WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.819 I thought, well, you set yourself up for failure 00:00:03.819 --> 00:00:30.179 here, my friend. Welcome to Episode 4 of the 00:00:30.179 --> 00:00:32.520 Frugal Firearms Podcast, the podcast designed 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:35.200 to help you get the most for your shooting dollar. 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:37.979 Get more entertainment, get more pleasure, get 00:00:37.979 --> 00:00:40.759 more value. I'm here with my co -host, Ken. Ken, 00:00:40.859 --> 00:00:42.899 say hello to our listeners. Hello, listeners. 00:00:43.219 --> 00:00:45.640 Glad to hear that you're coming back and listening 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:48.420 to us. I hope you're enjoying it. Yeah. In a 00:00:48.420 --> 00:00:50.920 rapidly expanding show, thank you to our new 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:52.600 listeners out there. If you haven't gone back 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:55.899 and listened to the... extensive catalog of previous 00:00:55.899 --> 00:00:59.460 episodes, please do so. There's value in listening 00:00:59.460 --> 00:01:02.259 to those as well. But moving forward, we said 00:01:02.259 --> 00:01:04.780 we're going to have a steady diet of guests and 00:01:04.780 --> 00:01:07.909 that is what we're having today as well. Today 00:01:07.909 --> 00:01:10.650 we're going to be welcoming on Marcus and Dirk 00:01:10.650 --> 00:01:13.450 from Modern Spartan Systems, who are going to 00:01:13.450 --> 00:01:16.569 be talking about their really broad catalog products, 00:01:16.829 --> 00:01:19.790 not just gun lubrication, but other products 00:01:19.790 --> 00:01:22.349 that help you clean your gun and even do things 00:01:22.349 --> 00:01:24.329 like help you clean your glasses. And we're going 00:01:24.329 --> 00:01:27.069 to talk about why their products in particular, 00:01:27.230 --> 00:01:30.590 as opposed to the myriad and universe of other 00:01:30.590 --> 00:01:32.510 lubrication products out there, are the ones 00:01:32.510 --> 00:01:34.939 that you want to consider. And Ken, I think you've 00:01:34.939 --> 00:01:37.439 got experience in this area. And what do you 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:39.700 expect to hear from these guys? Well, I'm particularly 00:01:39.700 --> 00:01:41.980 excited about one of their products, their carbon 00:01:41.980 --> 00:01:44.799 destroyer product. I deal with a lot of older 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:47.159 firearms and firearms sometimes that haven't 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:49.739 been necessarily well cared for. And that particular 00:01:49.739 --> 00:01:51.980 product is excellent about helping to remove 00:01:51.980 --> 00:01:54.439 fouling that might have occurred over the last 00:01:54.439 --> 00:01:57.879 several years or in many cases, century or more 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:01.390 of firearms ownership. So now I told everyone 00:02:01.390 --> 00:02:03.409 that we were going to do a show on lubrication 00:02:03.409 --> 00:02:06.489 products, and this is that show. And why would 00:02:06.489 --> 00:02:09.330 I want them on so early in the evolution of the 00:02:09.330 --> 00:02:12.009 podcast? It's because I experienced something 00:02:12.009 --> 00:02:14.830 that I never thought I would. I put one of their 00:02:14.830 --> 00:02:17.889 products in my car. And why my car? Because this 00:02:17.889 --> 00:02:20.189 isn't an automotive show, shouldn't I be talking 00:02:20.189 --> 00:02:23.710 about guns? But I have a lot more data on the 00:02:23.710 --> 00:02:26.870 mileage of my car. Now, as we've alluded to before, 00:02:26.969 --> 00:02:29.780 I drive a 10 -cylinder Audi. That's a very thirsty 00:02:29.780 --> 00:02:33.699 engine. And I've kept records on that car ever 00:02:33.699 --> 00:02:36.659 since I bought it. I know exactly the relationship 00:02:36.659 --> 00:02:39.939 between average speed and mileage, which most 00:02:39.939 --> 00:02:42.979 people don't know. And I also know that that 00:02:42.979 --> 00:02:45.759 relationship is something that's predictable 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:48.900 on that car. That's very well controlled. And 00:02:48.900 --> 00:02:51.879 since I had so much data, I thought, you know, 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:54.860 if I take their accuracy oil, which is the product 00:02:54.860 --> 00:02:57.120 that we're really going to focus on today. and 00:02:57.120 --> 00:02:59.360 I try to get enough data to be statistically 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:01.939 significant to a mechanical engineer like myself, 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:05.340 I'm going to spend an awful lot of time and money 00:03:05.340 --> 00:03:09.020 on rounds, and I'm not convinced I'm going to 00:03:09.020 --> 00:03:12.360 get anything. So I thought, well, low -risk proposition, 00:03:12.740 --> 00:03:15.219 I'll put it in the car. I didn't expect to get 00:03:15.219 --> 00:03:18.060 much because I've seen these claims before. I've 00:03:18.060 --> 00:03:20.599 used engine additives before. Why would this 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:22.419 one be different? Well, let me tell you, guys, 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:25.219 it was. I put it in the car as soon as I went 00:03:25.219 --> 00:03:28.099 to Vegas for the SHOT Show, just to have it soak 00:03:28.099 --> 00:03:30.639 in the car for a nice long drive. And it's been 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:33.080 in the car ever since. And at first, I was getting 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:36.439 improvements in mileage for every given speed, 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:40.379 initially about 2 .5%. Now, that was more than 00:03:40.379 --> 00:03:42.539 I expected, but it was statistically significant 00:03:42.539 --> 00:03:45.500 because, again, I know the car so well. But that 00:03:45.500 --> 00:03:47.699 number's been increasing. And now I'm seeing 00:03:47.699 --> 00:03:51.229 numbers 6%, 7 % increase in mileage. So when 00:03:51.229 --> 00:03:54.030 you talk about frugal firearms saving money, 00:03:54.189 --> 00:03:56.729 well, why don't we save some money for ammunition 00:03:56.729 --> 00:03:59.210 or go into the range by saving gas in our car? 00:03:59.370 --> 00:04:01.849 And by the way, save money on those engine repairs 00:04:01.849 --> 00:04:04.930 too. Because I'm here to tell you, I read the 00:04:04.930 --> 00:04:07.909 testimonials. I didn't really believe them. But 00:04:07.909 --> 00:04:10.090 now I'm putting my reputation out there saying 00:04:10.090 --> 00:04:14.250 it's real. And I am evidence, and I will share 00:04:14.250 --> 00:04:16.209 the evidence with anyone who wants to see it, 00:04:16.269 --> 00:04:19.819 that their products do what they say. and within 00:04:19.819 --> 00:04:22.839 the boundaries of what they say. So I want to 00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:24.959 turn the floor over to our guests, Marcus and 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:27.339 Dirk from Modern Spartan Systems, and let them 00:04:27.339 --> 00:04:29.879 run with it and tell you guys why you want their 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:32.420 products. Marcus and Dirk, the floor is yours, 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:35.740 sir. Thanks, Craig. Yeah, thanks, Craig and Ken, 00:04:35.860 --> 00:04:39.420 and appreciate being on your show. The old commercial 00:04:39.420 --> 00:04:42.720 motor oils, motor oil, it doesn't apply to our 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:46.980 stuff. We're so overwhelmingly different, significantly 00:04:46.980 --> 00:04:50.259 different where we can impact. friction and protect 00:04:50.259 --> 00:04:55.300 metal and stop wear and how our chemistry works 00:04:55.300 --> 00:04:59.420 is extremely unique. And by the way, Craig, it's 00:04:59.420 --> 00:05:01.699 always good to win over an engineer because you 00:05:01.699 --> 00:05:04.839 guys are tough cookies, but when you're on board 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:07.579 and... You're on board and we like that. And 00:05:07.579 --> 00:05:10.540 I forgot to mention too, Dirk, or I'm sorry, 00:05:10.660 --> 00:05:13.579 Marcus, that that was the reason I bought the 00:05:13.579 --> 00:05:16.279 product. And just so listeners know, I wasn't 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:18.160 given the product. I bought it with my own money. 00:05:18.220 --> 00:05:21.040 And I bought it because on another podcast where 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:23.500 I initially heard Marcus talking, he talked about 00:05:23.500 --> 00:05:25.899 the fact that engineers will be your worst critics 00:05:25.899 --> 00:05:27.740 and your worst enemies until you win them over. 00:05:27.899 --> 00:05:31.199 And I'm an engineer, a mechanical engineer, and 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:34.699 not trying to be elitist, but... I was also among 00:05:34.699 --> 00:05:36.579 the most skeptical people. And when you laid 00:05:36.579 --> 00:05:38.879 down that challenge, saying that once they're 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:40.459 won over, they're your best friends and your 00:05:40.459 --> 00:05:44.579 best advocates, I thought, well, you set yourself 00:05:44.579 --> 00:05:47.720 up for failure here, my friend. And the fact 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:51.480 is you did not fail. You succeeded. And that 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:53.720 is why we wanted you on the show. So I'm sorry 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:55.360 to interrupt, but I wanted to get that backstory 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:57.699 out there. And you were talking about the fact 00:05:57.699 --> 00:05:59.720 that it's not just, see, it's not just about 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:01.939 the old technology of just oil. Like this oil 00:06:01.939 --> 00:06:04.379 is better than that oil or my oil is better than 00:06:04.379 --> 00:06:07.279 your oil. Oil is just the carrier. It's something 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:09.980 underneath the oil that is actually doing the 00:06:09.980 --> 00:06:12.560 work. Yeah, we talked about in our branding that 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:15.860 it's different chemistry and different results. 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:18.279 And that's what you have to really think outside 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:20.899 the box. It's a paradigm shift that our product 00:06:20.899 --> 00:06:24.430 really is not oil. It's really a metal treatment 00:06:24.430 --> 00:06:27.329 and metal conditioner that will change really 00:06:27.329 --> 00:06:30.470 the performance of many things that have to do 00:06:30.470 --> 00:06:33.350 with friction. Yeah, the oil is just a carrier. 00:06:33.889 --> 00:06:36.649 It's important. And the type of oil and how we 00:06:36.649 --> 00:06:39.389 have designed the product is really important. 00:06:39.509 --> 00:06:41.129 It's thin, but people look at it and they go, 00:06:41.170 --> 00:06:42.670 oh, it's so thin. How can you do anything? Well, 00:06:42.709 --> 00:06:45.310 the oil has nothing to do with the friction reduction. 00:06:45.329 --> 00:06:47.269 The oil, like I said, is just the bus. And the 00:06:47.269 --> 00:06:49.370 little people get out of the bus, that's the 00:06:49.370 --> 00:06:51.949 molecules that are going to bond on to the metal. 00:06:52.430 --> 00:06:54.910 And when they do that, they're not permanent, 00:06:55.009 --> 00:06:58.629 but they're there for a good long time. They're 00:06:58.629 --> 00:07:02.129 very tough bonds. And so when that happens, you 00:07:02.129 --> 00:07:06.149 get the benefits primarily of 90 % less friction, 00:07:06.269 --> 00:07:08.990 which is like a magnitude difference. And anybody 00:07:08.990 --> 00:07:11.850 that has any questions or wants to understand 00:07:11.850 --> 00:07:15.629 it, we get videos on the website where we test 00:07:15.629 --> 00:07:18.649 it. I had other guys test. On a Timken burning 00:07:18.649 --> 00:07:21.129 machine, the friction reduction compared to all 00:07:21.129 --> 00:07:23.250 the things we compete against, not everything 00:07:23.250 --> 00:07:25.069 we compete against is shown on the video, but 00:07:25.069 --> 00:07:27.310 a lot of the good ones are up there. And those 00:07:27.310 --> 00:07:29.569 are good products, but they're nothing like ours, 00:07:29.629 --> 00:07:32.990 completely different. And we kill them. We destroy 00:07:32.990 --> 00:07:35.910 them where we're cutting the friction. You watch 00:07:35.910 --> 00:07:37.470 it. And even if you don't know what a Timken 00:07:37.470 --> 00:07:39.689 burning machine is, when you watch it, you'll 00:07:39.689 --> 00:07:41.730 understand it. You'll get it really quick. And 00:07:41.730 --> 00:07:44.850 so when you can do that and you can leave a low 00:07:44.850 --> 00:07:48.079 stick surface on the metal, almost like it's 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:50.379 not teflon but like think of teflon going on 00:07:50.379 --> 00:07:52.839 a frying pan you know nothing can really stick 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:54.899 to it right it comes out again you can burn stuff 00:07:54.899 --> 00:07:56.879 but it comes off really easy so when you cut 00:07:56.879 --> 00:07:59.860 that friction you get benefits the version of 00:07:59.860 --> 00:08:01.759 our product the tvt that you're talking about 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:04.519 that went in your car which is a nice sounds 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:08.399 like a great car does benefits like improve gas 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:11.860 mileage a lower heat you can easily double your 00:08:11.860 --> 00:08:15.199 oil life and you can easily probably triple it 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:18.439 but you know we say double and things just last 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:21.420 longer run cooler run better they cut the sound 00:08:21.420 --> 00:08:24.220 down lots of people have a lot of sound issues 00:08:24.220 --> 00:08:26.379 they put it in there and it quiets the engines 00:08:26.379 --> 00:08:28.879 and i can tell you stories like even one of my 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:31.660 good friends has a big company he buys our stuff 00:08:31.660 --> 00:08:35.080 in the drum and he's got a lot of equipment uh 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:37.860 heavy equipment and he bought a dump truck or 00:08:37.860 --> 00:08:41.730 you're driving that dump truck back up from indianapolis 00:08:41.730 --> 00:08:45.429 to the chicago area he said it was so loud he 00:08:45.429 --> 00:08:47.750 almost turned around and brought it back when 00:08:47.750 --> 00:08:50.029 he got in there put the tvt in and it cut that 00:08:50.029 --> 00:08:52.769 sound by you know just a few matter of a few 00:08:52.769 --> 00:08:57.669 minutes by 50 to 75 so you can see it one other 00:08:57.669 --> 00:09:00.789 important thing on the tvt and we can't warranty 00:09:00.789 --> 00:09:04.929 this but because the friction reduction the lubricity 00:09:04.929 --> 00:09:07.950 is now in the metal that in the oil if you lost 00:09:07.950 --> 00:09:10.580 your oil and Dirk can actually tell a little 00:09:10.580 --> 00:09:12.220 story, but maybe he'll get in trouble with his 00:09:12.220 --> 00:09:15.500 wife. But yeah, if you lose your oil, you could 00:09:15.500 --> 00:09:17.519 probably run a vehicle for a couple hundred miles 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:19.779 with no oil in it. That's how good the friction 00:09:19.779 --> 00:09:23.220 reduction is. So how that plays out in guns is 00:09:23.220 --> 00:09:27.059 something completely unique. Go ahead, Dirk, 00:09:27.100 --> 00:09:29.940 if you want to explain. Yeah, so what's interesting 00:09:29.940 --> 00:09:32.779 about it is it's a non -petroleum product. And 00:09:32.779 --> 00:09:36.230 so it's... It immediately steps out of the game 00:09:36.230 --> 00:09:38.669 of all the other type of gun oils out there that 00:09:38.669 --> 00:09:41.070 are petroleum products. What it really does is 00:09:41.070 --> 00:09:43.169 there's molecules in there that bond to metal 00:09:43.169 --> 00:09:45.710 at the ionic level. It's the strongest bond out 00:09:45.710 --> 00:09:48.549 there. And that bond actually, I think about 00:09:48.549 --> 00:09:52.950 it if you are like grill on a flat top, right? 00:09:53.029 --> 00:09:56.350 You're seasoning that metal. And when you put 00:09:56.350 --> 00:09:58.610 the oil on it, it's not a one -time deal because 00:09:58.610 --> 00:10:01.730 it's seasoned it. With our product, it actually 00:10:01.730 --> 00:10:05.509 doesn't create that. That fake layer of carbon 00:10:05.509 --> 00:10:07.750 on it, like your grill or a cast iron thing, 00:10:07.870 --> 00:10:10.629 it actually increases the rockwell hardness of 00:10:10.629 --> 00:10:13.090 the metal and performs like in gears. It actually, 00:10:13.169 --> 00:10:15.009 the gears perform better because they're stiffer 00:10:15.009 --> 00:10:17.690 and harder. You're going to have reduced drag 00:10:17.690 --> 00:10:20.070 and things like that. In a firearm, you know, 00:10:20.110 --> 00:10:23.029 we translate this friction to friction reduction 00:10:23.029 --> 00:10:26.690 in your slides into the friction of the bullet 00:10:26.690 --> 00:10:30.929 down your barrel. When you have less friction, 00:10:31.129 --> 00:10:33.470 less heat, your barrel, especially long range 00:10:33.470 --> 00:10:35.269 shooters, your barrel is not going to heat up 00:10:35.269 --> 00:10:37.370 that much and you're going to have tighter groups. 00:10:37.529 --> 00:10:40.529 And we've had many long range shooters, precision 00:10:40.529 --> 00:10:43.350 coaches, things like that, who have done many 00:10:43.350 --> 00:10:45.970 studies and, you know, put it in a spreadsheet, 00:10:46.110 --> 00:10:49.169 standard deviations and showed students of theirs 00:10:49.169 --> 00:10:53.049 themselves to show how by treating your firearms 00:10:53.049 --> 00:10:55.230 with this product, you are going to see increase 00:10:55.230 --> 00:10:57.889 in velocity. Better barrel life, less friction, 00:10:57.990 --> 00:11:01.029 and running actually cooler barrel. We've seen 00:11:01.029 --> 00:11:02.789 people actually run thermals on their barrels 00:11:02.789 --> 00:11:06.809 and seeing how it actually cools things. So you 00:11:06.809 --> 00:11:09.470 have to step outside the box and go, hey, maybe 00:11:09.470 --> 00:11:11.870 there's something out there that is just not 00:11:11.870 --> 00:11:16.230 like everything else because it's not. And let's 00:11:16.230 --> 00:11:18.529 talk about that too because you're going really 00:11:18.529 --> 00:11:21.070 to getting the message out. I don't know if you 00:11:21.070 --> 00:11:22.990 know this about advertisers, but advertisers 00:11:22.990 --> 00:11:26.210 typically don't target older guys. And the reason 00:11:26.210 --> 00:11:29.870 is that it's ineffective because most older guys, 00:11:29.970 --> 00:11:33.509 women too, their minds are set. They don't change 00:11:33.509 --> 00:11:36.330 their mind easily. It's not that they're closed 00:11:36.330 --> 00:11:38.730 -minded, but they're happy in the space that 00:11:38.730 --> 00:11:41.169 they're in, and they don't really expect that 00:11:41.169 --> 00:11:43.769 there's anything new that's going to be revolutionary 00:11:43.769 --> 00:11:46.710 because they've been burned so many times by 00:11:46.710 --> 00:11:49.549 things that claim to that, and it didn't work. 00:11:50.990 --> 00:11:53.490 When I saw on, it was posted on your website. 00:11:53.610 --> 00:11:54.809 And by the way, I'm going to encourage people 00:11:54.809 --> 00:11:57.350 to go to the website. And at the end, by the 00:11:57.350 --> 00:11:59.450 way, we're going to mention that we do have a 00:11:59.450 --> 00:12:02.509 coupon code that they've generously offered that 00:12:02.509 --> 00:12:05.509 we'll discuss. But when you start looking at 00:12:05.509 --> 00:12:07.549 the evidence behind this, you had a precision 00:12:07.549 --> 00:12:09.529 shooter you mentioned. So we talk about this 00:12:09.529 --> 00:12:12.370 being the frugal firearms podcast. Well, that 00:12:12.370 --> 00:12:14.529 doesn't mean the cheap firearms podcast. That 00:12:14.529 --> 00:12:16.850 means people who want to save money and recognize 00:12:16.850 --> 00:12:18.750 that they have other things to spend money on. 00:12:19.149 --> 00:12:22.340 Right. If you take a guy who's a precision shooter 00:12:22.340 --> 00:12:25.299 and within 30 rounds, which isn't much at all, 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:32.000 decreases his group size by 58%, that's significant 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:35.059 and that's fast. If you have someone who puts 00:12:35.059 --> 00:12:38.539 a barrel blank on essentially a Timken bearing 00:12:38.539 --> 00:12:42.279 machine and within seconds of running this machine 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:45.240 puts a couple drops of your oil on and can't 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:48.000 gall the metal. where the other ones fail right 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:51.679 out of the gate on an actual barrel. That's impressive. 00:12:51.779 --> 00:12:54.879 And it's because it's not just another oil that's 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:58.019 flashing off because it hits the flashpoint and 00:12:58.019 --> 00:13:01.899 vaporizes. Now, I can't measure it. I'm not taking 00:13:01.899 --> 00:13:03.580 apart my engine to find out how much difference 00:13:03.580 --> 00:13:06.139 and where there's going to be. But when you hear 00:13:06.139 --> 00:13:08.320 other people talking back on the firearm side 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:11.519 who are competitive shooters who were slide velocity 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:14.970 matters. and putting it on the rails and increasing 00:13:14.970 --> 00:13:17.470 slide velocity and therefore cutting down the 00:13:17.470 --> 00:13:20.610 cycle time on the gun in ways that are measurable 00:13:20.610 --> 00:13:23.009 and can make the difference between winning and 00:13:23.009 --> 00:13:25.590 losing i mean all these are benefits that are 00:13:25.590 --> 00:13:27.929 i don't hear other people making these claims 00:13:27.929 --> 00:13:31.169 for one thing because maybe they can't but you 00:13:31.169 --> 00:13:33.269 know what other things have you experienced that 00:13:33.269 --> 00:13:37.070 say right this is where you should go so kind 00:13:37.070 --> 00:13:41.289 of extreme temperature wise if we've had um people 00:13:41.769 --> 00:13:43.909 On extreme colds, a lot of people have petroleum 00:13:43.909 --> 00:13:47.009 products and they just start gumming up in cold 00:13:47.009 --> 00:13:50.490 weather or they lock up. And we have videos on 00:13:50.490 --> 00:13:53.370 our site, actually, of a gentleman that took 00:13:53.370 --> 00:13:57.610 his AR, seasoned it with our accuracy oil, threw 00:13:57.610 --> 00:14:01.269 it in a snowbank, minus 50 below. If that doesn't 00:14:01.269 --> 00:14:04.570 lock up firearms, nothing will. The next day, 00:14:04.710 --> 00:14:07.490 he came out and rips off a whole bunch of rounds 00:14:07.490 --> 00:14:10.750 like nothing has happened. In extreme heat on 00:14:10.750 --> 00:14:14.570 the other side of it, we've had people that actually, 00:14:14.669 --> 00:14:18.409 some of the large infantry people run this through 00:14:18.409 --> 00:14:23.460 some of their... Yeah, real guns, right? High, 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:26.480 high temperatures and things like that. And they 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:29.820 do not have the gumming up that a lot of other 00:14:29.820 --> 00:14:33.440 petroleum based lubricants do when the guns get 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:36.120 super hot. Plus, they also are running cooler. 00:14:36.259 --> 00:14:38.419 And so that's something actually we had the Danish 00:14:38.419 --> 00:14:41.399 military pretty interested in the product because 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:44.840 of that fact. Now, Marcus, didn't you tell me, 00:14:44.899 --> 00:14:47.730 Marcus, that I mean, going to that pointer. Marcus, 00:14:47.789 --> 00:14:50.889 didn't you tell me once that the genesis of the 00:14:50.889 --> 00:14:52.990 product actually went into the Vulcan gun, which 00:14:52.990 --> 00:14:57.210 is in the Warthog? Yeah, well, that's the carbon 00:14:57.210 --> 00:15:00.730 destroyer. Okay. Which is pretty cool. Yeah, 00:15:00.750 --> 00:15:03.509 the carbon destroyer, which you need to clean 00:15:03.509 --> 00:15:06.370 the surface, like surface prep. There's a lot 00:15:06.370 --> 00:15:08.230 of cleaners out there. Our cleaner significantly 00:15:08.230 --> 00:15:11.490 stands out compared to anything else. And we 00:15:11.490 --> 00:15:13.889 get told this over and over and over. People 00:15:13.889 --> 00:15:16.559 love our chemistry. for the cleaner. The carbon 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:19.559 destroyer was initially designed to replace the 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:22.240 high VOC solvents that they were using to clean 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:24.759 the gun ports and the engines of fighter jets. 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:27.500 And so our chemistry was, that's the history 00:15:27.500 --> 00:15:29.919 of it, was developed for that particular purpose. 00:15:30.340 --> 00:15:32.840 So this chemistry, even though it's a water -based 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:35.299 safe green chemistry, all our stuff is safe to 00:15:35.299 --> 00:15:37.419 use too. If you've got wives that don't want 00:15:37.419 --> 00:15:39.840 you cleaning the house, you could clean in the 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:41.220 house and they might not even know you're doing 00:15:41.220 --> 00:15:44.240 it. Wait a minute. I love the smell of the original 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:46.419 formula of Break Free. So we're saying we're 00:15:46.419 --> 00:15:48.340 getting away from that now? You can still put 00:15:48.340 --> 00:15:51.139 that behind your ears, Craig. Well, I ran out 00:15:51.139 --> 00:15:55.000 of it. And you're telling me that now, remember, 00:15:55.100 --> 00:15:58.080 talking to old guys here, caustic isn't better. 00:15:58.179 --> 00:16:01.120 And the more caustic, the better it is. That 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:03.899 formula doesn't work anymore? Something I'm going 00:16:03.899 --> 00:16:06.019 to let loose on your show a little bit, just 00:16:06.019 --> 00:16:08.059 a little bit, because we're not quite ready yet. 00:16:08.379 --> 00:16:11.370 But our chemistry is so good, I found out. There's 00:16:11.370 --> 00:16:13.289 a big story, but I won't get into that, that 00:16:13.289 --> 00:16:16.629 in the firefighting industry, cancer is a big 00:16:16.629 --> 00:16:19.669 problem. It's a big growing problem. And the 00:16:19.669 --> 00:16:22.070 firefighter that I made very good friends with 00:16:22.070 --> 00:16:25.610 and now I'm working quite intently with told 00:16:25.610 --> 00:16:28.710 me that when they clean their gear, they clean 00:16:28.710 --> 00:16:32.549 the carcinogens with a carcinogenic cleaner. 00:16:32.710 --> 00:16:35.149 And I said, that's insane. I said, we'll come 00:16:35.149 --> 00:16:37.409 up with a product for you. Now, our product that 00:16:37.409 --> 00:16:39.990 we develop for them has already tested. They're 00:16:39.990 --> 00:16:43.659 great. is a version of the carbon destroyer. 00:16:43.700 --> 00:16:46.080 So that product, you know, a version of it is 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:49.399 going to be used probably in a big way in the 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:51.019 firefighting industry because we want to keep 00:16:51.019 --> 00:16:54.600 people safe. So that product is something you 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:56.840 want to get out of carbon out, and if you put 00:16:56.840 --> 00:16:59.200 it on a gun that you think is already clean, 00:16:59.419 --> 00:17:01.899 like if you clean it and you go, we're all good, 00:17:01.940 --> 00:17:03.320 don't need to clean it anymore, put some more 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:05.140 stuff on there, let it sit for a couple minutes, 00:17:05.339 --> 00:17:07.880 maybe agitate a little bit, and you'll see more 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:10.160 gunk come out of the metal almost every time. 00:17:10.650 --> 00:17:12.369 And that freaks people out to go, I thought I 00:17:12.369 --> 00:17:15.009 cleaned it. Well, you didn't get it super clean. 00:17:15.269 --> 00:17:18.329 We're super cleaning beneath the surface. And 00:17:18.329 --> 00:17:20.750 that way it clears the road for the accuracy 00:17:20.750 --> 00:17:23.690 oil and the molecules have more place to bond 00:17:23.690 --> 00:17:25.710 onto for the accuracy oil. So you want to use 00:17:25.710 --> 00:17:28.410 both of those products together. And that's a 00:17:28.410 --> 00:17:31.470 phenomenal one -two punch. Right. Craig, how 00:17:31.470 --> 00:17:33.589 many times have you seen guys, you know, put 00:17:33.589 --> 00:17:37.220 a couple of drops of their oil on a... swab and 00:17:37.220 --> 00:17:39.200 run that through a patch and run that through 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:40.799 their gun and they're like oh this is really 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:42.759 doing a whole lot they've got two drops on there 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:44.680 and they think hey this has done a whole lot 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:49.259 we really in our cleaner we really say hey don't 00:17:49.259 --> 00:17:52.500 be shy with it because what we're trying to do 00:17:52.500 --> 00:17:56.019 is actually let the chemicals actually do the 00:17:56.019 --> 00:17:58.500 work on the metal and not just rubbing something 00:17:58.500 --> 00:18:01.440 through it and friction on it. So, again, it's 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:03.779 a different chemical or, you know, different 00:18:03.779 --> 00:18:05.759 chemistry, different results, a little bit different 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:07.700 process than just putting a couple drops on. 00:18:07.779 --> 00:18:10.539 We really wanted to soak in, give it time to 00:18:10.539 --> 00:18:13.740 use that chemical reaction. My dad had a 16 -gated 00:18:13.740 --> 00:18:15.519 head and cleaned for 25 years, and the stuff 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:17.809 just... I mean, it was just ridiculous running 00:18:17.809 --> 00:18:20.930 out. We've had muzzle loaders. Muzzle loaders, 00:18:20.930 --> 00:18:23.390 the carbon destroyer works fantastic on muzzle 00:18:23.390 --> 00:18:26.609 loaders or revolvers. You know, like a super 00:18:26.609 --> 00:18:29.250 blackhawk, there gets to be a lot of carbon built 00:18:29.250 --> 00:18:32.950 up on that revolver and works fantastic. If you 00:18:32.950 --> 00:18:34.869 give it just a little bit of time, don't just 00:18:34.869 --> 00:18:37.329 put it on and quick rub it or scrape it off like 00:18:37.329 --> 00:18:39.650 you do with all the other stuff that's out there. 00:18:39.730 --> 00:18:43.099 I say the word stuff. But that's fair, though, 00:18:43.180 --> 00:18:45.740 because if categorically, I'm not criticizing 00:18:45.740 --> 00:18:48.420 other products, but if categorically they fundamentally 00:18:48.420 --> 00:18:51.240 work differently, then it is okay to just lump 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:54.819 them together if what you do is, in fact, fundamentally 00:18:54.819 --> 00:18:57.140 operating at a different level. I don't mean 00:18:57.140 --> 00:18:59.180 that in the physical. Well, I guess at the physical 00:18:59.180 --> 00:19:02.539 level it is operating differently, but the methodology 00:19:02.539 --> 00:19:05.400 by which it works is different. Because, again, 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:08.720 my skepticism was you're not going to get molecular 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:12.289 binding. without either electrolysis without 00:19:12.289 --> 00:19:14.670 very high temperatures and heat in a constant 00:19:14.670 --> 00:19:17.849 environment you know without without some other 00:19:17.849 --> 00:19:21.569 methodology of preparing the the metal but the 00:19:21.569 --> 00:19:24.849 evidence the pragmatic side is the evidence suggests 00:19:24.849 --> 00:19:27.470 that that's exactly what is happening why don't 00:19:27.470 --> 00:19:31.069 you talk for a second dirk about um again nobody 00:19:31.069 --> 00:19:34.589 is here is recommending that we run our our gear 00:19:34.589 --> 00:19:38.670 sets dry uh or that we don't lubricate things. 00:19:38.849 --> 00:19:40.910 But there were a couple examples that kind of 00:19:40.910 --> 00:19:43.369 speak to the product and the fact that it does 00:19:43.369 --> 00:19:45.950 bind to the metal when they did run the product. 00:19:46.569 --> 00:19:48.730 I think it was a gearbox you mentioned, right? 00:19:48.829 --> 00:19:52.589 That was run dry and ran cooler even without 00:19:52.589 --> 00:19:55.509 lubrication. Yeah, so a buddy of mine owns a 00:19:55.509 --> 00:19:58.569 gearbox that he makes for errands, tractors and 00:19:58.569 --> 00:20:00.690 errands, trucks and things like that. And he 00:20:00.690 --> 00:20:04.150 ran it in and he did a test, took two brand new 00:20:04.150 --> 00:20:06.910 gearboxes, both had their regular oil in it. 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:09.240 And in one of them, he put the additive, not 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:11.480 just replace oil, but put the additive in it 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:14.839 in a small portion. It wasn't 50 -50, just a 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:18.420 few ounces per gallon, right? And what he did 00:20:18.420 --> 00:20:20.799 is he seized them for about 20 minutes, 25 minutes, 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:23.599 and got the temperatures up, dropped the oil 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:26.880 on them both, and then looked at what happened. 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:29.920 And the one without the additive in seized up 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:32.660 very fast, within less than five minutes. And 00:20:32.660 --> 00:20:34.700 the other one was running two and a half hours 00:20:34.700 --> 00:20:38.329 later. with no oil in it, and it was still running 00:20:38.329 --> 00:20:40.470 30 degrees cooler when the other one had oil 00:20:40.470 --> 00:20:44.049 in it. And I said, Alex, you know, that's great, 00:20:44.170 --> 00:20:46.009 but can you put the screws to it? You're from 00:20:46.009 --> 00:20:47.750 Missouri, you know, you like to break things 00:20:47.750 --> 00:20:50.329 and that kind of stuff. And so what he did is 00:20:50.329 --> 00:20:52.089 he sent me a video, and he kept turning up the 00:20:52.089 --> 00:20:55.990 RPMs on it. And his gearboxes, he's like, my 00:20:55.990 --> 00:20:57.930 brother and I can't believe this, were running 00:20:57.930 --> 00:21:01.150 twice the rated capacity that these gearboxes 00:21:01.150 --> 00:21:04.109 are, and they're running 30 degrees cooler than 00:21:04.109 --> 00:21:07.400 they did with our oil. Yeah, that's just incredible. 00:21:07.619 --> 00:21:09.619 I mean, that's just ridiculous because, I mean, 00:21:09.640 --> 00:21:13.420 that just flies in the face of so much other 00:21:13.420 --> 00:21:16.000 experience that says, you know, if you even run 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:18.720 low on oil, let alone run out, you're going to 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:21.859 scram whatever it is and it's over. Clean it 00:21:21.859 --> 00:21:24.339 very well with the carbon destroyer. You finish 00:21:24.339 --> 00:21:26.220 it up with the copper and lead destroyer because, 00:21:26.299 --> 00:21:28.519 again, those are two different types of chemicals 00:21:28.519 --> 00:21:30.640 and you want to take those out separately. The 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:32.809 carbon first, then the copper and lead. and then 00:21:32.809 --> 00:21:34.490 treat your metal that will fill in the pores 00:21:34.490 --> 00:21:36.529 and condition that metal with the accuracy oil. 00:21:36.630 --> 00:21:38.589 And that accuracy oil isn't a one -time deal 00:21:38.589 --> 00:21:40.470 that you run it through. It's really a shoot, 00:21:40.690 --> 00:21:44.450 run some more oil through it, shoot again, about 00:21:44.450 --> 00:21:47.650 five rounds, run some more oil through it, shoot 00:21:47.650 --> 00:21:50.470 again, and you're seasoning that barrel. So we 00:21:50.470 --> 00:21:53.190 make sure, though, but we don't want to make 00:21:53.190 --> 00:21:55.880 the case that… In perpetuity, you're still going 00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:57.660 to have to be adding in the oil. What you're 00:21:57.660 --> 00:21:59.319 really doing is you're trying to seed it in the 00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:01.619 pourers. And then at some point, you can back 00:22:01.619 --> 00:22:04.539 off of continuing to add oil. I just want to 00:22:04.539 --> 00:22:06.180 make that clear to people so that they don't 00:22:06.180 --> 00:22:08.039 think that they're constantly swapping their 00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:10.660 barrels every three to five rounds forever. Let 00:22:10.660 --> 00:22:14.079 me explain the process to you, which is something 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:16.579 I know you're interested in. When you get your 00:22:16.579 --> 00:22:19.480 gun, if it's a brand new gun, you want to shoot 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:22.980 about 40. at least 40, 50 rounds first through 00:22:22.980 --> 00:22:25.059 it with nothing in it, nothing, not our stuff. 00:22:25.259 --> 00:22:28.099 It's kind of a, it's a basic break in to pull 00:22:28.099 --> 00:22:31.859 off burrs and things like that. If you, once 00:22:31.859 --> 00:22:33.720 you do that, then you want to do our breaking. 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:36.500 If it's an older barrel, then you're good. But 00:22:36.500 --> 00:22:38.640 if it's brand new, do it that way. So you clean 00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:41.660 everything from the trigger to everything to 00:22:41.660 --> 00:22:45.200 the tip of the barrel, right? And then with that, 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:46.599 with the carbon destroyer, you pull everything 00:22:46.599 --> 00:22:49.480 out of there. We also have a copper lead destroyer, 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:52.720 which is a really good formula as well. And so 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:55.240 you clean it and then you lube everything. Every 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:58.039 piece of metal inside that gun you want our stuff 00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:00.339 on, including the trigger, because it will light 00:23:00.339 --> 00:23:03.559 the pull on the trigger too. And it will protect 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:06.220 it and everything else. And then when you do 00:23:06.220 --> 00:23:08.599 a one -time conditioning on the barrel, what 00:23:08.599 --> 00:23:10.579 Dirk was saying, you shoot a couple rounds, you 00:23:10.579 --> 00:23:13.619 reapply the accuracy oil. shoot a couple more 00:23:13.619 --> 00:23:15.259 rounds, do that a total of five applications, 00:23:15.460 --> 00:23:18.319 that'll fully saturate your barrel. And if you 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:19.960 did that and you're looking through a chronograph, 00:23:20.099 --> 00:23:22.400 you'll see your velocity and other numbers improve 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:24.799 quite a bit. And it depends on the gun and the 00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:26.180 bullet. So it might be a little bit, it might 00:23:26.180 --> 00:23:29.160 be a lot, but it's going to improve. And then 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:31.220 you get all those other benefits. So then after 00:23:31.220 --> 00:23:34.599 that, when it's time to clean your gun, then 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:37.019 you repeat, but you don't need to do that barrel 00:23:37.019 --> 00:23:39.180 breaking. And I'll tell you something else really 00:23:39.180 --> 00:23:42.920 important. One of the major benefits for people 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:44.819 is a lot of people don't like to clean their 00:23:44.819 --> 00:23:47.839 guns well guess what because of once you've done 00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:51.160 that on our with our stuff you can go probably 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:53.740 two to three times longer before you need to 00:23:53.740 --> 00:23:56.420 clean that gun out and when you do clean it out 00:23:56.420 --> 00:23:58.920 because everything's sitting on the top it's 00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:01.359 going to cut the cleaning time at least in half 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:03.900 a lot of times it's even easier than that and 00:24:03.900 --> 00:24:06.460 money is and money is time so and time is money 00:24:06.460 --> 00:24:08.940 so that's uh that actually works out pretty well 00:24:08.940 --> 00:24:11.819 if we're saving time and making it easier and 00:24:11.819 --> 00:24:14.720 increasing the enjoyment factor just because, 00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:16.980 you know, do I even want to take this gun to 00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:19.180 the range today because, you know, it's a bear 00:24:19.180 --> 00:24:22.519 to clean and is it even worth taking? Yeah, and 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:26.099 as a competition shooter, Craig and Ken, I mean, 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:29.440 do you guys see a difference in the barrel life 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:32.480 of your firearms? And I know long range shooters 00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:35.740 that I know see that, that they, you know, they 00:24:35.740 --> 00:24:38.500 run so many shots through that they see a deterioration 00:24:38.500 --> 00:24:41.609 in their barrels. One of the guns I have is a 00:24:41.609 --> 00:24:46.569 22 -250, which is a round, which basically I 00:24:46.569 --> 00:24:49.049 think it's one of the fastest factory rounds 00:24:49.049 --> 00:24:51.170 that you can get out there. With a light bullet, 00:24:51.349 --> 00:24:54.750 around 40 grains or so, you can push that velocity 00:24:54.750 --> 00:24:59.710 up to 4 ,000 plus feet per second, which is screaming 00:24:59.710 --> 00:25:04.470 fast. So I'm going to be trying this out, and 00:25:04.470 --> 00:25:06.390 we're going to set up the Craig's Chronograph, 00:25:06.609 --> 00:25:09.410 and we're going to run it a few rounds with one 00:25:09.410 --> 00:25:11.430 way, and we're going to run it a few rounds after 00:25:11.430 --> 00:25:14.509 we've seasoned the barrel with the product and 00:25:14.509 --> 00:25:16.509 see what we can see. Yeah, I think you're going 00:25:16.509 --> 00:25:19.630 to see some really interesting results. And you 00:25:19.630 --> 00:25:22.730 take your baseline, and you compare it to after 00:25:22.730 --> 00:25:26.089 your fifth application on there, and you're going 00:25:26.089 --> 00:25:30.039 to see some nice improvements. Charlie Melton 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:35.259 and Brad Starr. Charlie Melton's a really hero 00:25:35.259 --> 00:25:39.920 Navy SEAL sniper, sniper instructor, trained 00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:43.519 guys like Chris Kyle and Marcus and Morgan Luttrell, 00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:46.480 people like that. And he and Brad, Brad owns 00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:50.160 Performance Guns, and he's one of the top custom 00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:53.900 sniper rifle makers in the world. And those guys 00:25:53.900 --> 00:25:58.200 did a couple years back, he did a 5 ,025 -yard 00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:02.329 shot. And they're big, huge fans of our stuff. 00:26:02.390 --> 00:26:05.170 And they'll tell you that that makes a difference. 00:26:05.430 --> 00:26:07.690 And obviously, we're not the main cause, but 00:26:07.690 --> 00:26:10.349 we're a factor. And so you get people like that 00:26:10.349 --> 00:26:14.529 and, you know, Rex Tibor and, again, lots of 00:26:14.529 --> 00:26:17.170 snipers and really high -end shooters, a lot 00:26:17.170 --> 00:26:20.369 of competition shooters, a lot of hunters, you 00:26:20.369 --> 00:26:22.250 know, people all over the place that know what 00:26:22.250 --> 00:26:24.269 they're talking about. When they use our stuff, 00:26:24.470 --> 00:26:27.940 like you're finding out. Love it. And yeah, Ken, 00:26:28.059 --> 00:26:29.539 I'd be really interested to see what kind of 00:26:29.539 --> 00:26:32.259 results you get when you're doing it. And I think 00:26:32.259 --> 00:26:34.539 you're going to be very happy. So let's talk 00:26:34.539 --> 00:26:38.180 for a second about value here. Your products 00:26:38.180 --> 00:26:41.539 are not the cheapest out there. And then again, 00:26:41.740 --> 00:26:45.200 we are comparing apples to oranges in a lot of 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:47.900 ways. How much you're getting feedback though, 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:50.700 apparently on increasing the longevity of a gun. 00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:53.940 I mean, because the cost of your product pales 00:26:53.940 --> 00:26:57.980 in comparison to a worn out part on a rare gun. 00:26:58.259 --> 00:27:01.440 It compares, it compares very favorably to worn 00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:06.180 out pistons on my V10. So I think that you composition 00:27:06.180 --> 00:27:08.599 shooter that makes money off what they do, you 00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:11.180 know, that's right. It's, you know, it's, it's 00:27:11.180 --> 00:27:13.940 the same thing. I want to just give as the marketing 00:27:13.940 --> 00:27:17.119 guy here, our website is in the process of being 00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:20.789 updated to change. So if you go to it, it might 00:27:20.789 --> 00:27:23.150 be a little awkward and chunky right now. You 00:27:23.150 --> 00:27:26.470 can Google or YouTube a lot of different things 00:27:26.470 --> 00:27:28.509 just looking for Modern Spartan. A lot of people 00:27:28.509 --> 00:27:31.089 have done reviews on it. But Marcus, what's the 00:27:31.089 --> 00:27:33.009 promo code? I just wanted to give that out to 00:27:33.009 --> 00:27:35.170 Craig and the listeners to make sure that we 00:27:35.170 --> 00:27:40.069 have that before we run out of time. The program 00:27:40.069 --> 00:27:48.170 code is FFP, right? Exactly. FFP for 10%. 10 00:27:48.170 --> 00:27:50.950 % discount. Oh, and let me add in something before 00:27:50.950 --> 00:27:55.009 I forget, too. One of the value -added benefits 00:27:55.009 --> 00:27:57.890 to this stuff, besides it being green and safe 00:27:57.890 --> 00:28:02.190 to use and you can use it around kids and pets 00:28:02.190 --> 00:28:04.269 and you can use it inside and your wife's not 00:28:04.269 --> 00:28:05.849 going to kick you out of the house, but one of 00:28:05.849 --> 00:28:08.349 the other benefits is if you get something that's 00:28:08.349 --> 00:28:10.390 got corrosion, not only will it protect from 00:28:10.390 --> 00:28:13.289 corrosion, but you can use our stuff to remove 00:28:13.289 --> 00:28:16.299 the corrosion. And it might take a little while, 00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:21.140 but we can rehab guns and fishing reels and things 00:28:21.140 --> 00:28:23.500 with our product because of how the modules work 00:28:23.500 --> 00:28:27.859 to get underneath the corrosive oxidizers, and 00:28:27.859 --> 00:28:30.420 they'll push them off. And so you can restore 00:28:30.420 --> 00:28:32.759 old guns. We've had people take guns they found 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:35.900 in the swamp that were, they said, will never 00:28:35.900 --> 00:28:37.859 do anything, but they learned about our stuff. 00:28:38.019 --> 00:28:41.599 They used it, and it was a brand -new gun. So, 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:46.819 yeah. Fantastic. Yes. Find out more stuff. Follow 00:28:46.819 --> 00:28:49.819 our Facebook page, our Instagram. If you have 00:28:49.819 --> 00:28:53.599 questions, you will hit me directly on that. 00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:56.140 If I don't have the answer for you, I will go 00:28:56.140 --> 00:28:59.059 to some of our pro shooters or some of our coaches 00:28:59.059 --> 00:29:02.599 that know way more than I would ever dream of 00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:05.380 for that information and get that out to you 00:29:05.380 --> 00:29:07.059 because we really want to have that communication. 00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:09.880 Again, just don't say it's snake oil because 00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:13.000 that's what we hear a lot. You've got to really... 00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:15.940 Give it a try. I mean, really just give it a 00:29:15.940 --> 00:29:19.519 try and think, hey, this is a different chemistry, 00:29:19.900 --> 00:29:22.720 different results. And just like Craig has experienced, 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:25.880 not only do you see it in your vehicles, but 00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:27.640 you can, you know, we've got the product for. 00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:30.559 firearms. We've also got products for knives. 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:32.759 We also, Craig, I don't know if you've seen that 00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:35.079 yet, but we do have the accuracy oil has been 00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:38.299 blended with the red lithium grease. And a lot 00:29:38.299 --> 00:29:40.660 of people like putting that in their rails, that 00:29:40.660 --> 00:29:43.000 red lithium, it's called the accuracy grease. 00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:44.819 That's going to be one of the next things I, 00:29:44.859 --> 00:29:47.200 yeah, I'm going to order that too. And you even 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:50.420 have something for glass cleaning. I mean, of 00:29:50.420 --> 00:29:54.180 all the things, I wouldn't have expected that 00:29:54.180 --> 00:29:55.640 to be in there. That's certainly not accuracy 00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:58.799 oil, but. No, but think about that for your optics. 00:29:59.019 --> 00:30:01.799 Yeah, Craig, actually, it's a brand new, we've 00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:04.119 upgraded, there's a great formula to begin with, 00:30:04.140 --> 00:30:06.920 and we've actually upgraded that again. So it's 00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:09.240 going to be even better. It's gentle and mild, 00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:11.259 but you can use it on high -end optics. You can 00:30:11.259 --> 00:30:13.579 use it on your glasses, sunglasses, smartphones. 00:30:14.140 --> 00:30:18.099 You can use it on the exterior of your gun. All 00:30:18.099 --> 00:30:20.079 that. So the best thing to get, I would recommend 00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:23.099 people get the Starter Kit Plus because it's 00:30:23.099 --> 00:30:25.799 got all the products in one nice, neat package. 00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:28.960 It's called a click box. So it's easy to carry 00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:31.019 around and move. And it's got the accuracy oil, 00:30:31.220 --> 00:30:34.259 accuracy grease, the carbon destroyer, the copper 00:30:34.259 --> 00:30:37.220 lead destroyer, and the crystal clear lens leader. 00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:40.059 It's all in one nice package. So it's a really 00:30:40.059 --> 00:30:43.240 good value. And I'll add that. For the listeners, 00:30:43.420 --> 00:30:45.660 it's not just the starter kits that are available. 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:48.059 If you want larger quantities, I went ahead and 00:30:48.059 --> 00:30:50.680 bought the accuracy oil in the large bottle right 00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:53.660 out of the gate because it sure seemed like it 00:30:53.660 --> 00:30:57.279 was going to do the job. And if you want to try 00:30:57.279 --> 00:30:59.319 it, definitely start with the starter kit or 00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:02.220 a sampler kit and then move up from there. But 00:31:02.220 --> 00:31:05.440 I've been, again, very impressed with, and I 00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:08.160 was, I told you up front. I was going to be the 00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:10.240 hardest guy to convince, and you convinced me. 00:31:10.819 --> 00:31:14.440 And now I'm all about it, and I'm going to tell 00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:18.480 everyone, you know, not that we talk about lubrication 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:20.740 at parties and things like that very often, but 00:31:20.740 --> 00:31:23.539 every time I get the opportunity to have the 00:31:23.539 --> 00:31:25.539 conversation, I'm going to have that conversation 00:31:25.539 --> 00:31:29.839 and push forward. So I want to thank you guys. 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:33.920 It's about value, right? So you get so many benefits 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:35.799 out of it that if you know what you're looking 00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:40.289 at, And you get accuracy and reliability in all 00:31:40.289 --> 00:31:43.690 environments. And you get easy cleanup time. 00:31:43.789 --> 00:31:46.250 You get longer barrel life and on and on and 00:31:46.250 --> 00:31:49.349 on. This is really, you're investing in something 00:31:49.349 --> 00:31:51.470 that's way more compared to anything else in 00:31:51.470 --> 00:31:53.910 the market. So it's really making your stuff 00:31:53.910 --> 00:31:56.809 better. And it does not, and value does not have 00:31:56.809 --> 00:32:00.289 to be monetary. Value could be, I simply got 00:32:00.289 --> 00:32:03.490 more enjoyment out of the money and time I spent. 00:32:03.549 --> 00:32:08.000 And that. right there would be enough. So I want 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:09.880 to thank you guys for coming on the show. Any 00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:12.259 closing comments at all? Ken and I will take 00:32:12.259 --> 00:32:14.839 it from here and we'll mention one more time 00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:17.420 that discount code that you generously offered. 00:32:17.779 --> 00:32:21.160 But yeah, the floor is yours. And if you have 00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:26.799 anything else to add. ModernSpartanSystems .com. 00:32:28.539 --> 00:32:32.140 Yes, indeed. And I would just say the same thing. 00:32:32.569 --> 00:32:35.849 Try our products. We got great stuff. We get 00:32:35.849 --> 00:32:39.009 other things that we're highly involved in too, 00:32:39.069 --> 00:32:41.950 like our specialty coatings for firearms and 00:32:41.950 --> 00:32:44.509 that. If you're an FFL or you're a gunsmith, 00:32:44.670 --> 00:32:48.390 definitely get involved with our stuff. It will 00:32:48.390 --> 00:32:51.670 really make a big difference. And if you use 00:32:51.670 --> 00:32:53.650 it, you'll love it. That's just how it works. 00:32:53.970 --> 00:32:56.750 All right. Thanks again, guys. Appreciate it. 00:32:56.829 --> 00:32:58.890 Thank you, gentlemen. Appreciate it. Bye -bye. 00:32:58.950 --> 00:33:02.740 Bye, guys. Bye. Well, I appreciate Dirk and Marcus 00:33:02.740 --> 00:33:05.920 coming on today with us, and I'd like to use 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:08.299 some of the lubrication products, particularly 00:33:08.299 --> 00:33:11.299 on my 22 -250. I'm going to check out the velocity, 00:33:11.500 --> 00:33:14.180 potential increases there. You don't mind spending 00:33:14.180 --> 00:33:16.839 the money on that to find out how many rounds 00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:18.380 we're going to have to use to find that out? 00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:20.819 I mean, it doesn't sound like many, but this 00:33:20.819 --> 00:33:23.519 is on your dime, Ken. I know. I'm a reloader, 00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:26.960 and the thing about it is it does use the standard 00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:30.700 5 .56. projectile so it's kind of like the 22 00:33:30.700 --> 00:33:35.680 250 is kind of like a 223 or 556 on steroids 00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:38.420 and i'm very much looking forward to see what 00:33:38.420 --> 00:33:41.140 sort of velocity increases we can see there Yeah, 00:33:41.180 --> 00:33:44.160 we're going to have to get out to a greater range 00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.319 than we typically shoot at because our range 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:49.279 is limited to only 200 yards. So maybe we'll 00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:51.140 have to, we'll chronograph it at the barrel, 00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:53.500 but we'll want to see, you know, what those long 00:33:53.500 --> 00:33:55.759 range groups will do. How far have you shot that 00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:59.660 gun before? Oh, probably a little over 400 yards, 00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:02.740 which in many ways is the limit, maybe out 500. 00:34:03.339 --> 00:34:04.839 depending on the bullet weight. Lighter bullet 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:08.239 weights are faster. Heavier bullet weights can 00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:11.420 go out a little bit farther. That 22 -250 round 00:34:11.420 --> 00:34:14.820 was selected by certain countries as being their 00:34:14.820 --> 00:34:18.300 sniper round, or counter -sniper round, I suppose 00:34:18.300 --> 00:34:20.860 you'd call it. Because of its incredible speed, 00:34:21.219 --> 00:34:23.559 you're getting upwards of 4 ,000 feet per second, 00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:25.159 and if you're going to take a shot like that, 00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:27.460 you want that round to get there as quickly as 00:34:27.460 --> 00:34:30.550 possible. Yeah, and at those kind of speeds, 00:34:32.829 --> 00:34:35.210 you'll get a lot of throat erosion. Absolutely. 00:34:35.230 --> 00:34:37.849 That's where the lubrication is going to really 00:34:37.849 --> 00:34:41.489 take a hit. Yeah, yeah. Maybe we need a bore 00:34:41.489 --> 00:34:44.389 scope to take a look at the condition of your 00:34:44.389 --> 00:34:46.369 barrel before and after. That would be an interesting 00:34:46.369 --> 00:34:50.000 project. It would be. I'll have to look into 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.860 possibly getting a borescope. Or if you're a 00:34:52.860 --> 00:34:55.179 manufacturer of borescopes and you would like 00:34:55.179 --> 00:34:57.719 to be featured on the show, we would be more 00:34:57.719 --> 00:34:59.840 than happy to review. Evaluate your product. 00:34:59.940 --> 00:35:02.380 Absolutely. And if it meets our standards and 00:35:02.380 --> 00:35:04.480 something we like, then we'll feature you on 00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:06.360 the show as well. Hey, by the way, something 00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:09.360 that we always like to include in the show, but 00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:11.099 we're going to expand a little bit on this time. 00:35:11.579 --> 00:35:14.980 Is this a legal show, Ken? This is not a legal. 00:35:15.739 --> 00:35:17.860 show in the fact that we are not lawyers, no. 00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:21.199 Right. And so anything that we say is strictly 00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:24.900 our opinion. And those, and not the opinion of 00:35:24.900 --> 00:35:27.360 the podcast networks across our representation. 00:35:27.579 --> 00:35:30.159 But one thing we'd like to add too is, you know, 00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:32.300 any of the products that we talk about, while 00:35:32.300 --> 00:35:34.820 we believe in them and we're willing to take 00:35:34.820 --> 00:35:38.260 any appropriate risk to use those products, you 00:35:38.260 --> 00:35:41.480 have to evaluate your own risk as well. Just 00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:44.000 because we say it's good doesn't mean it's the 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:46.590 perfect product for you. Now, I feel very confident 00:35:46.590 --> 00:35:49.789 that the modern Spartan Systems products are 00:35:49.789 --> 00:35:52.789 right for a very, very broad spectrum of the 00:35:52.789 --> 00:35:56.269 shooting universe. But at the same time, you're 00:35:56.269 --> 00:35:58.349 responsible for doing your own homework on these 00:35:58.349 --> 00:36:00.489 things. You're responsible for the research, 00:36:00.630 --> 00:36:03.650 and you're responsible for ultimately using them 00:36:03.650 --> 00:36:06.909 responsibly. Just as you would if you were carrying 00:36:06.909 --> 00:36:08.869 a gun, right? You're responsible for every round 00:36:08.869 --> 00:36:12.489 that goes downrange. If things don't go right, 00:36:12.610 --> 00:36:14.730 don't look to blame anyone but yourself. Isn't 00:36:14.730 --> 00:36:18.449 that the case, Ken? Absolutely the case. One 00:36:18.449 --> 00:36:20.690 of the things is you cannot call a round back. 00:36:21.269 --> 00:36:24.710 After it has left the barrel, it's going to go 00:36:24.710 --> 00:36:26.449 where it's going to go, and you are responsible 00:36:26.449 --> 00:36:30.090 for that. Yeah. So it'll be the same for that 00:36:30.090 --> 00:36:32.610 and all the products that we talk about. Just 00:36:32.610 --> 00:36:35.429 take that individual responsibility. Another 00:36:35.429 --> 00:36:37.949 topic that I wanted to address was the types 00:36:37.949 --> 00:36:40.670 of products that we have featured on the Frugal 00:36:40.670 --> 00:36:43.210 Firearms podcast. Now, understand that a lot 00:36:43.210 --> 00:36:45.210 of those products, this being a value -centered 00:36:45.210 --> 00:36:47.829 show, are going to be things that are made overseas. 00:36:48.050 --> 00:36:49.989 A lot of them are going to come from China, to 00:36:49.989 --> 00:36:54.389 be quite honest. And while Ken and I both absolutely... 00:36:54.619 --> 00:36:57.679 agree and support the idea that you should be 00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.440 buying American wherever you can, it doesn't 00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:02.900 necessarily mean the product that is going to 00:37:02.900 --> 00:37:05.159 fit your budget and fit your needs is going to 00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:07.719 be a US -based product. I had a conversation 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:11.139 some time ago with one of the big optics manufacturers, 00:37:11.380 --> 00:37:14.239 and they pointed out to me that even among companies 00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:17.219 that you think would be US -based firms, that 00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:19.780 Their products are actually built, at least the 00:37:19.780 --> 00:37:22.579 glass, overseas. And why? A lot of the problem 00:37:22.579 --> 00:37:26.019 with that is that glass is a very difficult thing 00:37:26.019 --> 00:37:27.960 to do in the United States because of various 00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:31.219 environmental regulations. And our guests from 00:37:31.219 --> 00:37:33.800 Modern Spartan Systems are in the chemical business. 00:37:34.099 --> 00:37:36.599 Not an easy thing to do in the United States. 00:37:36.619 --> 00:37:39.440 But the differentiator here is that they are 00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:41.579 doing it in the United States. And those are 00:37:41.579 --> 00:37:44.900 U .S.-made products. So I really want to... hopefully 00:37:44.900 --> 00:37:47.760 get people enthused about buying Modern Spartan 00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:50.360 Systems products because they are US -based. 00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:53.780 I'm going to put that link to the ability to 00:37:53.780 --> 00:37:56.679 save 10 % into the show notes. But if you don't 00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:59.079 go to the show notes, you can still get to their 00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:01.579 website, which is modernspartansystems .com. 00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:06.039 And at checkout, use the discount code FFP, short 00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:08.619 for Frugal Firearms Podcast, and you'll get that 00:38:08.619 --> 00:38:11.300 10 % and you'll be helping the show. So we're 00:38:11.300 --> 00:38:12.699 going to be looking forward to having another 00:38:12.699 --> 00:38:15.320 show coming up relatively soon. There are a couple 00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:17.239 of different opportunities that we have to get 00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:18.860 guests on. I'm not sure which one's going to 00:38:18.860 --> 00:38:21.300 be next. What sort of products do you want to 00:38:21.300 --> 00:38:22.920 talk about coming up in the future here, Ken? 00:38:23.420 --> 00:38:26.139 Well, you know, I am a reloader and there are 00:38:26.139 --> 00:38:28.960 some ways that people could look into reloading. 00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:32.219 And I think that would be an area that I would 00:38:32.219 --> 00:38:33.619 like to talk about because you can literally 00:38:33.619 --> 00:38:38.309 get into it for... About $100 and possibly, and 00:38:38.309 --> 00:38:40.190 you can go into the multi -thousands as well. 00:38:40.349 --> 00:38:43.650 Depends on volume and so forth. But that's something 00:38:43.650 --> 00:38:46.309 I would like to broach. Maybe a multiple. How 00:38:46.309 --> 00:38:49.809 much do you think you've saved on doing reloading 00:38:49.809 --> 00:38:52.329 as opposed to, well, you mentioned the 22 -250 00:38:52.329 --> 00:38:55.070 that we're going to try accuracy oil in that 00:38:55.070 --> 00:38:58.110 rifle on. If you're buying factory loads, how 00:38:58.110 --> 00:38:59.889 much do you think you'd be spending as a function 00:38:59.889 --> 00:39:03.190 of reloading them yourself? I think you could. 00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:07.239 Easily save two -thirds of the price of a factory 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.119 round. And the fact that you can actually dial 00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:13.340 down a particular round or dial it up for the 00:39:13.340 --> 00:39:16.159 particular projectile that you have, that is 00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:18.260 something that you can't... get it all in the 00:39:18.260 --> 00:39:21.099 factory load. Yeah, we'll have to be careful, 00:39:21.340 --> 00:39:23.420 though, because the engineer in me is seeing 00:39:23.420 --> 00:39:26.219 all kinds of variables coming at us. So you'll 00:39:26.219 --> 00:39:28.579 have to dial in a load, and then we're going 00:39:28.579 --> 00:39:30.539 to have to stick with that particular load for 00:39:30.539 --> 00:39:34.300 testing the efficacy of accuracy oil. And by 00:39:34.300 --> 00:39:37.300 the way, once we get that data for our listeners, 00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:39.780 we're going to talk about that in a future show 00:39:39.780 --> 00:39:43.059 and see, did we see a difference? What kind of 00:39:43.059 --> 00:39:45.769 difference did we see? But keeping in mind that, 00:39:45.829 --> 00:39:48.090 you know, my data point wasn't a firearms thing. 00:39:48.130 --> 00:39:51.610 It was my car. But I don't know if I'm saving 00:39:51.610 --> 00:39:54.929 over $100 a year on a product that costs 30, 00:39:55.030 --> 00:39:57.550 which was the, you know, the bottle that I bought. 00:39:58.010 --> 00:40:00.869 That's a pretty good return on investment. And 00:40:00.869 --> 00:40:03.889 again, if it makes the life of the car or the 00:40:03.889 --> 00:40:07.070 gun that much greater, then I can't even measure 00:40:07.070 --> 00:40:09.489 that number. Absolutely, and I've even got some 00:40:09.489 --> 00:40:12.530 ideas about other types of mechanical devices 00:40:12.530 --> 00:40:15.949 that need lubrication where this type of lubricant 00:40:15.949 --> 00:40:18.550 would be a benefit. So I'm looking forward to 00:40:18.550 --> 00:40:21.030 possibly even testing it out there. Yeah, maybe 00:40:21.030 --> 00:40:23.710 your reloading press so you're not trying to 00:40:23.710 --> 00:40:25.969 use that in lieu of going to the gym for a workout. 00:40:26.989 --> 00:40:31.889 Indeed. Reloading presses, at least the ones 00:40:31.889 --> 00:40:35.429 I have, are very, very good. Yeah. Okay, so we're 00:40:35.429 --> 00:40:37.349 going to wrap it up here. Thank you for listening. 00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:39.579 All right. Good night listeners. And I appreciate 00:40:39.579 --> 00:40:41.840 very much you downloading and listening to us. 00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:43.699 And if you've got anything you'd like to say, 00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:46.400 please feel free to email us and we'll try to 00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:48.119 comment on it the next show. Thank you so much. 00:40:48.219 --> 00:40:51.880 And that'll be at frugal firearms podcast and 00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:54.800 firearms is plural. So frugal firearms podcast 00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:58.320 at gmail .com. 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