WEBVTT 00:00:00.170 --> 00:00:03.109 You are listening to No PC Allowed, a .k .a. 00:00:03.109 --> 00:00:05.849 No Political Correctness Allowed, and I am Mac 00:00:05.849 --> 00:00:09.169 Iverson. Tonight we have a special guest, Dennis 00:00:09.169 --> 00:00:12.429 Brennan, and he has written the book The D .C. 00:00:12.449 --> 00:00:17.070 Swamp Strikes Back. And welcome, Dennis. Thanks, 00:00:17.149 --> 00:00:19.649 Mac, for having me. I appreciate it. Yeah, and 00:00:19.649 --> 00:00:22.410 I wanted to start off by just asking your purpose 00:00:22.410 --> 00:00:24.870 because I will tell you my purpose is in some 00:00:24.870 --> 00:00:26.949 small or big way to change the world. That's 00:00:26.949 --> 00:00:29.480 why I'm doing the podcast. And imagine this being 00:00:29.480 --> 00:00:31.359 your first book. This is something that maybe 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:32.780 is in the back of your mind. I don't know. I 00:00:32.780 --> 00:00:34.920 don't want to put words in your mouth here, but 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:38.979 what's your purpose for this book? Well, there's 00:00:38.979 --> 00:01:06.280 probably more than one purpose, I guess. Well, 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:09.000 Aaron Burr has been denigrated as the bad guy 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:11.959 over the years in American history. It didn't 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:14.480 help with the musical Hamilton, kind of told 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:18.620 from the point of view of Hamilton. And Burr, 00:01:18.620 --> 00:01:22.140 in history, is treated as a traitor. He's charged 00:01:22.140 --> 00:01:25.680 with treason a couple times. So I was afraid, 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:29.000 because you see how the media and Trump battle 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:32.140 back and forth, that that's how Trump would be 00:01:32.140 --> 00:01:33.700 treated. So I think it's important for people. 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:37.159 to really investigate. That's what I did. Made 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:39.640 sure I documented everything with Trump, with 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:42.840 Burr. If anything was said, you know, whether 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:44.900 it's the news media, other politicians, so forth. 00:01:45.180 --> 00:01:49.000 Make sure everything has a reference. And I think 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:51.480 what it does is going forward, people have... 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:12.539 All right, very good. So the commonalities, do 00:02:12.539 --> 00:02:14.419 they have, what would you say is like two or 00:02:14.419 --> 00:02:16.539 three things that Trump and Burr have in common, 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:18.539 or is that even the point of the book at all? 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:21.259 Yeah, some of it's, you know, there's really 00:02:21.259 --> 00:02:40.210 a couple points to it. Yeah, they are. Trump's 00:02:40.210 --> 00:02:43.830 dad was also a developer. It's often said that's 00:02:43.830 --> 00:02:46.669 how he built his business. He got money from 00:02:46.669 --> 00:02:48.509 his dad and started the business, which, God, 00:02:48.530 --> 00:02:51.289 I wish I had that. Burr's father started Princeton 00:02:51.289 --> 00:02:54.129 University, and he was an attorney. So neither 00:02:54.129 --> 00:02:56.610 of these guys were poor. They both went to Washington 00:02:56.610 --> 00:02:59.830 kind of naively, thinking that everybody gets 00:02:59.830 --> 00:03:01.530 along in Washington, everybody's going to be 00:03:01.530 --> 00:03:05.550 your friend. Burr was kind of the toast of D 00:03:05.550 --> 00:03:08.129 .C. and the Jefferson administration because 00:03:08.129 --> 00:03:10.219 he brought New York in. He switched New York 00:03:10.219 --> 00:03:13.219 from, you know, John Adams in the first race, 00:03:13.219 --> 00:03:16.400 when Adams and Jefferson ran, to Jefferson in 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:18.659 the second race. And he did that in old -fashioned 00:03:18.659 --> 00:03:42.370 politics. Was this a deep state back then, do 00:03:42.370 --> 00:03:46.669 you think? You know, I think there was. You know, 00:03:46.669 --> 00:03:49.449 we really, even though it was a smaller country, 00:03:49.590 --> 00:03:52.129 you had Virginia, which was really the center 00:03:52.129 --> 00:03:55.069 of the deep state, at least in the Jeffersonian 00:03:55.069 --> 00:03:58.050 time. You know, Jefferson was surrounded by people 00:03:58.050 --> 00:04:00.949 like Madison and Monroe, who, you know, they 00:04:00.949 --> 00:04:12.800 had this idea that Virginia... as the vice president, 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:16.399 the New Yorker, because had he stayed on as Jefferson's 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:18.600 vice president the second term, it's likely he 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:20.259 would have been the candidate running for president. 00:04:20.620 --> 00:04:23.980 You know, that's kind of obvious. So even when 00:04:23.980 --> 00:04:25.839 he, even the first term, a lot of the Virginians 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:28.560 wanted to get rid of him and they did everything 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:31.540 they could to run him down with Jefferson. They 00:04:31.540 --> 00:04:33.639 were always in Jefferson's air saying you can't 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:36.480 trust Burr. They really didn't want him, you 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:40.019 know, on the tickets for the second race. And 00:04:40.019 --> 00:04:45.449 the second race being the... The second time, 00:04:45.490 --> 00:04:49.250 Jefferson won. And then the third race was Jefferson's 00:04:49.250 --> 00:04:51.610 re -election campaign. And that's when Burr was 00:04:51.610 --> 00:04:55.050 dumped from the ticket. And, you know, that's 00:04:55.050 --> 00:04:56.649 where a lot of, that's where even more of the 00:04:56.649 --> 00:04:58.829 problems came up with the deep state. It was 00:04:58.829 --> 00:05:01.189 enough to get them pushed off because now they 00:05:01.189 --> 00:05:03.730 could put someone on and eventually have this 00:05:03.730 --> 00:05:06.209 Virginia presidency going on for a while. The 00:05:06.209 --> 00:05:09.490 deep state, you know, they had a lot of relatives, 00:05:09.610 --> 00:05:16.769 you know. You know, some of the U .S. attorneys 00:05:16.769 --> 00:05:18.829 that they had placed all over the country, which 00:05:18.829 --> 00:05:20.750 came back to haunt Burr when he was charged with 00:05:20.750 --> 00:05:23.670 treason in Missouri. The guy charging him, the 00:05:23.670 --> 00:05:27.810 U .S. attorney, was a relative of Monroe. And 00:05:27.810 --> 00:05:31.670 he was not only—he also owned a newspaper. So 00:05:31.670 --> 00:05:35.910 he was doing everything he could to blow up Burr 00:05:35.910 --> 00:05:39.189 as a politician in the future. Unfortunately, 00:05:39.329 --> 00:05:41.670 a lot of people know history as a bunch of dates 00:05:41.670 --> 00:05:45.370 and names and places. Well, not even— Watch jaywalking 00:05:45.370 --> 00:05:48.569 or Jesse Waters. They don't even know that. That's 00:05:48.569 --> 00:05:51.750 more like my era when I was growing up. But they 00:05:51.750 --> 00:05:53.110 don't know much more than that sort of thing. 00:05:53.189 --> 00:05:57.870 So just if you kind of give a synopsis of the 00:05:57.870 --> 00:05:59.990 Jefferson and Aaron Burr, they were both the 00:05:59.990 --> 00:06:01.850 same party, right? Democrat, Republican, that's 00:06:01.850 --> 00:06:04.990 what they called themselves. Yes. And then Alexander 00:06:04.990 --> 00:06:08.129 Hamilton was a Federalist. And so is there any 00:06:08.129 --> 00:06:10.470 connection too much? I know we're talking about 00:06:10.470 --> 00:06:12.490 completely different eras between then and now. 00:06:12.910 --> 00:06:16.889 Is it Democrat -Republican? How does that work? 00:06:17.389 --> 00:06:21.069 A lot of the same thoughts that the Jefferson 00:06:21.069 --> 00:06:23.430 people had are what today's Republican Party 00:06:23.430 --> 00:06:27.410 is. But no, the parties have changed so much, 00:06:27.529 --> 00:06:31.110 I wouldn't connect it that way anymore. But yeah, 00:06:31.209 --> 00:06:34.110 a lot of times when you read about Jefferson, 00:06:34.350 --> 00:06:35.930 you're like, wow, he was right about these things. 00:06:36.029 --> 00:06:38.410 But that comes from people that are Republican 00:06:38.410 --> 00:06:40.370 in nature, saying he's right on these things. 00:06:41.660 --> 00:06:44.899 Yeah, kind of a projection. Yeah. And I think, 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:47.019 you know, you're right. We think history, we 00:06:47.019 --> 00:06:49.040 don't learn much. Aaron Burr, which was what 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:52.180 fascinated me, what I knew about Aaron Burr was 00:06:52.180 --> 00:06:53.959 that there was a duel with Alexander Hamilton. 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:56.579 Right. Who, you know, Hamilton and Burr didn't 00:06:56.579 --> 00:06:58.980 like each other. It goes back to New York. Hamilton, 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:01.240 there were really five families in New York, 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:04.379 much like the Mafia. And they were in politics 00:07:04.379 --> 00:07:25.839 there. Right. The Mafia is still around. he was 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:29.279 an outsider. So I think the problem is, you know, 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:31.139 in history, what we remember is, oh, you have 00:07:31.139 --> 00:07:33.699 this duel. I think everybody learns that in school 00:07:33.699 --> 00:07:36.519 at some point. We don't learn much else. If I 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:38.620 learned about the, what was called the Burke 00:07:38.620 --> 00:07:41.420 conspiracy, I forgot about it until I started 00:07:41.420 --> 00:07:44.139 really researching for the book. And that, you 00:07:44.139 --> 00:07:45.680 know, occurred, that's what he was charged with 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:48.220 treason for twice. The allegation being that 00:07:48.220 --> 00:07:50.939 he was going to form his own army, take the army 00:07:50.939 --> 00:07:54.399 westward and fight Spain, Spain at the time controlled. 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:57.060 What's now known as, you know, the southwest 00:07:57.060 --> 00:07:59.339 part of the United States, California, Arizona, 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:01.939 several other states around there, and Mexico. 00:08:02.500 --> 00:08:07.040 And, you know, and start a war with them. That's 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:09.879 what they tried him for treason for. You know, 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:12.259 he was the beneficiary of a technicality, I guess, 00:08:12.339 --> 00:08:14.399 in the law. You know, you need two witnesses 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:18.000 to place you in the conspiracy. And when he was 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.480 tried the second time, the Supreme Court justice 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:23.160 who oversaw the case, John Marshall, he said, 00:08:23.180 --> 00:08:24.860 if you don't have two witnesses, you're out of 00:08:24.860 --> 00:08:28.279 luck. the prosecutor and he acquitted him you 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:30.839 know and i think you know to some extent donald 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:33.080 trump had some good fortune with some of the 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:35.779 judges uh during his many trials he had some 00:08:35.779 --> 00:08:38.799 bad luck too in new york but you know the florida 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:41.460 the federal judge was good for him um i think 00:08:41.460 --> 00:08:44.460 even the judge in georgia was okay but those 00:08:44.460 --> 00:08:47.419 you know following the law is it seems like a 00:08:47.419 --> 00:08:49.679 lost art among some judges any longer oh yeah 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:52.940 definitely whisper a heroic figure would you 00:08:52.940 --> 00:08:58.870 say in any way Revolutionary War George Washington 00:08:58.870 --> 00:09:00.750 he was very close to Washington who loved him 00:09:00.750 --> 00:09:04.409 um you know he was um it's kind of forgot because 00:09:04.409 --> 00:09:06.070 you're obviously everybody knows about George 00:09:06.070 --> 00:09:08.570 Washington in the Revolutionary War but it was 00:09:08.570 --> 00:09:12.110 heroic and that he did fight um in the Revolutionary 00:09:12.110 --> 00:09:14.570 War as many of them did but he didn't have you 00:09:14.570 --> 00:09:16.549 know like Alexander Hamilton had kind of a soft 00:09:16.549 --> 00:09:31.110 job in the military Yeah. So I believe we live 00:09:31.110 --> 00:09:33.610 in a fallen world and corruption is a never -ending 00:09:33.610 --> 00:09:37.710 battle. Is the swamp inevitable? You know... 00:10:20.970 --> 00:10:24.389 with the CIA and FBI, and some believe he was 00:10:24.389 --> 00:10:29.450 killed for it. And it goes back to Teddy Roosevelt, 00:10:29.769 --> 00:10:32.789 even Lincoln, that there was a swap then. So 00:10:32.789 --> 00:10:37.309 it seems like they've always had their hands 00:10:37.309 --> 00:10:41.490 on everything. I think now we have it, and some 00:10:41.490 --> 00:10:44.230 people ask, how come Trump hasn't gotten rid 00:10:44.230 --> 00:10:47.330 of it? It comes back to that question of inevitability. 00:10:47.490 --> 00:10:56.039 I think one person or even one party. That would 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:58.059 be part of the big problem. What about the idea 00:10:58.059 --> 00:10:59.759 of just getting rid of political parties because 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:02.740 they seem like such a narrowing funnel, like 00:11:02.740 --> 00:11:04.980 a funnel of all the special interests going to 00:11:04.980 --> 00:11:08.000 one side and, okay, we have to fight the other 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:09.419 side now. We've got to get a bunch of money. 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:11.340 Oh, we have to beat them. We need more fundraising. 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:13.460 And it's back and forth, and it seems like these 00:11:13.460 --> 00:11:15.539 two parties, the Republicans and the Democrats, 00:11:15.659 --> 00:11:17.899 are just sort of like funneling all this corruption. 00:11:18.019 --> 00:11:20.340 Is it possible that maybe we can go back to the 00:11:20.340 --> 00:11:21.980 good old days and just judge people on what they 00:11:21.980 --> 00:11:24.460 say and what they do instead of party affiliation? 00:11:25.179 --> 00:11:26.980 Well, yeah, it's like when George Washington 00:11:26.980 --> 00:11:29.860 left office, he urged everyone not to have political 00:11:29.860 --> 00:11:32.759 parties. And of course, we didn't listen. And 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:35.899 here we are. And, you know, the problem is, how 00:11:35.899 --> 00:11:38.659 do you do it? You know, it's hard to believe 00:11:38.659 --> 00:11:40.759 because you think like Washington, that seemed 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:42.820 like acclamation. Everybody thought, yes, he 00:11:42.820 --> 00:11:45.019 should be the president. But how often does that 00:11:45.019 --> 00:11:47.440 come along? I mean, now, you know, I wonder, 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:49.639 I had this conversation with someone in another 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:51.860 interview. You had John Adams running against 00:11:51.860 --> 00:11:56.659 Thomas Jefferson. That's unbelievable, right, 00:11:56.740 --> 00:11:59.679 in our minds. And I think, you know, now we think, 00:11:59.779 --> 00:12:02.100 how come we can't get any good candidates? You 00:12:02.100 --> 00:12:04.980 hear that all the time. And, you know, the parties, 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:08.899 I agree, the parties now, with the money funneling, 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:11.500 you're getting the extremes, right? I mean, the 00:12:11.500 --> 00:12:14.120 Democrats, totally, it's good. The progressive 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:16.139 guy is the guy that's, you know, getting his 00:12:16.139 --> 00:12:17.580 voice heard out there. And everybody's running 00:12:17.580 --> 00:12:20.779 to the left in the Democrat Party because that's 00:12:20.779 --> 00:12:22.320 where the money is and that's where the active 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:25.879 voters are. And it seems like that's what the 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:29.519 Republicans were too. Trump kind of changed it 00:12:29.519 --> 00:12:32.259 into more of a Trumpism or something. I don't 00:12:32.259 --> 00:12:36.220 know how that stays. I wouldn't call it the same 00:12:36.220 --> 00:12:38.580 conservative that we had with Bush and Reagan. 00:12:38.899 --> 00:12:40.659 Yeah, it's more of the individual, sort of like 00:12:40.659 --> 00:12:43.019 Charlie Kirk. When Charlie Kirk was murdered, 00:12:43.100 --> 00:12:45.779 and I believe it was a mob hit, but when he was 00:12:45.779 --> 00:12:48.659 murdered... That's a tremendous loss. He can't 00:12:48.659 --> 00:12:50.559 be replaced. I think a lot of people are thinking, 00:12:50.700 --> 00:12:53.519 oh, with all the attention and we're going to 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:55.360 get tremendous fundraising, all these chapters 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:57.539 going, we're going to get like 10 or 20 or 30 00:12:57.539 --> 00:12:59.700 Charlie Kirk someday or more. I don't think so. 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:01.120 There's only one Charlie Kirk, just like there's 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:02.620 only one George Washington, there's only one 00:13:02.620 --> 00:13:04.899 Abraham Lincoln, there's only one Donald J. Trump. 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:09.980 Yeah, I have that same feeling with Charlie Kirk. 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:21.460 That was a mob hit? Well, getting back to that 00:13:21.460 --> 00:13:23.000 real quick, and I don't want to put a pin in 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:24.019 what you're going to say. I don't want you to 00:13:24.019 --> 00:13:25.460 forget what you're going to say. But what I mean 00:13:25.460 --> 00:13:28.820 by that is Soros and China, there's so much money 00:13:28.820 --> 00:13:31.899 involved in the brainwashing business. And this 00:13:31.899 --> 00:13:35.120 kind of hatred just doesn't grow on trees. I 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.679 mean, I think there's a, I say this sometimes, 00:13:37.820 --> 00:13:40.960 I think there was a price tag attached to his 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:43.039 pierced nipple on this guy who murdered him. 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:45.840 I mean, he's not even in control of his own thoughts. 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:48.399 To look at the weird lifestyle, he was like a 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:51.600 furry and trans and homosexual, who knows what. 00:13:52.139 --> 00:13:56.440 One of the many letters, the WTFs, all the letters, 00:13:56.480 --> 00:14:01.019 the LGBT WTFs. And somebody's paying for that. 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:03.379 And I think it's China. It's Soros. I don't believe 00:14:03.379 --> 00:14:05.019 a word of Soros. And he always says he's anti 00:14:05.019 --> 00:14:07.080 -communist and pro -Israel. Everything he funds 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:08.659 and everything he stands for is anti -Israel 00:14:08.659 --> 00:14:12.299 and pro -communist and pro -terrorist and anti 00:14:12.299 --> 00:14:15.720 -American. That I agree with. And I'm surprised 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:18.659 so many people take his money and seem to get 00:14:18.659 --> 00:14:21.500 away with it. It's good old -fashioned bribery, 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:23.039 isn't it? Isn't it just good old -fashioned bribery? 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:37.879 Yeah, it's proxies. It's proxies. And there's 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:39.679 a lot of people. The World Economic Forum, the 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:41.899 Council on Foreign Relations, United Nations 00:14:41.899 --> 00:14:44.539 all sound so wonderful and respectable and all 00:14:44.539 --> 00:14:46.580 that kind of thing. It's just a good old -fashioned 00:14:46.580 --> 00:14:49.779 money laundering outfit. It's like the mob graduated 00:14:49.779 --> 00:14:55.679 from urban mafia in the 20th century to global. 00:14:56.250 --> 00:14:58.250 where the really, really big money and the really 00:14:58.250 --> 00:15:00.509 big control is. Because it's basically control 00:15:00.509 --> 00:15:03.809 over 8 .4 billion peasants as an oversimplification, 00:15:03.889 --> 00:15:07.769 I think. Yeah. Well, you know, I'm not saying 00:15:07.769 --> 00:15:30.669 it's wrong. Yeah, it's like segregation. You 00:15:30.669 --> 00:15:33.350 see what you want to see on social media. It's 00:15:33.350 --> 00:15:34.789 like when you go onto YouTube, if you watch some 00:15:34.789 --> 00:15:38.330 videos, similar videos keep feeding your mindset, 00:15:38.549 --> 00:15:41.330 so you become intransigent. There's nothing else 00:15:41.330 --> 00:15:44.009 out in the world except these stupid videos that 00:15:44.009 --> 00:15:46.309 keep following me, and I keep watching it. You've 00:15:46.309 --> 00:15:47.929 got to be careful of that kind of thing. You've 00:15:47.929 --> 00:15:49.370 got to be really careful, because that's what 00:15:49.370 --> 00:15:52.129 they do. Well, you do. And unfortunately, it 00:15:52.129 --> 00:15:54.590 seems like whatever you follow, you end up getting 00:15:54.590 --> 00:15:57.429 more of, whether it's through advertising or 00:15:57.429 --> 00:16:05.190 just... What's on your feed? Well, I thought 00:16:05.190 --> 00:16:06.990 everybody's feed was the same, but it's not. 00:16:07.230 --> 00:16:09.929 No, it is not. And you see some people, it's 00:16:09.929 --> 00:16:12.629 amazing the differences, depending on who made 00:16:12.629 --> 00:16:14.929 the comment. If you go through the comments, 00:16:15.009 --> 00:16:17.389 which can be mind -numbing, you realize, holy 00:16:17.389 --> 00:16:18.870 cow, there's a lot of people that are crazy. 00:16:19.230 --> 00:16:21.950 Well, they don't have any, especially on the 00:16:21.950 --> 00:16:24.529 left, they don't have any common sense or reasons 00:16:24.529 --> 00:16:27.990 behind their arguments. It's just like ad hominem, 00:16:27.990 --> 00:16:30.230 you know, abusive fallacies. They just call you 00:16:30.230 --> 00:16:33.059 names. And that's all they got. They're like 00:16:33.059 --> 00:16:35.139 little kids. It's amazing. And our side, too, 00:16:35.220 --> 00:16:37.320 of course. It's a human nature thing. I guess 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:40.679 we want to protect. Too much cognitive dissonance 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:42.840 or something like that would be going on with 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:45.279 us if we didn't protect our psyches. And that's 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:47.460 what we're doing. It comes down to human nature 00:16:47.460 --> 00:16:48.659 again. That's what we're doing is trying to protect 00:16:48.659 --> 00:16:51.559 ourselves psychologically. Well, no doubt. I 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:54.159 saw a comment today. And sometimes you don't 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:55.559 even know if these comments are old or whatever. 00:16:55.700 --> 00:16:59.059 But John Lithgow, the actor, was making a comment 00:16:59.059 --> 00:17:03.700 about Trump. the stuff that everybody says you 00:17:03.700 --> 00:17:06.819 know there's no backup to it like it's almost 00:17:06.819 --> 00:17:08.400 like when you read a story in the media and you're 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:10.400 like okay well where where are the facts in this 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:13.299 story because all i'm seeing here are opinions 00:17:13.299 --> 00:17:15.839 and their opinions someone else said and you're 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:17.920 repeating and usually it's the party you're just 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:19.839 you know one of the things that kills me when 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:22.059 you watch um whether it's sunday news programs 00:17:22.059 --> 00:17:24.059 or other news programs and they have guests on 00:17:24.059 --> 00:17:26.680 i i always hate it when they bring on consultants 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:29.039 from either party because they're just spouting 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:37.650 the party I want you to analyze what's going 00:17:37.650 --> 00:17:42.109 on. Right, exactly. So a little more nuance to 00:17:42.109 --> 00:17:45.269 this as far as Marjorie Taylor Greene and the 00:17:45.269 --> 00:17:48.250 current drama of her quitting. Is there a major 00:17:48.250 --> 00:17:50.670 schism coming with MAGA, do you think? Or has 00:17:50.670 --> 00:17:53.529 it already been here and not everybody's talking 00:17:53.529 --> 00:17:56.450 about it? Yeah, I don't know if there's a major. 00:17:56.670 --> 00:17:59.309 I think there's, you know, in any organization 00:17:59.309 --> 00:18:18.339 you're going to have some breakaways. 95 ,000. 00:19:18.990 --> 00:19:22.589 I want to ask you about Chapter 7, election deniers 00:19:22.589 --> 00:19:24.789 and election interference, then and now. And 00:19:24.789 --> 00:19:27.430 if we could go into kind of a short synopsis 00:19:27.430 --> 00:20:26.380 on, you know, the differences then and now. the 00:20:26.380 --> 00:20:29.160 dime and they switched opinions, right? Right. 00:20:29.380 --> 00:20:32.940 And I mean, over the years, you know, it's funny 00:20:32.940 --> 00:20:36.900 how these same people would say, you know, like 00:20:36.900 --> 00:20:38.460 Hillary Clinton, I talk about her in the book 00:20:38.460 --> 00:20:41.299 a few times, you know, there for a while, she 00:20:41.299 --> 00:20:43.640 was saying she was, you know, elected, you know, 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:46.140 Trump stole it. It was, there's no doubt it had 00:20:46.140 --> 00:20:48.140 to be Russia, which is hard to believe because 00:20:48.140 --> 00:20:51.519 I find nothing about her appealing as a candidate 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:54.740 or a person. So I don't understand why she has 00:20:54.740 --> 00:21:06.619 such a high opinion. Against anybody. I mean, 00:21:06.680 --> 00:21:10.619 if there was a real Hitler still, it would be 00:21:10.619 --> 00:21:14.359 hard to win it. And she, for some reason, had 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:16.579 such high opinion. Even after, like everybody 00:21:16.579 --> 00:21:19.440 that's run the race and loses, yeah, your initial 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:21.279 reaction might be, how did I lose this thing? 00:21:21.420 --> 00:21:24.660 They must have cheated. Yeah, exactly. She must 00:21:24.660 --> 00:21:27.160 have a lot of faith in the election apparatus. 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:41.829 Too much faith. But when you say election denial, 00:21:41.890 --> 00:21:44.829 most people, because of the media, think of Trump 00:21:44.829 --> 00:21:47.890 and the people around Trump. It's kind of funny 00:21:47.890 --> 00:21:51.329 that that's really something that's been around 00:21:51.329 --> 00:21:54.950 longer. Take it and twist it. My theory is that, 00:21:55.049 --> 00:21:57.910 and I believe this, is that they learned a lot 00:21:57.910 --> 00:22:00.309 of this from China. Because China, even before 00:22:00.309 --> 00:22:02.390 they got established as a communist government 00:22:02.390 --> 00:22:04.990 on mainland China, one of their main goals was 00:22:04.990 --> 00:22:06.930 to overthrow the United States of America, way 00:22:06.930 --> 00:22:10.460 back when. And they have their 100 -year goal 00:22:10.460 --> 00:22:14.380 of global hegemony. And that's by 2049, so it's 00:22:14.380 --> 00:22:16.059 coming up. It's a long ways away, but really 00:22:16.059 --> 00:22:19.440 not, if you think about it. And I just don't 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:21.359 trust China. They have this thing called Assassin's 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:23.599 Mace, which is basically hiding in plain sight. 00:22:23.819 --> 00:22:25.359 And, you know, if we can do all these horrible 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:28.460 things and people get used to it, then we jump 00:22:28.460 --> 00:22:31.819 at you like a rattlesnake. You know, open borders, 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:33.740 for example. Well, it's okay. We learn to live 00:22:33.740 --> 00:22:36.890 with it. But no, it's extremely dangerous, extremely 00:22:36.890 --> 00:22:40.630 dangerous. Well, you know, in the first term, 00:22:40.690 --> 00:22:42.609 remember with Trump, you know, the media made 00:22:42.609 --> 00:22:44.609 it out that Trump was nuts because he was saying 00:22:44.609 --> 00:22:47.750 China is the real threat. And, you know, it's 00:22:47.750 --> 00:22:49.750 not Russia. And now we see, you know, Russia 00:22:49.750 --> 00:22:51.690 can't even win, you know, maybe they ultimately 00:22:51.690 --> 00:22:54.549 can win in Ukraine. But, geez, it's taken a long 00:22:54.549 --> 00:22:57.349 time and they haven't won. And, you know, you 00:22:57.349 --> 00:22:59.849 think, are they the superpower anymore? No, I 00:22:59.849 --> 00:23:02.690 think Trump was right. Again, China's the superpower. 00:23:14.059 --> 00:23:15.380 I mean, there's no doubt. Well, a lot of the 00:23:15.380 --> 00:23:18.599 Chinese are, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, 00:23:18.619 --> 00:23:20.640 if you're loyal, you know, if you're from China, 00:23:20.700 --> 00:23:22.500 you're probably... I mean, I had someone that 00:23:22.500 --> 00:23:25.220 I was corresponding with over the book at some 00:23:25.220 --> 00:23:29.880 point, and, you know, she was... She was very 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:33.619 negative towards Trump eventually, and then she 00:23:33.619 --> 00:23:36.779 became hostile, you know, about the United States 00:23:36.779 --> 00:23:38.940 falling, and she's from China. I'm like, you 00:23:38.940 --> 00:23:40.880 know, at that point, we're calling each other 00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:46.900 names. I've experienced the same thing, too. 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:49.519 Yeah, the same thing. They are brainwashed. They 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:52.240 are brainwashed. They can't even say anything 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:55.079 really bad about mouse dung. You know who that 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:59.339 is. I call them mouse dung. And they say, oh, 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:01.480 yeah, it was bad. Mistakes were made. And they 00:24:01.480 --> 00:24:03.140 say stuff like, are you kidding? You don't know 00:24:03.140 --> 00:24:04.640 history. You don't even know your own history. 00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:07.880 It's amazing. Or they don't want to admit it. 00:24:15.049 --> 00:24:17.470 They love to do that. But then at the same time, 00:24:17.509 --> 00:24:19.509 I think, well, you know, as it got further and 00:24:19.509 --> 00:24:21.329 further, I'm like, no, I think she really believes 00:24:21.329 --> 00:24:23.730 this stuff. And she thinks, and, you know, I 00:24:23.730 --> 00:24:25.950 did ask, what are you doing here? Why are you 00:24:25.950 --> 00:24:28.509 in our country? If your love for China is so 00:24:28.509 --> 00:24:31.910 strong, go back there. I mean, obvious question, 00:24:31.950 --> 00:24:34.869 I think. Well, one of their goals is to colonize 00:24:34.869 --> 00:24:37.809 us. Yeah, I think that's, well, that's the issue. 00:24:37.869 --> 00:24:39.609 Like, I'm not leaving until I, you know, have 00:24:39.609 --> 00:24:42.779 you in chains. Right, exactly. So what is the 00:24:42.779 --> 00:24:46.380 major lesson takeaway with your book here? Well, 00:24:46.460 --> 00:24:49.640 I think the major takeaway is, you know, that 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:53.099 the things that happen to, like, President Trump, 00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:56.119 you know, he often said, this never happened 00:24:56.119 --> 00:24:57.759 in the history of our country. I guess technically 00:24:57.759 --> 00:24:59.660 he's right, because it'd be hard to find another 00:24:59.660 --> 00:25:02.180 president, and I looked, you know, who suffered 00:25:02.180 --> 00:25:04.839 as much lawfare as he did. But Aaron Burr is 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:07.579 a good runner -up as the vice president, and 00:25:07.579 --> 00:25:10.559 I think what it tells you is our history, well, 00:25:10.619 --> 00:25:15.140 it might... you're going to get some parts of 00:25:15.140 --> 00:25:18.079 it that are there. And, you know, Burr went through 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:20.220 a lot. When you're charged with treason, you're 00:25:20.220 --> 00:25:22.279 up for the death penalty. He was, you know, charged 00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:25.700 twice for the same act. But they certainly wanted 00:25:25.700 --> 00:25:28.319 to not only ruin him, but put him in prison or 00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:30.279 to death. And I think if you look at what we 00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:32.539 saw with Trump, you know, the ultimate goal was 00:25:32.539 --> 00:25:35.880 to imprison him. Yeah, three -quarters of a millennium, 00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:39.200 basically. Yeah. So we can't look back 200 years 00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:41.180 and go, everything was great. There's some things 00:25:41.180 --> 00:25:42.920 they were doing that are just as bad as... what 00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:46.099 we do now as a collective society. Well, Abraham 00:25:46.099 --> 00:25:48.140 Lincoln once said, he was a guest at a sermon 00:25:48.140 --> 00:25:50.019 at a church, and he was asked what he thought 00:25:50.019 --> 00:25:52.259 of the pastor's sermon. He says, well, it was 00:25:52.259 --> 00:25:54.940 great in many ways, but there was no, to paraphrase, 00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:57.680 there was no action step. There was no call for 00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:02.200 action. So what can we do? What can we do? My 00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:05.180 thing is, I believe we need to have a renaissance 00:26:05.180 --> 00:26:07.700 of personal responsibility. Nothing changes unless 00:26:07.700 --> 00:26:10.059 we change. And if all we're doing is staying 00:26:10.059 --> 00:26:13.460 busy, and yes, making idols out of things like 00:26:13.460 --> 00:26:16.759 our families and wives and kids, which is very 00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:18.559 tempting. And most people do that, of course. 00:26:18.619 --> 00:26:20.940 But if God's not number one, if Jesus is not 00:26:20.940 --> 00:26:22.440 number one, we're going to have problems. And 00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:24.920 we have problems. We really do. We've got to 00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:28.819 change. Yeah, go ahead. I think some of that 00:26:28.819 --> 00:26:30.579 is, it kind of winds back to what we were talking 00:26:30.579 --> 00:26:32.640 about with Charlie Kirk. You know, he was making, 00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:35.200 I think, great headway in that regard. Tremendous. 00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:37.500 Tremendous. Yeah. That's why I think it was, 00:26:37.539 --> 00:26:40.059 I know it was a mob hit. Okay, it's not a conspiracy 00:26:40.059 --> 00:26:42.059 mob. I'm not talking about crazy stuff here. 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:45.460 But when the billionaires and China have these 00:26:45.460 --> 00:26:49.240 goals of getting everything for themselves and 00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:52.359 not allowing any competition, I call that the 00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:54.480 mob. I call that organized crime in the 21st 00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:57.480 century. It's kind of like a deep state or a 00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:01.059 swamp for the world. Yeah, I call it the deep 00:27:01.059 --> 00:27:30.019 state mafia. Is he a racist? I'd look up his 00:27:30.019 --> 00:27:32.519 videos. I'd go through all these videos. You 00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:35.039 know, the proverbial rabbit hole? I was in there. 00:27:35.259 --> 00:27:37.559 And I was looking because I'm like, I don't think 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:39.720 so. I've seen a lot of this. And I couldn't, 00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:41.359 you know, it's a disagreement. You know, he'll 00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:43.799 say a family is better off with the father in 00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:46.460 the house. A family is better if they're religious. 00:27:46.539 --> 00:27:48.980 They believe in Jesus Christ. And you're like, 00:27:49.019 --> 00:27:51.920 okay, that doesn't make him a racist or anything 00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:54.960 else. He's just, you know, he's espousing an 00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:57.759 opinion on how life would be better. It's no 00:27:57.759 --> 00:27:59.980 -brainer common sense, really. If you understand 00:27:59.980 --> 00:28:03.359 the world and history and Christianity, he just 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:06.279 made total sense, and he had the bravery to step 00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:08.359 out and say it, and consistently. That's what 00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:11.259 he was. He was rarefied, especially in the courage 00:28:11.259 --> 00:28:13.880 department. I think so, and I think he was bringing 00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:15.779 a lot of people along, and a lot of these younger 00:28:15.779 --> 00:28:19.720 people who would see him and became fans of his. 00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:22.740 That part, hopefully, that seems like it has 00:28:22.740 --> 00:28:25.440 grown. There's more people now that say they're 00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:42.019 religious. importance of children or whatever. 00:28:42.339 --> 00:28:45.940 But I think he did have an impact on that. Yeah. 00:28:45.980 --> 00:28:49.039 Can it last? I think you're right that he's not 00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:52.420 replaceable. And I think, you know, while, you 00:28:52.420 --> 00:28:54.039 know, Turning Point USA is probably going to 00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:56.619 benefit in the short run, at least without that 00:28:56.619 --> 00:28:59.140 charismatic leader. You know, I kind of look 00:28:59.140 --> 00:29:22.220 at it like the civil rights. Well, I do appreciate 00:29:22.220 --> 00:29:25.559 it. How do people get a hold of you? Well, I 00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:57.609 have a website. All right, very good. The DC 00:29:57.609 --> 00:30:00.609 Swamp Strikes Back with author Dennis Brennan. 00:30:00.650 --> 00:30:04.490 Dennis, I really appreciate it. No problem. Thank 00:30:04.490 --> 00:30:07.009 you for having me, and I enjoyed our talk. You've 00:30:07.009 --> 00:30:10.450 been listening to No PC Allowed. I am Mac Iverson.