1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:28,000 This is Jimmy Internet and we are living up in a down world. 2 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,000 We are coming to you this morning, barely morning, actually it's literally afternoon, 3 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,000 about two minutes. 4 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:38,000 We are coming to you live and in person and in my pajamas. 5 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:43,000 This is Monday, usually on Monday we take our Sabbath. 6 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Sometimes we don't even make the bed on Mondays. 7 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,000 I said that out loud. 8 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Our kids are going to fall over if they hear this. 9 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Nobody should be coming over. 10 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,000 It's a Sabbath. 11 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,000 It's a Sabbath. 12 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,000 We're supposed to rest. 13 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:02,000 It's a rest day, it's a recovery day because Sundays are always crazy, amazing, brutal. 14 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Yesterday was really long. 15 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,000 But it was good because we had two services and then we had an event. 16 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Membership class. 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,000 Yeah, membership class right after the service. 18 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,000 So that's just like you're on from the second you get there. 19 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,000 And then the night before we went out with a bunch of people. 20 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,000 What were we thinking? 21 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,000 What were we thinking? 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,000 Why did I say yes to that? 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,000 It was actually a lot of fun. 24 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,000 It was. 25 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,000 But Saturday nights are really hard for us. 26 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:29,000 We didn't get, because there were storms in the area too and we were dodging those. 27 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,000 The best was driving back. 28 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:36,000 It took us, I guess we didn't get to bed until after midnight. 29 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,000 Which is a big no-no for us on Saturday night. 30 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,000 On a Saturday night when you have to get up at what time. 31 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,000 We're not exactly party animals. 32 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,000 So we had a great time. 33 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Great people though. 34 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:51,000 And you know, it was such a reminder that we get to do life with people. 35 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,000 That's what living up in a down world is all about. 36 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,000 It's finding the good in everything and saying, wow, this is a great moment. 37 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,000 I need to capture that in my mind. 38 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 I took some pictures while we were there. 39 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,000 But just the people that we were with, they all attend our church. 40 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 There were 16 of us total. 41 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,000 16 of us. 42 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,000 Which is amazing that you can get 16 people to commit to an evening out. 43 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,000 No kidding. 44 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,000 And they were fun. 45 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,000 This is a fun group of people that, they're life lovers. 46 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:23,000 Most of them are on the edge of retirement or semi-retired. 47 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,000 And they're just, they're in this really good place in life. 48 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,000 And they meet together a lot as a group. 49 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,000 Like a connect group. 50 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,000 They have a group of other people that they meet with. 51 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,000 Just to talk about the Bible. 52 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Do life together. 53 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,000 Have fun together. 54 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,000 And so they invited us into their world. 55 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,000 And we just had such a great time. 56 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,000 In the middle of that, I had a moment where it was really loud. 57 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,000 We were in this restaurant out in Utopia, Texas. 58 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,000 Which is really cool. 59 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,000 Seven days of Utopia. 60 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,000 Seven days in Utopia. 61 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,000 Yes, that's where the movie was filmed. 62 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,000 Was in that town. 63 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,000 In that little town with Robert Duvall. 64 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,000 But it's a neat place. 65 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,000 And it's a beautiful part of the Hill Country. 66 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,000 And that's where we live in the middle of the Hill Country. 67 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,000 It's about an hour and a half, near a two hour drive over there. 68 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,000 But it's so beautiful. 69 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,000 And it's this restaurant. 70 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,000 And this lady is a chef who's trained in Paris and all these high places. 71 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,000 And she makes amazing food. 72 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,000 Farm to table type stuff. 73 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,000 The whole place is beautiful. 74 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,000 You drive up and you're like, oh wow. 75 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,000 This is paradise. 76 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,000 And so we had a great time. 77 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,000 We all went together. 78 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,000 We rented a bus. 79 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,000 It was like a big limousine. 80 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Because you didn't just sit. 81 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,000 You faced each other when you were sitting. 82 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Right, right. 83 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,000 So you could talk the whole way and engage. 84 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,000 We offered drinks and snacks. 85 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,000 It was great. 86 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,000 It was really neat. 87 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,000 It was neat. 88 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,000 What a great way to go out with a bunch of friends. 89 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,000 And so anyway, we did that. 90 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,000 And in the middle of all that, I had a moment where I'm sitting there. 91 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,000 I've been having these engaging conversations. 92 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,000 It's loud. 93 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,000 It's raucous. 94 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,000 Because it's just good people having a good time. 95 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,000 And I just had that moment. 96 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,000 Jesus would literally, if He was here in the flesh in person, 97 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,000 He would literally be in the middle of this. 98 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,000 He sure would. 99 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,000 He would be enjoying this. 100 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,000 It reminded me of how Jewish people do life together. 101 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,000 They wine and dine. 102 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,000 They have fun. 103 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,000 They're jovial. 104 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,000 They're loud. 105 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,000 They are loud. 106 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,000 You think they're always mad at each other the way they talk to each other. 107 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,000 That's just their nature. 108 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,000 That's their nature. 109 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,000 That Eastern way. 110 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,000 And I just had that moment. 111 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,000 And of course, as I was thinking, and I said, but you are here. 112 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,000 You're literally here in the middle of all this. 113 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,000 But if you were alive and in person, He would have been right in the middle of that. 114 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,000 Right. 115 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,000 And Tina and Adam joined us as well. 116 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,000 And of course, we're all talking to Adam. 117 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,000 And he's telling lots of amazing stories, as he always does. 118 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,000 That brother is fascinating. 119 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,000 He is. 120 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:58,000 And by the end of the evening, he literally had very little voice. 121 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,000 And I was worried for him. 122 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,000 Which is not good for the pod father to lose his voice. 123 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,000 No, that's how he makes a living, much like you. 124 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,000 We both make a living with our mouths. 125 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,000 So I was worried because the next day he's doing his No Agenda podcast. 126 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,000 Huge podcast. 127 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,000 Three hours long of just talking. 128 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,000 And I was worried for him. 129 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,000 I was too. 130 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,000 I was praying for him. 131 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,000 And I was concerned for him. 132 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,000 I reached out to him after the show. 133 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,000 And he had pressed through. 134 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,000 I was OK. 135 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,000 I haven't listened. 136 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,000 I want to hear it. 137 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,000 I want to pull it up to see what his voice sounds like. 138 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:33,000 But speaking of Adam and Tina Curry, just one quick boost to our friends. 139 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,000 He is the pod father. 140 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,000 He invented podcasting 18, 19 years ago with another guy. 141 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,000 And he's the reason why anybody has a podcast. 142 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,000 Millions of people have podcasts now. 143 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,000 Because of him. 144 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,000 And it's because he had a dream. 145 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:51,000 He had a vision of what it could be to make a platform where people could have a voice. 146 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,000 And what I love about Adam is he continues to dream. 147 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,000 And he has more dreams that he's releasing to us little by little. 148 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,000 And it's interesting. 149 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,000 I'm really excited to see what God's going to do with him. 150 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,000 Because his dreams are changing. 151 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,000 I saw the eye of the tiger when he was telling us about it. 152 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,000 I'm like something's going to happen. 153 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,000 Because he's got to fix on something. 154 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,000 And he really feels the Lord's leading him in this. 155 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:22,000 And man, I'm excited to be on the journey with him and see how that goes. 156 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,000 But I want to encourage you to check out their podcast, Curry and the Keeper. 157 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,000 They've been going over a year with that podcast. 158 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,000 And they're so delightful. 159 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,000 They're such amazing people to use Tina's word. 160 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,000 They're lovely people. 161 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,000 She uses that a lot. 162 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,000 I think that is beautiful. 163 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,000 They're lovely. 164 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,000 I do too. 165 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,000 I don't think I've ever met anybody that used that word to describe people. 166 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,000 I've kind of absorbed it in my vocabulary too. 167 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:53,000 Tina and I, we spend so much time together that I'm taking some of her vocabulary. 168 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,000 Because it's so beautiful. 169 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,000 It really is. 170 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,000 I have an Adam taking one of your anettisms. 171 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,000 He said, that's so funny. 172 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,000 You're so funny. 173 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,000 Which is what I've said for 30 years. 174 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,000 The virus has hit. 175 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,000 We're all starting to settle in. 176 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000 That's what happens when you spend a lot of time together. 177 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:15,000 And by the way, last week we got to attend the Mercy Me concert. 178 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,000 That was a great segue, by the way. 179 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,000 Very smooth. 180 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,000 You're like a pro. 181 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,000 I'm learning from the best, Adam Curry and Tina. 182 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,000 You're looking at me, but you said Adam's name. 183 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:35,000 Tina is who I'm really listening to and trying to take notes on how she does it. 184 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Let's talk about what happened last Sunday. 185 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:44,000 We talked a little bit leading up to it in the last show about how Michael Schusner, 186 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,000 I cannot pronounce his last name. 187 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,000 I'm sure he'll text you when he hears this. 188 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,000 He'll be listening to this. 189 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,000 Michael, he's one of the guitar players, Barry's the other guitar player. 190 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,000 Michael reached out to me in regards to Adam Curry. 191 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,000 I won't go into the detail of that. 192 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:06,000 But it ended up being they invited us to their concert in San Antonio at the Boeing Tech Center, 193 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,000 which is a new venue, very cool venue. 194 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:14,000 And Micah Tyler was fronting them and Taya, who is from Hillsong. 195 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,000 She's the one who sings Oceans, so she's known by that. 196 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,000 So they were the front bands and they did a fabulous job. 197 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 It was really good. 198 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,000 But there was a whole other level when Mercy Me came on the stage of production 199 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:32,000 and sound and sights and Spirit, Holy Spirit was in that place. 200 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,000 So I'd been in contact with Michael. 201 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,000 We arranged it. 202 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:44,000 As soon as we were done with, we had to wait on Adam because he was doing the No Agenda podcast. 203 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,000 And he had to finish at five and then we had to get on the road. 204 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:53,000 Because it started at seven and they wanted us there early enough so they could visit with us. 205 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,000 We're going to just hang out backstage, meet some guys. 206 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,000 I think we got there at 6.20, something like that. 207 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,000 Worked out perfect though. 208 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,000 And we're sitting there trying to get in the back parking lot where the buses are parked. 209 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,000 And security's like, no, no, no. 210 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,000 I don't see your name on here. 211 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,000 And we're like, dude, we're with the band. 212 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,000 Did you feel special? 213 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,000 I did when Michael came and got us. 214 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,000 He walked out and saw us. 215 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,000 And he said, no, no, let them in. 216 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,000 And it wasn't because he's like, let Adam in. 217 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,000 Totally about Adam. 218 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,000 I know that. 219 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,000 I have no problems with that. 220 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,000 We were just along for the ride. 221 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,000 But it was such a sweet ride. 222 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,000 So anyway, him and then Nathan, the bass player, came out. 223 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,000 And then Barry, the other guitar player, came out. 224 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,000 And they're big time fans of Adam and John DeVorek. 225 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,000 Michael had a t-shirt on that he made. 226 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:49,000 He had a t-shirt made, a merch t-shirt that had a Kareem DeVorek. 227 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,000 He said consulting company or something. 228 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,000 It was hilarious. 229 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,000 So hilarious. 230 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,000 He wore it through the concert. 231 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,000 He did. 232 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,000 It was great. 233 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,000 We got some great pictures of that. 234 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,000 So we just hang out with those guys and got to know them and had great conversations. 235 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,000 I have to tell you about Mercy. 236 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,000 I got to brag on these guys. 237 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,000 Before I brag on their music, I got to brag on them. 238 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,000 Those guys, they're the real deal. 239 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,000 They are genuine. 240 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,000 They really are. 241 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,000 They're down to earth. 242 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,000 They are unpretentious. 243 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,000 They do not have the superstar. 244 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,000 They're one of the biggest bands in Christian music. 245 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,000 They had so much humility. 246 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,000 Oh, they're just great guys. 247 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,000 They weren't like I had thought in my head could happen. 248 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,000 I didn't think they'd be that way. 249 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,000 I really didn't. 250 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,000 We lived in Nashville. 251 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,000 We've been around a lot of that. 252 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,000 But I've seen some. 253 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,000 But I didn't know. 254 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,000 I never saw that on them. 255 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,000 It was really, they were beautiful. 256 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,000 I mean, it was just amazing. 257 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,000 They were. 258 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,000 It was amazing. 259 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,000 We got to meet Scott Brickell. 260 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,000 Scott Brickell, if you ever saw the movie, I can only imagine. 261 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,000 And if you haven't, see that movie. 262 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,000 It's about Bartmiller, the lead singer's life in the band and how they got started. 263 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,000 And it's a compelling story. 264 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,000 It's a beautifully made movie. 265 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,000 Great soundtrack. 266 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,000 It is so well done. 267 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:05,000 And Scott Brickell is the Nashville manager that found them and discovered them. 268 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,000 And Trey Atkins played him. 269 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,000 Trace Atkins. 270 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,000 I can see why Trace Atkins played him. 271 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,000 I can too. 272 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,000 Scott looks like Trace Atkins. 273 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,000 I was dumbfounded when I saw him. 274 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,000 He's got the big ponytail. 275 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,000 He's got the look. 276 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,000 But he's the nicest guy. 277 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,000 Intimidating look. 278 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,000 Is he so big? 279 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,000 Well, yeah, he's a big guy. 280 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,000 He's just a bit, well, I'm five. 281 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,000 Oh, right, right. 282 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,000 Almost five-three. 283 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,000 Right. 284 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,000 So yeah, I was pretty intimidated by his look. 285 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,000 But he's been with them for 30 years. 286 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,000 30 years. 287 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,000 He was with them from the beginning. 288 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,000 He's still with them. 289 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:40,000 And just so cool to see how he, as a handler, was around. 290 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,000 And we got to be backstage before the concert. 291 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,000 Then Michael walked us out to our seats. 292 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Then Michael's son. 293 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,000 Took us. 294 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Such a sweet kid. 295 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:56,000 Took Tina and I and Adam to go pick out any merchandise we wanted. 296 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,000 Get as much as you want. 297 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,000 He said we couldn't do that. 298 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,000 So while I'm waiting on y'all, the road manager, Daniel, comes out. 299 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,000 And he sits with me. 300 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,000 And I had asked about him earlier because John Lynch said, 301 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,000 You've got to meet Daniel. 302 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,000 Daniel, the road manager, he is such a heart for God. 303 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,000 He's such a humble guy. 304 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,000 Please, please connect with him. 305 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,000 And he connected with you. 306 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Yeah. 307 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,000 And so while you guys were out getting merch, I was sitting there 308 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,000 waiting for the next show to come on and just had the most beautiful visit with Daniel 309 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,000 about grace, about the message and life of grace 310 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,000 and understanding the new covenant life that Jesus talks about. 311 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:40,000 That most of us don't have a clue what Jesus really did for us. 312 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,000 No. 313 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:46,000 How much the highest price bought the highest thing is our freedom. 314 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,000 Not religion, but freedom and relationship. 315 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,000 So Daniel and I going back and forth, it's like we're brothers from another mother moment 316 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,000 where it's like, we've got to get time together somehow, so we're going to figure that out. 317 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,000 But anyway, then the show came on. 318 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,000 Oh my gosh, they just killed it with the production. 319 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,000 The production factor is so high. 320 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,000 My favorite was them sitting around. 321 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,000 Was it a fake fire or was it? 322 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Yeah, honey, they're in a venue. 323 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,000 There's a fire ring that looked real. 324 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:18,000 It was a little far away from me because of my contacts. 325 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,000 They're sitting on little benches and they're doing a total acoustic moment. 326 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,000 That was my favorite part of the whole concert. 327 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,000 So the whole time, what was neat was to see 3,500. 328 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,000 It was a sellout. 329 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,000 Which they could have gone to a lot bigger venue. 330 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:40,000 And Michael told me later that the San Antonio crowd was one of the best crowds on the tour. 331 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,000 Just the energy, the engagement. 332 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:46,000 I got goosebumps talking about it because I get emotional talking about it 333 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:51,000 because when I see 3,500 people worshiping God together, 334 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:55,000 there is something that is special about that and powerful. 335 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,000 And boy, I didn't expect it to be a worship concert. 336 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,000 Well, I did a little bit because of them. 337 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,000 But there really was an element of worship. 338 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:09,000 And Bart Millard is such a great front guy because he's just very relaxed. 339 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,000 He's very comfortable in his skin. 340 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,000 He understands grace. 341 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:19,000 Almost every song they write now is about grace and the power of grace. 342 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,000 Explain grace. 343 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:26,000 Grace is...so my professor, one of my favorite professors, Dr. Frankie Rainey, 344 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:32,000 said grace is, and he used an acronym, God's riches at Christ's expense. 345 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,000 So that Jesus paid the highest price for the greatest riches. 346 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,000 What does that mean for us? 347 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,000 It means this. 348 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Grace is God's power. 349 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,000 It's God's strength. 350 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,000 It's God's ability. 351 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,000 It's God's authority. 352 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,000 And God's favor. 353 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,000 And God's favor on our lives. 354 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,000 It's not just unmerited favor, although it is, but if you ask most people, 355 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,000 what is grace? 356 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,000 Oh, that's God's unmerited favor. 357 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,000 We'll define that. 358 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,000 You get a blank stare. 359 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,000 I don't know what that is, right. 360 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Because they've just heard that over and over. 361 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,000 It's part of our Christianese that we have. 362 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:07,000 But it really means you've got authority, power, favor, enablement. 363 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,000 If it's just unmerited favor, Jesus didn't need unmerited favor. 364 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,000 He was sinless. 365 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,000 But what he did need was power. 366 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,000 And grace is power. 367 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,000 It says that when the apostles were working miracles, it says, 368 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,000 and great grace was upon them. 369 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,000 That's not unmerited favor. 370 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,000 It's actually an empowerment for miracles. 371 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,000 So grace is a whole lot more. 372 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,000 We have the empowerment to not sin. 373 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,000 I mean, we sin, obviously. 374 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,000 But I love what you said, and I've been with you 30 years, 375 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,000 so I've heard this, that we're not sinners. 376 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,000 We're saints who occasionally sin. 377 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,000 Absolutely. 378 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,000 And the thing is, is that we have the power to overcome that 379 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,000 through the Holy Spirit. 380 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,000 That is what grace is. 381 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,000 It's the power to overcome sin. 382 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,000 It doesn't have to rule and reign in our life. 383 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,000 We literally can get above that. 384 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,000 The Bible says that sin shall no longer be your master. 385 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,000 Exactly. 386 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,000 And that's what grace does. 387 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,000 And so the message of grace, it's almost like, man, 388 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,000 I don't want to say it and sound weird, 389 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,000 but it's almost like being born again, again. 390 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,000 Because you do, you receive Christ, you get saved. 391 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000 Depending on what kind of church you're in 392 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,000 and the theological stream they are, 393 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,000 sometimes we can get saved by grace through faith, 394 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,000 Ephesians 2-10, but then we end up in legalism 395 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,000 and rule following. 396 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,000 Exactly. 397 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,000 And I grew up, because I'm a rule follower, 398 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,000 and everything is used to... 399 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,000 Well, everything used to be so black and white, 400 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,000 and I had to do everything exactly like it was said. 401 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,000 So even when I came to Christ, it was like, 402 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,000 okay, God said we can't do this, we can't do this. 403 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,000 But I was living an Old Testament Christian life. 404 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,000 Right, right. 405 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,000 Not realizing... 406 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,000 Old covenant. 407 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,000 Yes. 408 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,000 That's called. 409 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,000 Yes. 410 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,000 And so not realizing that what Jesus had actually done, 411 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,000 because I was always, oh Lord, please forgive me, 412 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,000 because I let you down. 413 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,000 I messed up again. 414 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:11,000 And yes, we do need to own up to when we're not up to par 415 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,000 where we should be, obviously. 416 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,000 But I wasn't living up in a down world, 417 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,000 I was living down in a down world. 418 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,000 Which is brutal. 419 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,000 Because I was constantly... 420 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,000 It's like, why do we even need to be saved 421 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,000 if that's what it's about? 422 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,000 Exactly. 423 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,000 Where it's just, you're dragging your faith 424 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,000 and your Christianity around like a ball and chain. 425 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,000 Well, I was trying to please Him, 426 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,000 because I always wanted to please my family 427 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,000 that I grew up in. 428 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,000 So here's another way to say that. 429 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,000 You learned performance. 430 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,000 You were performing. 431 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,000 I was performing. 432 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,000 You were trying to score brownie points. 433 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:49,000 Instead of just resting in His love for me no matter what, 434 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:54,000 and living my life out of gratitude for what He's done. 435 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,000 What a difference. 436 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,000 Man, to live a grateful life, that's living up in a down world. 437 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,000 It is. 438 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,000 When you're grateful, and when you can find in any situation, 439 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,000 which is a high valley, I mean a high mountain or a low valley, 440 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,000 you can find good. 441 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,000 You can see the good in it. 442 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,000 You can see the gold in the hills. 443 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,000 Which brings me to your message yesterday. 444 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:18,000 You started a new series called No Perfect People Allowed. 445 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:22,000 Which, you know, you've been saying this for seven years in our church. 446 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,000 And we have an invisible sign. 447 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,000 We always ask people, what does it say? 448 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,000 And I love when they repeat back. 449 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,000 I wish they would wait to put that on the screen so that... 450 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,000 I know, they did a cheat sheet. 451 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,000 Yeah, it's like, alright, come on. 452 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,000 Because I have this thing I do where I go, alright everyone, 453 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,000 what does that sign say on the wall over there? 454 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,000 Of course there's no sign over there, but we've done this so long. 455 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,000 And everyone yells out, No Perfect People Allowed. 456 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,000 And so that's how we kicked off the series, just saying, 457 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,000 that's what this is about. 458 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,000 I really feel God's grace and favor on this series. 459 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,000 I had planned to do this a while back, 460 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,000 and then I noticed that Pastor Robert Morris at Gateway Church 461 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,000 was doing a series called Divinely Human, 462 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,000 which is basically the same thing. 463 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,000 It's the same thing. 464 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,000 We're both divine. 465 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:12,000 We have the Elohim element in us, the image of God. 466 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,000 But we also are human. 467 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:19,000 So we have both, and we are partakers, or part-takers. 468 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:24,000 We take part of it, because right now we see in part, prophesy in part, all that. 469 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,000 But there will be a day when we will be known, and we will fully know. 470 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,000 It's going to be glorious. 471 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,000 And that's all about the heaven piece that we talked about. 472 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,000 So if you're listening today, first of all, welcome to the broadcast. 473 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,000 We're so glad you're here. 474 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,000 Our heart for you, and the only reason we're doing this, 475 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,000 is because we want to encourage you, whoever you may be. 476 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,000 This may be the first time you've ever listened to us, 477 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,000 and you're going, Oh, they're going down the Jesus thing. 478 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,000 Yeah, we are. That's who we are. And we're going to be who we are. 479 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,000 That's who we live our life for. 480 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:58,000 I want to encourage you, if you have not ever engaged Christianity, 481 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,000 to even look at it, because you might have had a bad experience. 482 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,000 Because sometimes Christians can be knuckleheads. 483 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,000 Really? 484 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:08,000 Just say it like it is. We can be dorks, where people get hurt. 485 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,000 But that's the divinely human piece. 486 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,000 No perfect people allowed. 487 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:17,000 And I want to help you understand, if you ever meet anyone who's a Christian, 488 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,000 and they're coming off as perfect, just know they're not telling the truth. 489 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,000 We all struggle. Right now we see in part, we know in part. 490 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,000 Run, forest, run. 491 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,000 I love that. Jenny. But anyway, I love that movie. 492 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,000 So I started down that track yesterday. 493 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,000 And I love how you started it with your story. 494 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,000 I told the story of my divorce, again, which I've told several times. 495 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,000 I didn't get into all the details. 496 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,000 But I had to have my own grace awakening. 497 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,000 Yes, you did. 498 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:53,000 Because when you're standing there, when you're in your last two semesters 499 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,000 of your graduate degree, your seminary degree, 500 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,000 you're already on staff at a church, you just got promoted to full-time, 501 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,000 and it looks like things are going really good. 502 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,000 And then the bottom drops out. 503 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,000 Literally everything falls off. 504 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,000 That is life. It never drops out at the right time. Hello. 505 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,000 Yeah, it was not convenient. It was not a good time. 506 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,000 You could have waited a year and a half. 507 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,000 Not even a year and a half, another year I would have finished right then. 508 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,000 So I ended up having to go back to my campus, 509 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,000 and I call it the Walk of Shame, 510 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,000 where I had to go to all my professors and say, 511 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,000 I don't know if I can stay. My wife just left me. 512 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,000 Did they encourage you to stay, or did they say, 513 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,000 you need to do what you need to do? 514 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,000 No, they were great. 515 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,000 Every one of them were so kind and so gracious. 516 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,000 And they referred me to a counseling program there at the school. 517 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:46,000 They have a huge counseling department there at Southwestern Seminary in Fort Worth. 518 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,000 And they said, look, you get free counseling. Go over. 519 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,000 And I went over there, and they got me right in, 520 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:57,000 and I sat down with a guy, and man, he just walked me through some basic things 521 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,000 and gave me some perspective. 522 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,000 And it was great, and it was gracious. 523 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,000 And what you didn't tell the church, which, you know, we have a lot of new people. 524 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,000 Right. 525 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,000 But we'll say it here, is your church did a vote. 526 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,000 What happens in the Baptist church? The elders do a vote. 527 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,000 It wasn't the elders, it was the whole church. 528 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,000 The whole church, sorry. 529 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,000 It's called a vote of confidence. They call it a special meeting. 530 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,000 I didn't know it was a whole church. 531 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,000 It has to be like the Salem witch trials. 532 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,000 Oh my gosh. 533 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,000 Burn witch, burn witch. That's how you feel. 534 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,000 But they do a vote of confidence. 535 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,000 A vote of confidence. Gosh, can you imagine getting a no? 536 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,000 Just to let you know, if you're going to get to stay as a pastor, 537 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,000 or if you're out because you're going through the... 538 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,000 It was brutal. I almost quit before they did that, 539 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:47,000 because I thought, I can't take another humiliation, another rejection. 540 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,000 No. 541 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,000 Because already, it was like... 542 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,000 I can't even imagine. 543 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,000 I felt like I had the scarlet letter on my head already. 544 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,000 Here I am a pastor. 545 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,000 And the ministry was fruitful. Our student ministry had exploded. 546 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,000 You did have some deacons in the church. 547 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,000 You had mentioned that... 548 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,000 Deacons, yeah. They weren't elders. They were deacons. 549 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,000 They were very... 550 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,000 They were a little bit mean, I'll just put it that way. 551 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,000 They didn't care for you that much. 552 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,000 But I have to be honest, I was pretty edgy. 553 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,000 Well, you are a little edgy. 554 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,000 Yeah, well, I wasn't raised in church. 555 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,000 So I didn't know all the right things to say and do. 556 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,000 So here I am, this young youth minister. 557 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,000 But let me just say, the youth ministry was thriving. 558 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,000 Things were going great. 559 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,000 And then when the wheels fell off, 560 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,000 I thought, these guys are going to crucify me, these deacons. 561 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,000 And they didn't. 562 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,000 And they didn't. 563 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,000 They showed me grace. 564 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,000 And they said, we want you to stay. 565 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,000 The whole church voted for you to stay. 566 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,000 They did. 567 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,000 But you said, I can't. 568 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,000 I thanked them that night. 569 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,000 I went back to where I was staying. 570 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,000 I'm glad you didn't, because you wouldn't have moved to Lubbock 571 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000 and we would not have met. 572 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,000 No, it all worked out. 573 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,000 God, it all works together for good, right? 574 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,000 So I prayed for that week. 575 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,000 I met with my pastor, who was wonderful, 576 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,000 Pastor Don Longoria, if you ever hear this. 577 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,000 You're still friends with him. 578 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,000 Just know I love you. 579 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:07,000 And we'll never forget how you showed grace to me as a young man 580 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,000 and as a friend. 581 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,000 You were gracious to me, and you were gracious to my ex-wife, too. 582 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,000 You did the right thing in everything. 583 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,000 And so thank you. 584 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:20,000 If you ever hear this, I love you and appreciate you and value you. 585 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:25,000 So the next week, I really felt like I don't think I can stay and heal. 586 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,000 I had been there for four years. 587 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,000 So her and I had so many friends in the church. 588 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,000 It's a small, small town. 589 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,000 Yeah, small town. 590 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,000 Everybody knows you. 591 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,000 It would not have been a great deal. 592 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,000 I think it would have prolonged my healing, 593 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,000 and I needed to get on the road to recovery. 594 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:44,000 Yes, because God needed to you to meet me at the end of that year. 595 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,000 That's exactly right. 596 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,000 The next Sunday, I got up, and I tendered my resignation and just wept. 597 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,000 How was the church? 598 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,000 What was the response of the church when you did that? 599 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,000 Oh, family. 600 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,000 It was like somebody being deployed overseas 601 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,000 and not knowing if you'll ever see them again. 602 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:08,000 It was just hugs and love, and they were just gracious and beautiful, lots of tears. 603 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,000 That was hard. 604 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,000 Wow. 605 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,000 That was hard. 606 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000 I actually thought I would be there a long time. 607 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000 I fell in love with our little community. 608 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,000 You talked about it to me for years. 609 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,000 I've never aspired for big stuff. 610 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,000 I'm just not that guy. 611 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,000 No, you never have. 612 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,000 I'm not ambitious. 613 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,000 So I've never chased big things. 614 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,000 I've just chased God things. 615 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,000 And if it's in a smaller town, a smaller church, I'm great with that. 616 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,000 I just want to be in the center of God's will. 617 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,000 No matter where it is. 618 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,000 Not in building my kingdom or build His. 619 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,000 And God's been so gracious through the years. 620 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,000 So here we are, and then we meet after that. 621 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000 So I want to move away from that. 622 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,000 So I told that story, just not all the details, but I told that story. 623 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:50,000 And when you went to that Bible? 624 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,000 So yeah, here's, let me land the plane on this story. 625 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:57,000 So I go to the Baptist bookstore, which is called Lifeway there 626 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000 on the edge of the seminary campus. 627 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,000 I walk in the store, there's thousands of books in the store, thousands. 628 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:08,000 And it's where you did all your books, buying for classes, and then everything else. 629 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000 So it's a full large store. 630 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,000 I walk in and I'm thinking, I need to find a book. 631 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,000 But I had no idea what. 632 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,000 I didn't talk to anybody. 633 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,000 Nobody had given you any indication? 634 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:25,000 I just walked in and I looked at one of the first shelves or ranks of books I came to. 635 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,000 There was a book, however, once in a while you walk in, people have pulled them out 636 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,000 and they don't put them back in, they just set them there. 637 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,000 There was one sitting there facing me on the bottom shelf too. 638 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,000 And I just walked in and noticed it. 639 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:42,000 And it was a book by Chuck Swindoll called The Grace Awakening. 640 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,000 And when I read that book, it set me free. 641 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,000 It changed your life. 642 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,000 It changed my life. 643 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,000 So you were talking about grace long before others. 644 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,000 Oh, I was a grace guy long before grace was turned into a cool… 645 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,000 But you were a…there are some grace messages, I just have to say this, 646 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,000 that have gone way too far and they don't have grace for people who don't. 647 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,000 Yeah, sometimes grace people can be ungracious. 648 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,000 They can. 649 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,000 And so you've never been there. 650 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:15,000 You've always been gracious towards everyone and yourself even. 651 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:21,000 And so you have a different message, I think, than most of the grace messages we've heard. 652 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,000 I appreciate that. 653 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:30,000 I think partly because I didn't get the grace message through a teaching or through theory. 654 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,000 Exactly. 655 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,000 That's the difference. 656 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,000 I had to live it. 657 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,000 I had to grab hold of the hymn of Jesus' Karmic. 658 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,000 And you had to dig into the Word about what the Word says. 659 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,000 What does the Bible say? 660 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,000 Yeah, exactly. 661 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:48,000 It's just like when you lead communion and you talk about this is the new covenant. 662 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,000 That's what Paul said when Jesus was given out the wine. 663 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,000 He said, this is my blood of the new covenant. 664 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,000 Oh, there it is. 665 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,000 That's it. 666 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,000 That one little phrase changed everything. 667 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:08,000 And we as Americans and Westerners, we don't see that because we don't have a history of law 668 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:14,000 and the sense of having to live under the 613 rules and all that of the Old Testament, the Old Covenant. 669 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,000 So we don't have that perspective. 670 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:21,000 But to a Jewish person, for someone to say the new covenant, they're going, what new covenant? 671 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,000 There's only one covenant. 672 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,000 Well, actually, there was multiple covenants. 673 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,000 Noah's covenant, Moses, Abraham. 674 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:33,000 There were covenants, but there was the primary covenant, the Levitical, where all the Levitical writings came out of. 675 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,000 And the laws came out. 676 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,000 That's the law. 677 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,000 And they talk about the covenant. That's what they're talking about. 678 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:47,000 And for that Jewish person to be introduced to a new covenant, I have to believe that the table, the atmosphere, 679 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,000 the barometric pressure probably changed in that room. 680 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,000 Changed, because they're like, what? 681 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,000 We've never heard of anything like this. 682 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,000 Wait, about that new covenant. You know they were like, what? 683 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,000 And that new covenant meaning Jesus died once for all. 684 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,000 We don't have to go slay an animal. 685 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,000 We don't have to. 686 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,000 No more blood has to be spilled. 687 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,000 Sorry, my phone's going off. 688 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,000 So that's like, what? 689 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,000 Now, we don't understand that, because we didn't grow up that way. 690 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,000 We didn't grow up in a Jewish or Eastern culture, so we don't even have a concept of covenants. 691 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,000 We're all about contracts, which are easily broken. 692 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,000 In fact, contracts are almost made to be broken. 693 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000 You know, we always look for the loopholes. 694 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,000 So that's our culture. 695 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,000 We don't understand the power of covenant. 696 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,000 But as you grow in Christ, hopefully you learn. 697 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,000 You study. 698 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,000 That's why we're supposed to study, to show ourselves approved unto God, the Scripture says. 699 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,000 And so as we study and learn, we find that, oh my gosh, 700 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,000 what Jesus was talking about was a game changer. 701 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,000 It's massive. 702 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,000 It means I no longer have to labor under the rules and regulations. 703 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,000 I'm free to live. 704 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,000 That's the whole point of the new covenant, is free to live. 705 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,000 Again, some people take that to where I can do whatever I want. 706 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,000 Well, why would you want to do something that's not good for you or pleasing to God? 707 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,000 Why? 708 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,000 Exactly. It's called a relationship. 709 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,000 Because same thing. 710 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:16,000 I would never want to do anything that's unpleasing to you or that's going to hurt your and my relationship. 711 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,000 We would never do that intentionally. 712 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000 We may do that accidentally, because life happens. 713 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,000 Right. 714 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,000 We say we're not perfect. 715 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,000 Caught in a moment. 716 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,000 Right. Exactly. 717 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,000 No perfect people allowed. 718 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:31,000 So what happens is that people labor under the law, and then you find grace. 719 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:36,000 And that's what the whole point of grace is, is to realize that whom the Son sets free, 720 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,000 the scripture says in John 8.36, is free indeed. 721 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,000 Free. I mean, you are free to live. 722 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,000 Jesus said this in John 10. 723 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,000 The thief comes only except to steal, kill, and destroy. 724 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:54,000 And then Jesus says this, but I came that you that might have life 725 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,000 and have it to the full. 726 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,000 More abundantly. 727 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000 More abundantly. Over the top is what it means. 728 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,000 And so Jesus, that's why Jesus came. 729 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,000 So we could live, like we could do, go to a concert with MercyMe, 730 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,000 and just dance and praise and shout and sweat and have fun and meet people. 731 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,000 God was meeting people all around us. 732 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,000 And meet, that's life to the full. 733 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:21,000 It's going out with a group of 16 people in a big limousine bus 734 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:27,000 to eat at this amazing place and have great food, great fun, 735 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,000 great fellowship, great drink, great everything, 736 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000 because we were sharing life. 737 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,000 And that's what Jesus died for. 738 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:40,000 And to think that God, who is a good Father, would look down on us 739 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:48,000 and want us to live horrible lives or want us to be depressed and hopeless. 740 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,000 No, the whole point is life to the full, 741 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,000 which means sometimes you have to find that life in a down world. 742 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,000 And that's why we name this, living up in a down world. 743 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,000 You really do have to find it. 744 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,000 Based on John 10, 10 basically, that He came to give us life. 745 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,000 And I'm a champion for it. 746 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000 Our worship pastor, I love Pastor Russ. 747 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,000 Russ Hearn and Wendy are the most precious people. 748 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,000 They really are. 749 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,000 He says, Jimmy, you're a missionary to the church. 750 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,000 He said, I feel like God's called you to awaken the church 751 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,000 to the life that they're missing. 752 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000 They may be saved, they may be Christians, 753 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,000 they may attend church and do all the churchy things, 754 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,000 but they still haven't found life in it. 755 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,000 You're here to introduce them to life. 756 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,000 And so, yeah, I'm a positive guy. 757 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000 I don't just see the bucket half full. 758 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,000 I see it overflowing. 759 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,000 Because I've lost everything. 760 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,000 I know what it's like to be without. 761 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,000 I know what it's like to go through the valley of the shadow. 762 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,000 And you didn't lose everything because you did something wrong. 763 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,000 You lost everything because you did a lot of right things. 764 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,000 But this is what happens in a fallen world. 765 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,000 I mean, we have challenges that come up. 766 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,000 And for you listening, I mean, every time, 767 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000 let me just put it this way, I'll be crass. 768 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,000 Every time crap happens, you have a choice to make. 769 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,000 Am I going to let this take me down, 770 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,000 or am I going to find the good in it? 771 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,000 Because there's always good in it. 772 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,000 There's always hope. 773 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,000 You lose your hope, you've lost everything. 774 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,000 And so that's one thing I never let go of. 775 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,000 There's always something to learn in every challenge that we go through. 776 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,000 Absolutely. 777 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,000 And I think God allows us. 778 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,000 He allows things because we live in a fallen world. 779 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,000 So crap's going to happen. 780 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,000 Maybe we learn how to forgive one another. 781 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,000 We learn how to love one another better. 782 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,000 Even when we've been wronged. 783 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,000 You know what I'm saying? 784 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,000 It's not about getting revenge on someone. 785 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:51,000 It's about God, okay, I was wronged by these people. 786 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,000 So how do I handle this? 787 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000 And what can I learn from it? 788 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,000 What can I learn so that I can help others who get damaged by other people 789 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,000 be able to walk this out? 790 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,000 We ask the question, how can I live a higher life? 791 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,000 Okay, there's only one road, right? 792 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,000 Everybody says, well, there's a high road and a low road. 793 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,000 I believe there's only one. 794 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,000 It's the high road. 795 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,000 And it hurts sometimes to take the high road because that means you can't take revenge. 796 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,000 You can't go seek validation for yourself. 797 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,000 Because the first thing we do when we get hurt, we go rally friends. 798 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,000 And we want people to tell you, I'm okay. 799 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,000 You're okay. 800 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,000 You didn't do anything wrong. 801 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,000 We do that. 802 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,000 That's human nature is to rally people for validation. 803 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,000 But when you take the high road, you have to say, I choose to live above it. 804 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:40,000 My reputation gets tarnished because I didn't throw somebody under the bus. 805 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,000 We had that happen to us in church. 806 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000 We had some people leave. 807 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000 And people that have been in the church a long time said, 808 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,000 why didn't you announce to the whole church? 809 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,000 No, why would we do that? 810 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000 What really happened? 811 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,000 It's none of their business. 812 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,000 First of all, I'm not going to put anybody down who's left our church, 813 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,000 whether they were mad or not. 814 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,000 To me, I look at the bigger picture, 815 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:06,000 and that's living up in a down world from a higher perch. 816 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,000 I grew up two blocks from Texas Tech University in Lubbock. 817 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,000 And they had their big band field out up against 19th Street. 818 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000 And so we drove by it all the time. 819 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,000 And they had this big tower, like an eagle's nest, 820 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,000 where the band director, he was up in this massive tower 821 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,000 so he could look down onto the field and direct the team, which is the band. 822 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000 He could direct the team. 823 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,000 And he had a microphone up there. 824 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,000 Because he's up there, he can see the whole picture. 825 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,000 He had a better view. He had a better perspective. 826 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,000 And so I've chosen, and it's a hard choice sometimes, 827 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,000 because I want to validate, too. 828 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000 I want people to tell me I'm okay. 829 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,000 I don't want to be blamed or get thrown under the bus 830 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,000 and then not be able to throw somebody back under the bus. 831 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,000 But the higher road dictates. 832 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,000 That's not the way you live a Christian life. 833 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,000 The higher road dictates you just eat it and keep moving forward. 834 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,000 You said you love your enemies. You pray for your enemies. 835 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,000 It doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. 836 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,000 I've shared things with friends of mine, especially Tina, 837 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,000 that out of my hurt, but not to put people down, 838 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,000 but to say, this is hurt. 839 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,000 This is my hurt that I'm having to deal with 840 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,000 because it's a challenge in my life that we have to deal with. 841 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,000 It's painful. 842 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,000 I refuse to let it pull me all the way down. 843 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,000 I can't live that way. 844 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,000 So what you do and what we've had to do is we've had to set boundaries 845 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,000 around our lives because we both live very open lives. 846 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,000 Well, we're in a fishbowl because we're pastors. 847 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,000 We are. That's in so of our kids. 848 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,000 And so we've just had to live that way. 849 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,000 So we've never been real self-protective oriented. 850 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,000 I told about my divorce in church on Sunday, 851 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,000 and I had a guy reach out to me yesterday 852 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,000 and wants to meet and talk to me about it 853 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,000 because he was raised in a different kind of church. 854 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,000 Can you be a pastor when you're divorced? 855 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,000 He wasn't mean-spirited about it. 856 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,000 He just wants to visit with you. 857 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,000 I felt myself going, ah, here I was. 858 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000 I put myself out there to the whole church, 859 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,000 and then I feel like I kind of got a... 860 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,000 But I don't think it's that. 861 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,000 He's a good guy, and I'm not worried. 862 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,000 He just came out of a very conservative church background. 863 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,000 He wants to talk about it. 864 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,000 So I'll talk to him about it. 865 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,000 I will. I will. We'll open that up. 866 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,000 But anyway, for you listening, 867 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,000 first of all, our heart is so for you. 868 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,000 I know I say it over and over. 869 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,000 I'm a broken record on this, 870 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,000 but it is true because we want you to find joy in the journey. 871 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,000 We want you to live up in a down world, 872 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,000 and we want to help you. 873 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000 I really appreciate it. 874 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,000 I've had some folks write in this last week, 875 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,000 and I've written back to them, 876 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,000 and it's so good to hear from you. 877 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,000 Go to our website. 878 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,000 Downworld.com. 879 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,000 How easy is that? 880 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000 LivingUpInADownWorld.com. 881 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,000 I put my daily devotionals. 882 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000 I write a devotional every morning. 883 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000 I've done this for nearly 20 years now. 884 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,000 Maybe it is 20 years. 885 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,000 I keep saying 18 years, four years ago. 886 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,000 Over 20 years, I have written a devotional every morning, 887 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,000 and I post it every morning on social media, 888 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,000 Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, 889 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,000 and then I put it on our website, 890 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,000 LivingUpInADownWorld.com. 891 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000 It's under blog. 892 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,000 Just click on blog, and you'll get it every day. 893 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000 Also, all of our podcasts on there. 894 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,000 By the way, this is podcast number 16. 895 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000 Wow. 896 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,000 It just time flies when you're having fun, right? 897 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,000 It sure does. 898 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,000 It is weird to think we've done 16 of these. 899 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,000 I know. 900 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,000 How much I've fought you for the first five. 901 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,000 You were sick. 902 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,000 You didn't feel good. 903 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,000 By the way, you're gorgeous. 904 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,000 You're so sweet. 905 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,000 I didn't even introduce Chevy today. 906 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,000 Chevy's with us. 907 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,000 He gets so excited. 908 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,000 We sit down to do the podcast. 909 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,000 He's like, oh my God. 910 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,000 We were going to do it yesterday, and you were getting everything ready. 911 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000 He was like a little kid in a candy store waiting. 912 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000 He was so excited. 913 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,000 Then I fell asleep. 914 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,000 We were so tired. 915 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,000 I was like, I'm sorry, I just need a little cat nap. 916 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,000 It turned into a long cat nap. 917 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,000 Then you said, let's just do it tomorrow. 918 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,000 I appreciate that. 919 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,000 I am going to go walk four miles in just a minute. 920 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,000 You go, girl. You're on fire. 921 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,000 I've got to go get dressed. 922 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000 You take off. I'm going to land the plane on the show. 923 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,000 I do want to say something to our listeners and thank them. 924 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,000 I want to thank you for listening. 925 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,000 I want to thank you for being with us. 926 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000 We so appreciate and so value you. 927 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,000 That's why we're doing this podcast. 928 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,000 We'd love to hear from you. 929 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,000 I don't know what platform you listen to us on. 930 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,000 If you would go to Fountain, it's an app. 931 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,000 You can get on your phone. 932 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,000 Just download the app. 933 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,000 Find us on Facebook. 934 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,000 Just download the app. 935 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,000 Find us on Fountain. 936 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,000 If you will listen to us on Fountain, you'll actually earn Satoshis. 937 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,000 I mean, it's an amazing value for value platform. 938 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,000 Podcast 2.0. 939 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,000 It's something Adam Curry invented. 940 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,000 What is it? 941 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,000 Brilliant idea. 942 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000 But what it is basically, 943 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,000 instead of us asking for donations to help us fund this 944 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,000 and resource it, 945 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,000 you can go to Fountain and literally just listen to it 946 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,000 and you'll actually earn Satoshis while you're listening. 947 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,000 Then you can donate those sources to the foundation. 948 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,000 You can donate those sources while you're listening. 949 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,000 Then you can donate those forward. 950 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,000 It really helps us continue this. 951 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,000 We always want to broaden our platform. 952 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,000 Of course, add equipment over time and all that. 953 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,000 We're young and new and starting, 954 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,000 but we're having a ball doing it. 955 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,000 We hope you're encouraged. 956 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,000 If there's any way we can help you, do write us. 957 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,000 Do write us. 958 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,000 I'll write you back personally 959 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,000 because I do want to encourage you. 960 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,000 Again, it's livingupandadoworld.com. 961 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,000 Now, I'm also a pastor at Bridge Church 962 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,000 in Fredericksburg, Texas. 963 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,000 We have a thriving church 964 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000 that's growing and alive with God's Spirit. 965 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,000 People are learning to live up in a down world 966 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000 and I'm telling you, you can feel it in the atmosphere. 967 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,000 But we actually put our services online. 968 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,000 We broadcast, so we would love for you to check it out. 969 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,000 It's at 970 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,000 BridgeFBG.com. 971 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,000 BridgeFBG.com. 972 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,000 BridgeFBG.com. 973 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,000 You can find, even on the front page, 974 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,000 if you'll scroll down, 975 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,000 you'll see the services and you can watch our services there. 976 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,000 We're also on YouTube 977 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,000 and you can find us at 978 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,000 Bridge Church, Fredericksburg, Texas. 979 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,000 If you'll just look it up. 980 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,000 There is a Bridge Church, Virginia. 981 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,000 Don't go there. It's a different church. 982 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,000 Bridge Church, Fredericksburg, Texas. 983 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,000 We have a channel there. All of our messages are online. 984 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,000 We even keep the worship on there as well 985 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,000 if you want to enjoy that. 986 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,000 Or you can go always fast forward right to 987 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,000 the message. 988 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,000 So, no perfect people allowed. 989 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000 That's the series we're doing. 990 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000 We're going to be talking about that and that night together on the program. 991 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,000 So, we love you. Have an amazing 992 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,000 day and an amazing 993 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,000 week on purpose. 994 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,000 Keep your buckets filled and go out there 995 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000 and leak life and make beautiful 996 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,000 messes where you go. 997 00:41:47,000 --> 00:42:03,000 God bless.