1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Hello, hello, hello, my beautiful, everyday powerful women of the world. 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,360 Welcome to the Startup Stories podcast where women who are seeking more of themselves through 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:20,480 purpose and business are heard, held, and served. Powerful Startup Stories brings you relatable 4 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:27,760 stories to keep you sane, grounded, and growing as you deliver your purpose and grow your business. 5 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:34,160 And you guys, if I were a fancier, I would have been playing Dancing Queen by Abba for you to 6 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:38,800 welcome the one and the only disco queen, Ms. Karen Cooper. 7 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,960 You're historical, you're historical, thank you. By the way, that was the most soothing voice 8 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:50,880 ever. Literally to welcome her to the stage. Karen and I met through a group coaching program 9 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:57,200 a couple of years ago. I think we were in the same cohort and she's just such a little fireball. 10 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:04,000 And so for the last few years, we've seen each other grow and expand and serve and explore the 11 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:09,680 world through our new identity. And I couldn't stand it anymore. I finally said, Karen, you've 12 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:15,360 got to come on the show. I love what's happening. And let's talk about what your journey's been and 13 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:23,280 who you are, from who you've been to who you're becoming. And take us through some of your history 14 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:32,400 because you've really, you just had a birthday, so happy belated official and happy birthday 15 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:38,880 live time. But you have this gorgeous post around looking back to your 16-year-old self. So let's 16 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:47,040 dive into some of that today and let's just share to you that Karen invested in herself and in her 17 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:54,960 evolution and then invested further in becoming a trauma-informed mindset coach to allow for other 18 00:01:54,960 --> 00:02:00,720 women to go through that journey too with somebody who really knows. Like Karen's really gone through 19 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:06,880 the meat of life to get to this point, right? So welcome, welcome, welcome sweetheart. I'm so thrilled. 20 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,720 You're so on. Any new? 21 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:22,160 You're so on. Any nuances? We're not hiding anything here, right? So what was it that first 22 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:31,120 drew you to invest in mind magic? Like how did you find that and what were you going through 23 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:38,560 at that time that was pulling you ahead? I was a year and a half out of corporate. So my 24 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:44,160 short version of the story is I used to work in corporate and I was freelancing at NBC and my 25 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:51,360 contract ended two weeks after COVID hit. And I was in my early 50s and not interested in finding 26 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:56,160 another job. So the network marketing business that I was doing on the side, I decided to do that 27 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:03,120 full time. So I became an accidental entrepreneur in doing so about a year into it. I'm like, I have 28 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:09,840 no idea what I'm doing. I have no idea who I am and I know I need, I know how I'm the problem. 29 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:16,400 It's me. Like I knew that intuitively and I knew I needed a deeper dive and I was doing personal 30 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:22,960 development but I knew I needed a deeper dive. Serendipitously, our mentor Tracy Litt showed up 31 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:29,920 on a training call through my network marketing. So that is how I was introduced to her and she 32 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:34,560 started cursing and she was from New Jersey and I live in New York and I'm from Brooklyn. I live 33 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:40,400 in Staten Island and I was like sold. Like whatever she was doing, I was sold. And so that began. 34 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:50,240 That's how the journey began. That's awesome. Like a divine opportunity, right? Where you guys, 35 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:58,320 this gets me every time. But if you don't show up, then the person who needs you 36 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:06,480 has to continue waiting. And like Karen, how much pain were you in? How much constriction were you 37 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:16,000 in? Like praying for a miracle, praying for somebody like Tracy? It was, okay, I'll put it this way. 38 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:23,360 I'm someone who had a really bad money story and I was scared, and we love to curse on this thing, 39 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:29,840 I was scared shitless to spend any kind of money. Like when I first purchased my nutrition system, 40 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,880 that was 300 plus dollars. I was like, oh my god, that was like the most money I had ever really 41 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:42,480 spent on myself, for me, like to invest in me. So I was at that point where I was like, I know I 42 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:48,800 need to do something big. So I was in, I was in, I would say my pain was probably a 10 out of 10 43 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:56,480 at that point. Yeah. Yeah. And then here comes this woman who, and the reason this is so important, 44 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:03,040 you guys, is because whatever you're feeling, you're making it about you. And instead, 45 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:12,400 I'm shocking. Yes. Okay, we're not children anymore. Yes, we are. Yet we are crying to just walk to 46 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:19,200 nurse. But when we do that, we make it about ourselves instead of making about the woman 47 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:29,280 or person, that together we can grow. Because when a coach says yes to her gifts in her heart 48 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:39,280 and shows up for others, the real impact is when the others come into that space. Right. So here 49 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:48,640 we are always pushing out, out thinking it's about you. But what you're actually doing is 50 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:53,600 smashing through another brick wall for everybody that's going to come with you. You have a huge 51 00:05:53,600 --> 00:06:00,880 following. You know, network marketing is, for me, it was really uncomfortable because I hate sales, 52 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:08,960 and I hate like, pushy, but anyway, it's a whole, whole piece of my puzzle to work through. But when 53 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:17,840 you said yes to yourself, you started to unlock new opportunities and new frequencies, right. 54 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:24,000 So then you say yes to that commitment, you start that journey, and your whole life starts 55 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:37,120 to unravel what's happening now. Kicking and screaming. Yes. Resistance. Because the inner work 56 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:44,000 is inner work. We can make it fun and yes, it's ridiculous, but it's also not sexy, and it's 57 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:50,080 not pretty some of the times that you have to do. And the fact is that you also, that the facing 58 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:56,720 the reality that some of it is you. Taking responsibility for your own actions when it's 59 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:03,840 so much more fun to blame others. Way more fun, but it doesn't serve anybody by doing that is 60 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:09,680 what I've learned. So I was honestly, it was a shock. I'm not even lying about that. It was a 61 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:18,480 very big shock when I really started diving deeper into the inner work. But what I soon found out 62 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:27,520 was how not even just powerful, but how necessary it was. It said my pain was 10 out of a 10. I knew 63 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:36,320 I needed to make a change and a drastic one at that in order to evolve. And I didn't know what 64 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:41,520 that's what it was at the time. Like I didn't understand like that was like what I was doing. 65 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:48,080 I just knew I need I couldn't go on any longer with what I was doing. That's what I knew. And so 66 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:55,600 unlocking the power within me that I didn't know I had because I didn't feel enough and I didn't 67 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:03,120 feel worthy and I didn't feel deserving at all. And to know that wait a minute I am whole and worthy 68 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:09,680 because I exist. Not necessarily believing it at that time, but even having that like as a like a 69 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:16,160 bubble like bubble above me is like, oh, that's interesting to know. And uncovering the layers 70 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:21,600 of all the things that made me who I was then. Yeah, it was very interesting and it made a lot of sense. 71 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:33,280 At a very young age, size to seven, we start making meaning out of how the world is behaving 72 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:44,640 around us and putting protection around like who we are, right. So instead of this ongoing 73 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:51,840 expansion, it very early starts to construct. I have a six year old and I'm living through it right 74 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:57,840 now, right. Like we had an incident, an event in her life where I forgot the dance shoes, 75 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:04,640 that dance class. And this was a big thing for her, whatever it was meaning to her 76 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:12,240 was affecting her enoughness because we didn't have the dance shoes, right. And I can, 77 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:19,600 it's an incredible thing having done my own work, which you guys never ends, which is the awesome 78 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:32,160 and obnoxious. Aren't I done? Aren't I done? Didn't I do this? There's more? What? This again? 79 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:43,920 But you know, my awareness to hold space now for my own child and to really, it's like a scientific 80 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:52,320 study to really see where these things start. And then to be able to share that with us grownups 81 00:09:52,320 --> 00:10:01,360 who myself included my enoughness story, like it's crazy. So there's this huge desire to nurture 82 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:08,560 oneself. And then because of the blessings that we receive as a result of doing that, 83 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:16,480 we want to gift it forward, right. And we've done it. So we were again always doing it. But 84 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:26,240 it makes a very relatable and safe space to then welcome others into it. So you start going through 85 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:33,920 this, you start chewing on the dry, dusty, leathery taste of personal responsibility 86 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:49,200 in the desert and the sun with no water. And what, what starts to crack? And how does that then start 87 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,360 to show up in your life? 88 00:10:53,360 --> 00:11:00,960 Good question. Side note, before I answer that question, it's interesting. That's a beautiful 89 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,920 story that you just shared. And part of what would I do also is in a child healing. And there's a 90 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:12,720 reason why we do the inner child healing because we have, it's, it, because she's, our little child 91 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:17,920 is still in, in that environment. So going back to that inner child and telling her that it's safe 92 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:23,200 and it's okay to walk with you is an important part of that journey. So I want to say that. And 93 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:28,320 it's actually in the movie Wicked, actually, where sometimes to see, but like, apparently, Alphaba, 94 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,480 when she sinks behind gravity goes back, like there's a moment apparently that I've read about 95 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:37,600 this, that she goes back to her and I find that very interesting. That being said, what was happening 96 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:42,720 to me is partly that is partly that like understanding what, like what I said earlier 97 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:48,400 about understanding what happened and what I was like a mass of people, please, or control freak and 98 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:53,440 go dependent. I didn't know those are the words, but like, so I was uncovering all of that. I was 99 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:58,640 uncovering, I always knew like everybody thought I was fabulous. But I'm like, what are you talking 100 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,960 about? Like everybody's like, I love you. I love your energy. Always complimenting me and deep down 101 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:07,520 inside, I was like, what are you talking about? Like I would say, I was the queen of I'm fine, 102 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:14,400 because I'm happy and go lucky. And like I present, you know, like that, but on the inside, I was 103 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:20,960 dying, like on the inside, my outside never matched my inside ever, up until I started doing the work. 104 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:26,000 And that's what really started happening for me was like, it started to match and I started to 105 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:32,240 understand deeper what I was doing and how to unravel all that, how to not be people, please, 106 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:39,680 or how to set boundaries and what to do and whatnot. And I also, one of the questions that was 107 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:46,480 asked in one of our sessions was, what are you tolerating? And that was a really big deep question 108 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,960 and I was like, oh my God. And one of the things I was tolerating was a toxic marriage 109 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:58,960 at that point in my life. And one of the biggest transformations for me was ending that marriage, 110 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:05,120 but ending that marriage like a human being and not like with a massive amount of hate and venom. 111 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:12,800 Yeah, being able to navigate something like that, I'm grounded in a peaceful place. 112 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:19,520 Right. And his reaction to that then, like how, what was his response? 113 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:25,360 The interesting thing about it is that we had been, it was bad for a few years prior to that. 114 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:31,280 So it was, we both knew that it was over, we just didn't have the balls to end it quite frankly. 115 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:37,360 And so it was honestly a conversation and I'm not even being exaggerating, we would just like, 116 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:46,080 it's over, but I was very adamant about this. It was a year before our daughter had a, I have a 117 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:52,560 children now are 23 and 18. And my daughter's 23, my son is 18. And our daughter was graduating 118 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:59,040 college a year after we decided, and I'm like, we have kids together. And I refuse to, to, 119 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:04,000 and she lives in Delaware, our daughter. And I said, I refused for you to leave at 1215 and I 120 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:08,240 show up at 1230. I'm like, I refuse to allow that to happen. I'm like, we have children together. 121 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,800 And whether we like it or not, we're going to be in each other's lives. It just is like, 122 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,600 it doesn't matter. So like, can we just be human beings about this? I'm not saying we have to be 123 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,280 best friends. I'm not saying, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't about like, you know, 124 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:25,600 showing face. It was more like, we're not staying married, but we have children together, we can 125 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:31,760 be friends, like we can be human beings to each other and go to these events together, 126 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:36,400 not with venom and not with hate. And that's exactly what's going on also in graduating high 127 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:45,440 school, you know, that kind of a thing. So what like, what a beautiful way to embrace a transition 128 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:52,800 and hold space for yourself and hold space for him and kind of guide him into that same 129 00:14:52,800 --> 00:15:03,440 safety and and peacefulness, right? Like that. And what you have shared so far is that painting this 130 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:13,440 real internal, external misalignment and how that slowly eats away at us over time, we can, we can 131 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:20,320 not be aware of, but, you know, take this opportunity and listening to Karen's story to 132 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:27,440 really think about what you would feel deep down, what's, what's way in there, 133 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:35,920 asking to be alive and not having an opportunity because that's suffering where it's coming from 134 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:42,880 is you're not being true to yourself. You're not being that pure, incredible, soul being that came 135 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:51,360 to life in your mother's womb in an agreement to the, to the life that you received, right? And 136 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,480 the more we suffocate that the more constricted and 137 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:08,880 we don't get to have a version of the life that we know we want and we're not sure we deserve. 138 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:15,280 And that's where this type of inner work can help you move into that. And again, because like the 139 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:20,320 everyday woman, you know, I'm not talking about Oprah, I'm not talking about Princess Diana, I'm 140 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:31,120 not talking about any just the freedom of being yourself and of being soft and really loving the 141 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:42,480 soft as 2024 ends and living your life in this new energy. That is, it's as simple as that. So 142 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:49,040 now, you know, you're, you're doing the work, you're applying it, you're changing your life, 143 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:55,200 and you're seeing these incredible results. So what is change it? Like are people, 144 00:16:55,200 --> 00:17:01,440 people are hanging out with friendships, you know, everything, right? Everything is different. And to 145 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,920 your point, I love the word soft, and to your point, that's why I'm so, that's what literally why 146 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:12,000 I'm so passionate about what I'm doing is exactly what you're talking about is helping women 147 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:18,800 stand in their power, helping women show off as their true authentic selves, showing up 148 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:23,840 confidently boldly and not worrying about because the beauty of doing the work also is 149 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:32,480 not worrying about judgment from yourself, others, right? And really about showing up and being like, 150 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,560 that's what you said dancing. I mean, every Friday I show up on social media and dance and 151 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:42,080 lip sync is like ridiculous. You know what I mean? But like that's the point. And what was going on 152 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:51,200 for me was just that type of transformation was that I can show up like that, that it's okay 153 00:17:51,200 --> 00:18:01,680 that that it's okay and safe to show up like that, that that letting go of all of those things and 154 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:08,960 the people please letting go of all that, letting go of the marriage, letting go of people allowed 155 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:17,600 an openness in me, right? And that's the hard truth about the evolution, the journey of evolution 156 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:24,320 is you're going to lose things and it's okay to earn the loss of certain things. I don't think that 157 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:30,320 gets enough credit so to speak. So I'm more in the loss of certain people, places and things, 158 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:36,880 right? In my life. But what you gain as you evolve into a new different person, like I have 159 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,440 like the sisterhood of people I know I have a brother and I've had sisters, I always wanted 160 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:48,480 sisters of people that I can talk to about anything. And it's like the most amazing thing. 161 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:53,840 And it's just like even being a mindset coach, like that was not in my bingo card ever. 162 00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:01,280 You know what I mean? Like I grew up I'm 50, I turned 56 last Saturday on the 23rd of YF 163 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:08,480 next year and I'm on 23rd. Thank you. And you know, I'm from the school of you go to, you know, 164 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:14,560 you go to school, you get a job and that's the thing. You know what I mean? So being a coach 165 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:20,080 wasn't in my bingo card and that was the evolution. Like I was like, I'm going to do network marketing 166 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,480 and then it's like, no, I started doing the work and I was like, no, wait a minute. Initially, 167 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:29,040 I was like, no, my health alone, this clients need this. And then I was like, oh, no, no, no, no, 168 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:35,440 this is way bigger than that. And I need this, I'm, and stepping into that role as the vessel, 169 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,840 which I know we'll talk about again, later, but like stepping into that role as the vessel, 170 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:46,160 there's a whole other conversation. As the person being the vessel to show up to one thing to show 171 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,840 up confidently and fully, right? And then it's like, oh, person like people are going to listen to 172 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,880 when they're going to do things because you say so, it's like the whole other thing. 173 00:19:53,920 --> 00:20:01,680 It's another level of work and of self trust and of choosing to be a leader. So 174 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:07,280 the permission here, whatever the listeners are seeking in their life, it's your journey, right? 175 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:16,640 And whether you decide to be a coach or you just want to live a more expressed, a more free life, 176 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:26,560 both of those things have a ripple effect regardless. And so that's why Karen and I and 177 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:34,720 all the other guests and all the other people who are advocating for this inner child healing, 178 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:47,120 this rewiring of our love experience so that we can make that change. And again, 179 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:55,440 let's be agist for a second. Karen was in her 50s, right? So there's no like, oh, you missed the boat, 180 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:08,000 you're going to come back next lifetime. Right. So, you know, it's so, lately I've come across a lot 181 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:14,320 of conditioned response. I'll just say it like that. Where all the times people like when I said, 182 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:21,040 and I did a post about this too, I was 52 when I stopped working in corporate America. So it's 183 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:30,480 four years ago in the pandemic. And when I said about going roller skating for my workday, which 184 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:35,440 I did. So I'm like, what are you, 25? I'm like, well, in my brain, yeah, I mean, like, you know, 185 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:41,360 I chronologically, maybe 56, but like, there's no, my brain is like 14. And it was just like 186 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:46,640 interesting, but it's interesting responses that now I understand having done the work 187 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,520 that like we're conditioned to believe and conditioned to say and conditioned in a way like, 188 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,000 you know, it's too late because we're in our 50s. And, you know, you're 56 and roller skating, and 189 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:01,360 it's like a thing like age becomes like, it's almost as like, it's, you're supposed to like 190 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:07,440 shrivel up and like just not do things at a certain age. And, and I'm here to tell you, it's not true. 191 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:14,480 It's not true at all. And you can be due and have anything you want at whatever age that you want it. 192 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:23,520 And that's the beauty of also doing the work is not is not caring about what age you are, 193 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:28,080 whatever it is, it feels good. It's what you want to do. It's one hell you want to expand. 194 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:36,720 That's what you do. This really leans into me of living from spirit, rather than from flesh. 195 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:45,680 And that because, okay, let's see if I can get this out. The body is very defined, right, like it's, 196 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:54,160 it's made of material, and it's of a certain size, and it's a container as a result. And your spirit 197 00:22:54,160 --> 00:23:00,080 is swooshing around in there, kind of like a ping pong ball, trying to hit on things. Sometimes it's 198 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:05,360 emotions. Sometimes it's maybe a physical limitation, actually, like an injury or 199 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:22,560 capacity, whatever. But the work creates space in the body for spirit to slow bigger, and to kind of 200 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:31,760 burst through your physical container. And this may sound very woo-woo, but it's, it's just a way of 201 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:37,760 making a beautiful quote that was like Deepak Chopra or somebody. There's so many different 202 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:45,200 quoted sources, but about being spiritual beings having a human experience. And a movie that's 203 00:23:45,200 --> 00:24:01,040 like this cage in Meg Ryan. It's a heartbreakingly beautiful illustration of, of like spiritual life 204 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:06,960 and human life. So if you don't know it, City of Angels, you can check it out. But it, you know, 205 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:13,600 as a means of understanding how we want to navigate ourselves and that it's just, it's bigger 206 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:25,200 and bigger, like in an expansive way. So you give yourself some grace and just try to think 207 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:31,600 in like an eternal mindset, right? Lived one day at a time. 208 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:42,320 Sit in that for a sec. The big concepts. And that's what Karen and I and like a lot of, 209 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:52,800 won't take us the wrong way, but real coaches versus corner coaches. I've been online for a 210 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:59,920 while now, and I'm really starting to see like a difference in the professionalism of this trade, 211 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:07,760 of this industry, because it is so easy, air quotes, to go out there and run with a certification 212 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:17,520 and advertise. And, you know, it's an easier path than becoming a counselor, but a professional coach 213 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:30,560 holds a selection. And it's not about them. They're not doing it to run and grab you as a 214 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:36,640 transformation story to keep selling. And that's where like, what Karen's talking about really 215 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:43,760 doing the work brings that forward. And then grows your heart's desire to lead. And then grows your, 216 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:49,680 your flesh resistance to try monetize it through a business. 217 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:01,440 It's like that's another awesome and hyper obnoxious element of maturity. 218 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:07,200 So true. It's so true. But I also want to point out one thing before you say, we're guides. 219 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:15,760 That's what we are. We're guides. We're not going to sit here and tell you what you should, 220 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,680 should, and we don't, we don't, should on us. We don't even use the word sure. Okay. But we're 221 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:30,320 guides. We're helping you extract the data. That's what it is. Helping you extract the data so that 222 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,200 you can understand the data so that we can rewire and reprogramming at the subconscious level, 223 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,600 how do you connect more to your body? Because a lot of us were in survival mode from the neck up 224 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,760 and how do you connect to your body? And how do you do that? And then you become 225 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,200 a new version of yourself. And really the version you're becoming is the person you work 226 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,920 before all the limiting stories and all the limiting beliefs and the conditioning was there. 227 00:26:53,920 --> 00:27:05,760 So that's what the overview of what Mia and I are about and what we do. It's not, 228 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,600 this is what you should be doing. And I think this is what you should be doing. This is the 229 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,880 you should be taking and that kind of a thing. You know, it's you, we help guide you through a 230 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:26,000 journey. Yes, it's a very holistic approach to the health leadership, self understanding, 231 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:33,760 versus like a Ford manufacturing factory picture 1920s when the Ford model was first coming out, 232 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:42,960 everything the same. Because what worked for me and what my wounds are versus Karen's versus Jane 233 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:49,920 versus Susan, are all going to be different. So if you're looking for somebody to help guide you, 234 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:56,000 Karen, you articulated that so beautifully. You want to look for somebody who's really going to 235 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:05,360 show up for you, not for them. And how do you know that? I mean, buyer beware, right? Get to know 236 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:09,040 that. That's why you have the conversation. Yeah. That's why you have the conversation. That's why 237 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,600 I mean, I personally did this all the time. I offer, I offer discovery goals all the time. 238 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,000 That's part of what I do. Because I may not listen, you may not drive with me. I may not drive with 239 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:24,160 you. We may not be right fit for each other. Right? And it's, it's, it's, it's okay. It behoves 240 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:34,320 a conversation and whatever happens from that happens. So that's really important because 241 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:39,200 let's move into growing a business out of this now because when we're starting out, 242 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,320 we're so desperate to get a client because the client means that we're a business owner and that 243 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:53,120 this is going to happen and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, me, me, me, right? Versus having done 244 00:28:53,120 --> 00:29:01,280 that pre-work, you know that you're cool, baby. You're cool no matter what. And some people are 245 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:07,120 for you and some are not because do you like every single buddy that you meet? Nope. Nope. 246 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,920 Nope. Even me who I often say I'm like the golden retriever at the John Park. Let's be friends. 247 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,400 Let's be friends. Let's be friends. Oh, why'd you bark at me? 248 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:25,200 Can't we be friends? I'll come back tomorrow. There are people I don't like and I know it's 249 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:34,880 hard to believe that there are people who don't like me either. It's true. It's true. But starting, 250 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:41,680 okay. I have so much to say. I'm trying to, okay. So it's like, okay, this is going to be great, 251 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:51,120 right? And then it's like what I personally had to come to grips with was I can be on social media, 252 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:57,120 I can do a post, I can do that kind of thing and show up like that, right? The back end of the 253 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:04,160 business, right? The analyzing the data and the, you know, how do you monetize further? 254 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:10,160 How do you, you know, the back end. So this was so lovingly pointed out to me again by our 255 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:16,960 mentor Tracy Lit was there's the entrepreneur part of it, right? Which is just showing up on 256 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:22,640 social and selling and right and doing that. And then there's the back end portion of the business, 257 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:29,840 which is data, analyzation, CRM, you know, organization, you know, putting things together, 258 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:36,560 email list and landing pages and, you know, all that other kind of stuff, right? And I had no clue 259 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:43,200 about this part. I mean, I had a clue, but like, I wasn't there at all, right? So I'm like, I'll show 260 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:48,000 up on social media and people are going to buy and this is what's going to happen and all that kind 261 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:56,400 of a thing, right? And it's not necessarily the case. So it was like, and it's also like, what 262 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:03,120 also, what position do you want to take, right? It's also like, because the fact of the matter is 263 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:08,320 I am selling something. And that was also a piece of the puzzle, like coming to grips with also if 264 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:13,680 I'm going to be, I'm going to be fully transparent. I'm like, no, I am because I don't like selling. 265 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,640 And, and, and my ex was the salesman and that's, there's some, there's some correlation there, 266 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:26,240 I'm sure. Positive about. Also, the selling, I didn't like selling because it was like, 267 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:31,840 I'm selling me, why don't people like me for me? Right? That was like a, that was a healing journey 268 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,560 that I had to go on myself as well. It was like, because there's, there's so many layers on the 269 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,800 knee. Right? There's a lot of late. Why don't I want, why don't people like me for me? But I'm 270 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,600 worthy and deserving as I am. Okay. So it has nothing to do with me, right? It's what I was 271 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,320 making it about me and had nothing to do with me. So that healing journey. And so the business part 272 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:56,800 of it, it can be fun. It can be ridiculous. But it's also understanding the role and what type of 273 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:02,880 role one needs to take. And it could be different for everybody. My specific journey was understanding 274 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:10,240 who do I want to speak to? Who, how do I want to position myself showing up like that and taking 275 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:15,360 money out of the equation? Right? And I just had an epiphany about that last night, because even 276 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,400 though I do the inner work, there's a lot of, we're like an onion and we peel it. And it was like, 277 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:27,520 you know, you know, I was thinking to myself, you know, monetarily speaking where I want to be 278 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:33,440 and I'm doing a workshop in a few weeks. And I was just in my head, I spent yesterday Thanksgiving, 279 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,840 like just relaxing. And I was like, well, son, I had a epiphany of what if I just take money out 280 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:45,600 of the equation? It's a huge epiphany. What if I just put out what I, you know, put out and money 281 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,800 is the byproduct. And it's like a huge epiphany that I just had that it was just like, it doesn't, 282 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,640 it doesn't matter. People are, I want to say it like this, like it doesn't matter if people are 283 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,680 buying or not, you're making an impact and you're putting, you know, you're putting out your best 284 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:07,600 and that's enough and every if you build it, they will come right? They will come. And I had, and I had, 285 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:15,520 I actually posted about this today. I purposely did this post today, because so I hadn't, I put a 286 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,720 post up about letting go the other day. And I got a message from someone that they decided to let go 287 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:26,640 of something based off of my post. They decided to let go of something. They took action for themselves. 288 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:32,240 Right. And I was like, oh my God, that's awesome. Like immediately my brain, oh my God, that's awesome. 289 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,920 And then like three seconds later, it was like, oh my God, get in by your chorus. And like it became, 290 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:43,360 you know, in a critic's body going because that's what happens. This is real life, right? But the 291 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,920 beauty about doing the work and being a coach, and this is what as a coach, what I guide you to 292 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:55,920 do as well is that I understood what was going on and the story to the business too, because it's 293 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:03,360 part of the business is doing the work, right? And so I was able to, hey, what's up? Having literally 294 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:08,800 a conversation with my inner voice and then do what we call side by side is writing down what 295 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,360 your mind says and then, but what she says, which is your highest self, what she says and connecting 296 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,240 with that. And then I took action and I did a whole post about this today, because that shows up as 297 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:24,080 well. So it's also about doing all of that. It's still doing the work, the work never, like you 298 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,320 were saying, the work never ends, but it's like, there's a whole, and then it was like, okay, but 299 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:34,640 the backend stuff, I don't love it. I don't love it at all, because I just don't. It's not, it's not 300 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:40,080 who I am in the sense of I'm not a big fan of these things. However, I've decided that it's 301 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:48,480 behooves me to learn it and understand it. So that eventually, when I'm able to hand it off to a VA 302 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:55,520 or someone else, I'm not just putting, I'm not just putting it in the hands of them and not 303 00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,400 having any idea of what's going on. Exactly. Journey that I also took, because I was also a person 304 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:06,080 that didn't really care about details like that. And so I've become a person who even though I'm 305 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:11,360 not enjoying it, it's not something that I would like to do on a continuous basis, at least wants 306 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:16,400 to learn it so that I can understand it because it's part of the business and part of what I'm doing. 307 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:24,640 Yeah. There's, that is such an old, and there's a lot to unpack in all of that, but I'll try to be 308 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:34,160 succinct. We want to do just the fun part of the business, which is the serving and the talking 309 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,680 about it because we think it's the greatest freaking thing ever in the world. And it is, 310 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:45,200 but it is to you, it has to be to somebody else. And unless you're making it about that somebody 311 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:52,640 else, you're going to struggle a little bit because you're looking to validate you and your 312 00:35:52,640 --> 00:36:00,960 business idea by somebody else liking it and buying it. That is all conditional things. If you 313 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,680 freaking believe that what you have is the best thing since sliced bread, then you take that out 314 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:12,720 there and you tell every single person and they will start to say yes. McDonald's doesn't care 315 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:16,800 if you come in and look at the menu and leave without buying. Starbucks doesn't care if you come 316 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,760 in just to use the bathroom and leave without buying. This is the kind of thing that you want to be. 317 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:30,160 And we started out, we're so keen, wet behind the ears, so excited. And I love the dimension that 318 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:36,400 you gave to the front end of what you're selling to the back end of what you're building. The other 319 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:43,840 piece of this, like if you only do the good stuff, have an analogy about babies. So if your mom is 320 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,960 like, oh, I love my baby when they're cute and sleeping and curdling and then they have a big 321 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:56,800 stinky shit and it gets everywhere. And you're like, oh, no, no, not doing that part of it. I only 322 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:05,200 want like, or life, you know, like an injury or a bad haircut or a bruise, like you, you 323 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:12,320 have to take it all and you have to take responsibility for it all. And the real hard truth 324 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:18,320 is that you are going to be a solopreneur until you have a stable enough monthly recurring revenue 325 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:25,280 to pay predictably. That is part of your fitness growth and becoming a business owner, 326 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:33,200 not just an online coach, like one in 500 million, right? That's the difference and that's real 327 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,920 leadership and that's real client service. Because if you're not building a back end 328 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,840 and somebody in a nation and they do need that confirmation that they've made a good choice. 329 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:53,200 And if you're like at your kid's soccer game and the payment comes through and you don't have an 330 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:58,640 automation to send them an email and say, welcome, I'm so excited with a cute little video of you 331 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:03,360 and quick access to something, they're going to start panicking because imagine if you went to the 332 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,920 grocery store and filled your cart and scanned it all through and paid for it, but then didn't get to 333 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:18,320 take the cart full of shit. You don't want to do it, but tough beans kid, oh, you got to and 334 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:23,680 I'll brag about myself a little bit. This is one of my areas of geniuses, right? And there's so many 335 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:28,640 ways to create simple systems to support your business and it's better for you and it's better 336 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:34,720 for the client. And then you get to stay in that empowered spaciousness of knowing you really got 337 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:41,600 something real and that's bigger than you. So like the creator of Starbucks is never in the 338 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:48,720 fricking store, right? The creator of McDonald's or Walmart, they're never in the fricking store because 339 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:54,640 they've created a system to provide the service. And think about what the system does to your point, 340 00:38:54,640 --> 00:39:00,720 Mia. Okay, what the system does because even without coaching, we give like systems, right? So 341 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:08,000 when you have the systems and when you do the systems, right, the time that you have left over 342 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:15,040 the systems, realize time wise or wise because it's like, oh, well, that's done and I could move on to 343 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:20,640 or just, you know, relax or whatever it is. You know what I mean? There's time savings involved 344 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:27,600 in having systems in place and efficiency of having systems in place. 345 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,360 And then scalability because as you mentioned, when you do hire your VA, 346 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:40,000 which a lot of people want to run to as the first team member, imagine them joining and everything's 347 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,800 a mess and they can't find anything. It's like, you know, everything's thrown up all over the place, 348 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,360 they have no idea. They're not going to succeed and then you're going to be frustrated and it's 349 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:55,200 going to continue to tangle things up. So there is heavy lifting to be done, like with weight loss, 350 00:39:55,200 --> 00:40:01,120 right? You've got to sweat and grunt. Well, and it does and it takes time and I think that's another 351 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:07,520 puzzle. And I just had a thought, like when I used to work in corporate America, there were 352 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:16,560 and even when you get in a car or wash or dry, there's manuals that come with this, right? 353 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:21,520 So like whether you read them or not, I mean, that's not the point, but like, it's like to your 354 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,440 point about systems. The manual is the system, right? It's showing you what to do when you're 355 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,280 working in corporate and you had to read like trainings and whatever else. It's like, that's the 356 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:35,120 whole point. So it's all, it's, it's all of that. 357 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:49,120 That makes you a better leader, a better coach and it professionalizes the work that you're doing. 358 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:55,280 The theme that's coming up for me these days, the softness and the professionalizing of what we're 359 00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:04,080 doing so that it builds confidence to take ourselves seriously, but it also builds confidence in our 360 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:13,600 audience to feel safe and trust. And it's ironic that we talk about not seeking external circumstances 361 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:20,080 for internal validation, but we were that version and there's still elements of us that are that 362 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:29,200 version. So we want to massage that away for us and for them to have smooth experiences, to have 363 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:38,080 nervous system regulated support in actually running a business, a meaningful business, 364 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:45,680 and, you know, being able to feel safe to say no to clients as well in that. 365 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:52,240 Yes. And that's the stepping into the role of leadership as well, which is what I kind of 366 00:41:52,240 --> 00:42:01,520 mentioned alluded to earlier too, is, is, is, that's where the confidence comes in. That's where the 367 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:07,200 self love, the self validation, that's where that the self believes the deserving see, 368 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:12,240 believing in and knowing that you are whole worthy as you and loving and trusting and 369 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:18,240 believing in yourself, right, and knowing and stepping into that vessel as a leader. So there's 370 00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:23,440 the entrepreneur, right, there's the back end, and there's also your leader, whether you like it, 371 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:32,480 right. And it's stepping into that role, all partedly, and, and, and understanding that, 372 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:39,200 that, that you're the vessel, and that there are people who need, who are requiring your services, 373 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,520 and that's beautiful, and that's wonderful, and that's fabulous, and it's okay. 374 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:51,280 Yeah. Yeah. So what are some ways then that you've dug into the back end to help yourself? 375 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,320 System. Yeah, but like, what, like, what, like, are you 376 00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:09,840 So I'm active, actively, actually switching, please, please, the CRM things that I, 377 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:17,600 that I was doing, I'm in the process of doing that now, but it is having that email sent. So, 378 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:22,000 so the systems are having that email sent out, when people, of course, that's the first thing, 379 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:29,760 building an email list, and, and newsletters, I'm actively, those are my, you know, those are 380 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:35,600 things I'm working on to the end of this year, as well, and doing stuff like that. Like, so right 381 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:42,400 now, those landing page is another thing working on. You know, so, so those are, those are things 382 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,640 that I have, so like, they're there, for lack of a better way to put it. So those, those are, 383 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:56,560 yeah, those things that I'm working on at the moment. Yeah, perfect. They're just a few things 384 00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:02,800 easier, right, and they do take a bit of work, but like, really, somebody could smash that out 385 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:08,720 in a few days time, right, if you had eight hours a day or something, not that you have to only do 386 00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:15,840 that for eight hours, don't freak out guys. You just do the heavy lifting, and then you let it 387 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:22,560 run, and it's a beautiful thing. And one of the things I'm also doing is accepting help. So like, 388 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,800 from people, like, your banner is not great. And I 389 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:37,280 So she don't know guys, Karen made a Facebook banner, and it's purple with writing. And I just, 390 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,560 they know her and I love her. And I was like, 391 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:46,480 And so I made one in Canva for her, put her on a disco stage with a disco ball, and it's, it's 392 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:54,080 super fun. Right. And that's the other beauty of the sisterhood or of the collective where 393 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,480 we get to do things for each other out of love, just out of love, like, 394 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:05,760 have such a flippant huge heart of service. And I just sprinkle it wherever I can. And I now 395 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:13,040 get to control, get to decide how I want to share that and where I want to share that, right. 396 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:19,040 Not to get anything out of it, just to do it because it feels fucking good to do it. 397 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,920 I think it's so good. I probably stared at that Facebook banner more than Karen has because I love it. 398 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:39,520 And to that point in the growth portion is, is, you know, you could be someone who doesn't 399 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:47,280 necessarily accept help because you would on your own, right. And so, yes, that was me too, 400 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:53,280 saying yes. And, and, and not making it, you were, we talked earlier about not making it about 401 00:45:53,280 --> 00:46:00,160 yourself. Like I knew, like I didn't make the fact that, you know, my banner wasn't great, you know, 402 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:05,600 your opinion was about me. That's right. Right. I took it as, you know what, I, I, and I saw the 403 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:10,320 point, like it isn't that great, but you know, and, and I accepted, like I said, I accepted the 404 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,600 help that someone was willing to give me because I knew that, that would benefit. And that's the 405 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:22,000 thing too. To find it back to the business, like that's part of your business. It's like your 406 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:27,680 social media is like part of the business. And it was like, no, people want to see like who you are. 407 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,360 How do they get in touch with you as part of the banner? And that's things that, like, these are 408 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,040 things that you don't even think about, but things that have to be learned as you go along. 409 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:42,000 The receivership in that as a whole other conversation. 410 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:52,240 It would go on forever, but you know, it's a huge part like it was in a way, it was me 411 00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:58,240 seeking to receive by asking to give something. Okay. 412 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:11,600 Okay. So port and to care for and to lift up and Karen saying yes was like a way for me to 413 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:18,480 receive and deliver on my gifts and talents. And Karen saying yes was a way for her to receive 414 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:28,160 as well. And we, we think we want these things, but when the work comes, we resist. So this is 415 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:35,920 where we want to soften and it's so much better when we do it together without attachment to an 416 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:44,720 outcome of any kind. Holy tomatoes. I can't believe the ends of the universe that we've covered in 417 00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:51,360 this incredible conversation. So Karen, now it's time to step onto the powerful stage and share 418 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:56,960 with the audience what you have to offer. And let's promote that through the listeners and, 419 00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:05,040 you know, continue to help each other live freer, live happy, live peacefully, every simple 420 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,120 mundane, beautifully repetitive, awesomely surprising day. 421 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:23,120 I can't believe like we just did all that. Anyway, so well, you heard me talking about 422 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:31,280 the journey and all of, you know, the evolution. So with my course is called unscrew yourself. 423 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:37,280 Because like I said, it can be ridiculous, but also, you know, it is beautiful. So that is the 424 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:42,320 name of my course on story itself. So, you know, that's the end of the journey that we take, the 425 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:47,840 evolution that we take together and how I guide you. And I am also, so that's always available. I 426 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:54,960 do one-on-one. And I also do group coaching if you like. And on December 10th, if you were like, 427 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,480 I don't know, and I don't want to necessarily have a conversation with you, Karen. I don't know, 428 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:04,480 I'm not sure. I am doing a free workshop on December 10th at 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, 429 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:09,680 creating a magnetic vision slash vision board workshop where we take a little bit of the 430 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:15,120 evolution. Like I said, we do a vision. We do a really beautiful vision connecting to our 431 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:21,600 85-year-old self and is how to embody that person and said we do actually do a vision and how to 432 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:26,160 embody that person. And then we're making a vision board from all of that. That's what we do. So 433 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:33,680 you have two ways to work with me. Awesome. Awesome. We'll take advantage because, I mean, 434 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:40,800 obviously Karen's a fun little fireball who lives this work and so I'm so excited to share her with 435 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:47,600 you. And I just had the best time ever. I think we fucking killed it. Just saying. I think it's awesome. 436 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:55,360 I love you. Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for sharing yourselves. And we're just 437 00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:00,400 going to keep crushing it out there together. And I want to say thank you and I love you too. And I 438 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:05,840 also just want to say what you're doing with this podcast and what you put out in the world 439 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:12,560 is magnificent and wonderful and fabulous. And you are magnificent and wonderful and fabulous. 440 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,800 And you are a gift to this world. And I thank you for allowing me space to be part of it. 441 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:26,400 I'm honored. Thank you. Bye listeners. We'll catch you soon. We love you. 442 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:36,400 Thank you. 443 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:56,400 Stop recording is up. It's still recording on my.