1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,800 I thought, well, you set yourself up for failure here, my friend. 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:33,480 Welcome to episode four of the Frugal Firearms Podcast, the podcast designed to help you get 3 00:00:33,480 --> 00:00:38,320 the most for your shooting dollar. Get more entertainment, get more pleasure, get more 4 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,360 value. I'm here with my cohost, Ken. Ken, say hello to our listeners. 5 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,520 Hello listeners. Glad to hear that you're coming back and listening to us. I hope you're 6 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:47,520 enjoying it. 7 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,880 Yeah. In a rapidly expanding show, you know, thank you to our new listeners out there. 8 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:57,160 If you haven't gone back and listened to the extensive catalog of previous episodes, please 9 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:02,480 do so. There's value in listening to those as well. But moving forward, we said we're 10 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:07,960 going to have a steady diet of guests and that is what we're having today as well. Today 11 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:13,240 we're going to be welcoming on Marcus and Dirk from Modern Spartan Systems, who are 12 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:19,080 going to be talking about their really broad catalog products, not just gun lubrication, 13 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,160 but other products that help you clean your gun and even do things like help you clean 14 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:28,000 your glasses. And we're going to talk about why their products in particular, as opposed 15 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:33,080 to the myriad and universe of other lubrication products out there are the ones that you want 16 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,960 to consider. And Ken, I think you've got experience in this area and what do you expect to hear 17 00:01:37,960 --> 00:01:38,960 from these guys? 18 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:43,560 Well, I'm particularly excited about one of their products, their carbon destroyer product. 19 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,080 I deal with a lot of older firearms and firearms sometimes I haven't been necessarily well 20 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:53,120 cared for. And that particular product is excellent about helping to remove fouling 21 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:58,680 that might've occurred over the last several years or in many cases, century or more of 22 00:01:58,680 --> 00:01:59,680 firearms ownership. 23 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,880 So now I told everyone that we were going to do a show on lubrication products and this 24 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:10,080 is that show. And why would I want them on so early in the evolution of the podcast? 25 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,840 It's because I experienced something that I never thought I would. I put one of their 26 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,800 products in my car and why my car? Because this isn't an automotive show. Shouldn't I 27 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:26,160 be talking about guns? But I have a lot more data on the mileage of my car. Now, as we've 28 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:32,280 alluded to before, I drive a 10 cylinder Audi. That's a very thirsty engine. And I've kept 29 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:37,800 records on that car ever since I bought it. I know exactly the relationship between average 30 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:44,080 speed and mileage, which most people don't know. And I also know that that relationship 31 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:49,920 is something that's predictable on that car. That's very well controlled. And since I had 32 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:55,120 so much data, I thought, you know, if I take their accuracy oil, which is the product that 33 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,580 we're really going to focus on today, and I try to get enough data to be statistically 34 00:02:59,580 --> 00:03:04,440 significant to a mechanical engineer like myself, I'm going to spend an awful lot of 35 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:11,720 time and money on rounds and I'm not convinced I'm going to get anything. So I thought, well, 36 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:16,860 low risk proposition. I'll put it in the car. I didn't expect to get much because I've seen 37 00:03:16,860 --> 00:03:21,840 these claims before I've used engine additives before. Why would this one be different? Well, 38 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:26,200 let me tell you guys, it was, I put it in the car as soon as I went to Vegas for the 39 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,920 shot show, just to have it soak in the car for a nice long drive. And it's been in the 40 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:37,280 car ever since. And at first I was getting improvements in mileage for every given speed, 41 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,600 initially about two and a half percent. Now that was more than I expected, but it was 42 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,920 statistically significant because again, I know the car so well, but that number has 43 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:51,660 been increasing and now I'm seeing numbers six, 7% increase in mileage. So when you talked 44 00:03:51,660 --> 00:03:57,000 about frugal firearms saving money, well, why don't we save some money for ammunition 45 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,640 or go into the range by saving gas in our car? And by the way, save money on those engine 46 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:07,200 repairs too, because I'm here to tell you, I read the testimonials. I didn't really believe 47 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:13,480 them, but now I'm putting my reputation out there saying it's real and I am evidence and 48 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:18,480 I will share the evidence with anyone who wants to see it, that their products do what 49 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,640 they say and within the boundaries of what they say. So I want to turn the floor over 50 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:28,240 to our guests, Marcus and Dirk from modern Spartan systems and let them run with it. 51 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,960 Tell you guys why you want their products. Marcus and Dirk, the floor is yours, sir. 52 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:40,880 Thanks, Craig. Yeah. I appreciate being on your show. The old commercial motor oils, 53 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:47,440 motor oil, it doesn't apply to our stuff. We're so overwhelmingly different, significantly 54 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:54,960 different where we can impact friction and protect metal and stop wear and how our chemistry 55 00:04:54,960 --> 00:05:01,440 works is extremely unique. And by the way, Craig, it's always good to win over an engineer 56 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:06,480 because you guys are tough cookies, but when you're on board and you're on board and we 57 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:13,200 like that. And I forgot to mention too, Dirk, or I'm sorry, Marcus, that that was the reason 58 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,320 I bought the product. And just so listeners know, I wasn't given the product. I bought 59 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:22,040 it with my own money and I bought it because on another podcast where I initially heard 60 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,200 Marcus talking, he talked about the fact that engineers will be your worst critics and your 61 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:31,640 worst enemies until you win them over. And I'm an engineer, a mechanical engineer and 62 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:36,640 not trying to be elitist, but I was also among the most skeptical people. And when you laid 63 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,520 down that challenge saying that once they're won over, they're your best friends and your 64 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:47,800 best advocates, I thought, well, you set yourself up for failure here, my friend. And the fact 65 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:53,440 is you didn't, you did not fail. You succeeded. And that is why we wanted you on the show. 66 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,920 So I'm sorry to interrupt, but I wanted to get that backstory out there. And you were 67 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,600 talking about the fact that it's not just, see, it's not just about the old technology 68 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,600 of just oil. Like this oil is better than that oil or my oil is better than your oil. 69 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:10,480 Oil is just the carrier. It's something underneath the oil that is actually doing the work. 70 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:16,640 And we talk about it in our branding that it's different chemistry and different results. 71 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:21,120 That's what you have to really think outside the box. It's a paradigm shift that our product 72 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:27,440 really is not oil. It's really a metal treatment and metal conditioner that will change really 73 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,280 the performance of many things that have to do with friction. 74 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:36,840 Yeah. The oil is just the carrier and it's important. And the type of oil and how we 75 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:41,120 have designed the product is really important. It's thin, but people look at it and they 76 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:45,000 go, oh, it's so thin. How can it do anything? Well, the oil has nothing to do with the friction 77 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,320 reduction of oil. Like I said, it's just the bus and the little people get out of the bus. 78 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:55,200 The molecules are going to bond onto the metal. And when they do that, they're not permanent, 79 00:06:55,200 --> 00:07:02,220 but they're there for a good long time. They're very tough bonds. And so when that happens, 80 00:07:02,220 --> 00:07:08,800 you get the benefits primarily of 90% less friction, which is like a magnitude difference. 81 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:14,920 And anybody that has any questions or wants to understand it, we get videos on the website 82 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:20,480 where we tested, I had other guys test on a Timken burning machine to friction reduction 83 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,560 compared to all the things we compete against. Not everything we compete against is shown 84 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,640 in the video, but a lot of the good ones are up there and those are good products, but 85 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:34,680 they're nothing like ours, completely different. And we kill them. We destroy them where we're 86 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,320 cutting the friction. You watch it. And even if you don't know what a Timken burning machine 87 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,320 is, when you watch it, you'll understand it. You'll get it really quick. And so when you 88 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:48,280 can do that and you can leave a low stick surface on the metal, almost like it's not 89 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,640 Teflon, but like think of Teflon going on a frying pan. You know, nothing can really 90 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,520 stick to it, right? It comes out again. You can burn stuff, but it comes off really easy. 91 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:01,280 So when you cut that friction, you get benefits. The version of our product, the TVT you're 92 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:07,260 talking about that went in your car, which is a nice, sounds like a great car, does benefits 93 00:08:07,260 --> 00:08:14,120 like improve gas mileage, lower heat. You can easily double your oil life and you can 94 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:19,360 easily probably triple it. But you know, we say double and things just last long, run 95 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:24,520 cooler, run better. They cut the sound down. Lots of people have a lot of sound issues. 96 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,680 They put it in there and it quiets the engines. And I can tell you stories. Like even one 97 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:33,900 of my good friends has a big company. He buys our stuff in the drum and he's got a lot of 98 00:08:33,900 --> 00:08:38,880 equipment, heavy equipment. And he bought a dump truck. When you're driving that dump 99 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:46,160 truck back up from Indianapolis to the Chicago area, he said it was so loud. He almost turned 100 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:51,080 around and brought it back. When he got in there and put the TVT in and it cut that sound 101 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:58,320 by just a matter of a few minutes by 50 to 75%. So you can see it. One other important 102 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:04,920 thing in the TVT, and we can't warranty this, but because the friction reduction, the briskey 103 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:10,440 is now in the metal, that in the oil, if you lost your oil and Dirk can actually tell a 104 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,200 little story, but maybe he'll get in trouble with his wife. But yeah, if you lose your 105 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:19,080 oil, you could probably run a vehicle for a couple hundred miles with no oil in it. 106 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:24,200 That's how good the friction reduction is. So how that plays out in guns is something 107 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,640 completely unique. Go ahead, Dirk, if you want to explain. 108 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:35,280 Yeah. So what's interesting about it is it's a non-patrolling product. And so it immediately 109 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,720 steps out of the game of all the other type of gun oils out there that are patrolling 110 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,680 products. What it really does is there are molecules in there that bond to metal at the 111 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:49,240 ionic level. It's the strongest bond out there. And that bond actually, I think about it, 112 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:56,240 if you are like grill on a flat top, right? You're seasoning that metal. And when you 113 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:01,320 put the oil on it, it's not a one-time deal because it's seasoned it. With our product, 114 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:07,400 it actually doesn't create that fake layer of carbon on it like your grill or a cast 115 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:12,400 iron thing. It actually increases the rockwell hardness of the metal and performs like in 116 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,480 gears that actually the gear perform better because they're stiffer and harder. You're 117 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:22,040 going to have reduced drag and things like that. In a firearm, we translate this friction 118 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:29,640 to friction reduction in your slides into the friction of the bullet down your barrel. 119 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:34,320 When you have less friction, less heat, your barrel, especially long range shooters, your 120 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,880 barrel is not going to heat up that much and you're going to have tighter groups. And we've 121 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:44,220 had many long range shooters, precision coaches, things like that, who have done many studies 122 00:10:44,220 --> 00:10:50,140 and put it in a spreadsheet, standard deviations, and showed students of theirs themselves to 123 00:10:50,140 --> 00:10:55,520 show how by treating your firearms with this product, you are going to see increase in 124 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:00,840 velocity, better barrel life, less friction, and running actually cooler barrel. We've 125 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:06,000 seen people actually run thermals on their barrels and seeing how it actually cools things. 126 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:11,240 So you have to step outside the box and go, hey, maybe there's something out there that 127 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:16,840 is just not like everything else because it's not. 128 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,680 Let's talk about that too, because you're going really to getting the message out. I 129 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:24,840 don't know if you know this about advertisers, but advertisers typically don't target older 130 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:31,840 guys. And the reason is that it's ineffective because most older guys, women too, their 131 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:37,120 minds are set. They don't change their mind easily. It's not that they're closed minded, 132 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,840 but they're happy in the space that they're in and they don't really expect that there's 133 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,680 anything new that's going to be revolutionary because they've been burned so many times 134 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:50,280 by things that claim to that and it didn't work. 135 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,920 So when I saw on, it was posted on your website, and by the way, I'm going to encourage people 136 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,360 to go to the website. And at the end, by the way, we're going to mention that we do have 137 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:05,400 a coupon code that they've generously offered that we'll discuss. But when you start looking 138 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,560 at the evidence behind this, you had a precision shooter you mentioned. So we talk about this 139 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:14,600 being the frugal firearms podcast. Well, that doesn't mean the cheap firearms podcast. 140 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,260 That means people who want to save money and recognize that they have other things to spend 141 00:12:18,260 --> 00:12:24,360 money on. Right. If you take a guy who's a precision shooter and within 30 rounds, which 142 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:32,200 isn't much at all increases his is or decreases actually his group size by 58%. That's significant 143 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:38,720 and that's fast. If you have someone who puts a barrel blank on essentially a Timken bearing 144 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,880 machine and within seconds of running this machine, puts a couple of drops of your oil 145 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:49,880 on and can't gall the metal where the other ones fail right out of the gate on an actual 146 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:56,080 barrel. That's impressive. And it's because it's not just another oil that's flashing 147 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:02,000 off because it hits the flash point and vaporizes. Right. Now I can't measure it. I'm not taking 148 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,800 apart my engine to find out how much difference and where there's going to be. Right. But 149 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,840 when you hear other people talking back on the firearm side who are competitive shooters 150 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:16,040 who were slide velocity matters and putting it on the rails and increasing slide velocity 151 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:21,320 and therefore cutting down the cycle time on the gun in ways that are measurable and 152 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:25,360 can make the difference between winning and losing. I mean, all these are benefits that 153 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:30,840 are, I don't hear other people making these claims for one thing because maybe they can't, 154 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:36,480 but what other things have you experienced that say, this is where you should go? 155 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:43,320 So kind of extreme temperature wise, if we've had people on the extreme colds, a lot of 156 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:48,080 people have petroleum products and they just start gumming up in cold weather or they lock 157 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:55,460 up. And we have videos on our site actually of a gentleman that took his AR, seasoned 158 00:13:55,460 --> 00:14:01,560 it with our accuracy oil, threw it in a snowbank, minus 50 below. Okay. If that doesn't lock 159 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:07,680 up firearms, nothing will. The next day he came out and rips off a whole bunch of rounds 160 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:13,280 like nothing has happened. In extreme heat on the other side of it, we've had people 161 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:19,640 that actually some of the large infantry people run this through some of their high- 162 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:20,640 Real guns. 163 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:27,080 Yeah. We have real guns, right? High, high temperatures and things like that. And they 164 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:33,320 do not have the gumming up that a lot of other petroleum based lubricants do when the guns 165 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,960 get super hot. Plus they also are running cooler. And so that's something actually, 166 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,640 we had the Danish military pretty interested in the product because of that fact. 167 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:47,840 Now, Marcus, didn't you tell me, Marcus, that, I mean, going to that point, Dirk, Marcus, 168 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:52,560 didn't you tell me once that the genesis of the product actually went into the Vulcan 169 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,640 gun, which is in the Warthog? 170 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,960 Yeah. Well, that's the carbon destroyer. 171 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:58,960 Okay. 172 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:05,120 Which is pretty cool. We had a carbon destroyer, which you need to clean the surface like surface 173 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:10,220 prep, which is a lot of cleaners out there. Our cleaner significantly stands out compared 174 00:15:10,220 --> 00:15:15,880 to anything else. And we get told this over and over, over people love our chemistry for 175 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:21,120 the cleaner. The carbon destroyer was initially designed to replace the high VOC solvents 176 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:26,320 that they were using to clean the gun ports and the engines of fighter jets. And so our 177 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,880 chemistry was, that's the history that was developed for that particular purpose. So 178 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:35,180 this chemistry, even though it's a water-based safe green chemistry, all our stuff is safe 179 00:15:35,180 --> 00:15:39,360 to use too. Why, if you've got wives that don't want you cleaning in the house, you 180 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,640 could clean in the house. They might not even know you're doing it. 181 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,920 Wait a minute. We didn't wait, wait, wait. I love the smell of the original formula of 182 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,840 break free. Or so we're saying we're not, we're getting away from that now. 183 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,720 You can still put that behind your ears, Craig. 184 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:57,600 Well I ran out of it. And you're telling me that now, remember talking to all guys here, 185 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:02,520 caustic isn't better. And the more caustic, the better it is that formula doesn't work 186 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:03,520 anymore. 187 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,040 Something I'm going to let loose on your show a little bit, just a little bit, cause we're 188 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:12,120 not quite ready yet, but our chemistry is so good. I found out, and there's a big story, 189 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:17,680 but I won't get into that, that in the firefighting industry, cancer is a big problem. It's a 190 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:22,480 big growing problem. And the firefighter that I made very good friends with, and now I'm 191 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:29,520 working quite intently with, told me that when you clean their gear, they clean it with, 192 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:34,960 they clean the carcinogens with a carcinogenic cleaner. And I said, that's insane. I said, 193 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,880 we'll come up with a product for you. Now our product that we developed for them has 194 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:45,360 already tested the grate, is a version of the carbon destroyer. So that product, you 195 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:50,360 know, a version of it is going to be used probably in a big way in a firefighting industry, 196 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,960 cause we want to keep people safe. So that product is, there's something you want to 197 00:16:54,960 --> 00:17:00,160 get out of carbon out. And if you put it on a gun that you think is already clean, like 198 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,320 if you clean it and you go, we're all good, don't need to clean it anymore. Put some more 199 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,520 stuff on there, let it sit for a couple of minutes, maybe agitate a little bit and you'll 200 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,960 see more gunk come out of the metal almost every time. And that freaks people out to 201 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:16,180 go, I thought I cleaned it. Well, you didn't, you didn't get it super clean. We're super 202 00:17:16,180 --> 00:17:21,640 cleaning beneath the surface and that way clears the road for the accuracy oil and the 203 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:26,160 molecules have more place to bond onto for the accuracy oil. So you want to use both 204 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,360 of those products together and that's a phenomenal one, two punch. 205 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:35,160 Right. Craig, how many times have you seen guys, you know, put a couple of drops of their 206 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,880 oil on a swab and run that through a patch and run that through their gun. And they're 207 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,520 like, Ooh, this is really doing a whole lot. They've got two drops on there and they think, 208 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:49,320 Hey, this has done a whole lot. We really, in our cleaner, we really say, Hey, don't 209 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:55,560 be shy with it. Because what we're trying to do is actually let the chemicals actually 210 00:17:55,560 --> 00:18:00,280 do the work on the metal and not just rubbing something through it and friction on it. So 211 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:05,240 again, it's a different chemical or, you know, different chemistry, different results, a 212 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,920 little bit different process than just putting a couple of drops on. We really wanted to 213 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:14,280 soak in, give it time to use that chemical reaction. My dad had a 16 gated head and cleaned 214 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:19,320 for 25 years and the stuff just, I mean, it was just ridiculous running out. We've had 215 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,760 muzzle loaders, muzzle loaders, the carbon destroyer works fantastic on muzzle loaders 216 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:29,680 or revolvers, you know, like a super blackhawk. There gets to be a lot of carbon built up 217 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:34,960 on that revolver and works fantastic. If you give it just a little bit of time, don't just 218 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,400 put it on and quick rub it or scrape it off. Like you do with all the other stuff that's 219 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,560 out there. I say the word stuff. 220 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,980 That's a fair, but that's fair though, because if the, if categorically, I'm not criticizing 221 00:18:45,980 --> 00:18:49,960 other products, but if categorically they fundamentally work differently, then it is 222 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:56,120 okay to just lump them together. If what you do is in fact fundamentally operating at a 223 00:18:56,120 --> 00:18:59,720 different level, I don't mean that in the physical, well, I guess at a physical level, 224 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:05,640 it is operating differently, but the methodology by which it works is different because again, 225 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:12,320 my skepticism was you're not going to get molecular binding without either electrolysis, 226 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:17,480 without very high temperatures and heat in a constant environment, you know, without 227 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:23,800 some other methodology of preparing the metal, but the evidence, the pragmatic side is the 228 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:28,280 evidence suggests that that's exactly what is happening. Why don't you talk for a second 229 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:36,960 Dirk about, again, nobody is here is recommending that we run our, our gear sets dry or that 230 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,400 we don't lubricate things, but there were a couple of examples that kind of speak to 231 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:46,920 the product and the fact that it does bind to the metal when they did run the product, 232 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:51,320 when they did, I think it was a gearbox you mentioned, right? That was run dry and ran 233 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:56,680 cooler even without lubrication. Yeah. So a buddy of mine owns a gearbox that he makes 234 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:02,440 for Aaron's tractors and Aaron's trucks and things like that. And he, he ran it in and 235 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:07,840 he did test two brand new gearboxes. Both had their regular oil in it. And in one of 236 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,280 them he put the additive, not just replace oil, but put the additive in it in a small 237 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:18,400 portion. It wasn't 50 50, just a few, few ounces per gallon. Right. And what he did 238 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:23,200 is he sees them for about 20 minutes, 25 minutes and, and got the temperatures up, dropped 239 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:29,120 the oil on them both. And then looked at what happened. And the one without the additive 240 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:33,960 in seized up very fast within less than five minutes. And the other one was running two 241 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:39,600 and a half hours later with no oil in it. And it was still running 30 degrees cooler 242 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:44,800 when the other one had oil in it. And I said, Alex, you know, that's great, but can you 243 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,400 put the screws to it? You're from Missouri, you know, you like to break things and that 244 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,600 kind of stuff. And so what he did is he sent me a video and he's kept turning up the RPMs 245 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:57,720 on it and his gearboxes. He's, he's like, my brother and I can't believe this. We're 246 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:04,040 running twice the rate capacity. These gearboxes are, and they're running 30 degrees cooler 247 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:09,320 than they did with our oil. So that's just incredible. I think this is ridiculous because 248 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:15,000 I mean, that, that just flies in the face of so much other experience that says, you 249 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:20,040 know, if you even run low on oil, let alone run out, you're going to spam whatever it 250 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,760 is and it's over. 251 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,560 Clean it very well with the carbon destroyer. You finish it up with the copper and lead 252 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,760 destroyer because again, those are two different types of chemicals and you want to take those 253 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,600 out separately. The carbon first, then the copper and lead and then treat your metal 254 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,320 that'll fill in the pores and condition that metal with the accuracy oil. And that accuracy 255 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:42,160 oil isn't a one time deal that you run it through. It's really a shoot, run some more 256 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:47,760 oil through it, shoot again, about five rounds, you know, run some more oil through it, shoot 257 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,920 again. And you're seasoning that barrel. 258 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:54,880 So we, we make sure though, but we don't want it. We don't want to make the case that in 259 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,200 perpetuity you're still going to have to be adding in the oil. What you're really doing 260 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:03,560 is you're trying to seed it in the pores and then at some point you can back off of continuing 261 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,120 to add oil. I just want to make that clear to people so that they don't think that they're 262 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:10,240 constantly swapping their barrels every three to five rounds. 263 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:15,080 So let me, let me explain the process to you, which is something that you're interested 264 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:20,920 in when you get your gun. If it's a brand new gun, you want to shoot about 40, at least 265 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,960 40, 50 rounds first through it with nothing in it. Nothing, not our stuff. It's kind of 266 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:32,560 a, it's a basic break in to pull off burrs and things like that. If you, once you do 267 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,600 that, then you want to do our breaking. If it's an older barrel, then you're good. But 268 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:41,600 if it's brand new, do it that way. So you clean everything from the trigger to everything 269 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:46,280 to the tip of the barrel, right? And then with that, with the carbon destroyer, you 270 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,480 pull everything out of there. We also have a copper lead destroyer, which is a really 271 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,800 good formula as well. And so you clean it and then you lube everything, every piece 272 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,040 of metal inside that gun you want our stuff on, including the trigger, because it will 273 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:05,680 light the pull on the trigger too, and it will protect it and everything else. And then 274 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,840 when you do a one time conditioning on the barrel, what Dirk was saying, you shoot a 275 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:14,400 couple rounds, you reapply the accuracy oil, shoot a couple more rounds, do that a total 276 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:19,000 of five applications, that'll fully saturate your barrel. And if you did that and you're 277 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,880 looking through a chronograph, you'll see your velocity and other numbers improve quite 278 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,480 a bit. And it depends on the gun and the bullets. So it might be a little bit, it might be a 279 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:32,240 lot, but it's going to improve and you get all those other benefits. So then after that, 280 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:37,080 when it's time to clean your gun, then you repeat, but you don't need to do that barrel 281 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,800 breaking. And I'll tell you something else really important. One of the major benefits 282 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:47,000 for people is a lot of people don't like to clean their guns. Well, guess what? Because 283 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:52,680 of once you've done that with our stuff, you can go probably two to three times longer 284 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:57,160 before you need to clean that gun out. And when you do clean it out, because everything's 285 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,800 sitting on the top, it's going to cut the cleaning time at least in half. You've had 286 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,960 a time that's even easier than that. 287 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:09,920 And money is time. So in time is money. So that actually works out pretty well if we're 288 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:16,120 saving time and making it easier and increasing the enjoyment factor just because, do I even 289 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:21,000 want to take this gun to the range today because it's a bear to clean and is it even worth 290 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,000 taking? 291 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:28,880 And as a competition shooter, Craig and Ken, I mean, do you guys see a difference in the 292 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:36,000 barrel life of your firearms? And I know long range shooters that I know see that they run 293 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,520 so many shots through that they see a deterioration in their barrels. 294 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:46,980 Yeah. One of the guns I have is a 22-250, which is a round, basically I think it's one 295 00:24:46,980 --> 00:24:53,040 of the fastest factory rounds you can get out there with a light bullet, around 40 grains 296 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:59,920 or so. You can push that to velocity up to 4,000 plus feet per second, which is screaming 297 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:06,560 fast. So I'm going to be trying this out and we're going to set up the Craig's Chronograph 298 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:11,200 and we're going to run it a few rounds with one way and we're going to run it a few rounds 299 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,640 after we've seasoned the barrel with the product and see what we can see. 300 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:20,960 Yeah. I think you're going to see some really interesting results and you take your baseline 301 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:27,520 and you compare it to after your fifth application on there and you're going to see some nice 302 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:36,320 improvements and we got Charlie Melton and Brad Starr. Charlie Melton's a really hero 303 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:43,240 Navy SEAL sniper, sniper instructor, trained guys like Chris Kyle and Marcus and Morgan 304 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:49,160 Latrell, people like that. And he and Brad, Brad owns Performance Guns and he's one of 305 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:56,360 the top custom sniper rifle makers in the world. And those guys did a couple of years back 306 00:25:56,360 --> 00:26:03,560 to their 5,025 yard shot and they're big, huge fans of our stuff and they'll tell you 307 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:08,320 that that makes a difference. And they're obviously not the main cause, but we're a 308 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:16,080 factor. And so you got people like that and Rex Tibor and again, lots of snipers and really 309 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:21,840 high end shooters, a lot of competition shooters, a lot of hunters, people all over the place 310 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,600 that know what they're talking about when they use our stuff, like you're finding out, 311 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:31,480 they love it. And yeah, it can be really interesting to see what kind of results you get when you're 312 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,100 doing it. But I think you're going to be very happy. 313 00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:40,960 So let's talk for a second about value here. Your products are not the cheapest out there. 314 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:47,240 And then again, we are comparing apples to oranges in a lot of ways. How much you're getting 315 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:52,760 feedback though, apparently on increasing the longevity of the gun. I mean, because 316 00:26:52,760 --> 00:27:00,320 the cost of your product pales in comparison to a worn out part on a rare gun. It compares 317 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:05,320 very favorably to worn out pistons on my V10. So I think that you- 318 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,680 Well, or think about a competition shooter that makes money off what they do. 319 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:09,680 That's right. 320 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:16,120 So it's the same thing. I want to just give, as the marketing guy here, our website is 321 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:21,720 in the process of being updated and changed. So if you go to it, it might be a little awkward 322 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:27,120 junkie right now. You can Google or YouTube a lot of different things, just looking for 323 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:31,400 modern Spartan. A lot of people have done reviews on it. But Marcus, what's the promo 324 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,480 code? I just wanted to give that out to Craig and the listeners to make sure that we have 325 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,480 that before we run out of time. 326 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,520 The promo code is FFP, right? 327 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:43,520 Exactly. 328 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:53,880 FFB for 10% discount. Oh, and let me add in something before I forget too. One of the 329 00:27:53,880 --> 00:28:01,040 value added benefits to this stuff, besides it being green and safe to use, and you can 330 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,680 use it around kids and pets and you can use it inside and your wife's not going to kick 331 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,560 you out of the house. But one of the other benefits is if you get something that's got 332 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:14,520 corrosion, not only will it protect from corrosion, but you can use our stuff to remove the corrosion. 333 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:21,600 It might take a little while, but we can rehab guns and fishing reels and things with our 334 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:27,960 product because of how the modules work to get underneath the corrosive oxidizers and 335 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,600 they'll push them off. And so you can restore old guns. We've had people take guns they 336 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,520 found in the swamp that were, they said, we'll never do anything, but they learned about 337 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,880 our stuff. They used it and they're like, their brand is a brand new gun. So yeah. 338 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:49,360 Fantastic. Yes. So look us up, find out more stuff. Follow our Facebook page, our Instagram. 339 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:54,600 You know, if you have questions, you will hit me directly on that. And if I don't have 340 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:59,600 the answer for you, I will go to our approach. Some of our pro shooters or some of our coaches 341 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:05,360 that know way more than I would ever dream of for that information and get that out to 342 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,080 you because we really want to have that communication. Again, just don't say it's snake oil because 343 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:15,640 that's what we hear a lot. You know, you got to really give it a try. I mean, really just 344 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:21,720 give it a try and think, Hey, this is a different, different chemistry, different results. And 345 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,600 I'm just like Craig has experienced. Not only do you see it in your vehicles, but you can, 346 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,560 you know, we've got the product for firearms. We've also got product for knives. We also, 347 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,880 Craig, I don't know if you've seen that yet, but we do have the accuracy oil has been blended 348 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,840 with the red lithium grease. And a lot of people like putting that in their rails, that 349 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,640 red lithium it's called the accuracy grease. That's going to be one of the next things 350 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,120 I, yeah, I'm going to order that too. And, and you even have, you even have something 351 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:54,240 for glass cleaning. I mean, of all the, of all the things, I wouldn't have expected that 352 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,520 to be in there. That's certainly not accuracy oil, but no, but think about that for your 353 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:03,600 optics. Yeah, Craig, it's a, actually it's a brand new, we've upgraded is a great formula 354 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:08,120 to begin with. And we've actually upgraded that again. So it's going to be even better. 355 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,760 It's gentle and mild, but you can use it on high end optics. You can use it on your glasses, 356 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:18,760 sunglasses, smartphones. You can use it on the exterior of your gun, all that. So the 357 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,440 best thing to get, I would recommend people get the starter kit plus, because that's got 358 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:28,560 all the products in one nice, neat package. It's a, I call the click box. So it's easy 359 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,360 to carry around and move, but it's got the accuracy oil, accuracy grease, the carbon 360 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:38,520 destroyer, the copper lead destroyer and the crystal clear lens cleaner. It's all in one 361 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:43,880 nice package. So it's a really good value. And I'll add that for the listeners, it's, 362 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,960 it's not just the starter kits that are available. If you want larger quantities, I went ahead 363 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,920 and bought the accuracy oil in the large bottle right out of the gate, because it, it, it 364 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:58,440 sure seemed like it was going to do the job. And if you want to try it, definitely start 365 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:04,000 with the starter kit or a sampler kit and then move up from there. But I've been again, 366 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,520 very impressed with, and I was, I told you upfront, I was going to be the hardest guy 367 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:14,120 to convince and you convinced me and, and now I'm all about it and I'm going to, I'm 368 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:19,200 going to tell everyone, uh, you know, not that we talk about lubrication at parties 369 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:24,480 and things like that very often, but every time I get the opportunity to have the conversation, 370 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:29,640 I'm going to have that conversation and, and, and push it. Yeah. So I want to thank you 371 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:35,200 guys. It's about value, right? So it is, you get so many benefits out of it that if you 372 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:41,560 know what you're looking at and you, and you get accuracy and reliability in all environments 373 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:47,440 and you get easy cleanup time, you get longer barrel life and on and on and on, this is 374 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,600 really you're investing in something. It's way more compared to anything else in the 375 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,840 market. So it's really making your stuff better. 376 00:31:54,840 --> 00:32:01,120 And it does not, and value does not have to be monetary value could be, I simply got more 377 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:07,880 enjoyment out of the money and time I spent. And that right there would be enough. So I 378 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,200 want to thank you guys for coming on the show. Any closing comments at all? Ken and I'll, 379 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,600 we'll take it from here and, and we'll mention one more time that, uh, discount code that 380 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,800 you generously offered, but yeah, the floor is yours. And if you have anything else to 381 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:22,800 add, 382 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:33,000 Derek, yeah. Modern spartan systems.com. Yes, indeed. And I would just say the same thing, 383 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:38,760 try our products. We got great stuff. We get others, other things that we're highly involved 384 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,920 in too, like our specialty coatings for firearms and that, if you're, if you're an FFL or you're 385 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,720 a gunsmith, uh, definitely come, you know, get involved with their stuff. It will really 386 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,640 make a big difference. And if you, if you use it, you'll love it. That's just how it 387 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:59,120 works. All right. Thanks again, guys. Appreciate it. Thank you gentlemen. Appreciate it. Bye 388 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:05,120 guys. Bye. Well, I appreciate the jerk and Marcus coming down today with us and, uh, 389 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:10,600 I'd like to use some of the lubrication products, particularly on my 22, 250. I'm going to check 390 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:15,560 out the velocity potential increases there as well as spending the money on that to, 391 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,080 to find out how many rounds are we going to have to use to find that out? I mean, it doesn't 392 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:24,560 sound like many, but, uh, this is on your dime. Ken. I know I'm a reloader and the thing 393 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:30,040 about it is, uh, they does use the standard five, five, six projectile. So it's kind of 394 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:37,280 like a 22, 250 is kind of like a two 23 or five, five, six on steroids. And I'm very 395 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,600 much looking forward to see what sort of velocity increases we can see there. Yeah. We're going 396 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,480 to have to get out to a greater range than we typically shoot at because our range is 397 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:51,520 limited to only 200 yards. So maybe we'll have to, we'll chronograph it at the barrel, 398 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,400 but we'll want to see, you know, what those long range groups will do. How far have you 399 00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:01,520 shot that gun before? Oh, probably a little over 400 yards, which in many ways is the 400 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,280 limit maybe out 500, depending on the bullet weight, lighter bullet weights are faster. 401 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:12,480 Uh, heavier bullets can go out a little bit farther. Uh, that 22, 250 round was selected 402 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:18,440 by certain countries as being their sniper round, uh, or counter sniper round, I suppose 403 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,600 you call it because of its incredible speed. You're getting upwards of 4,000 feet per second. 404 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,440 And if you're going to take a shot like that, you want that round to get there as quickly 405 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:33,000 as possible. Yeah. And at those kinds of rounds, you'll get, uh, sorry, those kinds of speeds, 406 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,560 you'll get a lot of throat erosion. Absolutely. That's where the lubrication, you know, it's 407 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:43,240 going to really take a, take a hit. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe we need a borescope, um, uh, to 408 00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:46,520 take a look at the condition of your barrel before and after that would be an interesting 409 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,480 project. It would be, and then I'll have to look into possibly getting on a borescope 410 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,680 or, or if you're a manufacturer of borescopes and you would like to be featured on the show, 411 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,680 then we would be more than happy to evaluate your product. Absolutely. And if it meets 412 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,360 our standards and something we like, then then we'll feature you on the show as well. 413 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,680 Hey, by the way, something that we always like to include in the show, but we're going 414 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:16,000 to expand a little bit on this time. Is this a legal show? Ken? Uh, this is not a legal 415 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:21,080 show in the fact that we are not lawyers. No. Right. And so anything that we say is 416 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:26,680 strictly our opinion. Yes. And those, and not the opinion of the podcast networks across 417 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,880 our representation. But one thing we'd like to add to is, you know, any of the products 418 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:36,200 that we talk about while we believe in them and we're willing to take any appropriate 419 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:42,200 risk to use those products, you have to evaluate your own risk as well. Just because we say 420 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:47,720 it's good, doesn't mean it's the perfect product for you. Now I feel very confident that the 421 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:52,920 modern Spartan systems products are right for a very, very broad spectrum of, of the 422 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:58,240 shooting universe. But at the same time, you're responsible for doing your own homework on 423 00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:03,560 these things. You're responsible for the research and you're responsible for ultimately using 424 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:08,300 them responsibly just as you would if you were carrying a gun, right? You're responsible 425 00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:12,880 for every round that goes down range. Don't, don't look, if things don't go right, don't 426 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,200 look to blame anyone, but yourself. Isn't that, isn't that the case? Absolutely the 427 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:23,000 case. Uh, one of the things is you cannot call around back after it has left your left 428 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,920 the barrel. It's going to go where it's going to go. And you are responsible for that. Yeah. 429 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,800 So it'll be the same for that and all the products that we talk about, uh, you know, 430 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,640 just take that individual responsibility. Another topic that I wanted to address was 431 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:42,840 the types of products that we have featured on the frugal firearms podcast. Now understand 432 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,040 that a lot of those products, this being a value centered show are going to be things 433 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,600 that are made overseas. A lot of them are going to come from China to be quite honest. 434 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:58,000 And while Ken and I both absolutely agree and support the idea that you should be buying 435 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:03,400 American wherever you can, it doesn't necessarily mean the product that is going to fit your 436 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:08,160 budget and fit your needs is going to be a U S based product. I had a conversation some 437 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:13,940 time ago with one of the big optics manufacturers and they pointed out to me that even among 438 00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:19,480 companies that you think would be U S based firms, that their products are actually built 439 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,800 at least the glass overseas and why a lot of the problem with that is that glass is 440 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,520 a very difficult thing to do in the United States because of various environmental regulations 441 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,120 and our guests from modern Spartan systems are in the chemical business. Not an easy 442 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,840 thing to do in the United States, but the differentiator here is that they are doing 443 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:45,060 it in the United States and those are U S made products. So I really want to hopefully 444 00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:50,880 get people enthused about buying modern Spartan systems products because they are U S based. 445 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:56,520 I'm going to put that link to the ability to save 10% into the show notes, but if you 446 00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,680 don't go to the show notes, you can still get to their website, which is modern spartan 447 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:08,160 systems.com and at checkout use the discount code FFP short for frugal firearms podcast 448 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,160 and you'll get that 10% and you'll be helping the show. So we're going to be looking forward 449 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,560 to having another show coming up relatively soon. There are a couple of different opportunities 450 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,600 that we have to get guests on. I'm not sure which one's going to be next. What sort of 451 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,160 products do you want to talk about coming up in the future here? 452 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,160 Ken? 453 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,360 Well, you know, I am a reloader and there are some ways that people could look into 454 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:33,200 reloading and I think there, that would be an area that I would like to talk about because 455 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:38,700 you can literally get into it for about a hundred bucks and possibly, and you can go 456 00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:43,760 into the multi thousands as well. It depends on volume and so forth, but that's something 457 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,080 I would like to broach. Maybe a multiple. 458 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:51,200 How much, how much do you think you've saved on doing reloading as opposed to what you've 459 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:56,760 mentioned the 22 to 50 that we're going to try accuracy oil in that rifle on, if you're 460 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,280 buying factory loads, how much do you think you'd be spending as a function of reloading 461 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,280 them yourself? 462 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:08,920 I think you could easily save two thirds of the price of a factory round and the fact 463 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:14,040 that you can actually dial down a particular road or round or dial it up for the particular 464 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:19,320 projectile that you have. That is something that you can't get at all in the factory load. 465 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,240 So we'll have to be, we'll have to be careful though, because the engineer in me is, is 466 00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:28,480 seeing all kinds of variables coming at us. So you'll have to dial in a load and then 467 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:33,520 we're going to have to stick with that particular load for testing the efficacy of, of accuracy 468 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:38,360 oil. And by the way, once we get that data for our listeners, we're going to, we're going 469 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:43,040 to talk about that in a future show and see, you know, did we see a difference? What kind 470 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:48,160 of difference did we see? But keeping in mind that, you know, my data point wasn't a firearms 471 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:53,720 thing. It was my car, but I don't know if I'm saving over a hundred dollars a year on 472 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:59,080 a product that costs 30, which was the, you know, the bottle that I bought. That's a pretty 473 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:04,480 good return on investment. And, and again, if it makes the life of the car or the gun 474 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,880 that much greater than I can't even measure that number. 475 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:13,280 Absolutely. And I've even got some ideas about other types of mechanical devices that need 476 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:18,440 lubrication where this type of lubricant would be a, would be a benefit. So I'm looking forward 477 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,600 to possibly even testing it out there. 478 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,360 Yeah. Maybe you're reloading press. So you're not getting, you know, trying to use that 479 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,760 in lieu of going to the gym for a workout. 480 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:34,360 Indeed. Reloading presses are the least of ones I have are very, very good. So, yeah. 481 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:39,160 Okay. So we're going to wrap it up here. Thank you for listening. All right. Good night listeners. 482 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,080 And I appreciate very much you downloading, listening to us. And if you've got anything 483 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,360 you'd like to say, please feel free to email us and we'll try to comment on it the next 484 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,780 show. Thank you so much. 485 00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:54,520 And that'll be at frugal firearms podcast and firearms is plural. So frugal firearms 486 00:40:54,520 --> 00:41:00,080 podcast at gmail.com. And don't forget that like, subscribe and comment because that helps 487 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:25,080 us grow the show even further. Thanks much.