 So we're still following content standards, but we're just making that adaptation to a 622 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,720 lower lexile score for Timmy. 623 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,480 So that, yep. 624 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,320 Maybe that's the only time Timmy gets pulled out of the general education environment is 625 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,440 just for that. 626 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,200 And then he's with his general education peers for the rest of the day. 627 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,720 Or maybe Timmy is always in an inclusive classroom. 628 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,600 Yeah, he can have those individualized. 629 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:29,960 Yeah, those push-in supports. 630 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:30,960 Yeah. 631 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,720 And that's again what this document is for. 632 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,200 It's going to spell it all out so everybody knows. 633 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,160 And then after that, we're going to move to participation in statewide and district wide 634 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,920 assessments, how timely. 635 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,700 And then we're going to have a whole bunch of options. 636 00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:50,400 So IRI, ISAT, ISAT-ALT, we're not going to test them. 637 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,520 Again, I'm going to put you on the spot. 638 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,520 Okay, put me on the spot. 639 00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:00,720 You have a child who does not take a lot of testing. 640 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,760 However, he still does take the ISAT, correct? 641 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,200 He is nonverbal. 642 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,400 He is nonverbal, yep. 643 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,400 He is in seventh grade. 644 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,920 So he takes the ISAT-ALT and he goes until he can't go anymore. 645 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,880 And that's probably one question. 646 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:21,160 And that's okay because he, you know, he's in that 3% of kiddos realistically in the 647 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:28,880 state that qualifies for the ISAT-ALT because he has some pretty significant learning disabilities, 648 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,440 cognitive deficiencies. 649 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,640 And so he qualifies for that. 650 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:38,120 And that has been determined by his IEP team, but he still takes them. 651 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,120 And for the most part, every student really takes it. 652 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:47,060 There are some students who opt out completely, but then that changes how they graduate. 653 00:31:47,060 --> 00:31:48,060 Is that correct? 654 00:31:48,060 --> 00:31:51,560 Or am I misleading? 655 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,440 There should I strike that from the record? 656 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,440 No. 657 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:02,680 Well, it's part of a bigger picture of graduation requirements, I guess I would say. 658 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:10,480 Some, so I'm trying to answer this. 659 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,280 I wish I could insert some Jeopardy music while we pause for diplomacy, right? 660 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,560 And how we're going to answer this. 661 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,320 So students that are, oops, I hit the microphone. 662 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,320 Sorry. 663 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:29,000 Students that are meeting graduation requirements will have, yes, State of Idaho. 664 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,400 I think it's the, you're putting me on the spot. 665 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,400 Okay. 666 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,480 I'm going to pause for a minute and just say that if you feel like your child does not 667 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,840 need to take the ISAT, please reach out and we can help you guide you through that process 668 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,280 of how to deny that on the IEP and opt out. 669 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,480 However, a lot of students take it. 670 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,600 My student takes it. 671 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,600 Your student takes it. 672 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,240 Everyone's students in this office. 673 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,880 Yeah, we take everybody. 674 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,120 Everybody takes it. 675 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,680 Some people don't want to take it and that's fine. 676 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:00,680 Exactly. 677 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,760 But in terms of graduation requirements, there's, it's getting into the weeds. 678 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:10,920 So I know this could be a 30 minute conversation and I'm happy to do that. 679 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,200 Let's have another podcast about that. 680 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,920 Well, we were planning this podcast. 681 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,760 We said, now, listen, we're just going to stick to the topics. 682 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,840 We're not going to go too in depth. 683 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,480 And this was her saying this to me because she knows I'll keep asking. 684 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,480 So I was trying. 685 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,560 For example, she's trying very politely to guide me back to the paper. 686 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:34,560 It's not working. 687 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,240 You must say it to my face. 688 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,240 Okay. 689 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,240 Okay. 690 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,640 Written notice of special education action. 691 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,000 So is this the prior? 692 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,080 This is the prior written notice section, right? 693 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,080 Yep. 694 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,520 So this is where we're including the school is including all of the actions they have 695 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,000 proposed. 696 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,720 So any changes that are being made, anything that's being added, redact, right? 697 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:57,720 Yeah. 698 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,920 Anything that you have added during the course of your IEP meeting, any of those, maybe we've 699 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,520 added a couple of accommodations. 700 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,280 Maybe we've removed a couple, but yeah, that's where that's going to be noted. 701 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,560 And then why? 702 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:11,880 Why did we agree to this? 703 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,440 Why did we disagree with this? 704 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,680 What did we consider when we were doing that? 705 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:16,680 What did we look at? 706 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:17,680 Yep. 707 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,920 And any other information that may not have fit into any of those categories I just listed 708 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,520 that might be relevant to the discussion. 709 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,920 And if you're not having, if you don't have this IEP form in front of you right now, let 710 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,320 me just say that there are so many CFRs. 711 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,400 They're listed next to this prior written notice section. 712 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,780 So I guarantee that you would see that in the procedural safeguards too. 713 00:34:39,780 --> 00:34:44,360 So this is very important and will always be provided if a change is going to be made. 714 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,360 Yep. 715 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,880 And prior written notice has to happen. 716 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,680 There's a lot of instances where it has to happen. 717 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,720 So that's why it's dedicated a big portion to it because it's a very big component of 718 00:34:55,720 --> 00:34:59,120 IDEA and getting this information to parents. 719 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,360 And it must be in your native language. 720 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,680 It must be in your native language. 721 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:03,680 Yes. 722 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:09,640 And then we moved to consent for initial placement, which is on this IEP even though we say we're 723 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,400 doing an annual review. 724 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,960 So you're doing, so we'll stick with the annual review. 725 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,680 You're going to sign. 726 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,640 And when you sign, you're saying that you're present. 727 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,640 Yep. 728 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:19,640 That's all you're doing. 729 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:20,640 Not consent. 730 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:21,640 No. 731 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,200 Because you've consented to that initial IEP. 732 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:29,000 So that's the only time that your signature is signing consent. 733 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,000 Any other time that you sign, you're just signing that you are in attendance. 734 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,800 So for the purposes of this podcast, we're going to say, no, this is not initial placement. 735 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:39,800 Correct. 736 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,640 And I will, let me add that this is, please do. 737 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,260 This is specific to the state of Idaho. 738 00:35:46,260 --> 00:35:49,440 So if you're listening somewhere else, the whole signing thing. 739 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,720 Thank you. 740 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:54,960 The whole signing thing, we hear that quite often parents say, I'm not signing. 741 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,400 I refuse to sign. 742 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,840 And that's just essentially in Idaho saying that you were not in attendance at the meeting. 743 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,480 It has no repercussions. 744 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,680 There are other things. 745 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,440 That's when you call us because this is a bigger conversation. 746 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,800 Yes, because you're going to get the copy of the IEP and then you have 10 days to dispute. 747 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,400 You could do some stay put pendency. 748 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,400 I digress. 749 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:13,400 Yes, we do that. 750 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,180 Please, Allison, digress. 751 00:36:16,180 --> 00:36:21,480 So then we'd move on to a copy of the IEP has been provided to the parent guardian. 752 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,080 It should be in that moment. 753 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,080 Not necessarily. 754 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,920 If there were a lot of proposed changes or amendments or, you know, we added, we removed 755 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:36,000 the school has 10 days after that IEP meeting to supply the parent with a copy of the IEP. 756 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,160 So I always ask for one ahead of time. 757 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:44,760 I was just about to say you can make that request, but it's nothing that is, you don't 758 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,560 have any legal basis to request that it's kind of just, hey, if you have that available, 759 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,880 I'd love to take a look at it so that I could be a more prepared participant in the conversation. 760 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,260 Yeah, it's a good best practice in schools. 761 00:36:56,260 --> 00:37:01,280 It really cuts down on the amount of time that an IEP meeting can take if a parent has 762 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:06,640 pre seen what is going to be in it and that, you know, can kind of start on some of those 763 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:07,900 questions. 764 00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:09,840 It's helpful, I guess is what we're saying here. 765 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,600 But yeah, you have 10 days after your IEP meeting concludes to get a copy of that IEP 766 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,880 to your hands. 767 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,960 Thank you for hanging in with us this long. 768 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,160 We are so close to being done. 769 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,800 This podcast is almost the length of an actual IEP meeting. 770 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,720 Of course it is. 771 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,200 We didn't even talk about goals. 772 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,320 That's why I knew, I knew it had to be its own thing. 773 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,440 I'm like, I would never, I would never get through it. 774 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,040 I just wouldn't have so much to say. 775 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,320 So then we'd move on to who do you contact if you need assistance? 776 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:47,240 So this is where you're going to get your school district contact information and then 777 00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:52,240 wouldn't you know, a list of agencies. 778 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:53,360 Why are we not first? 779 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,360 I'm just kidding. 780 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,320 So we have Idaho State Department of Education. 781 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,320 Because they are first. 782 00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,800 I mean, I guess that makes sense. 783 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:00,800 And we love them. 784 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,600 Of course we do. 785 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,880 We have, we actually, I would like to plug. 786 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:05,880 Yeah. 787 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:11,200 If you've come from out of state or you're new to special education and you somehow found 788 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,680 this podcast, we really do. 789 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:19,880 Idaho has a great partnership with the State Department of Education that is really honestly 790 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,680 not replicated in other states. 791 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,960 And I've been to other states, even though I'm the newest person here, I've seen it and 792 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,040 I've heard other places complain. 793 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,480 How did you do that? 794 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,000 How did you make that work? 795 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,880 We get that question all the time. 796 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:40,120 Any national conferences that we go to with our peers is not replicated across the country. 797 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:46,520 Our state department and our relationship is, it's a great one and we are so lucky. 798 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:47,840 They wish we could be us. 799 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,520 Yeah, they do. 800 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,160 We've heard that time and time again, how in the world, you know, and we've, we've sat 801 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,720 on panels to discuss our partnerships and the different projects that we work on to 802 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:02,200 try to help other states replicate. 803 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,240 I think that's what, again, here we go off in the weeds. 804 00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:12,800 My thought is that, you know, Idaho is small enough still that we are able to really forge 805 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,760 those relationships and maintain them. 806 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:16,760 That's my thought. 807 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,560 Shout out to you, Angela Lindig, executive director of Idaho Parents Unlimited for putting 808 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:22,800 in the work. 809 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:23,800 Yes. 810 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,160 And those relationships have been, yeah, they've been built over, over the time. 811 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,480 It hasn't just been, you know, within the last year. 812 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,520 Since 1985. 813 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,600 Yeah. 814 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,280 So that's why the State Department comes first and then comes us and we are kind of sandwiched 815 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,720 in disability rights. 816 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:44,240 There's Idaho Legal Aid, Idaho Bar Association. 817 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:49,120 So unfortunately, this makes us sometimes look like we are attorneys or we play them 818 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,320 on TV or on podcasts, but we do not. 819 00:39:53,320 --> 00:40:00,080 I will give you a lot of advice, but please do not listen to any legal advice I give you. 820 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,960 We are not attorneys. 821 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,800 I will absolutely provide you the resources that will get you to the people who should 822 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,680 be providing you legal advice. 823 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:09,680 Yes. 824 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:10,680 Yes, we will. 825 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,680 I'm only here for the purposes of entertainment. 826 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,120 And that even that sometimes is quite a struggle. 827 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,120 Sorry. 828 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,120 Hey, I'm kidding. 829 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,120 I'm kidding. 830 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,120 I'll mute your microphone. 831 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,120 She will. 832 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,120 I will. 833 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,120 Don't test me. 834 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,120 So that is the whole IEP. 835 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,120 Without goals. 836 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,120 Without a deep dive. 837 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,120 Yeah, without a deep dive. 838 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,120 We briefly discussed them. 839 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:39,760 So on that note, any lingering thoughts you really want to add here? 840 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:40,760 I don't think so. 841 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,760 For the people to know. 842 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:51,040 No, the IEP is a long document that is a legal document, but I will say this, it's fluid 843 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,080 and it can be changed at any time. 844 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,520 I just got off the phone with a parent and told her the exact same thing. 845 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,160 It's not written in stone. 846 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:00,360 So just know that. 847 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,680 And please call us. 848 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:02,680 Uh huh. 849 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:03,680 Yeah. 850 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:04,680 We'll help. 851 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:05,680 We need a 1-800 number. 852 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:06,680 1-800. 853 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:07,680 Idaho parents unlimited. 854 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:14,660 That's all we had with. 855 00:41:14,660 --> 00:41:17,880 Thank you so much everyone out there for listening in. 856 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:24,080 If you are in Idaho or planning on moving to Idaho and have any questions on systems 857 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:29,040 or services for children with disabilities, please do not hesitate to reach out to us 858 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,120 on our website. 859 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,120 That's ipulidaho.org. 860 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,120 I-P-U-L-I-D-A-H-O.org. 861 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:40,240 Be sure to come back next time where, surprise, surprise, we're going to have an in-depth 862 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:42,840 discussion on strengths based goals. 863 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,840 And then after that, we'll take a small break from IEPs. 864 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,840 And discuss other areas of concern. 865 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,320 Until then, I'm Allison. 866 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,320 And I'm Melissa. 867 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,440 And this has been Unlimited Parenting.