You are listening to No PC Allowed, a .k .a.
No Political Correctness Allowed, and I am Mac
Iverson. Tonight we have a special guest, Dennis
Brennan, and he has written the book The D .C.
Swamp Strikes Back. And welcome, Dennis. Thanks,
Mac, for having me. I appreciate it. Yeah, and
I wanted to start off by just asking your purpose
because I will tell you my purpose is in some
small or big way to change the world. That's
why I'm doing the podcast. And imagine this being
your first book. This is something that maybe
is in the back of your mind. I don't know. I
don't want to put words in your mouth here, but
what's your purpose for this book? Well, there's
probably more than one purpose, I guess. Well,
Aaron Burr has been denigrated as the bad guy
over the years in American history. It didn't
help with the musical Hamilton, kind of told
from the point of view of Hamilton. And Burr,
in history, is treated as a traitor. He's charged
with treason a couple times. So I was afraid,
because you see how the media and Trump battle
back and forth, that that's how Trump would be
treated. So I think it's important for people.
to really investigate. That's what I did. Made
sure I documented everything with Trump, with
Burr. If anything was said, you know, whether
it's the news media, other politicians, so forth.
Make sure everything has a reference. And I think
what it does is going forward, people have...
All right, very good. So the commonalities, do
they have, what would you say is like two or
three things that Trump and Burr have in common,
or is that even the point of the book at all?
Yeah, some of it's, you know, there's really
a couple points to it. Yeah, they are. Trump's
dad was also a developer. It's often said that's
how he built his business. He got money from
his dad and started the business, which, God,
I wish I had that. Burr's father started Princeton
University, and he was an attorney. So neither
of these guys were poor. They both went to Washington
kind of naively, thinking that everybody gets
along in Washington, everybody's going to be
your friend. Burr was kind of the toast of D
.C. and the Jefferson administration because
he brought New York in. He switched New York
from, you know, John Adams in the first race,
when Adams and Jefferson ran, to Jefferson in
the second race. And he did that in old -fashioned
politics. Was this a deep state back then, do
you think? You know, I think there was. You know,
we really, even though it was a smaller country,
you had Virginia, which was really the center
of the deep state, at least in the Jeffersonian
time. You know, Jefferson was surrounded by people
like Madison and Monroe, who, you know, they
had this idea that Virginia... as the vice president,
the New Yorker, because had he stayed on as Jefferson's
vice president the second term, it's likely he
would have been the candidate running for president.
You know, that's kind of obvious. So even when
he, even the first term, a lot of the Virginians
wanted to get rid of him and they did everything
they could to run him down with Jefferson. They
were always in Jefferson's air saying you can't
trust Burr. They really didn't want him, you
know, on the tickets for the second race. And
the second race being the... The second time,
Jefferson won. And then the third race was Jefferson's
re -election campaign. And that's when Burr was
dumped from the ticket. And, you know, that's
where a lot of, that's where even more of the
problems came up with the deep state. It was
enough to get them pushed off because now they
could put someone on and eventually have this
Virginia presidency going on for a while. The
deep state, you know, they had a lot of relatives,
you know. You know, some of the U .S. attorneys
that they had placed all over the country, which
came back to haunt Burr when he was charged with
treason in Missouri. The guy charging him, the
U .S. attorney, was a relative of Monroe. And
he was not only—he also owned a newspaper. So
he was doing everything he could to blow up Burr
as a politician in the future. Unfortunately,
a lot of people know history as a bunch of dates
and names and places. Well, not even— Watch jaywalking
or Jesse Waters. They don't even know that. That's
more like my era when I was growing up. But they
don't know much more than that sort of thing.
So just if you kind of give a synopsis of the
Jefferson and Aaron Burr, they were both the
same party, right? Democrat, Republican, that's
what they called themselves. Yes. And then Alexander
Hamilton was a Federalist. And so is there any
connection too much? I know we're talking about
completely different eras between then and now.
Is it Democrat -Republican? How does that work?
A lot of the same thoughts that the Jefferson
people had are what today's Republican Party
is. But no, the parties have changed so much,
I wouldn't connect it that way anymore. But yeah,
a lot of times when you read about Jefferson,
you're like, wow, he was right about these things.
But that comes from people that are Republican
in nature, saying he's right on these things.
Yeah, kind of a projection. Yeah. And I think,
you know, you're right. We think history, we
don't learn much. Aaron Burr, which was what
fascinated me, what I knew about Aaron Burr was
that there was a duel with Alexander Hamilton.
Right. Who, you know, Hamilton and Burr didn't
like each other. It goes back to New York. Hamilton,
there were really five families in New York,
much like the Mafia. And they were in politics
there. Right. The Mafia is still around. he was
an outsider. So I think the problem is, you know,
in history, what we remember is, oh, you have
this duel. I think everybody learns that in school
at some point. We don't learn much else. If I
learned about the, what was called the Burke
conspiracy, I forgot about it until I started
really researching for the book. And that, you
know, occurred, that's what he was charged with
treason for twice. The allegation being that
he was going to form his own army, take the army
westward and fight Spain, Spain at the time controlled.
What's now known as, you know, the southwest
part of the United States, California, Arizona,
several other states around there, and Mexico.
And, you know, and start a war with them. That's
what they tried him for treason for. You know,
he was the beneficiary of a technicality, I guess,
in the law. You know, you need two witnesses
to place you in the conspiracy. And when he was
tried the second time, the Supreme Court justice
who oversaw the case, John Marshall, he said,
if you don't have two witnesses, you're out of
luck. the prosecutor and he acquitted him you
know and i think you know to some extent donald
trump had some good fortune with some of the
judges uh during his many trials he had some
bad luck too in new york but you know the florida
the federal judge was good for him um i think
even the judge in georgia was okay but those
you know following the law is it seems like a
lost art among some judges any longer oh yeah
definitely whisper a heroic figure would you
say in any way Revolutionary War George Washington
he was very close to Washington who loved him
um you know he was um it's kind of forgot because
you're obviously everybody knows about George
Washington in the Revolutionary War but it was
heroic and that he did fight um in the Revolutionary
War as many of them did but he didn't have you
know like Alexander Hamilton had kind of a soft
job in the military Yeah. So I believe we live
in a fallen world and corruption is a never -ending
battle. Is the swamp inevitable? You know...
with the CIA and FBI, and some believe he was
killed for it. And it goes back to Teddy Roosevelt,
even Lincoln, that there was a swap then. So
it seems like they've always had their hands
on everything. I think now we have it, and some
people ask, how come Trump hasn't gotten rid
of it? It comes back to that question of inevitability.
I think one person or even one party. That would
be part of the big problem. What about the idea
of just getting rid of political parties because
they seem like such a narrowing funnel, like
a funnel of all the special interests going to
one side and, okay, we have to fight the other
side now. We've got to get a bunch of money.
Oh, we have to beat them. We need more fundraising.
And it's back and forth, and it seems like these
two parties, the Republicans and the Democrats,
are just sort of like funneling all this corruption.
Is it possible that maybe we can go back to the
good old days and just judge people on what they
say and what they do instead of party affiliation?
Well, yeah, it's like when George Washington
left office, he urged everyone not to have political
parties. And of course, we didn't listen. And
here we are. And, you know, the problem is, how
do you do it? You know, it's hard to believe
because you think like Washington, that seemed
like acclamation. Everybody thought, yes, he
should be the president. But how often does that
come along? I mean, now, you know, I wonder,
I had this conversation with someone in another
interview. You had John Adams running against
Thomas Jefferson. That's unbelievable, right,
in our minds. And I think, you know, now we think,
how come we can't get any good candidates? You
hear that all the time. And, you know, the parties,
I agree, the parties now, with the money funneling,
you're getting the extremes, right? I mean, the
Democrats, totally, it's good. The progressive
guy is the guy that's, you know, getting his
voice heard out there. And everybody's running
to the left in the Democrat Party because that's
where the money is and that's where the active
voters are. And it seems like that's what the
Republicans were too. Trump kind of changed it
into more of a Trumpism or something. I don't
know how that stays. I wouldn't call it the same
conservative that we had with Bush and Reagan.
Yeah, it's more of the individual, sort of like
Charlie Kirk. When Charlie Kirk was murdered,
and I believe it was a mob hit, but when he was
murdered... That's a tremendous loss. He can't
be replaced. I think a lot of people are thinking,
oh, with all the attention and we're going to
get tremendous fundraising, all these chapters
going, we're going to get like 10 or 20 or 30
Charlie Kirk someday or more. I don't think so.
There's only one Charlie Kirk, just like there's
only one George Washington, there's only one
Abraham Lincoln, there's only one Donald J. Trump.
Yeah, I have that same feeling with Charlie Kirk.
That was a mob hit? Well, getting back to that
real quick, and I don't want to put a pin in
what you're going to say. I don't want you to
forget what you're going to say. But what I mean
by that is Soros and China, there's so much money
involved in the brainwashing business. And this
kind of hatred just doesn't grow on trees. I
mean, I think there's a, I say this sometimes,
I think there was a price tag attached to his
pierced nipple on this guy who murdered him.
I mean, he's not even in control of his own thoughts.
To look at the weird lifestyle, he was like a
furry and trans and homosexual, who knows what.
One of the many letters, the WTFs, all the letters,
the LGBT WTFs. And somebody's paying for that.
And I think it's China. It's Soros. I don't believe
a word of Soros. And he always says he's anti
-communist and pro -Israel. Everything he funds
and everything he stands for is anti -Israel
and pro -communist and pro -terrorist and anti
-American. That I agree with. And I'm surprised
so many people take his money and seem to get
away with it. It's good old -fashioned bribery,
isn't it? Isn't it just good old -fashioned bribery?
Yeah, it's proxies. It's proxies. And there's
a lot of people. The World Economic Forum, the
Council on Foreign Relations, United Nations
all sound so wonderful and respectable and all
that kind of thing. It's just a good old -fashioned
money laundering outfit. It's like the mob graduated
from urban mafia in the 20th century to global.
where the really, really big money and the really
big control is. Because it's basically control
over 8 .4 billion peasants as an oversimplification,
I think. Yeah. Well, you know, I'm not saying
it's wrong. Yeah, it's like segregation. You
see what you want to see on social media. It's
like when you go onto YouTube, if you watch some
videos, similar videos keep feeding your mindset,
so you become intransigent. There's nothing else
out in the world except these stupid videos that
keep following me, and I keep watching it. You've
got to be careful of that kind of thing. You've
got to be really careful, because that's what
they do. Well, you do. And unfortunately, it
seems like whatever you follow, you end up getting
more of, whether it's through advertising or
just... What's on your feed? Well, I thought
everybody's feed was the same, but it's not.
No, it is not. And you see some people, it's
amazing the differences, depending on who made
the comment. If you go through the comments,
which can be mind -numbing, you realize, holy
cow, there's a lot of people that are crazy.
Well, they don't have any, especially on the
left, they don't have any common sense or reasons
behind their arguments. It's just like ad hominem,
you know, abusive fallacies. They just call you
names. And that's all they got. They're like
little kids. It's amazing. And our side, too,
of course. It's a human nature thing. I guess
we want to protect. Too much cognitive dissonance
or something like that would be going on with
us if we didn't protect our psyches. And that's
what we're doing. It comes down to human nature
again. That's what we're doing is trying to protect
ourselves psychologically. Well, no doubt. I
saw a comment today. And sometimes you don't
even know if these comments are old or whatever.
But John Lithgow, the actor, was making a comment
about Trump. the stuff that everybody says you
know there's no backup to it like it's almost
like when you read a story in the media and you're
like okay well where where are the facts in this
story because all i'm seeing here are opinions
and their opinions someone else said and you're
repeating and usually it's the party you're just
you know one of the things that kills me when
you watch um whether it's sunday news programs
or other news programs and they have guests on
i i always hate it when they bring on consultants
from either party because they're just spouting
the party I want you to analyze what's going
on. Right, exactly. So a little more nuance to
this as far as Marjorie Taylor Greene and the
current drama of her quitting. Is there a major
schism coming with MAGA, do you think? Or has
it already been here and not everybody's talking
about it? Yeah, I don't know if there's a major.
I think there's, you know, in any organization
you're going to have some breakaways. 95 ,000.
I want to ask you about Chapter 7, election deniers
and election interference, then and now. And
if we could go into kind of a short synopsis
on, you know, the differences then and now. the
dime and they switched opinions, right? Right.
And I mean, over the years, you know, it's funny
how these same people would say, you know, like
Hillary Clinton, I talk about her in the book
a few times, you know, there for a while, she
was saying she was, you know, elected, you know,
Trump stole it. It was, there's no doubt it had
to be Russia, which is hard to believe because
I find nothing about her appealing as a candidate
or a person. So I don't understand why she has
such a high opinion. Against anybody. I mean,
if there was a real Hitler still, it would be
hard to win it. And she, for some reason, had
such high opinion. Even after, like everybody
that's run the race and loses, yeah, your initial
reaction might be, how did I lose this thing?
They must have cheated. Yeah, exactly. She must
have a lot of faith in the election apparatus.
Too much faith. But when you say election denial,
most people, because of the media, think of Trump
and the people around Trump. It's kind of funny
that that's really something that's been around
longer. Take it and twist it. My theory is that,
and I believe this, is that they learned a lot
of this from China. Because China, even before
they got established as a communist government
on mainland China, one of their main goals was
to overthrow the United States of America, way
back when. And they have their 100 -year goal
of global hegemony. And that's by 2049, so it's
coming up. It's a long ways away, but really
not, if you think about it. And I just don't
trust China. They have this thing called Assassin's
Mace, which is basically hiding in plain sight.
And, you know, if we can do all these horrible
things and people get used to it, then we jump
at you like a rattlesnake. You know, open borders,
for example. Well, it's okay. We learn to live
with it. But no, it's extremely dangerous, extremely
dangerous. Well, you know, in the first term,
remember with Trump, you know, the media made
it out that Trump was nuts because he was saying
China is the real threat. And, you know, it's
not Russia. And now we see, you know, Russia
can't even win, you know, maybe they ultimately
can win in Ukraine. But, geez, it's taken a long
time and they haven't won. And, you know, you
think, are they the superpower anymore? No, I
think Trump was right. Again, China's the superpower.
I mean, there's no doubt. Well, a lot of the
Chinese are, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean,
if you're loyal, you know, if you're from China,
you're probably... I mean, I had someone that
I was corresponding with over the book at some
point, and, you know, she was... She was very
negative towards Trump eventually, and then she
became hostile, you know, about the United States
falling, and she's from China. I'm like, you
know, at that point, we're calling each other
names. I've experienced the same thing, too.
Yeah, the same thing. They are brainwashed. They
are brainwashed. They can't even say anything
really bad about mouse dung. You know who that
is. I call them mouse dung. And they say, oh,
yeah, it was bad. Mistakes were made. And they
say stuff like, are you kidding? You don't know
history. You don't even know your own history.
It's amazing. Or they don't want to admit it.
They love to do that. But then at the same time,
I think, well, you know, as it got further and
further, I'm like, no, I think she really believes
this stuff. And she thinks, and, you know, I
did ask, what are you doing here? Why are you
in our country? If your love for China is so
strong, go back there. I mean, obvious question,
I think. Well, one of their goals is to colonize
us. Yeah, I think that's, well, that's the issue.
Like, I'm not leaving until I, you know, have
you in chains. Right, exactly. So what is the
major lesson takeaway with your book here? Well,
I think the major takeaway is, you know, that
the things that happen to, like, President Trump,
you know, he often said, this never happened
in the history of our country. I guess technically
he's right, because it'd be hard to find another
president, and I looked, you know, who suffered
as much lawfare as he did. But Aaron Burr is
a good runner -up as the vice president, and
I think what it tells you is our history, well,
it might... you're going to get some parts of
it that are there. And, you know, Burr went through
a lot. When you're charged with treason, you're
up for the death penalty. He was, you know, charged
twice for the same act. But they certainly wanted
to not only ruin him, but put him in prison or
to death. And I think if you look at what we
saw with Trump, you know, the ultimate goal was
to imprison him. Yeah, three -quarters of a millennium,
basically. Yeah. So we can't look back 200 years
and go, everything was great. There's some things
they were doing that are just as bad as... what
we do now as a collective society. Well, Abraham
Lincoln once said, he was a guest at a sermon
at a church, and he was asked what he thought
of the pastor's sermon. He says, well, it was
great in many ways, but there was no, to paraphrase,
there was no action step. There was no call for
action. So what can we do? What can we do? My
thing is, I believe we need to have a renaissance
of personal responsibility. Nothing changes unless
we change. And if all we're doing is staying
busy, and yes, making idols out of things like
our families and wives and kids, which is very
tempting. And most people do that, of course.
But if God's not number one, if Jesus is not
number one, we're going to have problems. And
we have problems. We really do. We've got to
change. Yeah, go ahead. I think some of that
is, it kind of winds back to what we were talking
about with Charlie Kirk. You know, he was making,
I think, great headway in that regard. Tremendous.
Tremendous. Yeah. That's why I think it was,
I know it was a mob hit. Okay, it's not a conspiracy
mob. I'm not talking about crazy stuff here.
But when the billionaires and China have these
goals of getting everything for themselves and
not allowing any competition, I call that the
mob. I call that organized crime in the 21st
century. It's kind of like a deep state or a
swamp for the world. Yeah, I call it the deep
state mafia. Is he a racist? I'd look up his
videos. I'd go through all these videos. You
know, the proverbial rabbit hole? I was in there.
And I was looking because I'm like, I don't think
so. I've seen a lot of this. And I couldn't,
you know, it's a disagreement. You know, he'll
say a family is better off with the father in
the house. A family is better if they're religious.
They believe in Jesus Christ. And you're like,
okay, that doesn't make him a racist or anything
else. He's just, you know, he's espousing an
opinion on how life would be better. It's no
-brainer common sense, really. If you understand
the world and history and Christianity, he just
made total sense, and he had the bravery to step
out and say it, and consistently. That's what
he was. He was rarefied, especially in the courage
department. I think so, and I think he was bringing
a lot of people along, and a lot of these younger
people who would see him and became fans of his.
That part, hopefully, that seems like it has
grown. There's more people now that say they're
religious. importance of children or whatever.
But I think he did have an impact on that. Yeah.
Can it last? I think you're right that he's not
replaceable. And I think, you know, while, you
know, Turning Point USA is probably going to
benefit in the short run, at least without that
charismatic leader. You know, I kind of look
at it like the civil rights. Well, I do appreciate
it. How do people get a hold of you? Well, I
have a website. All right, very good. The DC
Swamp Strikes Back with author Dennis Brennan.
Dennis, I really appreciate it. No problem. Thank
you for having me, and I enjoyed our talk. You've
been listening to No PC Allowed. I am Mac Iverson.