1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,000 and we'll be right back. 2 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Thank you. 3 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:03,000 Don't get down when you're seeing the worst, 4 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:04,000 cause the last will be the first. 5 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:05,000 What a day I'm telling you, all things will be new, 6 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,000 living up in a down world. 7 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Yeah we're living, yeah we're living, 8 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:08,000 living up in a down world. 9 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,000 Oh. 10 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:10,000 This is Pastor Jimmy Pruitt. 11 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:11,000 I want to welcome you to Living Up in a Down World. 12 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:26,460 You can see the 13 00:00:26,460 --> 00:00:34,800 notice I didn't introduce Annette because this is a special edition of Living Up in 14 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:42,080 a Down World and I am encouraged, excited and blessed to introduce to you Jenny McCombs. 15 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,520 Jenny welcome to today's podcast. 16 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,040 Thank you for having me on. 17 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,520 So Jenny I've been totally stoked about doing this. 18 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:56,240 I mean really excited because this day, January 6th is a very important day on the calendar. 19 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,000 It was an important day constitutionally. 20 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,000 Yes. 21 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:04,520 In terms of our nation, but it's also a difficult day for many. 22 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:10,280 And so I want you to introduce, why I would have you on the podcast. 23 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,960 We'll riff on that a little bit, but I want you to share a little bit of your background 24 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:20,560 so that people understand why you're here today and why January 6th is such an important 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:21,560 date. 26 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:22,560 Absolutely. 27 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:29,240 So I am a January 6th defendant and I'm sure we'll cover part of my story of being prosecuted 28 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,000 and persecuted by the federal government. 29 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,920 But it all kind of started back when I was young. 30 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,040 I was born and raised in Lubbock, Texas. 31 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:42,440 I was homeschooled my whole life, which I believe is why I turned out so well. 32 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,800 And I've been involved in politics since I was three years old because my mother would 33 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:52,160 always take me on election day and she would point at which bubble to color in. 34 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,760 And so I like to say I've been voting since I was three. 35 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:01,660 And then more importantly, I have been protesting since I was five years old. 36 00:02:01,660 --> 00:02:05,440 My mom took me to my first protest, which was outside of the Planned Parenthood Clinic 37 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,000 in Lubbock, Texas when I was five years old. 38 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,480 And that Planned Parenthood Clinic is no longer there. 39 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:16,200 Now I'm not foolish enough to think that's because I was five years old holding a sign. 40 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:17,200 You never know. 41 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:18,200 Right. 42 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,400 So I've always been involved in politics. 43 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,960 And I think it's very important for people, especially Christians, to be involved in politics. 44 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,160 I hate when I hear somebody say, oh, well, I just don't do politics. 45 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,040 Well, politics does you just fine. 46 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,040 That's right. 47 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,320 In every aspect of your life. 48 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:40,440 And so I'm a firm believer that if the church as a whole across this country would step 49 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,040 up and be involved in politics, then we wouldn't have the vast majority of the problems that 50 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,560 we have in our society today. 51 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:46,560 I so agree. 52 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:51,960 We've absolutely changed the direction and trajectory of our nation back to a place. 53 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:56,360 It's not just about going back, but there are things about our history that if we forget 54 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,360 them, we are doomed to repeat them. 55 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:59,920 And that is exactly what we've done. 56 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:01,520 We've been in this cycle. 57 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:07,520 I would call it a spin cycle downward towards what some would say is more progressive, more 58 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,120 libertarian, more free thinking. 59 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:17,360 And in fact, we've cast off restraint and the scripture tells us that when the people 60 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,400 went with no vision, without a vision, the people perish. 61 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:26,040 Or another way it says is without a revelation, the people cast off restraint. 62 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:31,960 And so because we're not looking back, we're not going back to say, what did the founders, 63 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,300 what was this based on? 64 00:03:33,300 --> 00:03:36,880 What was the whole point of this, what they call the grand experiment? 65 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,080 And when we don't know our history and we don't understand how this started, then we 66 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,640 are literally doomed to repeat the mistakes that caused the need for it or arose the need 67 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,720 for it in the first place. 68 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:54,760 And so at three years old protesting and mama teaching you what it means to speak up, how's 69 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,480 that impacted your whole life? 70 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,800 How does that informed you into your life? 71 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,120 Oh, it's been fantastic. 72 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,760 I've always loved politics. 73 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,040 I've always loved politics. 74 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,520 It's the greatest show on earth. 75 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:07,520 And it is a show. 76 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:08,520 It is. 77 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,640 And what is it that Shakespeare says? 78 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:15,120 All the world's a stage and all the men and women are merely actors. 79 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,320 And that's absolutely what politics is. 80 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:20,320 I don't know. 81 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:21,400 There's so many things about it. 82 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,360 I've always enjoyed being involved in politics. 83 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:25,480 I did run for office. 84 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,800 I think everybody should have to do that once because it's certainly not for the faint of 85 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:30,800 heart. 86 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:38,680 In 2019, I ran for mayor of Midland and I was running against the incumbent and then 87 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:43,400 also the lead preacher of the mega church. 88 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,040 And he's the one that won. 89 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,320 And I'm very grateful for that. 90 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,520 Now, I did win both televised debates. 91 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:49,520 Nice. 92 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:50,520 I could see that. 93 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,760 I will never debate you. 94 00:04:53,760 --> 00:05:01,280 But Patrick's the one that won and he's a dear friend of mine and he did a fantastic 95 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:02,280 job. 96 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:03,280 Bless his heart. 97 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:07,520 He won in 2019 and then all the 2020 crazy stuff. 98 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,080 And there were a lot of things going on in Midland and I was protesting all over the 99 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,440 place in 2020. 100 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:21,860 And then in 2021, when January 6 happened in 2021 and I was ultimately arrested and 101 00:05:21,860 --> 00:05:23,260 all of those things. 102 00:05:23,260 --> 00:05:24,920 So let's pause there. 103 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,200 I want to camp out there for a minute. 104 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:28,520 So let's go to that. 105 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,820 Let's go back to January 6. 106 00:05:30,820 --> 00:05:34,480 We were talking before we hit record and then while you were talking, I said, we need to 107 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:35,480 hit record. 108 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:40,440 I mean, this is what I want you to share because first of all, why is January 6 an important 109 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:45,720 day on the calendar in general, especially after an election, during an election cycle? 110 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:51,920 And why were you there in Washington, DC at the Capitol on January 6, 2021? 111 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:57,800 So January 6 is the day that the electoral college is certified by Congress. 112 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:05,040 So all of the electors cast their votes based off of the rules for each different state 113 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,280 in December. 114 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:13,680 So all of that has already happened and then Congress certifies it on January 6 every four 115 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,440 years. 116 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:22,220 And so I like to say that protesting is one of my spiritual gifts, which probably makes 117 00:06:22,220 --> 00:06:24,960 me pretty difficult for some people. 118 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:36,080 But I went to DC in July of 2020 for President Trump's salute to our troops because Midland 119 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:41,360 Texas Chamber of Commerce, which was where I was living at the time, decided that a respiratory 120 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:47,960 virus was too dangerous to celebrate Independence Day from a tyrannical government. 121 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,380 And so they shut down all of the Fourth of July celebrations. 122 00:06:51,380 --> 00:06:53,460 So I went to DC. 123 00:06:53,460 --> 00:06:59,880 And then I also went back on November 13 of 2020, which was a little bit after what I 124 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:05,800 believe was a stolen election and was there for the million magma march and wasn't planning 125 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,120 on going on January 6. 126 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:14,000 President Trump tweeted out about mid-December of 2020 and he said, be there on January 6. 127 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,280 It'll be wild. 128 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,760 And I'd just gotten back, you know, it's expensive to travel and all of that. 129 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,760 And you had your own business at the time. 130 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:27,240 Yes, I owned a flower shop in Midland for about eight and a half years. 131 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:32,480 And you know, it's expensive to travel and DC is not safe at all. 132 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:33,840 And it's winter, dead of winter. 133 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:34,840 And it's winter. 134 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:35,840 Yes. 135 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:36,840 And I hate being cold. 136 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:42,580 And but then I realized that when President Trump put out that tweet that was the one 137 00:07:42,580 --> 00:07:47,600 and only time still to this day that he has ever said to be somewhere. 138 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,700 He's never said come to my rallies or go to this thing, anything like that. 139 00:07:51,700 --> 00:07:54,800 And I thought, well, I think I should probably go. 140 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,520 And so I got there on January 5. 141 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:05,240 And on January 6 that morning, that day, the high on January 6 of 2021 was 22 degrees. 142 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:06,240 Not good for West Texans. 143 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,440 It was miserable, miserable. 144 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:15,960 And I got out in that area, that ellipse area over by the White House about six o'clock 145 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:17,440 in the morning. 146 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,200 And there were millions of people, millions of people. 147 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,440 There was anywhere between one to three million people. 148 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:29,000 I think whoever's in charge of official numbers finally decided that there was 1.7 million 149 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,440 people there that day. 150 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:38,840 And listen to President Trump's speech and he said peacefully and patriotically, go down 151 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,560 to the Capitol and make your voices heard. 152 00:08:41,560 --> 00:08:45,120 And a lot of people like to skip over that part. 153 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:50,400 And so I ran back to the hotel real quick and put on a couple more layers of clothes 154 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:57,840 and got some snacks because DC had shut down all food vendors, all of everything. 155 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:05,560 And then walked down to the Capitol and I wound up going through the West Terror Store, 156 00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:09,920 which was opened by police officers and they were motioning people inside, which some would 157 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,160 consider to be called entrapment. 158 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:17,080 So let's clarify just for a moment because some things had happened before that where 159 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,840 there were some scuffles at the barriers. 160 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,140 There was confusion. 161 00:09:22,140 --> 00:09:26,800 There was a lot of, there were some smoke bombs thrown into the middle of the crowd. 162 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:27,800 I mean, flash bombs. 163 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:34,440 I mean, there were some stuff that happened that began to provoke the crowd and provoke 164 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,160 people to almost like we're under attack. 165 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:38,320 I mean, what's going on? 166 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:39,320 Yes. 167 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:44,840 So by the time I got to the Capitol, all of the barricades, fencing, bike racks, anything 168 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,240 like that was completely gone. 169 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,280 And I don't mean like crumpled up to the side. 170 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:50,280 Right. 171 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:51,280 I mean, it was removed. 172 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:57,440 Because you would think if all this was happening and it was this out of control, chaotic mob 173 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:02,880 that you'd see carnage, you'd see stuff strewn across the lawn or you'd see things off to 174 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:08,240 the side, the barricades, all the stuff that was holding people back, the stanchions they 175 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,320 call them and all those things. 176 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:11,320 But there was none of that. 177 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,400 By the time you got there, they were like going, opening the doors. 178 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:15,400 Absolutely. 179 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,400 The doors were open. 180 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:17,400 Absolutely. 181 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:18,400 And by the time I got there- 182 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:19,400 So you didn't go through a window? 183 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:20,400 No, I didn't go through a window. 184 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,840 I never break the law on purpose. 185 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,880 Sometimes I find out after the fact that I broke the law. 186 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:32,120 So there were already people all over the scaffolding, which was set up for the inauguration 187 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,200 on the 20th. 188 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:42,560 And January 6th was the most beautiful, patriotic thing that I have ever been a part of. 189 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:48,680 I can't tell you how many times we sang the national anthem, did the Pledge of Allegiance 190 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:51,360 and God bless America, prayed. 191 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,440 And was that kind of breaking out spontaneously throughout the crowd? 192 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:55,440 Oh, yes. 193 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:01,280 I've seen video of that where pockets of people would start praying or start singing Amazing 194 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,600 Grace or various things or patriotic songs. 195 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,280 And it was all day long like that. 196 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:07,560 It was wonderful. 197 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:15,640 I personally never experienced any violence or damage to property from protesters. 198 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:22,080 I only saw violence from police officers towards protesters. 199 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:28,640 And so, I mean, it was just I can't even explain like the camaraderie, the feeling of being 200 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:34,160 with over a million people that are like minded, that love their country and that are willing 201 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,080 to show up and redress their government for their grievances, which we have a constitutional 202 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,480 right to. 203 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,840 And say, wait a minute, something's not right. 204 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,040 And there were people from all walks of life. 205 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:52,240 I mean, I remember seeing elderly people in wheelchairs and walkers that were being carried 206 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:59,000 up the scaffolding to the terrace so that they could go inside the Capitol. 207 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,940 That door that I went through, by the time I got inside, there were already thousands 208 00:12:03,940 --> 00:12:05,680 of people inside. 209 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:10,240 And that door went right up to the Capitol rotunda. 210 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:16,180 And I saw families with small children that were pointing at the paintings and the statues 211 00:12:16,180 --> 00:12:19,800 and the Statuary Hall and explaining the history of our country. 212 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,520 Well, and that's just like what you would see on a normal tourist day. 213 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:24,520 Absolutely. 214 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:29,200 If you're going to take a tour of the Capitol, you were seeing the kinds of things you would 215 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,440 expect to see if the Capitol is open. 216 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:38,160 So you didn't think you're stepping into a war zone or a terrorist act. 217 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,080 It wasn't at the time. 218 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:47,000 The crowd was peaceful until somebody shot off a flare. 219 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,120 And this was before I was down there. 220 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,120 Somebody shot off a flare. 221 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:55,400 Yeah, I was going to ask you to backtrack a little bit about where things got incited 222 00:12:55,400 --> 00:13:01,160 and what you understand to have provoked, you know, what was what the earlier things 223 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,480 that were happening that caused a lot of the problems. 224 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,000 It was the police attacking the crowd. 225 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:11,480 Yes, there were a bazillion people there, but at and I can't remember the exact time 226 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,720 frame, but somebody shot off a flare and it was like that was a signal. 227 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:23,960 And then the police officers started firing into the crowd just willy nilly, you know, 228 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:29,640 firing into the crowd with rubber bullets, with concussion grenades, which killed two 229 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:35,120 people with tear gas, with all kinds of things. 230 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,000 And of course, that's what we see on. 231 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,680 We see the aftermath of that. 232 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:45,000 We don't see them doing that on the news, but we see the crowd after they're reacting 233 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,200 and responding to feeling like they're being attacked. 234 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,640 Yes, that's what I remember from the footage. 235 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,160 Now I've watched other video footage that was like the more context. 236 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,680 Oh, wait a minute. 237 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:03,400 And to another thing that's important to note is that there were tons of people that were 238 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,440 already at the Capitol that started at the Capitol that day that didn't go down to the 239 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,920 ellipse to listen to President Trump's speech. 240 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:18,040 There were about at least 12 different organizations, well known organizations, women for Trump, 241 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:25,720 Latinos for Trump, Stop the Steal, tons of different groups that all had permits to set 242 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:30,560 up around the Capitol that day, had their own stages, had their own slate of speakers, 243 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,960 security, all kinds of things. 244 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,120 They all had permits to do that. 245 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:41,560 And so all of these major groups have tens or hundreds of thousands of followers. 246 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:47,840 And while President Trump was speaking, all of those permits were revoked. 247 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:53,480 Now you can't get the word out, especially when they had all of our phones jammed. 248 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,400 And so it was literally walking into a trap because nobody knew, like a lot of people 249 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:03,440 came to hear just some of those speakers and nobody knew, well, they can't speak anymore. 250 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:04,440 Right? 251 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:05,680 Wow. 252 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:11,320 So there were several groups that were already set up around the Capitol. 253 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:18,280 And then once the police started firing into the crowd and hurting people that 100% instigated 254 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,680 some of the bad things that happened that day. 255 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:27,280 So my experience inside the Capitol, when I walked into the rotunda, the first thing 256 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,960 that I saw were a group of people that were in a prayer circle. 257 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:36,560 And so I went over there and joined them and they were all in tactical gear. 258 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:41,120 And I found out two years later that those were the oath keepers who have been especially 259 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,720 demonized by the Department of Injustice through this whole thing. 260 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:50,320 And so my lawyer likes to point out that I always stayed within the red velvet ropes. 261 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:56,840 And I took pictures and videos and visited with people and sang and all of that. 262 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,480 Well, actually today, for the first time, sorry to interrupt, but I just want to call 263 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:00,480 this out. 264 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,680 I saw that picture of you and I'm going to put that in the newsletter, but I saw that 265 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,720 picture of you in there and it's like, this is wonderful. 266 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:07,720 You look like a tourist. 267 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:08,720 Yes. 268 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:09,720 You can see how excited I am. 269 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,580 You were smiling ear to ear and like, this is wonderful. 270 00:16:12,580 --> 00:16:18,920 So it wasn't like you were sneaking around, running outside the ropes and trying to duck 271 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,600 and hide for cover is you were on a tour. 272 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:22,600 Right. 273 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:27,240 And I walked past police officers through an open door. 274 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:33,520 And so after I was, I guess done in the Capitol Rotunda, then went over into Statuary Hall, 275 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:39,480 same situation, family, small children, elderly people, tons of Vietnam veterans. 276 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,480 Those are my favorite humans are Vietnam veterans. 277 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,920 My dad and my uncle are both Vietnam vets. 278 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:49,080 And, and they still have a lot of fight left in them. 279 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:50,920 Indeed they do. 280 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:55,840 And then I was wandering around in the hallways and I was inside for 19 minutes and I was 281 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:01,320 in the hallway above where Ashley Babbitt was murdered by Capitol police officer, Lieutenant 282 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,240 Michael Byrd. 283 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,800 And people were coming out with blood on their hands saying they killed a girl. 284 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,560 And I thought, well, things are turning. 285 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,520 It's probably time for me to go. 286 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:16,200 And so I walked out the East side of the Capitol, past police officers through an open door, 287 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:23,760 just like I'd come in and really, really had no idea at the time of what January 6th would 288 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,080 become. 289 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:32,320 I went back to the hotel in a few hours and sat down and recorded a 27 minute long Facebook 290 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:37,880 live video, which I had done every single day since election day to explain to people, 291 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,800 you know, the court cases and what the constitution says and what our options are and all of this 292 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:43,800 stuff. 293 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:48,960 And somebody took a one minute clip out of that video where I had particularly bombastic 294 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:55,480 language and put it on Twitter and that got 7 million views in two days. 295 00:17:55,480 --> 00:18:01,680 And that is what made me infamous, I suppose. 296 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,640 So by God's grace, I had the first flight out the next day, January 7th, and I flew 297 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,360 into Oklahoma City for a business meeting. 298 00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:12,760 Now, let me ask a question about as the day unfolded, did you begin to hear things in 299 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,800 terms of, oh, no, at this point? 300 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,080 No, you're thinking, well, that was odd. 301 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:19,080 That was weird. 302 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:20,560 I'm feeling somebody got hurt. 303 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,640 So you knew that you knew there had been somebody hurt, right? 304 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:24,640 With the blood. 305 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:25,640 I knew somebody had been hurt. 306 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:30,880 But so by the time I got back to the hotel, I'd already been protesting for 12 hours in 307 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:37,720 22 degree weather and was exhausted and I never turned on the news, anything like that. 308 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,680 I just went back to the hotel room and went to bed because I had to get up at 4 a.m. to 309 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,120 get to the airport. 310 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:49,320 So I had no concept of the other things that had happened that day that I wasn't aware 311 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,840 of, much less how the media would capitalize on those. 312 00:18:53,840 --> 00:19:02,280 And so the next day when I landed in Oklahoma City and turned my phone back on was when 313 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,440 I started getting death threats. 314 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:06,440 Wow. 315 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:11,240 And it was because of that video you had posted was going viral. 316 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:12,240 Yes. 317 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:17,480 And people were reacting to the out of context clip piece of that. 318 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:18,480 Yes. 319 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:26,120 And I was getting death threats and people calling and HBO and CNN and BBC finding my 320 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:30,720 mother's cell phone number and contacting her. 321 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,120 And it got bad really, really fast. 322 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:42,240 And I guess to kind of summarize that within 12 hours of that one minute clip being posted, 323 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:50,080 I had one thousand one star reviews on my flower shop in Midland. 324 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,080 Wow. 325 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,200 And to Google's credit, they took them down because it was such an unusual behavior. 326 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:55,200 It was a hit job. 327 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,200 Yeah, it was a hit job. 328 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:57,200 Yeah. 329 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,680 But that of course didn't stop people from even to this day. 330 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,960 And I don't own that business anymore. 331 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,320 Posting one star reviews. 332 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,160 And my employees were terrified. 333 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:14,360 And we had the phones unplugged for five days because it was just nonstop hate and vitriol 334 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:16,400 from across the country and international. 335 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,200 This is amazing because I'm very familiar with Midland, Odessa. 336 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:21,680 My wife grew up in Odessa. 337 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:22,680 We lived in Midland. 338 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,600 We're in a great church out there. 339 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,660 And so I'm very familiar with the lay of the land there. 340 00:20:28,660 --> 00:20:29,660 It's the middle of nowhere. 341 00:20:29,660 --> 00:20:35,560 It's the middle of the Texas desert heading towards New Mexico and heading towards, you 342 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:36,920 know, Pecos and all that area. 343 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,680 And so you're kind of on the edge of civilization in Midland, Texas. 344 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:45,040 But all of a sudden, because of the internet, you're infamous. 345 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,800 Oh, yes. 346 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:47,800 And I was already well known in Midland. 347 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,920 I mean, literally within hours. 348 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:51,920 Yes. 349 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,880 And then the bans started happening. 350 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,760 I'm lifetime banned from PayPal and Venmo. 351 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:09,520 At the time, I was banned from Airbnb, Uber, John Birch Society, a restaurant in Midland 352 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:17,240 that is no longer there, kicked me out quite publicly and told me I was never allowed back. 353 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:18,920 You know, different things like that. 354 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:25,380 And so a week later, to kind of fast forward through my story and get to the good part, 355 00:21:25,380 --> 00:21:28,760 a week later, I was arrested at my flower shop. 356 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:34,160 I'm number 68 to be arrested out of 1600. 357 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:40,320 And it was the day that we were set to reopen after having been closed for a week because 358 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,720 no actual customers could get through to us. 359 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,120 And all of my employees were terrified. 360 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:48,860 None of their families wanted them to come back and work for me. 361 00:21:48,860 --> 00:21:53,560 We didn't know if somebody was going to, you know, organize a protest in front of the shop 362 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,600 or try to hurt us or anything like that. 363 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:03,360 And about 10 minutes before the day that we were supposed to reopen, the Midland Police 364 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:08,080 Department showed up and I can tell you all of that was unconstitutional too, but I didn't 365 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,080 know that at the time. 366 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,540 And there were eight police officers and seven vehicles in full tactical gear carrying long 367 00:22:14,540 --> 00:22:21,880 arms and two attack dogs to come arrest little old me, flower shop lady who had run for mayor 368 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:28,000 two years before and was friends with the chief of police. 369 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:33,000 And so they take me to the FBI where I invoked my rights. 370 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:38,120 And then the FBI took me to the US Marshals where I was shackled by my hands, my feet 371 00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:40,280 and around my waist. 372 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,760 And I have nothing good to say about the FBI, but the US Marshals were wonderful. 373 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,520 They were very professional. 374 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,160 They thought the whole thing was ridiculous. 375 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,840 They knew I wasn't a domestic terrorist. 376 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,520 And so they put me in federal holding cell until I was able to get in front of a judge. 377 00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:01,120 At the time, I was only charged with two low level misdemeanors and the judge let me out 378 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:07,520 on personal recognizance bond and I went back to the flower shop. 379 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:13,520 And so I was never incarcerated outside of that day. 380 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:20,800 And a couple of weeks later, by then I'd already hired an attorney, Marina Medvin out of Alexandria 381 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:21,800 Virginia. 382 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:22,800 She's wonderful. 383 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,000 She's in the top 5% of constitutional attorneys in the country. 384 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,520 And before me, she had only ever represented criminals. 385 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,800 So let's pause here because I will pick this back up. 386 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,800 I want to know what was your mental state during this time, your emotional state? 387 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:43,600 I mean, this is like an avalanche that you hear you hear a gun go off or a bomb, you 388 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,920 know how they start avalanches. 389 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,960 And then you hear the rumble and then it's there. 390 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,840 It's on you before you even have time to. 391 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,560 So how are you processing this in real time while all this is unfolding? 392 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:55,560 Oh, I wasn't. 393 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:56,560 It was all survival. 394 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:57,560 Wow. 395 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:02,680 I didn't deal with the grief and trauma of January 6th until I moved down here to Fredericksburg 396 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:03,680 15 months ago. 397 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:04,680 Wow. 398 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:05,680 My goodness. 399 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:06,680 Because you can't. 400 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:07,680 Yeah, it's real time. 401 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:08,680 You're in survival. 402 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,680 When I was arrested one week later. 403 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:10,680 Just trying to keep your head above water. 404 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:11,680 Yes. 405 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:12,680 They could have extradited me to DC where I would still be in prison today. 406 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:24,160 They could have held me indefinitely without charges based off of the Patriot Act, which 407 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,160 is the worst thing that's ever happened to our country. 408 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,720 It's a scourge. 409 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:33,080 Because they immediately labeled all of us as domestic terrorists or radicals or white 410 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,880 supremacists, whatever. 411 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,880 And so that opens it up to where they can hold you indefinitely without charges under 412 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:40,880 the Patriot Act. 413 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,280 And just they can push the Constitution aside. 414 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:44,280 Yes. 415 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:45,360 All your rights are gone. 416 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:49,840 And so it was all survival because I didn't know where I was going. 417 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:59,860 So about a week or two after I was arrested, I find out that I was indicted and upcharged. 418 00:24:59,860 --> 00:25:04,840 And so now I was charged with four misdemeanors and a felony. 419 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,660 And the felony charges called the 1512 and it's for corruptly obstructing an official 420 00:25:09,660 --> 00:25:12,420 government proceeding before Congress. 421 00:25:12,420 --> 00:25:15,440 And it was created as a result of the Enron scandal. 422 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:20,160 And it only has to do with witness tampering and document tampering. 423 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:27,440 And in June of 2024, the Supreme Court overturned it and said that never should have been used 424 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:28,440 against January 6th defendants. 425 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:29,440 It did not apply. 426 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,440 I remember when that was overturned. 427 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:31,440 Okay. 428 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:32,440 Well, that didn't matter at the time. 429 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:33,440 Right. 430 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,880 I mean, I was facing a max of 20 years in prison. 431 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,520 Is the sentence for that? 432 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,380 It was a max of 20 years. 433 00:25:40,380 --> 00:25:48,360 And so my lawyer, Marina, sent me an email now with her felony retainer charge. 434 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:51,320 Of course, I'd already retained her services. 435 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:52,320 Wow. 436 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,480 And none of us knew what January 6th was going to turn into. 437 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:56,480 Right. 438 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:05,900 And so I get this email and it says $40,000 is the retainer for a felony. 439 00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:13,520 And I went into the bathroom in the flower shop and I sat down on the floor and I cried 440 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:21,040 because of course I didn't have $40,000 and didn't know what this was going to turn into. 441 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,040 Right. 442 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,760 Just knew that now I was facing prison time. 443 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:31,600 And some of the things that I've always believed in started running through my mind. 444 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:39,840 And one of those things is that God didn't bring me this far to drop me on my ass now. 445 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,840 And so I got back up and I went to my computer and I emailed her back and I said, well, I 446 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:50,960 don't have $40,000, but I've got 15 in savings and I'll send that to you and then put me 447 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,720 on a payment plan. 448 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:53,720 And she did. 449 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,300 Bless her heart. 450 00:26:56,300 --> 00:27:03,480 So long story short, 10 months later, the Department of Injustice offered me a plea 451 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:09,040 deal for trespassing that if I would plead guilty to trespassing, then they would drop 452 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,120 all other charges, including that felony. 453 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:23,420 And that timeframe was very difficult because you're stuck between, well, do I take this 454 00:27:23,420 --> 00:27:29,440 to trial in DC to a jury not of my peers, knowing that I could be convicted on all five 455 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:36,340 charges or do I say that I'm guilty of trespassing in the people's house? 456 00:27:36,340 --> 00:27:38,480 Something that I don't actually believe that I'm guilty of. 457 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:39,480 Right. 458 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,160 That's a very difficult spot to be in. 459 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,440 Horrible, horrific place to be in. 460 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,240 And I can tell you that I made a deal with God. 461 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,200 I don't know if God feels the same way, but from my perspective, I made a deal with God 462 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:57,600 that if I got my consequences of January 6th over sooner, that I would use my voice to 463 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:03,400 educate people and to tell the truth about what happened that day and to tell the stories 464 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,520 of the people that can't, either because they died that day, they committed suicide 465 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,920 later or because everything can and will be held against you in a court of law. 466 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,720 And so for the last almost three years now, I've traveled all over Texas, Oklahoma and 467 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:24,440 Alabama speaking to whoever will listen to me and talking about these other January 6th 468 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,000 defendants and talking about the organizations that help them and how people can get involved 469 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:35,480 and get the truth and watch the free documentaries that are on stophate.com and actually get 470 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,280 educated about what happened. 471 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:46,040 And so then fast forward to March of 22, I took the plea deal for trespassing, fast forward 472 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,480 to March of 22, I was sentenced. 473 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,480 I had the most conservative judge, Judge Trevor McFadden. 474 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,280 He was a Trump appointee. 475 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,280 And at the time, he was the only one that was relatively level headed. 476 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,600 Now, a lot of my friends went to sentencing with him after I did and every single one 477 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,960 of them got sent to prison. 478 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,680 And he sentenced me to two months federal probation and a $5,000 fine because my words 479 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,040 hurt people. 480 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,940 Wow. 481 00:29:14,940 --> 00:29:17,880 Which used to be covered under the First Amendment. 482 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:25,560 And I'm not sure who those people, those victims of my words are, but they should get tougher 483 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,760 and learn about the founding of our country. 484 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,080 Amen. 485 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:35,120 And so I was off of federal probation in May of 22. 486 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,800 And I have one of the lightest sentences of January 6th. 487 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,240 And that's all God business. 488 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,040 You know, I don't know why, but I know I'm going to do something with it. 489 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,560 Well, from what I know, you already are. 490 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,560 Yes. 491 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,240 You're making good on your promise. 492 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,720 You're making good on your covenant. 493 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,160 And I wouldn't even call it a contract. 494 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,480 I would call it a covenant. 495 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,560 You're making good on that because you are. 496 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:05,560 The way I met you was in our church and somebody said, there's a J6er here. 497 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,320 And I think you either came and introduced yourself or somebody brought you to me. 498 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,000 And we just talked and immediately my heart just melted for you. 499 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,000 Thank you. 500 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,040 It had not been too long since then and I had watched one of those documentaries. 501 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,280 I wish I could recall the name of it. 502 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,280 I have to see the list. 503 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,760 I could tell you which one it was. 504 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,120 And we were just, we were shattered over it. 505 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,340 We were moved over it because all we knew is what the mainstream media and the legacy 506 00:30:30,340 --> 00:30:33,200 media wanted us to know about it. 507 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:41,800 And of course they showed every angle that was bad and how they portrayed what happened 508 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,760 was so not the actual narrative. 509 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:45,760 Right. 510 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,120 It's always been the same five clips. 511 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,120 It is. 512 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,120 Yeah. 513 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,200 That legacy media has shown for four years straight. 514 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,200 You're right. 515 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,200 So when I met you and I think we got together not long after that, you sat in our office 516 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,760 and you shared your story with Annette. 517 00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:59,960 And of course we all cried. 518 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:06,160 I mean, we were all just broken and moved over it because the thing that God has done 519 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,560 in me over even the last few years has been I've fallen in love with America. 520 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,120 I've fallen in love with my nation. 521 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,120 I've always been proud. 522 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,080 And I'm from Texas so I'm doubly proud. 523 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,080 Yes. 524 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,080 Amen. 525 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,080 The Republic of Texas. 526 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,160 And so I've always been proud of it. 527 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:25,920 But I didn't have the underpinnings that I do now and the knowledge that I have now. 528 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,960 But there's a flip side to that coin. 529 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:34,640 The deeper I've gone into understanding how things work, it can do one or the other. 530 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,240 Either it's fight or flight. 531 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:42,240 And a lot of my friends who are pastors have decided to run the other way because it's 532 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,880 too complicated, too layered. 533 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,000 It takes too long to get things done. 534 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,080 And instead of worrying about it, they've just pushed it off to the side. 535 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,760 And now it's a category over here instead of actually something that is a part of their 536 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,760 lives. 537 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,640 And the way I've worded it is this, Judy, I say, and I even said it yesterday, I do 538 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,960 not believe that America is a good idea that God blessed after the fact. 539 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,760 I believe that America is a God idea that we have a responsibility to steward. 540 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,680 And so I've stepped into that space to say, what is my role? 541 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,040 How can I participate in this? 542 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:22,600 Just like you have over the last 10 years, you've done this for a lot of your life and 543 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,600 your parents taught you to do that. 544 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:26,600 What is my role? 545 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,860 And that's really one of the calls that I have for people today is find your role, find 546 00:32:30,860 --> 00:32:31,860 your lane. 547 00:32:31,860 --> 00:32:38,360 Is it that God would have you do to steward this God idea, what has been called the great 548 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,720 experiment? 549 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:46,200 And then do it, run with it, run with gusto and do it in spite of the consequences. 550 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,200 Oh, yes. 551 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,680 And they're going to be different for everybody. 552 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:56,040 You happen to be, you could say the wrong place at the wrong time, or it could be very 553 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,040 well be. 554 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,040 And I think this is your heart. 555 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,280 I was at the right place at the right time. 556 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,280 Yes. 557 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,520 I want to talk to that. 558 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:12,760 So when I started speaking publicly in January of 22 before I was even sentenced, so I knew 559 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,760 that everything that I said could really be used against me in a court of law. 560 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,040 I immediately started having and it still happens to this day, having people come up 561 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,600 to me and say, oh, I was supposed to be there that day. 562 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,240 But God told me not to go. 563 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:35,000 And it used to really bother me because I thought, boy, he didn't tell me not to go. 564 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,160 Am I not listening? 565 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:42,840 I really wish I'd known because I would not have willingly signed up for the last four 566 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,760 years of this. 567 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,680 Or people would say, oh, I was supposed to go, but then my kid got sick or had a soccer 568 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,840 game or something like that. 569 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:58,240 And again, it used to really bother me because we're so used to as Americans being lazy 570 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,720 and complacent and having everything handed to us. 571 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,720 And that's a lot of the reason why the government has gotten out of control because we've allowed 572 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,340 them to do it. 573 00:34:05,340 --> 00:34:09,560 And it's easier to just rely on the government to allegedly fix whatever problem, which they 574 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:10,560 never do. 575 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,960 Well, after all, we elect them so they do what we tell them to do, right? 576 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:14,960 And they do not. 577 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:15,960 Exactly. 578 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,560 They do not. 579 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,780 And so that was hard for a long time, especially in the beginning. 580 00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:26,880 And another thing that was very difficult was out of the thousands of people that I 581 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:36,800 know, almost all of whom I would say are Christians, not one single person ever invited me to go 582 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:43,240 to church because they were afraid of being judged, bringing the local domestic terrorists 583 00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:44,240 to church. 584 00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:45,240 Wow. 585 00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:46,240 Wow. 586 00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:54,400 Now I would have strangers in Walmart walk up to me and say, can I pray over you? 587 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,760 Right? 588 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,880 But unfortunately, most people aren't willing to put their image or their reputation on 589 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,560 the line in order to help somebody else. 590 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,000 And so that has fundamentally changed my life. 591 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,560 The first time I met you, I remember saying, thank you. 592 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,040 Thank you for your service. 593 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,640 Thank you for what you've done. 594 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,440 And I didn't even know your story at that point. 595 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:16,440 I just met you. 596 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,560 And as I've met others who have come either through you and others have come in that are 597 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,680 quote, J sixers, I see them as somebody to be thanked, I see them. 598 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:27,800 Thank you for fighting. 599 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,580 Thank you for standing. 600 00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:32,240 Thank you for not giving in. 601 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:33,240 Yes. 602 00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:34,240 Not giving up. 603 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:35,240 Yes. 604 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:36,240 And not quitting. 605 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:40,640 And that's to me, it's remarkable and it needs to be praised. 606 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:49,000 And it breaks my heart to think that other pastors would want you to not be noticed or 607 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,520 not be recognized or to be pushed aside. 608 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,320 I've called you out several times in worship services. 609 00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:08,920 I've called out Masserano from New Braunfels who was part of the Trump train that got indicted. 610 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:15,040 To me, it's like these are patriots and they're heroes and they're people who are paying the 611 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:24,200 highest price for simply loving their country and getting caught up in a weaponized system 612 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:31,200 that is designed to attack and designed to strip them of their rights, their constitutional 613 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:36,800 rights and ignore what this country was founded upon. 614 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,560 And it's interesting to me because as a pastor, one of the things I've learned from the political 615 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,160 world and life is that if I have somebody that's in opposition to me and they come and 616 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,960 talk to me, I'm like, let's talk. 617 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:48,960 Yes. 618 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:49,960 Oh, absolutely. 619 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,040 I'm all in. 620 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,000 I have no problem with pushback or disagreement. 621 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,680 I just have a problem with the way people push back and disagree. 622 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:02,600 If you're going to weaponize or you're going to castigate somebody or throw them under 623 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:08,160 the bus or try to diminish their value, then that's where I have a problem. 624 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:13,400 And so I just want to say thank you to right here, right now for what you've done, what 625 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,400 you're doing. 626 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,160 And now I want to bring it to where we are now because I am so excited about what you're 627 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,160 up to. 628 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,160 Okay. 629 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,560 Sounds like the ceiling is caving in. 630 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,160 It's because Tommy's up above us. 631 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,160 There's a storage area. 632 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,160 Good job, Tommy. 633 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,160 And the way we do it with our podcast is we say, hey, we're at work. 634 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,160 Right. 635 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,160 We're at work. 636 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,160 Whatever you hear, ignore it. 637 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,160 The sky's not falling. 638 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,660 So, so share, just bring us up to speed. 639 00:37:35,660 --> 00:37:40,520 You know, after I got off of federal probation, I've always been very involved with the different 640 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,760 J6 organizations and nonprofits and everything like that. 641 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:53,360 And I started to realize that there are tons of J6 organizations to help the January 6 642 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,040 defendants, the political hostages today. 643 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,640 You know, there's organizations if you want to write them letters while they're in prison 644 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,480 or if you want to help take care of their wives and children and make sure that they 645 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,920 don't get behind on their mortgage or their transmission doesn't go out, different things 646 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:09,920 like that. 647 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,600 So let me stop you there because it's important. 648 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:19,080 So how can we, I know you've become in a sense a hub, almost a clearinghouse if you will, 649 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:24,640 where if somebody wanted to be able to get in touch with you to say, here's what I have 650 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,480 to help or how can I help, let's go ahead and get that out right now. 651 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,480 What is the best way for people to connect? 652 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,480 Yes. 653 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:38,920 If you go to j6roadhome.com, then that is where you can get ahold of me or just ask 654 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,720 Pastor Jimmy for my cell phone number and that'll work as well. 655 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:48,440 I'm not shy about giving out my phone number because CNN, HBO, BBC, everybody's got it. 656 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,400 So it was all public information at one time. 657 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:57,800 So I realized that all of the J6 organizations that were around at the time were working 658 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,280 on how can we help them today and nobody was working on what do we do with them when they 659 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,700 get out. 660 00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:10,680 Because very quickly after I was sentenced in March of 22, we started realizing that 661 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,320 everybody is going to prison. 662 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:18,840 Everybody, it doesn't matter what you did and it might only be for 30 days or whatever, 663 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,120 but everybody is going to prison. 664 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:28,840 So Jeanne, let's pick right back up on the, is it.org or.com? 665 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:29,840 J6roadhome.com. 666 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:30,840 Wonderful. 667 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,040 We want you to check that out and go to that website. 668 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,360 What are they going to find on the website? 669 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:45,480 So what we have created is a comprehensive healing program to where the J6ers can come 670 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,760 and rebuild their lives after prison. 671 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,020 So that's what I was saying about there were plenty of organizations to take care of them 672 00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:56,760 today while they are incarcerated, but nobody was working on what to do with them when they 673 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:57,760 get out. 674 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,040 We call that after care. 675 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,240 When I was in the, I worked with Child Protective Services. 676 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,680 I worked for foster care agencies. 677 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,660 I ran a foster care agency. 678 00:40:06,660 --> 00:40:08,880 So I've done a lot of this work. 679 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,120 That was the biggest weakness in the system. 680 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,120 Oh yes. 681 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,200 Is when they aged out, we would call it in terms of a little different terminology, but 682 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,000 same effect. 683 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,600 At 18 they age out of the system and there is nothing. 684 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,560 There was nothing for them. 685 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,160 We were a part of, I worked for Buckner Children's Home. 686 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,920 We started developing an after care program. 687 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,160 Exactly what you're doing. 688 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,960 We found out very few people were doing this. 689 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,120 They were getting, instead of lost in the system, they were getting to become a part 690 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,120 of another system. 691 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,120 Right. 692 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,120 So anyway. 693 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:48,280 So this is the, I believe, God idea that I've been working on since I got off of probation 694 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:54,640 two and a half years ago is how can I, not me of course, but how can I build something 695 00:40:54,640 --> 00:41:00,040 that's big enough to where we can house them and feed them and employ them and help them 696 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,040 rebuild their lives. 697 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,840 And it looks to me from the outside looking in, this is happening. 698 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,480 Oh, it's happening so fast. 699 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,040 What I mentioned, avalanche earlier in a negative way. 700 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,240 This is avalanche in a positive way. 701 00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:14,240 So share what you guys have got going out there in Lucanbach. 702 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:15,240 It's amazing. 703 00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:24,160 So God brought us down here in September of 23 and gave us 11 acres out there by Lucanbach. 704 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,320 And I've wanted to live in Fredericksburg when I was eight years old and I've looked at real 705 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:34,680 estate for 32 years and kept being drawn to this specific property. 706 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,680 And now I know why. 707 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:36,680 Wow. 708 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:37,680 Right. 709 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,120 So we have plenty of room to grow. 710 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:45,660 And about a month ago, which would be early December, was when we officially launched 711 00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:52,240 our website, j6roadhome.com and started going on podcasts and interviews and radio and all 712 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,280 that kind of stuff and publicizing it. 713 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,780 And the outpouring of support from the community has just been nuts. 714 00:41:59,780 --> 00:42:04,400 So what we're doing is we're building five tiny homes so that everybody will have their 715 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,640 own space. 716 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:12,040 And then in the process of us living here in Fredericksburg for the last 15 months, 717 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:20,040 we have built this network of people that are offering jobs from Houston to Midland. 718 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,240 Beautiful. 719 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:26,040 And now after launching our website, I also have employers across the country contacting 720 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,840 me and saying, hey, I've got a job in Georgia. 721 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:33,240 I've got a job in Pennsylvania, which is great because there are 1,600 January 6th 722 00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:34,240 defendants. 723 00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:35,240 Wow. 724 00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:37,360 And we've lost everything. 725 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:44,120 So almost everybody that had a small business lost their small business, especially if they 726 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,800 lived in a more liberal area. 727 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,880 And then early on, a lot of the wives were forced to sell their homes in hopes that they 728 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:58,060 could hire a decent private attorney thinking that that would have a result and an influence 729 00:42:58,060 --> 00:42:59,560 on the outcome, which it didn't. 730 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,520 You're going to prison. 731 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,520 And so now they don't have any assets, anything like that. 732 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:11,160 There are out of 1,600 of us, there are 186 veterans. 733 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,760 And for the vast majority of them, the VA has cut off their benefits. 734 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:15,760 Oh my goodness. 735 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,360 And their families have been fighting that while their loved ones incarcerated. 736 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,840 They have gotten especially horrible treatment. 737 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:31,000 I have to hope and believe and pray that with the new leadership coming in, hopefully confirmed 738 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,520 today, that should be confirmed today from the electors and the Congress and then the 739 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:42,120 20th of January, 14 days from now, hopefully some of those things will be changed and restored. 740 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,120 Yes. 741 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,120 And I don't want to get you ahead of your story, but I do want to get to- 742 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,120 I will cover that though. 743 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,120 Thank you very much. 744 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,120 I will cover that. 745 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,120 Good. 746 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:55,960 So just some of the miracles that have happened since we have launched our j6roadhome.com 747 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,040 website. 748 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:05,440 We now through other J6 organizations have a nationwide telehealth organization in place 749 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:13,640 with doctors, licensed professional counselors that are donating all of their time and services. 750 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:23,960 We have had neighbors come out just last week and offered to pay for a water well and septic, 751 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,960 which is enormous because we have to have that infrastructure. 752 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:27,960 Absolutely. 753 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:28,960 Yes. 754 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,480 We have had some beautiful contractors here in town, Edwin Brooks and Brandon Crozier, 755 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:39,280 who have not only donated all of their time and services, but also found other subcontractors 756 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:44,960 that are willing to donate for welding or framing or different trades. 757 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,720 I know a plumber you can talk to. 758 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:47,720 Oh, good. 759 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:50,320 Because we don't have a plumber that has volunteered yet. 760 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,240 Got one here, Kevin Lenz. 761 00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:58,000 And then also Edwin and Brandon have gone out to all of their vendors that they buy 762 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:05,520 building supplies from and have started getting donations through that. 763 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,600 We are going to have our first Tony house up by January 20th. 764 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:17,280 So we've already done the concrete and the welding and we're framing today. 765 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,080 Well they are framing today while I'm talking to you inside. 766 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:27,200 And we will have it completely done by January 20th because we are expecting that President 767 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:34,840 Trump, he has mentioned it many times, that President Trump is going to give all of us 768 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,280 a pardon of innocence. 769 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,620 There's two types of pardons. 770 00:45:38,620 --> 00:45:42,960 There's pardon of forgiveness, which is what most pardons are, and a pardon of innocence, 771 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,200 which has only ever happened one time. 772 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,960 And it's when President Trump gave General Flynn a pardon of innocence. 773 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,800 And so we are expecting that President Trump will give us a pardon of innocence. 774 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:57,440 And if that is the case, then the Bureau of Presidents only has until midnight on January 775 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:58,440 20th to release our people. 776 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,120 So I'm glad you said that because that was something that really struck me when we talked 777 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:06,520 about this before is that depending on what time of day it happens, I mean they could 778 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,640 be within hours of walking out. 779 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,840 So there's a lot of pre-preparation that needs to happen. 780 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:14,840 Yes. 781 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,760 Transportation, where are they going to go? 782 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:17,760 Who's picking them up? 783 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,720 I mean the logistics of this and how many thousands, how many people are we talking 784 00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:22,720 about? 785 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:26,800 So there's currently about 238 that are incarcerated. 786 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,840 Now that's across the country. 787 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:36,080 And so via the Constitution, President Trump gets sworn into office at noon Eastern time 788 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:46,960 on January 20th and has said that within nine minutes, which is the ride from the swearing-in 789 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:54,320 ceremony outside of the Capitol to the head of the parade is nine minutes. 790 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:55,680 And he did this last time too. 791 00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:00,360 He had a whole bunch of executive orders in the limo that he started signing. 792 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:01,360 On the way? 793 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,360 Yes. 794 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:03,360 Wow. 795 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,160 Because there's no need in wasting time. 796 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:12,840 And so through some of our other J6 organizations, we now have a network of volunteers that are 797 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:18,400 going to every single federal prison that has one of our people in it on January 20th 798 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:25,040 to wait in the parking lot and hopefully see the prison doors swing open. 799 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:31,840 And so I have several rooms blocked off at our place through our B&B because I anticipate 800 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:38,840 that I may have four or five J6ers straight out of prison that show up at 2 a.m. and are 801 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,100 in limbo. 802 00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:43,700 Some of them do have families still. 803 00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:46,160 Some of them do have places to go. 804 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:51,560 But the closest prison to us is Bastrop and that has five J6ers in it. 805 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:57,040 So there could be an interim time where they need to stay a day or two or to reorient, 806 00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,220 get transportation to where they're going, whatever. 807 00:47:59,220 --> 00:48:01,320 And I'm going to cook them all a steak dinner. 808 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,320 Beautiful. 809 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:03,320 Beautiful. 810 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:08,880 So yes, back to the community and how the community has stepped up with our... 811 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,960 And I want to remind our community listening to this podcast, you can help. 812 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,080 You can get involved. 813 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,920 This is something that we can all do and take part in. 814 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:26,480 And so we want to encourage you to go to j6roadhome.com and get in touch. 815 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,000 There's a contact page on here. 816 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,680 I'm looking over the website as we talk. 817 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:36,160 And you can get in touch with Jenny and Doug and let them know, hey, this is how... 818 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:37,160 How can I help? 819 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,480 Or this is what I have to help? 820 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,580 This is what I can bring. 821 00:48:40,580 --> 00:48:44,320 And so I want to encourage you that are listening to do that right now. 822 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:45,480 Don't think I'll do it later. 823 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,320 Do it now while you're thinking about it. 824 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,320 Thank you. 825 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,320 Go ahead. 826 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:50,320 And there's so many different... 827 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:51,320 People have gotten so creative. 828 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:52,320 I just love it. 829 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,760 I love when a community comes together to support somebody. 830 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,960 We have had two vehicles donated. 831 00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:58,960 Beautiful. 832 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:04,200 Which is great because then those first couple guys that come will have something to drive. 833 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,480 We already have counseling in place, pastoral care. 834 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,320 Several different jobs, different things like that. 835 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:16,760 And then I've gotten emails from people saying, hey, can I just mail you a Visa gift card? 836 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:17,760 Absolutely. 837 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:18,760 Beautiful. 838 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:24,200 I had a little old lady ask if she could order me two sets of queen sheets from my pillow.com. 839 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,200 It all works. 840 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,200 It all matters. 841 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:27,200 It's all needed. 842 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,200 Yes. 843 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,200 And I'm beautiful. 844 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,200 I am going to ask Mike Lindell if he will donate all sheets and pillows and towels. 845 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,440 I just haven't made that call yet. 846 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,080 And then of course, Rick Green at the Patriot Academy, he supports us. 847 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,080 Dear friend of ours. 848 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:47,280 And I told him last night when I was on his show that there's a lot of J6ers that are 849 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,740 talking about running for office. 850 00:49:49,740 --> 00:49:53,400 And there's no greater person to run for office than somebody who has suffered at the hands 851 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,400 of the government. 852 00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:01,400 And I'm like, so I really need to talk to you about having our people that come to live 853 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:07,800 with us go through all of your courses and learn all of the back founding fathers, constitution 854 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,920 front and back, like all of that stuff. 855 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,640 Our constitutional awareness class. 856 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,640 We'll be running that again this next year. 857 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,720 So there's a million ways to get involved. 858 00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:19,920 A million ways to get involved. 859 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:27,200 I can tell you what I really need that keeps popping up in my mind as I need a dentist. 860 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:32,640 We already have telehealth as far as medical doctors go, but I need a dentist here in town 861 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:33,840 that's willing to see people. 862 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,280 None of them have insurance, right? 863 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,240 None of them have money. 864 00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:42,120 If they're willing to see them for cash, then I will go and fundraise the cash in order 865 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,120 to pay for it. 866 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,640 But I know that's something for sure that we need here. 867 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:52,200 We also have a lot of guys that are going to be coming to live with us that are no longer 868 00:50:52,200 --> 00:51:00,540 going to be able to operate in their profession because they lost their license as a result 869 00:51:00,540 --> 00:51:06,080 of January 6th, whether it was pilot's license, real estate license, home inspector, different 870 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,560 things like that. 871 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,960 And so there's a lot of them that are interested in learning trades. 872 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,400 And one of the things that just happened the last couple of days, which is really neat, 873 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,840 a J6 mom reached out to me and said, hey, my son's in prison right now and he lost his 874 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:28,520 license as a result of January 6th, but he's very interested in learning how to be a welder. 875 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,240 Do you have that option available? 876 00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:34,360 Well, I don't currently, but I can figure it out. 877 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:39,920 And then come to find out there is a welding school in Oregon that has contacted one of 878 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:45,480 our sister J6 organizations that has said we will waive all tuition, everything for 879 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,880 the J6ers if they want to come up here and learn this trade. 880 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,720 So there's a million different ways to get involved. 881 00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:57,040 If you have two pennies that are burning a hole in your pocket, we would ask that you 882 00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:02,200 would donate them to the Bridge Church under the Road Home Benevolence. 883 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,920 We're eternally grateful to y'all for providing that opportunity for people. 884 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,360 Well, literally it's the least we can do to help and to get involved and to get you connected 885 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,280 with somebody that can help in other ways. 886 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,060 I know the Lord is so good. 887 00:52:18,060 --> 00:52:20,560 One of the words for God is Elohim. 888 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,680 And it means the creative nature of God. 889 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:23,680 It's the creativity piece. 890 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,180 We call it the Elohim element. 891 00:52:26,180 --> 00:52:27,180 We all have it. 892 00:52:27,180 --> 00:52:32,820 And when we are leaning in to help one another and serve people and serve others, God brings 893 00:52:32,820 --> 00:52:34,480 creative, you're seeing it. 894 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:40,580 You're in the avalanche of it right now of creativity and things that you're having conversations 895 00:52:40,580 --> 00:52:44,160 with contractors and people that you never thought you would ever have a conversation 896 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,160 with. 897 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,760 But the creativity just explodes. 898 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,120 When God's in the middle of something, this is why I know God's all over it. 899 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,400 I see His fingerprint on this. 900 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:59,000 I see the joy you and Doug have in serving and being available. 901 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,480 You're making good on your covenant. 902 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:07,720 And God's honoring that by bringing all these resources to you from just so many different 903 00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:08,720 directions. 904 00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:11,840 I'm sure you're, I can't even imagine your inboxes right now. 905 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:12,840 It's wild. 906 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:22,000 I hope with this we can get more and more, fill your box up even more with opportunities, 907 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,000 with needs. 908 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,160 I've written down dentists, plumber. 909 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,840 I'm thinking of things that you need right now here. 910 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,920 And so God's creative. 911 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:31,920 They're there. 912 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,880 It's just a matter of getting the word out to them. 913 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,160 And so I've got a couple ideas I'm going to follow up on. 914 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,400 One of the things that you mentioned earlier about getting more educated as a person on 915 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,200 the constitution, the founding fathers and all that kind of stuff is, you know, you have 916 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,200 to be real careful of education. 917 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,200 Yes. 918 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,200 Agreed. 919 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:53,960 When you learn something, then you are then responsible for it and you have a duty to 920 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:54,960 it. 921 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,840 You can either run and put your head in the sand and act like you didn't know that, or 922 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,080 you can do something about it. 923 00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:10,300 And so I feel a very, as you can tell, a very strong sense of duty to make sure that I get 924 00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:11,960 myself together, right? 925 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,440 That I go through the healing process. 926 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:15,600 I go through the grief and trauma. 927 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,840 I go through the spiritual battles, all of that kind of stuff. 928 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,000 I start the process of forgiveness, of forgiving the federal government. 929 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,760 That's a big one. 930 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:31,200 Because I have this strong sense of duty that I'm going to be taking somebody else through 931 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,200 that. 932 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,200 Yes. 933 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,160 And so it's not like I wake up one day and I say, oh gosh, I'm not doing anything. 934 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,040 I think I'll learn how to forgive the federal government. 935 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,040 Right? 936 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,040 That didn't happen. 937 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:46,640 I was the direct result of coming here to talk to Pastor Brian Mandel because I was 938 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:51,800 so impressed that y'all had that Comedy in the Constitution event because I have long 939 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:56,040 fought churches for not being involved in the culture. 940 00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:57,040 Yeah. 941 00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,040 With good reason. 942 00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,040 For good reasons. 943 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,040 Yes. 944 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:01,040 Yeah. 945 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,160 And when I came to that Comedy in the Constitution event that next day, I called the church and 946 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,440 I said, I need to speak with your head pastor. 947 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:08,440 Yeah. 948 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:09,440 Yeah. 949 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:10,440 I was going through a month. 950 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:11,440 I was going through a month. 951 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:12,440 Yup. 952 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:18,120 And so I met with Brian and talked Brian's face off for two hours about January 6 and 953 00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,920 what we're doing and all the people and everything. 954 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:28,840 And then at the very end of it, Naomi walked in and she hadn't heard anything that I said. 955 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:29,840 Right? 956 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,840 And Brian said, Jenny, this is my life. 957 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,480 Naomi, she's a prayer warrior. 958 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,280 And then he said, Naomi, this is Jenny. 959 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,000 She's a January 6th defendant and she helps other January 6th defendants. 960 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,680 And that's all he said. 961 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,920 And Naomi asked if she could pray over me. 962 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,040 It radically changed my life. 963 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:45,040 Beautiful. 964 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:50,480 Because she started praying things that there is no way that she could have known. 965 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,720 And I know because that's the Holy Spirit. 966 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:53,720 Right? 967 00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:54,720 Absolutely. 968 00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:58,480 About like health issues, like things that I just met this lady. 969 00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:59,480 Right? 970 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:00,920 And so she gets done praying. 971 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,760 I'm of course crying because I'm a crier anyway. 972 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,640 And I looked at her and I said, I would like to be your friend. 973 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,600 She gave me your phone number. 974 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:16,960 And I said, I know that you didn't know those things that you just prayed about. 975 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:26,520 And she goes, Jenny, I don't usually talk to people than I just met about forgiveness. 976 00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:31,080 But you need to forgive the federal government. 977 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:32,400 And I'm crying and crying. 978 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:33,400 Oh, it's huge. 979 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,560 And I said, And it's true. 980 00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:36,560 Yes. 981 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,440 And I said, I don't know how to. 982 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,960 And she starts explaining it to me. 983 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:50,800 And to me, one of the greatest examples of spiritual discernment I have ever witnessed 984 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,080 happened in that conversation. 985 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,600 She's explaining to me how it is that I need to start forgiving the federal government. 986 00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:05,480 And I looked at her and I said, I pray every day that they'll burn in hell for all of eternity. 987 00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:10,320 And instead of judging me or condemning me or telling me that I shouldn't be wishing 988 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:15,960 people to hell or anything like that, she goes, that's okay. 989 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,280 They probably will. 990 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,420 But you didn't deserve forgiveness. 991 00:57:21,420 --> 00:57:23,960 And you got it. 992 00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,960 And she explained to me what's bound on earth is bound in heaven. 993 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,800 What's loose on earth is loose in heaven. 994 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,000 And she goes, you will forever be bound to them. 995 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,640 That's why you have these health problems that I had at the time that are now completely 996 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:36,640 healed. 997 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:43,800 Because you are bound in this realm and bound in the spiritual realm to the federal government, 998 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,440 which is a very large entity, because you're not willing to forgive them. 999 00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:49,440 Right? 1000 00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:50,440 You didn't deserve it. 1001 00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:51,440 They don't deserve it. 1002 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:52,520 You still have to do it. 1003 00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,160 It's called mercy. 1004 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,400 Yes. 1005 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,520 And that completely changed my life. 1006 00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:03,560 When I went home and my husband was getting things ready to open up that evening, and 1007 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,840 I walked in and I said, I've got to go down to the creek side. 1008 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,720 I have to go forgive the federal government. 1009 00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,680 I'll be back when I get back. 1010 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,040 See you tomorrow. 1011 00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,400 And so I went down to the creek and I did the best I could. 1012 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,600 And I listened to some sermons on forgiveness and all of that. 1013 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,920 And thankfully, Naomi had told me that I was probably going to have to do it like several 1014 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:23,920 thousand times. 1015 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:24,920 Absolutely. 1016 00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:25,920 Yes. 1017 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,160 And I think about what the federal government has done to me. 1018 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,920 It's what they have done to my friends. 1019 00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:38,280 And the next day was when the federal government tried to assassinate President Trump. 1020 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,760 And I thought, oh gosh, well, I better go back down to the creek again and work on this. 1021 00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,320 Spent a lot of time down at the creek. 1022 00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,340 But I'm so excited about these guys that are coming here. 1023 00:58:47,340 --> 00:58:49,040 And we may wind up having ladies too. 1024 00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,040 I don't know. 1025 00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:56,360 I think it's men of January 6th, defendants are men, that are coming here because I've 1026 00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:01,440 at least cracked the door to the best of my ability of how to forgive the federal government. 1027 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,800 And they also have to go through that. 1028 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,760 And I'm going to be counting on you and everybody here at the bridge. 1029 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:07,760 Absolutely. 1030 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,080 To help walk these people through this. 1031 00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,080 Absolutely. 1032 00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:12,080 We're here for that. 1033 00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:17,840 And we're here to support, encourage, to build them up and to love them. 1034 00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,560 To show them that there are churches out there that love them. 1035 00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,520 That will not castigate or judge them. 1036 00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:30,200 Because to whom much is given, much is required. 1037 00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,960 And so I'm a mercy guy. 1038 00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:32,960 I'm a grace guy. 1039 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:37,920 That's why I have our invisible sign on the wall that says no perfect people allowed. 1040 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:38,920 Because I'm one of those. 1041 00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,480 I couldn't be the pastor here if that wasn't the case. 1042 00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:48,280 So there's a huge group of people here ready to love them, even if we only have them for 1043 00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:49,280 a day. 1044 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:50,880 We just see them one Sunday. 1045 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,840 Do not neglect to introduce them to me. 1046 00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:53,840 Oh, I will. 1047 00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,840 I will walk up and I will say this is one of my people. 1048 00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,840 You can interrupt all those other people I'm talking to. 1049 00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,840 Unless it's Ross that you saw. 1050 00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:00,840 Yes. 1051 01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:01,840 He's precious. 1052 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,680 But I'm going to give Ross all the time he needs. 1053 01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,720 But really, I want to know them. 1054 01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:07,720 I want to meet them. 1055 01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:12,640 I want to be able to just simply thank them for their service. 1056 01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:21,040 Because they have unwittingly, unknowingly, they have paid a high price to advance and 1057 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,800 create a mark in history. 1058 01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,680 This will not be forgotten. 1059 01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:30,240 This will not just be glossed over even though there are a lot of people who want it to be. 1060 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:34,560 This will need to be kept in front of the American people so that this kind of travesty 1061 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,640 doesn't happen again to innocent Americans. 1062 01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,760 So we need to keep this alive. 1063 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,040 This is one of the reasons why I wanted you on the podcast today. 1064 01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,720 Because I want to be better informed too. 1065 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:53,200 I want to continue to grow and learn and get the nuances from you and others. 1066 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,320 Anything we can do to encourage you, support you and Doug. 1067 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:57,320 I love Doug. 1068 01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:58,320 He's the silent partner man. 1069 01:00:58,320 --> 01:00:59,320 Oh, he is. 1070 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:00,320 He's quiet but he's cool. 1071 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:01,320 I love your husband. 1072 01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:02,320 He's amazing. 1073 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:03,320 Thank you. 1074 01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:04,760 When I pray for you, I'll pray for him too. 1075 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,800 Because he's bearing weight that people don't see. 1076 01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,480 He's behind the scenes. 1077 01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,000 You're the voice and the face. 1078 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,880 He has to put up with all my crazy ideas and moving convicts in and all kinds of stuff. 1079 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,080 Hey, I'm married to somebody like that myself. 1080 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,680 I'm married to an ideologist. 1081 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,240 So I get it. 1082 01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:24,800 But it's our privilege to do so. 1083 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,280 But I know Doug's heart. 1084 01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:31,400 Just in the little time I've been around him, I see that heart and I see his support. 1085 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,040 So it's not Jenny or Doug. 1086 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,040 It's Doug and Jenny together. 1087 01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:37,040 Right. 1088 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,040 Absolutely. 1089 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:39,040 We are a team. 1090 01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:40,040 We are a team. 1091 01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:44,400 I'm glad that God gave me this idea and this calling. 1092 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:50,800 And I'm also, I mean, quite frankly, glad that my people are 1600 people. 1093 01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,520 Because in my mind, that's very manageable. 1094 01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,200 You have a huge family. 1095 01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,520 And it's not one you signed up to be a part of. 1096 01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,040 You didn't will yourself into this. 1097 01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:07,000 But for whatever reason, for such a time as this, as Mordecai told Esther, for such a 1098 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,880 time as this, perhaps this is why you're born. 1099 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,880 And I'm not saying this is your only imprint on this world. 1100 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,320 You've been imprinting the world since you were three years old. 1101 01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:21,280 But this is one that will be a large marker in your life. 1102 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,880 And I think you may spend the rest of your life. 1103 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:28,800 I think the implications of what has happened here will inform the rest of your life, will 1104 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,880 inform your purpose for the rest of your life. 1105 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:36,320 And I'm just thankful that we get to be a small part of it somehow, some way. 1106 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:42,160 And I, we're going to land the plane now today, unless there's one last thing. 1107 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:43,440 I'm going to give you one more shot. 1108 01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:49,960 If there's any last thing you'd like to cover or say, I would like for you to just tell 1109 01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:57,020 me your thoughts about January 20th and what do you think the impact is going to be when 1110 01:02:57,020 --> 01:02:59,360 you get the news for you personally? 1111 01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:00,360 Oh gosh. 1112 01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,640 I've thought about that a million times about what it's going to feel like when I get a 1113 01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,960 presidential pardon. 1114 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:13,840 Because on my record, I just have a misdemeanor conviction for federal trespassing on the 1115 01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,600 people's house. 1116 01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:20,280 So a presidential pardon, I keep saying this, and this is based off of the information I 1117 01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,000 have today, right? 1118 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:27,680 I keep saying that a presidential pardon won't have a large impact on my life compared to 1119 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:33,520 some of my friends who are veterans that have felony convictions and all of that. 1120 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:48,320 But it is some strange form of vindication of knowing that I wasn't crazy. 1121 01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:59,080 I went to DC on January 6th, four years ago, because I was supposed to. 1122 01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,120 It's like that tapestry analogy. 1123 01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:06,360 God gets to see the front of the tapestry and we only get to see the backside and you 1124 01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,440 might just be this little black knot over here, right? 1125 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:13,680 Or you may be this beautiful golden thread that goes all the way through the whole thing, 1126 01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,040 but we don't get to see the front of the tapestry. 1127 01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,240 But we all have a role to play in it. 1128 01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:21,360 And it took a good long time. 1129 01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:27,200 It wasn't until maybe a year ago that I started saying, I'm grateful that I'm a January 6th 1130 01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:28,200 defendant. 1131 01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:33,300 There were 1.7 million people, only 1600 of us got arrested. 1132 01:04:33,300 --> 01:04:40,300 And I'm grateful that I'm a January 6th defendant because of who it made me become and how it 1133 01:04:40,300 --> 01:04:46,760 forced me to draw nearer to God, because there's no other option in the darkness, right? 1134 01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:54,320 And because of what I know I will be able to do in order to help transform somebody 1135 01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,200 else's life. 1136 01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:02,120 And so I don't regret any of the pain and suffering and the prosecution and the persecution 1137 01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:09,880 and the rejection and any of that kind of stuff, because I absolutely believe that nothing, 1138 01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:17,040 really nothing happens in God's world by mistake and nothing is wasted in God's economy. 1139 01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,120 He can take our darkest days. 1140 01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:25,820 He could take whatever terrible things in our past and turn it into our greatest asset, 1141 01:05:25,820 --> 01:05:31,800 because the people that have the scars, those are the people I want to hang out with because 1142 01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:36,640 I know they've been through it and they have the ability to help somebody else. 1143 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:43,880 And every single person has that, regardless of if it's death, divorce, prosecution, I 1144 01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:50,640 mean health issues, whatever it is, once we have survived something by God's grace, it 1145 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,240 is our responsibility and our duty to help walk somebody else through that. 1146 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:55,400 Jenny, I love that. 1147 01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:56,400 I absolutely agree. 1148 01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:01,520 I heard it said this way one time that we've been to hell and back, but we don't smell 1149 01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:05,640 like smoke. 1150 01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,720 That residue is no longer in our lives. 1151 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:12,440 The only residue that's there is there so that we don't forget. 1152 01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:17,580 But God's healing, when God's healing is complete and pure and through, it doesn't mean you 1153 01:06:17,580 --> 01:06:18,580 forget what happened. 1154 01:06:18,580 --> 01:06:20,960 It's now you don't see it as a failure. 1155 01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,980 You don't see it as a mistake. 1156 01:06:22,980 --> 01:06:25,600 And failure is never failure if you're learning from it. 1157 01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:32,400 And so we're learning from these scars, these things, these wounds from our past. 1158 01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:39,360 And just in the time I've known you, and even I was struck by something you said that you 1159 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:44,080 really didn't begin your grief and your healing process until you moved here. 1160 01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:48,440 And that's where, so that means in 15 months, there's been a whole lot of healing. 1161 01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,000 Oh, good heavens, yes. 1162 01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,000 And I see it. 1163 01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:52,680 I see it on you. 1164 01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,360 I see it in you. 1165 01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,440 And I see that being fleshed out. 1166 01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:02,080 I talked about yesterday of faith and faith, the result of faith is action. 1167 01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,520 It's not faith unless there's action attached. 1168 01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:09,440 I was the one out in the congregation yelling, come on, when you were talking about that. 1169 01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,680 I think I heard you. 1170 01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,680 So Jenny, thank you so much for being here today. 1171 01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:19,640 This will not be our last podcast together. 1172 01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:23,360 When I love people, I want to be around them and I want more time with them. 1173 01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:28,800 And so I think we need to look at doing another special edition, Living Up and Down World 1174 01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,160 together after the 20th. 1175 01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,880 Yes, and after my first two people come that are heading this way. 1176 01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:35,880 Beautiful. 1177 01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:36,880 We'll do that. 1178 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,640 We'll catch up in, say, February, early February. 1179 01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:44,480 Let's circle back and let's celebrate and let's talk about what's happened because I 1180 01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:48,880 know in the next few weeks, like I said, it's an avalanche right now, but it's an avalanche 1181 01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:49,880 of goodness. 1182 01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:53,640 It's an avalanche of good people showing up and saying, I'm here to help. 1183 01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,360 And I believe that, I think it's just getting started. 1184 01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:57,360 Oh, yes. 1185 01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:02,440 I am expecting signs, miracles and wonders in the coming days. 1186 01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:03,440 Amen. 1187 01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:04,440 Amen. 1188 01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:05,920 Thank you folks for joining us today. 1189 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:10,000 It's been Pastor Jimmy Pruitt with Jenny McCombs. 1190 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,480 I have to say my favorite J6er. 1191 01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:12,480 Thank you. 1192 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:17,560 I know a few now, but you definitely got a big place in my heart and Annette's. 1193 01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:21,040 And family, I want to invite you to go to livingupandandownworld.com. 1194 01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,980 You can get all things related to us, messages online. 1195 01:08:24,980 --> 01:08:27,800 You can get our daily devotional under blog there. 1196 01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:31,000 And you can sign up for our newsletter that we send out just to, we don't want to end 1197 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,000 a date your inbox. 1198 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:36,000 We just want to let you know that something's coming and we've got another podcast on the 1199 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:37,000 way. 1200 01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,000 So again, thank you for listening. 1201 01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:39,000 We love you and we appreciate you. 1202 01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,000 We're here for you. 1203 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,000 Keep living up in a down world. 1204 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,000 Jenny, thank you so much. 1205 01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:43,000 I see those tears, but I think they're tears of joy right now. 1206 01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:44,000 Yes, sir. 1207 01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:45,000 Thank you. 1208 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,000 And tears of gratitude. 1209 01:08:46,000 --> 01:09:08,960 God bless you.