I thought, well, you set yourself up for failure here, my friend.
Welcome to episode four of the Frugal Firearms Podcast, the podcast designed to help you get
the most for your shooting dollar. Get more entertainment, get more pleasure, get more
value. I'm here with my cohost, Ken. Ken, say hello to our listeners.
Hello listeners. Glad to hear that you're coming back and listening to us. I hope you're
enjoying it.
Yeah. In a rapidly expanding show, you know, thank you to our new listeners out there.
If you haven't gone back and listened to the extensive catalog of previous episodes, please
do so. There's value in listening to those as well. But moving forward, we said we're
going to have a steady diet of guests and that is what we're having today as well. Today
we're going to be welcoming on Marcus and Dirk from Modern Spartan Systems, who are
going to be talking about their really broad catalog products, not just gun lubrication,
but other products that help you clean your gun and even do things like help you clean
your glasses. And we're going to talk about why their products in particular, as opposed
to the myriad and universe of other lubrication products out there are the ones that you want
to consider. And Ken, I think you've got experience in this area and what do you expect to hear
from these guys?
Well, I'm particularly excited about one of their products, their carbon destroyer product.
I deal with a lot of older firearms and firearms sometimes I haven't been necessarily well
cared for. And that particular product is excellent about helping to remove fouling
that might've occurred over the last several years or in many cases, century or more of
firearms ownership.
So now I told everyone that we were going to do a show on lubrication products and this
is that show. And why would I want them on so early in the evolution of the podcast?
It's because I experienced something that I never thought I would. I put one of their
products in my car and why my car? Because this isn't an automotive show. Shouldn't I
be talking about guns? But I have a lot more data on the mileage of my car. Now, as we've
alluded to before, I drive a 10 cylinder Audi. That's a very thirsty engine. And I've kept
records on that car ever since I bought it. I know exactly the relationship between average
speed and mileage, which most people don't know. And I also know that that relationship
is something that's predictable on that car. That's very well controlled. And since I had
so much data, I thought, you know, if I take their accuracy oil, which is the product that
we're really going to focus on today, and I try to get enough data to be statistically
significant to a mechanical engineer like myself, I'm going to spend an awful lot of
time and money on rounds and I'm not convinced I'm going to get anything. So I thought, well,
low risk proposition. I'll put it in the car. I didn't expect to get much because I've seen
these claims before I've used engine additives before. Why would this one be different? Well,
let me tell you guys, it was, I put it in the car as soon as I went to Vegas for the
shot show, just to have it soak in the car for a nice long drive. And it's been in the
car ever since. And at first I was getting improvements in mileage for every given speed,
initially about two and a half percent. Now that was more than I expected, but it was
statistically significant because again, I know the car so well, but that number has
been increasing and now I'm seeing numbers six, 7% increase in mileage. So when you talked
about frugal firearms saving money, well, why don't we save some money for ammunition
or go into the range by saving gas in our car? And by the way, save money on those engine
repairs too, because I'm here to tell you, I read the testimonials. I didn't really believe
them, but now I'm putting my reputation out there saying it's real and I am evidence and
I will share the evidence with anyone who wants to see it, that their products do what
they say and within the boundaries of what they say. So I want to turn the floor over
to our guests, Marcus and Dirk from modern Spartan systems and let them run with it.
Tell you guys why you want their products. Marcus and Dirk, the floor is yours, sir.
Thanks, Craig. Yeah. I appreciate being on your show. The old commercial motor oils,
motor oil, it doesn't apply to our stuff. We're so overwhelmingly different, significantly
different where we can impact friction and protect metal and stop wear and how our chemistry
works is extremely unique. And by the way, Craig, it's always good to win over an engineer
because you guys are tough cookies, but when you're on board and you're on board and we
like that. And I forgot to mention too, Dirk, or I'm sorry, Marcus, that that was the reason
I bought the product. And just so listeners know, I wasn't given the product. I bought
it with my own money and I bought it because on another podcast where I initially heard
Marcus talking, he talked about the fact that engineers will be your worst critics and your
worst enemies until you win them over. And I'm an engineer, a mechanical engineer and
not trying to be elitist, but I was also among the most skeptical people. And when you laid
down that challenge saying that once they're won over, they're your best friends and your
best advocates, I thought, well, you set yourself up for failure here, my friend. And the fact
is you didn't, you did not fail. You succeeded. And that is why we wanted you on the show.
So I'm sorry to interrupt, but I wanted to get that backstory out there. And you were
talking about the fact that it's not just, see, it's not just about the old technology
of just oil. Like this oil is better than that oil or my oil is better than your oil.
Oil is just the carrier. It's something underneath the oil that is actually doing the work.
And we talk about it in our branding that it's different chemistry and different results.
That's what you have to really think outside the box. It's a paradigm shift that our product
really is not oil. It's really a metal treatment and metal conditioner that will change really
the performance of many things that have to do with friction.
Yeah. The oil is just the carrier and it's important. And the type of oil and how we
have designed the product is really important. It's thin, but people look at it and they
go, oh, it's so thin. How can it do anything? Well, the oil has nothing to do with the friction
reduction of oil. Like I said, it's just the bus and the little people get out of the bus.
The molecules are going to bond onto the metal. And when they do that, they're not permanent,
but they're there for a good long time. They're very tough bonds. And so when that happens,
you get the benefits primarily of 90% less friction, which is like a magnitude difference.
And anybody that has any questions or wants to understand it, we get videos on the website
where we tested, I had other guys test on a Timken burning machine to friction reduction
compared to all the things we compete against. Not everything we compete against is shown
in the video, but a lot of the good ones are up there and those are good products, but
they're nothing like ours, completely different. And we kill them. We destroy them where we're
cutting the friction. You watch it. And even if you don't know what a Timken burning machine
is, when you watch it, you'll understand it. You'll get it really quick. And so when you
can do that and you can leave a low stick surface on the metal, almost like it's not
Teflon, but like think of Teflon going on a frying pan. You know, nothing can really
stick to it, right? It comes out again. You can burn stuff, but it comes off really easy.
So when you cut that friction, you get benefits. The version of our product, the TVT you're
talking about that went in your car, which is a nice, sounds like a great car, does benefits
like improve gas mileage, lower heat. You can easily double your oil life and you can
easily probably triple it. But you know, we say double and things just last long, run
cooler, run better. They cut the sound down. Lots of people have a lot of sound issues.
They put it in there and it quiets the engines. And I can tell you stories. Like even one
of my good friends has a big company. He buys our stuff in the drum and he's got a lot of
equipment, heavy equipment. And he bought a dump truck. When you're driving that dump
truck back up from Indianapolis to the Chicago area, he said it was so loud. He almost turned
around and brought it back. When he got in there and put the TVT in and it cut that sound
by just a matter of a few minutes by 50 to 75%. So you can see it. One other important
thing in the TVT, and we can't warranty this, but because the friction reduction, the briskey
is now in the metal, that in the oil, if you lost your oil and Dirk can actually tell a
little story, but maybe he'll get in trouble with his wife. But yeah, if you lose your
oil, you could probably run a vehicle for a couple hundred miles with no oil in it.
That's how good the friction reduction is. So how that plays out in guns is something
completely unique. Go ahead, Dirk, if you want to explain.
Yeah. So what's interesting about it is it's a non-patrolling product. And so it immediately
steps out of the game of all the other type of gun oils out there that are patrolling
products. What it really does is there are molecules in there that bond to metal at the
ionic level. It's the strongest bond out there. And that bond actually, I think about it,
if you are like grill on a flat top, right? You're seasoning that metal. And when you
put the oil on it, it's not a one-time deal because it's seasoned it. With our product,
it actually doesn't create that fake layer of carbon on it like your grill or a cast
iron thing. It actually increases the rockwell hardness of the metal and performs like in
gears that actually the gear perform better because they're stiffer and harder. You're
going to have reduced drag and things like that. In a firearm, we translate this friction
to friction reduction in your slides into the friction of the bullet down your barrel.
When you have less friction, less heat, your barrel, especially long range shooters, your
barrel is not going to heat up that much and you're going to have tighter groups. And we've
had many long range shooters, precision coaches, things like that, who have done many studies
and put it in a spreadsheet, standard deviations, and showed students of theirs themselves to
show how by treating your firearms with this product, you are going to see increase in
velocity, better barrel life, less friction, and running actually cooler barrel. We've
seen people actually run thermals on their barrels and seeing how it actually cools things.
So you have to step outside the box and go, hey, maybe there's something out there that
is just not like everything else because it's not.
Let's talk about that too, because you're going really to getting the message out. I
don't know if you know this about advertisers, but advertisers typically don't target older
guys. And the reason is that it's ineffective because most older guys, women too, their
minds are set. They don't change their mind easily. It's not that they're closed minded,
but they're happy in the space that they're in and they don't really expect that there's
anything new that's going to be revolutionary because they've been burned so many times
by things that claim to that and it didn't work.
So when I saw on, it was posted on your website, and by the way, I'm going to encourage people
to go to the website. And at the end, by the way, we're going to mention that we do have
a coupon code that they've generously offered that we'll discuss. But when you start looking
at the evidence behind this, you had a precision shooter you mentioned. So we talk about this
being the frugal firearms podcast. Well, that doesn't mean the cheap firearms podcast.
That means people who want to save money and recognize that they have other things to spend
money on. Right. If you take a guy who's a precision shooter and within 30 rounds, which
isn't much at all increases his is or decreases actually his group size by 58%. That's significant
and that's fast. If you have someone who puts a barrel blank on essentially a Timken bearing
machine and within seconds of running this machine, puts a couple of drops of your oil
on and can't gall the metal where the other ones fail right out of the gate on an actual
barrel. That's impressive. And it's because it's not just another oil that's flashing
off because it hits the flash point and vaporizes. Right. Now I can't measure it. I'm not taking
apart my engine to find out how much difference and where there's going to be. Right. But
when you hear other people talking back on the firearm side who are competitive shooters
who were slide velocity matters and putting it on the rails and increasing slide velocity
and therefore cutting down the cycle time on the gun in ways that are measurable and
can make the difference between winning and losing. I mean, all these are benefits that
are, I don't hear other people making these claims for one thing because maybe they can't,
but what other things have you experienced that say, this is where you should go?
So kind of extreme temperature wise, if we've had people on the extreme colds, a lot of
people have petroleum products and they just start gumming up in cold weather or they lock
up. And we have videos on our site actually of a gentleman that took his AR, seasoned
it with our accuracy oil, threw it in a snowbank, minus 50 below. Okay. If that doesn't lock
up firearms, nothing will. The next day he came out and rips off a whole bunch of rounds
like nothing has happened. In extreme heat on the other side of it, we've had people
that actually some of the large infantry people run this through some of their high-
Real guns.
Yeah. We have real guns, right? High, high temperatures and things like that. And they
do not have the gumming up that a lot of other petroleum based lubricants do when the guns
get super hot. Plus they also are running cooler. And so that's something actually,
we had the Danish military pretty interested in the product because of that fact.
Now, Marcus, didn't you tell me, Marcus, that, I mean, going to that point, Dirk, Marcus,
didn't you tell me once that the genesis of the product actually went into the Vulcan
gun, which is in the Warthog?
Yeah. Well, that's the carbon destroyer.
Okay.
Which is pretty cool. We had a carbon destroyer, which you need to clean the surface like surface
prep, which is a lot of cleaners out there. Our cleaner significantly stands out compared
to anything else. And we get told this over and over, over people love our chemistry for
the cleaner. The carbon destroyer was initially designed to replace the high VOC solvents
that they were using to clean the gun ports and the engines of fighter jets. And so our
chemistry was, that's the history that was developed for that particular purpose. So
this chemistry, even though it's a water-based safe green chemistry, all our stuff is safe
to use too. Why, if you've got wives that don't want you cleaning in the house, you
could clean in the house. They might not even know you're doing it.
Wait a minute. We didn't wait, wait, wait. I love the smell of the original formula of
break free. Or so we're saying we're not, we're getting away from that now.
You can still put that behind your ears, Craig.
Well I ran out of it. And you're telling me that now, remember talking to all guys here,
caustic isn't better. And the more caustic, the better it is that formula doesn't work
anymore.
Something I'm going to let loose on your show a little bit, just a little bit, cause we're
not quite ready yet, but our chemistry is so good. I found out, and there's a big story,
but I won't get into that, that in the firefighting industry, cancer is a big problem. It's a
big growing problem. And the firefighter that I made very good friends with, and now I'm
working quite intently with, told me that when you clean their gear, they clean it with,
they clean the carcinogens with a carcinogenic cleaner. And I said, that's insane. I said,
we'll come up with a product for you. Now our product that we developed for them has
already tested the grate, is a version of the carbon destroyer. So that product, you
know, a version of it is going to be used probably in a big way in a firefighting industry,
cause we want to keep people safe. So that product is, there's something you want to
get out of carbon out. And if you put it on a gun that you think is already clean, like
if you clean it and you go, we're all good, don't need to clean it anymore. Put some more
stuff on there, let it sit for a couple of minutes, maybe agitate a little bit and you'll
see more gunk come out of the metal almost every time. And that freaks people out to
go, I thought I cleaned it. Well, you didn't, you didn't get it super clean. We're super
cleaning beneath the surface and that way clears the road for the accuracy oil and the
molecules have more place to bond onto for the accuracy oil. So you want to use both
of those products together and that's a phenomenal one, two punch.
Right. Craig, how many times have you seen guys, you know, put a couple of drops of their
oil on a swab and run that through a patch and run that through their gun. And they're
like, Ooh, this is really doing a whole lot. They've got two drops on there and they think,
Hey, this has done a whole lot. We really, in our cleaner, we really say, Hey, don't
be shy with it. Because what we're trying to do is actually let the chemicals actually
do the work on the metal and not just rubbing something through it and friction on it. So
again, it's a different chemical or, you know, different chemistry, different results, a
little bit different process than just putting a couple of drops on. We really wanted to
soak in, give it time to use that chemical reaction. My dad had a 16 gated head and cleaned
for 25 years and the stuff just, I mean, it was just ridiculous running out. We've had
muzzle loaders, muzzle loaders, the carbon destroyer works fantastic on muzzle loaders
or revolvers, you know, like a super blackhawk. There gets to be a lot of carbon built up
on that revolver and works fantastic. If you give it just a little bit of time, don't just
put it on and quick rub it or scrape it off. Like you do with all the other stuff that's
out there. I say the word stuff.
That's a fair, but that's fair though, because if the, if categorically, I'm not criticizing
other products, but if categorically they fundamentally work differently, then it is
okay to just lump them together. If what you do is in fact fundamentally operating at a
different level, I don't mean that in the physical, well, I guess at a physical level,
it is operating differently, but the methodology by which it works is different because again,
my skepticism was you're not going to get molecular binding without either electrolysis,
without very high temperatures and heat in a constant environment, you know, without
some other methodology of preparing the metal, but the evidence, the pragmatic side is the
evidence suggests that that's exactly what is happening. Why don't you talk for a second
Dirk about, again, nobody is here is recommending that we run our, our gear sets dry or that
we don't lubricate things, but there were a couple of examples that kind of speak to
the product and the fact that it does bind to the metal when they did run the product,
when they did, I think it was a gearbox you mentioned, right? That was run dry and ran
cooler even without lubrication. Yeah. So a buddy of mine owns a gearbox that he makes
for Aaron's tractors and Aaron's trucks and things like that. And he, he ran it in and
he did test two brand new gearboxes. Both had their regular oil in it. And in one of
them he put the additive, not just replace oil, but put the additive in it in a small
portion. It wasn't 50 50, just a few, few ounces per gallon. Right. And what he did
is he sees them for about 20 minutes, 25 minutes and, and got the temperatures up, dropped
the oil on them both. And then looked at what happened. And the one without the additive
in seized up very fast within less than five minutes. And the other one was running two
and a half hours later with no oil in it. And it was still running 30 degrees cooler
when the other one had oil in it. And I said, Alex, you know, that's great, but can you
put the screws to it? You're from Missouri, you know, you like to break things and that
kind of stuff. And so what he did is he sent me a video and he's kept turning up the RPMs
on it and his gearboxes. He's, he's like, my brother and I can't believe this. We're
running twice the rate capacity. These gearboxes are, and they're running 30 degrees cooler
than they did with our oil. So that's just incredible. I think this is ridiculous because
I mean, that, that just flies in the face of so much other experience that says, you
know, if you even run low on oil, let alone run out, you're going to spam whatever it
is and it's over.
Clean it very well with the carbon destroyer. You finish it up with the copper and lead
destroyer because again, those are two different types of chemicals and you want to take those
out separately. The carbon first, then the copper and lead and then treat your metal
that'll fill in the pores and condition that metal with the accuracy oil. And that accuracy
oil isn't a one time deal that you run it through. It's really a shoot, run some more
oil through it, shoot again, about five rounds, you know, run some more oil through it, shoot
again. And you're seasoning that barrel.
So we, we make sure though, but we don't want it. We don't want to make the case that in
perpetuity you're still going to have to be adding in the oil. What you're really doing
is you're trying to seed it in the pores and then at some point you can back off of continuing
to add oil. I just want to make that clear to people so that they don't think that they're
constantly swapping their barrels every three to five rounds.
So let me, let me explain the process to you, which is something that you're interested
in when you get your gun. If it's a brand new gun, you want to shoot about 40, at least
40, 50 rounds first through it with nothing in it. Nothing, not our stuff. It's kind of
a, it's a basic break in to pull off burrs and things like that. If you, once you do
that, then you want to do our breaking. If it's an older barrel, then you're good. But
if it's brand new, do it that way. So you clean everything from the trigger to everything
to the tip of the barrel, right? And then with that, with the carbon destroyer, you
pull everything out of there. We also have a copper lead destroyer, which is a really
good formula as well. And so you clean it and then you lube everything, every piece
of metal inside that gun you want our stuff on, including the trigger, because it will
light the pull on the trigger too, and it will protect it and everything else. And then
when you do a one time conditioning on the barrel, what Dirk was saying, you shoot a
couple rounds, you reapply the accuracy oil, shoot a couple more rounds, do that a total
of five applications, that'll fully saturate your barrel. And if you did that and you're
looking through a chronograph, you'll see your velocity and other numbers improve quite
a bit. And it depends on the gun and the bullets. So it might be a little bit, it might be a
lot, but it's going to improve and you get all those other benefits. So then after that,
when it's time to clean your gun, then you repeat, but you don't need to do that barrel
breaking. And I'll tell you something else really important. One of the major benefits
for people is a lot of people don't like to clean their guns. Well, guess what? Because
of once you've done that with our stuff, you can go probably two to three times longer
before you need to clean that gun out. And when you do clean it out, because everything's
sitting on the top, it's going to cut the cleaning time at least in half. You've had
a time that's even easier than that.
And money is time. So in time is money. So that actually works out pretty well if we're
saving time and making it easier and increasing the enjoyment factor just because, do I even
want to take this gun to the range today because it's a bear to clean and is it even worth
taking?
And as a competition shooter, Craig and Ken, I mean, do you guys see a difference in the
barrel life of your firearms? And I know long range shooters that I know see that they run
so many shots through that they see a deterioration in their barrels.
Yeah. One of the guns I have is a 22-250, which is a round, basically I think it's one
of the fastest factory rounds you can get out there with a light bullet, around 40 grains
or so. You can push that to velocity up to 4,000 plus feet per second, which is screaming
fast. So I'm going to be trying this out and we're going to set up the Craig's Chronograph
and we're going to run it a few rounds with one way and we're going to run it a few rounds
after we've seasoned the barrel with the product and see what we can see.
Yeah. I think you're going to see some really interesting results and you take your baseline
and you compare it to after your fifth application on there and you're going to see some nice
improvements and we got Charlie Melton and Brad Starr. Charlie Melton's a really hero
Navy SEAL sniper, sniper instructor, trained guys like Chris Kyle and Marcus and Morgan
Latrell, people like that. And he and Brad, Brad owns Performance Guns and he's one of
the top custom sniper rifle makers in the world. And those guys did a couple of years back
to their 5,025 yard shot and they're big, huge fans of our stuff and they'll tell you
that that makes a difference. And they're obviously not the main cause, but we're a
factor. And so you got people like that and Rex Tibor and again, lots of snipers and really
high end shooters, a lot of competition shooters, a lot of hunters, people all over the place
that know what they're talking about when they use our stuff, like you're finding out,
they love it. And yeah, it can be really interesting to see what kind of results you get when you're
doing it. But I think you're going to be very happy.
So let's talk for a second about value here. Your products are not the cheapest out there.
And then again, we are comparing apples to oranges in a lot of ways. How much you're getting
feedback though, apparently on increasing the longevity of the gun. I mean, because
the cost of your product pales in comparison to a worn out part on a rare gun. It compares
very favorably to worn out pistons on my V10. So I think that you-
Well, or think about a competition shooter that makes money off what they do.
That's right.
So it's the same thing. I want to just give, as the marketing guy here, our website is
in the process of being updated and changed. So if you go to it, it might be a little awkward
junkie right now. You can Google or YouTube a lot of different things, just looking for
modern Spartan. A lot of people have done reviews on it. But Marcus, what's the promo
code? I just wanted to give that out to Craig and the listeners to make sure that we have
that before we run out of time.
The promo code is FFP, right?
Exactly.
FFB for 10% discount. Oh, and let me add in something before I forget too. One of the
value added benefits to this stuff, besides it being green and safe to use, and you can
use it around kids and pets and you can use it inside and your wife's not going to kick
you out of the house. But one of the other benefits is if you get something that's got
corrosion, not only will it protect from corrosion, but you can use our stuff to remove the corrosion.
It might take a little while, but we can rehab guns and fishing reels and things with our
product because of how the modules work to get underneath the corrosive oxidizers and
they'll push them off. And so you can restore old guns. We've had people take guns they
found in the swamp that were, they said, we'll never do anything, but they learned about
our stuff. They used it and they're like, their brand is a brand new gun. So yeah.
Fantastic. Yes. So look us up, find out more stuff. Follow our Facebook page, our Instagram.
You know, if you have questions, you will hit me directly on that. And if I don't have
the answer for you, I will go to our approach. Some of our pro shooters or some of our coaches
that know way more than I would ever dream of for that information and get that out to
you because we really want to have that communication. Again, just don't say it's snake oil because
that's what we hear a lot. You know, you got to really give it a try. I mean, really just
give it a try and think, Hey, this is a different, different chemistry, different results. And
I'm just like Craig has experienced. Not only do you see it in your vehicles, but you can,
you know, we've got the product for firearms. We've also got product for knives. We also,
Craig, I don't know if you've seen that yet, but we do have the accuracy oil has been blended
with the red lithium grease. And a lot of people like putting that in their rails, that
red lithium it's called the accuracy grease. That's going to be one of the next things
I, yeah, I'm going to order that too. And, and you even have, you even have something
for glass cleaning. I mean, of all the, of all the things, I wouldn't have expected that
to be in there. That's certainly not accuracy oil, but no, but think about that for your
optics. Yeah, Craig, it's a, actually it's a brand new, we've upgraded is a great formula
to begin with. And we've actually upgraded that again. So it's going to be even better.
It's gentle and mild, but you can use it on high end optics. You can use it on your glasses,
sunglasses, smartphones. You can use it on the exterior of your gun, all that. So the
best thing to get, I would recommend people get the starter kit plus, because that's got
all the products in one nice, neat package. It's a, I call the click box. So it's easy
to carry around and move, but it's got the accuracy oil, accuracy grease, the carbon
destroyer, the copper lead destroyer and the crystal clear lens cleaner. It's all in one
nice package. So it's a really good value. And I'll add that for the listeners, it's,
it's not just the starter kits that are available. If you want larger quantities, I went ahead
and bought the accuracy oil in the large bottle right out of the gate, because it, it, it
sure seemed like it was going to do the job. And if you want to try it, definitely start
with the starter kit or a sampler kit and then move up from there. But I've been again,
very impressed with, and I was, I told you upfront, I was going to be the hardest guy
to convince and you convinced me and, and now I'm all about it and I'm going to, I'm
going to tell everyone, uh, you know, not that we talk about lubrication at parties
and things like that very often, but every time I get the opportunity to have the conversation,
I'm going to have that conversation and, and, and push it. Yeah. So I want to thank you
guys. It's about value, right? So it is, you get so many benefits out of it that if you
know what you're looking at and you, and you get accuracy and reliability in all environments
and you get easy cleanup time, you get longer barrel life and on and on and on, this is
really you're investing in something. It's way more compared to anything else in the
market. So it's really making your stuff better.
And it does not, and value does not have to be monetary value could be, I simply got more
enjoyment out of the money and time I spent. And that right there would be enough. So I
want to thank you guys for coming on the show. Any closing comments at all? Ken and I'll,
we'll take it from here and, and we'll mention one more time that, uh, discount code that
you generously offered, but yeah, the floor is yours. And if you have anything else to
add,
Derek, yeah. Modern spartan systems.com. Yes, indeed. And I would just say the same thing,
try our products. We got great stuff. We get others, other things that we're highly involved
in too, like our specialty coatings for firearms and that, if you're, if you're an FFL or you're
a gunsmith, uh, definitely come, you know, get involved with their stuff. It will really
make a big difference. And if you, if you use it, you'll love it. That's just how it
works. All right. Thanks again, guys. Appreciate it. Thank you gentlemen. Appreciate it. Bye
guys. Bye. Well, I appreciate the jerk and Marcus coming down today with us and, uh,
I'd like to use some of the lubrication products, particularly on my 22, 250. I'm going to check
out the velocity potential increases there as well as spending the money on that to,
to find out how many rounds are we going to have to use to find that out? I mean, it doesn't
sound like many, but, uh, this is on your dime. Ken. I know I'm a reloader and the thing
about it is, uh, they does use the standard five, five, six projectile. So it's kind of
like a 22, 250 is kind of like a two 23 or five, five, six on steroids. And I'm very
much looking forward to see what sort of velocity increases we can see there. Yeah. We're going
to have to get out to a greater range than we typically shoot at because our range is
limited to only 200 yards. So maybe we'll have to, we'll chronograph it at the barrel,
but we'll want to see, you know, what those long range groups will do. How far have you
shot that gun before? Oh, probably a little over 400 yards, which in many ways is the
limit maybe out 500, depending on the bullet weight, lighter bullet weights are faster.
Uh, heavier bullets can go out a little bit farther. Uh, that 22, 250 round was selected
by certain countries as being their sniper round, uh, or counter sniper round, I suppose
you call it because of its incredible speed. You're getting upwards of 4,000 feet per second.
And if you're going to take a shot like that, you want that round to get there as quickly
as possible. Yeah. And at those kinds of rounds, you'll get, uh, sorry, those kinds of speeds,
you'll get a lot of throat erosion. Absolutely. That's where the lubrication, you know, it's
going to really take a, take a hit. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe we need a borescope, um, uh, to
take a look at the condition of your barrel before and after that would be an interesting
project. It would be, and then I'll have to look into possibly getting on a borescope
or, or if you're a manufacturer of borescopes and you would like to be featured on the show,
then we would be more than happy to evaluate your product. Absolutely. And if it meets
our standards and something we like, then then we'll feature you on the show as well.
Hey, by the way, something that we always like to include in the show, but we're going
to expand a little bit on this time. Is this a legal show? Ken? Uh, this is not a legal
show in the fact that we are not lawyers. No. Right. And so anything that we say is
strictly our opinion. Yes. And those, and not the opinion of the podcast networks across
our representation. But one thing we'd like to add to is, you know, any of the products
that we talk about while we believe in them and we're willing to take any appropriate
risk to use those products, you have to evaluate your own risk as well. Just because we say
it's good, doesn't mean it's the perfect product for you. Now I feel very confident that the
modern Spartan systems products are right for a very, very broad spectrum of, of the
shooting universe. But at the same time, you're responsible for doing your own homework on
these things. You're responsible for the research and you're responsible for ultimately using
them responsibly just as you would if you were carrying a gun, right? You're responsible
for every round that goes down range. Don't, don't look, if things don't go right, don't
look to blame anyone, but yourself. Isn't that, isn't that the case? Absolutely the
case. Uh, one of the things is you cannot call around back after it has left your left
the barrel. It's going to go where it's going to go. And you are responsible for that. Yeah.
So it'll be the same for that and all the products that we talk about, uh, you know,
just take that individual responsibility. Another topic that I wanted to address was
the types of products that we have featured on the frugal firearms podcast. Now understand
that a lot of those products, this being a value centered show are going to be things
that are made overseas. A lot of them are going to come from China to be quite honest.
And while Ken and I both absolutely agree and support the idea that you should be buying
American wherever you can, it doesn't necessarily mean the product that is going to fit your
budget and fit your needs is going to be a U S based product. I had a conversation some
time ago with one of the big optics manufacturers and they pointed out to me that even among
companies that you think would be U S based firms, that their products are actually built
at least the glass overseas and why a lot of the problem with that is that glass is
a very difficult thing to do in the United States because of various environmental regulations
and our guests from modern Spartan systems are in the chemical business. Not an easy
thing to do in the United States, but the differentiator here is that they are doing
it in the United States and those are U S made products. So I really want to hopefully
get people enthused about buying modern Spartan systems products because they are U S based.
I'm going to put that link to the ability to save 10% into the show notes, but if you
don't go to the show notes, you can still get to their website, which is modern spartan
systems.com and at checkout use the discount code FFP short for frugal firearms podcast
and you'll get that 10% and you'll be helping the show. So we're going to be looking forward
to having another show coming up relatively soon. There are a couple of different opportunities
that we have to get guests on. I'm not sure which one's going to be next. What sort of
products do you want to talk about coming up in the future here?
Ken?
Well, you know, I am a reloader and there are some ways that people could look into
reloading and I think there, that would be an area that I would like to talk about because
you can literally get into it for about a hundred bucks and possibly, and you can go
into the multi thousands as well. It depends on volume and so forth, but that's something
I would like to broach. Maybe a multiple.
How much, how much do you think you've saved on doing reloading as opposed to what you've
mentioned the 22 to 50 that we're going to try accuracy oil in that rifle on, if you're
buying factory loads, how much do you think you'd be spending as a function of reloading
them yourself?
I think you could easily save two thirds of the price of a factory round and the fact
that you can actually dial down a particular road or round or dial it up for the particular
projectile that you have. That is something that you can't get at all in the factory load.
So we'll have to be, we'll have to be careful though, because the engineer in me is, is
seeing all kinds of variables coming at us. So you'll have to dial in a load and then
we're going to have to stick with that particular load for testing the efficacy of, of accuracy
oil. And by the way, once we get that data for our listeners, we're going to, we're going
to talk about that in a future show and see, you know, did we see a difference? What kind
of difference did we see? But keeping in mind that, you know, my data point wasn't a firearms
thing. It was my car, but I don't know if I'm saving over a hundred dollars a year on
a product that costs 30, which was the, you know, the bottle that I bought. That's a pretty
good return on investment. And, and again, if it makes the life of the car or the gun
that much greater than I can't even measure that number.
Absolutely. And I've even got some ideas about other types of mechanical devices that need
lubrication where this type of lubricant would be a, would be a benefit. So I'm looking forward
to possibly even testing it out there.
Yeah. Maybe you're reloading press. So you're not getting, you know, trying to use that
in lieu of going to the gym for a workout.
Indeed. Reloading presses are the least of ones I have are very, very good. So, yeah.
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