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What a day I'm telling you,

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All things will be new,

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Living up in a down world.

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Yeah we're living, yeah we're living,

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Living up in a down world.

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Oh!

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This is Jimmy and Annette and Chevy, of course.

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We are on episode 41 and we're so happy that you're going to join us today.

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Girl, you're so good at this.

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This is why I'm handing all this over to you.

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I don't understand that.

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I think you're good at this.

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No, you're really good at this.

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It's shocking at all to hear your beautiful voice.

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Oh, is that right?

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And that beautiful Texas twang.

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I love everything about it.

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You're a fan.

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You know I was made fun of when I was a school teacher in Southern California.

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Well think about it, that was in California.

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I know, but it's lingered all these long, long years.

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Just the pain and agony.

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And they made fun of my accent.

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Honey, they were children.

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I know, but children hurt me.

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They hurt me.

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Oh my gosh.

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I know.

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You're scarred.

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I'm trying to get over it by opening the show.

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And I appreciate it and you did fantastic.

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Thank you.

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And Mr. Chevy is with us.

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He heard me say his name.

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He's needing lots of attention.

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He's very needy, isn't he?

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Well, we've been gone most of the day.

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We've had a long work day.

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Boy, did we ever.

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Annette and I are co-pastors.

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I'm the lead pastor and she's associate pastor at Bridge Church in Fredericksburg, Texas.

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And this was our annual calendaring day.

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And if you've ever done strategic planning and calendaring, you know that that's a long day.

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And it's a lot of looking at dates and putting together activities for a solid year.

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So we scheduled all the way through the end of 2024.

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But anyway, we have a fantastic staff and team at our church that we, they're more like friends and family than anything.

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And then Chevy is like pawing you because he really needs a lot of attention.

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Y'all kept me in the cage all day.

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I've been in the puppy jail all day.

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So show number 41, we're plowing through this year.

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This has been, we're seeing some neat things begin to happen with this podcast.

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And first of all, I want to say a huge welcome to everyone that's listening and who has encouraged us.

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You've sent in letters, reviews, notes, emails.

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I mean, we're blown away, first of all, that you trust us with even sharing prayer requests of heavy things that are going on in your life.

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And whenever I read something over the air in terms of Thanksgiving or whatever, I won't ever want to betray anything.

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And I'll be, I'm always really careful with what we say because we thank you for your trust and we want to continue that.

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But I do also like to recognize people who are writing in and encouraging us.

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We have some that are donating also and supporting this effort.

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It means a ton to us just to hear from you.

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And again, thank you for joining us.

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Living Up and Down World is the name of our show.

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Did we even say that?

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I don't know if we said it.

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It's a theology of life where we believe that God's called us to live up even if a world is down.

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It's really my life philosophy.

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We are honored and thrilled that you're listening today.

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We want to make it worth your time.

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So we're going to have a few days so we're kind of we're running on fumes this evening.

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Well, not so good for you.

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I left you alone for two and a half days.

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I worked more than usual.

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That man has been preaching and leading that church for over 50 years.

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So love my bro.

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And so we're always looking for opportunities to go do a bro date.

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But thank you for sending me on a bro date.

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You're welcome.

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That is amazing, actually.

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Well, and I didn't have any plans, but I made plans with someone that...

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That's true.

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A dear friend, Karen.

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A friend I haven't had time with in a long time.

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She's awesome.

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We went to Backwoods, and I had my carnivore meal.

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Backwoods BBQ in Fredericksburg.

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I had brisket and sausage, so I was good.

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Oh, you went total carnivore.

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And she wanted to know all about carnivore.

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Who knows?

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Oh, we don't mind telling people.

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We feel like carnivore evangelists sometimes.

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I think Adam thinks we're carnivore evangelists.

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And so Tina had this big hiking trip that she'd planned like a year ago with, what, like 10 ladies?

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She opened it up to a whole bunch of people, but I don't know how many ended up going.

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She invited me, and I said, if there's a beach trip, I'm there hiking.

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Hiking in the mountains of Utah.

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Although we are going to Colorado.

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So let's talk about that trip in a second, because we got really blessed with this.

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So Tina went, and they hiked for like four days, right, in the mountains.

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Her first day, she took a pretty bad spill coming down a trail, and she cut her hands up,

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had to go to the emergency room.

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She showed us pictures online.

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She showed us pictures we were praying for, and then she got up the next day, and she seemed to be able to kind of get right back in it.

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She was repelled.

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Oh my gosh.

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That's handwork.

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I can't even imagine.

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Proud of her, though.

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She didn't let it take her trip out.

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She perseveres.

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I've never met anyone who perseveres like she does.

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She's fire.

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Didn't surprise me.

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I'm proud of her, actually.

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But she's coming home tonight.

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I didn't see any pictures of the puffer coat, and that's like a big controversy in their home right now.

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Well, I just have to tell you, during the day, I looked at the temperatures there.

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It's Brass, Utah.

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It was in the 60s, but not was in the 20s and 30s.

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So she would need it at night.

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Okay, gotcha.

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But I don't know if she needed it.

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Who knows?

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She said they were glamping.

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It wasn't camping.

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It was glamping.

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Glamping.

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So if you want to hear more about that story, you'll hear all about it this week, because

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she got back today.

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Tomorrow night.

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Yeah, tomorrow night she'll be currying the keepers.

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So yeah, check out Curry and the Keepers.

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Curry and the Keepers is one of our favorites, and we love them.

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So yeah, they're a twinsy show.

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I had a really cool thing happen last week.

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I was invited to a theological roundtable.

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Now, I know that doesn't light anybody's fire.

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That sounded kind of boring to me.

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I'm sorry.

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I was in Bible nerd heaven with 50 other men that are pastors and leaders who came together

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to spend two and a half days in God's Word, 2 Timothy.

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I mean, deep diving.

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Guys presented papers.

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That would be interesting.

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It was fascinating.

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As long as the language was to where I could understand it.

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I was back in seminary days.

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I mean, I used terminology I haven't used since seminary.

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Well, then that might be tough.

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We were diving into Greek and Hebrew, and it was amazing.

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And it was wall to wall.

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I mean, we got there and we hit the ground running, but it was in this beautiful place

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called Tesoro Escondido Ranch, which is up just north of Mineral Wells, Texas.

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And it is in the central Texas hill country.

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It's a little different than our hill country.

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But there's a ridge that overlooks the Brazos River.

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And I mean, it's just awe-inspiring.

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That ranch is run by Dudley Hall and TD Hall and the Hall family.

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They're amazing.

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So I got to be around some giants in the faith.

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And had a neat thing happen, I won't make it long, but a bishop out of the Anglican

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Church who's a world, a global leader was there.

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He didn't announce himself.

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He was unpretentious, 74 years old, sitting on the back row, acting like he's nothing.

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Turns out he was in my breakout group.

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We'd get in these table groups and discuss.

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And when I found out he was a global leader in the Anglican Church and has millions of

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people under his care and supervision, actually about 5 million at this point, I just, I

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buddied up to him.

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I became his shadow.

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I was like a puppy dog because I learned a long time ago that if you want to be a turkey,

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hang around turkeys.

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But if you want to fly with eagles, get around some eagles.

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Exactly.

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And you'll elevate.

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Eagles will elevate your game.

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And you'll become an eagle when you hang around them.

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So when I get around people like this, I don't ignore them.

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I follow them.

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And so I...

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Because you're not intimidated.

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You're excited.

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You're honored.

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No, I'm excited.

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It's a blessing.

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And so as we were getting ready to depart the last day, I just said, Bishop Bill, would

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you do me the honor of laying hands on me and praying over me?

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He made a joke about it.

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And then later he goes, all right, I'm ready.

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He laid hands on me and I heard the word inside of me, but I heard it in Daniel Kalinda's

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voice because when Daniel Kalinda laid hands on me and prayed and kind of hit me in the

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stomach...

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Years ago in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, he yelled, fire.

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And I mean, it was like something blew up inside of me.

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Can't explain that.

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I'm just saying it's a work of the Spirit.

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So when Bishop Bill laid his hands on me, I thought he was pushing me down because of

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the weight of his hands.

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He's not a large man, but when he put his hands on me, it felt like gravity, like weight.

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And then there were other guys that were part of my table and they laid hands on me as well

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at the same time.

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And I just sat there and tears just began to come to...

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I just started to leak.

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I mean, two-eyed cry as he prayed over me and they were in agreement.

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And then he said some amazing things over me that confirmed exactly what God is doing.

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We call that prophetic encouragement, which the Bible says it edifies and it brings comfort

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to men, to people.

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It edifies you, it comforts you and confirms the work of the Lord.

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And I heard Daniel Kalinda's voice again as he laid hands on me, fire.

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It's like fire in my belly.

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Well, you've definitely been on fire these last few weeks.

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Yeah, it was a reminder of that.

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It was just God saying, I believe confirming His word.

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But He gave me some other beautiful things that I won't go into that were encouraging

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and really have a global scale.

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And I'll tell you what my takeaway from it, I shared this with our staff today, is that

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I've been believing too small.

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I haven't asked big enough.

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God is challenging me in this season to go big.

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Go big or go home.

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Go big or go home.

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And so I'm beginning to pray dangerous prayers that I maybe didn't want to risk or have the

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responsibility of, but I'm ready.

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And God's done that work in me.

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Well, we were listening to Pastor Craig Groschel speak last week at Gateway.

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He was there on Sunday.

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And he was talking about praying bold prayers, that it's time that we stand up and pray boldly.

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And he made the comment, once you do that, I mean, there's a real enemy that's after

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you then.

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So you'll be tested.

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You'll be met with resistance.

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Yeah, you'll be met with resistance, but it's okay because God is with us.

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And so we both said, okay, God, I mean, because we're all in.

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We are all in, period.

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We push all of our chips to the middle of the table, so to speak.

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We understand spiritual warfare for sure.

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So yeah, this really goes along with what happened with you at that roundtable.

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God's putting boldness and courage and a fire in you that is...

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I mean, our church is shocked to see, honestly, how you have come back with all of that.

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And the way you've been preaching and the authority is...

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People are not going to forget this time.

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It's going to mark time right now.

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I think the reason that God is increasing that boldness and that courage is because

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we need clarion voices standing up for truth right now because there's so much lies and

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false, weak leadership.

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And pastors that are tickling the ears of their people because they're afraid they're

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going to lose money from people.

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They're afraid they're going to lose their reputation.

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They're so afraid that fear of men, we've talked about, that they don't want to stand

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up.

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And God said, He calls us to be strong and courageous.

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For me, I fear the Lord more than I fear man.

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And when I say fear, I mean reverence.

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I mean awe.

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I don't mean like I'm trembling in the presence of God.

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I'm actually thankful.

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And I love my Abba Father.

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But I want to please Him more than I want to please anyone.

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And so now, I think my sabbatical shifted me.

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I knew God was shifting me.

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And all through that thing, there was a shift.

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I felt it the whole time and sensed it.

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But I now preach for an audience of one instead of an audience of 500.

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And I'm doing it without fear because I feel like after doing it, I did that series on

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heaven called Heaven in the Real World, and it's so awakened to me to the reality of heaven

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like I've never been awakened to it in my entire life.

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But what it did is I no longer fear death.

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I have no fear.

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When you realize what is awaiting us, not only do you not fear it, you start to long for

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it.

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Well, I think for most of us, it's not death so much.

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It is the pain of how we're going to die as Christians.

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Other people, a lot of people think everything's just going to go black one day.

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It's so sad to feel that your existence is just going to stop, but it doesn't.

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It just begins.

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No hope.

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You live in dread of just nothingness.

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And I live in hope and expectation of amazing things that you can't even wrap your mind

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around.

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So that's part of what is driving this.

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The other part, I think, is an anointing for this season because the world is losing its

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mind right now.

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I mean, when I say living up in a down world, I came up with that 40 years ago, that title.

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And the world didn't seem as down then as it is now.

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It's way more apropos now.

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And I don't want to just beat up on the world.

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That's not me at all.

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I'm very positive in nature.

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But the reality is, is government has let us down.

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I mean, authority has let us down.

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Civil government, state government, federal, and now this global whatever is going on.

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I have a question I always ask, who's flying the plane?

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And right now, it's hard to tell.

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It seems like a lot of powers that are unnamed and unseen are flying the plane right now.

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It's very obvious the clown shows not flying it.

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And so now I want to get off.

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This isn't about politics.

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This is about the reality of the world in which we live that is very dark right now.

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Therefore, me and others, you listening, we need to let our voices be heard.

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But I mean, voices for righteousness, voices for good, voices that are life giving and

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speaking light and life into a dark world.

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That's what we're called to do.

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But we also need to call the spade a spade and call out sin in leadership and call out

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call out greed and lust and the love of the things of the world and materialism and all

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these things that have created these power hungry leaders in our culture that they care

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more about money than they do their constituents.

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And now that sounds political because it's in the political realm, but that is what is

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driving so much of what's happening around us.

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I'm not talking politically.

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I'm talking about humanity and life.

499
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So we've got a lot of dark things happening, a lot of idolatry happening.

500
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,440
And we there needs to be strong voices calling it out.

501
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:37,560
Every generation sees there are men and women who stand up and let their voices be heard.

502
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,560
And for whatever reason, I feel like God's tapped me for that.

503
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,360
And so well, it goes along with the sermon that you preached on Sunday about Shadrach,

504
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:54,120
Meshach, and Abednego and how they stood up knowing that God believing that God could

505
00:23:54,120 --> 00:24:00,240
come through, but even if he didn't, while you know, when they stepped in that fire and

506
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,240
but God came through.

507
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,360
Isn't that one of the most powerful lines in the Bible?

508
00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:05,480
Love that story.

509
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,840
I've got it here.

510
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,080
In fact, it's right here in Daniel chapter three.

511
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,680
So what it is, it was an evil king, the king of Babylon, his name is Nebuchadnezzar.

512
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,960
And he had this he had captured like an amoeba.

513
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,840
They were just taking over country after country after country.

514
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,640
And this is around 589 BC.

515
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:29,040
They laid siege to Jerusalem and they invaded Israel and Jerusalem.

516
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,640
And about two years later, Jerusalem fell.

517
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,000
They destroyed the walls around Jerusalem.

518
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:39,040
The temple, they do that in order to humiliate the city to take down their walls, to leave

519
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,040
them unprotected.

520
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:45,680
And then they destroyed Solomon's temple, which was considered one of the ancient wonders

521
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,040
of the world.

522
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,200
And they destroyed it.

523
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,920
I mean, like turned it into rubble, which we've been there.

524
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,720
The rubble is still there all these years later, you can actually walk around and it's

525
00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:08,920
mind bending to think that men in in BC, we're not talking AD, we're talking 589, 870 BCs.

526
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:14,680
And then in 586, they took Jerusalem captive and they took all these people from Jerusalem,

527
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,960
their homeland up to Babylon, which was just devastating to all these people who said,

528
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,760
you know, this is the land God gave us.

529
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,600
Now you took us away.

530
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:28,820
So in the middle of all that, Nebuchadnezzar just appeased people, talk about politics.

531
00:25:28,820 --> 00:25:34,080
He starts finding some of the Jewish young men that had leadership on them.

532
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:40,020
They stood heads above everybody else and he started tapping them for political power

533
00:25:40,020 --> 00:25:44,960
and governing to try to keep the peace among the Jewish people that are now settled in

534
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,140
Babylon.

535
00:25:46,140 --> 00:25:54,140
So he was a politician from the get go, but he was dark and he decided to build an idol

536
00:25:54,140 --> 00:25:58,220
that was 90 feet tall, made out of solid gold, nine feet wide.

537
00:25:58,220 --> 00:26:00,480
He erected it out in the desert.

538
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,960
And he demanded that when this music was played, apparently it was pretty epic from the sound

539
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:06,960
of it.

540
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,400
It kind of reminds me of when music, I mean, there's in Israel, remember the...

541
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:17,920
Oh yeah, all over any Arab nation or where there's Muslim presence, they have these huge

542
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,680
speakers all over the city.

543
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:26,680
And three times a day, they go off and then they drop and pray to their names.

544
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:27,680
Drop and roll kind of thing.

545
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,520
That kind of, when you were talking about that at church, that reminded me of when we

546
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:32,520
were in Israel.

547
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,120
It's bizarre if you're not in that religion and faith, which we obviously are not, we

548
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:44,200
are Christian to the core, but it's very eerie to hear that playing and it's these voices

549
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,200
that chant or a song.

550
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,280
Yeah, it felt very like a dark presence over, especially in Israel.

551
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:58,160
And so when they erected this idol, I mean, nobody knows exactly what it is, but it's

552
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,400
probably...

553
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,160
When you say a statue of himself, most likely...

554
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:10,840
Yeah, most of the Elosians think it was him, that he actually made an idol of himself to

555
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,600
worship him.

556
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:17,680
And so when they played this music, everybody's supposed to stop, bow down to the ground,

557
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,600
fall down and worship this idol.

558
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:26,760
And Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, these Jewish boys refused to bow down.

559
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,120
And so these occult leaders, they're called Chaldeans or astrologers, but they're actually

560
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:36,440
leaders of the occult and the black arts, tattletale, they went to the king and said,

561
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:42,720
there are some Jews who are not obeying you and they're not obeying you to bow down.

562
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,680
Which meant there are some...

563
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,000
There were some Jews who did.

564
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,080
They gave up their own identity and beliefs to bow down.

565
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,840
Which is what's happening in this world.

566
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:53,840
Exactly.

567
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:54,840
It's so parallel.

568
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:55,840
Oh my goodness.

569
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:56,840
Is it ever?

570
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:57,840
And so the king was furious.

571
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,160
He said, anybody who does not bow down will be thrown into a burning furnace.

572
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,000
And he turned it up seven times hotter than normal.

573
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,440
Hotter than a blazing furnace.

574
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:13,000
So he confronts Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who were young governors.

575
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,560
And so he knew them.

576
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,480
And he said, I'm going to give you another chance.

577
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,640
Which was shocking that he even gave them another chance.

578
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,120
Apparently he saw he liked them.

579
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:24,380
I mean, it wasn't like he wanted to kill them.

580
00:28:24,380 --> 00:28:29,120
And so they played the music and they said, we have no need to answer you, King Nebuchadnezzar.

581
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,120
We will never bow down to any god.

582
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:33,120
We will not defend ourselves.

583
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:34,420
We will not bow down.

584
00:28:34,420 --> 00:28:41,400
And it's such a poignant moment because the king goes into a full on rage.

585
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,280
They overheat the furnace.

586
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:49,240
What I think is interesting is the soldiers that were, they bound them together and the

587
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:54,960
ones that were taking them into that, because you walk into this furnace kind of thing.

588
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,040
And they burned to death.

589
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,040
It killed them.

590
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,600
It was so hot that as they were taking them up there, apparently the flames are flying

591
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,880
out of this thing and it actually killed them.

592
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,400
And so, and then it says that they fell bound because they tied them up.

593
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,400
They were bound.

594
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,400
They tied them up together.

595
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,400
I've seen pictures.

596
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,600
Yeah, they tied them up.

597
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,360
And so they fell into the furnace.

598
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:22,640
And within a few moments, King looks in the, he can see into the furnace and he says,

599
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,040
look, and he says, wasn't there three men that were thrown in and you know, the Chaldean

600
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,280
or whatever said, yes, oh King, there were three men.

601
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:38,160
He said, there is four walking around and one looks like the son of the gods.

602
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,800
Which is not the son of God because he hasn't even.

603
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,680
Right, little G, son of the gods.

604
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,760
He had no point of reference for God, Yahweh like us.

605
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:55,940
And so that's called a theophany in theological language, a theophany or a Christophany.

606
00:29:55,940 --> 00:29:58,840
If it's a Christophany, it's a pre-incarnate Christ.

607
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:05,280
It's an appearance of Christ before he was born, which we knew happened in AD.

608
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,160
But this is probably a theophany.

609
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,160
It may not have been Jesus.

610
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,160
We don't know.

611
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,000
We can't say that for sure.

612
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:16,200
But we do know it was God or a messenger of God, a godlike creature caught.

613
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,400
It was God in God's presence.

614
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,720
And the King tells them, yells at them to come out.

615
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,760
And they come out and the people there, all the other governors and leaders came around

616
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,460
them and were shocked because their clothes weren't singed or burned.

617
00:30:31,460 --> 00:30:34,360
It says they didn't even smell like smoke.

618
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,560
So in a very real sense, they went to hell and back and didn't smell like smoke.

619
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,760
So it didn't even, the fire didn't even touch them.

620
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:47,720
But I love what they, the comment that they made when he was putting him in the fire.

621
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,720
Yeah, I love that.

622
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:49,720
Yeah, yeah.

623
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:56,600
He said, when he's, you know, they said, we're not going to bow to you and our God will save

624
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:57,600
us.

625
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,560
But even if he doesn't, we will still not bow down to you.

626
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:10,040
How many of us have that same, you know, courage to say even if he doesn't.

627
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,880
So let me ask you, Annette, have you ever had anyone check you up in your faith?

628
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,960
I mean, just get in your face and check you up.

629
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,760
I don't think I have like you have.

630
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:19,760
I have.

631
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:20,760
I know.

632
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:21,760
Yeah, more than once.

633
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:22,760
I don't think I have.

634
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:28,760
Yeah, I was a brand new Christian working for an electrical company up in Panhandle,

635
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:29,760
Texas.

636
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,200
I moved over to another community and it was an old, greasy garage, typical car garage

637
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,160
with a bunch of car parts and cars up on jacks and stuff.

638
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:43,120
And this big old dude, and he was huge because I was at that time, I was six foot tall.

639
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,800
This guy had to be six four, six five, and he was probably 300 pounds.

640
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,760
He was huge.

641
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,400
All covered in grease.

642
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,220
He had a Harley sitting over in the corner.

643
00:31:52,220 --> 00:31:56,060
He was a biker dude to the core, chains off of him.

644
00:31:56,060 --> 00:32:01,240
He walks up to me, I had on a Christian t-shirt because I'm a new Christian, so I'm excited.

645
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,080
I want everybody to know I'm a Christian.

646
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,040
And I'm like 20 years old.

647
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,840
I'm a kid, 1920.

648
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,400
This dude walks up to me and he gets in my face like stands within a few inches of me.

649
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:18,400
He looks down at me and he says, and this really with no expression, do you really believe

650
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,400
that?

651
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,520
He's looking at my shirt.

652
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:27,520
And this could only be the Holy Spirit because without even hesitating, I said, yes, sir,

653
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:28,520
I do.

654
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,720
He sat there for a minute and then he said, so do I.

655
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:33,720
So do I.

656
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:34,720
He said, good answer.

657
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,840
He said, I'm proud of you for sticking up for what you believe in.

658
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,040
And we need people to be bold.

659
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,160
And I was like, huh, thank you, Jesus.

660
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,600
And I've had it happen another time.

661
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:51,480
And then, well, and then you obviously so I took a lesson from his playbook.

662
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,680
And through the years, anytime I see someone, not every time, but you know, for an elevator,

663
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:01,160
it's a, you know, I don't want to just make embarrass anybody, but I will.

664
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,880
I'll say things like, do you really believe that?

665
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:09,600
Like these two guys in the elevator in Dallas recently, we were there for the Gateway Conference.

666
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,120
We jump on the elevator, we're getting ready to go home.

667
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,960
These two young guys jump on the elevator with us and you could tell they'd been at

668
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:16,960
the conference.

669
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,680
They had Christian t-shirts on and stuff.

670
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,840
And I looked over the sky and I said, you really believe that?

671
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:22,840
He said, yes, sir, I do.

672
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:23,840
That's a good answer.

673
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:24,840
I do too.

674
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,680
So yeah, I've checked up a lot of people through the years.

675
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,080
Now he'll be telling those stories.

676
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,080
I hope so.

677
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,080
Maybe it will help him.

678
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,160
He was bold.

679
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,160
So I appreciated him.

680
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,300
He didn't, he didn't hold back.

681
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:40,920
All that to say is that we need people to stand up when the whole world is falling down.

682
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:46,320
If you think about it, these, these Jewish boys, all they had to do was stand when everybody

683
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:52,600
else fell because when the, when the siren went off or the music went off, the signal,

684
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,200
they didn't have to do anything.

685
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,400
A lot of times we think that standing up means you have to do something that you're not doing.

686
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:04,280
But if you're already standing, you don't do anything but stand and everyone else falls.

687
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:09,400
And when everyone else, and you have to look around, is the culture falling right now?

688
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,960
Oh my gosh, culture's falling right and left.

689
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,040
But all we have to do is stay standing.

690
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,040
Right.

691
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,880
It reminds me of Ephesians chapter six.

692
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:24,480
It says, having done all to stand, stand therefore, having put on the helmet of salvation, the

693
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,240
breastplate of righteousness, the armor of God, it says stand.

694
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:32,120
So all we have to do is stand when, when no one else is.

695
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,600
So it's not like we do something.

696
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,400
It means we don't do something.

697
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,320
We actually stay standing.

698
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:42,160
I want to encourage you in your faith journey because you may not get checked up like I

699
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,560
did, but you know, the world is not like it used to, used to be.

700
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,760
The world is not friendly to Christians anymore.

701
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,560
At least America is not.

702
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,080
I mean, there are things happening all over America right now that we never thought would

703
00:34:54,080 --> 00:35:01,760
happen in terms of, of intolerance and hatred and accusation and, you know, because we don't

704
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,920
give in to everything that the culture is leaning to in wokeism and all that.

705
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,080
We don't give into it.

706
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,360
We don't agree with it.

707
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,780
So now we're considered haters only because we're standing for the, what we believe the

708
00:35:13,780 --> 00:35:15,720
word of God tells us to do and be.

709
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:17,440
Incorrect because we're not haters.

710
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,080
We're just not lovers of those things.

711
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,080
That's right.

712
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,600
And we're not out parading or protesting or carrying signs or doing anything.

713
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,360
We're just trying to live our lives for God.

714
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,400
And it's just a different world right now.

715
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,800
But here's the thing.

716
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,880
I remember that song by Aaron Tippett years ago.

717
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:33,880
Oh my gosh.

718
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:34,880
I don't even remember.

719
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,520
If you don't, it says, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

720
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,120
I mean, it's a great country song and I'm not even a country fan, but I like that one

721
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,440
because I like the line of that.

722
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:49,040
If you, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

723
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,800
I think that's a lot of, there's some wisdom in that because we do, we have to take a stand

724
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,480
and be unashamed of the good news, the gospel of Jesus Christ.

725
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:02,000
And the scripture tells us, I love what Paul says, I am unashamed of the gospel of Jesus

726
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,200
Christ for is the power of God unto salvation.

727
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:11,360
And that's the thing is we need to, we need to not hide who we are, not be ashamed.

728
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,400
And this is not the time to be silent.

729
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:14,400
I agree.

730
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:15,400
I totally agree.

731
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,400
Are you saying amen over here?

732
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,400
You're my amen corner over there.

733
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,400
Chevy's my amen corner.

734
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:25,440
Well, listen, I just, I want to encourage you.

735
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Here's how we stand up.

736
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:32,080
First of all, we tell our gospel story and our gospel story doesn't mean this is how

737
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,120
perfect I am because I figured it all out.

738
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,080
Our gospel story sounds more like, you know, I don't know everything quite yet.

739
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,360
I'm learning, but here's what I know.

740
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,360
And then what do you know?

741
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:49,960
Well, I know that God loves me even in spite of my mistakes, even in spite of my, you know,

742
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:55,560
my strikes, you know, it's a swing and a miss, even in spite of my poor choices or my bad

743
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,040
habits that aren't, haven't been redeemed yet.

744
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,120
I'm on a growth track.

745
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,060
I'm in process and God's working in my life.

746
00:37:03,060 --> 00:37:05,160
And so we tell our gospel story.

747
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,320
That's one way you stand up.

748
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,620
Another way you stand up is to not give in and participate in everything that's going

749
00:37:10,620 --> 00:37:13,680
on around you just because it's happening around you.

750
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,800
You don't have to do what everybody else is doing.

751
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,080
And it may mean you don't get invited to some things anymore.

752
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,960
It may mean you're not going to be the most popular person in the room, but you don't

753
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,480
have to do what everybody else is doing.

754
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,480
Right.

755
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,680
Especially if it compromises your faith.

756
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:31,680
Exactly.

757
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:32,680
Yeah.

758
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:33,680
I do want to encourage you.

759
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,280
I know this is some heavy stuff, but I mean, these guys were willing to die.

760
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,360
They were willing to lay their lives down.

761
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:44,160
There's so many stories like that in the Bible because you've got Abraham and Isaac.

762
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,160
Yeah.

763
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,520
Got Esther who got Josh, young Joshua.

764
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,320
You talked about Esther the week before.

765
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,320
Young Joshua.

766
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,320
You're going to talk about Daniel.

767
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,320
I think this week.

768
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,920
Daniel and the lion's den talk about facing death.

769
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,920
Yeah.

770
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,160
Not long after this, Nebuchadnezzar strikes again.

771
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:04,960
I mean, Daniel gets tossed into a lion's den and ends up petting him.

772
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,080
I mean, like a bunch of kittens with him.

773
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,720
And so he shows again the power of God.

774
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:15,840
And not that God always protects because sometimes things happen.

775
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,640
And people do lose their lives and many in the Scriptures lost their lives because of

776
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,240
the gospel, because of following Christ.

777
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:29,720
And so Dietrich Bonhauer, he was a prisoner of war but a great theologian.

778
00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:35,800
He died in a jail cell just before the war ended, like 16 days.

779
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,320
If he hadn't died before that, he would have been released and free.

780
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,400
But he wrote amazing, amazing...

781
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,000
I can't remember the name of his book.

782
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,400
I can't call it offhand.

783
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,640
But he said this quote that always stuck with me.

784
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,320
Jesus bids a man come and die.

785
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,320
That's heavy.

786
00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:00,680
And the question is, not only are we willing to stand up for our faith, but if worse comes

787
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,600
to worse, are we willing to die for it?

788
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:04,600
Wow.

789
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,440
So I asked that question in church on Sunday.

790
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,160
It got very quiet.

791
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,800
Because you know, we've got...

792
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,200
Our borders are all open.

793
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,200
We know there's crazy things.

794
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,400
And we're just three hours from the border here.

795
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,560
Where crazy things are happening in this world and you know, who knew...

796
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:27,080
I mean, Israel would be attacked the way they were so abruptly and caught everybody off

797
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,080
guard.

798
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,080
So now the Middle East is flared up.

799
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,080
9-1-1, same thing.

800
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,160
Caught everybody off guard.

801
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:40,200
If you don't think about it now, what are you going to do when the time comes, if the

802
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,200
time does come?

803
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,200
Hopefully it won't.

804
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,200
Right.

805
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,800
But you know, it has come for a lot of people.

806
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:45,800
It has.

807
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:51,480
There are believers dying all over our planet right now, particularly in Eastern countries

808
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,120
and Africa that are Muslim dominated.

809
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,800
I mean, there are people literally dying for it.

810
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,360
Dying for their faith and dying for Christ.

811
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:06,280
I know this is heavy, but the thing is, Jesus was willing to die for us.

812
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,480
So why wouldn't we be willing to die for Him?

813
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,240
And so yeah, it's heavy subjects.

814
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:17,520
And actually when I shared that in church on both services on Sunday, I had a couple

815
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,800
come to me and you could tell they were heavy.

816
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,600
It was really heavy on them.

817
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,040
And they said to me, we had no idea.

818
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:31,200
We've never heard this said in a church before in all of our years.

819
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,040
And we had no idea where you were going to go.

820
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,880
We had this conversation, me and my wife, and she's standing there just last night.

821
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:38,880
Wow.

822
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,960
We were sitting around the table, the dinner table after we'd eaten, talking.

823
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,560
And we started saying things like, what would we do if we were threatened?

824
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,840
What would we do if we were told to renounce our faith?

825
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:57,600
What would we do if we were invaded and taken over and now we don't have any freedom anymore?

826
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,080
They said we had this conversation last night.

827
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,040
So they were blown away because they were like, this is confirmation.

828
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:08,440
I think after preaching it on Sunday, a lot of people are probably having that conversation.

829
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:09,440
I hope so.

830
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,720
And part of my role as a teacher, not just a preacher, but a teacher is to provoke thought

831
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:15,400
and provoke conversations.

832
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,080
And it's not about fear, but it's about, okay, how are you going to live the rest of your

833
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,080
life?

834
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,080
Exactly.

835
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,080
Are you going to live for him or are you going to live for yourself?

836
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,080
Yeah.

837
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,080
Are you going to live in fear?

838
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,480
And so I choose faith over fear.

839
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,480
Right.

840
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:28,480
There you go.

841
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,000
So I want to encourage you.

842
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,260
We know that this podcast goes out all over the world.

843
00:41:33,260 --> 00:41:37,260
We've heard from people all over the world and I've got the analytics map that shows

844
00:41:37,260 --> 00:41:38,840
that we're literally all over the world.

845
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,600
And so we know that.

846
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:45,440
And so I know I'm speaking into cultures right now that may be facing this a lot more than

847
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,320
we are right now.

848
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,080
And we're for you and Jesus is for you.

849
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:56,920
And let me just say this, think about what would you do if you were at the tip of a spear

850
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:01,960
or the tip of a rifle or a knife told to recant your faith or die?

851
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,880
And you need to decide that now what you would do so that if you were ever to face that,

852
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,900
you wouldn't try to be making that decision in the moment in fear.

853
00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:14,880
And I know that's heavy thinking, but it's just living with situational awareness and

854
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:22,400
realizing if we have to give our life, bottom line for a believer is it's a win-win proposition.

855
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:23,400
If you live, you win.

856
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,660
You get to breathe another day and live another day.

857
00:42:26,660 --> 00:42:31,600
But if you die, you're in the presence of God where we long to be.

858
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:38,700
We remember our hearts, our minds and our hearts remember Eden, but our spirit longs

859
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:40,200
for heaven.

860
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,340
And so it's a win-win proposition.

861
00:42:42,340 --> 00:42:44,640
So I want to encourage you.

862
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,840
You may not have to die for your faith, but you may have to speak up.

863
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,400
You may have to speak up in a friend group.

864
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,440
Not compromise your faith.

865
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,720
You may have to speak up in a family situation.

866
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:54,720
Exactly.

867
00:42:54,720 --> 00:43:01,400
Christmas, Thanksgiving, boy, this is when it gets hard on people during the holidays

868
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:06,520
when they have to get around people that don't show the faith that they have.

869
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,040
And what are you going to do?

870
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,840
Let's start at home, like right here.

871
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,840
What are you going to do here?

872
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:20,640
We don't even have to go as far as what's going to happen if someone tries to hurt me.

873
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:26,200
What are you going to do during the holidays when you're around your family and they don't

874
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,560
believe anything that you believe?

875
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,560
How are you going to handle that?

876
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:35,240
Are you going to compromise or are you going to stand up in love?

877
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,440
Everything we do, we should do in love no matter what.

878
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:38,440
Of course.

879
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,360
We never pour it down people's throat.

880
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,400
But you may be the only Bible your family, your friends ever read.

881
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,400
Exactly.

882
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:51,760
So let them read you and let them see that you're not perfect, but see that you're leaning

883
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,640
into faith and leaning into Jesus.

884
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:56,640
So we love you.

885
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,320
That's our topic for the day.

886
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,400
This is heavy, heavy stuff.

887
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,640
We want to shift gears now.

888
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,360
We want to, we've got some beautiful things to share and just want to say thank you so

889
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,840
much for reaching out to us.

890
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:09,840
I'm going to start with some boostograms.

891
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:16,280
I'm not going to go in particular order here, but Ralph Pacheco with 10,000 sats total,

892
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:21,040
he writes this note, Hey, hey, hey, I want to hear about Jimmy's guitars.

893
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,920
Oh, do you have some for sale now?

894
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,400
Well, I'm just saying, does he have two hours?

895
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,440
Cause we could talk about them.

896
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,120
I've got about eight of them hanging around me right now.

897
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,400
I know, but I thought you were going to put them up for sale because you're like, whoa,

898
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,720
whoa, whoa, slow down, slow your roll girl.

899
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:44,600
I'm getting more warm up to the idea that I don't need eight.

900
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:45,600
So we'll see what happens.

901
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:46,600
Are you sure there's only eight?

902
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,360
Well, if the Lord has me give them away.

903
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,360
Okay.

904
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,360
Well, that's your problem.

905
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,400
You have to do what God tells you to do.

906
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,360
He says, I believe playing an instrument can bring you closer to God.

907
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,320
I agree with that, Ralph.

908
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,680
My son is 13 years old.

909
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,360
His school has one of the most amazing music programs to see all those kids performing

910
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,000
music at such an impressive level.

911
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,600
It gives you a religious feeling.

912
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:12,040
My son plays standup bass and a Hoffner bass, Paul McCartney style, share your love of guitar

913
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,960
with the children, get them on stage playing some chords.

914
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,280
They will receive the gift of music through God.

915
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,000
Ralph, I totally agree with that.

916
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,280
It has been a blessing my entire life.

917
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,240
Well, you taught our son how to play guitar.

918
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,040
Yeah, he became a worship leader.

919
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:30,720
Yeah, I actually gave him my favorite guitar, my handmade Japanese.

920
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:33,640
Oh my gosh, an amazing guitar.

921
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,080
Alpereggio, I gave it to him his senior year.

922
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,080
And then what?

923
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,080
Two months later, it got stolen.

924
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,080
It got stolen.

925
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,080
Someone broke in our home.

926
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,080
It broke in our house in California.

927
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,080
Stole it.

928
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,080
It was not cool.

929
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,880
But anyway, yeah, he became a worship leader and now he's a lead pastor.

930
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,440
And I think it's because he found the gift of music.

931
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,880
So thank you, Ralph, for your blessing.

932
00:45:52,880 --> 00:46:03,560
And then also coming in at 77,777 Sats, that would be Adam the Podfather, the Podfather,

933
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:04,560
the Podfather Currie.

934
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,280
He says this, listening to bed with my bride sleeping peacefully by my side.

935
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,280
I don't know if he meant that to rhyme or not, but it's pretty cool.

936
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:16,080
He said, I had to pause the podcast to thank our father for answering my prayer to make

937
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,120
living up in a down world the best God cast in the universe.

938
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,400
Oh, wow.

939
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:27,080
From Daymanet's opening to the boostograms and value messages and all your wisdom in

940
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,120
between this is perfect.

941
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,960
Much love, my friends.

942
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:31,960
I need to frame that.

943
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,720
I need to put that in a frame so that every time we do a show, we can just read this to

944
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:38,160
ourselves.

945
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,160
Thank you, Adam, bro.

946
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,640
Seriously, you're my best friend.

947
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,720
I wouldn't be here if it weren't for you.

948
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:43,960
That's true.

949
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,760
That's true that you guys inspire you and Tina just inspired us to take the step and

950
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,560
jump out here and podcast land and we're loving it.

951
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:52,560
We're having a blast.

952
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:53,560
So thank you.

953
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:58,240
One of the...and just even reading Adam's boostogram reminds me of what value for value

954
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:04,400
means and if this show encourages you, you can...and it adds value to you.

955
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:05,880
You can add value back to us.

956
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:12,400
One, by boosting us on any of the Podcast 2.0 platforms like Fountain or Cast-O-Matic

957
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,280
and there's many others out there, you can actually do boostograms where you can send

958
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,080
us a note and send us some satoshis.

959
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,480
And that's a great way to just say, hey, we like what you're doing, Jimmy and Nat.

960
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,000
Thank you, guys.

961
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:29,000
Another way you can show value and this is huge for us is if you think that what we're

962
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,920
doing is helpful and helpful in your walk with Christ and helping you get inspired and

963
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:40,000
encouraged to live up in a down world, then send our link over to your friends or send

964
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,220
our link over to your family, people that you think could benefit from hearing a God

965
00:47:45,220 --> 00:47:47,600
podcasters, you know, do what we do.

966
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,640
And that's a huge value for us because our heart's to get the good news out and to get

967
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:58,160
the message of Christ out and help people truly, truly live up and experience life in

968
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,160
Christ.

969
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,560
So that's one way you can...huge way you can help us there.

970
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:03,940
Here's another boostogram.

971
00:48:03,940 --> 00:48:10,360
This is from Pocket Parley with 5000SATs and they say this, so blessed to add your terrific

972
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:11,940
podcast to my playlist.

973
00:48:11,940 --> 00:48:17,040
It's another great tool to help me and my family on our spiritual journey.

974
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:23,320
If I may recommend checking out our Pastors, Pastors, I think Pastors podcast.

975
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,960
It's Pastors, but I think it's Pastors, like pastor.

976
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,520
Signs of the Times out of Calvary, Knoxville.

977
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,720
Oh, Knoxville, Tennessee.

978
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:33,720
Nice.

979
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:37,340
It hits on prophecy and biblical news of the week.

980
00:48:37,340 --> 00:48:38,760
Thanks and God bless you guys.

981
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:39,960
Thank you so much.

982
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,160
And thanks for the reference there, Calvary, Knoxville.

983
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,160
That's awesome.

984
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,160
Tennessee.

985
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,160
I wonder if it's a Calvary Chapel.

986
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,160
Calvary Chapel.

987
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:48,160
It may be.

988
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,160
I don't know.

989
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,160
We love Calvary Chapel Church.

990
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,160
We love Calvary Chapel Church.

991
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,160
Yeah.

992
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,160
All right.

993
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,160
Well, thank you, Pocket Parley.

994
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:55,720
Thanks for the SATs, but also for the encouragement there.

995
00:48:55,720 --> 00:49:01,000
We have another boostogram from Sir Brian with an I showed back up.

996
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,760
Today in the last minute, 4444SATs total.

997
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:12,080
Now listen to what he says, 4444S for the fourth man in the fire in the 40th episode.

998
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,720
And Dame Annette, that was fantastic intro.

999
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:16,960
A fantastic intro.

1000
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,240
You should stay at the helm.

1001
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:19,240
I agree.

1002
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:20,240
I so agree.

1003
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:21,240
Oh, wow.

1004
00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:22,240
Love you, Pastor Jimmy.

1005
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:23,240
It's all right.

1006
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:26,460
You didn't hurt my feelings because I am in total agreement, Brian with an I, that she

1007
00:49:26,460 --> 00:49:27,680
should stay at the helm.

1008
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,160
Can't wait to see you all at the meetup.

1009
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,640
Thank you both for your guidance.

1010
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,200
This is the meetup we're going to be at.

1011
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,240
We're going to do a triple meetup in Austin.

1012
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:37,240
What's the date on that?

1013
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:38,240
Do you remember?

1014
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:39,240
December.

1015
00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:41,240
December or November?

1016
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:43,120
Oh, gosh.

1017
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,120
You look that up.

1018
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,200
And while you're at it, I'm going to talk about it.

1019
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,380
So there's going to be a triple threat meetup with Curry and the Keeper.

1020
00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:52,160
No agenda, living up in a down world.

1021
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,600
Me and Adam did this before.

1022
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,000
We had a blast meeting all the folks in Austin.

1023
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,000
November 18th.

1024
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,400
November 18th is Saturday afternoon.

1025
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,560
Yes, from four to six.

1026
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,880
I'm doing a memorial service that morning and it's in Austin.

1027
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:06,880
I don't know the location.

1028
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:07,880
At a restaurant or somewhere.

1029
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:08,880
Yeah, yeah.

1030
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:09,880
It's like a bar and grill thing.

1031
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,840
It's like this cool place out back.

1032
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:16,080
But I did that with Adam and it was so cool to meet these amazing people.

1033
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,040
Emma shocked at how many knew about our podcast.

1034
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,960
So he said, you're going to find people.

1035
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,300
And I'm like, yeah, I was shocked.

1036
00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:25,320
But Sir Brian with I, looking forward to seeing you again.

1037
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,040
And yeah, we will be there.

1038
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,360
But the girls are coming too.

1039
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,360
So Tina and.

1040
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,480
Yes, we're all coming.

1041
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,200
The keeper and Damon that will be there.

1042
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,120
We leave the next day for our trip.

1043
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:36,120
Yeah, we're going.

1044
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,120
Where are we going?

1045
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,120
Pagosa Springs, Colorado.

1046
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,720
We were gifted because this is Pastor Appreciation Month.

1047
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:43,720
Yes.

1048
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:45,600
And an anonymous person or church.

1049
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:51,960
We know who it is, but gifted us with a cabin out in Pagosa Springs, Colorado on this beautiful

1050
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,640
ranch that's a retreat center.

1051
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,600
And so we're going to go out there to celebrate our thirty first anniversary.

1052
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,400
And it's the week of Thanksgiving.

1053
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,200
We'll be off anyway.

1054
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,200
We'll be off.

1055
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,520
So it's going to be beautiful.

1056
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,720
So we'll thank we'll celebrate Thanksgiving.

1057
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,160
We'll be thankful.

1058
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,680
Celebrate our anniversary in the Rocky Mountains.

1059
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,480
Super excited about that.

1060
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,440
Last thing, Sir Brian, I says thank you both for your guidance.

1061
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:17,720
Sir Brian, we love you, man.

1062
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:20,120
Looking forward to hugging your neck and seeing you soon.

1063
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:25,160
Now we've also got some just some beautiful notes from people who wrote into our website.

1064
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,760
By the way, our website is living up in a down world dot com.

1065
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,200
And you can send us a note.

1066
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,200
You can do a review.

1067
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,720
You can send an email.

1068
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:35,960
You can comment, whatever we would love to hear from you.

1069
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,800
So this is from Ashley Slater.

1070
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,280
Hello, Jimmy and Annette.

1071
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,640
Just want to reach out and say I truly enjoy your podcast.

1072
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,160
I know you two have a lovely friendship with Tina and Adam.

1073
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:50,480
And if all goes as planned, I am going to spend my 40th birthday in Fredericksburg and

1074
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,240
attend your church that Sunday with Tina, Adam and my husband.

1075
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:55,880
Did she say when?

1076
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,640
I don't know yet.

1077
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,120
I sure hope I get to meet you two while we are in town.

1078
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,120
I'm sure we will.

1079
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,560
We'll we'll know.

1080
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:03,840
I am new to faith.

1081
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:04,840
Isn't that beautiful?

1082
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,680
That is actually we're so proud of you.

1083
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:12,480
I have pushed hard against it for many years, but I am definitely being nudged and I'm making

1084
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:18,920
steps toward understanding more fully the difference between having faith and believing

1085
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:23,160
your podcast and the stories you share helping me along in this journey.

1086
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,360
I just wanted to say your podcast is a blessing.

1087
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:27,360
Thank you.

1088
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,160
No crickets today for you guys.

1089
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,160
That's funny.

1090
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,160
That's beautiful.

1091
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,600
Ashley, we are so proud of you.

1092
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,080
40th birthday coming up.

1093
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:39,440
I don't know the date, but I would we would love to meet you and connect and just hug

1094
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,040
your neck and say way to go.

1095
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,640
We're cheering you on.

1096
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,040
So thank you for that beautiful note.

1097
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:45,040
Isn't that cool?

1098
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,560
Oh, and there was one thing we didn't share about Adam that is a breakthrough moment for

1099
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:50,560
us.

1100
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,000
He was able to attend church Sunday morning first service.

1101
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,800
Typically he has to watch it online.

1102
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,360
And Tina attend second service.

1103
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:06,200
But with her being gone, he changed his schedule because he said God's been convicting him

1104
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,800
to be in church.

1105
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:14,640
So he came and it was so good to see my two best friends on the front row, my wife and

1106
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:15,640
Adam.

1107
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,600
And I forgot to compliment him on his teeth.

1108
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,280
His teeth are stunning.

1109
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:26,360
I just was so I think I was just so excited that he was there.

1110
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,880
And he does teeth are fantastic.

1111
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:34,040
And I forgot, Adam, you looked amazing as always.

1112
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,720
But I know you're so happy to have this process finished.

1113
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:38,720
And it's done.

1114
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:40,120
Hopefully it looks fantastic.

1115
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:41,880
Nothing else will ever have to happen.

1116
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,320
Yeah, no, he looks great.

1117
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:52,120
But it was just so amazing for me to be doing what I do preaching those services and see

1118
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,280
my best friend on the front row and then you my other best friend.

1119
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:00,880
I didn't know if he should sit next to you and I should sit on the other side.

1120
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,960
But anyway, I had to say that because I'm so proud of him for being there.

1121
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:11,960
We got another great this is exciting to me but Trinity devil, devil this is her name.

1122
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:18,120
And she wrote in and what Trinity has been a contributor through several months.

1123
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,060
So it was so cool to hear from her.

1124
00:54:20,060 --> 00:54:23,860
So she says, Hello, been listening since episode one, it's finally time to thank you for sharing

1125
00:54:23,860 --> 00:54:25,080
your journey.

1126
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:29,640
You have brought God into the forefront of my life and have nourished my journey in faith

1127
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,480
more than anyone else.

1128
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,640
I'm often moved to tears when I listen to the most recent episode.

1129
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,160
And you were discussing exactly what has been heavy on my heart.

1130
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:44,440
The way God is working through you both as a testimony to his love and awesomeness.

1131
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,720
Thank you both for changing my life.

1132
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:47,720
Oh my gosh.

1133
00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:52,880
Wow, I know I'm just blown away.

1134
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,440
And she shared something a little more personal, so I'm not going to share that just about

1135
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,360
family situation and ask for prayer.

1136
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,880
So I've been praying for that situation.

1137
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:07,060
And she ends with you both are the best and means such a great deal to me.

1138
00:55:07,060 --> 00:55:08,480
Thank you for sharing your life.

1139
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,600
Many thanks and much love Trinity.

1140
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:11,960
So sweet.

1141
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,160
I don't even know how to say what to say.

1142
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,800
I'm almost I'm rarely speechless.

1143
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,920
But Trinity, that is one of those beautiful letters that we've ever received.

1144
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:27,920
And we're so we're so honored, honored and thankful and humbled that that we can help

1145
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,400
you in this journey and be here to encourage you.

1146
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,400
We're here for you.

1147
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,360
And oh, just we want to meet all of you in person.

1148
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,920
Everybody that writes, somehow, some way, we want to meet you.

1149
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:40,920
And so and we've been able to meet some.

1150
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,520
So I think a lot more in the future.

1151
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:44,520
Right?

1152
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:45,520
Here's another one.

1153
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:46,520
This is from Nancy Moore.

1154
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,840
I'm not going to go into all the details on this one, but I'm going to give the highlights.

1155
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,240
She said, You've brought comfort to my son and I.

1156
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:57,640
Oh, and we listen today to your podcast about bent, not broken.

1157
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:58,640
Wow.

1158
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,800
I know that spoke to both of us.

1159
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,320
Know that you are definitely reaching people in a big way.

1160
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,400
You both are certainly helping a young man who has suffered heartbreak.

1161
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,080
He's 20 years old, by the way, multiple times in his young life.

1162
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:16,040
He was baptized Catholic, but is on his own journey with Jesus as he should be.

1163
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,020
Both of you are a part of that, along with Adam and Tina.

1164
00:56:20,020 --> 00:56:25,420
We also watch Bridge Church Services on YouTube, which we both really enjoy.

1165
00:56:25,420 --> 00:56:30,180
And because of the podcast and the services, my son and I have had some awesome conversations

1166
00:56:30,180 --> 00:56:31,960
about Jesus.

1167
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,560
What's most amazing about that is that my son doesn't talk to many people.

1168
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,000
He suffers from a condition.

1169
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,520
He talked to me and his dad, and now it's me.

1170
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:46,200
But I know Jesus is helping him find his voice and his people.

1171
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,580
Thank you both so much for being who you are and doing what you do.

1172
00:56:49,580 --> 00:56:52,160
You are definitely helping us live up in a down world.

1173
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:53,800
Sorry, this was so long.

1174
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,160
She writes, don't be sorry.

1175
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,840
It blesses us.

1176
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:58,840
Blessings to you both.

1177
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,800
And thank you again, Nancy Moore.

1178
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:01,800
Oh, that's beautiful.

1179
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,040
Nancy, thank you and your son, awesome son.

1180
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,200
We are so honored to receive this from you.

1181
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,620
And thank you for showing us some love.

1182
00:57:10,620 --> 00:57:13,120
And that's another way to show values, to write and encourage.

1183
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,760
It's not always about money and dollars and stuff.

1184
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,160
It's about value is bigger than money.

1185
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,160
It's more about the heart.

1186
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:21,160
The heart.

1187
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:22,160
Thank you.

1188
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,160
Thank you so much, Nancy.

1189
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:28,840
By the way, Nancy, I've spent time in prayer for you specifically about the situation and

1190
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,280
lifting you and your son up.

1191
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,280
Thank you.

1192
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:33,280
Gosh, doesn't that mean?

1193
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:34,280
Doesn't that blow your mind?

1194
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:35,720
One last one.

1195
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,320
This is from Sir Bia's Grace.

1196
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:38,320
I love David Wicker.

1197
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:39,320
I do too.

1198
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:40,320
I want to meet him.

1199
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:41,320
David's become a buddy.

1200
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:42,320
We've got to meet.

1201
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:43,320
He's become a bro.

1202
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:44,320
We've got to meet.

1203
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:45,320
He's a bro.

1204
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:46,880
David, thank you so much.

1205
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,920
He writes often, so we get a lot of things going back and forth.

1206
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,160
But I just want to share this.

1207
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,160
It's so encouraging.

1208
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:57,640
He says, you don't need to hear this from me, but great sermon yesterday.

1209
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:02,200
So he watches our podcast from Bridge Church.

1210
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,860
He says, I have, I think, a new routine for Sunday.

1211
00:58:06,860 --> 00:58:10,160
After I worship and serve at 1122, that's the church he attends.

1212
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,160
It's called 1122.

1213
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,720
I jump in the truck and kick your sermon on.

1214
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,280
I walk Greta.

1215
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:17,960
I walk with Greta, I think.

1216
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,880
Yeah, I walk with Greta and finish yours while walking.

1217
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,560
You preached on one of my favorites.

1218
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,920
I love that event in our Bible, the Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.

1219
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:27,920
We just talked about it.

1220
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,080
And I've always learned it to be a Christophany.

1221
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,360
I've always heard and been taught that the other in the fire was Jesus.

1222
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:35,480
I love your take.

1223
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:36,880
We don't know.

1224
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,320
We do know it happened.

1225
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:39,920
You did a very great job.

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Again, for what it's worth, I was stoked for you and your congregation, which included

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me and Greta.

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He says, this technology has done a lot of harm, but what the enemy meant for evil, think

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how fast the lie of coronavirus infected our earth.

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That's how fast all can hear his gospel.

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That's a cool, good take.

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Good take, David.

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We all saw the lie spread like wildfire.

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How about the truth?

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We're with you, brother.

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You better preach.

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And then he says, come Lord Jesus, the grace of the Lord Jesus be with all, serve by his

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grace.

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Do you really believe that?

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It's so good.

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That's wonderful.

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Do you really believe that?

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Wow.

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Thanks, David.

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Listen, that's the end of our show.

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And I mean, what a privilege.

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Are you going to sneeze?

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I see a sneeze building right now.

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Don't do it.

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Don't do it.

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It's like the more you think about the more it's probably going to happen.

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That's true.

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Hey, we love you guys.

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Do check out our website, livingupinadownworld.com.

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And you can also listen to all of our messages and our worship service at bridgefbg.com.

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Bridgefbg.com.

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Come check us out.

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We love you.

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She's about to.

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She's right there.

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She's trying not to.

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We love you.

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Have a great week on purpose.