Welcome to Unlimited Parenting, where we discuss having children with disabilities or special
health care needs.
My name is Allison, and with me today is my partner in crime, Melissa.
And we are happy to bring you the third installment of IPUl, that's us, Idaho Parents Unlimited,
and it's on Facebook, a show where I pull real stories and questions from real Idaho
Facebook groups, and we take a deep dive into the answers.
Are you ready?
I am.
Buckle up, deal or no deal.
Okay, so the first question that I was able to source is, what is legally required to
obtain an IEP?
Okay.
Right, so that's a good question.
That's a really good question.
So I took it as-
That's what I was going to say, what's the context of this?
So I guess you can take it a couple of different ways.
So like, what do I need as a parent to legally obtain an IEP?
Okay.
So if you're a parent and you want to get an IEP, you need to put in a request for an
evaluation and assessment.
And I think that you would agree with me on this one, that we would always encourage anybody
to make that request in writing.
I would absolutely agree with you on that, Allison.
Yes.
Because-
We dated so we can trigger that 60 day timeline.
Absolutely.
Right?
And then what else would you need?
I don't think, I think that I guess I'm kind of caught up in the bounds of the question
of what is legally required.
So legally, you just make the request.
Yeah.
And then they have the 60 days.
But do you think that this parent was looking at it like, okay, maybe do I legally, is it
required to have a diagnosis?
Is it required?
Do you know what-
No.
So maybe?
I don't know.
No.
You don't need a community diagnosis.
None of that is legally required.
But then do you think they're talking about like what gets you special education?
Because there are three prongs that all students have to be found eligible for to legally get
them-
Okay, no.
That'd be perfect.
Let's talk about that.
Let's talk about the three prongs to special education eligibility.
So I'll name one, you name one.
First prong, the child needs to have eligibility based on the 14 eligibility categories.
Do you want to do this again?
We've done this before in a prior episode.
I'll go first.
You can tell me the-
I'm naming categories?
Yeah, we're naming categories.
The 14 categories under IDEA, or under the state of Idaho.
But I am going to tell you right now, I already have them all written out.
So don't freak me out.
I know.
Oh, okay.
You're going to go ahead and I'm going to go and I'm not going to, I'm going to forget
one and you're going to know it and then I'm okay.
Go.
Autism.
Well, that was a cheat here for you.
Okay.
Multiple disabilities.
Okay, perfect.
Emotional behavioral disturbance.
Orthopedic impairment.
Intellectual disability.
Specific learning disability.
Developmental delay.
Did we say that?
I didn't really say developmental delay.
And then you came in like, well, what about developmental delay?
I am not editing any of this out.
Other categories include death blindness, deaf-hard of hearing, other health impairment,
speech or language impairment-
Oh my gosh, I should know this.
Speech or language impairment in terms of speech and then in terms of language.
TBI or traumatic brain injury and visual impairment.
In addition to the other three, Melissa said that I'd already edited.
Oh my gosh.
This is such a fun.
Okay, so am I saying the next- oh wait.
We're going to take that levity, that brief moment of humor to tell you that there are
the first prong is that there are 14 eligibility categories.
And much like you had said earlier, you don't need a diagnosis.
So for example, we'll take my son, right?
He is autistic.
He has a community diagnosis of autism.
Ever, I would not have needed that to get him an IEP.
We could come in and under these eligibility diagnostic assessments that they do, they
might give him what's called an educational diagnosis of autism and then he could be supported
that way.
Now having said that, they are going to take any outside information that you bring.
Absolutely.
So if I have an outside diagnosis of autism for my son, it behooves me, it is in my best
interest to bring that information and present it to the team.
Yes.
Prong one.
A diagnosis.
Diagnosis, Kip.
But not in the- okay.
Yeah.
We're getting too deep in the weeds.
You know what I mean.
Because who knows what this question on Facebook actually even intended, right?
So now we're-
But you need an eligibility category.
We do need an eligibility category.
You also need, as your second prong, to have an adverse impact on educational environment
or on the student's education.
Right.
So academic, functional or developmental.
But it needs to adversely impact you.
So this then gets deeper into the weeds of the whole conversation of, well, my daughter
is in first grade and she has some behaviors that are from her inability to process sensory
stimuli.
But she's doing really well academically.
But her disability affects her developmentally and functionally, but not academically.
Well, you could still potentially be qualified to receive support, yes.
If that functional impairment or that behavioral impairment is adversely affecting the student's-
Right.
And what we're doing here is we're trying to tie it to Idaho content standards.
And when we're looking specifically in this scenario, at the lower grade levels, that
social-emotional learning is actually academic content standards.
Absolutely.
So there's a way to potentially- and again, this is why you can get so deep into the weeds
in this conversation is because it's so individualized.
And that's why this iPool founded on Facebook is so, I love this, because it's not- these
questions that are in Facebook land are not black and white.
They're not cut and dry.
And so you can clearly see that they require lengthy explanations.
And that's what we hope that people are getting from this podcast, but that they take with
a grain of salt the information that they get from the Facebook groups.
Right.
And so now that you've said that, I also want to say it goes back to the whole conversation
of if you've met one person with autism, you've met one person with autism.
So I love the idea of a Facebook group where people will share their stories and share
their experiences to empower and educate others.
Yeah.
However, just because Mary Jo got something for her autistic child doesn't mean that
Betty Sue's child is going to qualify for that.
And we also have- now we're really getting it.
Yeah.
We're ODE.
We also have to factor in that Idaho is a local control state.
It is.
So just because one school district does something doesn't mean another school district does
it the exact same way, which is why IDEA has parent centers in every single state.
The individuals with professional development who have gone into the weeds on these things
who could help educate and bridge knowledge gaps and provide information and resources.
Yes.
Am I right or am I right?
You're right, sister.
That's the way it goes.
It's just a big old plug for iPoll.
Just parent centers as a whole.
Parent centers as a whole.
Third prong.
Third prong is the need for specialty designed instruction.
So meaning that the student would require modifications to the curriculum that would
be not accommodations to the curriculum, modification to the curriculum.
So if a student is needing- my student is not on a grade level.
He needs modification to his curriculum so that he is able to learn content standards
still, but as appropriate for him.
And then another fun quick way to remember that is changes to what you're learning, not
changes to how you're learning.
So if I was a 504 and I had an accommodation, it could be that maybe I'm seated in the front
of the class so that I have a change to how I'm learning.
I'm still accessing the same material as all of my peers.
I'm just in a different room in the class.
But if I have changes to what material I'm learning, I'm at a different lexile level
or whatever the case may be.
Yes.
So a quick sort of a quick bit about assessments.
Him?
If I can.
One of those Robert rules of order point of information right here.
Legally, a child should be assessed.
Right.
So it's not- you mean I'm saying this in a way that I have not fully thought through.
So part of an IEP eligibility legally is that a child will be assessed.
What those assessments are and what they look like are going to vary based off of the IEP
team coming together and getting parental input and team input, whether that looks like
just observation or a functional behavioral assessment or a Woodcock Johnson IV or a Wechsler
intelligence scale.
I guess I'm saying all of this to say that it's not always going to be the same assessments
for every child.
So legally there's not like a battery or a menu of assessments that schools have.
There's not a checklist that they must go down and complete.
Right.
Because it's hyper individualized.
So if a student, if a parent and a team are concerned about a student potentially being
hard of hearing, they may not do an IQ assessment because that wasn't part of the concern.
So there's not just a menu of assessments.
I just wanted to add that in as part of, you know, the legal part of it is that yes, your
child should be assessed, but it's not that you as the parent need to go in with all of
the assessments that you want your child to have.
Not at all.
You bring in what your potential deficits, what the concerns are, and then the team gets
together and says, but now having said that, if you come in and say my child has a diagnosis
of autism in the community, they're probably going to say, what about like a language assessment?
Like how, what is the expressive receptive language?
So you're more likely to get certain assessments based off of a disability category, but it's
not you have autism, therefore X, Y, and Z.
Exactly.
No.
Thank you.
And I would say that there may be categories that we don't even know that students need
to be assessed in.
For example, I have had students that somewhere down the line, they are now having problems
navigating their school environment, right?
And so that's when then the team says, maybe this is a really good point to do a mobility
assessment.
And that is an assessment within the parameters of the state and of the eligibility testing
guidelines that can then help a team figure out how to, where the student's mobility standards
are kind of baseline and how then help continue to support.
Not every student's going to need mobility.
So not every student is going to need every single assessment that is APE that educators
are able to assess for.
It's going to be...
And also, nor would you want them to.
No.
No one wants their kid to go through unnecessary 12 hours of assessments.
Exactly.
And neither does the child, right?
I don't think so.
Okay.
So I feel like we've successfully answered that question.
Yeah, I think.
I don't know what they were asking, that legal requirement.
That was literally the question.
What is really required to obtain an IEP?
And I honestly will tell you, I did not scroll through the comments, but I did say, dang,
that's a great question, especially for the beginning of the school year.
I guess when listeners are listening to this, it's not really September anymore, but it's
still...
It's still new enough in the year.
This is the process.
Teachers are collecting data and everything.
And maybe now you have a question about potential IEP assessments.
Yeah.
The second question I really love, it was a person who was really trying to inject some
levity and be really down to earth and just spark a conversation of how has your child
humbled you recently?
Okay.
Which I love.
And I have one story that immediately jumped to mind.
Okay.
So as soon as I start off, you're going to know exactly where this is going.
There's a scale in my bathroom and my daughter loves to get on this scale.
Right?
Well, all three of my children, they love the scale.
I don't know what it is.
They love it.
And I've always said, whenever they get on the scale, no matter what, I always say, oh
my gosh, what a healthy weight.
Your weight means that you're so healthy.
We don't ever talk about body image, really.
It's just like, oh, it says you're healthy.
So my daughter really wanted to see what happened when I got on the scale.
And I was like, I need you to be healthy.
You are.
You're not there.
And so I hopped on the scale and she said to me, and I quote, oh no, word for word,
oh my gosh, mom, I've never seen a scale that goes past 200.
I'm not even kidding.
I've never, I didn't even know that the scale could go past 200.
Listen, lady.
You are the reason that.
Yeah, it goes past 200.
So if you could just get out.
So that was very humbling for me.
I thought I was doing something for my daughter, like not being ashamed of body image.
Like I'd love to get on that scale.
I don't have a fear of scales.
I don't have a concern about anything.
And I hopped on and she's like, I didn't even know it went up that high.
You need to give mommy some space for a minute.
Do you have a story where you've been humbled recently by your children?
No, um, no, they just pick on their old mom.
I haven't been humbled, but I guess I have been surprised by some things that I thought
my kid couldn't do.
And now he's, oh, that's even better.
Well, you would think that, but all of the years of OT are really, really paid off and
it has now really problematic in our home because the places that we need to secure,
we can no longer secure.
He's picking locks.
He is, I have in my Amazon cart right now, a doorknob with a keypad, like number system
that we are going to have to install because he has, so I guess it's humbled me in a way
that I didn't think that he would ever be able to figure this stuff out.
And we would kind of forever be able to keep him locked out of certain situations in our
house and we can't know he's figured it out.
And so I was able to tell his OT this morning that he's, his fine motor is great because
he can turn those little teeny locks and he's able to reach and flick like locks that just,
I just didn't think he would ever.
Yeah.
He was really telling you, you need to have higher expectations because you just knocking
this out of the park.
You presume competence mom, but not that much competence.
He was really, he was really aiming high.
He is.
He said, I got to learn these skills.
I'm motivated now.
I got to get to that food.
That's exactly what it is.
He's motivated by the food and he is getting to it and there's no lock mechanism that is
going to stop him because the doorknob covers that we have had that have worked spacefully
for 14 years.
I mean, they are covered by duct tape, but they are on there.
They're on there secure.
They're no longer even, he's like dangling and stop me from getting those graham crackers
lady.
No, nothing.
So I guess that's humbled me, but I didn't I'm good way.
Yeah.
Really good way that he's doing things that we never thought he would do.
So now we have to get more creative quick.
Mine was in a good way too.
Okay.
It was.
Okay.
Question number three.
And this one's going to require me to read.
Okay.
I'll be quiet.
And I know how to read.
What is the difference between, okay.
So before I even say this question, there have been some changes in terms of providers,
community providers.
Oh, okay.
How much they get paid.
Yeah.
What they're called.
So that's where this question comes coming from.
What is the difference between an independent intervention specialist and an independent
intervention professional?
So we saw those provider community provider rate increases and they had some differing
names and then if you look, there's codes and modifiers and the modifiers can help determine
if someone has a bachelor's level education, if they have a master's level education, but
some of this is also denoted in the difference between a specialist and a professional when
it comes to independent intervention.
Okay.
So in the community.
So let's start by saying both need CPR and first aid.
Period.
They'll both have a background check and they will both have general liability insurance.
So that is standard.
So an independent intervention specialist is has a bachelor's degree bachelor level in
the evidence based models.
So EBM evidence based model certificate or credential.
Kim 1040 hours of supervised experience with individuals zero to 21 who demonstrate behavioral
needs complete assessments, clinical treatment plans.
They need to have a minimum of 10 hours of documented training and five hours of supervised
experience in designing assessments and implementation of plans for individuals with functional or
behavioral needs.
So that one is the specialist, an independent intervention specialist bachelor's degree
1040 hours of supervised experience.
So then you get into the professional, the independent intervention professional.
These people have master's degrees.
So their master level evidenced based model certificate 1500 hours.
So 1500 hours of coursework and 1002 hours of experience with individuals who demonstrate
behavioral needs.
Wow.
So, so that's a considerable jump.
All of this to say if you go and this will be linked below in the description.
If you go to the department of health and welfare's website and you're like, I want
to find an independent provider to provide behavioral intervention for my child.
They have an act P or they need to have one.
These providers can help you with that.
Even if your child doesn't have an act P, they're not yet qualified for behavioral intervention.
These individuals can help you.
Even if you get the bachelor's level, the specialist, they have supervisors who can
help you with that process.
And then the professionals or are the supervised.
They can do it on their own.
So if you're looking at that independent provider list and you're going through, you know, Boise,
Garden City have I think 40.
Wow.
The last time I checked.
But if you're going through it and you're like, what is the difference between an independent
intervention specialist and professional?
Now you know, specialist, bachelor's, professional, master's, and you can also use some of the
modifiers like H-O-H-A to kind of determine who they are and what they do.
And you know what, for what it's worth, the 45 people that I have emailed or spoken with
in finding supports for my son have been nothing but bending over backwards.
They have been so friendly.
They are so kind.
And this is not an endorsement of any one specific person or, you know, not at all.
This is at large really, but just that they were like, hey, I don't have that availability,
but I think I have a friend on this list who might let's reach out to them.
Like that is the community support that you need when you're not even even if you're not
in crisis, even if you're a new parent, you're like, oh, my kid is just at a level that I
cannot assist with.
And these people are just call this person or reach out to this person.
And they've been so kind.
So that's question number three.
The more you know.
I know.
OK, here's question number four.
And I think this one's going to spark a longer conversation, too.
My son has Medicaid through the yes program, but recently he got diagnosed as autistic.
Is there any benefit to applying for Katie Beckett or should we just stay on?
Yes.
If we get Katie Beckett, do we have to do the yearly qualification evaluation like?
Yes.
So let's answer that last question first.
If you get Katie Beckett.
Yes.
Medicaid.
Katie Beckett is a pathway to Medicaid.
So if you have Katie Beckett and you have yes, the short answer is yes, you will have
to do assessments for both to remain eligible on a yearly basis for both programs.
They have individual.
Yes.
So yes, system of care is going to use the cans.
The child adolescents need strengths tool as well as the C.D.A., which is the comprehensive
diagnostic assessment.
And in most cases, they are woven together.
So you're not you're not going to hear a provider say, OK, we're going to start with the cans
and then move to the C.D.A.
They're just going to try and do both together.
That has been my experience.
But then in terms of in terms of Katie Beckett, and this is where it starts to get slightly
more complicated.
Right.
If you have an autistic child and they have a serious emotional disturbance, they're being
supported by the yes system of care, what could you get differently if you went to Katie
Beckett and you're just you're just Katie Beckett and not Dee Dee?
Yeah.
The answer is nothing.
No, no, because you are essentially it's yes is your pathway to Medicaid with the enhanced
state plan benefits, which is exactly what Katie Beckett is.
And yes is for up to 300 percent of the federal poverty level.
Yes.
Now, let's take that question and say she meant or or he or whomever asked this question
meant that they were using Katie Beckett as a pathway to Medicaid to get to children's
developmental disabilities.
So in that case, children's developmental disabilities with a child with an autism diagnosis
will get additional supports, whether it's through the traditional route, if they're
found eligible through the traditional route, which is utilizing an agency to provide those
supports and services or through a family direct route, which is where you as a family
act as the employer or you can be sorry, you're good in services.
So that would get them more.
Right.
So if you have an autistic child and you want to see if you've been if your child can be
found eligible for children's developmental disabilities and you go, let's say the family
directed route, you're going to get your budget and then you can use that budget to hire your
own community support worker or potentially buy like you said, goods and services, sensory
swing, Bailey shoes, fidgets, social stories a week ago.
In fact, there is another episode where we do go on and on about what you can use your
budget for.
It should be part two.
So it's the I pull found it on Facebook right before this one.
So if she is it and and sometimes people use Katie Beckett and children's developmental
disability or the program interchangeably, I wonder if that's what she's talking about.
She already has a pathway to Medicaid.
She is already seeking getting Medicaid, everything that she would from Katie Beckett pathway to
Medicaid.
In addition, if they wanted to go the development of children's developmental disability route,
that would then provide additional supports through either a budget or the traditional
route in the community through an agency.
Right.
So I think that's what she's asking.
I think I agree completely.
I think that's exactly what she's asking them.
They are asking.
But if you have yes program for your child and someone told you about Katie Beckett,
Katie Beckett is just a pathway to Medicaid for families who make too much money and they
have a child with a developmental disability and that child needs supports and services.
But Katie Beckett isn't the developmental disability program.
So if your child wasn't a part of the system of care and you wanted to get state plan Medicaid
for OT, speech, physical therapy, but you didn't want children's developmental disabilities,
you could apply for the Katie Beckett pathway to Medicaid to access those basic state plan
services for your child.
Yeah.
And just have that.
But you're already getting that if you have yes system of care.
But if you're doing what we, you and I think this lady or this individual is talking about,
which is they want to get to children's developmental disability to access that budget, then that
is a separate program.
Through Liberty, just like yes, goes through Liberty, Idaho's independent third party assessor.
And then they're going to get assessments, which looks like Vineland or VABs or whatever.
But yes, you're doing assessments every year for both programs because you need to stay
eligible for both programs.
The only caution that I would say is maybe yes.
What are they utilizing yes for?
Like if she's utilizing or they are utilizing yes for respite, then that's something that
they won't get.
So Katie Beckett isn't going to provide them anything that they wouldn't normally get from
the yes program.
Right.
But the yes program maybe have a couple things that you wouldn't have from dysnormals.
But if you want DD, then yeah.
If you want DD to...
I wasn't trying to make it harder.
I'm trying to think yes has a couple of things that traditional Katie Beckett wouldn't offer
families.
And that's because that is necessary for children with serious emotional disturbances to have
those respite hours built in.
But let's say you have yes.
And again, now I'm just taking this way, way out there.
That's cool.
That's what we do.
You have youth empowerment services, which is yes.
You have the 1915 I waiver and now you're like, oh, what?
I need X, Y and Z. But that's...
No, I don't know where I'm going.
I'll have to edit this out.
I thought I had it in my brain and then it just whoosh.
I thought you were going there too.
I know.
I lost my train of thought.
The train was going down the tracks and then it just...
The final question.
I'm actually really excited about this because somebody out there used our form in the description
box of every episode is a form that says, if you have a topic you want us to discuss
or you have any kind of feedback or something you want to hear more of or less of, please
let us know.
Awesome.
And somebody used it?
And someone used our form.
So we have a listener question.
All right.
And the question is, what are good books to read to your child during their bedtime routine?
They just want some extra feedback from parents brought to you by parents like you.
Right?
I'll go first.
Okay.
Because I...
I've read books for a long time.
I'm a really big reader.
And there are...
Okay.
So I could go forever on this topic.
Let's be real.
There are some really beautiful, beautifully illustrated books that can suck you in.
And it depends on how much time.
What does your bedtime routine look like?
Right?
Are you...
Do you have an hour or do you have 25 minutes and you just want to read because you read
a statistic that said that children, by the time they hit kindergarten, they could have
heard this many words if you read to them every night.
Right?
So what is your capacity?
How much time do you have?
There are beautiful books like Children's Shakespeare or Charles Dickens.
And those are really, really, really cool.
But books that my kids loved are those books for babies.
So artificial intelligence for babies, robotics for babies, engineering for babies, biology
for babies.
You get where I'm going here.
And they take experts in the field and they write it for really young learners and they
are bored books.
But I would say that they're good for anywhere between one year and probably even five.
Wow.
Because the way that they're written and the illustrations that they use, the illustrations
are very basic and simple.
It is not a noisy, flashy book.
But the one that really sticks out to me, the one that my kids loved and read the most
was robotics for babies.
And it started with like, this is a ball.
How do I make this ball?
How do I make this ball faster?
Oh, I would need a machine.
The machine made the ball, but the machine didn't make the ball symmetrical.
What can we do the machine to make the ball symmetrical?
And it goes on and on and on through the process until you've taught the child how to make
a robot basically.
And my kids love that.
They are very process oriented, very pattern oriented.
And this book assumes competence, right?
It just is like, you want to know how to make a robot?
Why would you make a robot?
Well, here's a perfect example of why we would have needed a robot.
And here's how we make it.
Was it like a series?
Like a board?
Like, does it all come together or?
You can buy like five or so books, I think, in a series, but they're all done individually.
Another one.
That's a good, I'm just thinking that's a good baby gift.
Like, I was up to give that out.
It is a really good baby gift.
And there's another one called the ABCs of Biology.
Okay.
And it was never as big of a hit with my children as the robotics book was.
But the reason I loved it is because it was scaffolded.
So if you have a really young child, you would just say the ABCs and point to the picture.
If you have an intermediate level child, you could say the ABCs, point to the picture and
read a sentence about it.
And then the third level was like a more descriptive.
And it really took it in levels.
And it was so cool to see my kids go, it looks like there's more words there.
We're ready to hear about those now.
And so it really allowed you to go at your, allowed you to go at the kids pace.
And I loved that so much.
And then the last book, the last book I'll say is A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood.
One of the Mr. Rogers books.
And it is, it's drawn pictures, so it's not photos.
Because for some reason, photos aren't a big hit for my kids.
It can't be like a book of kids doing things like a social story might be.
They want illustrations.
They need illustrations.
And so it's, it's essentially Daniel Tiger's Mr. Rogers neighborhood.
And they, it's like little poems and stuff.
And they love it.
I love it.
Maybe I love it more than they love it, but they're not here to correct me.
So I'm just going to assume we all love it.
Do you have a book like that, that your kids just loved?
So my kids all loved and I don't, so my husband had a Peter Pan book that his mom read to
him.
And it was really, and we would read about three pages each night and each with each
kid.
And then it was really fun because so we did it for our daughter.
And then when we started reading it to our second son, our daughter was like, I want
to come and do that because she would remember.
So it's the Peter Pan was very big in our family and we read it with all of the kids
and everybody kind of all scaffolded on like, I mean, it wasn't scaffold, but everybody
loved it so much.
It was like a memory of their childhood.
So we, but I think, but I think that what you said is really important.
And when you're trying to decide a book to read to your child is it has to be something
that you're interested in too, because they pick up on that real quick.
And they're like, Oh my gosh, you like this book too?
I want to be just like you.
I want to like this book and then they really start to like that book on their own accord.
But they got bought into it because the parents were really, and that is, yes, that is so
why they were bought in because he would act out and he would read and, and, and it put
so much into it.
And dad never did really the books with the kids.
This was the one book that he did.
I read the board books and I loved the hippos books.
It was like the hippos could go berserk and hippos have a belly button.
And I don't remember any really, really.
I was in the olden days like a long time ago, cause my daughter's 19 now, but those books,
they stayed the whole time.
I don't know.
And the hippo, there was a hippos go to bed and the, but now that you're saying are those
the Sandra?
Yes.
Okay.
Yes.
A whole line of hippo books.
Oh, maybe I was like into hippos.
I don't know.
But I think that maybe they did the opposite that I was supposed to do before bed because
I would get so into those books and then it was berserk.
And like we would just go wild.
And now I'm realizing that wasn't a very good bedtime routine.
It's not, it's not very calming.
It's not calming.
It's not calming at all, but it's what we did.
So I don't know.
Whoops.
So don't take my advice.
Read those in the morning.
Okay.
But when you're talking about books to calm you down, my mom will watch my children, you
know, like grandparents do every so often, they'll take the kid for the night or for
the weekend.
And I told her, I was like, you know, I read to my kids at bed and they're going to kind
of expect that because it's their routine.
So I brought you a book.
I mean, no pressure, but just so you know, they're going to ask for it.
And my mom said, you know, essentially, absolutely not.
But what she did do and they loved it was I thought she was playing an audio book because
my kids were like, we listened to a book and I'm like, audio book.
Great.
I'm glad that you liked it.
We'll incorporate that into our routine.
She wasn't listening to an audio book.
She was on like the calm app or asleep apps and she was listening to Matthew McConaughey
like narrate something.
And my kids were falling asleep to that.
All right.
They were falling asleep to Matthew McConaughey.
Like I was inside of a coffee shop.
What?
And it was stuck.
And it was like, it was like a sleep thing for adults and they loved it.
And so the opposite of what I thought would happen happened.
So instead of my kids going, grandma, we need to read a book.
That's our routine.
The kids came home to me and said, you got to play Matthew McConaughey for me to go to
sleep.
So now we will have nights where Matthew McConaughey speaks until my children fall asleep.
I was okay.
I'm there for that surprise.
Well, grandma's doing things.
Grandma's doing things.
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