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I just want to welcome everybody that is listening throughout all the social media.

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Today is a very special day. We have two very important people for us. Today, we're going

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to be speaking about something that sometimes we don't talk about it. And we're going to

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be talking and I'm going to be making some questions on how is the life behind the scenes

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for every py. So today, we have with us, Mauri Sandoval, Steven Sandoval. Welcome, guys.

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How are you?

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Doing good.

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Doing great. Just ate.

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How was your food, man?

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It was good.

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It was good.

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So for those that maybe don't know, they are under the ministry. They work in the ministry.

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They are involved in ministry. They are in everything that they could be involved in.

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I just want to ask you some questions. How's life behind the scenes for a peaky, for a

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pastor's kid?

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Mauri.

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So, well, more than anything, we took the responsibility as pastor's kids to just support

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our parents. And that's been kind of a process, just learning how to do that the right way.

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It's something that is very tedious at times because even though your parents are your

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parents, you also have to understand that they're your pastors. So that line of not

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crossing like disrespecting or because you're familiar with it because you're your family,

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you need to be able to cut that out of your life and see them as your pastors as well.

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Being in ministry has been a blessing for both of us. We grew up in ministry. We grew

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up doing video and audio and production. So, thank God we've been very involved with many

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ministries. And more than anything, it's beautiful to see how God connects different churches

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and different ministries together. And as pastor's kids, I feel like we have a grace

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that allows us to connect with people a lot easier rather than someone who isn't a pastor's

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kid. It's just a little bit different because obviously who our dad is, but it's also a

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lot of pressure at times because people put expectations on us to live up to a certain

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standard and sometimes that can be very uncomfortable and we sometimes don't like that. And you

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just got to get used to it and just deal with it. But Steve, do you have anything to add

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on to that?

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No, yeah. It's basically the same thing. It was a hard process. I don't know if it was

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for you, but for me, it was a hard process to get used to in terms of being an example.

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Even when we were really young, like a lot younger, there's what now I'm 21, you're

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what, 24?

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So, like even being like 15, we were being put as examples.

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That's hard.

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Even when like pastor wasn't a pastor because he was the leader in the area. So, just being

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in that position was something that not a lot of people go through. So, it was just a hard

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process to figure out how to go through and how to properly manage that and like stick

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to those expectations.

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Let me ask you something in the practical. How do you make sure that you're not crossing

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the line with your parents? How do you make sure that you're not familiar to them? How

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do you know, I guess what I'm trying to know is how do you know when is that speaking and

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when is pastor speaking?

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Well, more than anything, I would like to answer this by saying like a lot of people think,

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oh, at home, he's dad and here he's pastor. It's not really like that.

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Explain that, please.

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With my dad, it's very different. He's always thinking about church, right? And that's not

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a bad thing. I'm just saying like he's always thinking of how to expand the kingdom of God.

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So, his mentality is always, oh, you can do this, we can do that. And then he always relies

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on us a lot. So, we always see that like mutual respect in the sense of I trust you. You know,

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that trust of, so, and I trust you. Can you help me with this? So, that's where I would

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say like me personally, where I see like I can't cross that line because he's my boss,

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but he's also my dad. So, I don't, I look at it as okay, I have all these responsibilities,

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but I don't want to let him down. And also in the spiritual aspect, I receive from him

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because I recognize what he carries and what God has given him. So, I don't want to disrespect

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that or bad or how do you say like manage it wrong, you know, Steve?

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I agree. But one thing I do want to say, it's not like he's not our dad everywhere. Like

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if you're around him or around us, anytime, even at church, he's still our dad. He's still

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messing with us. He's a very loving person. He's always loving on us. And like at home

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here, a lot of people that work with us and see us daily see it daily. And I think that

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also shines through us. But like what Mauricio was saying, I think it's a thing of us acknowledging

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and like recognizing that when he's pastor, we allow that to be ministered into us, you

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know, like we let that happen. We allow it in our hearts more than being like, this is

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my dad and I'm not going to take that. Or I don't want to listen to that or something

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like that, which shouldn't be an idea in any sense. But like being able to tell the difference

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between dad and pastor, I think it's just sometimes could be on the subject and sometimes

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it's just, you can tell when pastors being pastor and pastors being dad, but either way,

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go for a very loving.

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Can you tell me like in a specific time that maybe it was like super hard for you to try

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to understand or, or trying to put a balance, something maybe a specific or during any type

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of situation or any specific year? I don't know.

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Do you want to go first?

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Do you want to go first?

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So we'll keep the trend of you going first.

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For me, for me, it was whenever I see people that are going to hurt my parents. And I don't

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want to overstep because I see how much love they have, or I see people that are going

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to have their own agenda. You get me? And it's going to hurt them. And I've seen them

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hurt a lot, you know, because it happens as a pastor and people who take advantage of

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them. So for me, it's a thing where I had to learn how to bite my tongue and just let

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God show them. Because if it's me telling them, I don't want it to be me, my flesh.

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I want it to be, you know what God, if this is what I see and I perceive, I rather pray

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about it than go tell them. Obviously, there's moments where I'm like, Hey, Dad, like straight

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up, I see this. But there's moments where I'm like, I don't want to say nothing. I'm

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just going to let God show him. And surely enough, God will show him, you know, whether

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it's in a good way or in a bad way. But I think that's a way that like, at least for

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me, I've been tested because I, there's moments where you want to speak up about things and

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there's moments when to do it and when not to do it. And I think learning how to when

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to hold your tongue and when not to speak is very important because it can be a good

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moment. It can be a bad moment. My dad's a human.

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Yeah. And it's hard. I bet it's hard for you guys because you have the, all the trust

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and all the, you know, you are the son. So you can technically can talk about anything

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at any time. But this is what you're saying. I think it brings a lot of direction to many

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piques are listening because since there are in the position of being sons, they think

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they could maybe talk or say anything at any time. So it's really good way to say it.

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Knowing when to speak and how to speak is very important. And knowing that whenever you're

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speaking about someone, it shouldn't be out of all, because I don't like this person.

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It has to be out of, okay, what's happening? Like is, do they have malice in their heart?

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Are they here to hurt my dad or my family or the ministry? Or is it just because, you

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know, not the guy in the person, you have to be able to perceive that and communicate

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and hold your, put your feelings aside and be like, God, what is, what am I, what are

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you speaking to me? Are you showing me like, is this person going to hurt my parents or

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is it me just assuming things? So that's where, at least for me, I'm like very, okay, you

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know what, I'm going to wait. And what I usually do when I feel that way, I start praying. I'm

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like, God, show me. And then shortly enough, God shows me. Well, the majority of the time

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he shows me, okay, this person, you know, has a pure heart or this person's here with

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an agenda or they're here to hurt or they want to, you know, whatever the case may be.

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Stephen, I don't know if you're... Yeah, even like in like a personal aspect, sometimes,

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like you were saying, like it gets kind of hard to tell what's happening or who's speaking

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in that sense. Like if you come with a problem and you're like, Hey, dad, but then he turns

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into a pastor and tries to pastor instead of like just be dad in that moment. But I think

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there again, it's just a thing of understanding like I need this and I need to accept this

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and there's wisdom coming out either way. That's good. You know, and actually like taking

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that wisdom because like at the end of the day, he can tell me whatever he wants, what

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it's my decision on if I take it or not, or if I take an action, whatever he says. That's

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good. You know, so I think that's also something that needs to be like looked at and completely

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understood that it's still our choice to say yes or to say no to whatever they're giving.

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Yeah. Let me ask you something. What do you do when you don't agree? But like let's just

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with something that he just be wrong. Like what do you do when you just hate it? The

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funny thing is not disagree. You hate it. The funny thing is something's going on. I'm

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always right. I'm always the one when we talk about stuff that like kind of brings the logical

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side of like, okay, but can we do this? But then this happens. But then what would this

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happen? I was going to say that. Yeah. Steven's a very logical person. So he thinks, okay,

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the easiest way to fix is like this. I'm more of a, I try to put my place in, I try to put

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myself in that position of like understanding my dad. And like, so I guess it balances out

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because whenever we don't like something, like 90% of the time we agree that we don't

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like it. So you guys agree? We agree and we bring it to him. We come up with a solution

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for it too. So it's not like we're just like, thank you. We don't like this. It's like,

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this is what I think potentially could be some options. Correct. And more than just

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one. And that's one thing that my dad's, we've always done with my dad is like, okay, if

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we don't agree with something, we have to have a solution for it. Yeah. Very good. Like if

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that, okay, let's say he wants to, I don't know an example, he wants to do an event

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somewhere, but it's going to be a hard place to do it. Or there's not enough people supporting

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us as an example, you know, okay, dad, look, instead of doing it here, let's try it over

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here. Or instead of doing this, let's do this, like bringing in a different perspective

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and a different option. And that's something that like, I really thank God because my dad

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has that confidence on us to where he listens to us. And he takes our advice. Which I was

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about to say, it's also really nice because he genuinely takes our opinion and like the

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way that we see things, because we don't just see things in like a ministry aspect, because

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we both work in the production side, right? Yeah. So it's not just like, okay, we're going

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to go to this building, okay, but how would this building work for the event? How will

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everything work out for, you know? So that's like other things that we bring to the table

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that he sometimes he doesn't think about. Yeah. But it's good because then we're all

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communicating and we're all getting it to where it needs to be. That's good. That's

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another thing too. I think that we've done a pretty decent job of having the same heart

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as our dad. That's something that a lot of pastors kids don't have is that's beautiful.

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They don't understand the vision that God placed in their father or in their mother's

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heart. So I think a pastor's kid who has the same heart as their parents is more effective

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than a pastor's kid who more effective, how more effective as support as shoulders, because

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I do believe that being a family is very important in ministry and it's very, it's different.

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You know, whenever you go to a church and the pastor's kid's not involved or he most

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majority of the time pastors kids are the worst kids in the church. I know. Right. They're

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the worst kids. I brought you guys because I know something that we need to speak and

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you guys are such an example in what you do and you need to, in everything that you do,

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because I know that you do it with, with all your heart and you can tell when people are

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just doing their jobs and when you love what you're doing, when your heart is involved.

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So that's something that I really admire from both of you. And I think that we have so much

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to learn from that. And you have so much to impart into P case for this generation, because

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there's so much confusion. Let me ask you something and you can be, you can be honest.

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Nobody's watching. Are you calling to ministry?

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Yeah, it's a first. Yeah.

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100%.

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What happens? No. Let me go back. Do you think every pastor kid, it's called to do ministry?

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No. I don't think so. I, I believe that everyone has their own purpose. If your dad's a pastor,

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that doesn't mean you have to be just like him.

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I agree.

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And that's, and that's, and that's, and that's one of the majority of the reasons why a lot

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of pastors kids leave church.

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Because they, they put that false expectation or people around them or even expectation

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on them.

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Sometimes the pastor does it unconsciously.

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And then they start lifting them up and thinking, okay, I want my kid to be just like me.

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But to me, that's one of the worst things you can do because what you do is you constrict

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You, one thing that my dad has always done with us since we were little, he always told

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us, if you don't want to go to church, you don't have to go to church.

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Since the age of what? 10, 12 years old.

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If my grandparents were at home and I can stay home with my grandparents, he'd be like,

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if you don't want to go stay.

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That's something that he's never forced us to go anywhere.

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He's never forced us to do anything. He's never asked us to help out with media. He

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never asked us to help out with production. It was something that we saw. There was a

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gap and we stepped into it and God gave us the grace and then over time, he gave us the

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passion to do it.

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And I thank God because that's where I feel like we found our purpose in the sense of,

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yeah, supporting my parents, doing all these things, but also it's God given because it

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was a gap, but it's a hard gap to be in. You get me?

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It's really hard and especially being a pastor's kid and like the way I said with the expectations.

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Those false expectations that a lot of pastor's kids have, that's why they go into drugs.

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That's why they start having sex at a young age where they leave the church or they go

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away for many years and go to college and go crazy and then they come back and then

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it's because they put those false expectations and then they reject the calling of God in

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their life because they say, why don't I want to be like my dad and myself?

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And that's one thing that my dad has always taught us is like, you are yourself. You have

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your own calling and you don't have to be like me. He's never put that pressure on us.

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And he's even told us, he's like, you're you. Like Stephen, for example, you know, Stephen

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is very unique.

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He's very different.

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I was going to ask you that. That was my next question. In one minute, can you tell me how

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do you deal with being yourself and versus what people demand or how you should?

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It's going to be funny.

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I love it.

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I love it. I love just being myself because like I've been told before the way I dress

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or the way the way that like my images are very respectful to my parents. But the Lord

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said to come as you are. And that's just the way I am. I believe in just being myself.

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And the Lord wants to see me. He doesn't want to see a mask. He doesn't want to see a fashion

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show. So that's why I'm I have my beanie on, have my jacket on. I'm in sweats. I'm just

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easy.

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You are who you are. And that's who you are. And that's what you show.

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Maudi, tell me one. What do you do when you just want to get get out of everything? When

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you just want to leave? Because sometimes we have those moments. But what do you do?

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How do you calm yourself?

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So how do you deal that pressure?

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I have not quit.

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So how do I put this? I'm a very social person with certain people. And I have a very like

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tight friend group. I'm not saying it's a click. I'm saying it's a friend group. How

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I have people that I trust and I can be myself with you. Yeah, me.

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Or I don't feel like they're judging me or I don't feel like they're they're being them

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so like, like I can't be myself with them.

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You're Maudi's, you know, Maudi's on the wilds.

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Baster son.

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Yeah, you get me? Like I never, you know, I never do anything stupid. But but what I'm

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trying to say is like with my friends, I'm able to be myself, you know, I'm very big on

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guns and hunting and stuff like that. So I like to do that. I also have my other friends

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that I go out with and I go eat. Like, I want to say this like the nicest way, but like

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I have my friends that I like, that's part of my escape. You get me? And sometimes I

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go, you know, hunt or I go spend the night at my friend's house. That's but with my friends,

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they all go to church. I don't have a lot of friends outside of church. They all go to

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church. So we have the same morals, the same values, the same values, everything. So that's

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at least for me, my escape also prayer. Prayer is very important. Having a lifestyle prayer

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is hard. Even as a Pazzer skin, I, I admire my dad for waking up at four in the morning

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and that's very hard for me. I pray mainly at night or on my own, you know, but that's,

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you know, that's my way of escape. Stephen, I'm pretty sure you have a, I do the shower

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tactic, bro.

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Shower or video game.

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Can you please share that? I mean, not, not as specific.

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I'm talking about the prayer, the prayer, praying in the shower. Stephen prays in the

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shower. Stephen has this thing where he, he's funny because I used to get scared whenever

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he would take a shower because he would shut off the lights.

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I shower with the lights off.

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And with worship. But he does it now too. He does it now too. I started like four years

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ago because it's, it's very calming to not have to like see everything around you and

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you could just get in what you need to do.

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That's a little creepy.

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No, it's nice. It's relaxing.

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But he plays worship. We play worship. We leave it like on top of like the, the sink

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on our phone and we're just, that's my time. I'm alone.

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I'm not going to bother you.

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I mean, I have like a little like window. There's a little bit like,

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Oh, there you go.

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Somebody watching you can that and also view games.

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My escape. That's, that's my outlet.

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Stephen can play video games for a while, but it's his way of like de-stressing.

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And with this question, when this question I'm going to end with a purpose, are you saved

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because your dad is a pastor?

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Oh no. That's a great question.

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No, I'm safe because I chose to be saved because I chose to accept Christ.

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And that's something that I chose at a young age and Stephen can probably have the same

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or some answer.

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Yeah. I think one thing growing up as a pastor's kid is like you, this is going to sound weird.

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You can't deny God because of the things that you see happen at church.

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That's so good.

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You know what I mean?

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Yes, that's so good.

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Like you see it happen and you, you can't be like, that wasn't real.

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It's frustrating. Yeah.

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That, that was fake. No, you can't, you can't be like that.

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So I think that pushed me to be like, yeah, this is for real.

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I need to, I need to step into that.

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That's amazing.

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I want to thank you guys for taking this moment.

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I think there's a lot of PKs watching or listening to us right now.

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And I think it's very important that they have some specific tips that you guys gave.

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Is there something else that you would like to share for this future generation of PKs?

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Something and advice, something that would lead them to longevity?

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I think something that's not even just for PKs, but for everyone in general is to just

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give it to God and not be afraid to do that.

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I think that's something like, doesn't matter what it is, even the smallest thing.

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That's definitely something that I had to learn stepping into like new, new things was

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learning to not do it in myself and ask God for strength and have him support me.

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That for sure has helped me just stay focused, stay intact, stay doing what I'm doing, stay

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passionate for what I'm doing for sure.

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And that's amazing.

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I would want to add on to that.

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I have a lot of PKs out there that think that their purpose is tied to their parents.

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It's not always like that.

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I know a great example is the Gamboa brothers who are in upper room.

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Their dad is also a pastor.

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Their dad also has a church, but they're not in their dad's church.

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They're in upper room and they're lifting up a ministry of worship and you get me like

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they're not with their dad.

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They were at one moment and then now they're not, but they're in their purpose.

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So a great example for me is Ronald Maldonado.

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I see how much he supports his dad, how much he loves his dad and that's one example that

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I've always taken is like, you know what?

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I see what he's doing and that's an example for me.

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And we have a beautiful relationship with him and that's at least something that I would

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say is like always look up as a PK, look up to the right people because people are going

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to let you down, but that doesn't mean that you have to judge them.

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You get me?

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You have to look up to like surround yourself with people that you can grow with and they

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can help you guide you in the right direction.

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So that's something very important.

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It doesn't even have to be in your church.

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Yeah.

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It doesn't have to be in your church.

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It can be people outside your church or friends or another pastor, but keeping people around

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you that carry the Holy Spirit.

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I think that's very important.

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That's very good.

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That's very good.

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Thank you guys.

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Thank you everyone.

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Stay connected.

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We have more for you next time.

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God bless you.

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God bless you guys.

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God bless you guys.