WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.319 so you want to make sure that number one your 00:00:02.319 --> 00:00:05.200 instructor is also a student right the minute 00:00:05.200 --> 00:00:07.540 an instructor thinks they know all that they're 00:00:07.540 --> 00:00:09.500 they're suffering dunning -kruger at that point 00:00:09.500 --> 00:00:11.039 and they're going to teach you what they know 00:00:11.039 --> 00:00:13.640 you know and so you want to make sure your instructor 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:15.820 is training he's competing he's in the world 00:00:15.820 --> 00:00:17.820 because it changes things are changing all the 00:00:17.820 --> 00:01:01.759 time Welcome to Episode 3 of the Frugal Firearms 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:04.819 Podcast, the podcast designed to help you, the 00:01:04.819 --> 00:01:07.319 shooting enthusiast, to get the most for your 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:10.340 dollar, get the most enjoyment, get the most 00:01:10.340 --> 00:01:13.260 fun, get the most out of your equipment. I'm 00:01:13.260 --> 00:01:15.640 here with my guest, Ken. Ken, say hello to our 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:18.260 guests. Hello, listeners, and we've got a wonderful 00:01:18.260 --> 00:01:21.900 guest for you to join with us today. Yeah, this 00:01:21.900 --> 00:01:25.799 is our first guest on the show. We have not done 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:28.349 that before, but... I think that I've made it 00:01:28.349 --> 00:01:30.650 very clear in earlier episodes. And by the way, 00:01:30.670 --> 00:01:32.150 if you haven't listened to the earlier episodes, 00:01:32.250 --> 00:01:35.090 I would encourage you to go back and go through 00:01:35.090 --> 00:01:40.150 the extensive library of episodes zero, the collector's 00:01:40.150 --> 00:01:42.430 edition beta test that actually came out pretty 00:01:42.430 --> 00:01:45.209 well. So we posted it. And episodes one and two, 00:01:45.230 --> 00:01:47.700 where we talk about our value ratings. Today 00:01:47.700 --> 00:01:49.200 is going to be a little bit different because 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:52.200 we're not going to be spending much of any time 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:55.219 on actual equipment itself, but we're going to 00:01:55.219 --> 00:01:59.019 be talking again to our first guest, who is going 00:01:59.019 --> 00:02:02.260 to be discussing the value proposition of training 00:02:02.260 --> 00:02:05.359 and why training is an important part of your 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:08.039 overall repertoire and your overall toolbox, 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:12.219 if you will. And in so doing, I encourage you 00:02:12.219 --> 00:02:14.560 to seek out, if you're not in the area where 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:17.310 our guest is located, you know seek out local 00:02:17.310 --> 00:02:19.550 training or seek out some of the national level 00:02:19.550 --> 00:02:22.090 trainers when they come through your area because 00:02:22.090 --> 00:02:24.810 there is value in this i've experienced it and 00:02:24.810 --> 00:02:27.310 we're starting off with this as our first guest 00:02:27.310 --> 00:02:31.009 because i think that the value of training is 00:02:31.009 --> 00:02:34.550 vastly underrated and needs to be really pushed 00:02:34.550 --> 00:02:38.069 out there so greg from defensive arts center 00:02:38.069 --> 00:02:40.729 in portland oregon Please introduce yourself. 00:02:40.830 --> 00:02:42.650 Tell us who you are. Tell us what you do. Tell 00:02:42.650 --> 00:02:45.969 us how you got there. Well, it's only 45 minutes, 00:02:46.009 --> 00:02:49.669 so I'll give you the short version. So thanks 00:02:49.669 --> 00:02:53.009 for having me, guys. Much appreciate. I really, 00:02:53.069 --> 00:02:55.710 really like what you're doing. I think that's 00:02:55.710 --> 00:03:01.189 huge. A little bit about me. So when I got, I'm 00:03:01.189 --> 00:03:04.169 a nerd. That's the first and foremost. I have 00:03:04.169 --> 00:03:06.599 40 years healthcare IT background. so although 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:09.680 i do have i am a veteran i've been you know firearm 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:11.939 enthusiast most of my life as most of you know 00:03:11.939 --> 00:03:15.659 the cost of taking on firearms as a as a hobby 00:03:15.659 --> 00:03:18.240 seriously is is cost prohibitive for for many 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:20.800 many people as it was for me it wasn't until 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:22.879 i got into my 40s that i had enough disposable 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:25.960 income to actually you know step out and get 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:28.919 serious and so i started training i started competing 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:32.819 i started traveling And it took me, oh, I don't 00:03:32.819 --> 00:03:34.939 know, less than six months to realize in my travels 00:03:34.939 --> 00:03:37.199 that there are way more people carrying guns 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:40.620 that shouldn't and should. I was absolutely astounded 00:03:40.620 --> 00:03:45.659 at the, I want to say ignorance level. Ignorance 00:03:45.659 --> 00:03:48.500 is not a bad word. I'm not saying, don't confuse 00:03:48.500 --> 00:03:52.919 that with a negative term, but ignorance, just 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:55.740 lack of knowledge. And the firearms industry 00:03:55.740 --> 00:04:00.759 is kind of... ensconced in that it is inherently 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:03.979 safety oriented and as such they kind of hold 00:04:03.979 --> 00:04:08.180 students into fixed arenas so that you really 00:04:08.180 --> 00:04:10.240 can't do anything wrong and you really can't 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:12.699 can't can't screw up my background is martial 00:04:12.699 --> 00:04:15.479 arts so i've got uh many years of private instruction 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:17.699 northern challenge kung fu northern challenge 00:04:17.699 --> 00:04:21.120 eagle claw at age 60 i'm currently studying ninjutsu 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:23.480 because i'm an idiot realizing that my body does 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:25.620 not bounce on the mats like it did in my 20s 00:04:25.620 --> 00:04:29.339 and 30s But as I travel and I started to realize 00:04:29.339 --> 00:04:32.180 this, I realized that there was a gap. There 00:04:32.180 --> 00:04:36.000 was something missing in training. And what I 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:40.459 focus on is real world self -defense as it presents. 00:04:40.699 --> 00:04:43.920 And I mentioned that I'm kind of a nerd. I have 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:45.560 downloaded the databases from the Department 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:49.259 of Justice, the FBI. I threw them into Microsoft 00:04:49.259 --> 00:04:53.100 SQL and I started studying that. What does real 00:04:53.100 --> 00:04:57.170 world violence look like in this country? under 00:04:57.170 --> 00:05:00.490 the umbrella of pragmatic self -defense. And 00:05:00.490 --> 00:05:02.329 I realized very quickly that there really is 00:05:02.329 --> 00:05:04.910 no amount of going to a gun range in a live fire 00:05:04.910 --> 00:05:07.649 environment that can teach you self -defense 00:05:07.649 --> 00:05:10.430 with a firearm. As real world violence starts 00:05:10.430 --> 00:05:13.149 inside of 15 feet, you don't know what's coming. 00:05:13.250 --> 00:05:15.149 You have to process the attack. Takes you half 00:05:15.149 --> 00:05:17.550 a second to do what's called an OODA loop. By 00:05:17.550 --> 00:05:19.350 the time you're prepared to defend yourself, 00:05:19.750 --> 00:05:22.800 your attacker's at three feet or less. That's 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:25.779 a whole different skill set. And so what I set 00:05:25.779 --> 00:05:27.600 up for the Defensive Arts Center is an entire 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:32.060 facility to bridge that gap. We train with simunitions, 00:05:32.180 --> 00:05:35.019 which are less lethal rounds that allows us to 00:05:35.019 --> 00:05:39.199 fully racks a Glock 17 or we have carbine platforms. 00:05:39.259 --> 00:05:43.100 We have shotguns that does actually shoot projectiles. 00:05:43.100 --> 00:05:45.860 It gives you recoil, but I could shoot you in 00:05:45.860 --> 00:05:47.660 the knee and I would go to the doctor because 00:05:47.660 --> 00:05:48.980 you'd beat the heck out of me for shooting you 00:05:48.980 --> 00:05:51.329 in the knee, but you wouldn't have to. so you 00:05:51.329 --> 00:05:54.310 said something that i think that i wanted to 00:05:54.310 --> 00:05:57.189 walk back to just for a moment because there's 00:05:57.189 --> 00:05:59.449 going to be a certain number of people who are 00:05:59.449 --> 00:06:01.930 in our listener base who are going to think well 00:06:01.930 --> 00:06:06.189 wait a minute carrying a weapon for self -defense 00:06:06.189 --> 00:06:10.009 is as ken and i discussed on a previous edition 00:06:10.009 --> 00:06:12.790 is not just a human right it's a natural right 00:06:12.790 --> 00:06:16.610 and you postulated and by the way i'll tell you 00:06:16.610 --> 00:06:19.490 that i agree with you that a lot of people who 00:06:19.490 --> 00:06:22.160 are carrying guns shouldn't be. Now, I think 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:23.839 that that's going to rub certain people the wrong 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:25.199 way, because they're going to think that, well, 00:06:25.259 --> 00:06:26.980 wait a minute, you're trying to take away, let's 00:06:26.980 --> 00:06:29.839 say, for example, my First Amendment right, because 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:32.639 I don't speak well, I'm not allowed to talk. 00:06:32.860 --> 00:06:36.980 So how would you differentiate that? And how 00:06:36.980 --> 00:06:38.980 does the data that you've downloaded from the 00:06:38.980 --> 00:06:41.860 DOJ and possibly even other sites like, you know, 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:44.060 John Kerry's active self -defense site and things 00:06:44.060 --> 00:06:47.540 like that, how do those things correlate to backing 00:06:47.540 --> 00:06:51.149 up that statement so that you actually get into 00:06:51.149 --> 00:06:53.550 the mind of people who haven't practiced enough, 00:06:53.689 --> 00:06:56.149 who haven't been trained enough. And so that 00:06:56.149 --> 00:06:58.889 they understand that the world out there is not 00:06:58.889 --> 00:07:01.209 going to be forgiving when they get to that point 00:07:01.209 --> 00:07:05.449 of ultimate need where you either win or you 00:07:05.449 --> 00:07:10.769 don't go home. So the short answer is what I 00:07:10.769 --> 00:07:12.850 call Dunning -Kruger. So Dunning -Kruger effect, 00:07:12.949 --> 00:07:14.970 if you're not familiar, Dunning and Kruger are 00:07:14.970 --> 00:07:19.319 a couple of psychologists best described as a 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:21.319 person's artificial belief in their ability to 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:23.439 do something based on a minimum amount of experience. 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:28.199 One of the things about firearms training is 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:31.600 it is cost prohibitive. And a lot of people don't 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:33.779 understand. Well, that's not true. It's not true. 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:36.860 A lot of people, they do understand what it takes 00:07:36.860 --> 00:07:39.480 to become highly proficient at something. So 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:41.339 let's talk about sports professionals, right? 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:45.060 How many free throws do you throw? before you 00:07:45.060 --> 00:07:46.779 get out there in front of people and so that 00:07:46.779 --> 00:07:48.459 you are absolutely sure that you're going to 00:07:48.459 --> 00:07:51.740 make that shot. Everything we do in life, we 00:07:51.740 --> 00:07:55.800 train, we understand the necessity for repetitive 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:58.740 training. But for some reason, that has kind 00:07:58.740 --> 00:08:01.920 of gone by the wayside a lot. And obviously not 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:04.000 with everyone. This is not a blanket statement. 00:08:04.620 --> 00:08:09.800 But people are taught quite often from a variety 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:12.620 of instructors. I'll try to keep company names 00:08:12.620 --> 00:08:16.240 out of this, or I should say certifying bodies, 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:18.279 because there's a few of them out there. But 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:24.500 generally speaking, it is just not based on reality. 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:29.139 So you have to take lessons to drive your car 00:08:29.139 --> 00:08:32.519 so that you're safe. Very few people have ever 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:35.360 put themselves in a scenario where they have 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:39.159 to manipulate and wield their firearm in a stressful 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:42.580 situation. So a simple example. How many of you, 00:08:42.580 --> 00:08:46.720 you or your listeners, go and practice holster 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:49.120 presentation and self -defense with a firearm 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:52.789 in a full winter jacket with gloves on? i i asked 00:08:52.789 --> 00:08:54.450 that question of my concealed carry holders on 00:08:54.450 --> 00:08:56.929 a regular basis and the answer is almost none 00:08:56.929 --> 00:08:59.629 and this is a class every every christmas that's 00:08:59.629 --> 00:09:02.230 my present i offer a day where i'm open and i 00:09:02.230 --> 00:09:04.769 just let people come in and practice you know 00:09:04.769 --> 00:09:06.269 let's let's try that let's see what that really 00:09:06.269 --> 00:09:08.610 looks like because you this is a lethal tool 00:09:08.610 --> 00:09:10.509 that you carry strapped to your backside in a 00:09:10.509 --> 00:09:12.250 public place that with the click of a trigger 00:09:12.250 --> 00:09:15.210 uh takes is a life and death thing and that that 00:09:15.210 --> 00:09:19.090 is a very very serious commitment i think that 00:09:19.090 --> 00:09:22.659 uh and to your your point craig I am not saying 00:09:22.659 --> 00:09:25.679 people shouldn't carry. That may have come out 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:28.000 quite wrong. What I'm saying is people should 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:31.039 want to train. People should want to be able 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:33.820 to, as I say, master that tool for all the right 00:09:33.820 --> 00:09:36.679 reasons. I mean, it is a serious consideration. 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:41.159 And so the level of training that I have, the 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:44.419 level of training that I provide is all about 00:09:44.419 --> 00:09:47.700 repetitive practice. Right. So how do you think 00:09:47.700 --> 00:09:51.789 that you were? Obviously, you're using simunitions, 00:09:51.830 --> 00:09:54.370 which is, I think, a big benefit. And a lot of 00:09:54.370 --> 00:09:57.149 people, I don't think, maybe not understand the 00:09:57.149 --> 00:10:01.710 value of that because simunitions hurt. And that's 00:10:01.710 --> 00:10:04.769 a good thing because when you, you know, it's 00:10:04.769 --> 00:10:08.250 just going to produce a welt a lot like a paintball 00:10:08.250 --> 00:10:11.190 gun would. But at the same time, you get immediate 00:10:11.190 --> 00:10:14.529 feedback and you get that increase in stress 00:10:14.529 --> 00:10:18.340 level because you're hurt. And then your responses 00:10:18.340 --> 00:10:21.480 to that matter. And I think that a lot of people 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:24.360 who are not going to be able to get to a facility 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:26.639 like yours where you have simunitions, and they're 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:29.720 forced just to go to the more traditional trainers 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:32.379 that, you know, operate at a square range and 00:10:32.379 --> 00:10:35.360 operate with an RSO, I'm sorry, range safety 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:37.320 officer, if you don't know what I meant by that, 00:10:37.460 --> 00:10:41.620 under very prescriptive, you know, draw to presentation, 00:10:42.139 --> 00:10:46.059 you know, shoot three rounds, reholster. They're 00:10:46.059 --> 00:10:48.340 not going to get that kind of feedback. So what 00:10:48.340 --> 00:10:52.419 do people like that do if they don't have a comprehensive 00:10:52.419 --> 00:10:54.840 facility like yours? I mean, I guess it could 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:57.559 be martial arts, could be jujitsu. A lot of people 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:02.080 are not either in shape or predisposed to commit 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:05.360 either their time, their money, or just themselves 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:08.519 to that level of actual violence. Are those the 00:11:08.519 --> 00:11:10.360 biggest problems that you think students will 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:14.200 actually face in being effective? Let's say, 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:16.759 you know. I hate to be pejorative, but in the 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:18.860 street, like what will get you killed in the 00:11:18.860 --> 00:11:22.139 street? I think that since you're doing it from 00:11:22.139 --> 00:11:26.259 a data perspective, you already are baked into 00:11:26.259 --> 00:11:30.039 the right answer on this. But I don't think that 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:33.779 most people are going to look for crutches. Let's 00:11:33.779 --> 00:11:35.960 say, for example, they're going to put a red 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:38.539 dot on their new pistol, thinking that the red 00:11:38.539 --> 00:11:41.139 dot is going to be the panacea. It's going to 00:11:41.139 --> 00:11:44.320 be. the thing that's going to be the differentiator 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:46.980 and cause them to win the day but it's more complex 00:11:46.980 --> 00:11:49.879 than that isn't it oh my word yeah yeah in fact 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:52.399 that's uh uh people ask me that all the time 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:53.960 they're always asking about you know optics is 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:56.139 just to take that as as an example and although 00:11:56.139 --> 00:11:59.299 i don't disagree with optics um at my age all 00:11:59.299 --> 00:12:01.620 my rifles of course have optics i don't put optics 00:12:01.620 --> 00:12:06.240 on my handgun um back thank you before thank 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:08.419 you greg greg we had this discussion last week 00:12:08.419 --> 00:12:11.399 where i'm i'm like i grew up with iron sights 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:14.259 or even fiber optic on there it's fine but red 00:12:14.259 --> 00:12:17.120 dot on top of a pistol uh i'm not there yet myself 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:19.500 but go ahead greg i'm sorry no but tell me why 00:12:19.500 --> 00:12:22.019 what's your what's your base reasoning uh first 00:12:22.019 --> 00:12:23.580 of all i think it's gonna it's gonna snag on 00:12:23.580 --> 00:12:25.539 something i look at this thing i have three quarters 00:12:25.539 --> 00:12:27.639 of an inch tall it's gonna snag on something 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:30.139 i probably have holsters that don't fit these 00:12:30.139 --> 00:12:32.740 things anyway i'd probably need to buy new holsters 00:12:32.740 --> 00:12:34.610 which i'm not Don't want to spend more money. 00:12:34.669 --> 00:12:37.210 This is frugal firearms here. But to me, it's 00:12:37.210 --> 00:12:39.549 point and shoot. I mean, I wouldn't say, particularly 00:12:39.549 --> 00:12:42.029 under 21 feet, it's not going to do anything 00:12:42.029 --> 00:12:46.029 for me at all. Zip. Nothing. A light on the bottom, 00:12:46.070 --> 00:12:48.490 I understand. For illumination, okay, I get that. 00:12:49.009 --> 00:12:52.210 But I don't know. I just can't quite get my eyes 00:12:52.210 --> 00:12:55.970 around, literally, putting a red dot on a slide. 00:12:57.199 --> 00:13:00.279 I think you nailed it. There's a part about this. 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:03.700 And again, everything I do is really rather cerebral. 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:08.440 Looking at the reason that I don't prefer optics 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:12.120 on my handgun is, you said, point and click. 00:13:13.299 --> 00:13:15.259 It has to do with how the human brain works, 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:17.159 right? It's the same reason I don't recommend 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:20.379 you shoot at targets with bullseyes. If you have 00:13:20.379 --> 00:13:24.440 a red dot and you are training for self -defense, 00:13:24.580 --> 00:13:27.629 that's a big difference. between self -defense 00:13:27.629 --> 00:13:29.950 training and marksmanship training and I don't 00:13:29.950 --> 00:13:31.269 want to get those two confused and I don't want 00:13:31.269 --> 00:13:33.450 to take anything away from from competitors and 00:13:33.450 --> 00:13:35.429 marksmanship shooting but they do have to be 00:13:35.429 --> 00:13:38.710 segregated and if you have a red dot in training 00:13:38.710 --> 00:13:42.850 and every time you present you your brain is 00:13:42.850 --> 00:13:44.990 going to go where's my red dot and it's going 00:13:44.990 --> 00:13:49.899 to adjust for perfect correction and the problem 00:13:49.899 --> 00:13:52.200 that creates in a life and death situation when 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:55.039 you present your brain will start to seek that 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:59.539 red dot and you could lose literally a life savings 00:13:59.539 --> 00:14:02.000 half of a second to a quarter of a second so 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:03.940 i tell people if you have optics i love them 00:14:03.940 --> 00:14:05.799 turn them off when you train you know use them 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:08.720 do 100 repetitions you know presenting with the 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:10.840 red dot on and then turn it off because you do 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:14.070 to survive self -defense you have to be able 00:14:14.070 --> 00:14:16.929 to use absolute flash sight picture natural point 00:14:16.929 --> 00:14:19.669 in kinesthetic aiming so you have to train your 00:14:19.669 --> 00:14:23.629 body to present that firearm absolutely the same 00:14:23.629 --> 00:14:27.450 absolutely flat every single time that's actually 00:14:27.450 --> 00:14:30.289 yeah that that mirror is right on top of it i 00:14:30.289 --> 00:14:33.009 was talking about the body mechanics of it before 00:14:33.009 --> 00:14:36.490 i actually referenced uh the videos that were 00:14:36.490 --> 00:14:40.139 posted uh online where the person demonstrating 00:14:40.139 --> 00:14:42.980 had no sights on his gun it was hitting eight 00:14:42.980 --> 00:14:46.019 inch plates at like 50 yards with no sights whatsoever 00:14:46.019 --> 00:14:49.220 just because he has a disciplined you know body 00:14:49.220 --> 00:14:53.519 mechanic uh approach to repetition and is able 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:58.279 to do this reliably on call every time the reason 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:01.559 i think and this isn't to be It isn't to disagree. 00:15:01.860 --> 00:15:04.320 And as you said, the statistics are that the 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:06.039 person is going to be on top of you in no time 00:15:06.039 --> 00:15:09.179 at all, where sites wouldn't matter any longer 00:15:09.179 --> 00:15:13.440 whatsoever, is that I don't, I'm not a strong 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:16.620 believer in front site focus. And the reason 00:15:16.620 --> 00:15:20.799 is that I think that an untrained person, particularly, 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:24.100 and even a trained person to a degree, when faced 00:15:24.100 --> 00:15:27.100 with true stress is going to focus on the threat 00:15:27.100 --> 00:15:30.919 and not on the front site. And it's very hard 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:34.519 to get yourself to change your focal plane away 00:15:34.519 --> 00:15:37.159 from the thing that is trying to kill you and, 00:15:37.220 --> 00:15:39.580 by the way, is moving. It's actually impossible. 00:15:40.220 --> 00:15:43.539 Okay. There you are. And that's why I think that 00:15:43.539 --> 00:15:46.940 getting the aiming device, whatever the aiming 00:15:46.940 --> 00:15:50.759 device is, literally in focus on the same focal 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:54.580 plane as the threat makes sense. You know, my 00:15:54.580 --> 00:15:57.100 aiming, I also, I mean, think about this realistically. 00:15:57.279 --> 00:16:00.549 Craig, how old are you? I outdate you slightly. 00:16:00.730 --> 00:16:04.190 I'm 61. Okay. You wear glasses? I do not, sir. 00:16:04.370 --> 00:16:07.029 I hate you just a little bit right now. By the 00:16:07.029 --> 00:16:09.850 way, yeah, and my right eye vision and right 00:16:09.850 --> 00:16:12.870 eye dominant is 2015. All right. Well, most of 00:16:12.870 --> 00:16:18.879 us at 60 have myopia. Go to the range someday. 00:16:18.980 --> 00:16:20.539 Watch people. What do they do? Do they have special 00:16:20.539 --> 00:16:23.480 glasses or goggles made? Do they wear last year's 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:25.080 prescription? Because what they're trying to 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:27.919 do is get that focus on your front sight. Because 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:30.700 for some reason, they're ego -driven to make 00:16:30.700 --> 00:16:33.019 sure that they're dropping five rounds into a 00:16:33.019 --> 00:16:35.820 one -inch hole at 25 feet to impress a bunch 00:16:35.820 --> 00:16:38.200 of people they don't know. But what's reality? 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:40.519 Reality at 3 o 'clock in the morning and somebody's 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:41.940 kicking your door and you don't have any glasses. 00:16:42.539 --> 00:16:45.539 right how can you shoot i mean have you trained 00:16:45.539 --> 00:16:48.779 to shoot without your glasses without your optics 00:16:48.779 --> 00:16:51.019 without you know so and this is what we talk 00:16:51.019 --> 00:16:54.279 about a lot because i'm the same way i um i can 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:57.299 do four inch patterns at 25 feet uh and i can't 00:16:57.299 --> 00:16:59.120 see my sights they're nothing but a blur when 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:01.080 i take my glasses off okay but you know what 00:17:01.080 --> 00:17:05.119 my aiming device is my left thumb that's part 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:07.220 of what we call natural point aiming if you look 00:17:07.220 --> 00:17:10.960 at um the grip there's a new grip that's very 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:13.339 popular it comes out of army ranger school but 00:17:13.339 --> 00:17:16.299 it has to do with your support hand thumb being 00:17:16.299 --> 00:17:19.259 way forward on the slide right and that's because 00:17:19.259 --> 00:17:22.079 what we're doing is we're canting our thumb forward 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:25.240 if that's your grip and every time you slow down 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:27.579 and here this is for your listeners right the 00:17:27.579 --> 00:17:30.079 number one thing the number one training tip 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:32.599 i will give you if you when you go to live fire 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:37.539 is slow down shoot less rounds Right. Because 00:17:37.539 --> 00:17:40.039 people go in and they have 250 rounds and they're 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:41.420 going to go bang, bang, bang until they're gone. 00:17:41.779 --> 00:17:44.680 Make every round count. Make every round a training 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:47.480 tool. So if you stop for a second and you present 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:50.740 from from Sewell or high compressed and you think 00:17:50.740 --> 00:17:52.980 about that target. And the first thing I do when 00:17:52.980 --> 00:17:56.460 I punch out is I roll my left thumb because I'm 00:17:56.460 --> 00:17:58.839 right handed, throw my left thumb right at center 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:02.119 mass. I will hit center mass at 25 feet every 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:04.910 single time. Right. And down to where I do demos 00:18:04.910 --> 00:18:07.529 for security officers here, armed security that 00:18:07.529 --> 00:18:10.529 I teach. And with no glasses, no nothing on it. 00:18:10.569 --> 00:18:13.190 I have a simulator at about 20 feet. I can just 00:18:13.190 --> 00:18:15.369 sit there and run, you know, two, three inch 00:18:15.369 --> 00:18:17.950 patterns, just multiple targets. And I can't 00:18:17.950 --> 00:18:20.289 see my sights at all. Right. That's the power 00:18:20.289 --> 00:18:23.109 of repetition training. And we have if we have 00:18:23.109 --> 00:18:25.109 time today, I'm happy to talk more about ways 00:18:25.109 --> 00:18:27.430 that your listeners can do this type of training 00:18:27.430 --> 00:18:30.650 at almost no cost to them. Do this in the comfort 00:18:30.650 --> 00:18:34.210 of your own home. to develop those types of skills, 00:18:34.349 --> 00:18:36.450 which are the very necessary skills that you 00:18:36.450 --> 00:18:39.349 need for real world self -defense. I think actually 00:18:39.349 --> 00:18:41.230 that's the sort of topic we'd want to jump right 00:18:41.230 --> 00:18:45.130 into now, if it makes sense, because, you know, 00:18:45.170 --> 00:18:47.890 Frugal Firearms podcast is all about saving money. 00:18:48.130 --> 00:18:51.089 And I'm trying to make the case that, you know, 00:18:51.089 --> 00:18:54.670 paying for training is worth it. And Greg, you 00:18:54.670 --> 00:18:56.509 don't know the background between Ken and I. 00:18:56.549 --> 00:18:59.190 Ken and I have, even though we've been friends 00:18:59.190 --> 00:19:02.700 for nigh on five decades, we have slightly different 00:19:02.700 --> 00:19:07.119 perspectives on value yeah i'm cheap and craig 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:11.420 is frugal yes and i just believe in value for 00:19:11.420 --> 00:19:13.220 your money that's my thing i want the best value 00:19:13.220 --> 00:19:16.359 right and and anything that you can do to help 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:18.980 our students understand our students they're 00:19:18.980 --> 00:19:21.640 not our students what i say that for our listeners 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:24.940 you know we're all we're on parody here there's 00:19:24.940 --> 00:19:27.970 there's not a hierarchy to understand what the 00:19:27.970 --> 00:19:30.849 value proposition of of training is because i 00:19:30.849 --> 00:19:33.769 think here's my here's my supposition if i go 00:19:33.769 --> 00:19:37.769 train myself and i only get so far but i can 00:19:37.769 --> 00:19:41.970 measurably increase my performance and i can 00:19:41.970 --> 00:19:45.710 subjectively increase my level of enjoyment then 00:19:45.710 --> 00:19:48.450 i'm going to be more interested in paying for 00:19:48.450 --> 00:19:51.589 training later and i have noticed because i've 00:19:51.589 --> 00:19:53.630 you're not the only professional trainer i've 00:19:53.630 --> 00:19:56.700 met that in the training community, a lot of 00:19:56.700 --> 00:19:58.740 this is actually exposure through the Ballistic 00:19:58.740 --> 00:20:01.559 Radio podcast where it's trainers talking to 00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:04.920 trainers largely, that training is kind of an 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:07.099 addiction, if you will. The more training you 00:20:07.099 --> 00:20:09.819 get, the more you want, which is a bit counterintuitive 00:20:09.819 --> 00:20:12.880 because you might think, well, I paid for training. 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:15.799 I got my eight hours in or I got my four hours 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:18.299 in or whatever the state required. I'm good to 00:20:18.299 --> 00:20:20.839 go. But I think that people that go above that 00:20:20.839 --> 00:20:24.490 minimum and start taking training classes. crave 00:20:24.490 --> 00:20:28.609 that from a variety of instructors and for example 00:20:28.609 --> 00:20:31.250 next year i'm going to taccon well taccon is 00:20:31.250 --> 00:20:34.369 a collection of probably 30 different trainers 00:20:34.369 --> 00:20:37.750 in three days and you get exposure to all of 00:20:37.750 --> 00:20:40.809 them and i've heard that there's almost no training 00:20:40.809 --> 00:20:43.390 experience better than that because of the variety 00:20:43.390 --> 00:20:45.549 of opinions and then you get to distill out the 00:20:45.549 --> 00:20:47.789 best that works for you so yeah if you want to 00:20:47.789 --> 00:20:49.750 go to that topic right now just to get people 00:20:50.220 --> 00:20:52.940 sort of invigorated about training on their own 00:20:52.940 --> 00:20:55.779 and then maybe that translates into their life 00:20:55.779 --> 00:20:58.940 of you know hey now i know what i don't know 00:20:58.940 --> 00:21:02.440 now i'm learning something where my deficiencies 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:06.000 are and where i could be better because i just 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:09.079 realized i'm not that good thank you for that 00:21:09.079 --> 00:21:12.440 um no that's i think they're absolutely the the 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:15.630 more that you learn then the more you'll hold 00:21:15.630 --> 00:21:17.990 your instructor accountable, right? Because what 00:21:17.990 --> 00:21:20.089 you said is interesting because there's a flip 00:21:20.089 --> 00:21:21.950 side to that conversation, right? The flip side 00:21:21.950 --> 00:21:23.410 is a lot of people say, don't trainer bounce. 00:21:23.849 --> 00:21:26.210 If you keep just going from trainer to trainer 00:21:26.210 --> 00:21:29.089 to trainer, you're going to wind up in a world 00:21:29.089 --> 00:21:31.049 of controversy, right? What they say is pick 00:21:31.049 --> 00:21:34.029 one trainer and glean from them everything that 00:21:34.029 --> 00:21:37.420 you can. That being said, as you learn more, 00:21:37.460 --> 00:21:39.839 as you become more proficient, you will very, 00:21:39.900 --> 00:21:42.500 very quickly be able to distill out of a trainer 00:21:42.500 --> 00:21:45.779 what is of benefit to you and what is not. But 00:21:45.779 --> 00:21:48.839 one of the things about training is you go to 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:51.579 a four hour seminar and you're exposed to a lot 00:21:51.579 --> 00:21:54.460 of stuff and then it's gone. You know, if you 00:21:54.460 --> 00:21:57.160 don't. practice it so the world the word is called 00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:00.500 myelination right myelination very few people 00:22:00.500 --> 00:22:03.359 have heard of the word um but it everybody knows 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:05.779 what it is it's muscle memory right it's the 00:22:05.779 --> 00:22:08.180 science of muscle memory and i'm i could get 00:22:08.180 --> 00:22:10.420 into a half an hour dissertation about you know 00:22:10.420 --> 00:22:13.279 the the the chemistry behind it but and i'll 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:15.390 spare you that But I will tell you, the science 00:22:15.390 --> 00:22:17.589 states that for in the martial arts world, we 00:22:17.589 --> 00:22:19.930 used to call this the rule of 2000s. We said 00:22:19.930 --> 00:22:22.029 that one single technique had to be done like 00:22:22.029 --> 00:22:26.230 2000 times before it would start to become muscle 00:22:26.230 --> 00:22:28.369 memory or your ability to move without thinking, 00:22:28.450 --> 00:22:30.289 which, by the way, those are the only skills 00:22:30.289 --> 00:22:32.930 that are available to you when your heart rate 00:22:32.930 --> 00:22:37.150 is 150 plus and you are in the in the throes 00:22:37.150 --> 00:22:40.049 of self -defense. You can't think, you can't 00:22:40.049 --> 00:22:43.369 remember, you can't calculate. Gee, today I'm 00:22:43.369 --> 00:22:45.390 carrying my gun at the five o 'clock, but yesterday 00:22:45.390 --> 00:22:48.430 I was carrying it in a shoulder rig, right? That's 00:22:48.430 --> 00:22:49.869 when you go into what's called blackout freeze. 00:22:50.009 --> 00:22:51.670 You just, you stand there and you don't know 00:22:51.670 --> 00:22:54.930 what to do. So, and you can, you know, listeners 00:22:54.930 --> 00:22:58.670 can Google that. And we teach every class I teach, 00:22:58.769 --> 00:23:00.549 every single class I teach. And we teach a ton 00:23:00.549 --> 00:23:02.250 of them here. Starts with a conversation about 00:23:02.250 --> 00:23:05.349 myelination and that importance of repetitive 00:23:05.349 --> 00:23:08.420 training. so you go to your training you find 00:23:08.420 --> 00:23:11.180 an instructor you get a four -hour seminar you 00:23:11.180 --> 00:23:13.799 learn a bunch of tools how do you reinforce those 00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:17.059 tools right the real science is one single technique 00:23:17.059 --> 00:23:20.779 takes 20 minutes a day for 12 straight weeks 00:23:20.779 --> 00:23:24.660 before i will start to myelinate a neural pathway 00:23:24.660 --> 00:23:28.200 so that means we'll simplify that let's just 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:31.000 say that happens to be 2 000 repetitions how 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:34.180 do you do that at the price of ammo today You 00:23:34.180 --> 00:23:36.400 can't afford to do that, right? So people don't. 00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:38.880 They convince themselves they know enough. So 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:41.700 the interesting thing about myelination is you 00:23:41.700 --> 00:23:43.920 don't have to physically do it. If you've done 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:46.160 it, right? Like I usually give a demonstration 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:49.259 of my holster draw, right? I step way to the 00:23:49.259 --> 00:23:51.940 right, right? And I don't teach what, I teach 00:23:51.940 --> 00:23:55.000 why in my classes. So instead of saying things 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:58.299 like get off the X, which is not a why, I explain. 00:23:58.779 --> 00:24:01.059 Why we take that huge step. We step more than 00:24:01.059 --> 00:24:03.660 one body width. We're giving the attacker an 00:24:03.660 --> 00:24:05.400 OODA loop. We're getting our half second back, 00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:07.640 right? But then what can you do? You go to an 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:10.039 indoor gun range. How far can you step to the 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:15.380 right? Oh, about six inches. Go ahead. Greg, 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:18.359 just to, not to cut you off there, but for people 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:21.390 who, I know what the OODA loop is. A lot of people 00:24:21.390 --> 00:24:23.069 don't. Could you just give a quick definition 00:24:23.069 --> 00:24:25.069 of that, please? Oh, apologies. I didn't even 00:24:25.069 --> 00:24:27.849 know I said it. You said it twice. Did I really? 00:24:27.950 --> 00:24:29.829 Wow. Yeah, you got to call me on that stuff. 00:24:29.990 --> 00:24:32.650 So OODA loop. This is a Colonel Boyd Air Force 00:24:32.650 --> 00:24:35.569 pilot figured this out many years ago. It's kind 00:24:35.569 --> 00:24:37.630 of an industry standard. It's fairly simple. 00:24:38.750 --> 00:24:43.170 Observe, orient, decide, and act. This is a constant 00:24:43.170 --> 00:24:46.829 reinforcing loop that is being processed as we 00:24:46.829 --> 00:24:49.670 go about our business. Not weird, not crazy, 00:24:49.769 --> 00:24:53.029 right? And it goes right hand in hand with myelination. 00:24:53.269 --> 00:24:55.849 So the example I usually give in class very quickly 00:24:55.849 --> 00:24:57.890 is you're driving down the road and you hear 00:24:57.890 --> 00:24:59.809 a noise. You don't know what that noise is. You 00:24:59.809 --> 00:25:01.970 have to observe it. So there's your first letter. 00:25:02.089 --> 00:25:03.490 That's your observe. So you look at it and you 00:25:03.490 --> 00:25:05.569 go, holy, somebody's about to T -bone my car, 00:25:05.690 --> 00:25:08.650 right? Orient yourself. What the heck can I do 00:25:08.650 --> 00:25:10.430 about it? I could slam on the brakes. I could 00:25:10.430 --> 00:25:12.369 slur to the right. I could slump on the accelerator. 00:25:13.049 --> 00:25:15.869 Pick one. That's your decide, right? And then 00:25:15.869 --> 00:25:17.799 you have to do it. Well, the first three steps 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:19.880 of that take on a very young and healthy and 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:22.299 very well -trained mind, at least a half a second. 00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:24.480 And when we're talking about life and death training, 00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:26.980 everything happens in these half second increments, 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:29.259 right? Now, as I said, it's a loop. It's an OODA 00:25:29.259 --> 00:25:31.279 loop. So it's constantly updating at the point 00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:33.079 where you're orienting yourself. What could I 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:36.359 do about this? You realize that you're not in 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:38.180 danger. The guy hit dry pavement. He's stopping. 00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:40.180 He's not even on the same plane as you, whatever. 00:25:40.299 --> 00:25:42.339 You're absolutely fine. And you don't need to 00:25:42.339 --> 00:25:44.720 do anything else. And at that moment in time, 00:25:44.740 --> 00:25:47.539 though, where's your foot? it's on the break 00:25:47.539 --> 00:25:51.480 and at no point in time was there any conscious 00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:54.579 thought that says self I need to pick up my foot 00:25:54.579 --> 00:25:57.039 and put it on the break right that is a myelinated 00:25:57.039 --> 00:26:00.140 pathway it and it is myelinated because it is 00:26:00.140 --> 00:26:02.759 supported every single time we get into vehicle 00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:05.640 and drive and our firearms training needs to 00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:09.079 be the same way so people ask me how how much 00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:11.980 do I train I can't answer that because training 00:26:11.980 --> 00:26:16.349 is a lifestyle it's not an event I train all 00:26:16.349 --> 00:26:20.089 day, every day, right? Because the thing about 00:26:20.089 --> 00:26:21.930 myelination, if you've done it a couple of times, 00:26:22.029 --> 00:26:24.329 and then all of a sudden you find yourself at 00:26:24.329 --> 00:26:26.150 the gun range, and I cannot make that big step 00:26:26.150 --> 00:26:29.009 to the right. If you visualize yourself doing 00:26:29.009 --> 00:26:31.309 it, if you can think about yourself doing it, 00:26:31.369 --> 00:26:33.970 you're still firing the same neural pathway. 00:26:34.589 --> 00:26:36.849 So I tell people, when you go to the gun range, 00:26:36.970 --> 00:26:39.789 number one, slow down. Number two, when you're 00:26:39.789 --> 00:26:41.210 standing there with your fireman, you're looking 00:26:41.210 --> 00:26:43.690 at your target, and all you can do is step six 00:26:43.690 --> 00:26:47.519 inches to the right. project the mental image 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:50.339 of yourself stepping three feet to the right 00:26:50.339 --> 00:26:52.500 and you're still firing the same neural pathways. 00:26:52.660 --> 00:26:55.000 And what that means is because what you will 00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:58.960 do in a crisis situation is what you do most 00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:00.859 often. And if all you step is six inches at the 00:27:00.859 --> 00:27:03.240 gun range, God forbid the time you ever have 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:04.880 to use your firearm in self -defense, that's 00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:09.099 what you'll do. So Greg, if I might ask a question. 00:27:09.899 --> 00:27:11.920 Yeah, I've got friends who are in law enforcement, 00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:14.099 you know, U .S. Secret Service and probation 00:27:14.099 --> 00:27:16.279 officers and so forth like that. They've always 00:27:16.279 --> 00:27:19.720 said that, you know, training is a perishable 00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:25.299 ill. So some of the things that I'd like to hear 00:27:25.299 --> 00:27:27.720 from you is some of the things you could suggest 00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:30.380 that a person could do at home on low cost to 00:27:30.380 --> 00:27:33.160 be able to, after perhaps they've taken your 00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:35.819 training or if there's whatever training they've 00:27:35.819 --> 00:27:37.799 been able to do, what can they practice at home 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:41.309 inexpensively? It's a great question. There are 00:27:41.309 --> 00:27:44.490 a few things you can do. My favorite, which I 00:27:44.490 --> 00:27:46.930 think everybody should, you know, when I teach 00:27:46.930 --> 00:27:50.609 class, I tell people, if you buy one thing, one 00:27:50.609 --> 00:27:54.869 thing for your firearm, it needs to be a laser 00:27:54.869 --> 00:27:57.829 bullet. And laser bullets are cool, right? I 00:27:57.829 --> 00:28:00.089 mean, when your gun goes click, that means it 00:28:00.089 --> 00:28:02.329 did its job, right? The click means the firing 00:28:02.329 --> 00:28:05.230 pin, you know, went forward, the striker went 00:28:05.230 --> 00:28:08.150 forward, the hammer fell. But instead of a primer, 00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:10.640 uh these things have a little switch on them 00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:12.480 and they put a laser dot right down the bore 00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:14.900 site so they give you visual feedback so that's 00:28:14.900 --> 00:28:18.460 cool uh what's cooler than that is the free software 00:28:18.460 --> 00:28:20.319 you can download for your cell phone there's 00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:22.619 half a dozen of them i use one called laser hit 00:28:22.619 --> 00:28:25.279 uh you can point your camera at the target on 00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:27.660 the wall and every time it sees the red dot on 00:28:27.660 --> 00:28:30.779 target your camera goes bang and it will in fact 00:28:30.779 --> 00:28:34.000 uh show you you know where where you hit So that's 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:36.059 also cool. And we'll talk in a minute about an 00:28:36.059 --> 00:28:40.119 entire process of how you use that for serious 00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:42.660 myelination training. But I want to talk for 00:28:42.660 --> 00:28:45.640 a moment about why that one is so important. 00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:49.559 And this might get a little technical. Your listeners 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:51.680 may have to do a little bit of Google. But if 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:53.799 you look at a regular cartridge, a regular cartridge 00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:56.859 that goes into a firearm. it has what's called 00:28:56.859 --> 00:28:58.880 a head stamp and that head stamp in it and we're 00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:01.119 talking about a semi -automatic pistol it has 00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:03.140 that little groove around the back right that 00:29:03.140 --> 00:29:05.359 groove is what the extractor gets a hold of to 00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:08.680 pull the cartridge into the ejector etc etc a 00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:10.900 laser bullet doesn't have that right which means 00:29:10.900 --> 00:29:13.559 once the laser bullet is stuffed in your barrel 00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:17.319 it can't come out it is it is always in there 00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:20.589 so you can rack that gun all day long And that 00:29:20.589 --> 00:29:22.430 will not come out of your barrel. You have to 00:29:22.430 --> 00:29:24.190 remove it by inverting the firearm and using 00:29:24.190 --> 00:29:27.509 a very sophisticated removal tool called a chopstick. 00:29:27.849 --> 00:29:30.069 You just pop it out and then it falls out and 00:29:30.069 --> 00:29:31.990 your gun's right back to normal. The reason this 00:29:31.990 --> 00:29:35.009 is so important is just like firearm safety rules, 00:29:35.210 --> 00:29:38.609 we stack safety upon safety. This thing is a 00:29:38.609 --> 00:29:41.809 muzzle plug. Even if you were right then when 00:29:41.809 --> 00:29:45.130 training in dry fire. pick up a fully loaded 00:29:45.130 --> 00:29:47.109 live magazine shove it into your gun and rack 00:29:47.109 --> 00:29:49.309 that slide it's just going to jam the gun right 00:29:49.309 --> 00:29:52.690 nothing can go into the breach because it's plugged 00:29:52.690 --> 00:29:54.210 there's something there that can't come out until 00:29:54.210 --> 00:29:57.130 you take it out so it is your number one safety 00:29:57.130 --> 00:30:00.589 tool now let's talk about the two different types 00:30:00.589 --> 00:30:03.150 right there's two different types of laser cartridges 00:30:03.150 --> 00:30:07.230 out there the good ones and the not so good ones 00:30:07.710 --> 00:30:12.250 The ones that are $49 or $59 are made like $49 00:30:12.250 --> 00:30:15.609 or $59, which means the switch in the back is 00:30:15.609 --> 00:30:17.750 part of the power circuit. And I don't recommend 00:30:17.750 --> 00:30:20.089 them. You'll be disappointed. They get dented 00:30:20.089 --> 00:30:23.210 as the striker hits them and they get dimmer 00:30:23.210 --> 00:30:25.289 and dimmer and the software won't pick them up 00:30:25.289 --> 00:30:28.170 and you have to replace that. If you spend a 00:30:28.170 --> 00:30:31.130 little more money. And the one I love is made 00:30:31.130 --> 00:30:34.769 by Laser Ammo, Laser Dash Ammo. We sell them 00:30:34.769 --> 00:30:38.210 here. They're $99. But that switch is a little 00:30:38.210 --> 00:30:40.769 signal that goes to a microprocessor that puts 00:30:40.769 --> 00:30:44.710 out a fixed length laser pulse that your software 00:30:44.710 --> 00:30:47.329 will always pick up. So this is going back to 00:30:47.329 --> 00:30:48.769 what we were talking about, the difference between 00:30:48.769 --> 00:30:51.990 cheap and value, right? You're going to get a 00:30:51.990 --> 00:30:54.710 lot more value out of the $99 model than you 00:30:54.710 --> 00:30:59.319 will out of the $59 model, right? so I can't 00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:03.319 even stress how important this thing is so a 00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:06.619 real quick description of how how we used it 00:31:06.619 --> 00:31:08.599 right because one of the things I stress so much 00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:12.279 in training is finger control right your number 00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:14.700 that your your index finger your your trigger 00:31:14.700 --> 00:31:18.059 finger is the number one safety tool because 00:31:18.059 --> 00:31:21.740 mechanical safeties fail right so you have to 00:31:21.740 --> 00:31:24.680 myelinate that you have to have that so ingrained 00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:27.079 in muscle memory that that finger never curls 00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:30.910 it Until you get to that point, you will not 00:31:30.910 --> 00:31:33.150 have confidence over your firearm. And when you 00:31:33.150 --> 00:31:35.009 don't have confidence over your firearm, you 00:31:35.009 --> 00:31:37.910 become timid. That creates all sorts of problems, 00:31:38.049 --> 00:31:40.490 right? As I say in class, I hold up my firearm. 00:31:40.569 --> 00:31:45.069 I said, you have to own this gun. And so when 00:31:45.069 --> 00:31:48.130 my wife wanted to do this with me, she had a 00:31:48.130 --> 00:31:50.670 friend that also wanted to learn to shoot responsibly. 00:31:50.730 --> 00:31:52.509 So I said, sure, invite him over and we're going 00:31:52.509 --> 00:31:55.369 to play darts with our handguns in the living 00:31:55.369 --> 00:31:58.180 room in the middle of town. That didn't sound 00:31:58.180 --> 00:32:00.259 very safe, but it was extremely safe, primarily 00:32:00.259 --> 00:32:02.259 because we took our dartboard and hung it on 00:32:02.259 --> 00:32:04.140 the north wall of my house. That is a safe wall. 00:32:04.460 --> 00:32:08.460 Safe wall is any barrier that will stop a maximum 00:32:08.460 --> 00:32:11.220 caliber round that your training weapon could 00:32:11.220 --> 00:32:14.420 potentially project. In my case, the north wall 00:32:14.420 --> 00:32:16.380 of my house backs up against the freeway, so 00:32:16.380 --> 00:32:18.339 I have a concrete wall all down the north side 00:32:18.339 --> 00:32:21.119 of my house. Hang the dartboard on there, and 00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:23.380 there's three of us in the room. Okay, so kind 00:32:23.380 --> 00:32:26.140 of wrap your head around this visual image. My 00:32:26.140 --> 00:32:28.680 wife is the shooter. Her friend is a scorekeeper. 00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.039 He's looking at the camera and on the chalkboard 00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:34.619 and he's keeping score. I am the most important 00:32:34.619 --> 00:32:37.240 person in the room in that iteration. I'm the 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.400 range safety officer and I have one job and that's 00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:43.099 to stand there and watch my wife and say things 00:32:43.099 --> 00:32:45.900 like, hey, get your finger off the trigger. Don't 00:32:45.900 --> 00:32:47.579 bend over on the line. Oh, keep your muzzle down 00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:50.039 range, right? All the basic safety stuff. So 00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:52.700 you can imagine getting together. And you can 00:32:52.700 --> 00:32:54.200 play all sorts of games. There's Battleship. 00:32:54.220 --> 00:32:56.000 There's a ton of fun you can have doing this, 00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:58.000 right? Three months getting together on Friday 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:00.920 nights, we're talking thousands of trigger presses. 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:04.519 Never once being allowed to do it wrong and it 00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.160 not costing you a dime past the initial investment. 00:33:07.779 --> 00:33:11.779 Now, can I jump in on the... You've made the 00:33:11.779 --> 00:33:15.799 critical and important point about myelination 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:20.539 of a habit. But at the same time, dry fire is... 00:33:21.150 --> 00:33:24.109 inherently not what a gun does. In other words, 00:33:24.130 --> 00:33:26.549 not that it doesn't cycle, I don't mean that, 00:33:26.690 --> 00:33:30.529 but that your shoot the round, rack the slide, 00:33:30.730 --> 00:33:32.890 shoot the round, rack the slide, shoot the round, 00:33:32.930 --> 00:33:36.369 rack the slide. I have not been able to find 00:33:36.369 --> 00:33:39.849 any statistics, positive or negative, that says 00:33:39.849 --> 00:33:43.430 that a person, I mean, dry fire is often seen 00:33:43.430 --> 00:33:48.769 as the best alternative to actual shooting. But 00:33:48.769 --> 00:33:51.339 the problem that I see with it, theoretically 00:33:51.339 --> 00:33:55.880 this is untested is that a person under stress 00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:59.640 is going to think at least momentarily about 00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:01.799 racking their gun because that's what they've 00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:05.039 done thousands of times in practice is that is 00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.700 does that in fact ever actually happen in the 00:34:07.700 --> 00:34:11.760 real world well it certainly could um and that's 00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:16.039 but that's just an issue of thinking that exactly 00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:17.760 what you just thought of in advance because when 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:20.260 we do it you don't point in pull the trigger 00:34:20.260 --> 00:34:22.960 rack the slide you point in pull the trigger 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:26.280 return to holster back through you know the reverse 00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:28.619 holster draw keeping your eye on the target keeping 00:34:28.619 --> 00:34:31.099 your muzzle flat rotate go into your holster 00:34:31.099 --> 00:34:33.300 once it's in your holster hands come off go back 00:34:33.300 --> 00:34:37.130 reset your trigger then right because you don't 00:34:37.130 --> 00:34:40.349 want to make it part of a instantaneous automatic 00:34:40.349 --> 00:34:43.909 process right it's it's part of a separate stage 00:34:43.909 --> 00:34:46.849 and honestly in a real world environment in a 00:34:46.849 --> 00:34:49.289 firefight if you go back to your holster you're 00:34:49.289 --> 00:34:51.690 done and if you accidentally for whatever reason 00:34:51.690 --> 00:34:54.429 rack the slide at that point no autopsy no foul 00:34:54.429 --> 00:34:56.710 right that's not going to be that's not going 00:34:56.710 --> 00:35:00.019 to that's not going to myelinate Sorry, that's 00:35:00.019 --> 00:35:04.420 probably the appropriate answer. I've never heard 00:35:04.420 --> 00:35:07.579 that one, but I'll remember that one. The product 00:35:07.579 --> 00:35:10.880 that I use in lieu of that is something called 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:15.079 the CoolFire Trainer. Now, I think that it's 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:19.960 a very high or saying high value makes it seem 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.739 like it's expensive. And actually, arguably, 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:24.780 it might be expensive because the CoolFire Trainer 00:35:24.780 --> 00:35:27.139 will probably cost you almost as much as the 00:35:27.139 --> 00:35:29.949 gun that it goes into. But for those who don't 00:35:29.949 --> 00:35:32.489 know, it turns the gun into a CO2 gun because 00:35:32.489 --> 00:35:35.809 the barrel, which is not your barrel, it's the 00:35:35.809 --> 00:35:38.769 replacement barrel, is a CO2 cartridge. And you 00:35:38.769 --> 00:35:42.369 just jam some CO2 in it from the muzzle. You 00:35:42.369 --> 00:35:45.130 shoot maybe a dozen rounds, and then you hit 00:35:45.130 --> 00:35:48.150 it again for literally a tenth of a second with 00:35:48.150 --> 00:35:51.070 a CO2 bottle, and it's back up and running. And 00:35:51.070 --> 00:35:53.630 it cycles normally, at least while the pressure 00:35:53.630 --> 00:35:57.570 is good. So you can get... quote -unquote more 00:35:57.570 --> 00:36:00.630 realistic training because it pops a laser in 00:36:00.630 --> 00:36:02.329 the direction that you're shooting so you can 00:36:02.329 --> 00:36:04.710 see where the shot would have landed. You can 00:36:04.710 --> 00:36:11.070 get that recoil impulse except it's costly, objectively 00:36:11.070 --> 00:36:14.869 costly. And I still think it's a good value because 00:36:14.869 --> 00:36:17.710 how many rounds did I save by buying this thing 00:36:17.710 --> 00:36:20.489 once? But maybe there's alternatives out there 00:36:20.489 --> 00:36:22.210 that you can recommend as well. There are like 00:36:22.210 --> 00:36:24.750 the cool fire is exactly that. It's pretty cool. 00:36:25.190 --> 00:36:29.789 I bought one for my wife for her firearm. I don't 00:36:29.789 --> 00:36:31.190 know. Was it two years ago, Christmas, three 00:36:31.190 --> 00:36:33.550 years ago, Christmas. She's never used it. Right. 00:36:33.889 --> 00:36:35.570 That's one of the problems with the cool fires. 00:36:35.610 --> 00:36:38.210 It does require time, a conversion set up, you 00:36:38.210 --> 00:36:40.230 know, et cetera. And it's not always just readily 00:36:40.230 --> 00:36:43.289 available. uh but it is it is pretty cool i want 00:36:43.289 --> 00:36:44.730 to make sure your listeners understand we're 00:36:44.730 --> 00:36:47.769 not this is not an either or right dry fire training 00:36:47.769 --> 00:36:50.909 is not a replacement for live fire it's not a 00:36:50.909 --> 00:36:53.070 replacement for cool fire it's not a replacement 00:36:53.070 --> 00:36:56.469 for alternatives it is part of what is holster 00:36:56.469 --> 00:36:58.829 presentation to first round out right it's arguably 00:36:58.829 --> 00:37:00.929 that's what's the most important round right 00:37:00.929 --> 00:37:03.690 um if you've trained correctly a lot of people 00:37:03.690 --> 00:37:05.670 want to talk about recoil and i have to admit 00:37:05.670 --> 00:37:08.809 recoil in a firefight is less than one tenth 00:37:08.809 --> 00:37:13.119 of a percent of that entire engagement right 00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:15.800 because if you've trained correctly your trigger 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:18.880 press happens when your muzzle is in the correct 00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:22.420 position and um during a firefight you won't 00:37:22.420 --> 00:37:25.300 even be aware of muzzle flip anyway um but to 00:37:25.300 --> 00:37:28.579 get back back to your your point um what i train 00:37:28.579 --> 00:37:30.849 on right the reason i didn't buy myself a cool 00:37:30.849 --> 00:37:34.570 fire is um i have a plethora i have a row of 00:37:34.570 --> 00:37:37.750 uh glock 17 airsoft pistols right there and i 00:37:37.750 --> 00:37:41.909 get the glocks or the kjw makes one also um that 00:37:41.909 --> 00:37:46.769 are both green gas and co2 co2 uh green gas in 00:37:46.769 --> 00:37:49.090 my world is just it's it doesn't recoil hard 00:37:49.090 --> 00:37:51.150 enough and you're constantly having to refill 00:37:51.150 --> 00:37:52.750 it and i don't know how many rounds do you get 00:37:52.750 --> 00:37:55.309 out of that cool fire on yours well like i said 00:37:55.309 --> 00:37:57.550 it's probably i mean i didn't buy the barrel 00:37:57.550 --> 00:38:00.869 extension which maybe gets it up to 30 or so 00:38:00.869 --> 00:38:04.329 rounds. I get maybe a dozen in my Glock 17 -sized 00:38:04.329 --> 00:38:08.849 barrel before it just kind of peters out, and 00:38:08.849 --> 00:38:12.070 then you have to fill it again. So Glock has 00:38:12.070 --> 00:38:15.090 a licensed airsoft. It's kind of one of my favorites. 00:38:15.230 --> 00:38:17.809 KGW makes one. There's also the Adaptive Trainer. 00:38:18.030 --> 00:38:19.989 These are professional airsofts. I mean, they're 00:38:19.989 --> 00:38:23.489 $100, a little over, $120. The nice thing about 00:38:23.489 --> 00:38:26.909 them is the CO2 is in the magazine. I'll only 00:38:26.909 --> 00:38:29.269 buy... ones that that have that because that 00:38:29.269 --> 00:38:31.349 gives a full weight to the magazine and when 00:38:31.349 --> 00:38:33.889 it runs up you do a dump you know and you you 00:38:33.889 --> 00:38:35.769 know rack it and you and you're back back on 00:38:35.769 --> 00:38:38.949 but so yeah there's some major pluses to that 00:38:38.949 --> 00:38:40.570 and that's like the poor man's version of the 00:38:40.570 --> 00:38:44.090 cool fire um because when i train i will i will 00:38:44.090 --> 00:38:46.989 put x number of of pellets in each of my cartridges 00:38:46.989 --> 00:38:49.409 or each of my uh my magazines and i don't know 00:38:49.409 --> 00:38:51.230 how many it is i don't count right i have a little 00:38:51.230 --> 00:38:53.409 machine that pumps them in I give it one pump. 00:38:53.489 --> 00:38:55.989 That could be five. It could be 12. Don't know. 00:38:56.010 --> 00:38:58.829 Don't know. Put them in my side saddle, holster 00:38:58.829 --> 00:39:00.969 up, and then I start doing my training drills. 00:39:01.190 --> 00:39:04.369 And whenever I run empty, unbeknownst to me, 00:39:04.489 --> 00:39:07.889 I'm dumping that magazine. I'm running as hard 00:39:07.889 --> 00:39:10.769 as I can while I'm doing a moving mag swap. Then 00:39:10.769 --> 00:39:12.369 I'm turning and getting back on target because 00:39:12.369 --> 00:39:16.289 that is realistic. What's not realistic is standing 00:39:16.289 --> 00:39:20.030 in a line of 14 people and the instructor saying, 00:39:20.190 --> 00:39:22.860 everybody take one step to the right. That's 00:39:22.860 --> 00:39:24.539 what they teach. Right. One step to the right. 00:39:24.579 --> 00:39:27.199 Clear your malfunction. Right. Take one step. 00:39:27.860 --> 00:39:29.940 If that's what you train, that's what you'll 00:39:29.940 --> 00:39:32.599 do. And if you step one step to the reason they 00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:34.159 do that because there's 14 other people and they 00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.139 can't afford in a live fire environment for a 00:39:37.139 --> 00:39:39.539 mistake to happen and somebody gets shot. And 00:39:39.539 --> 00:39:41.860 this is why I think it's so important to train 00:39:41.860 --> 00:39:45.639 in dry fire, cool fire, airsoft. wear the safety 00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:48.900 gear, wear the goggles, right? And then you can 00:39:48.900 --> 00:39:51.559 train to what's really going to happen in life, 00:39:51.780 --> 00:39:53.679 right? Because you know what? If you're going 00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:55.420 to malfunction and somebody's pointing a gun 00:39:55.420 --> 00:39:59.079 at you, be somewhere else, right? You're not 00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:00.719 going to stand there and toe -to -toe it. Run. 00:40:00.980 --> 00:40:04.920 Right. So we have probably, oh, 10 or so minutes 00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:09.559 left. What would you, if, for people who are 00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:13.730 not going to get, We can talk about Portland 00:40:13.730 --> 00:40:16.269 as much as we want, but we're not really here 00:40:16.269 --> 00:40:20.809 to talk about Portland or California for that 00:40:20.809 --> 00:40:24.610 matter. But for people who are not in your area 00:40:24.610 --> 00:40:27.090 and won't have the opportunity to come train 00:40:27.090 --> 00:40:30.789 with you and, you know, actually I might next 00:40:30.789 --> 00:40:33.329 time I'm in Portland, who knows, what should 00:40:33.329 --> 00:40:36.500 they look for? what what makes a good trainer 00:40:36.500 --> 00:40:39.300 how does the untrained person who only took the 00:40:39.300 --> 00:40:42.460 ccw class they had to take or in constitutional 00:40:42.460 --> 00:40:46.219 carry states just tough to you know gun in their 00:40:46.219 --> 00:40:49.340 pocket or you know in their holster and have 00:40:49.340 --> 00:40:52.440 no training what do they look for how do you 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.440 define a good yeah the first two two things come 00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:58.340 to mind number one talk to your trainers interview 00:40:58.340 --> 00:41:01.079 them I have people, I tell them, set up appointments, 00:41:01.219 --> 00:41:03.019 come in and meet me and make sure it's a fit. 00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:07.579 Because the training that I do is not mechanical. 00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.260 The training I do is emotional, right? So we 00:41:10.260 --> 00:41:14.579 train for very scary stuff, realistically, and 00:41:14.579 --> 00:41:17.019 it's intense. I mean, you're first class with 00:41:17.019 --> 00:41:19.280 me, very first class. I've got you working on 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.119 emergency mag swap, tactical mag swaps, clearing 00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:24.420 malfunctions, and I'm yelling at you. I'm putting 00:41:24.420 --> 00:41:26.199 stress on you. Mag swap, mag swap, you know. 00:41:26.619 --> 00:41:28.800 that is because we can't because we can do that 00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:30.659 safely because we're using less lethal ammunition 00:41:30.659 --> 00:41:34.039 uh we can you know massively accelerate that 00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:35.960 that training curve so you want to make sure 00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:39.239 that number one your instructor is also a student 00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:41.440 right the minute an instructor thinks they know 00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:44.059 all that they're they're suffering Dunning -Kruger 00:41:44.059 --> 00:41:45.420 at that point and they're going to teach you 00:41:45.420 --> 00:41:48.099 what they know You know, and so you want to make 00:41:48.099 --> 00:41:49.940 sure your instructor is training, he's competing, 00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:51.920 he's in the world because it changes. Things 00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:54.900 are changing all the time. I can't tell you just 00:41:54.900 --> 00:41:57.059 from studying ninjutsu because we teach full 00:41:57.059 --> 00:41:59.380 body mechanics, right? Motion, movement, all 00:41:59.380 --> 00:42:02.179 that. The number of techniques I've changed because 00:42:02.179 --> 00:42:05.239 of my history in Northern Shaolin Kung Fu versus 00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:08.179 my current education in ninjutsu, right? It's 00:42:08.179 --> 00:42:12.500 like we change a lot all the time. So make sure 00:42:12.500 --> 00:42:14.900 there's an emotional bond with your instructor. 00:42:15.019 --> 00:42:18.000 Make sure your instructor is also a student and 00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:21.300 is humble. And they give you things. And their 00:42:21.300 --> 00:42:24.260 goal is not to make you keep coming back to them 00:42:24.260 --> 00:42:26.039 forever. They should be giving you the tools 00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:29.099 and the skills of how you can either train at 00:42:29.099 --> 00:42:31.239 home or how do you maximize. We actually have 00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:33.659 a class called that, how to maximize your range 00:42:33.659 --> 00:42:37.179 time. Yeah, I think that that's really the core 00:42:37.179 --> 00:42:41.429 is getting the most for. Given the expense of 00:42:41.429 --> 00:42:44.510 ammunition now, sending rounds down at 30 to 00:42:44.510 --> 00:42:47.670 50 cents a round, you know, emptying a magazine 00:42:47.670 --> 00:42:49.889 and getting nothing for it. Is there anything 00:42:49.889 --> 00:42:52.590 else that you would do that you would, let's 00:42:52.590 --> 00:42:54.710 say, you know, you're in a state like California 00:42:54.710 --> 00:42:56.510 where you have a 10 round magazine. Well, if 00:42:56.510 --> 00:43:00.750 you're done $50 or $5 in a few seconds, what 00:43:00.750 --> 00:43:03.590 else do you do that costs that much that you've 00:43:03.590 --> 00:43:07.460 got no value for? I mean, yeah. you know an expensive 00:43:07.460 --> 00:43:11.099 coffee is going to probably last longer and perhaps 00:43:11.099 --> 00:43:14.019 give you as much enjoyment let me touch on that 00:43:14.019 --> 00:43:15.800 for a split second because i think that's a really 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:18.239 really important thing is most people like so 00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:20.559 they go to the gun range they don't know what 00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:23.159 to do there so they do what they do know and 00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:25.079 that's putting holes in a paper target right 00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:29.500 um and i've watched people burn through 250 300 00:43:29.500 --> 00:43:32.659 rounds in a half an hour right my for the class 00:43:32.659 --> 00:43:34.440 the firearm fundamentals class my very first 00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.110 class We teach, we go through one box of ammo, 00:43:37.170 --> 00:43:40.150 50 rounds. It takes two hours to get through 00:43:40.150 --> 00:43:42.809 50 rounds of ammo. And that's because we are 00:43:42.809 --> 00:43:45.469 clear and make safe. We're doing mag dumps. We're 00:43:45.469 --> 00:43:49.030 doing every single round comes with a lesson 00:43:49.030 --> 00:43:52.909 attached to it. So my advice to all the listeners 00:43:52.909 --> 00:43:58.050 is when you go to the live fire range, slow down, 00:43:58.429 --> 00:44:03.289 figure out what. motions, what mechanics you 00:44:03.289 --> 00:44:06.650 will need to go through to maximize your learning 00:44:06.650 --> 00:44:10.469 experience while minimizing repetitive trigger 00:44:10.469 --> 00:44:12.829 press. And that helps with your myelination, 00:44:12.909 --> 00:44:15.750 as you're talking about. What's that? That helps 00:44:15.750 --> 00:44:18.190 with the myelination. Absolutely. Like, well, 00:44:18.329 --> 00:44:20.010 a good example is, you know, most people won't 00:44:20.010 --> 00:44:22.269 do a mag dump. right because if you're in an 00:44:22.269 --> 00:44:24.289 indoor range your magazine bounces over the edge 00:44:24.289 --> 00:44:27.050 well you lost your magazine right but i i take 00:44:27.050 --> 00:44:29.389 my range bag i get permission from the range 00:44:29.389 --> 00:44:32.630 master i put my range bag right on the little 00:44:32.630 --> 00:44:34.650 table in front of me so it's six inches below 00:44:34.650 --> 00:44:37.969 i put a soft towel underneath it and the minute 00:44:37.969 --> 00:44:40.289 and i'll have my wife load my magazines and i'll 00:44:40.289 --> 00:44:42.190 have her put snap caps in dummy rounds right 00:44:42.190 --> 00:44:44.570 because the minute that sucker goes click i'm 00:44:44.570 --> 00:44:47.309 just dump it go to my side saddle they will let 00:44:47.309 --> 00:44:50.409 you do that at most gun ranges right um Because 00:44:50.409 --> 00:44:52.050 I watch people at the range, what are they doing? 00:44:52.090 --> 00:44:54.070 They're using their offhand to drop magazines, 00:44:54.309 --> 00:44:57.110 right? You need that offhand to be retrieving 00:44:57.110 --> 00:44:59.750 your other magazine. So take some classes that 00:44:59.750 --> 00:45:03.130 teach you the basics, but then reinforce those 00:45:03.130 --> 00:45:06.590 basics. Figure out how to do it on your own time, 00:45:06.670 --> 00:45:08.989 at your own range time, but maximize the use 00:45:08.989 --> 00:45:11.949 of your time to reinforce that, as you said, 00:45:11.989 --> 00:45:14.619 that myelination. And are you aware, I mean, 00:45:14.659 --> 00:45:17.280 so now you're done, you're done for the day, 00:45:17.300 --> 00:45:18.679 you're done for the week, you're done training 00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:21.420 or whatever, and you're at home. Do you have 00:45:21.420 --> 00:45:23.920 any information or things that you've done in 00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:26.699 your research about the myelination, about going 00:45:26.699 --> 00:45:29.420 through it slowly in your mind? I mean, because 00:45:29.420 --> 00:45:32.019 I guess the way I think about this is, you know, 00:45:32.059 --> 00:45:34.920 I go to church, for example, you know, or a movie 00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:37.219 theater or something, and I'm sitting there and 00:45:37.219 --> 00:45:40.309 I'm thinking, okay. I'm sitting here in the pew 00:45:40.309 --> 00:45:41.909 or whatever, and I'm looking, okay, there's a 00:45:41.909 --> 00:45:43.750 doorway there, there's a doorway back here, doorway 00:45:43.750 --> 00:45:47.789 over my right. Something's going to happen, okay? 00:45:47.869 --> 00:45:50.849 Some idiot's going to walk in. What do I do? 00:45:51.010 --> 00:45:52.949 And I've actually thought this out, the whole 00:45:52.949 --> 00:45:55.469 thing. What do I do? And I'm doing it slowly 00:45:55.469 --> 00:45:58.329 in my mind, figure out exactly, you know, who's 00:45:58.329 --> 00:46:00.889 in my way, you know, what's my backstop, you 00:46:00.889 --> 00:46:03.150 know, what are clear shots, what aren't, you 00:46:03.150 --> 00:46:06.110 know, all of that type of thing. But I've never 00:46:06.110 --> 00:46:10.329 done a draw in the middle of church. We talk 00:46:10.329 --> 00:46:11.829 about that a lot. I mean, that's what we call 00:46:11.829 --> 00:46:13.530 when then thinking, right? When then thinking, 00:46:13.630 --> 00:46:16.090 there's a really good book that I read. It's 00:46:16.090 --> 00:46:17.030 a good book. I wouldn't say it's really good, 00:46:17.090 --> 00:46:20.449 but I picked some verbiage out of it that helps 00:46:20.449 --> 00:46:22.670 me communicate better. It's called Seconds to 00:46:22.670 --> 00:46:25.150 Live or Die. The one that comes to mind right 00:46:25.150 --> 00:46:27.730 now is the brain can only go where the brain 00:46:27.730 --> 00:46:30.550 has gone before, right? If your brain has never 00:46:30.550 --> 00:46:33.130 been there. you will sit in blackout freeze not 00:46:33.130 --> 00:46:35.789 knowing what to do. I teach this in all my classes. 00:46:35.849 --> 00:46:37.610 By the way, I teach a lot more than firearms, 00:46:37.789 --> 00:46:40.190 right? I'm a pepper spray instructor. I'm a taser 00:46:40.190 --> 00:46:42.530 instructor. We do CPR, BLS, workplace violence, 00:46:42.769 --> 00:46:45.230 all that, right? Every class, you know, we talk 00:46:45.230 --> 00:46:48.210 about that because in a CPR class, I ask people, 00:46:48.250 --> 00:46:52.579 how on earth could you practice CPR enough? to 00:46:52.579 --> 00:46:55.780 myelinate the process right uh and the the way 00:46:55.780 --> 00:46:57.920 to do that is when then thinking when you're 00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:00.440 in a restaurant and you see some you know pasty 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:01.800 old white dude like me getting in the maitre 00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:04.739 d's face um and turning all purple play it out 00:47:04.739 --> 00:47:07.000 in your head what if this guy hit the floor right 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.420 now what if that thing fell off the wall and 00:47:09.420 --> 00:47:11.500 gave him a great huge cut across his left eye 00:47:11.500 --> 00:47:14.239 how would i treat that right now and my wife 00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:16.679 and i include your friends and family in this 00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:18.780 type of thinking my wife and i were at a new 00:47:18.780 --> 00:47:20.380 restaurant just just the other day we were in 00:47:20.380 --> 00:47:23.710 a greek restaurant and uh i'm i'm loving my mediterranean 00:47:23.710 --> 00:47:25.769 food right i'm in mid bite and she's like hey 00:47:25.769 --> 00:47:27.789 where are all the exits you know or you know 00:47:27.789 --> 00:47:30.349 what's your escape plan and so i'm like once 00:47:30.349 --> 00:47:33.630 i swallowed um i said well this is a strip mall 00:47:33.630 --> 00:47:35.030 down here by the bathrooms there's got to be 00:47:35.030 --> 00:47:36.510 some sort of a loading door but i'm not banking 00:47:36.510 --> 00:47:38.369 on that right there's the doors to the kitchen 00:47:38.369 --> 00:47:40.409 going through the kitchen because the 10 gauge 00:47:40.409 --> 00:47:43.909 stainless steel will stop around i'm loaded um 00:47:43.909 --> 00:47:46.449 i could stage myself and you know and we we literally 00:47:46.449 --> 00:47:48.809 run that through our head because honest to god 00:47:48.809 --> 00:47:52.139 if you're taking skills that you've learned and 00:47:52.139 --> 00:47:54.880 you're taking that time to play them out in your 00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:58.519 head, it's almost as good as physically getting 00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:00.800 up and doing them. You're still firing the same 00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.639 neural pathways, and the brain can only go where 00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:05.980 it has been before. So give it a lot of places 00:48:05.980 --> 00:48:09.119 to go. You know how much you spent learning that 00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:14.079 lesson? Nothing. Exactly. That was a free lesson. 00:48:15.590 --> 00:48:20.489 Okay. I want to kind of summarize this. I also 00:48:20.489 --> 00:48:23.550 want to thank you, Greg, for coming on board 00:48:23.550 --> 00:48:27.190 and being our first guest. It will not be the 00:48:27.190 --> 00:48:30.630 last time you'll be on the show. Defensive Arts 00:48:30.630 --> 00:48:33.670 Center in Portland, Oregon. Why don't you give 00:48:33.670 --> 00:48:36.420 them your contact information? And of course, 00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:38.320 I hope that you will link to the show. You can 00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:41.059 use this as part of the interview process that 00:48:41.059 --> 00:48:43.059 you said that you want your students to know 00:48:43.059 --> 00:48:44.719 who you are. I think people have got a pretty 00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:46.920 good idea who you are, Greg. Awesome. Appreciate 00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:49.659 that a lot. Best way, just defensivearts .org. 00:48:50.619 --> 00:48:53.659 That's the best way to get a hold of us. Phone 00:48:53.659 --> 00:48:55.380 numbers, everything would be listed on the website. 00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:57.780 Brand new website, just rolled it out. Very proud 00:48:57.780 --> 00:48:59.860 of it. Took me almost six months to build that 00:48:59.860 --> 00:49:02.659 one because, well, I do everything myself. Well, 00:49:02.659 --> 00:49:06.460 that's good. And, you know, Ken and I appreciate 00:49:06.460 --> 00:49:09.820 your time. We'll get you back again, maybe a 00:49:09.820 --> 00:49:11.840 little bit in the future when we have the opportunity 00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:14.300 to mature the show a little bit further, come 00:49:14.300 --> 00:49:16.599 up with some new topics, keep the conversation 00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:19.059 fresh. And I want to see both of you when you 00:49:19.059 --> 00:49:21.760 come to Portland. Yes, sir. Well, I don't think 00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:24.260 Ken will, but I'll be up there fairly soon. Yeah, 00:49:24.260 --> 00:49:25.980 well, you've got a son up there and I don't. 00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:29.059 Greg, it's been a real pleasure and I've really 00:49:29.059 --> 00:49:30.980 learned a lot and I very much appreciate your 00:49:30.980 --> 00:49:33.219 time. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me, 00:49:33.219 --> 00:49:35.460 guys. Much appreciated. All right. Well, that 00:49:35.460 --> 00:49:37.800 was a great guest. I very much appreciate having 00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:40.840 a person who actually does this more than just 00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:43.599 occasionally. A person who's professional actually 00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:47.300 runs his own business in training people. I was 00:49:47.300 --> 00:49:50.800 particularly fascinated as he talked about learning. 00:49:51.469 --> 00:49:53.469 having your brain have these basically neural 00:49:53.469 --> 00:49:56.590 pathways so that when you get into that stressful 00:49:56.590 --> 00:50:00.409 situation, your brain knows how to act and you 00:50:00.409 --> 00:50:02.750 know how to think about it. That was very interesting. 00:50:02.849 --> 00:50:07.329 I also looked up what he had with the laser aiming 00:50:07.329 --> 00:50:10.050 device and done some research on that. And that 00:50:10.050 --> 00:50:12.489 is actually going to be one of my future purchases. 00:50:12.849 --> 00:50:16.940 So what about you? I agree. And by the way, listeners, 00:50:17.059 --> 00:50:21.019 I do sound better now. I apologize for selecting 00:50:21.019 --> 00:50:25.880 the wrong microphone selection in Zoom. This 00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:29.159 is the first time we've done Zoom as the hosting 00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:32.380 platform because of the remoteness of our guest. 00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:34.920 I had two different inputs for the microphone. 00:50:35.179 --> 00:50:37.199 It was a coin flip. I picked the one that made 00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:39.639 me sound like I'm in a cave. That won't happen 00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:41.699 again. But getting back to our guest, yeah, Greg 00:50:41.699 --> 00:50:45.179 was an outstanding guest and really reinforced 00:50:45.179 --> 00:50:48.960 the value of not just training, but training 00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:51.199 with a purpose, training with an end state in 00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:55.079 mind, training for the eventualities that are 00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:57.940 more realistic than you're going to be attacked 00:50:57.940 --> 00:51:03.300 by a B8 center paper target or even a scary zombie 00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:05.650 target. Those are not the things that you're 00:51:05.650 --> 00:51:07.809 going to face in the real world. But also, I 00:51:07.809 --> 00:51:10.429 had not really given a lot of thought to the 00:51:10.429 --> 00:51:13.250 problems of training on a range when there's 00:51:13.250 --> 00:51:15.090 a bunch of people lined up next to you horizontally 00:51:15.090 --> 00:51:18.170 just for the legitimate concerns about safety. 00:51:18.489 --> 00:51:21.909 And I think that that was very valuable. Get 00:51:21.909 --> 00:51:24.989 into a shoot house or get to a range where you 00:51:24.989 --> 00:51:27.289 can set targets up on your left and your right 00:51:27.289 --> 00:51:29.429 and in front of you. You know, do it safely, 00:51:29.530 --> 00:51:33.030 of course, but do it in a way that probably replicates 00:51:33.030 --> 00:51:35.269 what you might run into in, you know, the Walmart 00:51:35.269 --> 00:51:38.449 parking lot or as one of the local instructors 00:51:38.449 --> 00:51:40.650 here likes to say, you know, when you stop to 00:51:40.650 --> 00:51:43.989 get some milk at the local shop and rob. Exactly. 00:51:44.389 --> 00:51:47.250 Yeah, safety equipment is kind of one of those 00:51:47.250 --> 00:51:49.650 important things. Actually, I have purchased 00:51:49.650 --> 00:51:52.989 for myself a vest a while ago, and I used to 00:51:52.989 --> 00:51:54.869 wear it when I went to some of the public ranges. 00:51:55.570 --> 00:51:57.210 Nice thing about being in Southern California. 00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:00.539 is that we do have a large amount of open space, 00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:03.039 particularly for Bureau of Land Management land. 00:52:03.219 --> 00:52:04.900 So actually some of the best shooting that I 00:52:04.900 --> 00:52:08.199 like to do is out in the desert in basically 00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:12.659 federal land. But wearing safety equipment, particularly 00:52:12.659 --> 00:52:14.880 a vest or something like that, which is what 00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:17.039 I have purchased. I think, Greg, you might own 00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:19.949 one or two. I'm not sure. I do. Yeah, I do. Yeah, 00:52:19.969 --> 00:52:22.110 it's good to have them and something to do because 00:52:22.110 --> 00:52:23.829 it's not so much that you're not going to be 00:52:23.829 --> 00:52:25.230 safe because you know you're going to be safe. 00:52:25.289 --> 00:52:27.409 Anybody in your party shooting on your lane or 00:52:27.409 --> 00:52:29.530 even the lane next to you is going to be fine, 00:52:29.650 --> 00:52:32.550 but it's just that people two or three or four 00:52:32.550 --> 00:52:35.230 lanes down you've never met before could be a 00:52:35.230 --> 00:52:37.929 danger. And I'm always fascinated by the government 00:52:37.929 --> 00:52:40.670 as they want to go out and they want to ban safety 00:52:40.670 --> 00:52:44.190 equipment. What? They want to ban safety. Well, 00:52:44.230 --> 00:52:46.440 you'd see it. in the state of california and 00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:49.019 probably elsewhere where they'll say oh no there's 00:52:49.019 --> 00:52:51.900 some tiny percentage of people who criminal element 00:52:51.900 --> 00:52:55.940 that might use a vest in a nefarious way so they're 00:52:55.940 --> 00:52:57.980 going to ban it for everybody right it's insane 00:52:57.980 --> 00:53:01.059 it makes no sense and but you know then again 00:53:01.059 --> 00:53:03.860 well it's not a political show and it's also 00:53:03.860 --> 00:53:06.940 not it's also not a legal show you know we usually 00:53:06.940 --> 00:53:08.860 we start with our disclaimer and we didn't mention 00:53:08.860 --> 00:53:10.780 it up front but nothing that greg talked about 00:53:10.780 --> 00:53:13.719 nothing that ken and i talk about is legal advice 00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:17.679 in any way shape or form right and like you were 00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:20.659 just pointing out if you live in a municipality 00:53:20.659 --> 00:53:23.599 that has restrictions that other municipalities 00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:26.039 don't i mean you better pay attention to those 00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:29.519 things because you could run a follow the law 00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:32.730 in thinking that you're not doing Well, you're 00:53:32.730 --> 00:53:34.550 not doing anything wrong. You might be doing 00:53:34.550 --> 00:53:37.130 something illegal. So let's distinguish between 00:53:37.130 --> 00:53:39.230 those two things, right? Right. And we are not 00:53:39.230 --> 00:53:41.510 lawyers. These are our personal opinions, and 00:53:41.510 --> 00:53:44.409 some of which we hold rather strongly, which 00:53:44.409 --> 00:53:47.050 is good. It's not a bad thing to be passionate 00:53:47.050 --> 00:53:52.130 about one's beliefs. Exactly. So upcoming shows, 00:53:52.309 --> 00:53:55.389 what do we have? We have already a guest that's 00:53:55.389 --> 00:53:58.250 going to be lined up that is going to talk about 00:53:58.250 --> 00:54:02.130 lubrication products for your guns. Another potential 00:54:02.130 --> 00:54:05.070 guest that I think will be on fairly soon. One 00:54:05.070 --> 00:54:09.210 from a major parts manufacturer, one from an 00:54:09.210 --> 00:54:11.110 optics manufacturer. I'm not going to name them 00:54:11.110 --> 00:54:12.809 right now because they're still kind of in the 00:54:12.809 --> 00:54:17.769 negotiating dates and times stage. But for those 00:54:17.769 --> 00:54:19.610 who don't know, the basis of the show really 00:54:19.610 --> 00:54:23.329 is going to be guests. And we need to get lots 00:54:23.329 --> 00:54:26.110 of guests on that give you their story. It's 00:54:26.110 --> 00:54:28.769 not just Ken and I's opinion. It's the stories 00:54:28.769 --> 00:54:30.690 that they have to tell. But we're always going 00:54:30.690 --> 00:54:33.269 to still focus on value. And I think Greg offered 00:54:33.269 --> 00:54:37.010 great value because of the realistic elements 00:54:37.010 --> 00:54:39.250 that he brings. And how many places can you go 00:54:39.250 --> 00:54:42.010 use sim munitions if you're not law enforcement? 00:54:42.190 --> 00:54:45.940 I mean, very few, right? Very few. Training is 00:54:45.940 --> 00:54:49.099 very important. And with that, let's bring it 00:54:49.099 --> 00:54:52.320 to a close. Yeah. So those who want to reach 00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:56.820 out frugal firearms podcast at gmail .com again, 00:54:56.860 --> 00:55:00.239 frugal firearms podcast at gmail .com. Be sure 00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:02.599 to like subscribe, tell your friends, leave a 00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:04.539 comment. Even if it's a single word, it actually 00:55:04.539 --> 00:55:07.599 helps the algorithms boost us up a little bit. 00:55:08.279 --> 00:55:11.639 And let's grow this audience and make it something 00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:15.099 useful for all of us. All right? Very good. Thanks. 00:55:15.179 --> 00:55:16.000 All right. Good night, everyone.