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Well, welcome everybody to a special episode of Unlimited Parenting.

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I am thrilled to have not one, but two incredible guests from Delta Dental with us today to

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dive into the world of dental health.

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And together we're going to help answer some common questions families have and give them

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some tips they may not have known.

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So welcome to both Cammie and Heather and I will hold the floor for you to introduce

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yourselves.

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Cammie, can we start with you?

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Hello, I'm Cammie Sinden and I am the manager of Community Outreach Direct Programming

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at Delta Dental of Idaho.

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Thank you, Heather.

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Thank you so much.

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It's great to be here.

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My name is Heather Brown.

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I am the senior director of oral health and community outreach and I get to work with

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Cammie and a big fun team and we get to do a lot of cool things in the state.

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So thanks for having me.

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Yeah, thank you guys for lending your time and your expertise for Idaho families today.

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I know that you guys have some really great initiatives and I just want to make sure that

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everyone in our audience knows about them and how to access them.

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So I was hoping we could get started by answering the question, what is the importance of oral

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health to children?

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Out of all of the other things parents have to do for their kids, well child checks, therapies,

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what is the importance of oral health?

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The mouth is connected to the body.

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It's so important that everyone understands that.

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Good oral health habits formed in childhood lay the foundation for lifelong health, prevent

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painful dental issues and reduce the risk of health conditions related to poor oral

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health, poor hygiene, dental decay, infections, gum disease, gingivitis, things like that.

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Educating kids early on empowers them to take responsibility for their own health but it

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helps them understand that caring for their teeth is important just like caring for their

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whole body is important.

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And I think that you make a really good point, something to highlight there is that when

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we talk about a community of children with special health care needs, an infection even

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in something like the teeth is something we very much want to stay away from.

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So do you have any tips and tricks on how we can instill strong oral health in children?

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I know you talk about kind of making it a habit.

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Is there anything else you would tell families?

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Letting the parents duplicate, right?

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Replicate what the parents are doing, showing the kids, waking up every day, rushing with

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them, doing it next to them so they see their parents doing it and it just becomes a habit.

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They know it's something they need to do.

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They do it in the morning before they go to work, go to school, same thing at night, making

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it a routine.

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They see their parents doing it, then they know they need to do it.

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And then just a kind reminder, of course.

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Even I need some of those, right?

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Reminder, brush your teeth.

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That's what assistive technology is for, right?

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Can I pivot a little bit and ask what community initiatives that Delta Dental has around Idaho

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right now?

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Sure.

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We have many different programs.

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We have the Grins on the Go, which is a mobile dental clinic, and we go into the schools

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to provide free sealants and fluoride and education.

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And that's a great way to reach the children, bringing services to the children.

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Parents don't have to take off work to pull their children out of school, drive to the

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dentist, get them taken care of.

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And we bring those services to them.

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So that's a great program.

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We see so many kids.

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We're in over 220 schools in all over Idaho.

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So that's one of our great programs that's really helping.

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Another program we have is the Land of Smiles program, which is a virtual video kids can

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watch.

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It's fun.

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It's got superheroes, characters, but it teaches the importance of oral hygiene, how to brush

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and floss and avoid sugary drinks and have a healthy diet.

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It's a fun way for the kids to learn.

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And then we also, there's a pre and post test that they can take so we can ensure that the

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kids are learning from that program as well.

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If my school is not a part of that program, is that something I could ask my school to

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ask about?

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Absolutely.

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So the Grins on the Go, we do target the lower income schools.

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So we do use the free and reduced food lunch report to determine if they're 50% or greater.

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They qualify for Grins on the Go for the free dental services.

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But for the Land of Smiles, all schools qualify.

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They just need to reach out if they're interested in having the educational program.

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Fantastic.

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And these are statewide, correct?

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Not just in Treasure Valley?

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Correct.

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Wow, that's great.

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Yeah.

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And then we also do a lot of health fairs, community events.

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We go to food banks, Salvation Armies.

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We pop up everywhere to provide day clinics where we're providing screenings.

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And we usually will see everybody at those.

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We'll see their parents, the kids.

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So we have a lot of different, we're just not scheduled, but we do have a lot of different

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events that we attend as well on top of those programs.

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Yeah.

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And I'd like to add that we also have a Rethink Your Dream program.

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And those are in schools.

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And what it is basically, a school can apply for a grant to have a water bottle filling

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station installed in their school.

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And around the water bottle filling station, we provide water bottles for everyone at the

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school.

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There's lessons and teachings and stuff to help children kind of decide between a sugary

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beverage and a water beverage.

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And so that's been a very, very successful program.

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And those grants and those water bottle filling stations can be basically applied for by any

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school.

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We initially started out with lower income schools, but we have grown the program and

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it has been extremely successful as Kami's program has as well.

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So that's been a great add on.

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I think we've done it for a couple of years now.

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Wow.

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I definitely want to encourage my school to get access to that.

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More specifically, can I ask in what ways Delta Dental of Idaho has provided support

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to the special needs community?

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I'll take that one.

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And I'm really proud to report that a couple of years ago, there's a federally qualified

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health center called Family Health Services.

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It's in Jerome.

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It's chaired or the cheerleader and the dentist in that community asks for some funding to

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actually build a special needs clinic attached to the federally qualified health center and

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it's called Your Healthy Smiles.

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So her name is Dr. Brooke.

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We not only funded building the clinic and I'm saying like, you know, tactile rooms,

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but kind of wow, a different place for these folks to be able to be treated well and professionally.

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And one of the things we did actually add on to that build was a special compact wheelchair

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recliner that I think there's like two in the whole state of Idaho and we, Delta Dental

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of Idaho funded both of those.

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But this wheelchair chair actually can hold either a electronic wheelchair or a powered

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wheelchair or, you know, regular wheelchair and you just, the wheelchair just kind of

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goes back into the chair.

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The patient doesn't have to get out of the wheelchair.

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It tips back the way it's supposed to.

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It makes having treatment done for the patient much, much more comfortable, but also the

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provider.

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And so Dr. Brooke, who uses this in her clinic, she is able to treat people that she was not

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able to treat in a comfortable or respectful manner.

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I know that sounds weird, but like I actually, she actually sent me pictures one day and

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there was a patient sitting on a bench and she was like on the bench, like try to pull,

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I don't know, a tooth or something like that.

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It was just, that's because they don't have the equipment they need.

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So we also bought one for Terry Riley Health Center, which is down here in Boise and they

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use it a lot.

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And so it's a very special chair.

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They're not, they're not inexpensive.

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Unfortunately, I wish everybody could have one, but it's something that we felt was really

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important for this community.

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And people literally will drive three or four hours to go to Dr. Brooke's clinic.

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So that's what I was thinking is that that's where they are.

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That's where I would want to drive to receive that service.

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Absolutely.

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And not only that, she's just amazing dentist anyway.

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So she loves this population.

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So you're going to get great treatment from her, but also any place that has one of these

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chairs or wants it, you know, that's, that's really for them to decide.

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And it's, it's just good all around.

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Do you think that it would be fair to say that without access to a chair like that,

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some of, some of our kids may have needed, you know, sedated dentistry in a hospital

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to receive that kind of service.

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And with this chair, now they can access that same level in the community clinic.

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I think that's a possibility.

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I think sometimes, or what I know is that a lot of times the children that are going

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into the OR and being put under, it depends on their case, you know, like do they have

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to have their whole mouth restored?

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That might be a reason for going under anesthesia.

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If it's something less than that, they just can't get comfortable or whatever.

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I mean, this chair could definitely be a help there.

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Or it's at least a start to see if the child or the grownup can manage themselves while

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in the chair.

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So yeah, but I think it's case dependent really.

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Is there, can we expect in the future potentially any more chairs like that?

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Is that part of the community initiative or is it just this was, we saw a need in this

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one particular community and we had the ability to make that, to grant that wish at that time.

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Yeah, to make that happen.

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Honestly, that's kind of how it panned out, but I can tell you that Delta Dental of Idaho,

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I think it's in its, we've done this about a year and a half now.

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Delta Dental of Idaho Community Outreach has a grant program and this is the money that

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we offer grants twice a year.

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We do one in a grant cycle in April.

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We do one in November or October.

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It just closed for this year, but any entity that is interested in purchasing something

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and doesn't have the money or has half and wants to apply for a grant for the other half,

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we're always interested in helping other entities get what they need.

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So yeah, it's something that we provide grant, we can provide grant money for.

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And the grant process is pretty simple.

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It's not a federal grant, like 25 pages or anything like that.

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So yeah, if there's somebody out there that's interested, we're happy to take a look at

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Yeah, that's great.

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That's good information to know.

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For parents of children with sensory needs or dental anxiety, these visits are really

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extra challenging.

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Do you know, does Delta Dental support any kind of specialized training for providers

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to make dental visits smoother?

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Well, it depends on the go.

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For our programming, and I should mention both Heather and I are hygienists as well,

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we do have training for sensory issues and just, you know, each child's a little different

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no matter who the child is, just how we're working with them.

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So we are trained in working with different issues so that we can accommodate what that

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child is needing a lot.

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There are some programs for the dental community to do some training as well.

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And I would encourage everyone to go out and get that training because each child's a little

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bit different.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And I think that that takes a lot of weight off of the parents when they're considering

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what dental clinic to take their child, knowing that maybe if they are with Delta Dental,

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they might have a little bit of extra knowledge and know-how.

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And I might be more inclined to take my child there if I know that they are going to be

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very calm and receptive because if it's one thing that parents of children with disabilities

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know is sometimes that providers can lose their patience a little bit.

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So I appreciate that.

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Yeah.

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And one thing we've had, we actually had a mom call and thank us.

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We do the special needs classes as well at the schools.

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And we had a little boy.

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Yes, we make sure that we get into the special needs classes.

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All of our hygienists and assistants are moms.

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We work really well with the kids plus our special training.

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But we did have a little boy, an autistic boy, and we were able to get on all of his

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sealants and the mom just called us just thrilled saying that she's never been able to get him

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even in the chair at the dental office.

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And it took some coaxing.

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We did have to, you know, he came the first day.

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We are usually at the school for a few days.

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He came in the first day and was like, no, no.

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And then the next day, his special ed teacher brought him back in and it warmed up to us,

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sat in the chair, opened up, let us do everything.

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We've had quite a few.

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We had another girl, same thing in middle school.

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She's like, nope.

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And she kind of let us have it.

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And then the next day is so the issue was she needed to know what was going on.

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So then we scheduled her, had it on her schedule.

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She knew she was coming the next day and came back, hopped in the chair and we were just

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the best thing ever.

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And she let us do, we were able to get 16 sealants on her.

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We were able to seal her premolars as well.

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And it's amazing that she was in junior high and they were still, you were still able to

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put the sealants on all of her teeth and no decay.

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So that was awesome.

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But we've had some great success stories and it's really, we have the time with what we

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do and sometimes dental offices don't always have that luxury.

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They have a schedule and patients waiting where we can take the time, work with them.

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We don't have to have a strict schedule where we can just stay with that same kid for and

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give them the extra time needed or let them come watch as long as it's okay with the other

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child, let them watch for a little bit and see what we're doing and then maybe come back

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the next day.

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I do appreciate that we don't have to be on such a tight schedule so we can work with

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the kids and let them ease into it so that we can place sealants or even if it's just

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a fluoride treatment, you know, and they've never been able to have that, you know, the

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sensory issues, they don't like things in their mouth.

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So if we can get to that or even sometimes they'll let us get in there with a toothbrush

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and just brush and just ease them into that treatment.

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It's just, it makes us all super happy when we see that progress.

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Yeah, that's fantastic.

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And as a parent myself of three children with disabilities, hearing kind of those success

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stories makes me very much feel relaxed and more likely to want to make that my one thing

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that we need to push for out of all the sea of other things that we have as parents to

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take care of and do.

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This is one of those things that kind of relieves some anxiety so that I can make sure that

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that becomes a priority.

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Kind of in that same vein, can I ask what are some specific like dental services or

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accommodations that maybe parents could ask for when they come in to see if they need

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extra support for a visit?

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If I'm going to Grins on the go, is there anything, any language that I could use to

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help ask for things or let a provider know that maybe my child would need some extra

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supports?

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Especially when you let them know, hey, they have some sensory issues.

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We have some different toys that children hold, sensory toys, you know, where they can

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pop things with their fingers and they'll lay back in the chair and hold those.

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And just being aware of what they like.

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You know, sometimes we may think we're comforting by rubbing their arm and that is not a comfort

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for some kids.

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So just being aware and communicating with your provider and anything.

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We have online slips and we have paper slips and we always, we have a section where it

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says, please let us know, is there something we need to know about your child?

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Always just communicate that if there's something that you know, don't do this, whether you're

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at the dentist or filling out a slip for a school program, just communicate that.

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And every providers just want to do right by everybody.

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So if they have that information right up front, it's, it's going to help out.

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Parents know their kids better than anyone.

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And sometimes some of our training isn't always correct.

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We may think we're helping when we're making the child more anxious.

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Wow.

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Thank you.

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I appreciate that.

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And we've actually had parents come, they've called and said, may I be there?

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And of course for us, that's not a problem.

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We just ask that they call the school, make sure that's not going to be an issue.

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But in the past, they've always coordinated if the parent has wanted to be there and they

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will just, you know, we'll make sure we pull the kid at a certain time when they're there

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and they can be back there if they think that that would help their child.

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Sometimes it does, sometimes it makes it worse.

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So but that's truly really accommodating and really trying to meet the needs of the child

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where they are.

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I mean, not only are we talking about a service that's not at a dental office, you're making

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it more convenient for everybody.

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And then allowing a lot of flexibility just makes it just seals the deal for me.

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I will definitely be looking into that.

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I think for the last question that I have is what would you say is the single most important

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piece of advice that you could give to families from your perspective on dental health?

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Good oral hygiene, educating your kids on the importance of good oral hygiene, living

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it yourself, actually waking up and brushing and flossing and demonstrating that for your

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child, choosing water over the sugary beverages, not saying you can't ever have that if you're

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going to choose that, have it with a meal, but definitely drinking water throughout the

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day and choosing a lower sugar diet as well, not just those drinks and regular visits,

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just bringing, going to the dentist, living it for your child and bringing your child

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going in every six months, doing the preventive services so that you don't get to the point

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where you have a lot of decay and issues where you're having to be numb and go through the

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treatment, that's what scares the kids.

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And definitely don't think it's funny to tease their kids about getting numb, things like

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that.

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We run into so many parents that think it's so funny to say they're going to get a big

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shot.

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Don't use those words.

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We have different words that we use.

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Of course, we don't give anyone numb with the Grand Theumago program, but we have different

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words that we use.

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We explain everything to the children, but we don't show them scary things, just tell

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them what it's going to feel like.

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So there's no surprises, but we don't have to use needle-angle shots.

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That's really helpful to know because sometimes as an adult, I want to prepare my child for

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every eventuality when you guys are the experts in that and have it under control and I can

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just kind of trust the process.

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Yeah, so instead of an injection with a needle, we'll say a cold sprayer.

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And I explain exactly what it is.

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It's a cold sprayer.

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It's going to feel very cold.

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It feels tight.

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You feel like a little pinch.

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It feels really tight and then it feels really, really cold.

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And then your lip starts to feel really fat and funny.

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Kids hear that and they're like, okay, it's going to feel tight.

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It's going to feel pinched.

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There's that.

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It's amazing.

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I worked in a pediatric office for years and that's all I did was numb up kids all day long

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for treatment.

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And I don't know that I really had a failure.

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You tell the kids what they're going to feel and it's not a surprise.

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They understand it.

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But if the parent has been there telling them how they're going to get a big needle, they're

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just done.

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They're done before they even get in the chair.

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So yeah, it's not funny.

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It's not funny to tell your kids those things.

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Just let us get in there and tell them what we're going to do.

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We're not going to scare them.

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We're not going to surprise them.

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But let us do the words.

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We Mr. Thirsty, a cold sprayer.

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We've got the cute words and we tell them the suction's very loud.

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You're going to hear a lot of noise and all it's doing is sucking out the spit.

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Once they know, they're fine.

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But just coming in blind and hearing all these crazy noises and knowing a big needle's coming,

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that can be scary.

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So we don't like to use certain words.

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Yeah.

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I just like to, I mean, and I sure, Cammie, you've heard this many times, but I mean,

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when I was treating children, like a parent would literally say to their child, while

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I'm trying to take an x-ray or something like that, like, we have a really bad gag reflex.

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And I'm like, okay, well, hold up.

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You might have a bad gag reflex, but let's not teach like what Cammie was saying.

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Like, just let the child experience what they're going to experience.

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And what your experience as an adult may have been doesn't necessarily have to be the same

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for the child.

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And something I do want to add on very quickly is that children should see a dentist, I think

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it's by the age of one or when the first tooth has erupted, which is the two little baby

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centrals in the mouth.

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So that is part of the training.

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If you're getting your child into a provider or to not necessarily do any treatment, but

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it's introducing the child every six months as an infant and growing and learning that

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the dentist is not a bad, horrible dragon person.

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So bringing them in when they're age one or first eruption of tooth is really, really

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important and that can go for a lifetime of just being trained early on.

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And that it's fun to go and that we have prizes and so on and so forth.

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And I think that that's a big deal.

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And a lot of times that's really to educate the parent too.

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After they're coming in at age one or six months after that first tooth eruption, usually

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about one, they may not know.

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We do hear parents saying, it's just a baby tooth.

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That's a baby tooth they're keeping till they're 12.

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So it is a big deal that there's a big, huge cavity in it.

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And an infection can spread through the body and into the heart or into the eye.

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It's just letting the parent know it is more than just a baby tooth and just a baby tooth

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toothache hurts just as bad as an adult toothache.

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And it hurts.

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And it's just educating the parent, not putting them to bed with the bottle and sugary drinks

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in the bottle.

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A lot of it's to education.

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So definitely going in for that first visit at one and then continuing it and slowly working

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the child up to letting us do more.

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That first one might just be a quick look, see if anything, but maybe at a year and a

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half to we're actually starting to polish some teeth.

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Great.

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Yeah.

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Introducing them to stuff.

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And something that I teach when I'm out teaching is that I think it's about 51 million school

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hours are lost every year for children that are in dental pain.

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So that's a lot of hours and children can't concentrate just like Cami was saying, like,

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yeah, they're just baby teeth, but they're spaceholders for their adult teeth.

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They still have, they're still sensitive.

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So children can't eat properly when they don't have proper dental care.

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Their speech may be impeded, nutrition, just all kinds of different.

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And when you're in pain, you can't focus and learn.

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So oral health care as a child is really, really, really important.

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And I'm really proud of the programs that we have with Delta Delta, and that we get

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to serve the entire state.

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And I just have to give a shout out to Cami because she manages all those programs and

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she does a fabulous job and you can see she's passionate and I'm happy to be here with her.

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Yeah, I can definitely feel, I can definitely feel the passion and I'm almost kind of, I'm

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almost kind of feel sad that parents are going to be listening to this audio only and not

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see your guys' faces because there was definitely a lot of animation, a lot of heart.

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I can say that for sure.

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Yeah, that's us.

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Everything that we've discussed today will definitely have a link included in our description

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so parents can find ways to access that and learn more about those programs.

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I definitely want to give a huge thanks to both you Cami and Heather for bringing your

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expertise and your time and sharing your knowledge with us.

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Thank you so much for being here.

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Yeah, thank you so much for having us.

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Thank you so much everyone out there for listening in and know that if you are in Idaho or planning

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on moving to Idaho and have questions on systems or services for children with disabilities,

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please consider reaching out to us on our website at iPullIdaho.org or by calling us

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at 208-342-5884.

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Be sure to tune in next time.

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Until then, this has been Unlimited Parenting.

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Thanks for listening.

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