All right. You about ready to kick it off? I'm
going to start off with prayer today. Okay. And
you are beautiful. So, so love the colors. Thank
you. I have to get you to wake up, though. You're
going to need some more coffee. I know. Father,
in the name of Jesus, thank you for the privilege
of doing this podcast. Lord, our heart and our
prayers to help people in whatever way we can,
mind, body, and spirit. So, Lord, as we talk
today and share and converse, Lord, may what
is said honor you, glorify you, and literally
bring lift into the lives of others in Jesus'
name. And everybody said. Everybody. Everybody
said. Everybody. This is Jimmy and Annette, and
we are coming to you from the studio at Bridge
Church in Fredericksburg, Texas. Hello, beautiful.
Hello. Stunning as always. It's been a while.
It's been a minute. You've been interviewing
a lot of other people. That is true. I've been
pretty busy. You've been very busy. I have. You've
been stuck, too. You've been grounded. I was
stuck, and now I'm not stuck, but the kitchen's...
It's not just the kitchen. Kitchen, bathroom,
utility room. It's still not done. Yeah. How
long have we been doing this? This has been an
ongoing saga, so to speak. Almost 14 months.
Yeah. It's been a while. It's been a minute.
14 months. But the last six weeks have been like...
Oh, man. I know. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's
crazy. Like lightning, but not fast enough. Yeah,
I know. I know. Well, time has passed. I'm glad
we're back on the podcast together. We traveled
last week, so we didn't do one. Hey, it was my
idea to do it today. That was your idea, and
I'm like uber proud. I know. You almost fell
over. I almost did. You would have had to pick
me up. Yeah. Fan me. Well, we had such a great
week. Wow. Because we took our vacation, and
then we had a meetup, which we'll talk about
today, with our carnivore friends. The highlight.
Absolutely amazing. No, I shouldn't say that.
I got to see our grandson for the first time.
That was definitely the highlight. We had two
highlights. Colin James Lighthizer. Colin James
Pruitt Lighthizer. Is Pruitt still in there?
I forgot that. They kept that name. He's going
to have a complicated name. I feel sorry for
him. K -J -P -L. That's a pretty lengthy initials.
That sounds like a radio station. I know it does.
Four letters, right? But he looks like a linebacker.
I mean, he looks like he's ready to get on the
gridiron and go hit somebody. You know, it was
hard on me because all of our grandkids live
away from us. And Alicia always lived really
close to us, so I got to be somewhat close to
our grandkids. And now she's in Nashville, so
we have to travel. They're a lot. Darn. Oh my
gosh. Oh darn. Have to go to Nashville. Because
I have to, he needs to know his Nana. Our kids
are really spread out. I mean, that's, it's kind
of the sign of the times, right? People are mobile,
jobs are all over. Our family's in ministry.
So that puts us, takes us all over the place.
And so anyway, our kids in Houston, our kids
in Nashville, and one of them, thank the Lord,
is here. And her husband, Brandon, Faith and
Brandon. So we're thrilled that they're under
us. And we have a granddaughter in California.
So they're everywhere. Wow. We want to welcome
our listeners today. So glad that you joined
us today. So good to have Pastor Annette, Mama
A, Dame Annette back. So happy, happy. Nana?
Well, I think you've had some good interviews
and you've got some more coming up. It's been
great. In your pocket that you're waiting in.
By the way, I got invited today, this morning.
I didn't get a chance to tell you. TD from the
Texas Boys. Oh. We met them at the meetup in
Austin. He invited me. He wrote me this morning
and invited me. I was wondering if he was going
to do that. Yeah. I thought, they need to have
you on there. Well, I'm a Texas boy, so I'll
fit right in with their family. They have a huge
family. They do homesteading, and they do carnivore.
They have a ranch. They raise their own cattle.
And they showed the pictures. them and talked
about their at our meetup and it was shocking
to see the difference. Yeah, they have a great
carnivore journey story, which we're going to
talk a little bit about carnivore today because
this is a part of our lives. So here's how we
approach this podcast. And really, this is how
we approach life. We don't really do anything
different on a podcast than we do in real life.
These conversations we have here with you basically
are the conversations we have. We just turn a
microphone on and it's our life. But mind, body
and spirit, living a life of balance, living
a life. of integrity, of integration. So taking
these parts, the mind, the mental state, the
body, obviously the physical and the spirit,
our walk, our faith life, those all integrate
into a whole person, right? Mind, body, spirit.
And so if any one of those are pulled out or
shorter or not. not in balance with the others,
then it doesn't work. It's dysfunctional. And
so we bring all that to the table. So we've not
talked as much about our carnivore journey because
we always want to be sensitive to where people
are, but we realized this is who we are. We can't
not talk about it. We were invited to a meetup
in Austin. Talk about that. Because we're featured
in a documentary that is being made right now
for Netflix and a series. And we were featured
in it. They actually came to our church and our
home and filmed us. And now they're doing all
these meetups all over America, just trying to
raise money for this documentary, which they're
getting close. And so we were able to attend.
We just piggybacked it from our vacation. And
it was probably one of the most ministry -oriented.
things that we've been to that was actually a
secular event because it wasn't a Christian event
but someone even approached you and said is this
a Christian event and you know would a Muslim
be you know welcomed and you're like well of
course and I had to remind him no it's not a
Christian event it just so happens that people
that are stewarding their health and taking care
of themselves tend to lean towards a faith life.
And so, but we're going to be who we are, wherever
we are, you know, we don't apologize for who
we, he was totally cool with it. Yeah. And it
was awesome, but it, it really, uh, it first
for what you said, because you talked about the
three legged stool as we were, as we were, you
know, presenting our story to the people there,
it, it, it just lent itself. For us to be able
to just talk about our faith and where we're
at. And I loved that. I felt like that was so
important because even people came up to us afterwards
and said, can we sit with you? Can we, you know,
and they wanted to talk to us. They wanted to
know about our church. And it was just. it was
pretty remarkable what happened there. It infused
my faith. I love that we got to meet with Dr.
Kiltz. And I want you to talk about the podcast
we were on with him on Sunday, because he's writing
a book called Christ and Carnivore. And that's
how we feel. We feel like we're bringing Christ
into every area of our life. Why not into our
carnivore journey? Exactly. Because it's not
like, how can you, you can't separate yourself.
You know what I mean? One of the things that's,
really typical of Western people, we're Western
people, is that we tend to categorize or compartmentalize
our lives to where, you know, we wear this hat
in this environment, we'll wear this hat. But
I'm calling us all back to integrity, integration,
where we're not, we don't live like a chameleon,
you know, to be a person who's a person of faith,
a person who takes care of themselves and stewards
all our attitude about. taking care of ourselves
and our health is not about vanity. Probably
wasn't when we were younger. You know, you want
to look good, but as we've gotten older, I mean,
it's more about I'm 63. You're still 62. You
have not crossed over the line. I'm not going
to cross over. What, two weeks? You're about
two weeks. So we'll both be 63. And yet we're
probably in our prime health that we've ever
been in overall. Overall. We're functional. We're
energetic. We're busy. We're busier now than
we've ever been in our entire careers, our lives.
And we get to do it. But we need the energy.
We need the energy. Because we're so busy. And
so that means you need to get on some kind of
health. so that you can go the long haul. I mean,
isn't that what we're trying to do? That is.
And another piece of that I was going to say
is the stewarding of our body because it's a
gift from God. God gave us our physical bodies,
and then he gives us a choice and the ability
to put the right things into the body, the right
fuel into the gas tank. If you put diesel in
a gasoline engine, it's not going to run. It's
going to ruin that engine or it's going to, you
know, it's going to not work, won't function.
And so we're trying to just put the right kind
of fuel in our bodies and be healthy, not just
to survive, but to truly thrive. Jesus said in
John chapter 10, verse 10, I've come that you
might have life and have life to the full. Another
translation says have life and have it more abundantly.
So we're looking for that abundant life. And
like you said, this is exactly, you nailed it.
And that is to finish strong. We want to live
however long we have on this earth, whether it's
getting taken out by an accident or some kind
of health event or whatever, however long that
is. And we know we've got friends our age that
are long gone, you know, at this age. We see
it happening all around us. Well, when you were
talking about the funerals that you did, you've
talked about it quite a bit on different events.
You've had that opportunity. But you didn't say
that most of them were all at once, too, which
was pretty crazy last year. And remember what
I said about it is that probably six out of the
seven should not have died. Well, my sister shouldn't
have. No. And that was my wife. She was 70. She
had just turned 70 and had complications of type
2 diabetes. So that became your why for wanting
to take care of your health. It was my why because
everyone in my family had type 2 diabetes. And
has died of complications of it too young. Right.
And I feel like, you know, and I'm not saying
that you have to be 100 % carnivore, but if we
could get rid of the processed foods, get rid
of the carbs, because carbs are not essential.
Protein's essential, but carbs are not essential.
And I'm not saying you can't ever, but if you
can modify your diet, I mean, how are we going
to go the long haul if we keep eating the American
diet? It's called the sad. It's sad because it's
the standard American diet. Because it is pretty
sad, actually. It is. And I was just looking
up the meetup. Why don't you explain to everybody
what a meetup is? What is a meetup? Well, you're
meeting up with people. like -minded people that
have have embraced carnivore or who have just
started the carnivore journey and you're obviously
we were up there speaking about our journey our
why um what prompted us to do this and um what
our results are from that and for you and me
it was a little bit different than others for
others it was you know a lot of weight loss right
And a lot of diseases that were cured, cured,
I say cured because they were cured. Not just
improved. Not just improved, but so many people
had diseases that were cured that doctors will
tell you are incurable. Like type 2 diabetes.
Yes. Hypertension. IBS. IBS. All those things
totally cleared up just like with us. Yes. It
was interesting. I loved hearing the stories.
What it did is it gave us. the impetus to start
back like really strong and really remind ourself.
And I think that's, it's really no different
than when you're a Christian and you start to
allow the things of the world. to overtake the
things that God wants to do in and through you.
And you've got to kind of get back on the horse
again, you know, and start going the right direction.
It's the same way with our health. Anybody who
decides to get on this, if they have, you know,
a blimp or something where they can't continue,
you can get back on it. start the journey again.
So it's the same thing with our walk. And I think
because we're human, we're used to kind of having
things pull us back. And I think for us, just
going to this meetup and hearing all the stories
just infused an energy again in us to have mind,
body, spirit, have it all. Like you said, the
three -legged stool where we're not cutting one
leg off, we're actually sitting on a three -legged
stool that's stable. And that's what, you know,
we talked about this before, stable makes you
able. And that's in every area of your life.
And we see too many people that are godly. I
mean, they're going full force with God. They're
hungry, but then they've let themselves go physically.
And, you know, the Bible talks about our... bodies
being the temple of the holy spirit and so i
think not enough preachers preach about the whole
body the whole person the whole person and i
think that's i think this infused that energy
in us to we need to get back to that and not
i'm not talking about meddling or pushing people
but saying you know look at the new cabinet look
at rfk jr and the difference in him And the person
he took the place. That is like light years.
It's light years. And so if our government is
seeing that we need to make a change there, why
wouldn't we as Christians want to even be better?
Why wouldn't we want to be better stewards of
our body? And a lot of it I don't think is ignorance.
Honestly, I think it's willpower. I think that's
the problem, which is really the same with our
walk with the Lord. It's the same. You have to
have discipline. You have to have a hunger to
get into the word, to hear his voice, the right
things inside of you. We become what we behold
and we leak out what we're full of. And so whether
you're talking about your spirit, your mind,
or your body, all of those, if you think about
it, all of those are diet -oriented. Not like
food, but the fuel, the inputs. So you've got
inputs because you want a certain output. You
want a certain outcome. And I so agree with you.
One of the things you really hit on, I just want
to explore it for a minute, because this speaks
to all three of these. these areas mind body
and spirit and it's the power of community yeah
it's the power of connection we the way i said
it at the at the conference uh on last saturday
in austin at the meetup i said connection is
protection which you say that in the pulpit i
do everything you said the same At our event,
you say in church. Absolutely. Because it's in
Texas. Because they're universal principles,
but they're based out of Scripture. It's in every
area of our life. They're based out of the Word
of God. Every area of our life. So I turn them
into little cliches because I'm a simple man
and it's easier for me to remember. Which is
funny because Dr. Kiltz said, I can't wait to
read your book that you write on all your Jimmy
-isms because they're phenomenal. They're really
good. So tell, explain to people what a meetup
is. Well, I mean, again, it's, it's, you're,
you're coming together with like -minded people
and you're hearing stories and it, it hopefully
will help you, will guide you into this life
and help you be able to overcome. bad eating
habits. And so on this meetup, you're meeting
with a lot of different people. They were from
everywhere. They weren't just from Austin. So
let's talk about how much money we all made doing
this meetup. Zero. You know what it felt like
to me? Actually, you and I used to be in Avacare
and we'd go to some Avacare meetings, which is
an MLM. And it felt like that, but there was
zero dollars attached. There is no, this is what
I love about being a part of the carnivore community
is that It's not about monetizing anything. It's
literally about how can we help as many people
as possible really get on the track and the journey
of health so they can experience. For me, it
has a spiritual component. So they can experience
the abundant life that Jesus talks about, the
full life. And they can actually run through
the tape, finish their life strong, stave off
dementia, Alzheimer's, all these different things.
That's the big one for me. That's a big one for
me at our age because we've watched. Which is
why they utilized us in this documentary. Because
we're old. Because we're old. But not because
we had a lot of weight to lose, but because we're...
doing it for a whole different reason exactly
which is we're yeah longevity yeah the thing
about life what i love too is we everybody that
was there or most people that we met had a youtube
channel so they're constantly barraging people
with medical information that they're receiving
from the carnivore doctors because there's many
doctors involved in this they're they're um They're
interviewing other people that have these stories,
but they're not trying to make money off of it.
It's information, which is what I love because
literally I felt like we were at an MLM, but
I kept waiting to see if someone was going to
say, now send this. There's nothing. It's not.
This is not about money. We were on a panel as
well. So we got up and gave a speech, our talk
on the stage, as did many. Let me just read some
of the names of the people who gave their speeches.
I pulled this up just to let people know who
we were with. We were with Dr. Robert Kiltz,
who's a rock star in the carnivore space. He's
a doctor. And then we were with Lauren Knight
Hughes. She has a great transformation story
of herself, of healing her body. Nia Nova, another
one. had major healing turnarounds uh oh pastor
jimmy and annette they even called us pastor
jimmy which was funny in that a non -christian
environment again it's so good for us getting
outside of the church box and being out in the
culture salt and light but they but every one
of them talked to us honored us as pastor jimmy
and annette and then uh the texas boys that's
a cool homesteaded couple out of uh not a couple
well they're they're brothers it's a whole family
No, the Texas boys are the family. Well, I thought
they're, okay. It's the family. It's the kids
that are the boys. Think about it. And so they
were there as well. And then Carrie Mann of Homestead
Howe, that's his YouTube channel. He's really,
really one of the non -doctor drivers in the
carnivore space. Because it healed him of depression.
So much. He had major depression, anxiety. Sleep
apnea. He had a lot. You name it. He had so many
pills that he used to be on. He had clinical
depression to the point of suicide. He was there.
But they told him it was clinical. Well, no,
chemical. They said you have a chemical imbalance.
Chemical imbalance, which is what they tell everybody.
And here's some pills. And he just began to say,
I don't. I don't think that, because they were
basically dooming him into a life. What I love
about this, too, is several of us, including
ourselves, when I told our story, heard Dr. Jordan
Peterson on Joe Rogan. And that's what prompted
a lot of us, Carrie Mann, myself, and others
mentioned it, to try the carnivore way of eating.
It's not a diet. It's a way of eating. And I
was really impressed with that. I mean, Dr. Jordan
Peterson made a huge impact just by going on
Joe Rogan. And then now his wife is in this movie.
She's part of the documentary. It started, though,
with his daughter, Michaela. He was telling her
story to Joe Rogan about carnivore because Rogan's
been in and out of carnivore. He's a health nut.
he has done intermittent seasons of being strict
carnivore and then he'll come out of it and go
back into it, which again, you can, if you get
off the bandwagon, there's no judgment. You just
get back on. You don't beat yourself up. You
just pick up where you left off. Exactly. Because
sometimes we think he moves away, but we move
away because of the distractions. Yeah. So Jordan
Peterson was on the show. He talks about Michaela
having just a litany. She had a laundry list
of physical ailments that she had struggled with
for her whole life as a young person. And she
somehow, I don't remember how she did it, she
stumbled on a carnivore. Well, it's because someone
told her to do some elimination. Oh, that's how
it was. And so she kind of went keto -ish. But
then once she was still having issues. So in
an elimination diet, you sort of strip down to
just the bare bones. And it's good to start with
carnivore simply because you're just back to
meat and water, you know, electrolytes to help
you stay balanced. But she did that, and she
felt great. All of a sudden, things started clearing
up. Then as she did that, so an elimination diet,
you eliminate those things, but then you can
start adding back things, and then your body
will tell you whether you can do it or not. Turns
out for her, she's got to stay pretty strict
carnivore. But her father, Jordan Peterson, and
his wife both watched her heal herself. And then
they realized, you know what, we have some issues
too. I wonder if it will clear our issues up.
And it did. And they stuck with it. If you see
older pictures of Jordan Peterson, he was huge.
He was way overweight. And now look how thin
he is. Oh, he's trim and thin. And gosh, I don't
know how old Jordan is. Late 60s? Probably. Yeah,
close to 70. And he looks phenomenal. But it's
not just about the losing weight, though. It
really is about quality of life. And that's why
we're not. We don't have a full -on carnivore
channel. We just don't do that. But it's a part
of who we are. We were going to, but we realized
we have so many things to do. We have a lot of
irons in the fire. Integrated into our podcast
here. So for you listening, we want to encourage
you. Think in terms about mind, body, and spirit
being like a three -legged stool. And ask yourself,
are all three of my legs on my stool the same
length? And if they're not, why not? What is
it in one area that's shorter than the other?
Because if you cut two to three inches off of
a stool and try to sit on it, it's dysfunctional.
It's ruined. Well, I think about our son -in
-law who has been a lifelong smoker. He's 37
years old. So I think he started smoking when
he was very young. And he and my daughter decided
that they wanted to have a baby. And she begged
him to stop smoking. And he tried, he tried everything.
Struggled. Nothing worked. And then she said,
okay, they were able to conceive a child. And
she said, can you do it by the time Colin is
born? So that I don't want you to have health
problems. And for Colin to have to breathe. Breathe,
yes. And so he said, okay, that's my goal. So
he had a why. And so he did the patches. He did
everything. But he still was struggling. And
the moment that baby was born, and he caught
the baby just like you did when we had Faith,
which I thought was really wonderful. Once he
did, he's never smoked again. And that was December
20th. So coming up on three months, we got to
see them last week. And he said, I don't even
miss it. He said, I tried everything. And he
said, but when I saw that baby. It changed everything.
That was his why. Now, the great thing about
this is he got a community around him of believers
that prayed and prayed that God would give him,
yes, the willpower, the determination to look
at that child and go, no, that's what we have
to do with food. That's what we have to do. when
the enemy comes at us to take us off our path
with our, with the word of God, with our walk
with Jesus, we've got to have a community. It's
like you said, we have to have a community of
people that are around us holding our arms up
like Aaron and her, you know, Moses holding our
arms up saying we can do this, whether it's carnivore,
whether it's our walk with the Lord, staying
steadfast, even when the enemy's coming at us
at every, direction. It's the same thing. You
need a community around you. This is why I don't
understand why people can just go to not go to
church, but just watch it online and not be in
a community of believers where you're growing
with other people. How in the world can you be
a Christian and not have people around you? And
so it's the same thing. That's why this is, you
know, Every area of our life, we've got to have
community. You know, you're so right. So on point,
Damonette. Now that, you know, I've reserved
that only for Adam Curry. He's the only one that
can call me that. Honey, how's that? That's reserved
for me. I love what you said because you've got
to have that clarified why. And for Mark, good
example, as soon as he saw that baby, he realized,
it pushed him over the top where he goes, my
why is tangible. And that's really interesting.
That was one of the points I used. I've preached
this in the church, but also at the conference,
the meetup, is you have to clarify your why.
You've got to clarify. It's got to be clear.
In other words, if it's not clear, if it's ambiguous
and vague, oh, I want to lose some weight. That
won't work. Then that's just a diet. Or as a
Christian, I just want to be a better person.
I got to get our kids in church because it's
good for them. That's not a clarified why. So
you've got to clarify your why in all three of
your areas, in your health, in your physical
body, in your mindset, your mentality. Clarify
your why. Why do I want to be a clear thinker
instead of live with brain fog all the time and
the fog of war on my mind and always forgetful
and not being on point and tired all the time,
mental fatigue. Which is interesting because
when we went on keto several years ago, many
people in the church went on it and said, I didn't
even know I had mental fog until I got on keto
and things began to clear. I had clarity for
the first time. But what happens is we allow
the things of life to creep in and take us away
from that. And we're constantly going back and
forth. So we move from simplicity to complexity.
And when things get complicated, we're like a
deer in the headlights. You know, a deer, and
we know this because we live in deer country
here in the Texas Hill country. When a deer's
in the road, they don't know which way to go
because all they see are these lights coming
at them. Their life gets suddenly very complicated
and they just stop. And they stand in the road
and they get hit. And it happens all the time
on our road. But it's because they move from
simplicity to complexity. When we do the same,
which means we have to have that clear, simplified
why in every area of our lives. Because if we
don't, we won't be able to stick to. Mark has
been able to overcome a lifelong addiction and
habit. because his why was clarified. His why
was right in front of him screaming and getting
a high rating on the Epgar, you know, when they
were doing all that initial thing. And it was
like, it clicked for him. So thank God, but that
needs to happen in every arena of our life, mind,
body, spirit. You also mentioned community and
the power of that. That goes for your spiritual
life. It goes for your health life, but it also
goes for your mentality. What kind of people
do you have in your sphere of influence? If you've
got a bunch of negative names, I mean, who just
constantly are negative all the way down. My
goodness. It will take you down. Your community
will either lift you up or it will take you down.
And you've got to make sure you circle the wagon,
so to speak. You put the right people around
you. And are those people actually adding any
value to you? We call it as iron sharpens iron,
so a friend sharpens another. That's a biblical.
biblical maxim or biblical truth. And are the
people that you have around you, are they sharpening
you? Are they lifting you up? I love how you're
using your hands. I have to. I'm a preacher.
And no one can see you. I talk with my whole
body. That's why we need to do video. But I know
you don't like that idea. I'm still pushing for
it. Well, we might have to do that. But all that
to say is really got to clarify your why. Connections,
protection. Get your community around you. Find
people who will support you. Not just say yes.
You need people who will push back too. Who will
say, ooh, I don't think that's a good idea. Have
you really studied that? Have you checked into
that? I've got people like that in my life. Adam
and I are that way. We have no problem pushing
back on each other, but we do it with kindness
because we're constructively trying to, if we
criticize one another, it's constructive because
I want to see him prosper. I want to see him
continue to grow. And he does the same for me.
That's iron sharpens iron. And so that's another
piece. Here's another thing that's really important.
And what do you think of this principle? I shared
this as well. You have to give grace to yourself.
Why wouldn't we give the same grace to ourselves
that we do to everybody else? Yes. You know,
we tend to be merciful to others. We tend, people
were trying to help. We give a lot of grace for,
and yet we hold ourselves to these sometimes
ridiculous standards that we don't hold others
to. I'm not saying you got to lower your standards.
I'm saying, but you got to have grace for when
you, when you make a mistake, whether it's spiritually,
physically, or emotionally. Right. Because if
you don't learn to do that, things will take
you out on the journey. Absolutely. Absolutely.
Who are you texting? I'm not. I'm just kidding.
No, I was kidding because we had a lot of givers
in the last few weeks and I wanted to write to
be able to. Oh, nice. For our podcast. Yeah,
and some letters. I want to be able to do some
shout outs. That's what I wanted to talk about.
Oh, thank you. I'm sorry. But you're absolutely
right. We have to have grace, which we did. During
the holidays, this is one of the things that
came up. How hard is carnivore? And we're like,
well, during the holidays, it's really hard because
we're invited to a lot of social. Pastors are
very social. Yes. And so you have to kind of
pick and choose what you're going to eat. But
you also don't want to offend people. And so
that that was we gave ourselves some grace during
that time. And but you're right. We also. But
the thing is, too, one of the things I've learned
in my Christian walk is giving new Christians
more grace. Because we, for example, Donald Trump,
let's talk about Donald Trump being a new Christian.
You found out recently from someone that's on
his team, that office of faith, the White House
office of faith. And you asked someone that you
met who's... Praise with them weekly. Is Donald
Trump born again? Is he a believer? Absolutely.
Which I believe he's a new Christian. I do too.
I think that probably the shooting had more to
do with it than anything. Absolutely. It would
for me. But we can't expect him to act like a
mature Christian. Yeah. And likewise, we can't
do that with new believers that come into our
sphere of influence. And a lot of times we as
Christians judge people. That's why we say, oh.
There's just a bunch of hypocrites in church.
Well, there's a lot of babies in church that
are growing. Hey, I'm a hypocrite. Hopefully
they're progressing. Are you a hypocrite? Absolutely.
Because we're human. The church is full of hypocrites.
Of course, that's why we're all coming together
to get healed. We're trying to help each other.
And I think if there's anything I've learned
in the last couple of years is to have grace
for those new Christians. And we cannot expect,
and that's what I love about Adam Curry going
on Joe Rogan the first time. He said, I'm new
at this. You know, I just became a Jesus freak
basically. And so I don't have all the answers.
And that's true. And we as more mature believers
who've walked with Jesus for a very long time
have to give grace to those that are new. But
also to ourselves. Yes. We tend to give grace
more to others than we do ourselves. And that
is the thing, you know. The Bible says that,
you know, it talks about, you know, love the
Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul,
and strength. The second commandment is like
the first. Love your neighbor as yourself. Love
your neighbor as yourself. So it's God, others,
and yourself in that order. But here's the thing.
Most people do not love themselves. And when
you start talking about self -love, it can eke
over into some other arenas that are unhealthy.
But I'm talking about a very healthy, proper
estimation that... I can love myself because
I know this. I'm a son of God. I'm a child of
God. I'm created in His image. In His image,
the Imago Dei. So I can love myself, but it's
not that weird self -love that turns into narcissism
or vanity. It's truly just being thankful. That
God created me. So that means I need to give
myself some grace when I make mistakes in all
three of those arenas. You know, when I have
the extra piece of Lily's chocolate instead of
having one, I know I love Lily's chocolate. That's
the one thing. It's hard to give up. It's my,
uh, what's the word? Moderation. Not kryptonite,
but moderation. Moderation is the key. But, but
it's easy to have two blocks of it instead of
just one. Now some carnivores. That hear this
will say, no, you can't. Yeah, you can't do that.
Or you can't have coffee with creamer in it.
But you know what, then it makes it more of a
diet. I don't live in that world of expectation.
I know what works for me. And today I hit my
goal weight, 195. I feel. freaking amazing and
i did have an extra piece of chocolate yesterday
of the lily's no no it was the new chocolate
thing whatever you got that whatever that is
organic that i got thank you and no thank you
but i didn't i didn't partake because i didn't
i don't feel like right now i need to be partaking
so let's get back to our meetup so we did the
meetup that was fantastic and we got to meet
the one person i didn't mention is adam lacy
who's become a dear friend uh just a great brother
in the lord but also he's doing a lot of the
cinematography and photography for the movie,
doing a lot of the filming. He has really jumped
in on this. When he showed his before and after
picture, it was shocking. He's a rock star in
the carnivore arena. And he's pretty much given
up his whole life for this project. He has. Because
he believes in it. Because it saved his life.
It also healed a traumatic brain injury from
an accident. But we also met a new doctor, Dr.
Nelson. who's coming on board with Dr. Kills.
And he had his own story. And I love that. I
love it when doctors are seeing the light and
they're seeing how they were taught. They were
not taught the proper way of eating. And so a
lot of them are leaving their practices. And
going down a whole different road. Because they
weren't taught to heal and or cure diseases.
They were taught how to treat symptoms and dispense
pills. And every doctor I know will say that,
honestly. Yes, absolutely. Well, because they're
not really taught nutrition. Yeah. So, yeah.
At the cellular level, the molecular level. And
so to see these doctors coming on board, and
there's a bunch of them coming over and seeing
the value of this. Even your own doctor said,
whatever you're doing, keep doing it. Keep doing
it, and I think I want to check into this. I
want to check into it myself. And again, we have
nothing to gain from this in terms of monetary.
We don't get paid for any of this. We just want
to help people get better in mind, body, and
spirit. All three arenas. going to another meetup.
We found out there was another meetup in Nashville,
in the Nashville area next month. And we were
like, well, Hey, another opportunity to go see
our grandson. I called my daughter. She was so
excited that we're coming and we're going back
in May for another event. Um, but, uh, Caleb,
Caleb fan award. And so we get to see him again.
But what I love about this, um, meetup in Nashville
is we're going to get to meet Dr. Ken Berry.
He, was instrumental in giving us some great
medical information. So let me just say, can
I pause right here and just caveat that? So for
those of you that are listening to us and going,
well, okay, I want to check this carnivore thing
out. Sounds weird just eating meat, but I want
to check it out. Well, meat, eggs, bacon, better.
But you want to get the science behind this,
then go on YouTube and just put in the search
feature Dr. Kenberry, and you'll have every kind
of video you want to know. You want to learn
about cholesterol. You want to learn about PCOS.
You want to learn about all the different issues.
Any disease you have, you can put Dr. Kenberry
and that disease, and you'll see a clip come
through that'll address. 20 -year family practice
doctor, and he is full -on keto and carnivore.
It's just called Ketovore, which is kind of a
combination. And he got out of the medical industry,
the standard American medical industry, because
he wants to help and heal people, not just treat
symptoms and be a... a pill pusher. Exactly.
And so he, he is amazing. Check him out. And,
uh, also Dr. Robert kilts. I call him my favorite
12 year old. He's high on life. This guy is about
to be 69 this week. And that was a fun podcast
when we got to go on his, it's his YouTube channel.
And, um, it's not out yet. I think it's going
to be out. We'll put the link on our newsletter
when it releases. What was, Cool about it is
we went into a studio. He rented a studio in
Austin for us to meet with him. We went into
that studio, hit record, and it was supposed
to be an hour long and it ended up being almost
an hour and a half. And we didn't realize it
because we had so much to talk about. But I love
that he brought. Christ into every bit of it.
It was all about our journey, our spiritual journey,
how you became a pastor. He always says the number
one thing is I would listen to him today just
for a moment this morning. The number one thing
is have faith in God. I mean, that's his whole
thing. And so I love that he's got that heart
and, and that he really respected and honored
us as pastors and let us tell our story. Wonderful.
He does. He's one of our favorite people because
he's full of life. He's living up in a down world.
He is. He's the epitome of the title of the show.
For sure. And everybody needs to get around someone
like him. Oh, my gosh. I want him in my circle.
We're going to get to see him again in Nashville.
This will be our third time to meet with him.
And that's what I love about this adventure.
doctor, like I said, doctors coming into this
and opening up their eyes and seeing, um, this
is, it's not about doing all these surgeries.
It's not about doing, you know, giving all these
pills out. It's about fueling your body properly.
Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. Yeah. Well, that was
amazing. And then we wrapped up, we got to go
sit, we went to a concert. Thank you, Matt Munt,
for blessing us with tickets. We got to go see
Toby Mac's new tour. They just came out on tour.
So we saw Toby Mac. This is all in Austin. Toby
Mac, Ryan Stevens. Stevenson. Stevenson. Kane.
Terrian. Yeah. Terrian, Kane. Terrian, Kane.
And Crowder. caleb and john too and caleb and
john were with in a four -hour period where we
stood almost it was non -stop there were no breaks
they had one intermission one intermission oh
my gosh we needed it i mean we were on our feet
the whole time one of the best most enjoyable
concert experiences we've had and we've been
to a bunch of them honestly for me crowder crowder
took it I mean, I, and I, for me, I love Toby
Mac because I love the dancing. They were amazing.
They were all amazing. All of them were fantastic.
What a great experience. But we got blessed with
great seats. We were right there by the, there's
two stages and we were literally right up against
one of the stages. Except it was a little vertical.
challenge for me because there was people in
front of me when they were on the first stage
yeah when we're standing that puts you at a big
disadvantage for sure for sure yeah but it was
It was still an amazing experience. Can't wait
to go to K -Love and see some of the same artists.
But because we're healthy, we have energy, we
did a full day meetup conference. From 10 .30
to 5 .30. Speaking on the panel, meeting with
people constantly, photo ops, all that stuff.
And then we went straight from there. To get
patties at In -N -Out Burger. Yes. To get just
meat patties. We woofed them down and went straight
to the concert. Woofed them and went straight
to the concert. Oh, my gosh. Didn't even change
clothes. I know. I was in sweats. Yeah. And you
know what? I was sitting there thinking while
the concert was going on, man, mega loud, mega
everything. And I'm going. We feel good. We should
be in a coma by now. We should be home in bed.
And yet we feel so good because of our health
that we're just enjoying, I won't say dancing,
you were probably moving more than me. I was
dancing a lot. And I thought, oh, I hope this
doesn't hurt my knee. Nothing. So much fun. But
anyway, that was a huge blessing. Big shout out
to Matt Munt for blessing us with those tickets.
Adam and Tina were supposed to go with us. They
had another commitment. So we just took the tickets.
And then we blessed a couple with the extra tickets.
They were in front of us in line. And we were
like, where are y 'all seats? And they were trying
to explain. And we said, do you want better seats?
Here's two more tickets. And he was like, you
could go scalp those tickets. I said, no, they
were given to us. I'd rather give them. They
loved it. They were so appreciative, too. They
were a sweet couple. And we got to meet another
couple. I know. It was cool. That are like -minded,
which is... Christ is our center. That's it.
It was amazing. What a great week and a great
weekend. We also got to see Pastor Brian and
Terry Bush. Yes, in Nashville. They pastor in
Antioch. He also works with Dave Ramsey. He was
my boss back then. Now he's a board of directors.
He's one of our board of directors at our church.
So he's not my boss. He's my partner. So we got
to meet with them and share with them what's
going on in our church, which is amazing. But
you know who I missed the most besides Mr. Chevy?
Who? I missed Adam and Tina. Oh, I know. There's
something about our friendship has moved to this
place that when one of us is out of town, it's
weird for us. Even though we might not have gotten
together in that space, it's just weird knowing
there's somebody somewhere else. We laugh about
it. Well, you get to have a bro date tomorrow
night. I am fired up. I know. We are doing a
bro date. And I'm thinking Freed Helms is on
the menu. And Freed Helms is... Adam's go -to
place but I love it too they actually have a
great ribeye there so I'm thinking go rock a
ribeye at Friedhelm's so yeah bro date yeah we're
doing that tomorrow night and uh looking forward
to that well you have a lunch thing well I do
but Nashville when we go to Nashville in April
yeah Tina's going with us yep when we're going
to Nashville in May Tina and Adam. Adam and Tina
are going with us. We would go to Florida. Florida.
Tina and Adam. This summer, they'll be with us.
And then the Bahamas, Tina and Adam. I know.
We're going to go suffer for Jesus in the Bahamas.
We have got to make sure that we keep our relationship
intact. We were invited on a trip by Peggy Layden
and her husband. I haven't met her husband yet,
so I'm really excited about meeting him. So they
invited us to a condo in the Bahamas, and so
we just got to get there. And so that's going
to be a fun trip. But that's a lot of trips with
the Currys. I hope we can stay friends. It's
like we like them or something. I love those
guys. In fact, I was listening to their podcast
on the way in this morning. Catching up. Before
their next one, which is tonight. I know. We
love them. Well, listen, thanks for listening
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We're here to live up in a down world. We mean
that. In fact, Dr. Kiltz asked about that. name
because he's an up guy. He's like down. But he
didn't, he said, but this isn't a down world.
He didn't really get that. But it's a biblical
reference that we live in a fallen world after
the, after, um, the garden incident with Adam
and Eve, the world is referred to as a fallen
world. It's a down world. So I think the world's
beautiful. I love the mountains. I love the beach
and everything in between. There's a lot of people
that are down that don't know Christ. Right.
And so you can live up when you have a relationship.
with christ and that's another avenue of our
name i hate to go but you've got a meeting to
get to girl oh it's time i know i've got to go
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