Hello, my gorgeous, amazing, incredible, fantastic,
powerful everyday women of the world. Welcome
to another episode of the Startup Stories podcast,
where the ambitious woman, where the ambitious
everyday woman is heard, held, and served in
life and in business, in her heart, in her soul,
in her community. Everywhere! Because it's so
much bigger than just living in any one part
of who you are and what you want to experience
in this time on earth. As you know, bringing
you very relatable stories to keep you sane,
grounded, and growing as you expand yourself
and deliver your purpose to the world. And I'm
very excited, as always! today to bring you a
beautiful guest, a fellow Canadian hailing from
the other side of the country in my birth town,
Montreal, where I arrived through the portal
to this world. So Urmi Hussein is joining us
and why I'm excited is obviously the conversation
that we're gonna have. But also because she found
me and she directly reached out to book podcast
recording and there's already a lot of alignment
in our two worlds, right? Like this women in
leadership that you're a part of is a whole new
community that I've never heard of. So I'm excited
to know you and continue our relationship beyond
the podcast and explore that stuff. But you guys,
what's really wonderful And here's where the
feels already start, is that Rumi is here to
share and to serve from her heart to yours around
the woman that she is choosing to be now in order
to encourage and be evidence to you that your
heart's desires are possible now and they're
not based on any external condition or outcome.
It's a choice that you make. In her own words
she just said in a bit of the preamble that she
was inspired by celebrities and she decided that
she could be like that too and I'm adding now.
You can do it now in so many different ways.
So welcome to the show and thank you for coming
here to have this conversation. Thank you. Thank
you for having me. You're so welcome. So why
don't you open up with telling a little bit about
who you are and what your life contains and then
we can delve into the passions of your heart.
Yes. So my name is Rumi. I am Indeed, based in
Montreal, in the other side of the world from
where you are. And I like to consider myself
a woman who wears many hats, with many passions,
many hobbies. I always say that, you know, there
is the nine to five, but then there is the five
to nine. In my five to nine, I do a lot of these
things, such as, you know, I like to give back
a lot to the community. So I do a lot of volunteer
work, mainly in relation to women's empowerment.
I do a lot of female mentorship. I mentor a lot
of women. I'm also a published author, speaker,
YouTuber. blogger, and part of this women in
leadership organization. I'm part of the Victoria
chapter as the social media lead. Yeah, beautiful.
And that was like such a beautiful anchor to
connect us locally on my end. And then it's kind
of fun that I can throw back that I was born
where you live now. And like, you know, at these
ages and stages to come and find each other through
something like the show. So that is a lot of
hats while working a full -time job in like a
very, I'm going to say demanding industry, right,
in the financial sector. So I love, I just love
when I have guests who are a lot like me because
I have a nine to five job too. I work in local
government. I deal with neighbors who complain
about each other. That's fun. But while I'm there,
I get to express myself through my work as well.
And then I just, I choose to make time for these
other things. So why don't you share with us
like, you know, how, but it's not really how
it's who, what kind of woman do we choose to
be in order to be able to create those things
that we're not waiting for them to come at a
certain time. Yeah, so basically I chose to be
a very multi -talented person. This is how I
would define it. I want to be a woman that not
only wears many hats but has multiple talents
and a lot of the things that I mentioned I didn't
know any of it, you know, like when it comes
to doing YouTube, blogging, creating your book.
and stuff like that. I had no knowledge of it,
literally no knowledge of it. I had to use YouTube
to find out how to do a lot of these things.
I had to research some of these things, but I
had this end goal, which is I wanna be all of
these things and I wanna learn all of these things
because I didn't wanna just be a corporate girl.
I wanted to be a bit more than that. And especially
after reading many books, I feel like what happens
with us is that we tend to typically work a nine
-to -five job and then that's it. This is how
we find meaning to our life. But I feel like
then you come to a point where you're like, okay,
this feels very meaningless. You feel there is
a void and you want to fill this void with something
a bit more meaningful where you feel like, okay,
there must be a purpose in my life. And there
was this book that I read, which is called the
Igikai. I don't know if you're familiar with
the whole concept of the Igikai, which is basically...
Yeah, it's a Japanese concept that tells you
about your reason of being. And after reading
the book, I feel like I had, you know, a call,
I feel like, okay, I think I have this interest,
this passions and it's it's up to me to basically
untap in all of these things and to explore them
and see where they bring me. And so I feel like
a lot of these things that I do like blogging,
YouTube, they all started from my own curiosity.
And then I realized that this is the path I want
to continue on. It is a lot of, you know, demand,
especially if you work in like a nine to five
job, because you have to find the time. But it's
also about managing your time properly, being
good at time management, being good at organizational
skills, having have everything, you know, planned
for you during the week. And if you're able to
stick to the plan, then then you are able to
accomplish all of these things. And one thing
that I can definitely say is that doing all of
these things, they bring you a lot more accomplishment
and fulfillment than just your nine to five job.
Yeah. And it's so beautiful to also live in what
is possible even if you have a job because you
know I used to think that having a job was a
limitation and a lot of my entrepreneurial friends
don't have jobs they just have their businesses.
I've grown to embrace both. I love having both.
I love having this robust life that offers the
multifaceted things that keep me really feeling
alive. And what I really want to pull out, as
you said it so beautifully, I don't just want
to be a corporate girl. There's more to this
life. And you don't have to choose one thing
over the other. I think we froze. You don't have
to choose just one thing over the other. You
can have it all and you can do it now by being
intentional. You just okay, I was about to message
you There we go, okay. Sorry glitches glitches
happen. We're used to them here at powerful ink.
So we're me was saying how There's the intentional
choice to live the life that you want to live
and If you're yearning for it, then seek it until
it starts to come into your day to day and don't
be limited by the current structure or format
of your life. Like you said, it would be so beautiful.
I didn't want to just be a corporate girl. And
you don't have to be. Even if you have kids,
even if you have other commitments, aging parents,
people that you're depending on you, there, here
it comes. There's always time for your soul to
be expressed in your life. Yes, definitely. And
this is also one thing that I try to tell other
people, other women. And I feel like there is
a lot more women who are doing that. They are
really taking They're using their time to do
other things. I think maybe you might not be
running a business or maybe you might not be
writing a book, but you're part of communities.
And I think that too is very important. There
is a group, Women in Leadership, but there are
so many other groups out there. I am part of
running groups just for women. I'm part of book
clubs. Those are things that really nurture your
soul. Just being part of a book club where you
are sharing your ideas, where you're talking
about the books that you love, where you're hearing
from other people and the book that they love.
Those are really important because social connection
is equally important. It's part of your investing
in yourself. It's important for your mental being.
It's important for so many things. It's not just,
OK, I'm just socializing. It's really about you
learn from other people. And so I do really think
that I do see a little bit of more of a shift
where people, especially women, are really They
really want to work on themselves and they don't
want to be just associated with the job title.
There is a lot more than that. And they want
to be associated with different things. They
want to be seen as multifaceted. It's not just
I'm a housewife. It's not just that I work in
this place. I'm also a lot more than that. And
I think that there are many ways that women can
do that. So this is such a already a broader
opening to the whole woman and the whole life
that she lives. But we're not here to just invest
in ourselves to grow a business that makes a
gazillion dollars and reaches every single human
on the planet. It's the impact of where you move
in your town from your home to the grocery store
to the school to the library to the running groups.
All these places are places of impact and in
yourself are different places that need to be
filled and they don't all need to be about proving
or striving or achieving can do them just for
the beauty of doing them and get that like soul
sunshine. feeling. Yeah, I just pursuing for
joy. That's it. That's it. And I think you said
it really nicely. It's, it's just for that pursuit
of joy. And you said impact, you know, I think
everyone wants to make an impact in in this,
in this lifetime. And you all want to inspire,
we all want to leave a mark. And I think this
is it, you know, it's never it's not always about
You know, making a lot of money, being rich,
I think it's able to change someone's life, which
could be through an action. It could be through
a message. It could be through a smile and you
see the benefits of it afterwards. You're like,
okay, today I feel like I made a difference in
someone's life. So what did this journey start
to look like after you read that book? And if
you guys don't know about Ikagi, Google it, because
I was looking around for me because I have a
graphic of it, but it's on the bulletin board
downstairs. Yeah, yeah. So another synchronicity,
but it's three circles that align sort of the
trinity of self to have a meaningful life. And
if you're not sure what that is, you know, don't
give up on yourself is just all I want to say
here, but I want you to take us through how you
started to shift the way that you were showing
up in your day -to -day after that book landed
so deeply. Yeah, so actually I read that book
a couple of years ago and it was a very interesting
book and there was also a documentary not exactly
about the Iggy guy, but it was about Basically,
the book, it's about a group of people that these
are like Japanese, these are Japanese people
who live in Japan. And it talks about how they
are reaching their Igikai. And they live in this
island and they call it the Blue Zones. I don't
know if you're familiar with the whole concept
of the Blue Zones. So basically, they're talking
about how The people who live in the blues and
have a certain kind of lifestyle where basically
they enjoy themselves. They're in the present.
They, you know, they, they, they, they take on
their hobbies and they do a lot of manual work.
So they talk about some of them doing gardening,
some others doing sewing and some other growing,
you know, fruits and vegetables and, you know,
uh, in a farm and things like that. And it was,
it was very like explained in a very simple manner,
how doing just something very basic, it can have
a meaningful impact in your life and it can be
a long term happiness. And so after reading the
book, I was like, I want to do something like
that too. I was like, me too, I want to achieve
that. And it was already seeing how I was doing
some of these things, to be honest, you know,
like I always followed my heart. I always followed
my intuition. I always did whatever I felt like
doing. You know, if there's something that I
wanted to start, I would do it. And for me, the
process was really a step -by -step thing, meaning
that, you know, I'm curious about creating a
website. I'm going to go ahead and do it. So
I would do that. And then let's say I was curious
about creating, I don't know, a YouTube video,
then I would go ahead and do it. A lot of these
things were unknown to me. I had no one to help
me. I did not, you know, had any editing materials.
No, no, no way. No way. And I just learned from
it. There was like a trial and error and it was
a learning curve. You know, every time there
was a way for me to improve myself, like even
with videos, even with like creating ebooks.
And that's how it started. It was a very slow
process where it started with like with one step
at the time. And just to see where it would lead
you without necessarily having an agenda or an
expectation of something else coming out of it.
That's it. We had no expectation of where this
was leading me. It was just, let's see. Let's
see where it goes. And somehow everything just
was puzzled together for me to then... create
what it is right now, my personal brand, you
know, like I think when people look at me, they
already can associate me with different words,
you know, as multifaceted and multidimensional,
multicultural, you know, all these things. And
this was at the end, my end goal, but it was
not something that I knew I was going to do.
It just came on later on when I started to develop
a bit more this whole branding. So that is like
the pursuit of freedom. and of impact for the
sake of curiosity. And I love that because it
reduces this attachment or this scarcity chasing,
you know, it's just for to see where it leads
and to see what comes of it and how you change.
And so then, say, what was your first video or
blog based around? And how did your kind of heart's
message start to be revealed? My first video,
it was a 10 minutes video where I'm recording
on this computer. I'm just staring at it. no
microphone or anything. And I'm just saying a
bunch of things. Like, basically, I was giving
tips on how to pass an exam in finance. And I
was just seeing a bunch of things. And then I
was like, okay, I think I make sense. And then
I uploaded it. And I got 10 ,000 views. I was
like, there's no editing, there's no nothing.
And people liked it. I was like, okay, I guess
I can take that as the first sign of something
that I'm meant to be doing. And so after getting
that feedback through the likes and people commenting
it, I was like, okay, This is it. This is it.
I'm going to keep continue doing this. And this
is what I've been doing. Like I've been doing
videos and I incorporate interviews with other
people, but like I've upgraded since then. Like
I have a microphone now, for instance, I also
have a software tool to like edit stuff and that
I had to learn it. And so there was always a
learning process. That's so beautiful. And like
what a turnaround from one 10 minute video was
pretty amazing. And now fine tuning into the
personal brand around female empowerment, right?
So a much broader message that led to publishing
a book, self -published, did you say? Yeah. Self
-published book. Well, why don't we talk a little
bit about that? Because here is what's happening,
you guys, if you're not picking it up. Rumi was
placing breadcrumbs, right? And or following
them kind of happening synchronously at the same
time. She's kind of going here and things are
happening. She's leaning into it and going there.
And just very open to the point where in a few
years time, she's built a very successful personal
brand is now speaking now can, you know, hang
her one of her hats on her book and delve into
with great credibility, other environments of
influence to continue to reach people and get
that message. And that probably wasn't the vision
that you had when you started. No, not at all.
Not at all. And even the whole personal branding
thing, there was really not much that I knew
about it. Like, literally, I didn't know even
what the word personal branding meant. Like,
I think I had this notion that branding is all
about selling a product, like all the companies
do, you know, like Apple selling Apple iPhones
and, you know, selling the cars. This is what
I used to think. But then I realized that You
know, there is something that each person can
give and it doesn't have to be always a product.
It could be you as a person, you know, you as
a person bring knowledge value to people and
you could be a brand too. And that's how I realized
the whole importance of personal branding. And
I unintentionally built it. Because I think someone
once told me, Oh, yeah, I think people like you
because you know, as soon as they Google you,
they can see all the things that you do. I'm
like, Google me. And then I started to Google
myself. There's so much about me out there. But
I was happy of what I was seeing, because everything
was aligned with what I wanted people to know.
You know, everything was aligned. You know, this
girl, she likes public speaking, she's in finance,
she does things in relation to women's empowerment,
she's a self -published author. And so I feel
like everything was aligned and I was able to
show also my authentic self out there. And I
realized that personal branding is even more
important when you're working in the corporate
job, when you have a corporate job, because you
can change companies. But your personal branding
will always be there with you. You will always
carry it, no matter where you go. It's portable,
you know? And especially when you work in the
corporate world, when people are looking up for
potential candidates to hire and they're uncertain,
I'm pretty sure everyone is Googling you, not
just on LinkedIn, everywhere. And I think seeing
that you have these extra things really help
to make a final decision. Yeah, it sets you a
bit ahead of others when you show great commitment.
And so then is your personal brand compatible
with your nine to five, or is it not at all different?
It's totally different, but I'm able to use some
of the skills that I have that I gained through
my five to nine in my nine to five. Yeah. And
I'm very curious about a thread that I feel like
I'm hearing in between here around you keeping
yourself, I'm going to use the word clean, from
the influences of the internet to sort of dictate
you need to where you should or do this in order
to get that. Like, you know, did you start to
work with coaches or really stay true to your
own, yeah, nice to your own path? Yeah, my own
part, no coaches, no nothing. No, no, no, no,
no. It's my own thing only do it yourself type
of thing. Because I feel like when you have a
coach, because I was I many people thought that
I was a coach myself. And I was like, No, I'm
not. Because I think with coaching is great.
Because they help you to achieve your goals.
and get to your destination but it's not always
what you want to do I feel like you know I think
sometimes you want to you want to have that freedom
of choosing and you want to have that freedom
of making an error and you don't want to have
Commitment. Sometimes I would say, you know,
like if you want to be like, okay, I don't want
to do this anymore. You don't want to do this.
I feel like if you have a coach that I hope who
helps you to reach it and then you decide to
give up, I feel like you would feel bad about
it. You know, it's like you're betraying yourself.
And so no, no coaching, no nothing. I learned
everything through books, YouTube, reading stuff,
observing other people. Well, and then doing
it. Yes. And then doing it. Right. We're not
just sitting back Netflix. Netflix, binging our
desires for life. We have to take action and
imperfect action, of course, in order to see
a result and then use that as data to adjust
and keep moving. How did it feel? What did it
do? Did I like it? Would I do it differently?
Now, I'm a coach. and a lot of listeners may
or may not be and I love this perspective because
it sends a message that and it's so cliche but
if it's meant to be it's up to me and let that
really be an empowering statement to hold deep
in your heart listeners so that you don't again
you don't need an external circumstance or person
to take you along you can very lovingly and consciously
choose that journey but it is possible because
if it is going to happen this one of my analogies
no one can lose the weight for you you have to
do the heavy lifting right yeah go ahead go ahead
Yeah, and this is the thing. I am my own coach.
Yeah, I am my own coach. And I think not everyone
can do that. Like, I think for you to be your
own coach, you need to be disciplined. I think
it's the discipline and I think for me it was
never hard to be a disciplined person like I
was always when I was in university even after
when I started to work and I was doing all this
designation in finance like I was always very
disciplined, very consistent, I have a clear
goal in my mind and I'm doing the same thing
even here like even the fact that I'm let's say
creating YouTube videos, I could just give up
on it. You know, I could, but then I think about,
okay, but why did I start this, you know? And
so I'm very disciplined. I stick to the plan.
I'm very consistent. And I've seen how it's hard.
This is why, like, even with podcasting, I've
seen so many people that they start with their
show. And then I think after a season, they're
like, okay, I'm done with this. I can't take
it. I can't take it anymore, you know? And it's
sad. because I always feel like you're betraying
yourself doing that yeah that's how I see it
yeah you're letting go of a dream that was very
real yes you could pivot but the disservice is
sometimes when we start something It's not about
us at all. We're just the vessel in order for
that message to come through. And if you're going
to birth things, you have a bit of a responsibility
to see them through. People need you to go first
so that they can go first for somebody else and
for themselves. Yeah, yeah, that's that's how
I see it. You know, like if you create something,
you have to stick to it until the end. Yeah.
And, you know, give it enough time as well. to
exist and become something, you know, like, I'm
like, I'm doing okay with the podcast, but I'm
still in such the baby stages year two, haven't
had 100 yet probably will this year, but it's
still ongoing. But what I'm finding even in this
conversation is I have zero desire to ever stop
because I'm constantly blown away by the beauty
of the conversations that happen and how they
feed and change me, which allows me to then go
out and continue that ripple effect through this
one modality, never mind the other ones that
I use. Yeah, and that's also the other thing.
It's that If you give up on something, you know,
that you have started, then it makes you the
same as other people as well who give up on a
project. And I don't like to be someone who gives
up. I don't like to be like that. Like I want
to be someone who goes, I want to actually, I
want to be considered an achiever who likes a
go -getter. There you go. And so I always think
about that word go -getter. Yeah, because it's
feeding you, right? And it's growing your life's
impact. That word really landed hard. And you
guys, she put it together in the preamble as
the humanitarian impact that she's here to do,
which is such a broader vision to have than doing
something in order to get. You know, when you
have a pure intention like that, you're going
to have a return on your investment air quotes,
but it's it's so much bigger than monetary like
you were saying. And then, of course, it's going
to increase your desire to stay in it and keep
creating more of that impact. Yes. And you said
it right. You know, investing in yourself. That's
exactly what I do. I invest in myself. I invest
my time. in myself, in learning things, in being
able to create things. Because, you know, there's
all the investment part where you invest money,
you know, in the markets, you want to make money,
but there is a lot more than that. You know,
there's also investing in yourself because you
or me, like each person in this world should
see themselves. as an asset, something to nurture,
something to put the money and time and effort
in. That's why I never feel bad when it comes
to, let's say, trying a yoga session with a group
of people and maybe you have to spend $50 in
it because there are many benefits out of it.
There's community, you network with people, you're
socializing, you're moving your body. There's
so many. things that you wouldn't get if you
were just alone, you know? So that's one thing,
for instance. Like even recently, I went to this
workshop, which is a latte art workshop. I don't
know if you're familiar with it. So basically
what you do is they teach you how to make designs
on a latte. So it was my first time. And yes,
of course, everything comes, you know, it's not
for free. But I was like, I loved it. I honestly
loved it. I was like, this is This is amazing,
you know, and so you learn things about yourself
to things that you're not good at things that
you're good at and things that you know, you
never know can happen. Maybe I will become a
barista one day. I don't know. I hope so. You
know, so like there's you can you get to discover
yourself as well by doing by trying different
things and exploring yourself. I'm melting listening
to this because it's so accessible. That's the
whole point. It's so accessible. And I just need
to restate for the listeners so that you hear
it again. You are an asset. You are here on purpose.
You have a good heart and you have an impact
to make. We all have different levels of impact.
That's beyond our control. We're not all going
to be pink. We're not all going to be Oprah or
Mother Teresa. And we're not all going to be
Jane and Betty and Tom and Sam who work in various
businesses and stores and roles in our communities.
We're going to be exactly ourselves. we can continuously,
this is beautiful, we can continuously create
a growing impact. There's actually no limit between
ourselves and, you know, pick your favorite celebrity
or unknown impact maker. There's no difference
other than continuing to choose and somewhat
relentlessly pursue that. right? Until it happens.
But again, just the beautiful simplicity that
we can do that in our day to day. And how much
is available? Like what? Nine -ish billion people
on the planet right now living nine -ish billion
different comparable, but different life experiences.
A latte art class. Like how hilarious and wonderful
and free, right? Just free. Like, it doesn't
even have to be a series, just go and do it to
do it. My claim to fame will share, I did hockey,
I did women's hockey, mom hockey. It was a freaking
riot, and I discovered a different part of myself
than in you was there, because I love kickboxing.
It was very like, let all of that pull out, right?
I want to destroy the bag, the kicking bag. But
in the hockey, something I'm like, I'm athletic,
hockey, oh my God. And we had a hoot for six
weeks. All these moms played our little hearts
out, laughed our butts off, went for beer and
food after, lived in that community. Now I get
to hold that experience forever. I don't have
to keep it up. That's the other piece of this
is like doing it. I love this as a as a patch
on the quilt as you build your life. Right. Yes.
Yes. It doesn't have to be like you joke. Maybe
you'll become a barista, but you can just go
and do this and then let it go and carry on to
do something else too. Yes. So here's the other
thing that we share. I do boxing. I do boxing
and And that too was, I don't know how to explain
it. Like, cause I tend to work out a lot. Like
I do running, I do HIIT workouts, bootcamp and
stuff like that. And then one day I was like,
okay, let's go and try boxing. I'm telling you,
I just fell in love with it. I just fell in love
with it. And then every time I'm around, I tell
people I do boxing. They're like, wow. I mean,
it's what you choose to do with your time, you
know, at the end of the day, you know, you're
just making a conscious decision of using your
time towards something. So I also do boxing and
it's a very amazing experience. It is. And like
for me, it releases so much what my body's holding.
Yeah. And that's what I love. And if I can find
the right environment, because this one class
I took, like I literally wanted to destroy the
punching bag, but I couldn't because a darling
older woman was holding it and like, I don't
want to hurt her. But but you know, you think
about what we're holding, and it needs to come
out so that and I would have never known. Same
with hockey, I would have never known if I didn't
try. And now I'm very connected to something
that feels so good for me. And we don't know
what we're missing if we don't try it for whatever
it is, for whatever it is at all. So Remy, I'd
love to know then, you know, how much you notice
the changed woman that you are and where you're
leading her to next. I definitely see myself
Much more empowered confident and knowledgeable
Someone who's not afraid to say no or afraid
to say yes, you know, it depends on the situation
but always very, very open to trying different
things. If there is an experience to try, I'm
the first one who doesn't say, no, I don't want
to do it. I'm not sure this and that. I'm not
that kind of person. I'm like, let's do it. Let's
go and try it. So I'm very adventurous in that
sense. And I definitely want to have or want
to keep this side of me because I feel like by
being adventurous and by staying curious, I was
able to evolve into this kind of person that
I am today. And I can see the growth. You know,
they say, you know, you're not the same person
as you were 10 years ago. I often reflect on
that and reflect on that. And it's true. I'm
not the same person. I'm much more knowledgeable
and I'm much more confident who's really not
afraid of trying things. And how has that changed
in like your your immediate world and relationships?
I would say much better because I feel like I'm
perceived in a different way too from people,
you know, like people, like, let's say like my
niece or, you know, like people around me, they
can, they say it, oh my gosh, you know, my aunt,
she does so many great things. And so, you know,
I feel like I'm able to inspire even the next
generations, you know, like, This is what I want
to do. Like I want other people, especially girls
around me or women around me to live boldly their
life and to aspire to be something bigger and
to do different things. And so I can see how
people around me are perceiving me. I can see
how it's making them think. But I also feel like
around me and around the people that I work with
every day, I'm able to be myself. Yeah. And I'm
not afraid of saying things. Yeah. So this kind
of encapsulates this idea of really feeling safe
to be who you really are with yourself. Yeah.
And then to let the world respond to you the
way that they will hopefully in a positive way.
but that it really starts with you and you hold
that. And I love this evolution because, you
know, getting bigger and being more you is kind
of like a, it's in a spiritual way. And so it
doesn't necessarily mean that you or I in two
years time have upgraded our house. Now go for
regular hair blowouts now. have fake eyelashes
or a personal trainer or a personal chef, which
actually would be super wonderful. I have somebody
doing food, but you know that it's not. I always
kind of have a bit of a hard time. So maybe you
can help me articulate this element of being
more, but it's really like just being, I don't
know, shining brighter or some cliche of that
kind. I would say feeling internally rich. Beautiful.
Yes. This is because I'm a finance person. All
I think about like being rich, internally rich.
There you go. You know, that's yes. Internal
satisfaction for ex internal. How's my saying
going now? Internal expansion for external satisfaction.
It's one of those two internal satisfaction anyway
When you feel good inside when you feel full
inside Even when crap happens in life You won't
necessarily fall apart Right because you're you're
really serving Not just in a moment in in in
a way of keeping yourself satiated and rich so
much more than any materialistic type of outcome.
That's it. That's right. Exactly. Yes, definitely.
Beautiful. Well this has been a very rich conversation.
Just so much beauty and like we're new to each
other and and just being able to navigate that
and make it so real. So Urmi, will you have some
fun with me here at the end and challenge our
listeners to go out and try something new? I
don't care what it is. Go and do something new
and then reach out to Urmi or to me and share
what it is. Send this podcast to your best friends.
Say, accountability challenge. We're taking this.
Tango class. Well, I have two left feet. Well,
too bad because me and Urmi are waiting for us
to tell them that we did something different.
So take charge of your life and go out there
and play. Do something and then make it real.
Come back to us and let us know what it was because
we want to hear. We want to celebrate that with
you. And then we want to keep the wind in your
sails to keep you going. Yes, definitely. There
is a quotation I want to read because this is
on my phone. It says, all done so it says the
cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you
seek yes read it again it says the cave you fear
to enter holds the treasure you seek guys if
you want it go freaking get it yes If you actually
want it, do it. Yes. Do it for yourself, not
for anybody else. Do it for yourself to get that
reward because you, you, you'll be like, why
didn't I go in there sooner? Why didn't I do
that? Just take a step. So we can't wait to hear
what you guys do. Anything big or small. There's
no. There's no hierarchy, there's no judgment.
It's to enter that cave, enter that cave and
come back and share it with us. And I'll share
Urmi's socials and all of that so you can find
her and they'll be in the show notes. And if
you have any other closing remarks, we'd love
to hear them. I wish I had more, but I don't.
Well, that one was pretty profound. Like I've
got cheers and chills, so. I think we can, we
can sit in that. How long are we going to stand
outside that cave staring at it going, I want
it, I want it, but I'm too scared to go in. Yes.
No, yes. No, no, no. I agree. I agree. Now, like,
I feel like this quote, I listened, I listened
to this in a podcast. And when I heard it, I
was like, interesting. Interesting, because everything
is dark, right? Every single cave you wanna go
in is dark. And once you go inside, you never
know, there might be a lot of things that you
can find, you know, you can find gold. Yeah,
absolutely. Gorgeous. Awesome. Thank you. What
a conversation. I'm like, I'm just thriving.
So we'll be in touch and have a great rest of
your day. Thank you. Thank you.