Hello, hello, hello, my beautiful, everyday powerful women of the world.
Welcome to the Startup Stories podcast where women who are seeking more of themselves through
purpose and business are heard, held, and served. Powerful Startup Stories brings you relatable
stories to keep you sane, grounded, and growing as you deliver your purpose and grow your business.
And you guys, if I were a fancier, I would have been playing Dancing Queen by Abba for you to
welcome the one and the only disco queen, Ms. Karen Cooper.
You're historical, you're historical, thank you. By the way, that was the most soothing voice
ever. Literally to welcome her to the stage. Karen and I met through a group coaching program
a couple of years ago. I think we were in the same cohort and she's just such a little fireball.
And so for the last few years, we've seen each other grow and expand and serve and explore the
world through our new identity. And I couldn't stand it anymore. I finally said, Karen, you've
got to come on the show. I love what's happening. And let's talk about what your journey's been and
who you are, from who you've been to who you're becoming. And take us through some of your history
because you've really, you just had a birthday, so happy belated official and happy birthday
live time. But you have this gorgeous post around looking back to your 16-year-old self. So let's
dive into some of that today and let's just share to you that Karen invested in herself and in her
evolution and then invested further in becoming a trauma-informed mindset coach to allow for other
women to go through that journey too with somebody who really knows. Like Karen's really gone through
the meat of life to get to this point, right? So welcome, welcome, welcome sweetheart. I'm so thrilled.
You're so on. Any new?
You're so on. Any nuances? We're not hiding anything here, right? So what was it that first
drew you to invest in mind magic? Like how did you find that and what were you going through
at that time that was pulling you ahead? I was a year and a half out of corporate. So my
short version of the story is I used to work in corporate and I was freelancing at NBC and my
contract ended two weeks after COVID hit. And I was in my early 50s and not interested in finding
another job. So the network marketing business that I was doing on the side, I decided to do that
full time. So I became an accidental entrepreneur in doing so about a year into it. I'm like, I have
no idea what I'm doing. I have no idea who I am and I know I need, I know how I'm the problem.
It's me. Like I knew that intuitively and I knew I needed a deeper dive and I was doing personal
development but I knew I needed a deeper dive. Serendipitously, our mentor Tracy Litt showed up
on a training call through my network marketing. So that is how I was introduced to her and she
started cursing and she was from New Jersey and I live in New York and I'm from Brooklyn. I live
in Staten Island and I was like sold. Like whatever she was doing, I was sold. And so that began.
That's how the journey began. That's awesome. Like a divine opportunity, right? Where you guys,
this gets me every time. But if you don't show up, then the person who needs you
has to continue waiting. And like Karen, how much pain were you in? How much constriction were you
in? Like praying for a miracle, praying for somebody like Tracy? It was, okay, I'll put it this way.
I'm someone who had a really bad money story and I was scared, and we love to curse on this thing,
I was scared shitless to spend any kind of money. Like when I first purchased my nutrition system,
that was 300 plus dollars. I was like, oh my god, that was like the most money I had ever really
spent on myself, for me, like to invest in me. So I was at that point where I was like, I know I
need to do something big. So I was in, I was in, I would say my pain was probably a 10 out of 10
at that point. Yeah. Yeah. And then here comes this woman who, and the reason this is so important,
you guys, is because whatever you're feeling, you're making it about you. And instead,
I'm shocking. Yes. Okay, we're not children anymore. Yes, we are. Yet we are crying to just walk to
nurse. But when we do that, we make it about ourselves instead of making about the woman
or person, that together we can grow. Because when a coach says yes to her gifts in her heart
and shows up for others, the real impact is when the others come into that space. Right. So here
we are always pushing out, out thinking it's about you. But what you're actually doing is
smashing through another brick wall for everybody that's going to come with you. You have a huge
following. You know, network marketing is, for me, it was really uncomfortable because I hate sales,
and I hate like, pushy, but anyway, it's a whole, whole piece of my puzzle to work through. But when
you said yes to yourself, you started to unlock new opportunities and new frequencies, right.
So then you say yes to that commitment, you start that journey, and your whole life starts
to unravel what's happening now. Kicking and screaming. Yes. Resistance. Because the inner work
is inner work. We can make it fun and yes, it's ridiculous, but it's also not sexy, and it's
not pretty some of the times that you have to do. And the fact is that you also, that the facing
the reality that some of it is you. Taking responsibility for your own actions when it's
so much more fun to blame others. Way more fun, but it doesn't serve anybody by doing that is
what I've learned. So I was honestly, it was a shock. I'm not even lying about that. It was a
very big shock when I really started diving deeper into the inner work. But what I soon found out
was how not even just powerful, but how necessary it was. It said my pain was 10 out of a 10. I knew
I needed to make a change and a drastic one at that in order to evolve. And I didn't know what
that's what it was at the time. Like I didn't understand like that was like what I was doing.
I just knew I need I couldn't go on any longer with what I was doing. That's what I knew. And so
unlocking the power within me that I didn't know I had because I didn't feel enough and I didn't
feel worthy and I didn't feel deserving at all. And to know that wait a minute I am whole and worthy
because I exist. Not necessarily believing it at that time, but even having that like as a like a
bubble like bubble above me is like, oh, that's interesting to know. And uncovering the layers
of all the things that made me who I was then. Yeah, it was very interesting and it made a lot of sense.
At a very young age, size to seven, we start making meaning out of how the world is behaving
around us and putting protection around like who we are, right. So instead of this ongoing
expansion, it very early starts to construct. I have a six year old and I'm living through it right
now, right. Like we had an incident, an event in her life where I forgot the dance shoes,
that dance class. And this was a big thing for her, whatever it was meaning to her
was affecting her enoughness because we didn't have the dance shoes, right. And I can,
it's an incredible thing having done my own work, which you guys never ends, which is the awesome
and obnoxious. Aren't I done? Aren't I done? Didn't I do this? There's more? What? This again?
But you know, my awareness to hold space now for my own child and to really, it's like a scientific
study to really see where these things start. And then to be able to share that with us grownups
who myself included my enoughness story, like it's crazy. So there's this huge desire to nurture
oneself. And then because of the blessings that we receive as a result of doing that,
we want to gift it forward, right. And we've done it. So we were again always doing it. But
it makes a very relatable and safe space to then welcome others into it. So you start going through
this, you start chewing on the dry, dusty, leathery taste of personal responsibility
in the desert and the sun with no water. And what, what starts to crack? And how does that then start
to show up in your life?
Good question. Side note, before I answer that question, it's interesting. That's a beautiful
story that you just shared. And part of what would I do also is in a child healing. And there's a
reason why we do the inner child healing because we have, it's, it, because she's, our little child
is still in, in that environment. So going back to that inner child and telling her that it's safe
and it's okay to walk with you is an important part of that journey. So I want to say that. And
it's actually in the movie Wicked, actually, where sometimes to see, but like, apparently, Alphaba,
when she sinks behind gravity goes back, like there's a moment apparently that I've read about
this, that she goes back to her and I find that very interesting. That being said, what was happening
to me is partly that is partly that like understanding what, like what I said earlier
about understanding what happened and what I was like a mass of people, please, or control freak and
go dependent. I didn't know those are the words, but like, so I was uncovering all of that. I was
uncovering, I always knew like everybody thought I was fabulous. But I'm like, what are you talking
about? Like everybody's like, I love you. I love your energy. Always complimenting me and deep down
inside, I was like, what are you talking about? Like I would say, I was the queen of I'm fine,
because I'm happy and go lucky. And like I present, you know, like that, but on the inside, I was
dying, like on the inside, my outside never matched my inside ever, up until I started doing the work.
And that's what really started happening for me was like, it started to match and I started to
understand deeper what I was doing and how to unravel all that, how to not be people, please,
or how to set boundaries and what to do and whatnot. And I also, one of the questions that was
asked in one of our sessions was, what are you tolerating? And that was a really big deep question
and I was like, oh my God. And one of the things I was tolerating was a toxic marriage
at that point in my life. And one of the biggest transformations for me was ending that marriage,
but ending that marriage like a human being and not like with a massive amount of hate and venom.
Yeah, being able to navigate something like that, I'm grounded in a peaceful place.
Right. And his reaction to that then, like how, what was his response?
The interesting thing about it is that we had been, it was bad for a few years prior to that.
So it was, we both knew that it was over, we just didn't have the balls to end it quite frankly.
And so it was honestly a conversation and I'm not even being exaggerating, we would just like,
it's over, but I was very adamant about this. It was a year before our daughter had a, I have a
children now are 23 and 18. And my daughter's 23, my son is 18. And our daughter was graduating
college a year after we decided, and I'm like, we have kids together. And I refuse to, to,
and she lives in Delaware, our daughter. And I said, I refused for you to leave at 1215 and I
show up at 1230. I'm like, I refuse to allow that to happen. I'm like, we have children together.
And whether we like it or not, we're going to be in each other's lives. It just is like,
it doesn't matter. So like, can we just be human beings about this? I'm not saying we have to be
best friends. I'm not saying, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't about like, you know,
showing face. It was more like, we're not staying married, but we have children together, we can
be friends, like we can be human beings to each other and go to these events together,
not with venom and not with hate. And that's exactly what's going on also in graduating high
school, you know, that kind of a thing. So what like, what a beautiful way to embrace a transition
and hold space for yourself and hold space for him and kind of guide him into that same
safety and and peacefulness, right? Like that. And what you have shared so far is that painting this
real internal, external misalignment and how that slowly eats away at us over time, we can, we can
not be aware of, but, you know, take this opportunity and listening to Karen's story to
really think about what you would feel deep down, what's, what's way in there,
asking to be alive and not having an opportunity because that's suffering where it's coming from
is you're not being true to yourself. You're not being that pure, incredible, soul being that came
to life in your mother's womb in an agreement to the, to the life that you received, right? And
the more we suffocate that the more constricted and
we don't get to have a version of the life that we know we want and we're not sure we deserve.
And that's where this type of inner work can help you move into that. And again, because like the
everyday woman, you know, I'm not talking about Oprah, I'm not talking about Princess Diana, I'm
not talking about any just the freedom of being yourself and of being soft and really loving the
soft as 2024 ends and living your life in this new energy. That is, it's as simple as that. So
now, you know, you're, you're doing the work, you're applying it, you're changing your life,
and you're seeing these incredible results. So what is change it? Like are people,
people are hanging out with friendships, you know, everything, right? Everything is different. And to
your point, I love the word soft, and to your point, that's why I'm so, that's what literally why
I'm so passionate about what I'm doing is exactly what you're talking about is helping women
stand in their power, helping women show off as their true authentic selves, showing up
confidently boldly and not worrying about because the beauty of doing the work also is
not worrying about judgment from yourself, others, right? And really about showing up and being like,
that's what you said dancing. I mean, every Friday I show up on social media and dance and
lip sync is like ridiculous. You know what I mean? But like that's the point. And what was going on
for me was just that type of transformation was that I can show up like that, that it's okay
that that it's okay and safe to show up like that, that that letting go of all of those things and
the people please letting go of all that, letting go of the marriage, letting go of people allowed
an openness in me, right? And that's the hard truth about the evolution, the journey of evolution
is you're going to lose things and it's okay to earn the loss of certain things. I don't think that
gets enough credit so to speak. So I'm more in the loss of certain people, places and things,
right? In my life. But what you gain as you evolve into a new different person, like I have
like the sisterhood of people I know I have a brother and I've had sisters, I always wanted
sisters of people that I can talk to about anything. And it's like the most amazing thing.
And it's just like even being a mindset coach, like that was not in my bingo card ever.
You know what I mean? Like I grew up I'm 50, I turned 56 last Saturday on the 23rd of YF
next year and I'm on 23rd. Thank you. And you know, I'm from the school of you go to, you know,
you go to school, you get a job and that's the thing. You know what I mean? So being a coach
wasn't in my bingo card and that was the evolution. Like I was like, I'm going to do network marketing
and then it's like, no, I started doing the work and I was like, no, wait a minute. Initially,
I was like, no, my health alone, this clients need this. And then I was like, oh, no, no, no, no,
this is way bigger than that. And I need this, I'm, and stepping into that role as the vessel,
which I know we'll talk about again, later, but like stepping into that role as the vessel,
there's a whole other conversation. As the person being the vessel to show up to one thing to show
up confidently and fully, right? And then it's like, oh, person like people are going to listen to
when they're going to do things because you say so, it's like the whole other thing.
It's another level of work and of self trust and of choosing to be a leader. So
the permission here, whatever the listeners are seeking in their life, it's your journey, right?
And whether you decide to be a coach or you just want to live a more expressed, a more free life,
both of those things have a ripple effect regardless. And so that's why Karen and I and
all the other guests and all the other people who are advocating for this inner child healing,
this rewiring of our love experience so that we can make that change. And again,
let's be agist for a second. Karen was in her 50s, right? So there's no like, oh, you missed the boat,
you're going to come back next lifetime. Right. So, you know, it's so, lately I've come across a lot
of conditioned response. I'll just say it like that. Where all the times people like when I said,
and I did a post about this too, I was 52 when I stopped working in corporate America. So it's
four years ago in the pandemic. And when I said about going roller skating for my workday, which
I did. So I'm like, what are you, 25? I'm like, well, in my brain, yeah, I mean, like, you know,
I chronologically, maybe 56, but like, there's no, my brain is like 14. And it was just like
interesting, but it's interesting responses that now I understand having done the work
that like we're conditioned to believe and conditioned to say and conditioned in a way like,
you know, it's too late because we're in our 50s. And, you know, you're 56 and roller skating, and
it's like a thing like age becomes like, it's almost as like, it's, you're supposed to like
shrivel up and like just not do things at a certain age. And, and I'm here to tell you, it's not true.
It's not true at all. And you can be due and have anything you want at whatever age that you want it.
And that's the beauty of also doing the work is not is not caring about what age you are,
whatever it is, it feels good. It's what you want to do. It's one hell you want to expand.
That's what you do. This really leans into me of living from spirit, rather than from flesh.
And that because, okay, let's see if I can get this out. The body is very defined, right, like it's,
it's made of material, and it's of a certain size, and it's a container as a result. And your spirit
is swooshing around in there, kind of like a ping pong ball, trying to hit on things. Sometimes it's
emotions. Sometimes it's maybe a physical limitation, actually, like an injury or
capacity, whatever. But the work creates space in the body for spirit to slow bigger, and to kind of
burst through your physical container. And this may sound very woo-woo, but it's, it's just a way of
making a beautiful quote that was like Deepak Chopra or somebody. There's so many different
quoted sources, but about being spiritual beings having a human experience. And a movie that's
like this cage in Meg Ryan. It's a heartbreakingly beautiful illustration of, of like spiritual life
and human life. So if you don't know it, City of Angels, you can check it out. But it, you know,
as a means of understanding how we want to navigate ourselves and that it's just, it's bigger
and bigger, like in an expansive way. So you give yourself some grace and just try to think
in like an eternal mindset, right? Lived one day at a time.
Sit in that for a sec. The big concepts. And that's what Karen and I and like a lot of,
won't take us the wrong way, but real coaches versus corner coaches. I've been online for a
while now, and I'm really starting to see like a difference in the professionalism of this trade,
of this industry, because it is so easy, air quotes, to go out there and run with a certification
and advertise. And, you know, it's an easier path than becoming a counselor, but a professional coach
holds a selection. And it's not about them. They're not doing it to run and grab you as a
transformation story to keep selling. And that's where like, what Karen's talking about really
doing the work brings that forward. And then grows your heart's desire to lead. And then grows your,
your flesh resistance to try monetize it through a business.
It's like that's another awesome and hyper obnoxious element of maturity.
So true. It's so true. But I also want to point out one thing before you say, we're guides.
That's what we are. We're guides. We're not going to sit here and tell you what you should,
should, and we don't, we don't, should on us. We don't even use the word sure. Okay. But we're
guides. We're helping you extract the data. That's what it is. Helping you extract the data so that
you can understand the data so that we can rewire and reprogramming at the subconscious level,
how do you connect more to your body? Because a lot of us were in survival mode from the neck up
and how do you connect to your body? And how do you do that? And then you become
a new version of yourself. And really the version you're becoming is the person you work
before all the limiting stories and all the limiting beliefs and the conditioning was there.
So that's what the overview of what Mia and I are about and what we do. It's not,
this is what you should be doing. And I think this is what you should be doing. This is the
you should be taking and that kind of a thing. You know, it's you, we help guide you through a
journey. Yes, it's a very holistic approach to the health leadership, self understanding,
versus like a Ford manufacturing factory picture 1920s when the Ford model was first coming out,
everything the same. Because what worked for me and what my wounds are versus Karen's versus Jane
versus Susan, are all going to be different. So if you're looking for somebody to help guide you,
Karen, you articulated that so beautifully. You want to look for somebody who's really going to
show up for you, not for them. And how do you know that? I mean, buyer beware, right? Get to know
that. That's why you have the conversation. Yeah. That's why you have the conversation. That's why
I mean, I personally did this all the time. I offer, I offer discovery goals all the time.
That's part of what I do. Because I may not listen, you may not drive with me. I may not drive with
you. We may not be right fit for each other. Right? And it's, it's, it's, it's okay. It behoves
a conversation and whatever happens from that happens. So that's really important because
let's move into growing a business out of this now because when we're starting out,
we're so desperate to get a client because the client means that we're a business owner and that
this is going to happen and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, me, me, me, right? Versus having done
that pre-work, you know that you're cool, baby. You're cool no matter what. And some people are
for you and some are not because do you like every single buddy that you meet? Nope. Nope.
Nope. Even me who I often say I'm like the golden retriever at the John Park. Let's be friends.
Let's be friends. Let's be friends. Oh, why'd you bark at me?
Can't we be friends? I'll come back tomorrow. There are people I don't like and I know it's
hard to believe that there are people who don't like me either. It's true. It's true. But starting,
okay. I have so much to say. I'm trying to, okay. So it's like, okay, this is going to be great,
right? And then it's like what I personally had to come to grips with was I can be on social media,
I can do a post, I can do that kind of thing and show up like that, right? The back end of the
business, right? The analyzing the data and the, you know, how do you monetize further?
How do you, you know, the back end. So this was so lovingly pointed out to me again by our
mentor Tracy Lit was there's the entrepreneur part of it, right? Which is just showing up on
social and selling and right and doing that. And then there's the back end portion of the business,
which is data, analyzation, CRM, you know, organization, you know, putting things together,
email list and landing pages and, you know, all that other kind of stuff, right? And I had no clue
about this part. I mean, I had a clue, but like, I wasn't there at all, right? So I'm like, I'll show
up on social media and people are going to buy and this is what's going to happen and all that kind
of a thing, right? And it's not necessarily the case. So it was like, and it's also like, what
also, what position do you want to take, right? It's also like, because the fact of the matter is
I am selling something. And that was also a piece of the puzzle, like coming to grips with also if
I'm going to be, I'm going to be fully transparent. I'm like, no, I am because I don't like selling.
And, and, and my ex was the salesman and that's, there's some, there's some correlation there,
I'm sure. Positive about. Also, the selling, I didn't like selling because it was like,
I'm selling me, why don't people like me for me? Right? That was like a, that was a healing journey
that I had to go on myself as well. It was like, because there's, there's so many layers on the
knee. Right? There's a lot of late. Why don't I want, why don't people like me for me? But I'm
worthy and deserving as I am. Okay. So it has nothing to do with me, right? It's what I was
making it about me and had nothing to do with me. So that healing journey. And so the business part
of it, it can be fun. It can be ridiculous. But it's also understanding the role and what type of
role one needs to take. And it could be different for everybody. My specific journey was understanding
who do I want to speak to? Who, how do I want to position myself showing up like that and taking
money out of the equation? Right? And I just had an epiphany about that last night, because even
though I do the inner work, there's a lot of, we're like an onion and we peel it. And it was like,
you know, you know, I was thinking to myself, you know, monetarily speaking where I want to be
and I'm doing a workshop in a few weeks. And I was just in my head, I spent yesterday Thanksgiving,
like just relaxing. And I was like, well, son, I had a epiphany of what if I just take money out
of the equation? It's a huge epiphany. What if I just put out what I, you know, put out and money
is the byproduct. And it's like a huge epiphany that I just had that it was just like, it doesn't,
it doesn't matter. People are, I want to say it like this, like it doesn't matter if people are
buying or not, you're making an impact and you're putting, you know, you're putting out your best
and that's enough and every if you build it, they will come right? They will come. And I had, and I had,
I actually posted about this today. I purposely did this post today, because so I hadn't, I put a
post up about letting go the other day. And I got a message from someone that they decided to let go
of something based off of my post. They decided to let go of something. They took action for themselves.
Right. And I was like, oh my God, that's awesome. Like immediately my brain, oh my God, that's awesome.
And then like three seconds later, it was like, oh my God, get in by your chorus. And like it became,
you know, in a critic's body going because that's what happens. This is real life, right? But the
beauty about doing the work and being a coach, and this is what as a coach, what I guide you to
do as well is that I understood what was going on and the story to the business too, because it's
part of the business is doing the work, right? And so I was able to, hey, what's up? Having literally
a conversation with my inner voice and then do what we call side by side is writing down what
your mind says and then, but what she says, which is your highest self, what she says and connecting
with that. And then I took action and I did a whole post about this today, because that shows up as
well. So it's also about doing all of that. It's still doing the work, the work never, like you
were saying, the work never ends, but it's like, there's a whole, and then it was like, okay, but
the backend stuff, I don't love it. I don't love it at all, because I just don't. It's not, it's not
who I am in the sense of I'm not a big fan of these things. However, I've decided that it's
behooves me to learn it and understand it. So that eventually, when I'm able to hand it off to a VA
or someone else, I'm not just putting, I'm not just putting it in the hands of them and not
having any idea of what's going on. Exactly. Journey that I also took, because I was also a person
that didn't really care about details like that. And so I've become a person who even though I'm
not enjoying it, it's not something that I would like to do on a continuous basis, at least wants
to learn it so that I can understand it because it's part of the business and part of what I'm doing.
Yeah. There's, that is such an old, and there's a lot to unpack in all of that, but I'll try to be
succinct. We want to do just the fun part of the business, which is the serving and the talking
about it because we think it's the greatest freaking thing ever in the world. And it is,
but it is to you, it has to be to somebody else. And unless you're making it about that somebody
else, you're going to struggle a little bit because you're looking to validate you and your
business idea by somebody else liking it and buying it. That is all conditional things. If you
freaking believe that what you have is the best thing since sliced bread, then you take that out
there and you tell every single person and they will start to say yes. McDonald's doesn't care
if you come in and look at the menu and leave without buying. Starbucks doesn't care if you come
in just to use the bathroom and leave without buying. This is the kind of thing that you want to be.
And we started out, we're so keen, wet behind the ears, so excited. And I love the dimension that
you gave to the front end of what you're selling to the back end of what you're building. The other
piece of this, like if you only do the good stuff, have an analogy about babies. So if your mom is
like, oh, I love my baby when they're cute and sleeping and curdling and then they have a big
stinky shit and it gets everywhere. And you're like, oh, no, no, not doing that part of it. I only
want like, or life, you know, like an injury or a bad haircut or a bruise, like you, you
have to take it all and you have to take responsibility for it all. And the real hard truth
is that you are going to be a solopreneur until you have a stable enough monthly recurring revenue
to pay predictably. That is part of your fitness growth and becoming a business owner,
not just an online coach, like one in 500 million, right? That's the difference and that's real
leadership and that's real client service. Because if you're not building a back end
and somebody in a nation and they do need that confirmation that they've made a good choice.
And if you're like at your kid's soccer game and the payment comes through and you don't have an
automation to send them an email and say, welcome, I'm so excited with a cute little video of you
and quick access to something, they're going to start panicking because imagine if you went to the
grocery store and filled your cart and scanned it all through and paid for it, but then didn't get to
take the cart full of shit. You don't want to do it, but tough beans kid, oh, you got to and
I'll brag about myself a little bit. This is one of my areas of geniuses, right? And there's so many
ways to create simple systems to support your business and it's better for you and it's better
for the client. And then you get to stay in that empowered spaciousness of knowing you really got
something real and that's bigger than you. So like the creator of Starbucks is never in the
fricking store, right? The creator of McDonald's or Walmart, they're never in the fricking store because
they've created a system to provide the service. And think about what the system does to your point,
Mia. Okay, what the system does because even without coaching, we give like systems, right? So
when you have the systems and when you do the systems, right, the time that you have left over
the systems, realize time wise or wise because it's like, oh, well, that's done and I could move on to
or just, you know, relax or whatever it is. You know what I mean? There's time savings involved
in having systems in place and efficiency of having systems in place.
And then scalability because as you mentioned, when you do hire your VA,
which a lot of people want to run to as the first team member, imagine them joining and everything's
a mess and they can't find anything. It's like, you know, everything's thrown up all over the place,
they have no idea. They're not going to succeed and then you're going to be frustrated and it's
going to continue to tangle things up. So there is heavy lifting to be done, like with weight loss,
right? You've got to sweat and grunt. Well, and it does and it takes time and I think that's another
puzzle. And I just had a thought, like when I used to work in corporate America, there were
and even when you get in a car or wash or dry, there's manuals that come with this, right?
So like whether you read them or not, I mean, that's not the point, but like, it's like to your
point about systems. The manual is the system, right? It's showing you what to do when you're
working in corporate and you had to read like trainings and whatever else. It's like, that's the
whole point. So it's all, it's, it's all of that.
That makes you a better leader, a better coach and it professionalizes the work that you're doing.
The theme that's coming up for me these days, the softness and the professionalizing of what we're
doing so that it builds confidence to take ourselves seriously, but it also builds confidence in our
audience to feel safe and trust. And it's ironic that we talk about not seeking external circumstances
for internal validation, but we were that version and there's still elements of us that are that
version. So we want to massage that away for us and for them to have smooth experiences, to have
nervous system regulated support in actually running a business, a meaningful business,
and, you know, being able to feel safe to say no to clients as well in that.
Yes. And that's the stepping into the role of leadership as well, which is what I kind of
mentioned alluded to earlier too, is, is, is, that's where the confidence comes in. That's where the
self love, the self validation, that's where that the self believes the deserving see,
believing in and knowing that you are whole worthy as you and loving and trusting and
believing in yourself, right, and knowing and stepping into that vessel as a leader. So there's
the entrepreneur, right, there's the back end, and there's also your leader, whether you like it,
right. And it's stepping into that role, all partedly, and, and, and understanding that,
that, that you're the vessel, and that there are people who need, who are requiring your services,
and that's beautiful, and that's wonderful, and that's fabulous, and it's okay.
Yeah. Yeah. So what are some ways then that you've dug into the back end to help yourself?
System. Yeah, but like, what, like, what, like, are you
So I'm active, actively, actually switching, please, please, the CRM things that I,
that I was doing, I'm in the process of doing that now, but it is having that email sent. So,
so the systems are having that email sent out, when people, of course, that's the first thing,
building an email list, and, and newsletters, I'm actively, those are my, you know, those are
things I'm working on to the end of this year, as well, and doing stuff like that. Like, so right
now, those landing page is another thing working on. You know, so, so those are, those are things
that I have, so like, they're there, for lack of a better way to put it. So those, those are,
yeah, those things that I'm working on at the moment. Yeah, perfect. They're just a few things
easier, right, and they do take a bit of work, but like, really, somebody could smash that out
in a few days time, right, if you had eight hours a day or something, not that you have to only do
that for eight hours, don't freak out guys. You just do the heavy lifting, and then you let it
run, and it's a beautiful thing. And one of the things I'm also doing is accepting help. So like,
from people, like, your banner is not great. And I
So she don't know guys, Karen made a Facebook banner, and it's purple with writing. And I just,
they know her and I love her. And I was like,
And so I made one in Canva for her, put her on a disco stage with a disco ball, and it's, it's
super fun. Right. And that's the other beauty of the sisterhood or of the collective where
we get to do things for each other out of love, just out of love, like,
have such a flippant huge heart of service. And I just sprinkle it wherever I can. And I now
get to control, get to decide how I want to share that and where I want to share that, right.
Not to get anything out of it, just to do it because it feels fucking good to do it.
I think it's so good. I probably stared at that Facebook banner more than Karen has because I love it.
And to that point in the growth portion is, is, you know, you could be someone who doesn't
necessarily accept help because you would on your own, right. And so, yes, that was me too,
saying yes. And, and, and not making it, you were, we talked earlier about not making it about
yourself. Like I knew, like I didn't make the fact that, you know, my banner wasn't great, you know,
your opinion was about me. That's right. Right. I took it as, you know what, I, I, and I saw the
point, like it isn't that great, but you know, and, and I accepted, like I said, I accepted the
help that someone was willing to give me because I knew that, that would benefit. And that's the
thing too. To find it back to the business, like that's part of your business. It's like your
social media is like part of the business. And it was like, no, people want to see like who you are.
How do they get in touch with you as part of the banner? And that's things that, like, these are
things that you don't even think about, but things that have to be learned as you go along.
The receivership in that as a whole other conversation.
It would go on forever, but you know, it's a huge part like it was in a way, it was me
seeking to receive by asking to give something. Okay.
Okay. So port and to care for and to lift up and Karen saying yes was like a way for me to
receive and deliver on my gifts and talents. And Karen saying yes was a way for her to receive
as well. And we, we think we want these things, but when the work comes, we resist. So this is
where we want to soften and it's so much better when we do it together without attachment to an
outcome of any kind. Holy tomatoes. I can't believe the ends of the universe that we've covered in
this incredible conversation. So Karen, now it's time to step onto the powerful stage and share
with the audience what you have to offer. And let's promote that through the listeners and,
you know, continue to help each other live freer, live happy, live peacefully, every simple
mundane, beautifully repetitive, awesomely surprising day.
I can't believe like we just did all that. Anyway, so well, you heard me talking about
the journey and all of, you know, the evolution. So with my course is called unscrew yourself.
Because like I said, it can be ridiculous, but also, you know, it is beautiful. So that is the
name of my course on story itself. So, you know, that's the end of the journey that we take, the
evolution that we take together and how I guide you. And I am also, so that's always available. I
do one-on-one. And I also do group coaching if you like. And on December 10th, if you were like,
I don't know, and I don't want to necessarily have a conversation with you, Karen. I don't know,
I'm not sure. I am doing a free workshop on December 10th at 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time,
creating a magnetic vision slash vision board workshop where we take a little bit of the
evolution. Like I said, we do a vision. We do a really beautiful vision connecting to our
85-year-old self and is how to embody that person and said we do actually do a vision and how to
embody that person. And then we're making a vision board from all of that. That's what we do. So
you have two ways to work with me. Awesome. Awesome. We'll take advantage because, I mean,
obviously Karen's a fun little fireball who lives this work and so I'm so excited to share her with
you. And I just had the best time ever. I think we fucking killed it. Just saying. I think it's awesome.
I love you. Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for sharing yourselves. And we're just
going to keep crushing it out there together. And I want to say thank you and I love you too. And I
also just want to say what you're doing with this podcast and what you put out in the world
is magnificent and wonderful and fabulous. And you are magnificent and wonderful and fabulous.
And you are a gift to this world. And I thank you for allowing me space to be part of it.
I'm honored. Thank you. Bye listeners. We'll catch you soon. We love you.
Thank you.
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