WEBVTT 00:00:09.389 --> 00:00:12.810 Welcome back to Unlimited Parenting. This is 00:00:12.810 --> 00:00:15.529 a podcast where we talk about anything and everything 00:00:15.529 --> 00:00:19.489 related to parenting children with special healthcare 00:00:19.489 --> 00:00:22.890 needs, developmental disabilities, you name it, 00:00:23.250 --> 00:00:27.589 we got it. And now we are on part five. This 00:00:27.589 --> 00:00:32.850 is the end. We made it. We have made it to the 00:00:32.850 --> 00:00:37.070 end. We are at the last two steps. We just skipped 00:00:37.070 --> 00:00:40.079 along the way. We sure, we surely have. The road 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:43.840 of steps. Share it with me Chester. We are on 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:46.780 steps nine and ten. Let's go back to the last 00:00:46.780 --> 00:00:48.840 episode. If you're paying attention, that's a 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:54.200 little Easter egg. Step nine is IEP review. Okay. 00:00:54.659 --> 00:00:59.579 And step ten is the triennial evaluation. And 00:00:59.579 --> 00:01:02.060 I don't think I've ever. Really, in my personal 00:01:02.060 --> 00:01:04.359 experience, heard to it referred that way. I 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:06.219 don't want to jump ahead all the way to step 00:01:06.219 --> 00:01:10.700 10. But I think it's often just... The three 00:01:10.700 --> 00:01:12.980 -year review. Exactly. No one really. Nobody 00:01:12.980 --> 00:01:15.480 wants to say tri -annual. I kind of do, though. 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:20.140 But I don't because I have to stop and push my 00:01:20.140 --> 00:01:24.579 speech impediment back. It's okay. Let's talk 00:01:24.579 --> 00:01:26.840 about the three -year review. Step nine. No, 00:01:27.060 --> 00:01:29.420 we can't. We're on step nine. Step nine, IEP 00:01:29.420 --> 00:01:33.950 review. at least once a year. Yeah, bare minimum. 00:01:34.510 --> 00:01:37.370 The whole entire IEP team is gonna come back 00:01:37.370 --> 00:01:41.209 together and they're gonna do a formal review 00:01:41.209 --> 00:01:45.930 from top to bottom. What's that old phrase? From 00:01:45.930 --> 00:01:51.730 spoon to nuts. Everything. I've never. Okay, 00:01:51.829 --> 00:01:52.989 so hold on, we're gonna have to get that out. 00:01:53.469 --> 00:01:55.810 Okay, so spoon is like the beginning of a meal, 00:01:56.250 --> 00:02:00.030 and traditionally in medieval times, nuts, like 00:02:00.030 --> 00:02:02.909 a handful of cashews would signify the end of 00:02:02.909 --> 00:02:06.090 a meal. You're done. So people would say spooned 00:02:06.090 --> 00:02:09.270 nuts. The whole thing is covered, spooned nuts. 00:02:09.810 --> 00:02:12.710 You never heard that before? Never. All right. 00:02:12.949 --> 00:02:15.330 Look it, we're learning along, you're learning 00:02:15.330 --> 00:02:17.250 alongside of me, ladies and gentlemen. I haven't 00:02:17.250 --> 00:02:19.169 heard of that. Spoon to nuts, or is it soup to 00:02:19.169 --> 00:02:22.490 nuts? I think it's soup to nuts. I haven't heard 00:02:22.490 --> 00:02:29.879 of it. Okay. And we're back, okay. So at least 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:31.960 once a year, they're going to review it from 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:35.580 top to bottom. Yes. From the goals all the way 00:02:35.580 --> 00:02:38.379 down to whether or not you're participating in 00:02:38.379 --> 00:02:41.099 statewide assessments. Yes. Now you will not 00:02:41.099 --> 00:02:44.620 have new eligibility assessments. Not at the 00:02:44.620 --> 00:02:46.500 one -year review. Not at the one -year. Or every 00:02:46.500 --> 00:02:50.400 year. But you as a parent should be asked for 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:52.780 your input because you are a team member and 00:02:52.780 --> 00:02:55.159 that is very important information to go into 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:58.509 your annual review. 100 % and that's not to say 00:02:58.509 --> 00:03:02.409 that if there was a problem or a concern or if 00:03:02.409 --> 00:03:04.110 something had changed and you wanted to bring 00:03:04.110 --> 00:03:06.969 that to the team you could have easily called 00:03:06.969 --> 00:03:10.689 a meeting or met in between. But we're assuming 00:03:10.689 --> 00:03:13.310 things are going swimmingly and you're meeting 00:03:13.310 --> 00:03:18.069 at the one you review. So I just wouldn't be 00:03:18.069 --> 00:03:21.270 an Ipoolian if I didn't say no. If you're going 00:03:21.270 --> 00:03:23.729 to if at any point during the year you need to 00:03:23.729 --> 00:03:26.280 call an IEP meeting just do so in writing. Please. 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:29.460 That's all. So again, we're looking at the whole 00:03:29.460 --> 00:03:32.560 picture here. What goals have been met? What 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:35.199 work still needs to be done? Does anything need 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:39.759 to change? And again, parents can request an 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:42.000 IEP meeting at any time. If you feel something 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:44.740 isn't working, you don't have to wait. But you 00:03:44.740 --> 00:03:48.939 can think of the annual review as kind of either 00:03:48.939 --> 00:03:51.780 a pause button or a reset button, because it's 00:03:51.780 --> 00:03:53.659 a chance for the whole team to come together, 00:03:54.379 --> 00:03:57.560 celebrate progress, identify challenges, and 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:00.340 adjust services. And I think we really hit on 00:04:00.340 --> 00:04:03.560 this in the last episode. But adjust services 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:06.400 so that they seem meaningful to your child. Yes. 00:04:06.650 --> 00:04:09.629 Yes. Just because your IEP goal last year was 00:04:09.629 --> 00:04:12.349 to identify shapes doesn't mean that it needs 00:04:12.349 --> 00:04:15.090 to be that same way this year if you've already 00:04:15.090 --> 00:04:17.990 identified shapes last year. Exactly. It's a 00:04:17.990 --> 00:04:20.529 living, breathing, moving, changing document. 00:04:20.629 --> 00:04:23.589 And ideally students are growing and so we should 00:04:23.589 --> 00:04:26.069 be changing goals. Exactly. That's what we want. 00:04:27.129 --> 00:04:30.470 Tell me about some of your one -year review experiences. 00:04:31.310 --> 00:04:35.959 Um, so... Last year specifically it was kind 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:38.800 of a weird one because we were transitioning 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:41.120 between a junior high and a high school setting 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:45.759 and so the one -year review was Even a little 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:48.060 bit more involved than it normally has because 00:04:48.060 --> 00:04:50.699 we've had we had both team members there So we 00:04:50.699 --> 00:04:52.459 had member of the high school team there and 00:04:52.459 --> 00:04:54.379 the junior high team because we were really talking 00:04:54.379 --> 00:04:57.300 of like themes are changing Even though we weren't 00:04:57.300 --> 00:05:00.629 in a in a three -year review lot of our goals 00:05:00.629 --> 00:05:02.629 are gonna change because now we're in high school 00:05:02.629 --> 00:05:05.089 and now we're talking about transition to adulthood 00:05:05.089 --> 00:05:08.430 and now we're in a different space with different 00:05:08.430 --> 00:05:12.269 electives and so we had a little bit more involved 00:05:12.269 --> 00:05:14.790 one -year meeting than before. Our goals didn't 00:05:14.790 --> 00:05:19.740 necessarily change but some of our related services 00:05:19.740 --> 00:05:22.000 and the way that we are using them changed, if 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:24.300 that makes sense? It does because I was actually 00:05:24.300 --> 00:05:27.259 gonna ask you about how does that one year, especially 00:05:27.259 --> 00:05:30.100 when you're talking about a transition from one 00:05:30.100 --> 00:05:33.759 school to another because, just because, let's 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:35.839 just say for example, and again, just an example, 00:05:36.019 --> 00:05:38.519 there's an extended resource room at the middle 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:40.500 school that you're at and you transfer to high 00:05:40.500 --> 00:05:43.000 school, they don't have that extended resource 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:47.709 room anymore. How are we navigating different 00:05:47.709 --> 00:05:50.910 rooms, different teachers, different, oh my. 00:05:51.069 --> 00:05:54.569 Yeah. So in this case, they do have an extended 00:05:54.569 --> 00:05:58.149 resource room. And my son, the rooms themselves 00:05:58.149 --> 00:06:02.329 or the programs switched pretty well. Now minutes 00:06:02.329 --> 00:06:03.970 are a little bit different. High school minutes 00:06:03.970 --> 00:06:06.279 are different than. Oh, because it's a different 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:09.279 length of a day. Oh my, I don't even think about 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:12.480 that. And I didn't either. So all of these things 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:16.259 changed and went into that annual meeting, even 00:06:16.259 --> 00:06:19.699 though it kind of came more like a tri -annual, 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:22.199 but it wasn't. But we were changing minutes. 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:25.910 We were changing... where he was receiving his 00:06:25.910 --> 00:06:29.569 support. Oh really? He received a lot of his 00:06:29.569 --> 00:06:32.829 support in an extended resource room and now 00:06:32.829 --> 00:06:35.990 in high school we have him in other places so 00:06:35.990 --> 00:06:38.970 he's able to go into the choir room or he's able 00:06:38.970 --> 00:06:41.610 to go into the gymnasium from some other support. 00:06:41.949 --> 00:06:45.730 So his service grid changed a lot too. So from 00:06:45.730 --> 00:06:50.810 my perspective this has been the biggest switch 00:06:50.810 --> 00:06:55.819 that we've had. Aside from, I guess, that elementary 00:06:55.819 --> 00:07:00.759 to junior high, not necessarily. The high school 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:03.480 one has been the biggest switch, but now we're 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:07.079 even more so because we're putting in some of 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:09.800 those transition elements too. So, you know, 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:14.180 he has some more work experience that he now 00:07:14.180 --> 00:07:17.319 has built into his day. So where he helps with 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:20.040 the coffee cards and, you know, so they're putting 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:25.769 more of that kind of stuff. So all of that to 00:07:25.769 --> 00:07:28.290 say was, what did you ask me? How was my... I 00:07:28.290 --> 00:07:30.310 think I actually want to pause and go back to 00:07:30.310 --> 00:07:32.589 that coffee cart thing, because I think that's 00:07:32.589 --> 00:07:36.269 a really, really worth talking about as a unique 00:07:36.269 --> 00:07:39.910 way that your son's school has set up a way for 00:07:39.910 --> 00:07:42.870 him to work on his goals. Now, can I ask, is 00:07:42.870 --> 00:07:44.949 that because of his age, like these are transition 00:07:44.949 --> 00:07:47.870 to adulthood goals, or is this because... So 00:07:47.870 --> 00:07:49.529 tell me more about, can I ask about the cart? 00:07:49.810 --> 00:07:54.110 Yeah. Well, so they have this coffee cart. He 00:07:54.110 --> 00:07:57.209 is a greeter, kind of. Oh, my God. I love that. 00:07:57.790 --> 00:08:00.449 And I've said this before. He's a non -speaking, 00:08:00.550 --> 00:08:05.069 non -verbal student, but he has a ton of non 00:08:05.069 --> 00:08:08.930 -verbal communication, whether it's the biggest 00:08:08.930 --> 00:08:12.660 smile or a wave or a... a shriek that's going 00:08:12.660 --> 00:08:16.439 to tell you that he is excited to see you. And 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:19.939 so he also helps push the said coffee cart for 00:08:19.939 --> 00:08:22.259 some of his friends that use mobility devices. 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:26.680 He helps push them. And they take it around their 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:30.319 school. They take it to the faculty lounge. Then 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:33.340 they also have it available for students during 00:08:33.340 --> 00:08:36.659 a passing period. But it is teaching employment 00:08:36.659 --> 00:08:39.100 skills. And that is part of his IEP, part of 00:08:39.100 --> 00:08:42.409 his transition to adulthood. activities, but 00:08:42.409 --> 00:08:44.590 they've implemented it and built it into his 00:08:44.590 --> 00:08:49.750 IEP so that it is fun. He's doing it without 00:08:49.750 --> 00:08:52.070 doing it, right? Think of all the things that 00:08:52.070 --> 00:08:54.889 could be physical therapy, that's occupational 00:08:54.889 --> 00:08:58.990 therapy, that's speech language, that's soft 00:08:58.990 --> 00:09:02.490 skills, that's behavioral intervention. That 00:09:02.490 --> 00:09:05.549 could be so many different service minutes as 00:09:05.549 --> 00:09:09.559 one unique little idea, right? I love that. And 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:13.279 it is using, it's something that all students 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:16.820 can use in terms. So you're getting your peer 00:09:16.820 --> 00:09:18.399 -to -peer. You're getting your peer -to -peer. 00:09:18.620 --> 00:09:23.679 Oh, what a genius idea. I love it because I have 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:26.039 older kiddos that have graduated from this school 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:30.399 that are still friends of my, there's still students 00:09:30.399 --> 00:09:33.240 at this school who know my son. Through his brother. 00:09:33.940 --> 00:09:37.830 Oh, I didn't think about that. My kiddo the other 00:09:37.830 --> 00:09:42.269 day texted me that said his friend saw his brother 00:09:42.269 --> 00:09:49.450 pushing the coffee cart. It ensures that my son 00:09:49.450 --> 00:09:51.710 is still involved in high school just like his 00:09:51.710 --> 00:09:53.769 brother was. Exactly. Just in a different way. 00:09:54.090 --> 00:09:56.350 He's a popular kid now because he hands out coffee. 00:09:56.549 --> 00:09:59.429 He does. That would make you very popular with 00:09:59.429 --> 00:10:04.120 me. Yeah. In terms of step nine of the IEP review, 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:06.720 can I ask you some kind of like what we did in 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:09.519 the last episode? Can I ask you some questions? 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:12.779 So these are real life questions that I've received 00:10:12.779 --> 00:10:16.379 from real life humans and I'm going to make it 00:10:16.379 --> 00:10:22.259 very unidentifiable. So I had a parent who reported 00:10:22.259 --> 00:10:24.960 that they felt nervous about speaking up at an 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:27.899 IEP review, but they know that they need to because 00:10:27.899 --> 00:10:30.340 no one knows their child better than I, better 00:10:30.340 --> 00:10:33.340 than they do. We're the experts. Do you have 00:10:33.340 --> 00:10:37.879 any, what would you say to kind of assuage that 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:41.779 person's anxiety, I guess? Right, because... 00:10:41.389 --> 00:10:44.330 And so I'm assuming this person doesn't have 00:10:44.330 --> 00:10:46.149 the same rapport with their team. They haven't 00:10:46.149 --> 00:10:48.909 been able to build that rapport quite yet. Yeah, 00:10:49.129 --> 00:10:52.210 or even a new team. Your specific situation. 00:10:52.350 --> 00:10:57.090 It's a new team. And so... I know. You're telling 00:10:57.090 --> 00:10:59.049 on me. But actually, my husband and I talked 00:10:59.049 --> 00:11:01.370 about this last night. So I have given her some 00:11:01.370 --> 00:11:08.220 grace. And I am... One thing that has always 00:11:08.220 --> 00:11:10.960 worked really well for me is I've created one 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:15.019 -pagers for my student. Oh, yes! And that is 00:11:15.019 --> 00:11:18.379 something I haven't done this year. And I feel 00:11:18.379 --> 00:11:20.860 like I haven't done my due diligence in sharing 00:11:20.860 --> 00:11:24.679 my son with them. That's an interesting perspective. 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:27.440 Yeah. So I don't think I've done my job as a 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:29.840 parent. And so this weekend, that is what I am 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:32.259 doing. I am creating the one pager. I am going 00:11:32.259 --> 00:11:34.440 to get that delivered to them on Monday. And 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:38.340 then hopefully that opens up some doors. If it 00:11:38.340 --> 00:11:41.500 doesn't, I would say if you know your IEP is 00:11:41.500 --> 00:11:44.259 coming up and you're concerned about speaking 00:11:44.259 --> 00:11:48.200 up, two things I have. One, I would say take 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:51.419 a support person, someone that can help you and 00:11:51.419 --> 00:11:54.100 have those questions written out in advance. 00:11:55.480 --> 00:11:58.460 Or if you don't have a person that could go with 00:11:58.460 --> 00:11:59.840 you, write those questions out ahead of time 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:02.480 and email them. Email them to the team prior 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:04.539 and say, these are questions that I want to talk 00:12:04.539 --> 00:12:06.940 about so that maybe they can have some of the 00:12:06.940 --> 00:12:10.519 answers articulated and they already know you're 00:12:10.519 --> 00:12:14.259 not asking them questions blind, but you hopefully 00:12:14.259 --> 00:12:17.250 will get those responses. and they have some 00:12:17.250 --> 00:12:19.029 time to see the questions in advance and know 00:12:19.029 --> 00:12:22.350 what to expect, which is really a friendly thing 00:12:22.350 --> 00:12:26.090 for you to do for anyone. But can I share something 00:12:26.090 --> 00:12:30.750 that I did which is maybe not the most constructive 00:12:30.750 --> 00:12:34.070 thing to do, but if you are an individual who 00:12:34.070 --> 00:12:38.870 has social anxiety, but needs to ask a tough... 00:12:39.560 --> 00:12:42.500 and you don't want to step on anybody's toes. 00:12:42.759 --> 00:12:46.700 You had your husband do it? I... Kind of. Kind 00:12:46.700 --> 00:12:49.980 of. But I'm more or less... And I, of course, 00:12:49.980 --> 00:12:52.720 I got my husband's... I let him know. I don't 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:54.279 want to say permission, but I let him know I 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:57.460 was going to do this in advance. Blessing. Thank 00:12:57.460 --> 00:13:00.179 you. I got his blessing. Any question that I 00:13:00.179 --> 00:13:03.919 felt was tough, I said, my husband really wanted 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:07.950 me to ask. Great. So I... And it wasn't that 00:13:07.950 --> 00:13:09.830 he didn't want to know because he did want to 00:13:09.830 --> 00:13:13.070 know, but I reframed it to take a little bit. 00:13:13.070 --> 00:13:17.149 And that made it easier for me to ask the question 00:13:17.149 --> 00:13:20.230 because I really needed an answer to it. But 00:13:20.230 --> 00:13:23.750 I made it. It's the classic. So let's say I have 00:13:23.750 --> 00:13:27.350 a friend. No, he wasn't able to attend. He wasn't 00:13:27.350 --> 00:13:31.340 in attendance. So I could say. My husband really 00:13:31.340 --> 00:13:33.179 wanted, and it didn't put him in a spot, it didn't 00:13:33.179 --> 00:13:35.379 put them in a spot, and it certainly didn't put 00:13:35.379 --> 00:13:38.240 me in a spot. And I got the question answered. 00:13:38.419 --> 00:13:40.659 And it just made me, it gave me that little boost 00:13:40.659 --> 00:13:44.379 of confidence. That's a good one. My behavioral 00:13:44.379 --> 00:13:47.720 interventionist wants to know. I mean, it made 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:50.399 it easier to ask the question. Take that for 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:53.620 what it's worth. Exactly. I would say that that 00:13:53.620 --> 00:13:56.850 probably happens. Even though, because I don't, 00:13:56.990 --> 00:13:59.529 our speech therapist would ask me to ask the 00:13:59.529 --> 00:14:04.049 team things. And frankly, it does happen a lot. 00:14:04.870 --> 00:14:06.330 Because a lot of times when we're talking about 00:14:06.330 --> 00:14:09.529 generalizing a skill across different systems, 00:14:11.549 --> 00:14:14.490 your home and community based occupational therapist 00:14:14.490 --> 00:14:15.970 is going to say, can you please ask the team 00:14:15.970 --> 00:14:18.070 what language are you using? Because I want to 00:14:18.070 --> 00:14:20.370 use the same language. If he's spending most 00:14:20.370 --> 00:14:23.070 of his day in this environment, I need to know 00:14:23.070 --> 00:14:25.970 what language you're using. OK, I have one more 00:14:25.970 --> 00:14:27.549 question. I'm going to use that. I'm going to 00:14:27.549 --> 00:14:29.629 steal that. I honestly have done that. I was 00:14:29.629 --> 00:14:32.330 wondering. I've also done that in a health care 00:14:32.330 --> 00:14:34.549 setting. Yeah. I've done that in a health care 00:14:34.549 --> 00:14:36.470 setting. Oh, my husband was really concerned 00:14:36.470 --> 00:14:39.309 about this dose on this medication. I love that. 00:14:39.889 --> 00:14:43.730 And I think Dr. Smith knows that it's me. You 00:14:43.730 --> 00:14:45.549 know our husbands do this as excuses all the 00:14:45.549 --> 00:14:48.149 time. 100%. The least they could allow us to 00:14:48.149 --> 00:14:50.049 do. Allow us, whatever. You know what I mean. 00:14:50.870 --> 00:14:55.039 This is another. It's not a question. It's a 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:57.120 comment. And I wanted to include it because I 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:00.379 think it really rounds out step nine really well. 00:15:00.700 --> 00:15:03.279 We're still in step nine. I know. Wow. This review 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:06.600 feels like a chance to reset, but also a chance 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:09.340 for us as a team to celebrate how far we've come. 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:13.320 And I'm like, thank you. That is such a perfect 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:17.019 way to just sum that up. Can I say that that 00:15:17.019 --> 00:15:19.340 must be a team that is writing a strength -based 00:15:19.340 --> 00:15:22.580 IEP? Amen. I guarantee that is not a deficit 00:15:22.580 --> 00:15:26.820 -based. Go back to season one, season two. It's 00:15:26.820 --> 00:15:28.360 either season one or season two, and we have 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:31.679 a whole episode about strength -based IEPs. And 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:35.159 I'd like to toot my own horn for a second, or 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:37.860 your horn or our horn or the horn. Someone's 00:15:37.860 --> 00:15:42.240 horn pronouns are hard. That is a very well listened 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:44.549 to episode. And that should be. That's one of 00:15:44.549 --> 00:15:47.049 our very first ones. So it's kind of weird when 00:15:47.049 --> 00:15:49.490 you see like the listener numbers on that, because 00:15:49.490 --> 00:15:52.769 it's too old episode. But that strength based 00:15:52.769 --> 00:15:55.690 IEP really resonated with people. As it should. 00:15:56.029 --> 00:15:59.809 Exactly. OK. OK, step 10. So yes, celebrate. 00:16:00.529 --> 00:16:05.409 Celebrate. Celebrate. I like to use this. I like 00:16:05.409 --> 00:16:09.110 to use those IEP meetings because OK, this is 00:16:09.110 --> 00:16:11.669 me on my soapbox. IEP meetings are hard. I like 00:16:11.669 --> 00:16:14.990 to be a team player. if there are things to celebrate. 00:16:15.309 --> 00:16:18.029 Like, my last IEP meeting at the school, I told 00:16:18.029 --> 00:16:19.610 you, was a transition meeting, because we were 00:16:19.610 --> 00:16:23.690 moving to high school. And so I was leaving junior 00:16:23.690 --> 00:16:26.590 high. We had a party. I took chocolates. I took 00:16:26.590 --> 00:16:28.529 cookies. I went by Crumble. That's so sweet. 00:16:28.610 --> 00:16:31.850 This was a team that had really, really grown 00:16:31.850 --> 00:16:35.330 with my kiddo. So I took that as an opportunity 00:16:35.330 --> 00:16:37.590 to celebrate them. And you know what? I think 00:16:37.590 --> 00:16:39.230 that you're going to feel that way about your 00:16:39.230 --> 00:16:41.309 new team in three years. I think so, too. I think 00:16:41.309 --> 00:16:43.419 you're right. Thank you. You're welcome. I hope 00:16:43.419 --> 00:16:46.000 that, I hope I do too. That's my job. They're 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:49.019 a good team, so you're right. Guess what? We 00:16:49.019 --> 00:16:52.059 are on the 10th step. This is the last step of 00:16:52.059 --> 00:16:55.019 special education process. I think that if you 00:16:55.019 --> 00:16:57.080 are a parent and you are at this step or you 00:16:57.080 --> 00:16:59.139 have seen this step before, congratulations, 00:16:59.340 --> 00:17:02.679 you are officially a veteran. You are? You are 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:05.700 a veteran. That means you've been around at least 00:17:05.700 --> 00:17:09.789 three years in this space. And you might be thinking 00:17:09.789 --> 00:17:13.250 to yourself, there is nothing I don't know about 00:17:13.250 --> 00:17:16.450 IEPs, but let me, this triennial evaluation is 00:17:16.450 --> 00:17:18.670 going to be very similar to IEP reviews that 00:17:18.670 --> 00:17:21.609 you have experienced in the past. However, per 00:17:21.609 --> 00:17:26.250 IDEA requirements, we have to check every three 00:17:26.250 --> 00:17:31.029 years to ensure that children still qualify for 00:17:31.029 --> 00:17:34.369 special education services and whether or not 00:17:34.369 --> 00:17:37.849 those needs have changed. So every year, Do we 00:17:37.849 --> 00:17:41.009 talk about it? Do we assess progress monitoring? 00:17:41.470 --> 00:17:43.910 Do we get feedback from paraprofessionals and 00:17:43.910 --> 00:17:47.170 therapists? Yes. But every year we do not do 00:17:47.170 --> 00:17:50.269 the full battery of assessments again. But we 00:17:50.269 --> 00:17:55.210 do do it. We do do every three years. So the 00:17:55.210 --> 00:17:58.190 evaluation is going to include everything and 00:17:58.190 --> 00:18:00.970 potentially more that it included the first time. 00:18:01.549 --> 00:18:04.549 So academic testing, classroom observations, 00:18:05.069 --> 00:18:07.529 input from the parents, input from community 00:18:07.529 --> 00:18:13.349 providers. And sometimes teams may determine 00:18:13.349 --> 00:18:17.329 that testing is not necessary. Yes. But I would 00:18:17.329 --> 00:18:21.089 say almost always you get new assessments. Almost 00:18:21.089 --> 00:18:26.009 always. I have had So my son has a chromosomal 00:18:26.009 --> 00:18:31.450 deletion. So I have had times where we don't 00:18:31.450 --> 00:18:35.210 necessarily need to reassess. No, academic, yeah. 00:18:35.509 --> 00:18:38.269 Cognitive, yes. But like a mobility, we don't 00:18:38.269 --> 00:18:40.890 need to reassess every three years or even a 00:18:40.890 --> 00:18:42.769 vision assessment every three years. Yeah, because 00:18:42.769 --> 00:18:45.269 he's still going to have some of those same visions. 00:18:47.170 --> 00:18:49.730 Those supports still stay in there, but we haven't 00:18:49.730 --> 00:18:52.430 necessarily need to gone through the whole battery 00:18:52.430 --> 00:18:55.410 of Assessments every three years, but those main 00:18:55.410 --> 00:18:59.509 ones. Yes Yes, and you want that. Oh, yeah, I 00:18:59.509 --> 00:19:03.450 think you want that. Yes, and sometimes families 00:19:03.450 --> 00:19:07.049 get a little nervous that What if this shows 00:19:07.049 --> 00:19:10.789 that? My students don't need the same level of 00:19:10.789 --> 00:19:14.849 support. Okay, okay. I've had many families called 00:19:14.849 --> 00:19:17.450 nervous, like can I request that they don't do 00:19:17.450 --> 00:19:19.630 assessments because what if they say they're 00:19:19.630 --> 00:19:22.009 never heard this before. Oh wow. They're eligible 00:19:22.009 --> 00:19:25.509 for special education and I say... Hallelujah, 00:19:25.630 --> 00:19:29.349 then that's what we want. We have got this student, 00:19:29.849 --> 00:19:33.569 you know, these intense supports through an individualized 00:19:33.569 --> 00:19:36.990 education plan or program have got the student 00:19:36.990 --> 00:19:39.130 to where they need to be caught up to their gen 00:19:39.130 --> 00:19:41.430 ed peers. The system works. The system works. 00:19:41.690 --> 00:19:44.829 And we're celebrating. And now maybe we can just 00:19:44.829 --> 00:19:49.049 use a 504 to help them maybe still have some 00:19:49.049 --> 00:19:54.619 access issues. accessing their education is different 00:19:54.619 --> 00:19:57.019 than needing modifications to their education. 00:19:57.380 --> 00:19:59.539 And that's what we always want is for our students 00:19:59.539 --> 00:20:02.339 to be on par with their typical peers. Yeah, 00:20:02.500 --> 00:20:05.099 maybe you're maybe you're back in the typical 00:20:05.099 --> 00:20:08.150 general education math class. But in order to 00:20:08.150 --> 00:20:10.029 make it accessible to you, you just have a little 00:20:10.029 --> 00:20:11.890 bit less homework. Yeah. Because your homework 00:20:11.890 --> 00:20:14.670 takes you longer, but you could still do it academically. 00:20:14.750 --> 00:20:18.769 You are still able to focus and say and comprehend 00:20:18.769 --> 00:20:21.569 the math concepts, but you just have less homework. 00:20:21.730 --> 00:20:23.990 And so maybe that means that all of these years 00:20:23.990 --> 00:20:26.509 of special education has got your student caught 00:20:26.509 --> 00:20:28.970 up to where they need to be. And so I can see 00:20:28.970 --> 00:20:32.430 where parents are really nervous that a three 00:20:32.430 --> 00:20:34.609 year assessment might show that they're no longer 00:20:34.609 --> 00:20:36.589 eligible. But I say let's celebrate that. and 00:20:36.589 --> 00:20:38.250 that's a really good thing that the supports 00:20:38.250 --> 00:20:41.910 worked. And the three -year evaluation is a really 00:20:41.910 --> 00:20:46.809 important milestone. It's a check the checker. 00:20:46.849 --> 00:20:50.009 How is the system working? So those assessments 00:20:50.009 --> 00:20:52.170 really are kind of the final check the checker, 00:20:52.250 --> 00:20:54.509 because every year we review, but then that three 00:20:54.509 --> 00:20:56.890 years we're really going to make sure. That's 00:20:56.890 --> 00:21:01.930 a good, yeah. I didn't realize what the triennial 00:21:01.930 --> 00:21:04.609 evaluation was, honestly, until I started working 00:21:04.609 --> 00:21:06.970 here at iPoll. I was like, what's the difference 00:21:06.970 --> 00:21:10.109 from a yearly review in this? And it really is 00:21:10.109 --> 00:21:11.809 only the assessments. And to me, I was like, 00:21:11.890 --> 00:21:14.910 oh, thank goodness, because I genuinely believed 00:21:14.910 --> 00:21:17.890 that it was a one and done type thing. And I 00:21:17.890 --> 00:21:21.549 was like, but what if we need some proof that 00:21:21.549 --> 00:21:25.759 this isn't working? or proof that this is working. 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:27.380 I'm like, how do they determine? And you're like, 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:29.400 well, the triennial evaluation. And I'm like, 00:21:29.579 --> 00:21:32.039 the Holladahubi wedding. What? The three year. 00:21:32.380 --> 00:21:33.980 So now this - Call that a three year. It makes 00:21:33.980 --> 00:21:39.819 me feel a lot better. So here are some questions 00:21:39.819 --> 00:21:43.339 I've gotten. OK. Every three years, that sounds 00:21:43.339 --> 00:21:45.799 like forever. What if I need an assessment more 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:48.799 often? You can request it. Exactly. Yep. Put 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:51.839 it in writing and request it. There have been 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:57.500 I've needed to do that several times. Usually, 00:21:57.819 --> 00:22:00.180 it's for functional behavior assessments in our 00:22:00.180 --> 00:22:04.400 case. Oh, yes. So, oops, we have a new behavior. 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:07.279 We need to do a new assessment. And functional 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:09.380 behavior assessments are really, really common 00:22:09.380 --> 00:22:13.440 assessments to be done sometimes multiple times 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:18.079 a year. Yeah, three years does seem a long ways 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:20.099 in advance, but if you get a new diagnosis or 00:22:20.099 --> 00:22:22.460 you see something new pop up, you can always 00:22:22.460 --> 00:22:25.980 ask for assessments. It's like an IEP is always 00:22:25.980 --> 00:22:28.259 a fluid document. The assessments kind of are 00:22:28.259 --> 00:22:32.220 too. Now a school can say, well, we don't think 00:22:32.220 --> 00:22:34.500 that, we don't see that and we don't think that 00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:36.660 at this point we need to move forward with that 00:22:36.660 --> 00:22:40.299 assessment. But that's a conversation and a process. 00:22:40.619 --> 00:22:43.539 And schools are more likely to say yes if it's 00:22:43.539 --> 00:22:48.319 been. a year or more. I don't think that a lot 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:50.380 of timeschoolers are going to say yes if you 00:22:50.380 --> 00:22:53.200 know every quarter or every semester you're like 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:56.140 oh I think now this is a problem. They're going 00:22:56.140 --> 00:23:00.180 to want to because in some cases you really do 00:23:00.180 --> 00:23:03.660 need time to see if the other goals work. Yeah 00:23:03.660 --> 00:23:08.380 and in some cases you can't physically Do another 00:23:08.380 --> 00:23:10.460 assessment because it hasn't been long enough. 00:23:10.460 --> 00:23:14.259 Like we can put some we can't put students through 00:23:14.259 --> 00:23:17.140 academic and cognitive assessments more than 00:23:17.140 --> 00:23:20.779 once a year like These things shouldn't be happening 00:23:20.779 --> 00:23:22.940 and then you're taking away from the time that 00:23:22.940 --> 00:23:25.200 you would otherwise be using to work on your 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:28.500 academic goals So if that's why again, it really 00:23:28.500 --> 00:23:31.900 becomes a conversation between the team and I 00:23:31.900 --> 00:23:36.099 would say just from an educator's point of view, 00:23:36.140 --> 00:23:38.779 sometimes they will come, I've had my son's teacher 00:23:38.779 --> 00:23:42.160 come to me and say, ask for consent. I think 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:46.079 we could benefit from conducting X assessment 00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:49.519 right now because of this. So there are also 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:53.119 times where your teacher will come and outside 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:56.440 of those three year review and ask for an updated 00:23:56.440 --> 00:23:58.839 assessment too, if they're seeing something. 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:05.349 And another, sorry, yes. Yes. Another question 00:24:05.349 --> 00:24:07.369 that I had, and I think we already talked about 00:24:07.369 --> 00:24:10.109 this, too, is, and this is, I'll tell you exactly 00:24:10.109 --> 00:24:12.390 what I said right afterwards to you, was, does 00:24:12.390 --> 00:24:15.549 this mean my child could lose services? And I 00:24:15.549 --> 00:24:18.170 said yes, but it also means that your child could 00:24:18.170 --> 00:24:22.410 gain services. And you're never gonna know unless 00:24:22.410 --> 00:24:26.589 you do it. And if, let's just play it out, let's 00:24:26.589 --> 00:24:30.390 pretend, the team says, you know what? We've 00:24:30.390 --> 00:24:32.769 found that Marcus really isn't eligible for special 00:24:32.769 --> 00:24:35.569 education services anymore. You still have dispute 00:24:35.569 --> 00:24:37.869 resolution options. That doesn't mean that the 00:24:37.869 --> 00:24:40.589 door is closed and locked and bolted. No, not 00:24:40.589 --> 00:24:42.809 at all. Yeah, you're exactly right. At the end 00:24:42.809 --> 00:24:45.710 of the day, none of these are set in stone. There's 00:24:45.710 --> 00:24:48.509 dispute resolution options. So don't let the 00:24:48.509 --> 00:24:51.529 thought of a triennial evaluation scare you kind 00:24:51.529 --> 00:24:54.490 of that much. There are still other things that 00:24:54.490 --> 00:24:58.500 you can do. And then I heard this last little 00:24:58.500 --> 00:25:00.519 bit and I thought it was a really good way to 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:06.240 round out step 10, which is I'm actually really 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:08.720 glad that they check in every few years because 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:11.519 my daughter's needs now look really different 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:14.180 than they did when she was in kindergarten. Yes, 00:25:14.500 --> 00:25:17.539 which is such a good way to look at it cuz yeah, 00:25:17.660 --> 00:25:20.480 it's easy for I'm just gonna use you as an example, 00:25:20.579 --> 00:25:23.400 right? It's easy for you to be like, oh, you 00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:26.359 know, there's not wasn't a huge change from 12 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:29.980 to 15. Yeah, let's just pretend I've seen the 00:25:29.980 --> 00:25:31.720 same in the skills But then when you think of 00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:34.420 like it between kindergarten and third grade 00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:37.859 The growth that you see in that time is that's 00:25:37.859 --> 00:25:41.680 wild. Huge. And I literally said to this parent, 00:25:41.700 --> 00:25:43.400 I was like, thank you so much for giving me that 00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:45.519 perspective, because a lot of times, you know, 00:25:45.619 --> 00:25:47.079 especially when we're talking about triennial 00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:49.019 evaluations, a lot of times we're talking to 00:25:49.019 --> 00:25:52.539 older kids and not someone who's entering third 00:25:52.539 --> 00:25:54.839 grade. And I'm like, that's such a good because 00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:58.519 she's like my my daughter. And again, I'm saying 00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:00.279 this without giving away any information, but 00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:01.920 she was just saying, you know, like her daughter 00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:04.829 came into kindergarten. And she was really worried 00:26:04.829 --> 00:26:07.049 about her. But then when her daughter was entering 00:26:07.049 --> 00:26:09.670 third grade, the confidence that her daughter 00:26:09.670 --> 00:26:12.410 had and the progress that her daughter had made, 00:26:12.450 --> 00:26:15.170 it was just like, she's like, I'm so glad they're... 00:26:15.170 --> 00:26:17.210 Because we need new assessments. We need new 00:26:17.210 --> 00:26:19.390 assessments at that point. Because the level 00:26:19.390 --> 00:26:22.369 of... At that point, she may not have been in 00:26:22.369 --> 00:26:24.490 her least restrictive environment, sounds like, 00:26:24.750 --> 00:26:28.849 right? Exactly. She may be stifled. And so in 00:26:28.849 --> 00:26:33.079 that case, if mom saw that, at two years... Mom 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:36.839 could even say, hey, listen, could we go back 00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:39.160 to the drawing board? And that's maybe potentially, 00:26:39.579 --> 00:26:42.240 like we say, all scenarios, all situations are 00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:45.940 different. But that's why in some cases, at a 00:26:45.940 --> 00:26:48.980 triennial evaluation, they may opt to not do 00:26:48.980 --> 00:26:52.500 so much testing is because at the second year, 00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:55.839 they had done some testing. So that's just another. 00:26:56.200 --> 00:27:00.140 And that is exactly what happened. to my son, 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:04.019 we came out of developmental preschool into kindergarten. 00:27:04.259 --> 00:27:09.039 And then at first grade, then we did his three 00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:11.980 year. And then it was like third, first to fourth 00:27:11.980 --> 00:27:15.960 grade. He was growing and he started, like there 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.000 were so many things that were happening that 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:20.220 we had to go back to the drawing board and do 00:27:20.220 --> 00:27:22.539 updated assessments. So that then when we got 00:27:22.539 --> 00:27:25.259 to a year and a half later, our three year reval 00:27:25.259 --> 00:27:28.710 was just kind of cake, cake. Because we'd already 00:27:28.710 --> 00:27:30.509 done it. Who doesn't want that? Who doesn't want 00:27:30.509 --> 00:27:35.190 an easy IEP meeting? Right. Girl, do it, lady. 00:27:35.569 --> 00:27:39.930 Do it. Do it, lady. Isn't that the... No, that's 00:27:39.930 --> 00:27:43.609 Chit. Yeah, Chit. Do it, lady. J. Renshaw, I 00:27:43.609 --> 00:27:46.910 think. We should do that. We should bring our 00:27:46.910 --> 00:27:49.329 favorite TikToks or something. Do it, lady. Here 00:27:49.329 --> 00:27:52.410 we go. That's the next bring your topic. That's 00:27:52.410 --> 00:27:56.430 my next idea. I pull. Okay, so what can you do 00:27:56.430 --> 00:27:59.980 today? I think if I was preparing for a triennial 00:27:59.980 --> 00:28:02.599 evaluation, I would bring out that big ol IEP 00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:06.500 binder. I would have things reviewed and flagged. 00:28:06.500 --> 00:28:09.680 I would have progress reports ready. I would 00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:12.500 definitely request that if I didn't have it. 00:28:13.420 --> 00:28:15.859 Some schools also have, what is it, Ed Plan. 00:28:16.980 --> 00:28:19.220 So you may be able to access that information 00:28:19.220 --> 00:28:21.539 electronically. Some school districts are not 00:28:21.539 --> 00:28:23.799 participating in that. If you are a school district 00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:25.759 that is not participating, that's when I would 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:30.680 go and request copies of that. Yeah. I would 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:32.680 also start kind of reaching out to the home and 00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:34.980 community based providers and get do they have 00:28:34.980 --> 00:28:38.200 any input that they want to share? Yes. You know 00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:41.900 like there are people outside of the education 00:28:41.900 --> 00:28:44.380 space that can still offer some really good perspectives 00:28:44.380 --> 00:28:46.539 for our kids. Schedule someone to come with you. 00:28:47.019 --> 00:28:49.420 Yeah exactly not us I'm sorry we can't there's 00:28:49.420 --> 00:28:51.980 only three of us we can't go statewide but do 00:28:51.980 --> 00:28:55.700 you have a CSW? Yeah I do. I mean they can speak 00:28:55.700 --> 00:28:59.470 to how The disability affects the child. So number 00:28:59.470 --> 00:29:02.089 one, mark your calendar. Make sure you're there. 00:29:02.430 --> 00:29:05.269 Make sure you're prepared that it could, it's 00:29:05.269 --> 00:29:08.410 not that it could be, it's that it will be a 00:29:08.410 --> 00:29:11.309 longer meeting than what you're used to. Because 00:29:11.309 --> 00:29:14.390 you're going through everything. Make sure that 00:29:14.390 --> 00:29:17.930 it's scheduled at a time where, obviously that 00:29:17.930 --> 00:29:20.250 it's mutually exclusive, I don't know what the 00:29:20.250 --> 00:29:23.029 heck I'm going on about, that it works for everybody. 00:29:23.730 --> 00:29:27.190 But that you know that you will be able, and 00:29:27.190 --> 00:29:29.329 also start having that conversation about can 00:29:29.329 --> 00:29:30.890 your child be included. Thank you, that's what 00:29:30.890 --> 00:29:32.430 I was gonna say. Sorry, I don't want to take 00:29:32.430 --> 00:29:34.009 your time. No, you're good. Make that space. 00:29:34.130 --> 00:29:36.670 And even if it's just at the very beginning or 00:29:36.670 --> 00:29:39.670 the very end or a picture of your student, because 00:29:39.670 --> 00:29:41.930 at the end of the day, that's why we exist. That's 00:29:41.930 --> 00:29:44.650 why an IEP team is there, is for your student. 00:29:45.390 --> 00:29:48.480 So don't lose eye to that. And that's it. You've 00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:53.359 done it. You are officially an IEP special education 00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:57.519 system veteran. And if you have any questions, 00:29:58.059 --> 00:30:00.519 you could be on step one. You could be on step 00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:04.619 10. We're gonna have some answers. Or at least 00:30:04.619 --> 00:30:08.140 some funny one -liners. Maybe, yeah. If you don't 00:30:08.140 --> 00:30:11.460 wanna call me to have me help answer your questions, 00:30:11.460 --> 00:30:14.279 you could call me for my comedy. I could sing 00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:16.880 Pink Pony. If you don't wanna call me, you call 00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:20.009 her. Exactly. And I will say this, because I 00:30:20.009 --> 00:30:21.869 love to tell people this. I tell professionals 00:30:21.869 --> 00:30:25.009 this. I tell everybody this. I'm like, my favorite 00:30:25.009 --> 00:30:28.130 thing about iPol, hands down my favorite thing, 00:30:28.609 --> 00:30:30.930 is that when you call, are you scared? Is that 00:30:30.930 --> 00:30:32.910 what you said? I am. This is literally my favorite 00:30:32.910 --> 00:30:34.900 thing. I'm not even playing around. When you 00:30:34.900 --> 00:30:37.900 call iPoll and you might get assigned to Sarah 00:30:37.900 --> 00:30:40.920 or Melissa or Allison, but you're literally getting 00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:43.160 the hive mind. You are getting the resources 00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:47.960 of every single person that works here who had 00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:50.660 kids in developmental preschool, kids in elementary 00:30:50.660 --> 00:30:52.559 school, kids in high school. Like we have done 00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:55.720 and seen and heard. everything, and you're getting 00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:58.460 all of us. And if I don't know it, I'm walking 00:30:58.460 --> 00:31:00.059 out of my office and I'm gonna be like, come 00:31:00.059 --> 00:31:03.240 on guys, help now. Exactly. You are getting the 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:05.400 hive mind to your right. You really are getting 00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:09.200 the best of what our brain cells can rub together 00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:11.700 for you. You're welcome, because that's what 00:31:11.700 --> 00:31:24.940 you deserve. You did it, you made it. Thank you 00:31:24.940 --> 00:31:27.619 so much everyone out there for listening in and 00:31:27.619 --> 00:31:30.839 know that if you are in Idaho or Planning on 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.000 moving to Idaho and have questions on systems 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.460 or services for children with disabilities Please 00:31:37.460 --> 00:31:40.220 consider reaching out to us on our website at 00:31:40.220 --> 00:31:47.119 I pull Idaho. That's ipulidaho .org or by calling 00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:52.640 us at 208 -342 -5884 Be sure to tune in next 00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:56.859 time. Until then, this has been Unlimited Parenting. 00:31:57.660 --> 00:31:58.700 Thanks for listening!