1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,300 Welcome to Unlimited Parenting, where we discuss having children with disabilities or special 2 00:00:12,300 --> 00:00:13,620 health care needs. 3 00:00:13,620 --> 00:00:18,060 My name is Allison, and with me today is my partner in crime, Melissa. 4 00:00:18,060 --> 00:00:25,880 And we are happy to bring you the third installment of IPUl, that's us, Idaho Parents Unlimited, 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:33,360 and it's on Facebook, a show where I pull real stories and questions from real Idaho 6 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:38,000 Facebook groups, and we take a deep dive into the answers. 7 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,000 Are you ready? 8 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,000 I am. 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,120 Buckle up, deal or no deal. 10 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:49,440 Okay, so the first question that I was able to source is, what is legally required to 11 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,240 obtain an IEP? 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,240 Okay. 13 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:53,240 Right, so that's a good question. 14 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,240 That's a really good question. 15 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:56,240 So I took it as- 16 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,220 That's what I was going to say, what's the context of this? 17 00:00:59,220 --> 00:01:01,600 So I guess you can take it a couple of different ways. 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,400 So like, what do I need as a parent to legally obtain an IEP? 19 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:06,400 Okay. 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:13,080 So if you're a parent and you want to get an IEP, you need to put in a request for an 21 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,480 evaluation and assessment. 22 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,700 And I think that you would agree with me on this one, that we would always encourage anybody 23 00:01:19,700 --> 00:01:23,040 to make that request in writing. 24 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,560 I would absolutely agree with you on that, Allison. 25 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:26,560 Yes. 26 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:27,560 Because- 27 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,840 We dated so we can trigger that 60 day timeline. 28 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:30,840 Absolutely. 29 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:31,840 Right? 30 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,480 And then what else would you need? 31 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,200 I don't think, I think that I guess I'm kind of caught up in the bounds of the question 32 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,040 of what is legally required. 33 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,040 So legally, you just make the request. 34 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,040 Yeah. 35 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,360 And then they have the 60 days. 36 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:49,640 But do you think that this parent was looking at it like, okay, maybe do I legally, is it 37 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,760 required to have a diagnosis? 38 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,000 Is it required? 39 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Do you know what- 40 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,000 No. 41 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,000 So maybe? 42 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,000 I don't know. 43 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,000 No. 44 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,000 No. 45 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,000 You don't need a community diagnosis. 46 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,040 None of that is legally required. 47 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,680 But then do you think they're talking about like what gets you special education? 48 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:11,880 Because there are three prongs that all students have to be found eligible for to legally get 49 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:12,880 them- 50 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:13,880 Okay, no. 51 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:14,880 That'd be perfect. 52 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:15,880 Let's talk about that. 53 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,640 Let's talk about the three prongs to special education eligibility. 54 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:21,320 So I'll name one, you name one. 55 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:28,760 First prong, the child needs to have eligibility based on the 14 eligibility categories. 56 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,440 Do you want to do this again? 57 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,280 We've done this before in a prior episode. 58 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:33,280 I'll go first. 59 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,080 You can tell me the- 60 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,080 I'm naming categories? 61 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,600 Yeah, we're naming categories. 62 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,640 The 14 categories under IDEA, or under the state of Idaho. 63 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:45,880 But I am going to tell you right now, I already have them all written out. 64 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:46,880 So don't freak me out. 65 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:47,880 I know. 66 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:48,880 Oh, okay. 67 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,960 You're going to go ahead and I'm going to go and I'm not going to, I'm going to forget 68 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,440 one and you're going to know it and then I'm okay. 69 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:55,440 Go. 70 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:56,440 Autism. 71 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,680 Well, that was a cheat here for you. 72 00:02:58,680 --> 00:02:59,680 Okay. 73 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:00,680 Multiple disabilities. 74 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:01,680 Okay, perfect. 75 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,880 Emotional behavioral disturbance. 76 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,360 Orthopedic impairment. 77 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,560 Intellectual disability. 78 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,600 Specific learning disability. 79 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,920 Developmental delay. 80 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:12,920 Developmental delay. 81 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:13,920 Did we say that? 82 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:16,980 I didn't really say developmental delay. 83 00:03:16,980 --> 00:03:20,440 And then you came in like, well, what about developmental delay? 84 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,920 I am not editing any of this out. 85 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:31,120 Other categories include death blindness, deaf-hard of hearing, other health impairment, 86 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:32,120 speech or language impairment- 87 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:33,720 Oh my gosh, I should know this. 88 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,920 Speech or language impairment in terms of speech and then in terms of language. 89 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:42,540 TBI or traumatic brain injury and visual impairment. 90 00:03:42,540 --> 00:03:46,040 In addition to the other three, Melissa said that I'd already edited. 91 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:47,040 Oh my gosh. 92 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,080 This is such a fun. 93 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:53,760 Okay, so am I saying the next- oh wait. 94 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:58,040 We're going to take that levity, that brief moment of humor to tell you that there are 95 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:02,080 the first prong is that there are 14 eligibility categories. 96 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,960 And much like you had said earlier, you don't need a diagnosis. 97 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,320 So for example, we'll take my son, right? 98 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:09,400 He is autistic. 99 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,520 He has a community diagnosis of autism. 100 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:18,000 Ever, I would not have needed that to get him an IEP. 101 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:24,840 We could come in and under these eligibility diagnostic assessments that they do, they 102 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:30,460 might give him what's called an educational diagnosis of autism and then he could be supported 103 00:04:30,460 --> 00:04:31,460 that way. 104 00:04:31,460 --> 00:04:37,320 Now having said that, they are going to take any outside information that you bring. 105 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:38,320 Absolutely. 106 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:44,360 So if I have an outside diagnosis of autism for my son, it behooves me, it is in my best 107 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,760 interest to bring that information and present it to the team. 108 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:49,760 Yes. 109 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:50,760 Prong one. 110 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:51,760 Prong one. 111 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:52,760 A diagnosis. 112 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:53,760 Diagnosis, Kip. 113 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:54,760 But not in the- okay. 114 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:55,760 Yeah. 115 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,280 We're getting too deep in the weeds. 116 00:04:57,280 --> 00:04:58,280 You know what I mean. 117 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:01,880 Because who knows what this question on Facebook actually even intended, right? 118 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:02,880 So now we're- 119 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:03,880 But you need an eligibility category. 120 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,460 We do need an eligibility category. 121 00:05:05,460 --> 00:05:11,440 You also need, as your second prong, to have an adverse impact on educational environment 122 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,360 or on the student's education. 123 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:14,360 Right. 124 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,920 So academic, functional or developmental. 125 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,280 But it needs to adversely impact you. 126 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:28,440 So this then gets deeper into the weeds of the whole conversation of, well, my daughter 127 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:36,320 is in first grade and she has some behaviors that are from her inability to process sensory 128 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,320 stimuli. 129 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,680 But she's doing really well academically. 130 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:47,920 But her disability affects her developmentally and functionally, but not academically. 131 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:54,800 Well, you could still potentially be qualified to receive support, yes. 132 00:05:54,800 --> 00:06:00,800 If that functional impairment or that behavioral impairment is adversely affecting the student's- 133 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:01,800 Right. 134 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:07,800 And what we're doing here is we're trying to tie it to Idaho content standards. 135 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:13,400 And when we're looking specifically in this scenario, at the lower grade levels, that 136 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:18,200 social-emotional learning is actually academic content standards. 137 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:19,200 Absolutely. 138 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:24,440 So there's a way to potentially- and again, this is why you can get so deep into the weeds 139 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,800 in this conversation is because it's so individualized. 140 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,340 And that's why this iPool founded on Facebook is so, I love this, because it's not- these 141 00:06:33,340 --> 00:06:36,520 questions that are in Facebook land are not black and white. 142 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:37,520 They're not cut and dry. 143 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,760 And so you can clearly see that they require lengthy explanations. 144 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,720 And that's what we hope that people are getting from this podcast, but that they take with 145 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,320 a grain of salt the information that they get from the Facebook groups. 146 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:51,480 Right. 147 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:58,440 And so now that you've said that, I also want to say it goes back to the whole conversation 148 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:03,600 of if you've met one person with autism, you've met one person with autism. 149 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:09,360 So I love the idea of a Facebook group where people will share their stories and share 150 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,680 their experiences to empower and educate others. 151 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:13,680 Yeah. 152 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:21,400 However, just because Mary Jo got something for her autistic child doesn't mean that 153 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,720 Betty Sue's child is going to qualify for that. 154 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,200 And we also have- now we're really getting it. 155 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:29,200 Yeah. 156 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:30,200 We're ODE. 157 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,560 We also have to factor in that Idaho is a local control state. 158 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:34,560 It is. 159 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:39,560 So just because one school district does something doesn't mean another school district does 160 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:48,760 it the exact same way, which is why IDEA has parent centers in every single state. 161 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:53,680 The individuals with professional development who have gone into the weeds on these things 162 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:59,520 who could help educate and bridge knowledge gaps and provide information and resources. 163 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:00,520 Yes. 164 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:01,520 Am I right or am I right? 165 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:02,520 You're right, sister. 166 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,520 That's the way it goes. 167 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,680 It's just a big old plug for iPoll. 168 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,360 Just parent centers as a whole. 169 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,440 Parent centers as a whole. 170 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:13,480 Third prong. 171 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,600 Third prong is the need for specialty designed instruction. 172 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,640 So meaning that the student would require modifications to the curriculum that would 173 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:26,480 be not accommodations to the curriculum, modification to the curriculum. 174 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,920 So if a student is needing- my student is not on a grade level. 175 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,360 He needs modification to his curriculum so that he is able to learn content standards 176 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,240 still, but as appropriate for him. 177 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,760 And then another fun quick way to remember that is changes to what you're learning, not 178 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,360 changes to how you're learning. 179 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:52,880 So if I was a 504 and I had an accommodation, it could be that maybe I'm seated in the front 180 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:58,080 of the class so that I have a change to how I'm learning. 181 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,800 I'm still accessing the same material as all of my peers. 182 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,340 I'm just in a different room in the class. 183 00:09:02,340 --> 00:09:08,280 But if I have changes to what material I'm learning, I'm at a different lexile level 184 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,600 or whatever the case may be. 185 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:11,960 Yes. 186 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,640 So a quick sort of a quick bit about assessments. 187 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:17,640 Him? 188 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:18,640 If I can. 189 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:23,440 One of those Robert rules of order point of information right here. 190 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,000 Legally, a child should be assessed. 191 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,120 Right. 192 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:34,000 So it's not- you mean I'm saying this in a way that I have not fully thought through. 193 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:39,360 So part of an IEP eligibility legally is that a child will be assessed. 194 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:44,680 What those assessments are and what they look like are going to vary based off of the IEP 195 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:49,960 team coming together and getting parental input and team input, whether that looks like 196 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:58,520 just observation or a functional behavioral assessment or a Woodcock Johnson IV or a Wechsler 197 00:09:58,520 --> 00:09:59,960 intelligence scale. 198 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:06,280 I guess I'm saying all of this to say that it's not always going to be the same assessments 199 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:07,560 for every child. 200 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:15,120 So legally there's not like a battery or a menu of assessments that schools have. 201 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,320 There's not a checklist that they must go down and complete. 202 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,320 Right. 203 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,040 Because it's hyper individualized. 204 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:27,800 So if a student, if a parent and a team are concerned about a student potentially being 205 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:35,280 hard of hearing, they may not do an IQ assessment because that wasn't part of the concern. 206 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,800 So there's not just a menu of assessments. 207 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:42,040 I just wanted to add that in as part of, you know, the legal part of it is that yes, your 208 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:46,920 child should be assessed, but it's not that you as the parent need to go in with all of 209 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,000 the assessments that you want your child to have. 210 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,000 Not at all. 211 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:55,240 You bring in what your potential deficits, what the concerns are, and then the team gets 212 00:10:55,240 --> 00:11:01,120 together and says, but now having said that, if you come in and say my child has a diagnosis 213 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:08,440 of autism in the community, they're probably going to say, what about like a language assessment? 214 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,480 Like how, what is the expressive receptive language? 215 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:16,840 So you're more likely to get certain assessments based off of a disability category, but it's 216 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,160 not you have autism, therefore X, Y, and Z. 217 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:21,160 Exactly. 218 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:22,160 No. 219 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,160 Thank you. 220 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:28,420 And I would say that there may be categories that we don't even know that students need 221 00:11:28,420 --> 00:11:29,420 to be assessed in. 222 00:11:29,420 --> 00:11:37,440 For example, I have had students that somewhere down the line, they are now having problems 223 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,580 navigating their school environment, right? 224 00:11:39,580 --> 00:11:43,480 And so that's when then the team says, maybe this is a really good point to do a mobility 225 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:44,480 assessment. 226 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,860 And that is an assessment within the parameters of the state and of the eligibility testing 227 00:11:48,860 --> 00:11:55,720 guidelines that can then help a team figure out how to, where the student's mobility standards 228 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,720 are kind of baseline and how then help continue to support. 229 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,080 Not every student's going to need mobility. 230 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,560 So not every student is going to need every single assessment that is APE that educators 231 00:12:05,560 --> 00:12:06,760 are able to assess for. 232 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:07,760 It's going to be... 233 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,200 And also, nor would you want them to. 234 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:11,200 No. 235 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:16,280 No one wants their kid to go through unnecessary 12 hours of assessments. 236 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:17,280 Exactly. 237 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,080 And neither does the child, right? 238 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:20,080 I don't think so. 239 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,080 Okay. 240 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:22,720 So I feel like we've successfully answered that question. 241 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:23,720 Yeah, I think. 242 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,080 I don't know what they were asking, that legal requirement. 243 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,480 That was literally the question. 244 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,960 What is really required to obtain an IEP? 245 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:36,000 And I honestly will tell you, I did not scroll through the comments, but I did say, dang, 246 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,680 that's a great question, especially for the beginning of the school year. 247 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:45,520 I guess when listeners are listening to this, it's not really September anymore, but it's 248 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:46,520 still... 249 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,240 It's still new enough in the year. 250 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:49,240 This is the process. 251 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:50,640 Teachers are collecting data and everything. 252 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:55,360 And maybe now you have a question about potential IEP assessments. 253 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:56,680 Yeah. 254 00:12:56,680 --> 00:13:05,160 The second question I really love, it was a person who was really trying to inject some 255 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:10,840 levity and be really down to earth and just spark a conversation of how has your child 256 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,480 humbled you recently? 257 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:13,480 Okay. 258 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:14,600 Which I love. 259 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:19,480 And I have one story that immediately jumped to mind. 260 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:20,480 Okay. 261 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,600 So as soon as I start off, you're going to know exactly where this is going. 262 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:31,640 There's a scale in my bathroom and my daughter loves to get on this scale. 263 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:32,640 Right? 264 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,680 Well, all three of my children, they love the scale. 265 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:35,680 I don't know what it is. 266 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:36,920 They love it. 267 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:41,200 And I've always said, whenever they get on the scale, no matter what, I always say, oh 268 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,520 my gosh, what a healthy weight. 269 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,680 Your weight means that you're so healthy. 270 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:48,000 We don't ever talk about body image, really. 271 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,920 It's just like, oh, it says you're healthy. 272 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:55,280 So my daughter really wanted to see what happened when I got on the scale. 273 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,480 And I was like, I need you to be healthy. 274 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:58,480 You are. 275 00:13:58,480 --> 00:13:59,960 You're not there. 276 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:06,200 And so I hopped on the scale and she said to me, and I quote, oh no, word for word, 277 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:11,400 oh my gosh, mom, I've never seen a scale that goes past 200. 278 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:12,680 I'm not even kidding. 279 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:16,920 I've never, I didn't even know that the scale could go past 200. 280 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:17,920 Listen, lady. 281 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,920 You are the reason that. 282 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,080 Yeah, it goes past 200. 283 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,000 So if you could just get out. 284 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,680 So that was very humbling for me. 285 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,680 I thought I was doing something for my daughter, like not being ashamed of body image. 286 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,240 Like I'd love to get on that scale. 287 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:34,760 I don't have a fear of scales. 288 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,480 I don't have a concern about anything. 289 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:43,360 And I hopped on and she's like, I didn't even know it went up that high. 290 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,360 You need to give mommy some space for a minute. 291 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,320 Do you have a story where you've been humbled recently by your children? 292 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:54,080 No, um, no, they just pick on their old mom. 293 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:59,160 I haven't been humbled, but I guess I have been surprised by some things that I thought 294 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:00,440 my kid couldn't do. 295 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,160 And now he's, oh, that's even better. 296 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:10,200 Well, you would think that, but all of the years of OT are really, really paid off and 297 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:16,840 it has now really problematic in our home because the places that we need to secure, 298 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,120 we can no longer secure. 299 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:19,120 He's picking locks. 300 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:26,400 He is, I have in my Amazon cart right now, a doorknob with a keypad, like number system 301 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:31,400 that we are going to have to install because he has, so I guess it's humbled me in a way 302 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,200 that I didn't think that he would ever be able to figure this stuff out. 303 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:40,840 And we would kind of forever be able to keep him locked out of certain situations in our 304 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,320 house and we can't know he's figured it out. 305 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:48,320 And so I was able to tell his OT this morning that he's, his fine motor is great because 306 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:55,760 he can turn those little teeny locks and he's able to reach and flick like locks that just, 307 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,080 I just didn't think he would ever. 308 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,080 Yeah. 309 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,180 He was really telling you, you need to have higher expectations because you just knocking 310 00:16:02,180 --> 00:16:04,800 this out of the park. 311 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,720 You presume competence mom, but not that much competence. 312 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,600 He was really, he was really aiming high. 313 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:11,600 He is. 314 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:12,680 He said, I got to learn these skills. 315 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,120 I'm motivated now. 316 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:15,460 I got to get to that food. 317 00:16:15,460 --> 00:16:16,460 That's exactly what it is. 318 00:16:16,460 --> 00:16:21,440 He's motivated by the food and he is getting to it and there's no lock mechanism that is 319 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,640 going to stop him because the doorknob covers that we have had that have worked spacefully 320 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:26,640 for 14 years. 321 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,200 I mean, they are covered by duct tape, but they are on there. 322 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:31,200 They're on there secure. 323 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:35,400 They're no longer even, he's like dangling and stop me from getting those graham crackers 324 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:36,400 lady. 325 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:37,400 No, nothing. 326 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:38,920 So I guess that's humbled me, but I didn't I'm good way. 327 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:39,920 Yeah. 328 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,120 Really good way that he's doing things that we never thought he would do. 329 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,600 So now we have to get more creative quick. 330 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:45,600 Mine was in a good way too. 331 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:46,600 Okay. 332 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:47,600 It was. 333 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:48,600 Okay. 334 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,520 Question number three. 335 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,560 And this one's going to require me to read. 336 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:55,560 Okay. 337 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:56,560 I'll be quiet. 338 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,800 And I know how to read. 339 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,080 What is the difference between, okay. 340 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:10,480 So before I even say this question, there have been some changes in terms of providers, 341 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:11,480 community providers. 342 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:12,480 Oh, okay. 343 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:13,480 How much they get paid. 344 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:14,480 Yeah. 345 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:15,480 What they're called. 346 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,960 So that's where this question comes coming from. 347 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:25,280 What is the difference between an independent intervention specialist and an independent 348 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,580 intervention professional? 349 00:17:27,580 --> 00:17:33,840 So we saw those provider community provider rate increases and they had some differing 350 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:40,040 names and then if you look, there's codes and modifiers and the modifiers can help determine 351 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:45,960 if someone has a bachelor's level education, if they have a master's level education, but 352 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:52,800 some of this is also denoted in the difference between a specialist and a professional when 353 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,840 it comes to independent intervention. 354 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:55,840 Okay. 355 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,320 So in the community. 356 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,480 So let's start by saying both need CPR and first aid. 357 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:02,480 Period. 358 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:07,600 They'll both have a background check and they will both have general liability insurance. 359 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,220 So that is standard. 360 00:18:10,220 --> 00:18:18,080 So an independent intervention specialist is has a bachelor's degree bachelor level in 361 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,820 the evidence based models. 362 00:18:20,820 --> 00:18:24,920 So EBM evidence based model certificate or credential. 363 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:32,040 Kim 1040 hours of supervised experience with individuals zero to 21 who demonstrate behavioral 364 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,080 needs complete assessments, clinical treatment plans. 365 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,920 They need to have a minimum of 10 hours of documented training and five hours of supervised 366 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:47,120 experience in designing assessments and implementation of plans for individuals with functional or 367 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:48,960 behavioral needs. 368 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:54,840 So that one is the specialist, an independent intervention specialist bachelor's degree 369 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,720 1040 hours of supervised experience. 370 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:05,200 So then you get into the professional, the independent intervention professional. 371 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,360 These people have master's degrees. 372 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:14,360 So their master level evidenced based model certificate 1500 hours. 373 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:21,880 So 1500 hours of coursework and 1002 hours of experience with individuals who demonstrate 374 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:22,880 behavioral needs. 375 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:23,880 Wow. 376 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,880 So, so that's a considerable jump. 377 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:31,620 All of this to say if you go and this will be linked below in the description. 378 00:19:31,620 --> 00:19:35,560 If you go to the department of health and welfare's website and you're like, I want 379 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:40,720 to find an independent provider to provide behavioral intervention for my child. 380 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,520 They have an act P or they need to have one. 381 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,340 These providers can help you with that. 382 00:19:46,340 --> 00:19:51,060 Even if your child doesn't have an act P, they're not yet qualified for behavioral intervention. 383 00:19:51,060 --> 00:19:52,500 These individuals can help you. 384 00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:58,860 Even if you get the bachelor's level, the specialist, they have supervisors who can 385 00:19:58,860 --> 00:20:00,820 help you with that process. 386 00:20:00,820 --> 00:20:04,320 And then the professionals or are the supervised. 387 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,080 They can do it on their own. 388 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:12,480 So if you're looking at that independent provider list and you're going through, you know, Boise, 389 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,440 Garden City have I think 40. 390 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:16,440 Wow. 391 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:17,440 The last time I checked. 392 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,640 But if you're going through it and you're like, what is the difference between an independent 393 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,100 intervention specialist and professional? 394 00:20:24,100 --> 00:20:29,640 Now you know, specialist, bachelor's, professional, master's, and you can also use some of the 395 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:36,720 modifiers like H-O-H-A to kind of determine who they are and what they do. 396 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:44,320 And you know what, for what it's worth, the 45 people that I have emailed or spoken with 397 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:50,020 in finding supports for my son have been nothing but bending over backwards. 398 00:20:50,020 --> 00:20:51,880 They have been so friendly. 399 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,140 They are so kind. 400 00:20:53,140 --> 00:20:59,240 And this is not an endorsement of any one specific person or, you know, not at all. 401 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,680 This is at large really, but just that they were like, hey, I don't have that availability, 402 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,240 but I think I have a friend on this list who might let's reach out to them. 403 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:12,720 Like that is the community support that you need when you're not even even if you're not 404 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:18,640 in crisis, even if you're a new parent, you're like, oh, my kid is just at a level that I 405 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,440 cannot assist with. 406 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,200 And these people are just call this person or reach out to this person. 407 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,480 And they've been so kind. 408 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,720 So that's question number three. 409 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:28,720 The more you know. 410 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:29,720 I know. 411 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,360 OK, here's question number four. 412 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:34,680 And I think this one's going to spark a longer conversation, too. 413 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:43,040 My son has Medicaid through the yes program, but recently he got diagnosed as autistic. 414 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:48,120 Is there any benefit to applying for Katie Beckett or should we just stay on? 415 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:49,120 Yes. 416 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:55,160 If we get Katie Beckett, do we have to do the yearly qualification evaluation like? 417 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,160 Yes. 418 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,080 So let's answer that last question first. 419 00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,520 If you get Katie Beckett. 420 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:00,520 Yes. 421 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,520 Medicaid. 422 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:02,880 Katie Beckett is a pathway to Medicaid. 423 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:09,200 So if you have Katie Beckett and you have yes, the short answer is yes, you will have 424 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:14,120 to do assessments for both to remain eligible on a yearly basis for both programs. 425 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:15,120 They have individual. 426 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:16,120 Yes. 427 00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:18,120 So yes, system of care is going to use the cans. 428 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:24,200 The child adolescents need strengths tool as well as the C.D.A., which is the comprehensive 429 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,920 diagnostic assessment. 430 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,640 And in most cases, they are woven together. 431 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,720 So you're not you're not going to hear a provider say, OK, we're going to start with the cans 432 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,320 and then move to the C.D.A. 433 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,440 They're just going to try and do both together. 434 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,480 That has been my experience. 435 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,920 But then in terms of in terms of Katie Beckett, and this is where it starts to get slightly 436 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:45,960 more complicated. 437 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:46,960 Right. 438 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,920 If you have an autistic child and they have a serious emotional disturbance, they're being 439 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:59,040 supported by the yes system of care, what could you get differently if you went to Katie 440 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,760 Beckett and you're just you're just Katie Beckett and not Dee Dee? 441 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:03,760 Yeah. 442 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:04,760 The answer is nothing. 443 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:10,840 No, no, because you are essentially it's yes is your pathway to Medicaid with the enhanced 444 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,480 state plan benefits, which is exactly what Katie Beckett is. 445 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,920 And yes is for up to 300 percent of the federal poverty level. 446 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:20,920 Yes. 447 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:27,120 Now, let's take that question and say she meant or or he or whomever asked this question 448 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:32,320 meant that they were using Katie Beckett as a pathway to Medicaid to get to children's 449 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,960 developmental disabilities. 450 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:39,040 So in that case, children's developmental disabilities with a child with an autism diagnosis 451 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,600 will get additional supports, whether it's through the traditional route, if they're 452 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:48,120 found eligible through the traditional route, which is utilizing an agency to provide those 453 00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:51,960 supports and services or through a family direct route, which is where you as a family 454 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:57,200 act as the employer or you can be sorry, you're good in services. 455 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,160 So that would get them more. 456 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,160 Right. 457 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,680 So if you have an autistic child and you want to see if you've been if your child can be 458 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:10,240 found eligible for children's developmental disabilities and you go, let's say the family 459 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,400 directed route, you're going to get your budget and then you can use that budget to hire your 460 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,680 own community support worker or potentially buy like you said, goods and services, sensory 461 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:25,040 swing, Bailey shoes, fidgets, social stories a week ago. 462 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:30,320 In fact, there is another episode where we do go on and on about what you can use your 463 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:31,320 budget for. 464 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,320 It should be part two. 465 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:37,420 So it's the I pull found it on Facebook right before this one. 466 00:24:37,420 --> 00:24:42,480 So if she is it and and sometimes people use Katie Beckett and children's developmental 467 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,260 disability or the program interchangeably, I wonder if that's what she's talking about. 468 00:24:47,260 --> 00:24:50,640 She already has a pathway to Medicaid. 469 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,800 She is already seeking getting Medicaid, everything that she would from Katie Beckett pathway to 470 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:55,800 Medicaid. 471 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:00,100 In addition, if they wanted to go the development of children's developmental disability route, 472 00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:05,080 that would then provide additional supports through either a budget or the traditional 473 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,000 route in the community through an agency. 474 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,000 Right. 475 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,000 So I think that's what she's asking. 476 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,240 I think I agree completely. 477 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,600 I think that's exactly what she's asking them. 478 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,120 They are asking. 479 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:21,960 But if you have yes program for your child and someone told you about Katie Beckett, 480 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,840 Katie Beckett is just a pathway to Medicaid for families who make too much money and they 481 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:30,840 have a child with a developmental disability and that child needs supports and services. 482 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,400 But Katie Beckett isn't the developmental disability program. 483 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:40,200 So if your child wasn't a part of the system of care and you wanted to get state plan Medicaid 484 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,840 for OT, speech, physical therapy, but you didn't want children's developmental disabilities, 485 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:52,080 you could apply for the Katie Beckett pathway to Medicaid to access those basic state plan 486 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,600 services for your child. 487 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:54,600 Yeah. 488 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,720 And just have that. 489 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,680 But you're already getting that if you have yes system of care. 490 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,760 But if you're doing what we, you and I think this lady or this individual is talking about, 491 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,200 which is they want to get to children's developmental disability to access that budget, then that 492 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,320 is a separate program. 493 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:17,480 Through Liberty, just like yes, goes through Liberty, Idaho's independent third party assessor. 494 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:23,680 And then they're going to get assessments, which looks like Vineland or VABs or whatever. 495 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:28,180 But yes, you're doing assessments every year for both programs because you need to stay 496 00:26:28,180 --> 00:26:29,880 eligible for both programs. 497 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,600 The only caution that I would say is maybe yes. 498 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,080 What are they utilizing yes for? 499 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:41,680 Like if she's utilizing or they are utilizing yes for respite, then that's something that 500 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:42,880 they won't get. 501 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,760 So Katie Beckett isn't going to provide them anything that they wouldn't normally get from 502 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:47,760 the yes program. 503 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,760 Right. 504 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:54,880 But the yes program maybe have a couple things that you wouldn't have from dysnormals. 505 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,560 But if you want DD, then yeah. 506 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,640 If you want DD to... 507 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,440 I wasn't trying to make it harder. 508 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:07,560 I'm trying to think yes has a couple of things that traditional Katie Beckett wouldn't offer 509 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,560 families. 510 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,960 And that's because that is necessary for children with serious emotional disturbances to have 511 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,280 those respite hours built in. 512 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,240 But let's say you have yes. 513 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,920 And again, now I'm just taking this way, way out there. 514 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:22,920 That's cool. 515 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:23,920 That's what we do. 516 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,900 You have youth empowerment services, which is yes. 517 00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:34,200 You have the 1915 I waiver and now you're like, oh, what? 518 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,720 I need X, Y and Z. But that's... 519 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:37,960 No, I don't know where I'm going. 520 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:38,960 I'll have to edit this out. 521 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,800 I thought I had it in my brain and then it just whoosh. 522 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:42,960 I thought you were going there too. 523 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:43,960 I know. 524 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,560 I lost my train of thought. 525 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,560 The train was going down the tracks and then it just... 526 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,080 The final question. 527 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,120 The final question. 528 00:27:54,120 --> 00:28:00,720 I'm actually really excited about this because somebody out there used our form in the description 529 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:07,400 box of every episode is a form that says, if you have a topic you want us to discuss 530 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,640 or you have any kind of feedback or something you want to hear more of or less of, please 531 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:12,640 let us know. 532 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:13,640 Awesome. 533 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:14,640 And somebody used it? 534 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:15,720 And someone used our form. 535 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,600 So we have a listener question. 536 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,600 All right. 537 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:24,840 And the question is, what are good books to read to your child during their bedtime routine? 538 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:30,240 They just want some extra feedback from parents brought to you by parents like you. 539 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,240 Right? 540 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,240 I'll go first. 541 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,240 Okay. 542 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,240 Because I... 543 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,240 I've read books for a long time. 544 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,840 I'm a really big reader. 545 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,880 And there are... 546 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:40,880 Okay. 547 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,560 So I could go forever on this topic. 548 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,560 Let's be real. 549 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:51,400 There are some really beautiful, beautifully illustrated books that can suck you in. 550 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,860 And it depends on how much time. 551 00:28:53,860 --> 00:28:56,280 What does your bedtime routine look like? 552 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,280 Right? 553 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,280 Are you... 554 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:04,240 Do you have an hour or do you have 25 minutes and you just want to read because you read 555 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:09,500 a statistic that said that children, by the time they hit kindergarten, they could have 556 00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:12,680 heard this many words if you read to them every night. 557 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:13,680 Right? 558 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:14,960 So what is your capacity? 559 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,400 How much time do you have? 560 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:22,840 There are beautiful books like Children's Shakespeare or Charles Dickens. 561 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,620 And those are really, really, really cool. 562 00:29:25,620 --> 00:29:30,000 But books that my kids loved are those books for babies. 563 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:37,360 So artificial intelligence for babies, robotics for babies, engineering for babies, biology 564 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,360 for babies. 565 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,360 You get where I'm going here. 566 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:45,880 And they take experts in the field and they write it for really young learners and they 567 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,960 are bored books. 568 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:53,480 But I would say that they're good for anywhere between one year and probably even five. 569 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,480 Wow. 570 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,760 Because the way that they're written and the illustrations that they use, the illustrations 571 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,720 are very basic and simple. 572 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,360 It is not a noisy, flashy book. 573 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,400 But the one that really sticks out to me, the one that my kids loved and read the most 574 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,000 was robotics for babies. 575 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,120 And it started with like, this is a ball. 576 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,040 How do I make this ball? 577 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,720 How do I make this ball faster? 578 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,760 Oh, I would need a machine. 579 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,960 The machine made the ball, but the machine didn't make the ball symmetrical. 580 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,540 What can we do the machine to make the ball symmetrical? 581 00:30:23,540 --> 00:30:28,160 And it goes on and on and on through the process until you've taught the child how to make 582 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,040 a robot basically. 583 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,160 And my kids love that. 584 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:37,200 They are very process oriented, very pattern oriented. 585 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,360 And this book assumes competence, right? 586 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,360 It just is like, you want to know how to make a robot? 587 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,360 Why would you make a robot? 588 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,640 Well, here's a perfect example of why we would have needed a robot. 589 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,640 And here's how we make it. 590 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:49,640 Was it like a series? 591 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:50,640 Like a board? 592 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,640 Like, does it all come together or? 593 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,640 You can buy like five or so books, I think, in a series, but they're all done individually. 594 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:58,640 Another one. 595 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,280 That's a good, I'm just thinking that's a good baby gift. 596 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,280 Like, I was up to give that out. 597 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,280 It is a really good baby gift. 598 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,920 And there's another one called the ABCs of Biology. 599 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:05,920 Okay. 600 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:13,280 And it was never as big of a hit with my children as the robotics book was. 601 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,820 But the reason I loved it is because it was scaffolded. 602 00:31:16,820 --> 00:31:20,940 So if you have a really young child, you would just say the ABCs and point to the picture. 603 00:31:20,940 --> 00:31:26,080 If you have an intermediate level child, you could say the ABCs, point to the picture and 604 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,840 read a sentence about it. 605 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,640 And then the third level was like a more descriptive. 606 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,480 And it really took it in levels. 607 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,480 And it was so cool to see my kids go, it looks like there's more words there. 608 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,080 We're ready to hear about those now. 609 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:46,420 And so it really allowed you to go at your, allowed you to go at the kids pace. 610 00:31:46,420 --> 00:31:49,480 And I loved that so much. 611 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:55,800 And then the last book, the last book I'll say is A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood. 612 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,200 One of the Mr. Rogers books. 613 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:04,440 And it is, it's drawn pictures, so it's not photos. 614 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,760 Because for some reason, photos aren't a big hit for my kids. 615 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,560 It can't be like a book of kids doing things like a social story might be. 616 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,560 They want illustrations. 617 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,200 They need illustrations. 618 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:20,360 And so it's, it's essentially Daniel Tiger's Mr. Rogers neighborhood. 619 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,200 And they, it's like little poems and stuff. 620 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,200 And they love it. 621 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,200 I love it. 622 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,900 Maybe I love it more than they love it, but they're not here to correct me. 623 00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:29,600 So I'm just going to assume we all love it. 624 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,280 Do you have a book like that, that your kids just loved? 625 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:40,320 So my kids all loved and I don't, so my husband had a Peter Pan book that his mom read to 626 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,320 him. 627 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,960 And it was really, and we would read about three pages each night and each with each 628 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:46,960 kid. 629 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,040 And then it was really fun because so we did it for our daughter. 630 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,180 And then when we started reading it to our second son, our daughter was like, I want 631 00:32:54,180 --> 00:32:56,780 to come and do that because she would remember. 632 00:32:56,780 --> 00:33:02,000 So it's the Peter Pan was very big in our family and we read it with all of the kids 633 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,760 and everybody kind of all scaffolded on like, I mean, it wasn't scaffold, but everybody 634 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:07,760 loved it so much. 635 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,680 It was like a memory of their childhood. 636 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,220 So we, but I think, but I think that what you said is really important. 637 00:33:13,220 --> 00:33:17,780 And when you're trying to decide a book to read to your child is it has to be something 638 00:33:17,780 --> 00:33:21,560 that you're interested in too, because they pick up on that real quick. 639 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,800 And they're like, Oh my gosh, you like this book too? 640 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:24,800 I want to be just like you. 641 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,160 I want to like this book and then they really start to like that book on their own accord. 642 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,960 But they got bought into it because the parents were really, and that is, yes, that is so 643 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:38,040 why they were bought in because he would act out and he would read and, and, and it put 644 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,120 so much into it. 645 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,300 And dad never did really the books with the kids. 646 00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:43,880 This was the one book that he did. 647 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,840 I read the board books and I loved the hippos books. 648 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,600 It was like the hippos could go berserk and hippos have a belly button. 649 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,360 And I don't remember any really, really. 650 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:59,600 I was in the olden days like a long time ago, cause my daughter's 19 now, but those books, 651 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:00,600 they stayed the whole time. 652 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:01,600 I don't know. 653 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,500 And the hippo, there was a hippos go to bed and the, but now that you're saying are those 654 00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:06,500 the Sandra? 655 00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:07,500 Yes. 656 00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:08,500 Yes. 657 00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:09,500 Okay. 658 00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:10,500 Yes. 659 00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:11,500 A whole line of hippo books. 660 00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:12,500 Oh, maybe I was like into hippos. 661 00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:13,500 I don't know. 662 00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:18,240 But I think that maybe they did the opposite that I was supposed to do before bed because 663 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:21,280 I would get so into those books and then it was berserk. 664 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,520 And like we would just go wild. 665 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,920 And now I'm realizing that wasn't a very good bedtime routine. 666 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:27,920 It's not, it's not very calming. 667 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:28,920 It's not calming. 668 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,360 It's not calming at all, but it's what we did. 669 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,360 So I don't know. 670 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:34,360 Whoops. 671 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,360 So don't take my advice. 672 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:36,360 Read those in the morning. 673 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,360 Okay. 674 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:44,160 But when you're talking about books to calm you down, my mom will watch my children, you 675 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,240 know, like grandparents do every so often, they'll take the kid for the night or for 676 00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:48,480 the weekend. 677 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,960 And I told her, I was like, you know, I read to my kids at bed and they're going to kind 678 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,040 of expect that because it's their routine. 679 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,880 So I brought you a book. 680 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,120 I mean, no pressure, but just so you know, they're going to ask for it. 681 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,500 And my mom said, you know, essentially, absolutely not. 682 00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:09,680 But what she did do and they loved it was I thought she was playing an audio book because 683 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,760 my kids were like, we listened to a book and I'm like, audio book. 684 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,760 Great. 685 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,960 I'm glad that you liked it. 686 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,480 We'll incorporate that into our routine. 687 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,440 She wasn't listening to an audio book. 688 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:27,240 She was on like the calm app or asleep apps and she was listening to Matthew McConaughey 689 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:28,680 like narrate something. 690 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,640 And my kids were falling asleep to that. 691 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,640 All right. 692 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:32,640 All right. 693 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,920 They were falling asleep to Matthew McConaughey. 694 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,520 Like I was inside of a coffee shop. 695 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,520 What? 696 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:39,520 And it was stuck. 697 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,720 And it was like, it was like a sleep thing for adults and they loved it. 698 00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:47,160 And so the opposite of what I thought would happen happened. 699 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,480 So instead of my kids going, grandma, we need to read a book. 700 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:51,480 That's our routine. 701 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,600 The kids came home to me and said, you got to play Matthew McConaughey for me to go to 702 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,600 sleep. 703 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:02,520 So now we will have nights where Matthew McConaughey speaks until my children fall asleep. 704 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,400 I was okay. 705 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,080 I'm there for that surprise. 706 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,080 Well, grandma's doing things. 707 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,080 Grandma's doing things. 708 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:19,160 Gosh, we're user assistive technology. 709 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,120 Thank you so much, everyone out there for listening in. 710 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:27,820 If you are in Idaho or planning on moving to Idaho and have any questions on systems 711 00:36:27,820 --> 00:36:32,980 or services for children with disabilities, please consider reaching out to us on our 712 00:36:32,980 --> 00:36:45,320 website at iPoll Idaho, that's I-P-U-L Idaho dot org or by calling us at 208-342-5884. 713 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,960 Be sure to tune in next time. 714 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,960 Until then, this has been Unlimited Parenting. 715 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:49,960 Thanks for listening. 716 00:36:49,960 --> 00:37:04,040 highs