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Don't get down when you're seeing the worst, cause the last will be the first.

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What a day I'm telling you, all things will be new.

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Living up in a down world.

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Yeah we're living, yeah we're living, living up in a down world.

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This is Jimmy Annanette and we are with Mr. Chevy who has not been feeling so good lately.

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No he hasn't, but I just saw you play the air guitar.

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I was rocking the air guitar.

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You were playing the air guitar.

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It was a Gibson SG air guitar.

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See that SG right there hanging behind you?

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That cost an arm and a leg?

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I traded for that one, just FYI, didn't cost a dime.

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But.

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What a deal.

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Yeah right.

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I love that guitar though.

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It's got a little Angus Young vibe.

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Poor Chevy.

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Mr. Chevy's been sick, so we had him in puppy jail all last week.

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And then what happened?

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We picked him up on Sunday.

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Yeah we picked him up on Sunday from boarding.

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He was being boarded and he has been throwing up, lethargic, laying around, sleeping so soundly that I'm running around doing things and he's not even paying attention.

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He's not him at all.

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However, he made the turn today.

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We were worried about him this afternoon, this evening.

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We were worried.

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We were like if he doesn't eat or drink anything today, we're going to have to call and maybe take him in, probably get an IV because he's got to be dehydrated.

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I tried to give him ice and he wouldn't even take it.

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He's doing better though.

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He made a turn.

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He started, he finally ate and drank and I put in some fresh RO water and he seemed to like that.

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He's a sweet boy.

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He missed us.

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So we were gone last week.

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We had a big week last week.

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But you know the same thing happened to Tina and Adam when they went away.

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Remember when they went to Italy?

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Throwing up, lethargic.

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That was really bothering me.

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Never does that.

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And we have to do it again in two weeks.

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It means we can never leave again.

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To cancel our anniversary trip.

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No we're not canceling it.

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To Colorado.

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We do because he's such a good boy.

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It would cause her to regress.

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Because she's regressed so much.

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I love her too.

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So anyway he's pretty chill right now.

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He's looking very content.

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So we want to welcome you to our show.

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This is Jimmy and Annette and we are living up in a down world.

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It's the name of our show and we're on episode number 43.

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I never know.

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We are continuing.

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The weeks are flying by.

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Staying the course.

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Time is flying by.

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We're talking about Christmas services and staff meeting today.

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We're planning our Christmas service.

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I'm going what?

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And then a week later, two weeks later we start three services because we're growing

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So we pastor a church called Bridge Church in Fredericksburg, Texas.

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You can find us online at bridgefbg.com.

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Come check us out.

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We have our full services on there.

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Sermons, messages, everything is on the website.

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We'd love to have you just check it out.

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We do our services live on Sunday.

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We're doing two services currently, but we are out of room.

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We're over capacity right now in our two services.

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So we're going to be going to three services January 7th.

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So when we just made that decision today, it's a big decision.

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Our board of directors was cheering us on.

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They were like, y'all have to go to three services.

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So we've got to make room for more.

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But that means we have to find volunteers, more volunteers.

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It's a lot of work.

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It's like having three events every single week that you're planning.

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Back to back to back.

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And I don't know how you're going to do it.

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I'm so fired up.

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Well, I worry about you because when you preach your first sermon

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and then the second service comes, I'm like, how does he remember

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what he said before or if he didn't?

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What do you do if you go, oh, wait, are you saying?

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Who knows what the third service will be?

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It'll be like a surprise.

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I don't know if I could do that.

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I'm super excited about it because our heart is to reach people

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with the gospel of Jesus Christ, period.

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We're reaching people.

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People are getting saved.

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People are coming back to faith who maybe had lost their faith

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or gone through just life happened.

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And then we've got a lot of people that are moving into our community.

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So Fredericksburg, Texas, we're in the heart of the Texas Hill country.

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It's wine country out here.

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It's the second largest wine industry in America just behind Napa Valley.

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We'll probably pass Napa Valley, not too distant future.

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So it's a huge industry out here.

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$2 billion a year industry.

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I bet it's more than that.

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It probably is now.

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That was eight years ago when I heard that stat.

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But we've lived here eight years.

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But we have people moving here from all over, California, both the coasts.

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I wonder why.

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Don't bring your politics.

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I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that.

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I know.

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America.

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So anyway, our little town's growing and our church is just blowing up

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with new people from all over the place.

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People coming from the Dallas area.

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It's wild.

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But it's fun too because every week it's just who's going to be there

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and are we going to have room?

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Our children's ministry is out of room.

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If you're going to have problems in a church, those are the kind of problems

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Oh, there's too many people.

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We're not going to turn people away.

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We're going to make room.

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That's what we're doing.

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The whole idea is to make room.

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It's not because our goal is to grow a big church.

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We want to grow big people, big followers of Jesus who love Him.

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God wants to grow a big church because He wants people in church.

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He wants people serving Him.

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He wants to bless people.

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He wants to meet the needs of people.

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He wants to give people hope.

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It's beautiful, isn't it?

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By the way, you're beautiful.

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Oh, you're so sweet.

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We've had a good day.

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We've had a great day.

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This is funny.

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We had a staff meeting this morning and we are going,

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we had a great day because we love our staff.

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We love our staff.

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We have a great team.

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I get excited to go to work on Tuesdays.

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It's one of my favorite days.

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For that reason.

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Because it's really the only time we see all of them at one time.

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Everybody has their own little area that they're in

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and then he brings the heat with the stuff.

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We just ask for people to share from their different areas.

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It was one testimony after another of what God is up to.

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The way we like to say it around here,

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I've been saying this for a long time.

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Aslan is on the move.

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The lion being Jesus.

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Aslan is on the move.

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Jesus is on the move.

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We're believing God for revival and spiritual awakening.

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We have such an amazing church,

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which brings me to the topic we're going to talk about.

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But wait, before we do that,

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I want to catch up on a couple of things.

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First of all, our trip out to California.

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That was interesting.

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We went out to Bethel Church in Redding, California.

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We love Pastor Bill Johnson.

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We've just learned from a distance from him.

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He's a very wise teacher.

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But we also know that the church there is very, very expressive.

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A lot more than any church I've ever been to.

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Than we've ever been to.

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I don't even know what words to use,

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because I don't want to put it down at all.

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There's nothing to put down.

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It's just not our tribe.

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It's their culture, and that was what we realized very quickly.

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It's just not our tribe.

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We don't worship like that.

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We believe that the Holy Spirit is alive and active and involved.

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We believe the God who spoke still speaks.

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The God who healed still heals.

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We believe the same things.

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The Germans aren't exactly expressive people,

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so we have a lot of Lutherans in our church.

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and Baptists, and a lot of different folks that come to our church,

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and then people who come from all over.

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That would be a hard environment for them to be in.

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It was hard for us.

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So much so that we left the conference early.

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We left early.

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We felt like we got what we went for.

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a great book on evangelism and taking Jesus into culture.

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brought to me the word we needed to hear.

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taking Jesus into culture, and not being weird.

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It was perfect.

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Perfect for that environment.

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Everything else was weird from there on.

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We're just being honest.

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Some people might come to our church and go,

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y'all are weird.

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We'll go, yeah, we probably are.

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Because every church has a different culture,

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and so we recognize that.

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Anyway, we got what we felt like we were supposed to get,

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and then we came back a day early, actually.

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Then we had a great weekend at the bridge.

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Oh my gosh, full capacity.

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Man, God has lands on the move.

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He's showing up.

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That's good.

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It was a great weekend.

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But the trip was good because when you and I go away together,

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whether it's a working trip or we have an anniversary trip coming up,

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31st anniversary, woohoo.

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In November, it would be the weekend of Thanksgiving.

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We're going out to Pagosa Springs, Colorado.

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We were blessed, blessed, blessed by a church member

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to gift us that for kind of pastor appreciation month,

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which is October.

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We're going to go out there and get to spend a few days

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in the mountains in a cabin, and just so looking forward to that.

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Just by ourselves, just you and me.

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I know.

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I can't wait.

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Did Tina ask you what are you going to do?

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Was it Tina that asked you that?

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Yes, Tina said, well, what are you all going to do?

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And I said, nothing.

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I'm so happy that we don't have to get up and go to an event

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or a conference.

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We can sleep as long as we want.

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We can stay in bed as long as we want.

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We can go out to eat.

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We can cook at home.

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We can go over to Durango, Colorado.

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It's just down the road from Pagosa.

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It's just going to be great.

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I want no agenda.

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I don't want an organized trip.

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I used to have to organize every trip.

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No more.

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I'm done.

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I have outgrown that.

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I want no agenda.

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It reminds me of our sabbatical.

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It's kind of like it's a short micro sabbatical of just getting

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away and just having no agenda, but just to enjoy and be with God

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and be with each other.

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Anyway, and we won't do a show that week unless we do one

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previous to Leaving Town.

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We'll see how it goes.

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We may actually have to skip one, but I'm not going to take

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our gear because I think the internet out there is probably

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very sketchy.

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Oh, yeah, definitely.

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I don't even think it's out in the boonies, out in the mountains.

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Anyway, that's coming up.

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Oh, we had such a wonderful, we had a great day on Sunday at the

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church, and then Sunday afternoon we just went and hung out with

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our besties.

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No, we didn't.

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No, Monday.

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Monday.

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I am so messed up.

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Yes, you are.

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We didn't go anywhere on Sunday.

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What day is this, by the way?

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Yes, we went.

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You're right.

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We hung out with Adam and Tina, and we always have a great time.

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We try to get together at least once a week.

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Yeah.

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At least.

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Get hang time either at the house.

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We went out to this amazing, beautiful winery called Augusta

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Vins.

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It's so beautiful.

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It's just beautiful.

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I mean, you go out there and you feel like you're in another

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world.

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Yes.

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It's gorgeous.

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It doesn't feel like you're in Texas.

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Yeah, it feels like Napa or something.

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I mean, it's just really beautiful.

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Beautiful, you're surrounded by large vineyards, and it's just amazing.

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That's one of our, it's become one of our, we call it the club, our club.

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But that's become a favorite.

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So that's, is that what Tina's talking about?

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Unless I'm missing it.

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Okay.

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Because her newsletter, she's talking about the club, and then we were

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joking about our club, the club.

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Oh, so.

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Because they're going to turn the whole main part into the clubhouse, only

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for members.

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Oh, okay.

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And then other people will be in the other new building, their

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building.

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That's what that is.

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That's what that is.

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Okay.

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So that.

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Our audience does not know what we're talking about.

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We're talking, it's a beautiful winery here in the Texas Hill Country that we became

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members of a while back.

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And then we were thinking, no, maybe we shouldn't, because we've basically stopped

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drinking.

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Yes.

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And we didn't stop drinking for moral issues or anything like that.

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It's because.

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Because of carnivore.

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Carnivore, we are on the, it's not even a diet.

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It's just the way we eat now.

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I don't even call it a diet anymore, but some call it carnivore diet, but it's not.

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It's just the way we eat.

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And so, I mean, I rocked at least 22, 24 ounces of steak tonight.

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Yeah.

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Two big New York strips.

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Oh my gosh.

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Unbelievable.

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I'm happy right now.

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But we have to, when we became a member in June, I believe it, or July, we have to stay

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a member for a year.

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So we still have to attend, I mean, get our wine.

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So we're just like, oh, we'll give a lot of these away.

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We have a big stash.

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So for people that love wine.

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Yeah.

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And like I said, it's not an issue.

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It's just, it's for our health and what we're trying to do, our health goals.

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And we're in great health, actually.

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You got your CAC number.

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Oh my goodness.

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Which is a calcium.

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It has to do with heart.

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It's plaque.

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It determines if you have plaque in the heart.

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The scale is zero to what?

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Well, I mean, it can go up to over 500.

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Right.

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And what did you get?

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Zero.

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Perfect score.

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Girl, you're a rock star.

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I prayed.

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I mean, because I didn't, what the test does was it determines if you're at risk for heart

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disease.

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I was really more interested in you because your mother passed away at 45 of heart disease.

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Your grandfather, it was in your family.

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I didn't have it in my family, but with this carnivore diet, you know, people are like,

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you know, you're going to die because you're eating so much meat, which is, aren't you

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worried about having a heart attack?

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I'm like, no, I'm not getting a heart attack.

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We're preventing it.

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And I thought, I'm going to prove this.

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And Dr. Berry said, you know, you should get all these different labs done.

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All of mine were good.

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And one of the labs he suggested is a CAC test, 119 bucks.

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So it was worth it.

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And I prayed.

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I said, Lord, please let this be a zero, which means I have zero plaque in my heart.

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That's the perfect score.

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I mean, it didn't get any better than that.

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No.

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That is heart healthiest.

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She sent me the report, she was like, this is so good.

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I'm super proud.

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I'm super proud.

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She said, if you're going to do that, I want to see what the results are.

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Cause I have a lot of people on carnivore and I'm curious.

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A lot of our friends are on carnivore.

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Our son's on carnivore.

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Well, you know, to me, this is why going to three services is the perfect timing because

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of the energy we've had because of carnivore.

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I've got the stamina.

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I feel good.

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Two services is easy now.

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And so I wanted to say, we are on day 126 of Ketovor.

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Because we started with keto.

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But today is day 100 of carnivore.

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So 126 days.

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It's a milestone.

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Yeah.

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It's a milestone day.

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So cheers.

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What have you got in your wine glass there?

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I've got water with a little bit of lemon in it.

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It's more keto than carnivore.

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I'm rocking a Perrier with lime.

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Yes.

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And our new love when we go out to eat steaks is club soda with lime.

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Oh my gosh.

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That's like a treat.

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Which most carnivores wouldn't do the lime thing, but you know, we're not 100%.

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It's trace amount stuff.

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So anyway, so we had a great time with Adam and Tina.

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I was talking to Tina because she volunteers at the church on Tuesday.

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So while we're doing our staff meeting, Tina comes up to the church.

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Answer the phone that never rings.

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Hallelujah.

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We don't want our phone to ring.

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We want people to call their connect group leaders and minister to one another and not

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always calling us.

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But we did have a lot of people coming in and out of the church.

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Yeah, a lot of traffic.

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But so she does that on Tuesdays.

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That's such a big blessing for her, for us, for her to do that.

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And so big thanks, Tina.

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You're such a blessing and such a great friend.

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And we were just talking and I went in and hugged her neck and she said, I just love

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it when we hang out because we could just be so ourselves with each other.

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Exactly.

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And we are all just like, you know, rip me open, let me bleed out.

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I mean, we're just real that way.

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And that's what real friendship is.

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And so we love Adam and Tina Curry.

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I just want to I want to promote them for a moment and just say, you need to listen

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to No Agenda.

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If you want to know what's really going on in the world and in the world and politics,

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Adam the Podfather, Curry and John C. Dvorak, they have hosted a show two days a week, three

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hours a show.

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It's unbelievable amount of content, but they do media deconstruction and man, they deconstruct

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everything you think the news is telling you that you believe is true and true lies.

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So anyway, it's called No Agenda.

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And we just you can find that easily.

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You know, any platform type in No Agenda and it'll come up.

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They have their own website as well.

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You just type in No Agenda and you can get right to it.

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And then Adam and Tina have a podcast called Curry and the Keeper.

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And that's that's one of our faves.

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We listen to that.

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They do that tomorrow night.

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And check them out.

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Curry and the Keeper.

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You've never you'll laugh.

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Their whole premise used to be around just the wine.

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That's true.

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And now it's it's leaning more towards God and what their journey what their journey

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is.

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And it is an amazing, amazing to listen to.

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And we get to be a part of that.

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We're like on the 50 yard line.

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We never get to be part of a journey like we're not in the cheap seats.

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We're literally out on the playing field with them.

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It's so joyful.

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And it's just fun seeing Adam being able to attend church on Sunday mornings.

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He hasn't for years because he wasn't a Christian, so he didn't go to church.

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And then when he became a Christian a couple of years, a year and a half ago, he still

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he does his No Agenda show on for what?

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16 years on Sunday.

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So now this he's had three weeks in a row with us getting up early.

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Yeah, he's he's sacrificing to be there because he felt like the Lord said, Can you sacrifice

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to come?

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You need to be with the body of Christ.

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Speaking.

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Wow.

523
00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:25,200
I love it.

524
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,160
It's just so fun seeing my best friend, seeing all my best friends.

525
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,500
I get to see Adam and Tina, my two best friends, and you're my real way best friend.

526
00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:39,080
So to have you guys there and need to bring Chevy some I wish we could.

527
00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:40,080
Other people brought their dogs.

528
00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,320
Oh, I know on the front row.

529
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,120
That's all I'm going to say about that.

530
00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:46,400
So anyway, we had a great time with them and just again, just being friends.

531
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,360
And so let's talk about our topic today because we wanted to go.

532
00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:54,520
We wanted to talk to you and share and just have a conversation about something that was

533
00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,420
very painful for us.

534
00:19:57,420 --> 00:19:58,560
Very heart wrenching.

535
00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:03,280
Because a lot of people go through what we're going to talk about or have gone through it.

536
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,400
And maybe they didn't.

537
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:05,400
It didn't end well.

538
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:06,400
Yeah.

539
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:13,440
Maybe it did, but maybe they have to learn some lessons from it because a lot of times

540
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,760
we repeat things that happen in our life.

541
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,520
And I feel like this is going to help some people.

542
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:22,520
I think so.

543
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:23,520
Let me frame it.

544
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,360
I can frame it in the way of a question.

545
00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:26,420
And here's the question.

546
00:20:26,420 --> 00:20:33,000
What do you do when you're doing all the right things and it all falls apart?

547
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,520
Because you think, so maybe I'm not doing all the right things.

548
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:44,160
Or we get mad at God because we have a transactional relationship or we're saying, you know, because

549
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,360
I did all these good things, then you should have blessed me with all an easy road.

550
00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:51,120
Especially if you're doing them all in the name of God.

551
00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:52,120
Yes.

552
00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:57,720
So when you have a transactional faith, it is so dangerous and it's so not the Bible.

553
00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:58,960
There's no transaction here.

554
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,520
I mean, Jesus is Lord and God is the King of Kings, the President of Presidents and

555
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:04,520
Governor of Governors.

556
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,720
I mean, he's the ruler of all.

557
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,160
And so there's not a transactional thing here.

558
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,480
It's not, I'll do this if you do that.

559
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,000
I mean, that's transactional.

560
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,800
So when you're doing all the right things and it all falls apart, what do you do?

561
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,380
How do you handle it?

562
00:21:19,380 --> 00:21:21,640
And we had that happen to us.

563
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,080
Where we pretty much lost everything.

564
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,240
We did lose everything.

565
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:26,240
We lost our home.

566
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,320
I had to sell one of our two cars.

567
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,000
We literally, we lost our retirement part of it.

568
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,520
No, all of it.

569
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:36,520
Okay, thanks.

570
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:37,520
We lost all of it.

571
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:38,520
That's encouraging.

572
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:39,520
So see how we're…

573
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:40,520
No, that's not true.

574
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,400
We had to pay off bills to live with our retirement.

575
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,480
But yeah, basically we didn't, we had to start all over just a few years ago.

576
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:49,480
Rebuild.

577
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,280
At our age, which there's no way you can rebuild.

578
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,280
So what happened was we found ourselves unemployed.

579
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,800
I was on staff at a church.

580
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:02,680
I'm going to not, I'm not going to talk about who that was because that doesn't matter.

581
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:08,900
But the circumstances came around where I called out the senior pastor on a heresy.

582
00:22:08,900 --> 00:22:13,080
We were actually supposed to take over the church.

583
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,320
We had gone to do some missions.

584
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,920
So we moved our family from Nashville back to Texas.

585
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:17,920
Don't say where it is.

586
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:18,920
Not to Texas.

587
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:19,920
Okay.

588
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:20,920
Back to Texas.

589
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:26,440
So we were, I was the associate pastor but was going to become the senior pastor.

590
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:27,440
That was the deal.

591
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,400
That was the whole thing.

592
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,280
And we were going to transition into that.

593
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,800
And then things started to change once we got there.

594
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,760
The church started to grow.

595
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,320
You and I were working hard.

596
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,120
You were working with children's ministry.

597
00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:44,280
I was overseeing youth ministry and everything, worship, the whole thing.

598
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,000
And basically running the church.

599
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,040
And then the leader liked that arrangement and he changed his mind.

600
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,840
He decided that he wanted to keep that arrangement.

601
00:22:52,840 --> 00:23:00,160
Yet we had, you had been a senior pastor for years and we had only come as an associate

602
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:05,200
pastor just in the interim so that the church could get to know you and then he could set

603
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,200
you in as a pastor.

604
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,520
So what had happened was a lot of people started gravitating towards us because they thought

605
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,320
we were going to be the senior pastors too.

606
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,720
And he just, man, he just did a flip flop on us.

607
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,760
But he was, he had some heresy in his teaching.

608
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:23,080
He had some heretical stuff that I had to address because as a pastor…

609
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,880
Who's been trained.

610
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:30,600
And a shepherd who's here to shepherd the sheep and protect the sheep, if there's something

611
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,200
that's heretical, and you see it all through the New Testament in the letters, Paul combating

612
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,080
those who are heretical.

613
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:42,040
And so I simply asked for an audience with him to actually sit down and let's open

614
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,560
the Bible and let's present our views.

615
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:49,600
And I have a, and I was going to debunk what he was saying, which was off.

616
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,080
Which if someone did that with you and your eyes were open and you realized, oh, I would

617
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,080
repent.

618
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,080
You would repent and go, oh my goodness.

619
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,080
Oh my gosh.

620
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,520
Thank you for bringing that to the light.

621
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,120
And I had a blind spot there.

622
00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:01,120
So thank you.

623
00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:02,120
Exactly.

624
00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:06,680
And instead he got angry and fired me without board approval, without anything.

625
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:12,840
I'm just totally overwrote everything simply because I called him out.

626
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,280
And that sent us, I'll never forget.

627
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,880
I was driving home because I left after he fired me.

628
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,760
I was driving home and I called you and I said, Hey, I'm on my way home.

629
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,360
And you're like, what are you doing coming home?

630
00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:27,360
And I said, well, I just lost my job.

631
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:28,360
And you didn't know.

632
00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:29,480
You said, we just got fired.

633
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:30,480
We just got fired.

634
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:31,480
Cause you were on staff too.

635
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:32,480
We were both on staff.

636
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,480
So it wasn't just you.

637
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:34,480
It was both of us.

638
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,560
I said, we just got fired.

639
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,040
And what did it feel like when you heard those words?

640
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:49,560
I was so angry because I think I was shocked that this could happen.

641
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:54,660
I wasn't, I was never angry with God, but I questioned God.

642
00:24:54,660 --> 00:24:55,760
Why did this happen?

643
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,220
Why did you let this happen?

644
00:24:58,220 --> 00:25:01,240
Because we were coming in the right spirit.

645
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,920
You never approach anyone in the wrong spirit.

646
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,520
You always sat down to talk with him.

647
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,120
I did it gently because spirit of appeal.

648
00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:10,400
Let me help you with this.

649
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:11,760
Not accusation, but appeal.

650
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:12,760
You did not.

651
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,080
I know you.

652
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:23,800
And so I was just like, wow, now I know how Joseph felt when he got accused of raping

653
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:29,040
Potiphar's wife.

654
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,260
And yet he was running away from her.

655
00:25:31,260 --> 00:25:36,840
She grabbed his jacket, his cloak, and then used that to tell her husband.

656
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:42,160
Because he refused to have sex with her because she was the one giving the ultimatum.

657
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,440
That's in the Bible.

658
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,960
But he ended up...

659
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:46,960
He got accused.

660
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:47,960
Falsely accused.

661
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,200
He got accused and thrown in jail.

662
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,080
And yet how did he handle it?

663
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:59,400
Oh boy, did he handle it with grace and honor.

664
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,760
So we got sent into a tailspin.

665
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:07,320
And to make matters worse, we knew that we had to move.

666
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,720
We had to make a change.

667
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:10,720
And we weren't sure what we were going to do.

668
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,160
And we had a daughter who just started junior high.

669
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,160
Yeah.

670
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,480
And a daughter in junior high.

671
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,920
Our other kids were grown and out of the house.

672
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,520
And so we had her to think about...

673
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,600
We just brought her to a new school, knew everything, and her life was not going great

674
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,380
at the time.

675
00:26:28,380 --> 00:26:30,240
And everything came apart.

676
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,240
Everything.

677
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,560
Everything that could break, broke.

678
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:42,960
I mean, if you'll remember this, we were renting a house and planning on buying a house at

679
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:43,960
some point.

680
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,640
We literally did a two-year lease.

681
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,640
Did a two-year lease because we thought we were there from now on.

682
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:54,320
And we had to call our landlord and break our lease.

683
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,080
And he said, look...

684
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,080
And he was so gracious.

685
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,080
He was Jewish.

686
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,080
Jewish.

687
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,080
And I had a great relationship.

688
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,080
He knew I was a pastor and a Christian.

689
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,800
I knew he was Jewish and Orthodox.

690
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,320
And we had a wonderful exchange.

691
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,880
And I had to explain, you know, this is something we didn't see coming.

692
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,240
He was willing to work with us and help us the best he could.

693
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,520
However, he said, I've got to put it back on the market.

694
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:17,960
And he said, so when are you all going to move?

695
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,400
And I said, we don't know yet.

696
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,320
We don't even know where we're going to go.

697
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,520
And so he said, well, I'm going to go ahead and put it on the market and see what happens.

698
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,360
And it rented immediately.

699
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:30,520
What happened was, this was so crazy, is I had left...

700
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:35,800
We had someone living with us too, someone who had moved to the area to work in the church

701
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,080
with us.

702
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,160
And we had to tell her.

703
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,100
And so her and I had left to go grocery shopping or do something.

704
00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:47,560
And when we came back, we noticed people were in our house.

705
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,560
And usually they call.

706
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:49,560
Did they call you?

707
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:50,560
Did the realtor?

708
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:51,560
I don't think so.

709
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,040
I think they forgot to contact us.

710
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,920
I know you drove up and they were showing the house.

711
00:27:54,920 --> 00:28:01,520
They were showing the house and the gentleman saw the look on my face when I walked in and

712
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,760
it was a man that was looking at the house for his family.

713
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:11,080
And I just burst out in tears because I saw him signing the lease.

714
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,080
And I just lost it.

715
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,080
Here we are.

716
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,080
We've lost our job.

717
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,080
And now we've lost our house.

718
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,080
Now we're homeless.

719
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,080
What are we going to do?

720
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,320
And it just...

721
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,560
So I'll never forget that gentleman when he was walking out the door, he asked for me

722
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:31,440
and I walked out there and he said, Pam, I can tell that you and your husband are Christians

723
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,180
because you have scripture written all over this place.

724
00:28:36,180 --> 00:28:38,100
And he said, what is going on?

725
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:39,500
And I let him know.

726
00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:42,280
And I'll never forget him saying, you know what?

727
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,480
I have an answer for you.

728
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,480
And he was a godly man.

729
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,320
I remember this mind-bending.

730
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,480
And I've never met him before, don't know anything about him.

731
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,400
And he said, I have an RV in storage.

732
00:28:54,400 --> 00:29:00,480
And if you need a place before you figure out where you're going, I'll go put that RV

733
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,360
on any RV...

734
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,680
Yeah, you pick the RV part and I'll go park it and set it up.

735
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,720
You pick the part and I will put it wherever you want.

736
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,160
And you can have it as long as you need it.

737
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,160
And you weren't there.

738
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,160
It was just me.

739
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,160
And I was just like, what?

740
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,200
So he gave me his card or whatever.

741
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,200
You came home.

742
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,440
I told you and you're like, what?

743
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,440
Okay, that's creepy.

744
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:20,920
We don't even know this guy.

745
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:21,920
Well, I mean, yeah.

746
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:28,720
But we decided to take a chance and we called him and his whole family came and we took

747
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:29,720
him up on it.

748
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,320
And we ended up living in an RV for what?

749
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,320
Three months?

750
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,320
Yes.

751
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,320
I was there for three years.

752
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,560
I ended up going back, going to Nashville for a little bit.

753
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,560
And it was beautiful.

754
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:39,560
It was one of those...

755
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,560
I didn't know if this was going to be like a little...

756
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,940
It's like a $200,000 huge RV.

757
00:29:43,940 --> 00:29:47,260
This was a huge, massive RV.

758
00:29:47,260 --> 00:29:49,840
And so he set us up and I started...

759
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,040
I mean, that's a God thing right there.

760
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,160
Oh, it was really...

761
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,160
Man, God came to the rescue.

762
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,680
We were still devastated though.

763
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,820
We lost everything.

764
00:30:00,820 --> 00:30:02,200
And two, we were humiliated.

765
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,120
It was just so humiliating.

766
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:09,680
The only time I got fired was from a job in high school because I wanted to play football.

767
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,160
And the dude said, you can't play football and work here because it's going to interfere.

768
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,800
He said, I'm going to have to let you go.

769
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:15,800
It devastated me.

770
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,640
You could have just stuck a knife in my heart.

771
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,640
This was a lot more...

772
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,840
So here I am as an adult getting fired.

773
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,080
And having a young person...

774
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,320
And the sad thing is, is Faith had just started this new school.

775
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,720
We'd only been there a few months.

776
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,040
And she went to a counselor and told them we were homeless.

777
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,040
I know.

778
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,040
So they thought, well, do you need to get up?

779
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,080
They called us and said that your daughter said you are homeless.

780
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,080
Do you all need meal plans?

781
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,080
You know, do you all need...

782
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,080
It was like...

783
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,080
We're like, no.

784
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,880
Our whole world just fell apart.

785
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:49,880
I had to explain the situation and I said, we can pay for her meals.

786
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:50,880
We're just...

787
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:51,880
Luckily, she was about...

788
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,920
School was going to be out in a month or so.

789
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,920
And so...

790
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,680
So let's spare the details.

791
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,960
Let's get to the crux of what happened.

792
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:06,600
So we now had a reason and an opportunity to be angry and offended.

793
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,880
We could have...

794
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:09,880
We could have...

795
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,640
Man, we could have filed a lawsuit on this thing.

796
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,920
We had a case and we had people come alongside us who said, you actually have a case.

797
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,400
This is wrong.

798
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,800
The way this was handled, this is not right.

799
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,600
And we made a decision early on that we were going to walk in honor.

800
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,760
Oh man, that was tough.

801
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:36,400
Because everything in your flesh, everything in your body and people around you want you

802
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:37,840
to validate yourself.

803
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:38,840
Right.

804
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:46,960
And when we get hurt, when we get ripped off, when we get fired unjustly, and because we

805
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,560
were doing the right things, we were standing for the right things and then we still lost

806
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,260
everything.

807
00:31:52,260 --> 00:31:55,120
And then we lost everything else and I had to get rid of your car.

808
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,120
We were down to one car.

809
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,120
I mean, we were just...

810
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,480
It was like, what else is...

811
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,020
We had to put everything in storage.

812
00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:02,280
Our whole house was in storage.

813
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,960
And we could have stayed in that RV forever, but we were like...

814
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:06,960
We were lonely.

815
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,400
We were in a place where none of the rest of our family...

816
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:10,400
It's like being in a foreign country.

817
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,400
We were like...

818
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,440
So I had to go to Nashville.

819
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:18,160
I had a friend who was really sick and dying and I wanted to see her.

820
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,920
And that's where my daughter and son-in-law were and grandkids.

821
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:28,180
And I came home or I called you and I said, I think if we have a chance to move anywhere

822
00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:32,640
in the world right now, we need to be close to family and let's move to Nashville.

823
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,640
And so you and Alicia came back and packed up the...

824
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,680
No, we went and stayed...

825
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:40,680
No.

826
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:41,680
We stayed.

827
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,680
We went to Arkansas first and stayed.

828
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,240
Yeah, Pastor Rick and Cindy McClure.

829
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,240
We did.

830
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,240
They offered us a basement.

831
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,080
They had this cool basement apartment in Malvern, Arkansas.

832
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,880
And they said, we get it.

833
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:53,880
This happened to them.

834
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,580
It was the very same thing.

835
00:32:55,580 --> 00:32:57,880
And they had people who came around them and helped them.

836
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,260
And so they came around us.

837
00:32:59,260 --> 00:33:00,680
They paid it forward.

838
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,560
So we stayed with them for about a month.

839
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,840
And then I went to Nashville and we all came and packed up.

840
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:06,840
And I followed you back up to Nashville.

841
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,680
And I said, let's just move to Nashville.

842
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,440
But we couldn't get a place because we didn't know where we were going to land.

843
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,920
I was putting out resumes.

844
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,040
How many resumes did I send out?

845
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,400
We counted and it was over 500 resumes.

846
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,400
You counted.

847
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,840
I quit counting about 200 because I was done.

848
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:22,840
Well, I'm the numbers person.

849
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:23,840
I'm into counting, remember?

850
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:24,840
I was so devastated.

851
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,660
It was devastating because you got a lot of...

852
00:33:28,660 --> 00:33:29,660
Dear John letters.

853
00:33:29,660 --> 00:33:31,160
Dear John letters or nothing at all.

854
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,160
Yeah.

855
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,920
Or we would get down to about what?

856
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,280
Four to six churches and it would be between you and the young guy.

857
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,680
And they always chose the young guy.

858
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,680
Yeah.

859
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:43,760
So we had a lot of...

860
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,880
We dealt with one disappointment.

861
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,560
It was a blow after a blow after a blow.

862
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,120
But we never cursed God.

863
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,040
No, we never got mad at God.

864
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,040
No.

865
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,400
Because I never thought it was God.

866
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,880
I thought these are people.

867
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:56,880
Yeah.

868
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:57,880
What started this.

869
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:58,880
But people do.

870
00:33:58,880 --> 00:33:59,880
They do.

871
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:00,880
Or they get mad at the church.

872
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:01,880
And this wasn't the church either.

873
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:02,880
No.

874
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:03,880
This drew us.

875
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,200
We had to go find a church where we could heal.

876
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,200
Exactly.

877
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,560
And we weren't ready to go back in the ministry.

878
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:16,040
I'm glad God did not let us get a job when...

879
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,960
Especially there was one particular one that wanted us.

880
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,960
I think it was up North Ohio or somewhere.

881
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,440
And they were begging us to come.

882
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,440
Remember?

883
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,440
They called us and just said, please come.

884
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,840
And I did not feel right about it.

885
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:28,840
Man, thank you.

886
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,320
But it's not our time.

887
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,320
It's not.

888
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:37,600
So we were 11 months unemployed, which is just mind bending.

889
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,800
And the only reason why I was unemployed is because I was doing all the resume work and

890
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,040
getting all these semi offers.

891
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,720
So I kept getting strung along like, oh, this one's going to happen.

892
00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:48,720
Oh, this one.

893
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:50,920
And then it would be one let down, one disappointment.

894
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:51,920
After another.

895
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,640
So it strung us along for months where we kept thinking, oh, we're going to end up in

896
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:56,640
Georgia.

897
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:57,640
We're going to end up in Idaho.

898
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:58,640
We're going to end up out in Washington.

899
00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:59,640
Or Hawaii.

900
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,640
Or Hawaii.

901
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,000
And then there was another one that we got down to the wire with.

902
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:08,080
So we kept all these opportunities seemed to be dangling in front of us.

903
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,880
And then they would all go away at the last second.

904
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,040
And so it was let down after let down, rejection after rejection.

905
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,040
And I spent hours and hours.

906
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,680
And we ended up living with friends or family.

907
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:25,240
We went back and forth for that solid 11 months.

908
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:31,040
It was humiliating for me as a man and a provider for my family.

909
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:37,080
And yet in the middle of that humiliation, which was my flesh, that was my pride, in

910
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,880
the middle of that, the Lord kept telling me, stay the course.

911
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,240
I got you.

912
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:43,560
I got you.

913
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:44,560
I'm here.

914
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:45,560
I haven't left you.

915
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:46,560
I haven't abandoned you.

916
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,440
I haven't forsaken you.

917
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,640
And I just kept, I remember I would tell you, I know this is the right thing.

918
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,920
I know God's going to open a door.

919
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,800
Somehow, some way, something's going to work out.

920
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,800
And I just never let go of that.

921
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,520
And I refused to be mad at God because it wasn't God.

922
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,880
And we refused to abandon the church.

923
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,000
We were at the church every time the door opened.

924
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,320
We became church junkies.

925
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,320
We did.

926
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,080
We were the best church members anybody would ever want.

927
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:20,560
And we went up for prayer every single Sunday because we needed prayer.

928
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:27,120
We found a wonderful church in Nashville, south of Franklin.

929
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,160
And it was a healing place for us.

930
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,000
Pastor Steve Berger was instrumental in that healing.

931
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:38,600
And the other staff too, the rest of the other team members were instrumental in our healing

932
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,480
and such a place where we could just come and breathe.

933
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,480
And God healed us through worship.

934
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,440
It was worship in the Word.

935
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,480
The things that we had been doing for others now was being done for us.

936
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,240
And we were receiving the healing.

937
00:36:56,240 --> 00:37:02,320
And then you ended up not going into the ministry, but you got offered a position with Dave Ramsey

938
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,800
and worked for him.

939
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,920
I ended up working back in the medical field.

940
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,240
I was working at a doctor's dentist office.

941
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:15,400
And we weren't ready to go back into the ministry.

942
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,400
And we learned a lot though being back in the workplace.

943
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,000
And a regular 8 to 5 job.

944
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,680
It made us appreciate.

945
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:22,680
It did.

946
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:23,680
It gave us perspective.

947
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:29,200
It gave us perspective because we had put so much pressure on people to be at church

948
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,520
every time the door opened, every time we have anything.

949
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,600
And we realized people can't do that.

950
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,760
The church movement we were part of was pretty legalistic and hardcore on life.

951
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,440
You need to be there, you need to sacrifice.

952
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,400
And we were in that for a number of years.

953
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:50,440
But my job was so demanding that it was all I could do to go when I could go.

954
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,440
Which we did end up going a lot.

955
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:58,160
But I just had a different perspective of what to expect from people.

956
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:04,120
But then two years, I guess we were two years into Dave Ramsey and where I worked.

957
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:09,320
And you called me one day and you said, I'm ready to put my resume out again.

958
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,360
And I was like, what?

959
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,360
And you said, I believe we need to go back to Texas.

960
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,960
And so I said, well, why don't you contact some pastors that we know in the Texas area.

961
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,760
Just put a feeler out.

962
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:28,480
Let them know that you're ready to jump back into ministry.

963
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:36,560
And all the pastors that you contact, both pastors had their positions in those churches.

964
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,400
And they both offered those positions after we interviewed.

965
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:40,400
Yes.

966
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,240
And we got two offers within three days apart.

967
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:45,480
Two great offers.

968
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,040
And we had to really say, Lord, which one?

969
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,320
And we chose the right one.

970
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:56,160
And the thing is, we would not be in this amazing church if any of that didn't happen.

971
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:01,080
So let's just talk about that for a minute because sometimes we think, my gosh, the wheels

972
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,320
have fallen off my life.

973
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,600
I'm in a place I never thought I would be.

974
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,240
This is horrible and awful.

975
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:12,380
But then you find yourself at some point where you're supposed to be.

976
00:39:12,380 --> 00:39:17,160
And had you not have gone through the valley of the shadow of death, Psalm 23, then you

977
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,280
would not have ended up.

978
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,440
And so we've talked about the connectivity of everything and connecting the dots is a

979
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:29,000
big thing with us where if that terrible thing had not have happened, we would not be in

980
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,520
the amazing place we're in now.

981
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,240
We wouldn't be doing this podcast right now.

982
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:33,240
We wouldn't be doing anything.

983
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:34,800
We wouldn't be in Fredericksburg.

984
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,280
We don't know where we would be.

985
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,720
No telling.

986
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:41,040
And so we're where we're supposed to be.

987
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,680
And part of it, I think, is because we ended up giving in to God in the middle of it to

988
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,960
say, we don't know what to do.

989
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,360
You're going to have to tell us.

990
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:51,360
You're going to have to…

991
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,920
We're in the valley of the shadow of death.

992
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,860
We're trying not to fear evil, but it's scary right now.

993
00:39:57,860 --> 00:40:04,680
And so we were real honest with God and He helped us navigate every step along the way.

994
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:10,600
And I think because we decided not to dishonor the people who had hurt us because there was

995
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:18,520
a few people and we decided to give honor instead of anger.

996
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,000
And not to say we weren't hurt.

997
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,000
Not to say…

998
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:26,720
We even called the people that hurt us and we repented to them.

999
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,840
We repented to them and released them.

1000
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,160
For our cynicism.

1001
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,160
For our…

1002
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,760
Yeah, we did.

1003
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,360
And God has restored many of those relationships.

1004
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,600
Almost all of them are completely restored.

1005
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,160
And we've even had some come preach in our church.

1006
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,160
So God…

1007
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,160
Exactly.

1008
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,160
It's so good.

1009
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,160
It all came full circle.

1010
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,800
And they're coming to our church now and going, this is amazing what you guys here

1011
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,960
in Fredericksburg, this great church.

1012
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,640
And we're like, we never would have thunk going through…

1013
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:55,640
It's not a word, honey.

1014
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,440
I know it's a terrible word, but we never would have thought that going through all

1015
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,640
that would actually be the very thing that landed us exactly where we…

1016
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,880
That's what happened with Joseph.

1017
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,840
Joseph ended up second in command in a whole nation.

1018
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:09,840
In all of Egypt.

1019
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:10,840
Yes.

1020
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:11,840
Under Pharaoh.

1021
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:12,840
Yes.

1022
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:13,840
I know.

1023
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,960
If you look, I mean, there's so many parallels in the story.

1024
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:16,960
It's uncanny.

1025
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:17,960
Totally.

1026
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:23,940
And by the way, Joseph's story is all of our story if we will surrender to the process.

1027
00:41:23,940 --> 00:41:24,940
Because it is a process.

1028
00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:29,400
And that's the thing is it involves something that we don't like very much here in the

1029
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,080
West, time, T-I-M-E, waiting.

1030
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,080
Patience.

1031
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,080
Yes.

1032
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,080
All of that.

1033
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,760
Endurance, resilience, all of that.

1034
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:45,440
But you read a scripture yesterday or Sunday that talked about God proving us, God testing

1035
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:46,440
us.

1036
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,080
Oh yeah, that He tested them in the desert.

1037
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,280
Yeah, let me pull that up.

1038
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,440
That came to my mind when we were talking about what we were going to talk about on

1039
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:59,000
the show because I really feel like God was testing us through this time.

1040
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:04,600
And are we going to deny Him and what He has for us?

1041
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:10,400
Or are we going to allow Him to take us through the test?

1042
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,720
Are we going to pass it?

1043
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:14,400
Because if you don't pass it, you have to go through it again.

1044
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,400
And here's the thing.

1045
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,600
I remember hearing a pastor say this years ago.

1046
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,240
It's kind of a familiar cliché.

1047
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:23,200
But God will take your test.

1048
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,840
And if you rightly respond to the test, He will turn your test into a testimony.

1049
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:28,840
Yes.

1050
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,240
Exodus 20 says this.

1051
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:33,880
It says, Moses said to the people, do not be afraid.

1052
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,680
So he was going to go back up onto the mountain to get the tablets from God, the Ten Commandments.

1053
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:39,900
He says, do not be afraid.

1054
00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:42,200
God has come to test you.

1055
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,080
The word test there is the word prove.

1056
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,240
And I told the story about my granddad was a cabinet maker.

1057
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:50,720
And every time he built something, a wood, and I grew up in a cabinet shop, he would

1058
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:51,960
always put pressure on it.

1059
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,400
He always put pressure on it to test it.

1060
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,760
When you're a builder, you put stress on whatever you're building.

1061
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,920
And that shows if it's worthy of passing the test.

1062
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:07,120
And so my extrapolation from that is that God puts pressure on us.

1063
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,680
He tests his work.

1064
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,080
We think the devil's attacking us.

1065
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,720
It may just be God testing us because he's building us.

1066
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:16,160
And I feel like that's what he was doing with us during that.

1067
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,160
Oh, exactly.

1068
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,440
Because it was several years.

1069
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,800
It wasn't just, you know.

1070
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:20,800
Yeah, this didn't happen overnight.

1071
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,400
This was a long, a long road.

1072
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:26,400
Long journey.

1073
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,520
And yet, coming out of it and being where we are, I'm sitting in our staff meeting

1074
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:31,520
today.

1075
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,200
I'm looking around at these beautiful people.

1076
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,320
We're hanging out with Adam and Tina yesterday, and we're sitting here with these beautiful

1077
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:41,360
friends in this beautiful place on a fall day.

1078
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:42,720
All you can have is gratitude.

1079
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:47,720
All you can say is, God, only you could have taken our broken shards and put all this back

1080
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:54,160
together again for us to be in the best place we've ever been in our lives and the happiest

1081
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,320
we've ever been in our lives.

1082
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,600
And the more in love with each other that we've ever been in our lives.

1083
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,880
Our marriage has strengthened more through that.

1084
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:06,440
You know, what was crazy is during that time where we were living with family and friends,

1085
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,880
Faith, you and I were in one bedroom, a little 10 by 10.

1086
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,920
She was on the floor all that time.

1087
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,320
On an air mattress that had a leak in it.

1088
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,320
Yes.

1089
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:23,840
So, it wasn't ideal to strengthen our marriage, our intimacy for sure.

1090
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:24,840
For sure.

1091
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:25,840
But God has a way.

1092
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,600
He has such a sense of humor.

1093
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,600
He restores things.

1094
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,600
He's a restorer.

1095
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,520
He repairs, He restores, He rescues, He delivers.

1096
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,320
But we have to stick with it.

1097
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,000
We have to have perseverance.

1098
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,000
That's it.

1099
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,000
So, I have three words I want to share.

1100
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,000
Okay.

1101
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,160
I mean, literally three words, not a long word, three.

1102
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,180
And it's this, for you listening to this and you're like, I can so relate to pain.

1103
00:44:50,180 --> 00:44:53,880
I can so relate to trauma because this was trauma for us.

1104
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,360
I can so relate to walking and unforgiveness.

1105
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:02,160
I can so relate to feeling like nothing works and every time it starts to get good, it feels

1106
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,560
like the rug gets pulled out from under me.

1107
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,880
If that's you, I've got a word for you, three words for you.

1108
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,720
Stay the course.

1109
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:11,720
Here's three more.

1110
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:13,720
Do not quit.

1111
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:14,720
Here's four.

1112
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:16,720
Do not give up.

1113
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:20,400
God has you even when you don't think He does.

1114
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,000
And it's like the old footprints in the sand poster.

1115
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,560
You know, it's like, God, there were two sets of footprints in the sand and then there were

1116
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,160
only one.

1117
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,160
Where did you go?

1118
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,120
And He said, I was carrying you.

1119
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,000
So it's a beautiful thing.

1120
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,240
He's got to, but you still, you have to do something.

1121
00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:41,160
In other words, you have to stay faithful to God.

1122
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,160
Stay committed to Him.

1123
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:48,280
You know, He wants to draw near to you, but you have to draw near to Him.

1124
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:49,280
Yeah.

1125
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,280
Good.

1126
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,960
And it works both ways.

1127
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:56,160
You can't expect God to make everything work out, but you don't have anything to do with

1128
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,120
them, but maybe every Sunday.

1129
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,800
So God wants a relationship.

1130
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:01,800
He does.

1131
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:02,800
He wants to hear from you.

1132
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,920
And so He, and He wants to give you hope.

1133
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:10,960
He wants to help you through all the daily grind that we go through.

1134
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,120
But we have to do our part too.

1135
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,080
So whatever you may be going through right now, we want to encourage you to stay the

1136
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,080
course.

1137
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,520
He's not abandoning you.

1138
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,800
He's got you.

1139
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:27,640
But I would encourage you in terms of staying the course, you've got to turn toward Him.

1140
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:28,640
Turn your face to Him.

1141
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,960
I love what the Psalm says that when we look to Him, we become radiant.

1142
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,960
Our faces are radiant.

1143
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,880
And it says, and our faces have no shame.

1144
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:43,480
And so keep your eyes on Him even in the midst of the storm, even in the midst of the valley

1145
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:48,400
of the shadow of death, even when things are breaking, when things are not working.

1146
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:55,720
Because real faith, real Bible faith is not when things are going great, I'm half faith.

1147
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:59,160
When everything's working out, oh, yay, God, He's amazing.

1148
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,080
He's blessed me with this and that.

1149
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:08,240
Real Bible faith means what Job said, though He slay me, yet will I trust Him.

1150
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:11,000
Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him.

1151
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,360
That's real faith.

1152
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,480
Real faith, when things are not working out, you say this, I know God loves me.

1153
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:17,480
I know God's good.

1154
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,160
I know He has my back.

1155
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,560
And it doesn't take faith if everything's going well.

1156
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:23,560
Oh, exactly.

1157
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,600
That's swinging in a hammock on our autumn day.

1158
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:26,600
Exactly.

1159
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:32,360
It takes faith when things aren't going so well that you still allow God to work.

1160
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:37,040
If I could just brag on ourselves a little bit, tiny bit, I think the best thing we did

1161
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:41,000
during that whole thing is that we never gave up on our call.

1162
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,920
No, because we knew that call.

1163
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:44,920
We never doubted our call to ministry.

1164
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,840
You called us to ministry.

1165
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,160
He knew this was coming.

1166
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,560
And so what were we going to do with it?

1167
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,000
I never doubted it.

1168
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,640
Not only did we not give up on it, I'd never doubted my call to what God's called me to

1169
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:05,740
do and that's to be a pastor and to bring life and hope and build bridges to people.

1170
00:48:05,740 --> 00:48:07,320
So I never let go of that.

1171
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:13,840
And so even in the midst of our most pain, our most disappointment, our most, oh my God,

1172
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:14,840
what are we going to do?

1173
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:15,840
How are we going to make a living?

1174
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:16,840
How are we going to?

1175
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,840
Will I ever get a church again?

1176
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,520
I'm going to get 500 turn downs.

1177
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:27,000
And so the key was to not quit, stay the course.

1178
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,120
Sorry, I don't want to beat that dead horse, but I know there's somebody listening.

1179
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:32,120
It's going to hear this.

1180
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,120
This is for somebody today.

1181
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,120
This is for somebody.

1182
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,200
It may be for you.

1183
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,360
And if it is, write us.

1184
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:37,360
Let us know.

1185
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,560
You can write us at livingupinadownworld.com.

1186
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,120
There's a place that you can write us.

1187
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,240
Let us know if this is your story.

1188
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:48,720
Let us know if you're in the middle of something because we will commit to pray for you because

1189
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,400
I thank God for the many people that prayed for us.

1190
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,680
Oh my goodness, we had so many people praying.

1191
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,800
People so encouraged us through that.

1192
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,480
We'd get notes and emails and texts from people saying, hey, God's got you.

1193
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:00,560
Don't give up.

1194
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,320
And I didn't look at that and go, whatever, you're doing great.

1195
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,560
No, I looked at it and went, yeah, you're right.

1196
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:06,560
Amen.

1197
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:07,560
He does have us.

1198
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:08,560
We're going to be okay.

1199
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:09,600
And you know what?

1200
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,200
We're more than okay.

1201
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,760
God has restored 20-fold.

1202
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,360
I mean, it's like unbelievable.

1203
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,800
More than we could ever imagine.

1204
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,360
And it's so, he took our test and it's now a testimony.

1205
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:23,800
He took our mess.

1206
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:24,800
Turned it into a message.

1207
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:25,800
Amen, girl.

1208
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:26,800
You preaching now.

1209
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:27,800
You're on fire.

1210
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,000
Well, hey, we love you guys.

1211
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,480
And we do know that there are a lot of people hurting right now.

1212
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,360
And there's a lot of uncertainty in the world.

1213
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,000
But here's the thing.

1214
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,280
Jesus Christ is our anchor and he is sure and he's unshakable.

1215
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:48,120
And if you need to tie yourself to that anchor, I mean, anchor off on Christ.

1216
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:49,120
He's the rock.

1217
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:56,440
And so just to encourage you, if you have maybe not been in touch with your faith from

1218
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,920
childhood, don't wait another day.

1219
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:04,540
Right now, right where you are, right where you're listening to this, make an informed

1220
00:50:04,540 --> 00:50:07,760
decision to say, I need to get back to God.

1221
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,080
All he wants is to hear from you.

1222
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,080
And to repent simply means to turn and face him.

1223
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,800
It doesn't mean to turn away from your junk.

1224
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,160
By turning and facing him, you automatically turn away from your junk.

1225
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,920
Just turn to him and let your face meet his face.

1226
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:22,920
You do that in prayer.

1227
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,480
You do that in an honest cry out saying, God, I need you.

1228
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,200
It's not working for me.

1229
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,200
I've blown it.

1230
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:31,200
I need you.

1231
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,200
I need your help.

1232
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:33,200
He'll be there.

1233
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,560
Now, he may not fix everything right away.

1234
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,000
That's the misnomer.

1235
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,600
We talk about broken promises.

1236
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,920
It took years for us to recover.

1237
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,440
But we persevered through it.

1238
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:44,440
That's right.

1239
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,280
Man, thank God for his help and people around.

1240
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,160
So we want to come around to you and help you and encourage you, even if it's a note

1241
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,480
or an email or whatever, for us to...if we see your name.

1242
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,440
In fact, I'm looking at some names right here, some shout outs I want to do that we're going

1243
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:00,440
to pray for.

1244
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:07,960
And Patrick and Robert and those who...Renee who have written in to encourage.

1245
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,000
And so we love you and we're for you.

1246
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,640
And listen, God is for you.

1247
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:13,760
He's not against you.

1248
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,000
He is for you.

1249
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,740
And you have not sinned so far.

1250
00:51:17,740 --> 00:51:22,800
And you have not gone so far out from under the grace canopy of God, the umbrella of God,

1251
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,260
that you can't come back or you wouldn't be breathing right now.

1252
00:51:26,260 --> 00:51:28,460
You wouldn't even be on this planet.

1253
00:51:28,460 --> 00:51:32,400
That means if you have a pulse, there's still a purpose and a promise.

1254
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:37,680
And God is calling you back through our story right here that no matter how hard it gets

1255
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:43,680
and how unhopeful it appears to be, he still has you.

1256
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,140
He still has you.

1257
00:51:45,140 --> 00:51:47,060
So turn to him.

1258
00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:48,060
Let's give some shout outs.

1259
00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:49,060
All right.

1260
00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:52,800
Man, I made a quick turn on that, but just know we love you.

1261
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,480
First of all, Mr. Adam, Adam the Podfather Curry sent us some satoshis.

1262
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:58,480
Again.

1263
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,520
Imagine this number, 77,700.

1264
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:01,520
I know.

1265
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:07,080
That's called a striper donation right there.

1266
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,000
And thanks for the file, Mr. Adam Curry.

1267
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,080
Love you, my brother.

1268
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,840
He wrote, I love walking down the narrow path with our friends.

1269
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:14,840
We are truly blessed.

1270
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,080
And he says, boosting is loving.

1271
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,800
And boosting is adding value.

1272
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,640
We talk about value for value here that if what we're doing means something to you and

1273
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,560
is helping and encouraging, you can send us some value.

1274
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,120
There's different ways to do that.

1275
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:30,120
You can do it through a note.

1276
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,160
You can do it through leaving a review on our website.

1277
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:38,040
You can do it by sending this link to a friend to say, hey, check this couple out and their

1278
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,040
dog.

1279
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,040
And their dog.

1280
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,040
They're kind of weird, but they're cool.

1281
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,040
What?

1282
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,960
You know what I mean?

1283
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:48,160
Because sometimes maybe our story resonates with people that even though we're pastors,

1284
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,640
we're extremely real people.

1285
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,320
We cut and bleed like everybody else and we have to navigate life just like everybody

1286
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:56,320
else.

1287
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:57,320
And that may help somebody.

1288
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,960
So one way to show value is to send our link to others and pass the good news around.

1289
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:05,800
Well, Jennifer Marshall sent us some money today through PayPal.

1290
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,760
Going through some stuff herself.

1291
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,360
And yet she sends us a gift.

1292
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:12,360
What a wonderful girl.

1293
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:13,360
We love you.

1294
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:14,360
She is wonderful.

1295
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:15,360
I even had her name right up here.

1296
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,960
She's sitting on the front row with us.

1297
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:17,960
Thank you, Jennifer.

1298
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:18,960
Yes.

1299
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:19,960
Thank you, Jennifer.

1300
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:20,960
Appreciate that today.

1301
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:27,080
I love that even as heavy as what she's going through right now, a major life crisis, she's

1302
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,220
on the front row worshiping God.

1303
00:53:29,220 --> 00:53:30,220
She is not quitting.

1304
00:53:30,220 --> 00:53:31,220
She's staying the course.

1305
00:53:31,220 --> 00:53:32,220
And she will, too.

1306
00:53:32,220 --> 00:53:33,220
I believe her.

1307
00:53:33,220 --> 00:53:34,960
She's proving what we're talking about.

1308
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:35,960
She's walking it out.

1309
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:36,960
Yes.

1310
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,060
And Jennifer, we have your back.

1311
00:53:38,060 --> 00:53:39,060
We have your front.

1312
00:53:39,060 --> 00:53:40,060
We'll hold you up.

1313
00:53:40,060 --> 00:53:41,420
We'll hold your arms up.

1314
00:53:41,420 --> 00:53:42,860
And we're not going to let you go, girl.

1315
00:53:42,860 --> 00:53:45,900
We love you and we're for you and with you.

1316
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:49,700
Got a beautiful, this is so cool, guy named Robert Ludwig.

1317
00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:53,680
He wrote, and it's a review on our Living Up in a Way.

1318
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,660
You've not heard this, so I'm going to share it with you.

1319
00:53:55,660 --> 00:53:56,880
He writes, thank you.

1320
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,680
It's very interesting what he says.

1321
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,480
I had been debating listening for a few weeks.

1322
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,480
Well, I'm glad you lost the debate.

1323
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:04,760
So I started listening.

1324
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,920
I don't know how you were debating with yourself or whatever.

1325
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:11,280
He says, I have been debating listening for a few weeks and just found ways not to.

1326
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,640
But this last weekend, I got a nudge to start listening.

1327
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,120
Where do you think that nudge came from?

1328
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:17,120
Holy Spirit.

1329
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,120
Holy Spirit.

1330
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,480
Good morning, Holy Spirit.

1331
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:28,240
He says, I have been binging as much as I can and am so far six episodes in.

1332
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:31,960
I have laughed a lot and even shed a few tears.

1333
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,360
Looking forward to listening to all the episodes.

1334
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:35,360
Thank you.

1335
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:36,360
Where's he from?

1336
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,520
It doesn't say where he's from.

1337
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:38,520
Robert, write us back.

1338
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,760
I'd love to hear some of your story.

1339
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,720
You're hearing our story, especially if you're going back to the beginning of all these.

1340
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:46,200
But we would love to hear a little bit about you.

1341
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,060
So Robert, thank you for sending a review.

1342
00:54:49,060 --> 00:54:50,920
That is very encouraging to us.

1343
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,600
And just thank you for your kind words.

1344
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,080
And again, I'm glad you lost the debate and you're listening.

1345
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,760
So anyway, I'm just joshing with you.

1346
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,380
Blessings to you.

1347
00:54:59,380 --> 00:55:04,480
Then we got a beautiful, beautiful note from Patrick Koble.

1348
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,640
And he said that Adam will know him.

1349
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:07,840
And so he writes this.

1350
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,320
You haven't heard this yet, honey.

1351
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:14,000
He says, Jimmy and Annette, first, thank you for everything you have done and are doing

1352
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,000
with this podcast and with your life.

1353
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:21,200
By the way, he's ex-military, real deal warrior.

1354
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:22,680
You'd love ex-military people.

1355
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,880
I'd love military people because I'm so grateful.

1356
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,540
Veterans Day is coming up where we get to say thanks.

1357
00:55:28,540 --> 00:55:32,400
He says, you're making a significant impact worldwide and you are appreciated.

1358
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,400
Hearing about your lives has changed mine.

1359
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:35,400
Oh my goodness.

1360
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:36,400
I know.

1361
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:37,400
This is beautiful.

1362
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,160
It's so refreshing to hear about struggles and that everything is not perfect, even our

1363
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,200
pastor's lives.

1364
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,200
And that's true.

1365
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,640
It's not perfect.

1366
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,400
It's beautifully broken and we just navigate just like everybody else.

1367
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:54,000
He says, and you all are so honest that it makes a deep connection with us all.

1368
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,480
And I'm thankful for you both.

1369
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,840
He said, I'm a longtime No Agenda listener.

1370
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:58,840
Yay.

1371
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,280
And the Duke of the South, Adam will know me.

1372
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,200
I hope to see you all one day for a combo meetup.

1373
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,300
That would be awesome.

1374
00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:06,960
Or somewhere to thank you in person.

1375
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:12,220
I have been a drifter from Christianity from middle school till now, from going to church

1376
00:56:12,220 --> 00:56:17,200
all the time and being baptized and nothing for 10 years to having kids and going back

1377
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,840
with them and then fizzling away and trying to get back now because of you two.

1378
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:22,840
Oh my gosh.

1379
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:23,840
I know.

1380
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,280
Patrick, Champion, we are so for you.

1381
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:27,640
Where is he from?

1382
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:28,640
I don't know.

1383
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:29,640
I don't know.

1384
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:30,640
I don't get all that information.

1385
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,640
We need to know so that we can plan meetups.

1386
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:33,640
Exactly.

1387
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,040
We have a meetup coming up soon.

1388
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,760
Patrick, I'm going to be returning your note.

1389
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,800
I'm not going to read the whole note because some of it is private.

1390
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:46,040
So he says, sorry for this long first contact form, but I hope it helps and may help your

1391
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,840
listeners and church family as we approach Veterans Day.

1392
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,320
And so he talks about, I'm not going to read the whole thing.

1393
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,000
He says, one of my biggest struggles has to do with what I've been through in war when

1394
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,160
I went deployed to Iraq two times.

1395
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:05,080
I think there are lots of veterans who struggle with faith and I've never found a podcast

1396
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:09,520
or blog that talks about it because it's such a hushed subject.

1397
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,480
And many veterans never talk about it.

1398
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,440
And he says, my big question is dot, dot, dot.

1399
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,000
I'm not going to read the rest of that.

1400
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,000
That's personal.

1401
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:21,360
But Patrick, I'll just say from our perspective, one of the reasons why a lot of people don't

1402
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,560
go there is because we're not veterans.

1403
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:30,280
We can't even pretend to comprehend what you have walked through, what you have seen.

1404
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,020
I can't even imagine.

1405
00:57:32,020 --> 00:57:38,160
We pastored in Abilene, Texas, the Dias Air Force Base, and 50% of our church was military.

1406
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:42,920
And that's where we really developed our love for military personnel and heart for them

1407
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,640
and what they go through.

1408
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,520
Received a lot of insight on what they go through.

1409
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,440
The reentry after being in the sandbox is devastating.

1410
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:57,280
And so, Patrick, I just want to say that's why you probably don't hear a lot of things.

1411
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,040
Maybe not because it's hushed, or not because it's taboo.

1412
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:07,040
If people have not had that experience, for me to speak into it would almost sound ingenuous.

1413
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:08,960
I would never want to do that.

1414
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,320
But I am going to write you back in terms of what you wrote to me and just hopefully

1415
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:13,320
encourage you.

1416
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,560
But Patrick, I want to say thank you for taking the time to reach out.

1417
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:18,560
Thank you for following me.

1418
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,520
I think I saw you follow me on Instagram and LinkedIn.

1419
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,160
And so, brother, I want to dialogue with you.

1420
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:25,160
And I agree.

1421
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:26,160
In any way we can help.

1422
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:27,640
Yes, we want to encourage you.

1423
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:28,640
Yes, we definitely want to encourage you.

1424
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,760
As you re-engage your walk with the Lord.

1425
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:35,200
And I'm sure Adam's right along with that, as Adam has engaged his walk with Jesus and

1426
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:36,200
Tina.

1427
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,520
So we're here and we're for you.

1428
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:42,480
And man, Duke of the South, bro, thank you for your service.

1429
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,400
I can never say that enough.

1430
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:45,920
And I genuinely mean it.

1431
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:52,320
In fact, anytime I see a first responder or military personnel anywhere, airport, a restaurant,

1432
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,000
wherever, I always stop and thank them.

1433
00:58:55,000 --> 00:59:21,560
I saw two military personnel, two paramedics the other day in the store.

1434
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,200
And I went over to them and I said, hey, I just want to thank you for what you do.

1435
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,840
And they were like, thank you.

1436
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:28,840
They were shocked.

1437
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:29,840
They were shocked.

1438
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,040
And the guy said, gosh, nobody ever says that to us.

1439
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:37,240
And I said, the reason I'm saying that to you is because my dad was a firefighter.

1440
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:38,920
I grew up in a first responder home.

1441
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:39,920
I get it.

1442
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,760
And he said, man, thank you so much.

1443
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,200
And it was my privilege to do so.

1444
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:50,560
So the reason why we had a little faux pas there is I turned over my peri-a on my desk

1445
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:51,560
and I accidentally muted.

1446
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:52,560
You sure did.

1447
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:53,560
Yeah, yeah.

1448
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:54,560
Smooth move there.

1449
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:59,600
So anyway, it's a little production for a faux pas.

1450
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,600
I think I'll just leave this in.

1451
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:02,600
This is real.

1452
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:03,600
This is us.

1453
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:04,600
This is real life.

1454
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:05,600
We're messy.

1455
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:06,600
Yeah, we're messy.

1456
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:07,600
Messy people.

1457
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,080
So anyway, Patrick, thank you.

1458
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,080
Thank you.

1459
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:18,080
Thank you for your heart, for being the person you are and responder and lifesaver.

1460
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,680
And we want to encourage you in your walk with Jesus.

1461
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:24,040
Well, babe, that about does it since I just made a big old mess.

1462
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:25,040
I know.

1463
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,040
Yeah, we're all good.

1464
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:27,040
I think we're all.

1465
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,160
It's just one of those.

1466
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:30,160
I'm a goofball.

1467
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,160
What can I say?

1468
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:32,160
I'm clumsy.

1469
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,160
It's just water.

1470
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:34,160
I know.

1471
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:35,160
Thank goodness.

1472
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:36,640
It didn't go on anything vital other than just making a mess.

1473
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:37,640
I know.

1474
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,280
I was worried about all the electronics right here.

1475
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,280
When it went off the air, I was like, oh no.

1476
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:46,840
But it was because I mashed the mute button trying to keep it from...

1477
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,240
I made a bigger mess just about just trying to stop it.

1478
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:50,240
That's okay.

1479
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:51,240
Well, folks, thank you.

1480
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,240
We love you guys and we're here for you.

1481
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:57,200
Hey, there's a Straper Boost when it should have been this.

1482
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:58,200
Wow.

1483
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:59,200
Wow.

1484
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:00,200
I'm on a roll.

1485
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,200
I'm totally discombobulated.

1486
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,200
Hey, this is real.

1487
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:03,200
I'm not even going to edit this out.

1488
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:04,200
Nope, don't edit it out.

1489
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:05,200
This is life since we know it.

1490
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:06,200
Life is messy.

1491
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:07,200
We love you guys.

1492
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:08,200
Thanks for joining us.

1493
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:09,200
Have an amazing week on purpose.

1494
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:10,200
Please let us know where you're listening from.

1495
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:11,200
That's real interesting to us.

1496
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:12,200
Yeah, we want to hear your story.

1497
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:13,200
Because no one can stop us.

1498
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:14,200
We love you guys.

1499
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:15,200
We love you guys.

1500
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,200
We love you guys.

1501
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:20,480
No agenda, Curry and the Keeper and us, we're going to be doing meetups.

1502
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,480
Yeah, in Austin coming up.

1503
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:23,480
Super excited about that.

1504
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:24,480
We'll go anywhere.

1505
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:25,480
I know.

1506
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:46,840
We love you all.