Welcome to Unlimited Parenting, where we discuss having children with disabilities or special
health care needs.
My name is Allison and I am so excited to be joined today by certified professional
life coach, advocate, and now author Susanna Peace Lovell to discuss her book, Your True
Self is Enough.
So let's jump right into the conversation.
Thank you so much for being here.
We so appreciate your time and having you here.
Before we kind of take a dive into your book and ask you those sorts of questions, I was
hoping you could just take a minute to kind of describe your journey and introduce yourself.
Yeah, sure.
I would love to do that.
Well, firstly, my name is Susanna Peace Lovell
I am a mother.
I am a single mother supporting one daughter.
I have actually, she just turned 18, so she likes to be referred to as a legal adult now.
Her name is Arizona.
My life and my work are very connected, so everything is sort of integrated and intertwined
and everything is the same.
So it's fun.
It's interesting.
It's fun.
I advocate for disability families.
I'm a coach, a life coach for disability families.
I do a lot of speaking engagements and workshops and retreats.
I'm an author, as you can see.
My first published work is right there on the table, which is actually mostly memoir,
but it's sort of split up as anecdotal stories of my journey raising a child that was unexpected
in many ways in terms of my vision, my own vision that I had for my own motherhood.
And then I also include at the end of each chapter a little bit of sort of hints and
tips around truth corners, if you will.
My vision that I know now that I wish I had known back then.
And it's not just facts and figures.
It's also just leaning into spiritual awakenings and opportunities and the possibility of just
stretching and growing and transforming even in the discomfort and the hard times.
So yeah, I'm so happy to be here.
This is absolutely not what I expected for my own life at this juncture.
But I have to say it has been such an amazing journey in terms of my own growth and evolution.
And I'm so grateful that I am not numb to this life because of this life.
So that's me.
And I'm here.
I'm here in Los Angeles, California, but I'm also everywhere online.
So perfect.
You mentioned that too about being a single parent with support.
Can you describe more about that?
I did not start off as a single mother.
So I was married and I was married to Arizona's dad for quite some time.
When she was around seven or eight, we separated and got divorced.
She primarily lives with me, I would say 97% of the time, full time.
So by single supporting, I mean that I am sort of doing the day to day, but I do have
support from my ex-husband and he's very much involved in our daughter's life.
I just happen to be doing the day to day.
So I feel like that's a lot in terms of not just having someone else to bounce things
off of in the moment.
That makes sense and or at 3 a.m. if Arizona is having a worry and waking up multiple times
in the night.
So that's been a little bit challenging in terms of not having that sort of partnership,
but it's a different kind of partnership.
And what I have learned in this life is that everything that I expected to happen in my
life has sort of veered off path and created a new path that I didn't even know existed.
So here I am in partnership with Arizona's father in a different way, if that makes sense.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Just speaking about that in your life transitioning in ways that you had no idea would come about.
What do you like to share most with families who are just new to this world and getting
their diagnosis?
You know, first of all, man, life can be tricky.
We are ultimately not in control.
I know that a lot of us think that we are.
I am very much type A control freak.
I have been my entire life and it's kind of almost funny.
Like, well, of course, then I would be in a situation where I would have to I would
have the ability to learn how to not be so controlling.
But it's really challenging to take ourselves out of it.
But I think that's something that's very important for us to do as much as we possibly can.
Number one, so that we can be as present as possible in each moment and just leaning into
the child that we have or the children that we have that came through us and to us so
that we can just learn to honor them for exactly who they are.
And so leaning into their world, getting into their world and just being like, you are just
this perfect and amazing, perfectly intact soul, you know, that was brought into my life
in this lifetime.
And so being able to be present and then number two, really just, you know, practice, practice,
practice of taking our our ego out of everything.
It's really hard sometimes, but to just be like, listen, just because this person, you
know, was born to meme doesn't mean that I get to decide what their likes and dislikes
are going to be and how their behavior is going to be.
You know, we have all of these preconceived notions.
A lot of us do, you know, before we're parents of like, well, that's going to be my little
mini me, you know, and and they're going to like this sport and they're going to want
to go to dance class and they're going to want to wear their hair, girly, you know,
whatever it is.
Right.
We have these preconceived notions and, you know, honestly, like desires.
Right.
We have these wishes like we want, you know, our children to be a perfect way, behave a
perfect way or whatever it is, be kind and generous, all of these fun things, but also
super smart and, you know, straight A's and well, anyway, that was your cancer.
I mean, why not?
Right.
I mean, all of the above.
Right.
When Wimbledon, I guess, you know.
So so, yeah, I just feel like it's such an opportunity to sort of take a breath and take
a step back.
I know it's so hard like getting that diagnosis, any diagnosis where you're just like, well,
I don't I don't know what to do next.
That's not what I planned for.
Right.
That's not, you know, that's not what I trained for, whatever it is to be a mom.
You know, that's I don't know that, you know, I don't know food allergies.
Like that was the first, you know, sort of journey in my role of parenting Arizona.
Like she was allergic to everything.
And I was like, I don't know how to do that.
You know, and there's a chapter about that in the book.
Right.
What do you expect when you're expecting there's no chapter about allergies or disabilities
or man.
And you know, I read that so religiously to I was and especially when I was pregnant,
because I was like, OK, what's going to happen next?
You know what I mean?
When is my morning sickness going to go away?
It didn't, by the way, for me.
You know, I was throwing up for seven and a half months and that wasn't in the book
either.
What am I supposed to do?
Right.
Where do I go next?
I hear a lot of parents say, you know, it's like a grieving process when you get that
diagnosis.
Did you feel that way?
You know, I did not have I had sort of a delayed response.
So just a little bit of background in terms of grieving and mourning.
I will say that I suffered quite early on when my daughter was born with postpartum
anxiety and depression.
And for me, that had nothing to do with her disability or diagnosis, because I didn't
know any of that yet.
It was just this morning of like my life as it once was and feeling like, gosh, I can't
I'm just I just don't have much as much agency as I used to in terms of like, you know, traveling
and doing all the things.
Right.
Just everything felt very everything changed like overnight.
I mean, I was like, wait a minute, what happened to my independence?
I don't I'm I'm missing that.
So but so because I had already sort of been down in the dumps and never kind of really
got out of it, I feel like the the diagnosis, the actual diagnosis and actually, I should
say diagnoses because there were many of them didn't really take me out.
In that sense, I felt like initially, because I was so depressed in my own life of just
feeling like a failure as a mother and just not finding joy being a mother to a child
that cried all day every day, I just couldn't find joy.
I couldn't access joy.
I just felt like, OK, well, now there's this diagnosis, but I'm also being given all of
these instructions like she needs to be in occupational therapy and speech therapy.
And so I felt like very much like, OK, so now maybe I can make up for being such a failure
of a mother to now being able to do something to help my child.
So within me rose this, I don't know, warrior spirit, something of like, just go get them.
Like now I know now I have my marching papers.
So now I mean, my mind is I'm I'm I'm a hot mess.
OK, so I literally was like, you know, let me now fill up this time, you know, sort of
redeeming myself because I've had such a hard time so far as a mother.
And my daughter was about two and a half years at this point.
And so I just went went, I just was like, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, you know.
And that gave me some sort of purpose, you know.
And then as I was moving along in the process, you know, that that grief did come up.
It started bubbling to the surface when I was able to really like slow down and be in
in silence and sit still, which was very uncomfortable and not something that I love to do.
But ultimately, that is what happened.
And so I have had to me grief in this process has been so cyclical, you know, it's like
you have these moments where I think I got this, you know, I think things are OK.
My daughter seems regulated and, you know, happy and leaning into the things that are
of interest to her. And then there's, you know, then there's a shift and change, you
know, so many different stages and chapters just in motherhood and just in parenting in
general, just in life in general. Right.
So it is man. It is. Yeah. I just never ending. It is. Yeah. It's never ending. And so we
always get the opportunity to practice and try again. Like every morning there is a new
one. I just feel like, wow, OK, I messed up today. I was not at my best today. And guess
what? We're going to we're going to try again tomorrow.
I'd like to hear more about something that you just mentioned, your mantra of find your
joy. What what are you meaning by that?
Yeah. And well, first of all, I will say that I feel like I teach and I speak about what
I most need to learn and what I am continuing to learn on this journey we call life with
all of its ups and downs and unexpected, you know, things that happen. Finding your joy.
To me, that is something that I've always tried to lean into in terms of, you know,
how can I even just get through this moment? How can I get through this next hour? The
days have been very, very long for me on this journey. The years have gone by like that.
But the days and the minutes have been so torturously, painstakingly long and especially
in the early days. And so I would just in order to sort of keep myself going, I was
like, OK, all right, let me just find my joy today. Like, what is joy going to look like
for me today? Even if it's just a glimmer, like a little snippet, what can that look like
for me today? And often it had to do with like, what am I going to make for lunch? You
know, or, you know, how am I going to support myself when my daughter is taking one of her
30 minute catnaps because she never took naps during the day? Right. What am I going to
do during that 30 minutes? That is not a house chore. You know, what can I how can I find
some time to write in something in my journal? Right. Well, you know, that to me has always
been like very supportive. So, yeah, I mean, it's it's it's just, you know, having the
intention around I am seeking out whatever joy can be available to me today in this moment,
next week, you know, short term, long term. Sometimes it looks differently every day and
in every moment. And so, you know, I am just constantly trying to access something that
will help me move forward sometimes and especially when it's tough. But then, you know, what
what's beautiful and so amazing is that over time you realize that you've created this
little toolbox of different types of support that can help you to access your joy maybe
a little bit sooner or quicker. You know, maybe the bounce back is not so so lengthy
in terms of having a challenge or a downtime, you know. And by the way, those downtimes
are OK, too. Like we just have to lean into what is real and true for us in each moment.
But I mean, I like today I'm going to have a delicious glass of I'm going to have some
diet coke with my lunch like to me. That's a little with a lot of ice. Like that's a
treat for me. So, you know, absolutely. And I have found on my own personal, you know,
self care, soul care journey, right, that the more little moments of happiness that
you find and you take, the more you find around you. Yes. So the more I choose to recognize
it, the more I see it for myself. Absolutely. And again, it's part of that like muscle that
we're practicing. And then all of a sudden, things show up. It's almost like, you know,
a new lens. All of a sudden, you're like, oh, my gosh, I looked up at the sky yesterday.
Honestly, I was just looking up the sky and I was like, wow, that cloud formation is phenomenal.
You know, right. I mean, how how often do I say that? Not often. I just happen to look
up and be like, wow, you know, I'm alive and breathing in this moment. So listen, it could
be a big thing, it could be a little thing, it could be, you know, a one off thing. But
yeah, I absolutely agree with you. You know, what we are seeking and seeking us in return.
And I feel like we'll just these moments will pop up. And it's so awesome. So fun. There's
another facet to this conversation in reading your book that I found so interesting. And
that's culture. How do you think that culture plays in the experience of families who are
supporting children with disabilities? Yeah. Oh, my goodness. I mean, culture. Yeah, I
feel like shifts, you know, the conversation, the perspective, I feel like though, you know,
the way that I have experienced motherhood here in, you know, the United States and actually
more specifically in Los Angeles, California, because I feel like we are also a different
country, to be honest. And I you know, this is where I have to be right now. And I'm I'm
grateful. And I, you know, I'm grateful. And I feel like, especially here, there is this
idea and this notion that, that women and mothers really need to be able to do it all,
you know, like all of the time. And by the way, don't complain and, you know, try to
be as cute as possible. Right. And, you know, by any means, don't accept help. You know,
like that's just, you know, that's just instant failure. So I just feel like there's like
this culture around, you know, we revere the suffering sometimes, you know, it's almost
like, you know, we get into these conversations, especially as new moms or, you know, even
now, I mean, I just feel like even sometimes for myself, even though I'm trying to be as
conscious as possible, we just get pulled into these conversations where it's almost
like we're playing like the hardship Olympics. Right. Right. You're trying to one up the
next person. Right. Right. You know, my my nanny canceled today and you know, now I have
to take three kids to three different schools and whatever, you know, it's like, oh, yeah,
well, my husband's traveling, you know, it's so it's just it's kind of almost like that's
what's revered and admired. And I just want to shift this narrative so much. I leaned
into this very much as a new mom, like, oh, I shouldn't. Why should I need help? I'm like
taking a break from working like I'm on maternity leave. I might not even go back. In fact,
my former husband and I had planned for me to stay at home at least for the near term
when Arizona was born. And I felt so lucky and blessed that we had planned for that financially.
And yet and still I was like, oh, my gosh, this is so hard. And and I also was telling
myself at the same time, yeah, OK, but you're not working or doing anything else. Like all
you have to do is take care of the baby. Hush your trap. You know what I mean? I mean, these
were the voices in my head. And so as I was like, you know, taking my daughter out in
the public, you know, on walks or trying to, you know, just get out of the house. And she
cried all the time incessantly. I mean, she cried for the first 18 months of her life
nonstop because of her food allergies, which, you know, turned into like head to toe eczema
and rashes. And I mean, it was it was it was tough times back then. And yet and still I
was again having this self-talk of like, OK, but don't ask for help. You know, do it yourself
and don't complain. This is what you wanted. You wanted to be a mom, you know, and now
you get to be mom. How entitled are you to, you know, need help and support when you're
not, you know, bringing home the bacon? Like you're not supporting. You're not doing anything.
I mean, that's what I thought. OK. And that's what a lot of us think, you know. And so we
suffer in silence. It's like we're we're dying on the vine. You know, do you think that that
was maybe the impetus or the vision kind of behind your book is it's just to get that
message out to more to more families that you don't need to live in that, you know,
cycle in your head that you can break out. And here's kind of how I did it. For sure.
I mean, I again, one of the reasons why I wrote this book, well, there were multiple
reasons, but one of them really was because when I was first going through the initial
diagnosis process with Arizona and everything else that comes along with it, I was like,
I am I am just like alone out here. I feel so isolated. I feel like I'm on an island.
I'm the only person on this island. I mean, this wasn't that long ago, but it was 18 years
ago. You know, a lot of things have shifted and changed since then in terms of support
and resources and what we're talking about. But I was definitely like I would have liked
to have met just one other mom, you know, not a professional, no, not a doctor, not
a pediatrician, not a therapist. I wanted to at least have heard from one other mom,
like everything is going to be OK. Like, you know, might not seem OK right now. Might not
look OK or feel OK, but it will be OK. Things are going to shift and change because you're
going to be able to shift and change. But I didn't have any kind of road map. There
was no blueprint. There was nothing there was. There wasn't even like what to do after
you get a diagnosis, not even like a one sheet like fact sheet of anything. It was just like,
OK, well, I mean, you know, it's like when Arizona was first diagnosed with the psychologist
at the regional center, you know, I brought her in because I was having concerns about,
you know, her behavior and her intention and what she was doing. And I just I didn't know
what was going on. And and as soon as I walked in, you know, they were like drilling her
with questions. And she was like, huh, what's very confused. Right. What's going on? Who
are you? And the psychologist was like, oh, she failed that one. Failed that question.
Oh, failed that one. You know, I was like, this is horrific. And and she was like, well,
this looks a lot like autism. But, you know, you know that. Right, mom. And I was like,
no, I that's why we're here. I don't know anything. It was absolutely isolating, frightening,
debilitating. Yeah, it was demoralizing. All of the above. It was I was like gut punched
over and over and over again in this process. And it was it was really challenging. So I
wanted to be some sort of light. And that's actually why I became a coach, because I felt
like so many people were reaching out to me, asking me for advice or help or, oh, you know,
I have a friend whose son was just diagnosed. Oh, my cousin's daughter just, you know, got
a diagnosis. Can you talk to them? And so I realized, like, this is actually a very
supportive service that I'm offering and not because I have, like, you know, 10 Ph.D.s,
but rather because I don't, by the way, I don't even have one. Yeah, but
I have a Ph.D. and lived experience. I feel like I do. I have a Ph.D. and that's right
in parenting Arizona. But that's it. And so I wanted to, again, like be like some sort
of beacon of light or touch point or like, yeah, I'm a real person living this. And that's
how I get actually all of my clients are all referral based. And wow. Primarily, it's like,
ah, we feel like you see us, you know, and I'm like, yeah, I mean, we have different,
you know, experiences and different situations, but ultimately it's a it's an altered motherhood.
You know, absolutely. Do you in saying that, do you think that that's how the format for
the book, Your True Self is Enough came about that part memoir part guidebook? Was that
just another attempt at you kind of guiding families? Yeah. And actually, too, this is
an interesting journey of even publishing this book because what you have there on your
table is probably in its like seventy fifth iteration. Right. So initially when I say,
oh, yes, I love that. I said it next to the tissues because you might need them when you
read some of the truth corners. Yeah, I know. I I started, you know, just as this cathartic
process of doing this, you know, kitchen sink dump. Like I literally wrote everything. And
like I mentioned earlier, I'm a journal or so I've been journaling since I was 13. So
I have everything just, you know, all of the moments and the feelings captured on paper.
And so I had it. We used to be like 300, 350 pages of just dumping, dumping, dumping, dumping
every single detail, every single day. And then and I started this process about 10 years
ago. So when Arizona was around seven, eight and as she grew older and I was, you know,
working on the book and sometimes I would have to take a long break because it was such
an emotional right and can be very triggering for me sometimes. And I, you know, sometimes
I need to keep moving forward in my life. And so I had to take some breaks from time
to time. But, you know, as I was working on the book, you know, Arizona was like getting
older. Right. And she was becoming more aware and cognizant of of what I was writing about.
And I was always very trying to be as transparent as possible. Like this, I'm trying to tell
my story to share with other families and parents, you know, some hopeful tips potentially.
And and she really was like, yeah, I don't want you to tell a story about, you know,
fill in the blank. And I don't want people to, you know, I'm, you know, mommy, I'm embarrassed
and I don't do it right. So to the point that, you know, my I had this vision in my head
since, you know, I was on the acupuncture table when Arizona was like five or six that
I was going to write this book called A is for Arizona. Like the title was so clear because
all of her diagnoses happened to start with the letter A. Right. Even with the allergies
and the asthma, you know, autism spectrum disorder, ADHD, auditory processing disorder
and anxiety. Everything was the letter A. And I just wanted to be like, oh, but no,
but A is for Arizona. It's not for all these diagnoses. And she was like, yeah, you can't
use my name. Is that why you refer to her as A in the novel? That's why I refer to her
as A in the book. And she's by the way, totally okay with me talking about Arizona. You know,
as I'm having this conversation with you openly and she's like, well, why don't you, why don't
you call it A is for Ariana? And I was like, because that doesn't, that doesn't connect
with me. Like, so then, you know, our compromise though, in order to be able to put this out
in the world, because she was very adamant at, you know, a certain period of time where
she was like, nope, you can't write this book, sorry. And I was like, oh, but I mean, if
I sell some books, maybe I can buy you an American Girl doll, you know, that's her obsession.
And so we came up with a compromise and that was she wrote the forward, okay. And in that
forward, she was able to tell families what she wants them to be able to know about her
and her journey and this journey. And one of the things that she said in the forward
was I just want people to know mama that your true self is enough. I mean, so period, stop,
period, end of story, done, say no more or whatever the young people say, say less, say
less, low key, say less, low key. Oh my gosh. Oh my goodness. Right. So I was like, well,
there we have it. And it is, I think that works for me. And I, you know, it's something
that I need a constant reminder of daily. And the rest is history. Yeah, right. So that's
how that came about. When you're talking about, you know, writing a memoir and in some of
the things that you had just said, it sounds a lot like you're taking these decompression
breaks as it was, because it's almost like you're confronting your demons when you're
writing this book a little bit. You're really laying your whole life out for people. Is
that part of the reason that the book includes the truth corners is kind of you leveling
with yourself almost? Yes. Yes, absolutely. And I wanted to also make sure that even though
I am, you know, was trying to tell my truth as vulnerably as possible, I also wanted to
just also just like, and by the way, I just need to remind you that I am still a human
being. Like, I don't know what I'm doing most of the time. Like I have not figured anything
out. You know, at every stage of this parenting journey, something new has reared its head.
And I'm like, I don't know what that means. And then forget about it. You know, when they
hit puberty, it's like you have to start raising a completely different person. And then, you
know, I'm, you know, in menopause at the same time, it's really fun, you know? So it like
keeps you on your toes. But I, but I did, you know, the truth corners for me were like,
okay, listen, you know, these are some hints and tips that may or may not work for you.
And at the end of the day, it's like, lean into what is good for you, because what is
good for you is good for the universe, period. And what is good for you is good for your
child and your children. And what is great for you is great for your child or children
and everyone around you. It is just absolutely unequivocally, you know, a fact if we can
really lean into that messaging. And so I just never want anyone to feel like, ugh,
well, I can't do that. She told me to find my joy. I can't find my joy. Yeah, forget
the joy. Survival is a feat sometimes. Let's, let's even just decide like, you know, I
want to be here tomorrow. I want to see what tomorrow brings, you know? And it just really
is, it can, it's a very sort of, you know, it's, it's an inner journey that, that we
can choose and lean into and everything is okay. And you are not wrong. And there's nothing
broken, you know? There's nothing to fix with the way that you're feeling. It's just, we
are human beings meant to, you know, have reactions and responses to all of these different
facets of, of life just coming at us, you know? There is a, a lot of what you're saying
really resonates with me where I am personally in my journey with three autistic children,
but it also reminds me of something I've been seeing a lot on the internet, which is kind
of this moment when youth in their teens realizing, you know, like, this is my mom's first time
too. She's just a girl. She is trying to figure it out while also being here for me. This
is her journey too. And I've been, I feel like that, that was kind of your book for
me personally. This is another mom, you know, with a daughter who starts with A just like
me, who's is autistic. And this is, she's experiencing all of this right alongside her
A at the same time. And so it really resonated with me on that deep level. And there's not,
there's honestly not a lot of the memoir type books that have that truth, kind of like real
talk area where it's, you know, like, this is how we battled with allergies. This is
how we battled, you know, there's a lot of, there's a whole kind of section in the book
about what happens with school. Yeah. I'm touring schools and this worked out and this
didn't and, and friends and culture. And it just, that really hit home for me.
Mm hmm. That's so beautiful to hear. Thank you.
Yeah, absolutely. And I know that this is going to be a book that it's, this book to
me kind of seems like one of the books, it's not, you know, you read it and you put it
on your shelf, you know, like, oh, I love this book. It gets, you know, on the highest
tier of my shelf. This is one of those books where you read it and it doesn't stay with
you. You pass it to a friend. Oh, this, I, I've highlighted this chapter for you because
it'll, it's a sisterhood of the traveling book is what I hope this book kind of becomes
because it really is so, it's not just facts. It's not just your story. It's just so inner
woven with, with help and, and joy really. And it's just, it's beautiful. I really liked
it for what it's worth. Going back a little bit earlier to something you had said when
you, when you were feeling lonely and as if you didn't have kind of a network, especially
right after Arizona got her diagnosis at any point in this journey, had you reached out
to the parent training and information center, whether it was in California or if you were
in another state? No. And, and, and in fact, even as we were, became clients of the regional
center, there wasn't any offering in terms of, you know, support group or I had gone
to a few support groups when I was experiencing postpartum depression and anxiety when Arizona
was really young. And I, I had such a, I did not have positive experiences in those groups.
I felt like I needed to be uplifted and I wasn't able to access that in those meetings.
It had nothing to do with everyone else. It's just that I think that I was hoping for like
a lifeline and I wasn't receiving it. I just felt like it was, we were all just talking
about our horrible experiences and I was like, I just, but what do I do? You know what I
mean? Tell me how do I fix it? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So I know nothing was accessible
to me. It wasn't until Arizona, you know, speaking of finding the right learning environment
for your child, you know, had to go through that whole process of like, this is not the
right place and it was a very hard process hearing that your child doesn't fit in like
it's your fault. Right. And so we ended up at this very small therapeutic, you know,
bare bones, like no frills, phenomenal, phenomenal therapeutic preschool and kindergarten. And
that's when they, that's when I was introduced to support groups, like a parent group. And
in fact, it was mandatory. Like if you're going to, if your child is going to be part
of this program, cause they believed in, you know, healing the child by, you know, supporting
the entire family. And so every Thursday morning, 9 a.m. after drop off, we had a mandatory
one hour parent group. And I will tell you, we were there at that school for like two
and a half years and you just make it work. You know, even as you're working or you're
not working, whatever, you just, you just make it work because that's so impactful in
terms of how supportive the program was going to be for the child. And I just remembered
for the first year I would show up at those support groups and I just wept, you know,
I just cried almost the entire, every time I opened my mouth to share something, I'm
like, can't, can't talk, just crying because I just finally felt like I'm in the safe space.
You know, I'm finally building my, my own community, you know, my tribe. I couldn't
find it. I didn't, I didn't know where to find it before now, but it's, it's becoming
clear to me that there are others like me that are out there. Yeah. You know? Yeah.
Well, no more spoilers. The book is Your True Self is Enough by the lovely human mom, author,
speaker, coach, Suzanna Peace-Laville. Thank you.
Thank you so much everyone out there for listening in and know that if you are in Idaho or planning
on moving to Idaho and have questions on systems or services for children with disabilities,
please consider reaching out to us on our website at iPull Idaho. That's I-P-U-L Idaho.org
or by calling us at 208-342-5884. Be sure to tune in next time. Until then, this has
been Unlimited Parenting. Thanks for listening.