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Hey, this is Jimmy and Annette and of course, Mr. Chevy is with us today.

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He's always got to be with us and I actually said that loudly. He popped his head up and was like,

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what? You talking to me? He wants to talk. I know he wants to talk. Chevy, do you have something to

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say over there, buddy? He's looking around like, I know you're talking about me, but I don't know

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what's going on. So Mr. Chevy's getting a big old haircut tomorrow because he looks like a mop.

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Yeah, when I was in high school, I had a very cool car at a 69 Chevelle Supersport. Rub it in.

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I had a station wagon. I had to get that in there. I'm 16 driving a full-size station wagon. My parents

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hated me. My dad tried to kill me because at 14, he bought me a 69 Chevelle. Well, he really was

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trying to kill you. Mine at least were trying to keep me safe, I think. You were in a tank. I was

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in a tank. That was a small island actually, that big station wagon. It was unbelievable. It was ugly. Anyway, all that to say, all that

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stunning dialogue there to say, he looks like I used to wash my own car back in the day when people

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actually wash their own cars. Which we haven't done in forever because we keep getting rain. Which is good. We needed the

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rain. But back in the day, you know, you'd wash your own car, but you had those wash mitts and they're

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like a big fluffy furry white. That's what you're saying Chevy. That's what he looks like. I've been tempted to use him. He looks like a mop that I used to

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use when I would mop my floors. Oh, he's funny. Why'd he jump down? What's he doing? I don't know. Chevy, where are you going, buddy? We got a show to do. Come on. He's

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pouting because we called him a mop. Oh, sorry. He's getting his hair cut tomorrow, right? I know. Yeah. Bright and early. He's going to look like a poodle again instead of a mop. So, how are you, Miss Annette? I'm doing great. It's been a quiet day. We needed a quiet day. So, what do we do on Monday?

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Mondays are our Sabbath day and we rest. We do what we want to do, which is fun. We don't work, which actually work is fun to me. Right. Me too. I love what I do. I always do a little bit, but you don't. You're not supposed to. But I enjoy my Mondays.

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Yeah. This one was very peaceful today. We went to the gym. That's one of the things we love to do. We met in a gym. Met in a gym. So, we have to go to the gym on a Monday. After 30 years of while, we still meet in a gym. A couple of times a week, three times, hopefully. That's what we try to do. But yeah, we went to the gym today and it's been kind of weird because it's been

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overcast, then sunny, then overcast. Storm clouds everywhere. All around us. But they miss us. It's the strangest thing. It goes all around us. Yeah. I'm looking at it right now. We'll get a little bit of sprinkle and then that's it. Yeah. And then we'll get these warnings and calamities coming. Take cover, but there's nothing in our yard.

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Yeah. Anyway, it's overcast now. It's beautiful. But anyway, we went to the gym. Really relaxing. TV does not go on. How are we doing? How many weeks are we into this now? You came back from Pink Impact, from Dallas. And you said, let's talk.

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And I've purged ever since. We have purged ever since. It's more of a purge for you. I could take it or leave it. But yeah. Right. But it's been wonderful. I've totally enjoyed not turning the TV on. Unless we want to watch a movie that we'll find on PureFlix.

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Right. We love that. Sometimes Amazon Prime will have a great movie that we are interested in. But for the most part, the TV does not go on. You said, was it last night or today, that you just said out of nowhere, our house is so peaceful.

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Yes. I did. It was probably last night and this morning. Yeah. Because it is. I'm loving this. I'm loving this simplifying. I'm loving this dialing things back, not having on. And I did really good on my phone today. I mean, I'm a phone guy.

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I saw you on the phone a little bit with Adam. With Adam Curry. He's the only one that you will talk to. We're bromance. We've got to talk every day. That's just the way it is. Sorry. Don't get jealous.

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He just asked me if we were doing our show this afternoon. He goes, hey, I'm looking. Is the show going to happen? I know. People have been asking me, when are you recording? That's crazy. Later.

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We've had some really, just a lot of encouragement lately. I mean, one of the things that at church on Sunday, people were talking to us about the show. Sometimes we wonder if anybody is even listening. Does anybody really care? Is this really happening?

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Because you've never really talked about it in church that we're doing this. Not as much as I should because I need to get the word out and get our folks listening.

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Jennifer Marshall came up to me and she said, I love your show. I love your point of view. It made me so happy because sometimes I think, does it even matter what I have to say?

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I don't know Jennifer that well, but she's just got this God presence on her. There is a light shining bright through her. She's got this smile and this light about her.

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When you go through tough things, which she's going through a lot of, she's got a lot of challenges in her life right now. One of her family members is getting married, so she's involved in that. There's some other things going on.

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Yet, I could see this bright light all over her. I saw her walk up to you on Sunday after church and I was like, wow. Just like shining. I know.

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Yet, she was going through some stuff, which we all do. We're all going through something. I've been talking about this in our church. There's no perfect people allowed. The whole point of it is we're all Mr. and Ms. Dumpty.

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You're so funny having the church. Dumpty, Dumpty sat on a wall. Come on. You've got a great fall. You have the whole church. Go through the...

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They're getting better at it actually. They're really getting into the groove. It's funny. I usually have to do two starts on it. So are you going to do that every week?

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Every week during this series. The whole point is this. We're all Humpty Dumpty. All of us. We've all fallen off the wall.

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Nobody can put us back together but God.

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Only God. That's what we say. When we get to the end of the little thing, I say all the King's Orphans are like, couldn't put Humpty together again. I say, but God can.

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That's really the whole point. That's the whole message. It's really the whole point of what we're doing here with a podcast. It's called Living Up in a Down World.

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Our goal, our heart, first of all, we want to live that way. It's a target. It's a goal.

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But you have to be intentional about that.

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Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

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I don't know that people can understand that, that it takes intentionality to do that.

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Because if you allow yourself to get wrapped up in the news and the things that are going on, where they can just overwhelm you.

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Urge yourself.

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Oh, I mean it can be tough.

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Run away. Run away.

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You have to be intentional.

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Quit watching the news and start listening to the No Agenda podcast with Adam Curry and John Dvorak.

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They unpack, they call it media assassination.

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They deconstruct the media and the news.

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They've really helped us understand that everything is fake out there.

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Right. Yeah. Well, Adam's background, of course, he was on MTV back in the day, I think about nine or ten years.

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And being in that world, he just saw the fallacy of it all. It's just fake. It's posturing.

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And so he came away from that, not bitter, which is awesome.

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And a lot of people do come away bitter.

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I had a dear friend in Nashville who was on tour for ten years, lived in a tour bus from the age of 19 to 29.

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And he came away bitter. I mean, bitter and broken.

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And he's doing well now, but I remember meeting with him and walking through some tough stuff with him.

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I'm not going to name his name, but he's a lead guitar player.

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OK, I don't say. But I'm not going to say who he is.

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I know who you're talking about. Yeah, you know who I'm talking about.

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But anyway, he came away very disillusioned from that whole celebrity life.

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He seems to be doing very well now. No, I'm very proud of him and super cool.

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He's got a level head. He's growing up. You know, he's getting older and kids are growing up and his wife.

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And so, yeah. But anyway, that whole idea that just you can't really believe what you're seeing,

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especially on those main news media outlets and they're tearing people up.

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I call it getting spun up, spinning people up.

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And, you know, we're obviously not putting our head in the sand.

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We're actually looking at headlines. You know, we're just not going.

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We're not letting it overtake our lives. Exactly.

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But when I heard that the border was opened up, it literally began to bring fear inside me.

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And I was like, OK, no, no, I'm not going to live in fear.

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There's always something going on in this world and around us.

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And I can just sit there and dwell on it or I can say, you know what?

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No, that's how fear can grip you and paralyze you.

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And I just refuse to walk in fear over this.

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We choose faith over fear that we're going to trust God no matter how things look.

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And even if bad things do happen, you still trust God.

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Because God's about the biggest picture, the bigger picture, the bigger story.

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And so you just you know Igbok, right? You know what Igbok means, right?

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It's going to be OK.

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I got that amazing piece of information off of a coffee mug at Puckett's Cafe,

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Puckett's in Franklin, Tennessee. Oh, which we get to go to in two weeks.

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Oh, yeah. Bring that up. I didn't even put that on the show notes.

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Yeah, we're going to Nashville. What are we going to do in Nashville?

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The K-Love Awards. K-Love Fan Awards. Fan Awards, excuse me.

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Because we're all super fans of Christian music.

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Oh, my goodness. So many artists.

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We get to have private concerts just there in a in a.

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I don't know how big the room is at the Gaylord, but it's going to be at the Opera Land Gaylord,

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which is a really fun, almost Disneyland experience.

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We've been there before. We used to live there.

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And putting money aside and taking care of this trip for one year.

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We had one of our church members, Christy Klocker, last year when she came back.

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She said you have to go.

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And she knows how much we love Christian music.

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Yes. Well, you're a guitar player.

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Right. I'm a total Christian music nerd.

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And I mean, I love my rock and roll, but I just can't hardly listen to it anymore.

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And that's not a weird thing for me. It's just I can appreciate talent.

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But if I want I want music that's going to lift my spirit, it's going to move.

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Yes, definitely. I tried to listen to some rock while we were

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I was listening to Extreme Rise, you know, Betancourt's got like the solo of the century right now.

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I have no idea what you're talking about.

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He's the new Eddie Van Halen. And I had to check it out.

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And it was cool. It's pretty amazing.

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But when it was over, I got to go back.

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I'm going to listen to Mercy Me because I love those guys.

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Oh, gosh. After going to that concert.

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But yeah, so appreciate it. And they're going to be there.

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They'll be at the K-Love Awards doing a collaboration with somebody during the show.

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So there'll be a red carpet event where if we get to I almost said we have to we get to dress up.

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They said dress up as much as you want or as little as you want.

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Are you serious? Why am I taking a suit?

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I told you you're not listening to me.

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Yeah, I told you a lot going on.

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Well, I said, listen to me. Look at me. See, this is the problem.

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People love it when you scold me because it's all every man in America to me.

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You can I said, wear your suit. Right.

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But don't wear a tie. Just leave your shirt open that way with you.

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Yeah. Or you can wear your nice slacks.

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We bought you in a jacket. Yeah.

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But you don't have to fully dress up. I know what I'm wearing.

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It was like a big. Well, you're surprised.

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I want you to dress for an award show.

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I see opposite of what we're going to dress when we go to the mini concert.

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Yeah, just normal. Those are going to be casual.

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Well, I'm looking forward to it.

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So, yeah, we'll get to catch up with Michael and Daniel and Robby and all the guys from Mercy Me.

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That's going to be fun. Your new bro.

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Romance. Other bromance.

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We've got a text chain going. It's insane with Michael and the guys with the bass player.

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Do y'all sleep? You're always talking to them.

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I know. I know. It's fun. It's fun.

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I just I just love music and so appreciate it.

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And music to me is such a gift and it got me.

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I would say it's cheaper than therapy, but as many guitars as I have it.

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No, no, no, I'm looking around. But you know what?

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I said no. I you actually decided I'm done.

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Decided you're not going to buy one.

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And yet two days ago, you said I need money to buy a guitar.

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You were like, can I let me have the credit card?

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I decided not to pull the trigger. I don't. I'm shocked.

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This is I'm good. Maybe you're growing up.

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No, no, no, no, that's no, no, that's against that.

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Oh, OK. OK. No, I'm good.

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I so what I do to help me keep me from buying guitars is I just rebuild them all.

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I just put different next sounds a lot more fun than buying new ones.

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It's pretty fun getting a new guitar.

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I'm not going to lie, but but I'm going to break that.

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I don't want to think I got to have another one.

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What pastor whose job is pastoring not playing the guitar when you play the guitar at the church,

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it's volunteer and it's just a couple of hours on Sunday.

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Why would you need 12 guitars like you have? I don't I don't get that.

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You so don't understand. I don't understand.

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I said but this is what I said.

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If you want to buy a guitar, fine, but get rid of the guitars.

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You just hardly ever play actually play every one that you're OK.

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People are going to think you don't really have a job.

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If this is all you do is play your guitar therapy.

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It is your therapy. We're going to K level words.

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It's going to be amazing redirecting here.

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Wow. I'm a pro at it. OK.

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So pastors learn to do that.

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We learn to redirect masters of it.

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So redirect to combo.

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But anyway, we're going to do that and it's going to be a great trip.

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And we're going to see Mark and Alicia.

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We're so proud of them.

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They're doing so great.

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And we did get Sam what we got a week and a half ago at the wedding.

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And so it was so fun having them here with us.

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But we get to go get to hang out with them a little bit.

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And then we're going to do the whole K love thing and do the opera land gaylord thing, which is fun.

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Really a lot of fun and lots of music.

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That's what I'm pumped about.

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Lots of worship to which I'm a I'm a worship music nerd for sure.

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I love it. It'll be fun.

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Yeah. I believe I always say that the Lord used ACDC to train me for work.

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I grew up, I cut all my chops on early rock, classic rock now, but ACDC, Bad Company and all those bands.

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Pat Benatar, our our opening is an ACDC type of a ripoff.

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Yeah. So Jeff Smith, who I so appreciate, he's he's a session music musician.

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You can meet him when I'm hoping I'm going to see if he's even going to be he may not even be there.

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But you know, when you live in Nashville, you never go to anything.

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You might can contact.

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I'm going to reach out to him to see if he's going to be around. But Jeff is such a neat guy.

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But he did the opening.

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So the music that you're hearing and when they asked me, I saw an atom about it, we were brainstorming.

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Adam goes, what do you want the vibe to be?

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You said you want the sound. I said, oh, that's easy. ACDC.

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And you just came up with that right off the top of your head.

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You didn't even have to think about it.

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Literally didn't have to think about it. I just want it to be jamming.

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I wanted some guitars. And so Jeff put that track together.

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Such a blessing. And yeah, I hope to get to connect with him.

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And again, back to the heart of music and why we love.

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And so we're going to this. And so, yeah, we're going to be just enjoying it.

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I mean, it's the whole point really is to just enjoy being around a bunch of people who love God and love music.

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That week, we won't be able to do our podcast till later in the week because we will be out of town.

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Yeah, you're right. We may have a.

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We'll be able to do it next week, but the following week, we'll have to put it off a couple of days.

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We'll be able to do a little bit. What? Take this with you on the plane?

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No, I cannot take my task. No, there's no way. It's too big.

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It's a big roadie makes a new a new small. Oh, no.

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Now you want something else. No more. We're good. We're good.

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But it's one you could take. It's very small.

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So, hey, we could do one on our phone like it's the total in the raw.

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Really? That would be really rough. It sure would.

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That's a bad idea. No, I forget that I'm mixing.

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I'm going to give you some tips of what to do. Yeah.

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I don't know. So let's talk just for a moment.

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I think this is kind of cool. We found a new show.

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Now that we've purged ourselves from from just regular TV and just kind of mindless TV,

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we always used to say I'm vegging, you know, but really just mindless,

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not totally mindless because we're also taking in things.

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But so we we got pure flicks, which we'd checked out a couple of years, three years ago.

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And it was kind of cheesy. There was a lot of cheesy. There was.

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And I was like, we tried to watch it. We're like, this isn't quite.

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But the level, the game has changed.

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I think The Chosen has really helped raise the bar.

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And now, of course, Jesus Revolution really raised the bar.

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So I think we're going to see we're seeing a lot more good things come along,

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come along and production values a lot higher.

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So this show that we've been watching, it was a series, there's only six episodes or five.

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It's called Going Home. That has been a little bit about that.

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So powerful. OK, I'll talk. I'll say it.

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So the premise of it is and why it's so I'll just tell you why it's so near and dear to me.

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It's about a nurse who who's kind of the head nurse.

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And it's a palliative care unit or home called Sunset House.

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And what they do, it's a hospice. Exactly.

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And so each week there was a story around one or two of the residents,

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you know, who people who were brought in for hospice, a football player who is

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who is liver was fried from too much ibuprofen and drugs to take care of the pain of an injury.

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And then and then a young person who had, you know, an incurable disease.

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And so every week there was a different but it also talks.

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It's a story of her engagement of the nurse.

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And her calling, she believed it was a calling to help escort people over the line into heaven.

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And there's just a lot of wisdom in this show.

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But if you if you ever want something really life giving to watch,

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then also is just loaded with great truths.

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It is. It's a great. It's called Going Home.

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And I highly recommend it.

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And, you know, Pure Flix is like I said, they're coming up.

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I mean, they're really raising the bar on it.

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And so they'll do a new season in the fall, believe we read and looking forward to that.

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There was a line that came out of it. I brought all that up just to say this.

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And it just really, really stuck with me so much.

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So I wrote it down, which I never do. Watching, watching stuff.

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And it's this live life is not lived in a straight line.

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That's profound. It is. It's very powerful.

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And I heard that. I just thought that is the truth.

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Sometimes we have these ideals or an idealistic attitude that that there's going to be a day where things get easy.

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There's going to be a day where I'm going to hit a plateau.

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All smooths out from here on out. And no, you know, like a roller coaster, isn't it?

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Yeah, definitely not a straight line. Right.

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See, I think of the movie What Father of the Bride is that the where she's where the grandmother says life is a roller coaster.

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Yes. Yes. I'll never forget that as long as I live.

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And then she said, I like roller coasters. I like roller coasters.

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I mean, and it was in the midst of chaos that her son, who was Steve Martin and his wife were fighting.

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They were arguing and it was profound. And then they just looked at her and they just I mean, it was first.

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He thought it was dumb until it dawned on him. She was right.

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Life, it doesn't ever get that smooth. Not that you don't have moments of respite and peace.

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You can have peace in the midst of the storm. You can live up in a down world. You can't.

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That doesn't mean it's always easy and it doesn't mean that it doesn't take work on an ongoing basis.

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It's just something that it's it's it's when when the roller coaster ride comes and it's hard to bear, you just don't let it take you out.

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You live above that. And that's what we've had to learn in our life.

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It took us a long time to get there, though. Yeah.

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Call it living above the fray. The fray is the noise and the clamor and the den of noise of this world.

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And but living above the fray is that rising above that. Not that you're superior. It's not even that's not even the idea.

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The idea is that the world can have its it's like walking away from a fight.

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You know, when I was a young person, I had to walk away from a few fights. I got in a few fights.

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I just don't get that. I never got into any. But sometimes you got to live above the fray, get above it and say, you know what?

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I'm not going to lower myself and participate.

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And so living above the fray is finding peace in the midst of the storm. Right.

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Because life is not lived in a straight line. No, it's not. It's not.

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So I want to encourage you as you're listening. First of all, I want to say thank you for listening.

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We're Jimmy and Annette and we are living up in a down world. That's the name of our podcast.

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The name of the podcast is very intentional and it's it's our hope for you that you'll be able to find peace and find joy in the midst of a world that seems to be losing its mind.

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And that's why we're here. So we want to encourage you and and help you in any way we can.

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Another thing I want to talk about, which was kind of just a neat thing this week, this last week, it was a lot of road time.

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It was a lot of travel. We got to go to Austin twice. Well, you did. I went only went once.

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And that's kind of it's not I mean, it's like an hour and 30 minutes, hour and 40. But, you know, each way.

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And so we went midweek. I had this really cool opportunity that came along.

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Actually, in 2019, I was I received a call from from the Capitol building from the Senate side of the Capitol saying, hey, I'm so and so I'm with the Senate.

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And and you've been recommended to come and pray.

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Would you be interested in coming to pray to open up one of our sessions?

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And I'm like, let me check. And why didn't you ask who recommended you at that time? I didn't think about I didn't even know you had to be.

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I did. It just came out of nowhere. So I didn't even know anything.

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Didn't know the rules or there was protocols. So we went and we did that in 2019. And it was a wonderful experience.

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Do you remember that? It was a great experience. We were met with just so much.

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So many gracious people. Yes. Senators. Was it Dan Patrick?

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He's the one who came up to you after our lieutenant governor. Your prayer was so profound and so needed.

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You said all the right things that they needed for that session.

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Obviously, you didn't know what it was about. Right. Yeah.

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So it was a really cool thing. You trying to get Chevy to jump up in your lap is acting weird.

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I don't know what's wrong with them. Anyway, keep going.

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You'll tend to Chevy. So we got called back again and we went and we went early that night because it's the next morning.

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So we stayed the night and we get to the hotel and oh man, we're both excited.

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First, we go shopping. Oh, yeah. And we buy you a new suit. So you can you did because you needed.

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You're getting a little on the girth side. Yeah, a little wheel.

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What do they call that? No tires. What they call that's what they call. That's how I feel right now.

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Their tire. But anyway, so we had to buy you a new suit. Couple of them.

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And so we got you a couple of suits and some pants and tie and the whole works. We get back to the hotel.

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We get so excited. And I realize you left my clothes at home on the dresser.

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Yeah. No, no, no. I know. I see a look on your face. I didn't say anything.

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Actually, you went you actually padded the garment bag to see if there was anything in it.

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There's two hangers and two dresses in there. So so it you just went, oh, this is empty.

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I thought it was empty because normally we got home. I looked at it.

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You could see the dresses. You have 15 garments.

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You even said, do you want this one or this garment bag? And you said, oh, this one, because you're you're going light this week.

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So you already forgot your mind was somewhere else. You really feel so I didn't get to go.

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I had to stay in the hotel room because I had no clothes. Get out and go shopping again.

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Yes. No, and I did not want to go in for the night in downtown Austin.

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So yeah. So yeah, you just said, hey, you go. I'll chill. I'll rest.

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And so I thank God, Adam recorded it so I could hear it. That's cool.

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I wish I could have uploaded the sound. You have but you didn't think about it.

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I may do that for next week. So anyway, it was good.

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You have to pre-write your prayer and you have to submit it and I get it.

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I can't imagine pastors. I mean, I know that they'll pre-write it and get it approved.

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But how many of them actually take liberties is what I'm worried about.

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And I know you would call that pray preaching, pray preaching.

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Oh, I can I can just imagine how many go off pastors that go off script.

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I don't do that. Which is why they called you back, I think.

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I want to always be honorable of what they're asking.

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And I believe that that God hears all of our prayers and that even if I'm not saying it exactly

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like I would at church per se in an environment and context that is blatantly Christian,

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I still think I can be completely anointed in the moment. Exactly.

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And and so it worked out great. It was beautiful.

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Again, I was met with so many gracious senators, both male and female, who stopped by

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because you know that you sit right under the lieutenant governor's stand.

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He sits in like a tower. It's this massive, huge piece of furniture.

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He's really up towering above everybody. And so you sit right below that.

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And I sat with a couple of runners who they they run all the legislation, the paperwork.

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They're all over the place. And I sat with them and they were both just delightful young people.

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And I asked them why they couldn't wear tennis shoes.

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My goodness. You guys should be wearing tennis shoes.

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We had a great conversation. Of course, they love Fredericksburg.

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And so we talked about Fredericksburg. Everybody loves Fredericksburg.

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But it's a great experience. And senator after senator stopped.

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And because I'm the designated prayer, you know, and every one of them, not all of them,

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but most of them came over and shook my hand and said, so glad you're here.

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Welcome to the Senate floor. And just what I what I realized,

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and I learned this a long time ago in politics, whether you're on the House side or the Senate side,

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outside of chambers, they're there. The gloves come off.

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These guys go out and have a beer together and go hang out and spend time together inside.

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The gloves go on. The cameras are rolling.

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Photo op moments happen. And I call it optics are happening all over the place.

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So much is theater, so much is for the cameras and for the six o'clock news.

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And so I saw that four years ago when you were there and just went, oh, this is like a big show.

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It literally is like a big show. Right. It is.

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And a lot of because remember they were doing a major vote last year about no, well, 2019.

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They were doing this major vote about getting Chick-fil-A into San Antonio International Airport

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and the city council barred them from coming in because they wouldn't open on Sunday.

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And presumably, but not stated directly because of their stance on LGBTQ, RST,

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I.V., whatever, all the different ones. And so they it was a mega debate.

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So we happen to be there right in the middle of fascinating.

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But one of the representatives, Kyle Biederman, he's not in the House now,

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but he hung out with us and kind of gave us the back what I call the back door tour,

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which you get to go places others don't.

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And that was really cool hanging out with with with our our representative.

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And he just he looked at us and he goes, you see all this right here?

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He said, this is all for show. You see, we already know what the he said.

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Yeah, we already know already know what the votes that just floored me.

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I just kind of went, what? This is all he said.

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Let's see all the cameras. There were cameras everywhere.

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He said, that's what this is for. I went, this is a show.

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We're at the show. That was disappointing, actually.

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But anyway, so this time there was that education issues going.

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So they had the gallery filled with children.

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I saw that I went online. I could see it online.

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Yeah, it's very interesting. After the fact, very interesting.

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Anyway, great experience and so appreciative that they had me back

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and I visited with my liaison and she said, we will definitely have you back.

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And I said, give me a call just an hour and a half down the road.

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What an honor. Yeah, I'm thankful. It was humbling.

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But I'm very grateful that I got to do it.

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You feel like you're participating in a little piece of history at some level

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as a minister getting to step into what I feel like is a very important.

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And thank God it hasn't been left out and forgotten.

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Exactly. It's really amazing to me that in this season of our culture and history

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that they still open with prayer. I know.

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It really says a lot.

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How long do you think that will last? I don't know.

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I'll be there and I'll do it as long as they'll let me do it

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because I actually really enjoy doing it.

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So anyway, that was a sweet time.

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And then you got to go back on Saturday.

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I came home for a day and turned right around and I went back on Saturday with Adam Curry.

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So no agenda. John Dvorak and Adam Curry have had this podcast for 15 years,

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got 850,000, nearly a million listeners.

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And it's phenomenal. I highly recommend you listen to it,

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especially to unpack the news and what's really going on right now,

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but from a conservative standpoint.

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So he said, hey, you want to go to a meetup?

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And a meetup is where they just get the word out in a particular area,

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hey, we're doing a meetup for no agenda.

397
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,280
And then all the people that are big.

398
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,280
But John Dvorak doesn't show up. It's just Adam.

399
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,280
No, no, no. He lives up in Silicon Valley.

400
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,280
Do they do meetups up there?

401
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,280
They do them all over the place. I don't think John attends many of them.

402
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,280
But Adam tries to attend as many as he can.

403
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,280
He does a lot of them, yeah. I mean, they just did one in Nashville.

404
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,280
Tina Curry did one up in Chicago.

405
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,280
So yeah, they try to make them.

406
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,280
And so I said, man, I would love to go because Tina was coming back from New York City

407
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,280
and you were going to drive to San Antonio.

408
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,280
Pick her up.

409
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:30,280
Which is a big adventure for you.

410
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,280
Right, because I don't want to drive in San Antonio.

411
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,280
Proud of you for doing that.

412
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:39,280
So took her out. So I rode over to Austin on a rainy, rainy Saturday.

413
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,280
And we had a blast. I mean, it was such a neat thing.

414
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,280
There were probably 40 to 50 in attendance.

415
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,280
And it's just a social.

416
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,280
I mean, people are eating and enjoying beverages and just hanging out

417
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:56,280
and talking about what we all have in common, which in that context,

418
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,280
it was in the No Agenda show.

419
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,280
But what I found out, which I didn't really expect,

420
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,280
it was a very pleasant surprise, even though Adam and Tina said,

421
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:06,280
hey, you're going to have some fans there.

422
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,280
And I'm like, fans? Fans? Do we have fans?

423
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,280
Chevy's our fan. He's our number one.

424
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,280
But anyway, so sure enough, it didn't take long.

425
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,280
After being there, people started coming over and talking to me

426
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,280
saying, yeah, yeah, we've listened to your podcast

427
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,280
and we love living up in a down world.

428
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,280
And I was like, wow.

429
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,280
And then people say, hey, can we take a picture with you?

430
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,280
I'm like, wow. Seriously?

431
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,280
So me? Moi? Sure, you know, I don't want to break the camera.

432
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,280
But anyway, we had, it turned into about three hours

433
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:43,280
of delightful and life-giving conversations.

434
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,280
That's great.

435
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,280
And a pleasant thing happened that I did not expect.

436
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:48,280
What?

437
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,280
So this is not a Christian gathering, right?

438
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:51,280
These are just people.

439
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,280
And it's Austin. So enough said about that. It's Austin.

440
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,280
So I didn't know what to expect.

441
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,280
And once people found out that I was half of living up in a down world

442
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:05,280
and that I'm a pastor, one after another, all day long,

443
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,280
all over those three hours, people were coming to me

444
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,280
and talking about their faith life.

445
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,280
And most of them were not in a good place.

446
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,280
They felt like they've gotten away from their faith.

447
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,280
And you were able to share with them.

448
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,280
Just able to have conversations.

449
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,280
Just turn around. He's right there.

450
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,280
Yeah, yeah, one really cool conversation, especially that one.

451
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,280
But I got to talk about leaky buckets and just show up

452
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,280
and let Christ leak out of you.

453
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,280
And we just go everywhere.

454
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,280
We just go make beautiful messes. That's the whole point.

455
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,280
It was so cool to see Adam and his environment as well with his people.

456
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,280
And it was hard getting away because, man, people want to talk.

457
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,280
And we were all talking.

458
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,280
So we finally pulled ourselves away, walking to the car.

459
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,280
And I said, bro, that's your church.

460
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,280
He goes, yeah, those are my people.

461
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,280
I said, that's your church. You're like a pastor.

462
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,280
We kind of do the same thing just on two different levels.

463
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,280
But anyway, a beautiful time.

464
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,280
I really appreciate Adam inviting me to go along.

465
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,280
And gosh, I definitely want to go back at some point and experience that.

466
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,280
He wants us all four to go to meet up.

467
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,280
Oh, absolutely.

468
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,280
That's coming up soon. I don't know.

469
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,280
They do them once a month in Austin.

470
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:20,280
Oh, they do?

471
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,280
Yeah, Scott over there heads all those up.

472
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,280
He coordinates them.

473
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,280
It's just a great experience.

474
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:31,280
So yeah, it was one of those weeks of just some really out-of-the-box experiences.

475
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,280
It wasn't a typical week by any means.

476
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,280
No, not at all.

477
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,280
I was in the office, out of the office, all over the place.

478
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,280
And I loved every second of it.

479
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,280
But boy, I was tired. Man, I'm still feeling it.

480
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,280
This morning was hard to get up, I think.

481
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,280
It was.

482
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,280
For both of us.

483
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,280
I usually get up at 6, whether I set my alarm or not.

484
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,280
And boy, this morning I slept in 710.

485
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,280
I know.

486
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,280
I know. I feel like the day was half gone when I got up.

487
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,280
It was.

488
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,280
Oh, no, I've overslept. The sun's coming up.

489
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,280
No, your body needs to rest. Definitely needs to rest.

490
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,280
I was proud of you, Miss Annette, through it.

491
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,280
Because you drove by yourself to San Antonio.

492
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:18,280
I almost canceled and said, Tina, you might have to get an Uber.

493
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,280
But only because I thought it was going to be storming.

494
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,280
Because we had all these warnings. Oh, my goodness.

495
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,280
It's dark again outside right now.

496
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,280
It is. But the weather turned out beautiful and I was able to drive.

497
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,280
It was an easy drive.

498
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,280
It's really interesting when we drive.

499
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:41,280
Because when I'm driving with you and you're driving, all the crazies are out.

500
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,280
And they're driving slow and you're trying to go around them

501
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,280
and you're saying things that you have to repent for.

502
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,280
Oh, that's a little exaggerated.

503
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,280
No, not much.

504
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,280
But when I drive, I didn't have any of that.

505
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,280
Literally, it was such an easy, calm, peaceful drive.

506
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,280
Well, sounds like I'm the common denominator there.

507
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,280
I think you are.

508
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,280
You did tell the church that that is the one area that you have a hard time with.

509
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,280
Definitely. I have my fully human moments.

510
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,280
I'm glad there's not a gun on, what do you call it?

511
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,280
On the hood of my car.

512
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,280
With a trigger on the steering wheel.

513
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,280
It would be carnage all over the road.

514
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,280
Farmer Joe is always in front of you.

515
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,280
I'm certain God puts him there on purpose.

516
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,280
To do what?

517
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,280
To calm you down.

518
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,280
Yes, and someday it will work.

519
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,280
To make you enjoy the journey.

520
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,280
You always talk about enjoying the journey.

521
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,280
And I'm always like, I just want to get to our destination.

522
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,280
And you're like, no, but you've got to enjoy the journey.

523
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,280
See, this is why I appreciate Tina Curry.

524
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,280
Oh, because she is just like you.

525
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,280
We get each other on this.

526
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,280
And Adam and I just want to enjoy the journey.

527
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,280
Adam, I know you're going to hear this later, but 67 miles an hour, it was killing me.

528
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,280
Oh my gosh, I would love that.

529
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,280
It looked like a tour bus.

530
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,280
He was in no hurry.

531
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,280
He was living up in a down world.

532
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,280
He had no agenda.

533
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,280
I didn't have a break on my side, but I sure wish I had a gas pedal.

534
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,280
It would not have bothered me at all.

535
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,280
But we got there safe and sound, and I'm so proud of you going to get Tina.

536
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,280
That's kind of a win for you.

537
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,280
For people that don't know me.

538
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,280
I have a lot of anxiety in really tough traffic.

539
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:30,280
It started happening when we lived in Nashville, which is one of the reasons why I wanted to get away

540
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,280
and live in a small town.

541
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,280
But it was fine.

542
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,280
I did fine.

543
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,280
I passed the test.

544
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,280
I'm really proud of you, Ashley.

545
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,280
You did.

546
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,280
I'm super proud of you.

547
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,280
So we had a request.

548
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,280
Meta, Pugh, Meta, Meta.

549
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,280
Not Meta, it's Meta.

550
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,280
She goes to our church.

551
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,280
Wonderful.

552
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,280
Our husband, Tom, he's just kind of helping us.

553
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,280
Oh, helping us.

554
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,280
He's head usher.

555
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,280
Running our usher ministry and host ministry.

556
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,280
We need him because our church is growing.

557
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,280
He's taking it to a new level.

558
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,280
We're packed, and it's just sometimes hard to get people in the seats and stuff.

559
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,280
He's an amazing guy.

560
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:09,280
Meta wrote in and just said, Hey, would you all talk about grace and forgiveness?

561
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,280
I said, Oh, we can talk a lot about grace and forgiveness.

562
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:18,280
So we, on Sunday, our worship leader in production, who's head of production,

563
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,280
he's an associate pastor, Russ Hearn.

564
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,280
He just picks the bumper videos.

565
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,280
He'll send me a couple and go, Hey, which one you think works?

566
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,280
And he always, man, he just, he knows my heart and he knows what I like.

567
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:37,280
And he showed this bumper video of a jar that fell off of the table and cracked open,

568
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,280
you know, broke.

569
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,280
And then on the screen, all these things start coming up.

570
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:48,280
Divorce, grief, loss, all kinds of things.

571
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,280
Addiction.

572
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,280
Diagnosis.

573
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,280
All kinds of things.

574
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,280
And I mean, abandonment, rejection.

575
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,280
All these words are flying at you.

576
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,280
And you lean over me and say, We've experienced every one of these.

577
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,280
Of course, I was like, everybody here has experienced every one of these.

578
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,280
This is the world that we live in.

579
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,280
It is.

580
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,280
It's very difficult.

581
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:17,280
I have been starting this series talking about God's love for people

582
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:23,280
because I think in the middle of all the distraction and all the craziness

583
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:28,280
that's going on in the world, whether you're addicted to the news feeds

584
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,280
or you're addicted to social media or you're addicted to TV or whatever,

585
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:37,280
we're just taking in so much more information than we were meant to.

586
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,280
Our hearts were not created to handle everything that's coming our way.

587
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:45,280
Look at what's happening in the schools and with all the young students that...

588
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,280
They're overwhelmed.

589
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,280
And they're all depressed.

590
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,280
Many are on antidepressants.

591
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,280
Anxiety and depression.

592
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,280
Yes, they have anxiety issues.

593
00:39:54,280 --> 00:40:02,280
I don't think I've met a child recently that is not dealing with some kind of issue like that.

594
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,280
And a lot of it has to do with what we're filling our minds with.

595
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,280
Well, think about it.

596
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,280
These things that we hold in our hand, these screens,

597
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,280
whether it's a tablet or iPhone or a galaxy or whatever,

598
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:20,280
they have more information coming to them on a moment-by-moment basis

599
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,280
than most people knew in a lifetime a hundred years ago.

600
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,280
Technology, which can be very helpful,

601
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:32,280
and I'm thankful for so many advances in science, especially in the medical industry,

602
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,280
some really neat testimonies there.

603
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:42,280
But what's happened is we're overwhelmed with images and articles and propaganda.

604
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,280
A lot of it that's even designed to spin us up.

605
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,280
And it's creating such chaos in people's lives.

606
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,280
And so now we have to come in and say,

607
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,280
wait, you forgot something.

608
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,280
You forgot how loved you are.

609
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,280
You forgot how important you are.

610
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,280
You forgot that you are worthwhile.

611
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,280
You forgot that Jesus died for you.

612
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,280
That's how much he loves you.

613
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,280
And so I'm having...

614
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,280
I almost feel like I'm starting from behind the line.

615
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,280
If you're racing a hundred-meter sprint,

616
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,280
but you're ten meters behind the line, you're already at a deficit, right?

617
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,280
It's going to be hard to win that race.

618
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,280
And I feel like so much of what we're doing, other pastors as well,

619
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,280
we're having to help people just get to ground zero right now

620
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,280
because they're so overwhelmed because life is hard.

621
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,280
And the world is coming at you fast.

622
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,280
Well, and then if you have issues with unforgiveness

623
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,280
because you've been harmed in some way, hurt in some way,

624
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:48,280
rejected, that is a very, very tough issue to get over.

625
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:53,280
And honestly, I don't believe you can do that without Jesus Christ, period.

626
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,280
I don't know how anyone...

627
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,280
Self-help is a myth.

628
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:58,280
It is.

629
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:06,280
I mean, you go into Barnes & Noble and you see the section titled self-help is massive.

630
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,280
It's one of the biggest sections in the whole store

631
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,280
because everybody's trying to say, well, it's four keys to this

632
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,280
and it's five steps to this and four or whatever,

633
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,280
the ABCs of success in life.

634
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:29,280
And we need someone, not just something, we need someone

635
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:34,280
that's bigger than all of this to take us by the hand and lift us up,

636
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,280
lift our feet up out of the miry clay, to use a Bible phrase,

637
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,280
lift our feet up out of the miry clay and set us on a rock

638
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,280
because we cannot do it ourselves.

639
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,280
Well, how do you handle when people come to you and say,

640
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,280
I'm having a hard time with unforgiveness towards someone,

641
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,280
how do you handle that with them?

642
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:58,280
You know, I've even just recently had what I think is a revelation on that.

643
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,280
And a revelation means something's been revealed that you didn't know prior.

644
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,280
And I even brought it up on Sunday.

645
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,280
I used it in terms of grace.

646
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,280
So grace and forgiveness go a lot hand in hand.

647
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,280
I used this phrase, I said, you know, and I'm going to say this to you listening

648
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:18,280
because you need to hear this, is that until you can forgive yourself

649
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:26,280
and be gracious with yourself, it's almost impossible to forgive others.

650
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:31,280
And the only reason why I can forgive myself and have grace towards myself

651
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,280
is all I have to do is think about how much grace and forgiveness

652
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,280
God through Jesus Christ and His Holy Spirit has shown to me.

653
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,280
It continues on a constant basis.

654
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:47,280
And so you heard me, I really went there on Sunday on that topic

655
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,280
because it's almost like God was showing it to me in real time

656
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,280
and I was like, oh my gosh, this is huge.

657
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,280
And I just said, you've got to be gracious to yourself.

658
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,280
Have some grace for you.

659
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,280
We all have fully human moments or as Pastor Robert Morris calls it,

660
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,280
we're divinely human.

661
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,280
We're both divine.

662
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,280
We have the God Imago Dei, image of God, and we're human.

663
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,280
We have fully human moments.

664
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,280
And every person in the Bible had the same.

665
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,280
They were the same.

666
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:19,280
They're us.

667
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,280
They are just like us.

668
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,280
Different culture, different time, but same human dynamics.

669
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:30,280
And so on those days when you just feel like, I know I need to forgive this guy.

670
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,280
I know I need to let this go.

671
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,280
You need to look in the mirror and start with you.

672
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,280
You've got to forgive yourself.

673
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,280
You've got to forgive yourself for missing it, for blowing it,

674
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,280
for missteps, for mistakes, for bad choices.

675
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,280
You cannot live looking in the rear view mirror.

676
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,280
The kingdom doesn't have a car with a rear view mirror.

677
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,280
It only goes forward.

678
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,280
And you have to begin to say, I'm going to release myself.

679
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:01,280
And the reason I can forgive myself is because God in Christ has already forgiven me.

680
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:09,280
When I was thinking about this, when I made that comment to you about forgiveness,

681
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,280
and I think about, and I've said this before on the show,

682
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,280
but I'm going to say it again.

683
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,280
When I was having issues with my father and my ex-husband for that matter,

684
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:24,280
but let's just talk about my father growing up in a very abusive home,

685
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:29,280
when I became a Christian, I didn't easily forgive him

686
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,280
because I didn't understand the concept of forgiveness.

687
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,280
But as I grew in my walk with the Lord and matured,

688
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,280
I was able to come to a realization that there was something

689
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:48,280
that must have happened to him in his childhood or early adulthood or whatever

690
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:58,280
that caused him to become an abuser and an alcoholic in our life, in his life.

691
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:04,280
And so I had to come to that realization that this wasn't about me.

692
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,280
This was about something that happened to him.

693
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:13,280
And I really went from contempt to compassion for him.

694
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:19,280
And when you begin, another thing is to me, when you really need to forgive someone,

695
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,280
pray for them.

696
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:28,280
When you pray for someone, you can't be in anything but love for that person eventually.

697
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,280
Now at first, you're, ah, forgive that person, you know,

698
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,280
and you're just, you're kind of mad, okay, I'm going to forgive him.

699
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:39,280
And then he does something else again to you, and you continue.

700
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:44,280
But there's a point in time when it really takes hold.

701
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:51,280
And you can let go and realize you've got to love that person no matter what.

702
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,280
It doesn't mean, you can still set boundaries, obviously.

703
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,280
Of course, absolutely.

704
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,280
And you have to.

705
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:03,280
But you can have the love, but it's a love that's different than just,

706
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,280
you know, we have a love for people where we want to spend time with people

707
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,280
because we love them.

708
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:13,280
But then there's another kind of love that God gives us for all people

709
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,280
that don't look like us, they don't act like us,

710
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:22,280
they don't have the same values, but we can still love that person.

711
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,280
That's a love that only God can give.

712
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,280
No one else can give that.

713
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:33,280
And so that's what I, when I think of forgiving, I think of praying, loving,

714
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,280
letting go, let God love through you.

715
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,280
You can't do it physically and of yourself.

716
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:40,280
You can't.

717
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:41,280
It has to come from the Lord.

718
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,280
Love that.

719
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,280
So with you on all those points, and we've had to walk this.

720
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,280
We have.

721
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:47,280
We'll always have to.

722
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,280
Again, life's not lived in a straight line.

723
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,280
Exactly.

724
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,280
We'll walk that again.

725
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,280
Exactly.

726
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,280
It would be wonderful if you think, okay, well, I've had,

727
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,280
I got offended once and I got over it now, it'll never happen again.

728
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,280
No, no, no.

729
00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:59,280
No.

730
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,280
It's just preparing you for the next level.

731
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,280
Exactly.

732
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,280
It will be worse next time.

733
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,280
And that's not a, I don't want to.

734
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,280
And it's like a test.

735
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:05,280
It's not fatalistic.

736
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,280
It's not fatalistic.

737
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,280
It's not fatalistic.

738
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,280
And you have to keep repeating.

739
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,280
Exactly.

740
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:10,280
Until you get it right.

741
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,280
Well, and then there's other tests.

742
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,280
There's higher levels.

743
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,280
Exactly.

744
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,280
And so, yeah, I actually was talking to a lady on Sunday, precious, precious lady, older

745
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,760
lady, and she was talking about having a hard time forgiving someone.

746
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,440
I mean, after we just talked about it.

747
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:27,000
And I said, you need to forgive them for your sake, not just theirs.

748
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,840
I said, unforgiveness is a prison of our own making.

749
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:31,840
Right.

750
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,160
And I said, you're trapped in your own prison.

751
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:41,280
And I told her, I said, just because you forgive them doesn't mean that there's not consequences

752
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:42,280
for what they've done.

753
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:43,280
Exactly.

754
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,360
There are natural and logical consequences.

755
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,800
God always has the last word.

756
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,680
And they're, but that's not for you.

757
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:52,680
That's boundaries.

758
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:53,680
Yes.

759
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:54,680
You've got to let them go for you.

760
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:55,680
For her.

761
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:00,440
Because you can't live tethered to that issue, that problem, that person.

762
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:01,440
She dwells in it.

763
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,360
And then as she's talking about it, she has starts having a visceral reaction.

764
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:06,360
Oh my goodness.

765
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:07,360
Wow.

766
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:12,560
And I said, and I patted her on the shoulder and she said, you need to let them go for

767
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:13,560
your sake.

768
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:14,560
For your sake.

769
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,560
And it doesn't condone their behavior.

770
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:17,560
Exactly.

771
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:18,560
And I was clear with that.

772
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,200
And I think people don't have a realization of that.

773
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,200
They don't have that revelation.

774
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,360
I think if I forgive them, that means what they did was okay.

775
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,960
That is not true.

776
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:28,960
Never.

777
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:34,160
That ever happened to me in my lifetime that was horrific is okay.

778
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:35,960
But I've let it go.

779
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,840
I've released it and given it to the Lord.

780
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:39,840
He judges them.

781
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:40,840
I don't.

782
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:41,840
That's right.

783
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:42,840
That's right.

784
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:43,840
I let it go and move on.

785
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,920
When we let them go, it's actually releasing us.

786
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:46,920
Exactly.

787
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:53,760
So forgiveness for me is, is, is releasing myself from a prison.

788
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,280
That's what unforgiveness is.

789
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,200
You bind yourself to them.

790
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,200
Right.

791
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,200
When you don't forgive, you actually think about them all the time.

792
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:04,200
You see their car.

793
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,200
You're repulsed by them.

794
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,800
You see their car in a parking lot and you go somewhere else.

795
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:09,800
Right.

796
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:10,800
I've done that before.

797
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:11,800
I've driven up into a parking lot.

798
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:12,800
We've all done that.

799
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,360
I was like, no, I'm not, can't handle it.

800
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:16,760
I'm not, I'm not ready for that.

801
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:17,760
Turn around and go out.

802
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,000
And then later I'm like, now why did you do that?

803
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,600
It's time to grow up.

804
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:22,600
Exactly.

805
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:23,600
Let it go.

806
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,160
John Eldridge has a great little exercise.

807
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,280
He calls it the one minute pause.

808
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,920
It's a simple little prayer where he says, you go to Jesus and you say, you say, Lord

809
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:38,000
Jesus, I give everyone and everything to you.

810
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,480
I give everyone and everything to you.

811
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:47,040
And I've pulled that into my vocabulary and you know, it's okay to adopt other people's

812
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,800
prayers and adopt phrases that work.

813
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,400
And so I would encourage you listening, if you're struggling with that or just you're

814
00:50:54,400 --> 00:51:00,400
facing things during a given day, go back to the simple phrase, father, I give everyone

815
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,680
and everything to you.

816
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,240
And if you have to say it five times, say it again.

817
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:06,440
I give everyone and everything to you.

818
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:07,760
I release it.

819
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,600
I let it go.

820
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,080
And you may have to say it again and again.

821
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:19,200
And even if you don't get peace after you say it, just know you have made a declaration

822
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,320
that is important and it does change things.

823
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,080
The peace will come, it will come eventually.

824
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,080
It will.

825
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:27,080
It just takes time.

826
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,080
But keep going.

827
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,080
Keep stepping down.

828
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,520
So when Mayda was asking you about grace, do you know what the context of that was?

829
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,520
No, there was no context in that.

830
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:41,160
I think it was in relationship, relational context.

831
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:46,360
For example, you and I, I mean, we have to walk in grace to each other.

832
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,200
So we got to show ourselves grace.

833
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:55,640
Actually, if I ever flare up with you nine times out of 10, I'm actually mad at myself.

834
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,600
I know that I am too.

835
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:58,600
We get ashamed.

836
00:51:58,600 --> 00:51:59,600
Why did we go there?

837
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:00,600
Why did we do that?

838
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:01,600
Why did we blow up?

839
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,800
But then we blow up on the other person, but we're actually mad at ourselves.

840
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,880
Because we're safe with one another.

841
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:08,880
That's true.

842
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:09,880
Absolutely true.

843
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,640
We are very safe with each other and we've been together 30 years.

844
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,040
We've been through a lot together.

845
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,440
So when one of us blows up, it doesn't create massive drama.

846
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,600
It usually kind of ends right there.

847
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:22,600
We don't care.

848
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:23,880
It wasn't that way in the early days.

849
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:24,880
No, no.

850
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:30,600
Early on, we had to learn how to fight fair and we had to learn what it meant to have

851
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,200
grace for each other and then feel safe.

852
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,280
And that is powerful.

853
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,880
Just learning to be safe with one another and knowing that there's nothing in that,

854
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:45,720
that Jimmy Pruitt can say to Jimmy Pruitt that's going to cause him to leave ever, no

855
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:46,720
matter what.

856
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:51,080
And once you get that, then, but here's the thing.

857
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,120
Once you feel that safety, you actually do say things.

858
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,000
Sometimes you regret and that'll sometimes escalate things.

859
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,000
We have our moments.

860
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,240
My gosh, we just do.

861
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:04,480
We're human beings being human.

862
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,000
And so there are times, you know, they don't get too volatile like they did in the early

863
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:15,080
days, but still we have moments, you know, we had a moment last night over the guitar.

864
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:16,080
Yeah.

865
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,080
That's right.

866
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,080
Yeah.

867
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,320
Cause I was like, Hey, cause I had mentioned to you about, you know, this guitar and you

868
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,960
wanted to buy, but it was out of production and they were doing another run on them.

869
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:30,240
And I, and I saw online yesterday that they had, they're going to be releasing them out

870
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:31,240
now.

871
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:32,920
So you asked me for the credit card.

872
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,760
I said, so, no, I said it this way.

873
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,400
I said, well, just letting you know that guitar is available now.

874
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,760
And I said, what did I say?

875
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,600
I think you said, you think, wow.

876
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,280
He said something about, I don't understand why you need it.

877
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,760
I said, go ahead, put it on the card.

878
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,920
But I don't understand when you have 12 guitars hanging.

879
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,160
So that flipped a switch.

880
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:54,160
It did.

881
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,640
And you got a little testy.

882
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:56,640
You got testy.

883
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:01,920
I got frustrated because I thought I had a full green light, but then you do.

884
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:02,920
Right.

885
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:03,920
Got it.

886
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:10,160
And I'm saying that my feelings and, and then I, I flared up at you and I felt horrible

887
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:11,320
about it.

888
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,240
And then this morning you apologize.

889
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:15,000
Of course we didn't go to bed mad or anything.

890
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,000
Not really.

891
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,440
I mean, we just don't, I mean, we don't hold things anymore.

892
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,480
You know, I was mad at myself last night.

893
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:22,480
I wasn't mad at you.

894
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:23,480
Actually it was mad at me.

895
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:29,880
Well, and if you recall a few weeks ago, I told you there's a guitar through Veritas.

896
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:30,880
Is that what it's called?

897
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:31,880
Yeah.

898
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:32,880
Veritas.

899
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,360
And that's what I said is top one.

900
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:35,360
It's the ultimate.

901
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:36,360
It's the Cadillac.

902
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:41,440
And I'm like, why don't you hold off and get the ultimate?

903
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,640
And you're like, ah, I don't know.

904
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,120
I just, I want this one.

905
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,040
And I'm like, why?

906
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:54,120
When you can have the ultimate, you can just get rid of five guitars and have the ultimate,

907
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:55,120
but that's not a good guitar.

908
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:56,920
Guitar players don't do that.

909
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:57,920
Right?

910
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,360
There's something called gas.

911
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:00,800
All guitar players have gas.

912
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:01,800
Yeah.

913
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:02,800
What is that?

914
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:03,800
It's gas.

915
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:04,800
What do you mean?

916
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:05,800
What is it?

917
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:06,800
Gas.

918
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:07,800
We all have gas.

919
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,600
It's guitar or gear acquisition syndrome.

920
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:10,600
Oh my gosh.

921
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:11,600
Is that what that is?

922
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:12,600
It is.

923
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,080
So all my guitar friends go, yeah, I got gas really bad here.

924
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,080
Oh my God.

925
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:17,760
I have never heard you say that.

926
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,120
I haven't because you're not a guitar player.

927
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:21,120
No, I'm not.

928
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:22,120
That's spinning.

929
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:23,120
Yeah.

930
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,920
There's just something about musicians, you know, and instruments, you know, every instrument's

931
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,160
got a different tone, sound, feel, all that.

932
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:37,120
But most, most musicians live on a quest for the right sound and the right feel.

933
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:38,920
They want to bond with the instrument.

934
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:43,600
Aren't most musicians, aren't they in a band or no, I don't know.

935
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,000
I have a standing gig every week.

936
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,000
Every week.

937
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,000
Wow.

938
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,000
Maybe the church should buy you.

939
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,000
No, they shouldn't buy you a guitar.

940
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,920
I played through COVID when paid musicians weren't getting to play.

941
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,960
I still had a standing gig every weekend.

942
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:57,960
You did.

943
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:58,960
You still had to play.

944
00:55:58,960 --> 00:55:59,960
No, it's a love thing.

945
00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:05,400
It's a love of the game and the fact that for me, my playing is worship.

946
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,240
It's another expression that's outside of my voice.

947
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:13,320
I guess it's like, you don't understand why I need another dress because, you know, I

948
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,000
like to buy dresses.

949
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,560
But what do I tell you?

950
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:17,560
Go get what you want.

951
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,560
And what did I say with the guitar?

952
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:20,560
Get it.

953
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,840
I said, just because I don't understand it doesn't mean you can't have it.

954
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,200
But you, you chose not to.

955
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,120
You changed your mind.

956
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,760
And I put a different neck on that.

957
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,360
And now it's a brand new guitar again.

958
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,360
It's like a new guitar.

959
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:33,360
Oh my gosh.

960
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:38,360
Well, if that's all it takes, I'll just start switching all the necks around.

961
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,120
Start screwing everything, pulling my guitars apart for me.

962
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:42,120
Yeah.

963
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,760
So yeah, but that's part of the dynamic of grace too.

964
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:50,280
Grace is, grace, so grace means this.

965
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:54,080
You're here to identify it as or define, most Christians say it's unmerited favor.

966
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,960
You know, you're getting something that you didn't really deserve.

967
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:02,760
And that's, that's an element of grace, but really grace is God's power.

968
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,720
It's God's strength.

969
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:06,320
It's God's authority.

970
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:12,240
It's God's favor on your life to do what you cannot in and of yourself do.

971
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:18,800
So when I'm being gracious towards someone, I'm exercising what I don't have in myself.

972
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:25,720
It's actually a complete abandonment to say I trust, I trust God's goodness.

973
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:30,280
And so I'm going to be gracious, which means I'm going to, I'm going to act towards you

974
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,440
beyond what I normally would.

975
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:37,640
In other words, I might get frustrated or I might hold a grudge or about one to even

976
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:38,640
retaliate.

977
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:45,400
But when you're gracious and you're living a grace laced life, then you actually go above

978
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,680
and beyond a completely let things go.

979
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:54,360
You just switch a neck instead of saying, well, I wasn't applying it to that situation.

980
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,560
Yeah, yeah, you look for alternatives.

981
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:57,560
Okay.

982
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,160
I don't, I'm not going to do that.

983
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,400
I'm going to take a step back and do something different.

984
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,960
That's not going to cost a dime.

985
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,920
And and yeah, I'm going to enjoy the guitar and have fun with it.

986
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,120
And now we're smiling.

987
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,080
And boy, look at those pearly whites you got going on there girl.

988
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,080
My teeth hurt.

989
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,080
Why do your teeth hurt?

990
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,200
This whitening, you know.

991
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,560
So Annette did this like, no, we talked about it on the show.

992
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,480
The industrial grade whitening.

993
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,760
And it's like creating.

994
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:32,040
It's like having toothache on every tooth you have.

995
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,040
It's it's been tough.

996
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,400
I can see the pain in your face right now.

997
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:37,400
I can see it.

998
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:38,400
It is the process.

999
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:39,760
You look like you're hurting right now.

1000
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:40,760
Yeah.

1001
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,200
Mr. Chevy, you doing okay over there?

1002
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,240
Listen, guys, we love y'all so much.

1003
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:45,980
Thank you so much for the comments.

1004
00:58:45,980 --> 00:58:50,320
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1005
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,920
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1006
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:53,920
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1007
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,360
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1008
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:58,480
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1009
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,600
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1010
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,000
And if you need help, I mean, in terms of just whatever we can do to help in terms of

1011
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:10,400
counsel, encouragement, scripture, we always want to be here for you.

1012
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,520
We're proud of you in the sense that you're even listening to the show because you're

1013
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:15,640
going to learn some things.

1014
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:20,840
We feel like we've 30 years of marriage and I'm not even going to say our age because

1015
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:21,840
I don't want to hear your story.

1016
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:22,840
We already do that.

1017
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:23,840
Did I?

1018
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:24,840
Well, we're getting up there.

1019
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,320
Just say we've got some miles, some trade wear on our tires.

1020
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,160
But we love you guys.

1021
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:45,840
Have an amazing week on purpose and go out there and live up in a down world.