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Maybe this is me, but I have yet to buy in or become particularly, uh, enamored

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with, uh, any sort of red dot on a handgun.

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I don't know why.

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But yeah, you do know why.

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Well, you have thoughts of why.

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I have thoughts of why.

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Welcome to episode two.

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That's right.

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Episode two of the frugal firearms podcast, the podcast designed to help you

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get the most out of your shooting dollar.

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I'm here with my cohost Ken.

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Ken, say hello to our listeners.

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Hello listeners.

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I appreciate you guys tuning in to listen to us today.

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Ken, what are we doing here?

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Why are we here?

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Why are we spending our Sunday recording something when we could be, you

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know, doing something else?

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Spending is the operative term there.

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I mean, this is frugal firearms and what we want to get is we'd like to get

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value for the dollars that we spend.

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So, uh, we're here to talk about some of the things that we consider

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to be high value items.

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Exactly.

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And if you, uh, if you dear listeners haven't checked out our first two

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episodes, uh, episode one and episode zero, um, the collector's edition, that

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was actually a beta that we decided came out pretty good.

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So we posted it to all the different, uh, podcast aggregators.

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What we want to do here is we want to highlight the idea that you can get more

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for your dollar if you listen to our advice, uh, and if you don't like our

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advice, um, you can contact us at frugal firearms podcast that's firearms plural.

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So frugal firearms podcast at gmail.com.

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And we also hope that you will like and subscribe on the various podcast, um,

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distribution, uh, networks, according to which one you prefer, because that

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helps more and more people see the show.

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Uh, and that'll help us sustain the show.

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Absolutely.

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So what are we going to talk about today?

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Oh, well, I guess for the first thing that I do is talk about our disclaimer.

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Right.

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So I'm not a lawyer.

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I don't play one on TV.

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Are you a lawyer?

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I play one on TV.

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I'm an engineer and, and you're, you're an IT engineer.

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So yeah, no.

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So if you listeners think that what we're talking about is, uh,

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legally sustainable advice.

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No, you're wrong.

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Um, and, and if you need legal advice, either concerning the legality of products

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that we talk about in your area or our perspectives on self-defense or, uh, any

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other topic that we might meander into, because this is a pretty free form show.

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That that with your local lawyer.

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Uh, and by the way, I do mean local lawyer.

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And why would I say that?

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I would say that because, uh, different municipalities have different local

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rules and what may not get you in trouble at the state level might get

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you in trouble at a different level.

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There's local, state, federal, and international.

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And we were close to the Mexican border down here.

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We will never cross the international border with any firearm or firearm related item.

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You know, in Mexico, I have a friend who does have a property in Mexico and as

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an American, and he does have approval to bring, you know, uh, have a weapon in Mexico.

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Mexico has in their constitution, the right to own firearms, the way they manage

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the problem to keep people from owning firearms.

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I mean, people who are not drug cartel people, let's just get that out of the way.

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They get anything they want.

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They get whatever they want.

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Holder.

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They have, they have one gun store in the country and it's in Mexico City.

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So if you want a gun, yep, you have the right to go buy a gun and you have to

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get yourself to Mexico City to do it.

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Uh, the city of 9 million people, you're going to go down there and you got to

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It's a substantial piece of property.

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And, uh, and the, you are not allowed to own a firearm that has a military caliber.

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You have to finish that out.

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You seek the appropriate legal advice if you need it folks, because this show

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is about our opinions and our opinions only and no one else's.

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So I wanted to thank the people who have, uh, early adopted us and who have

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So I zoomed in on it and it's in the middle of a reservoir.

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They're, they're in the, the, they're right in the middle of the Cheney reservoir.

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It turns out that that's the geographic center of the country.

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And this is for people who listen to the show and didn't put their city in.

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So that, yeah, but all you people listening on the houseboat in Cheney reservoir.

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So I realized that when in listening, you know, in editing the last two shows that

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I said that we were going to cover some topics that we didn't because this is a

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Lots of rabbit holes to go down.

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Um, I mentioned that I was going to talk about ammunition pricing.

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listeners is ammo seek.com.

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Ammo seek is, is good because you can dial in exactly what you want in terms of,

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uh, not just caliber, but grains, how much shipping you want to pay.

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steel cases and you can get very, very particular and then find the best

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pricing on ammunition.

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license, which is by the way, a separate thing.

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receive the shipment for you.

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legitimately for their time to do that.

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to the, you know, whatever other limited source you have.

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I'm so looking forward to the Bruin decisions and the Supreme

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Court and the Heller decision striking down so much of this and getting back to.

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Freedom.

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We used to have it here in this country.

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Used to have it here in the state.

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morning too, on a slightly different subject about whether or not it's better

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to avoid being involved in organizations or in areas where you're losing

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or whether it's better to stay in fight and basically get in behind enemy lines.

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So amuseek.com is a great place to go look, uh, to find ammunition at a lower

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cost or look for calibers that maybe you don't have available locally.

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If you use a lot of ammunition, you buy it in bulk.

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Uh, you can save a lot of money that way.

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Someday we're going to have to talk about reloading because reloading is one

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of the things that I do and I enjoy.

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And, uh, the fact that you can save 50 cents or 50% to maybe two thirds on the

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cost of, uh, ammunition, most ammunition.

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bullet weight with a very specific amount of powder that's flat out not

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available commercially anywhere.

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the chronograph and range time.

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differently due to the barrels and all sorts of things, but it's

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a really fun thing to do.

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And that's part of the value of, of the activity.

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Remember, you know, this is the frugal firearms podcast and, you know, the

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focus is on value, but there's a construct of value that is what's the entertainment

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value, not just the monetary value.

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And, and the satisfaction that you get from doing something on your own that

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maybe you did better than you could go by in the store.

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That's going to be something that, uh, probably you'll lead the topic on that

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Ken, because you have experience in that area and I don't, but when we get to that

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The other thing major faux pas on my part, uh, was not covering the value ratings

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that we review on the show.

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And then we just ran right away from that and didn't do any of it.

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that and get us back on track.

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So how are we going to do that?

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We're going to do a Likert scale.

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You know, that's the one of those famous, fun words.

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We said it was a one to 10 scale.

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So, okay, one to 10 scale.

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One to 10 scale.

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The one to 10 scale is not just the, uh, the quality of the thing.

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It's the value proposition of the thing.

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So a very inexpensive thing might rate highly and the best in class

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might actually rate poorly.

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So a one, a one, uh, star or a one, uh, wouldn't call it a star, but that

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would be a not so great and then all the way up to 10, which would be

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considered to be an excellent value.

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which was the Athlon Talos BTR, uh, low power variable optic, which is a one to four.

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And I, you know, made a great case out of why I think that's an excellent value.

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The fact that the, uh, the visual field is very, very flat, which to me as a

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photographer is a very important thing and then completely forgot about giving it a rating.

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It is an illuminated reticle.

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than other reticle.

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entire area illuminated.

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Uh, I actually kind of prefer a hybrid approach to that, but the amount of the

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range of light that you can get out of it, I think it's to me, it's spot on.

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Cause a lot of people would question, why do you want a one power scope?

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Well, you know, the reason I like a one power scope and it is pretty darn close to

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If you ever hear one power scope, can I put quotes around that?

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Because a one power scope is not, it's sometimes like 0.9 or 1.1.

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Uh, it's close enough.

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distance vision isn't perfect.

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Because you can then adapt the scope to account for your less than perfect vision.

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Now my right eye is 2015, so I have really good distance vision in my right eye.

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My left eye is not quite as good and I'm right eyed and I'm right eye dominant.

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As am I.

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But the, the fact is that I can still get a much better view through a prism scope

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or through a traditional glass scope, even at one power.

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So it also helps, you know, literally narrow your, not that you want a wide

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field of view, but it does tend to focus you put quotes around focus.

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It focuses your attention exactly.

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And that's why it's a value.

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And the ranges I shoot, I don't really need more than four power.

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Um, we're going to cover a scope in a future show, uh, which is going to be a

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three to 15 power that, well, it just isn't available in less than three to 15 power.

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But for its purpose, I think it still fits the bill of being a value proposition.

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But the nice thing about the, the Talos, you know, even though it is essentially

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the bottom of the, of the Athlon line, it's, you remember, it's not just about

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the product, it's about the company behind the product.

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And I managed to break one.

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I managed to knock the reticle loose out of the scope inside the interior side

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the scope and you just type from the outside, right?

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Yeah.

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Disassemble it.

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And that's optical quality.

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And you, yeah.

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It wasn't, I wouldn't say that it was a super hard hit.

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I, it, it also wasn't gross negligence.

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I didn't drop the thing out of a helicopter.

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I didn't run over it with the truck, but the reticle came loose

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and needed to be replaced.

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I sent it into them and in no time at all, they had a new one back to me.

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That's excellent customer service.

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And even on a budget scope.

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So they probably lost money on the entire deal because there's probably not enough

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profit margin, but they still covered the product and honored the warranty.

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So reputation means something to them and that's an excellent quality.

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So I'm giving that, I'm giving that scope at nine.

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I'm giving that a solid nine, 10 by the way, for me is going to be really hard to get.

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Okay.

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Now we're going to talk about the also previously discussed

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Smith and Wesson shield.

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Shield.

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What are we both on Ken?

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We both on shields.

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I actually, yeah, there's the gen one shield.

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The other interesting thing is they're not only gen one shields, they are California

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edition gen one shields.

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And one of the odd things about that is California requires a chamber flag indicator.

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So most of the shields that you'll see in the 49 other states or other parts of the

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country, they just have a, like a little peephole that's drilled right at the base of

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the, of the base of the cartridge as it's in the, in the, in the, in the, in the

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cartridge as it's inside the chamber.

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And you can kind of look down in it, you see a little tiny peephole.

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And if you see brass in there, then obviously you've got a round in there.

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California required a little pop-up flag, which pops up this little like red flag

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sticks up about a three quarters of an inch long and it rotates up and it's a,

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actually it's one of the odd things that I actually like.

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And the reason why I like it is it's tactile and I can feel it in them in, in

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complete utter darkness.

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If I were to grab my shield and the complete darkness, I wouldn't have to go,

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is it loaded or not?

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I mean, I can't see down.

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It's too dark.

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I can't see the through the little peephole, but I can just feel across there.

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And if it's tactically up, then I can, I know instantly that it's a, that it's a

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loaded chamber.

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So would you say that the, now knowing that both of us own 1.0 is not 2.0 is

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not 2.0 is the standard one.

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I've seen the 2.0.

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I think that the value proposition for the 2.0 is about equal to the 1.0.

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I mean, my got mine for just frankly north of $200 and it was new.

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Yeah.

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Now they cost more.

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Not surprising.

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Now, what would be the basis for value proposition of a shield?

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You'd have to compare it to other competitive things out there.

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We do.

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I was incredibly impressed at its accuracy.

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The first time I took out my shield, I was firing just your Winchester

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white box ball ammunition, target ammunition, nine millimeter, 115 grain.

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And I was, this thing only has like a three inch barrel, a little under three

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inches, I think I'd have to look at the specs and I was basically firing at

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milk jugs full of water at a distance of about 75 to 80 yards and hitting them

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every single time with basically a concealed carry gun, which I was

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anticipating was going to have far less accuracy than it had.

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So from that perspective, I was extremely impressed.

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And I, my experience and remember listeners, I'm not the best shot out there.

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Actually with my Glock, I am.

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You've had that forever.

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Yeah.

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With my, with my Glock, I'm, I even surprised myself how good I am.

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And with my shield, I'm less good.

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So I think that for me, the, the value proposition on the shield is

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perhaps maybe a little less.

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Now I did a comparison yesterday on handgun hero.

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You know what handgun hero is?

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Let's talk about it.

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Handgunhero.com is another recommended site.

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If you're interested in, in comparing visually and in a very easy way by

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doing electronic overlays of the size of guns, you can compare any two guns

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you want and change the opacity of whatever gun you're looking at on top

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and make it disappear or, or become a hundred percent.

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You can look at the both sides and the back of the gun.

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And if you're, if size is a concern on, on your carry gun, it's the site to go to,

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but they also list prices.

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And I verified that against another recommended site, which is gun.deals,

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which I mentioned last time.

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Yep.

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And the shield is running less consistently less than to me, what the,

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the best in class for me is the Glock 43.

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True.

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So to me now, again, a lot of people I'd say, well, what about the Hellcat?

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Well, sure.

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Or, you know, what about the Taurus makes some, some good nine millimeter

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or the Ruger offerings or I mean the Hellcat is more expensive for certain.

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Uh, probably because I'm a Glock guy and I actually think the trigger on the,

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and this is going to horrify a lot of people.

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I think the Glock 43 trigger is actually very, very good.

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At least it's very, very good for a Glock.

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To me, that's the class lead.

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To me, that's the class leader and looking at the street prices of that,

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you can save, I think around a hundred dollars getting the shield.

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I believe so.

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And, and sadly the 43, since we again, live here on the left coast here in the

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people's Republic of California, and we love to be goose-stepping with the governor.

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Um, is that 43 available here on the primary market here in the state of California?

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Not to me.

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It's not, no, not to you either.

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It is a law enforcement.

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Of course, law enforcement.

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Right.

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And of course they do come up on the secondary market, which is where a law

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enforcement officer who purchases one of these things, uh, legally fine.

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And they've shoot it for awhile and they decide that, you know what?

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They just don't like it that much.

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And then they end up selling it on the secondary market.

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And when they do, it's perfectly legal then to buy it on the secondary market.

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It's also perfectly legal to make it really, really, really, really expensive

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on the secondary market.

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Which is what they do.

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Yeah.

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They typically double to triple the price.

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So say it costs $500, just brand new in almost any other state in California.

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If you buy the same thing on the secondary market, it'll be somewhere

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between a thousand and $1,500.

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Yeah.

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Not going there.

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Not going there.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Exactly.

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It's the only way to legally acquire some of these guns because in the

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state of California, we still have the roster, the handgun roster.

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There's not been a new handgun added since 2013.

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Jackie, my watch, that's 10 years.

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So all those great handguns you've seen on the cover of guns and ammo and

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the NRA magazines and everything else, we don't get them in California,

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at least unless you're in law enforcement.

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And remember, if you haven't listened to earlier editions of the show, and

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let's say you're new to the show and you're thinking, why are these

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morons living in California?

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It's because the value quote proposition and quote of our lives indicate that

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California right now, at least is the place that we want to be.

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And I mentioned the whole stand and fight thing earlier.

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So, you know.

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California is a beautiful state.

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It is.

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Beautiful coastline, mountains.

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It's got beautiful weather.

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It's got forests.

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It's got Yosemite.

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It's got some of the best things.

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Taxes and fees and income tax and property tax and sales tax.

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Yes.

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And it's run by insane politicians.

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That's right.

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And we are one party state.

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And by that means there really is no, there's no Republican representation.

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There's Republicans in the Senate and in the state legislature, but they

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basically have almost no effect because two thirds of the entire legislature is

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run by the single party, the Democrat, left wing of the Democrat.

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That's insanity.

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Yep, it is.

427
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So, but let's not, we're not doing a political show.

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No, we're not.

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We're not doing that.

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And remember, and by the way, our Democrat friends out there, and I

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actually mean that, I mean, that sounds...

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We have Democratic friends.

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Yeah, it sounds...

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We're family members.

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It sounds sarcastic to say that.

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And I really mean it.

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I mean, I have close family, you know, intelligent people who I

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simply just don't agree with.

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So, you know, you guys, that didn't sound right.

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People on the left, people who don't agree with our perspective, as long as

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they agree with the idea that self-defense is a fundamental human right.

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It's a fundamental natural right.

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Are welcome to...yes, you're right.

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Yeah.

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Natural right.

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Natural right to all animals, all animals, including human beings,

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have a right to self-defense.

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It is a natural, we could say, God-given right.

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So no matter, no matter what you identify yourself as, you still have a right to

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self-defense and you're welcome on this show, if, by the way, if money is also

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an issue and you want to save it.

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Okay.

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So we've covered...

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So what's your number for the shield?

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My number for the shield is very good.

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I would have to properly say a seven to an eight.

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And the only reason it would have been higher when if all we were

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looking at were Gen ones, it probably would have been an eight to a nine.

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But now that the Gen twos are out and better than that, a gun that we, another

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gun we can't get, which is the shield plus, which is basically the same thing

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as the shield, except instead of using a single stack magazine like was

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what we have in California, it has a staggered stack magazine, which gives

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you, I think 12 rounds instead of the maximum 10 or eight that we get.

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I think it's just eight that we get in our existing one.

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So you pick up like another four rounds with a staggered on the shield plus.

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And the nice thing with the shield plus is it does fit in all of the

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existing holsters for your shield.

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Cause it just fattens up the grip by about a, not even a quarter inch or something.

469
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Yeah.

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It's a, it's a, I'm looking at it right now on gun.deals.

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It's a 10 round.

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Um, and the price point is still running about 10% less or so than, than Glock 43.

473
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Yeah.

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And that's 10 rounds with, with the standard length magazine.

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If you, if you do the extended magazine, you pick up probably another two rounds.

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So it's probably like 12.

477
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I guess I'm going to get, I was thinking about giving it a seven.

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I think, I think maybe since they've maintained the price advantage, I, I

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guess I'd have to go with an eight.

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I guess if it was the, if it was a Glock 43 for this, then at the same, if it

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was cost competitive with, with the Glock 43, I think it'd probably fall to about

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six in my estimation only because of the price advantage and the fact that they

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really are advancing the model.

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They are.

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And they've done a great job.

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I mean, the trigger on the, on the shields is very, very good.

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Even the gen ones I have held.

488
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,000
I don't think it's a good thing.

489
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,840
I have held, I don't think it's better than a Glock 43.

490
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,920
Well, to be honest with you, I have not actually gotten the fire or Glock 43.

491
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,520
I did actually get to see one, hold one in another state.

492
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,720
That's why you should have gone to the shot show because you could have

493
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,120
dropped at least dry fired these.

494
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:41,760
That's true.

495
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:42,320
That's true.

496
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:42,840
True point.

497
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:43,680
So, okay.

498
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,560
The next item up is, is a me item.

499
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:50,560
It's the LaRue, uh, MBT, uh, two S trigger, which I mentioned last time, which

500
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:56,640
is a, a parts kit trigger, not a drop in trigger for the AR 15 and, and variance

501
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:04,080
thereof, uh, that's a, that's a straight up 10 to me, that is as good as any two

502
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,640
stage trigger I've ever felt.

503
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:11,440
And I'm a two stage guy and the price point on it, it's crept up over time.

504
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,560
Understandably, there's something called inflation that perhaps a few of you have

505
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:21,240
heard of, but at the same time, I haven't seen anything cost competitive with it.

506
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,480
That is it's equal.

507
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:29,120
Uh, we'll see that new trigger tech drop in trigger that has a price point of

508
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:35,160
around $150, I wouldn't say would be the LaRue killer, but it's going to be, it's

509
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,240
going to give them a quote run for their money.

510
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,720
You know, I tried it at shot, uh, just sitting on the test stand.

511
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:46,400
And I would say that at the price point, that is the best drop in two stage trigger.

512
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,120
So again, the LaRue though, that I actually own straight up 10.

513
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:51,720
You have a gun to cover Ken.

514
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:58,360
Taurus 856, um, Taurus 856 is they make it a couple of different variants, but

515
00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:01,320
the, the one that I acquired was stainless steel.

516
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,480
I liked the Taurus, uh, they used to have a bad reputation, but they've

517
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,560
gotten quite a bit better.

518
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:12,800
The nice thing, if a firearm was available in blue steel and also for a 20 or $40,

519
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,680
$50 increase, you can buy it in stainless steel.

520
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:21,120
I almost 99.9% of the time we'll, we'll opt for the $50 more expensive.

521
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:26,520
One to have it in stainless steel, just because I prefer the additional durability.

522
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,120
I mean, you can still rust stainless steel, so you want to keep it, you

523
00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:33,840
know, clean and oil and stuff, but it's just a little bit more forgiving,

524
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,040
particularly in those environments where you might have high humidity.

525
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,600
Now we do not have high humidity in Southern California, uh, for the most part,

526
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,320
but again, uh, it's, it's just a nice little feature to have, if you ask me.

527
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,440
And there are some firearms that are available in the future.

528
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,880
If you want a black or dark one, they do have a stainless steel that's been blacked out.

529
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,520
They have like a melomite or Mela Mela.

530
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:57,720
I can't think of any of it.

531
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,360
It's a coating over the stainless steel to make it black.

532
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:05,040
Actually all the state, all of the M and P, uh, M and P Smith and Wessons,

533
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,520
which have the M and P shield and the M and P full size.

534
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,800
Those are actually stainless steel slides that have a black, uh, melanin,

535
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,040
melanin, melanite coating on it, whatever.

536
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,920
Well, it's not the stuff that, it's not the stuff that comes out of the

537
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,480
stuff that covers your kitchen counters.

538
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,120
No, no, no.

539
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:21,280
Yeah.

540
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:21,840
I can't think.

541
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:22,520
I've got to look it up.

542
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:23,280
That's melomite.

543
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:23,600
Yeah.

544
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:26,840
But yeah, it's a, it's a black coating that goes over stainless steel.

545
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,720
If you don't want that bright white steel, sort of a look to it.

546
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:37,880
But anyway, with the Taurus, uh, 856, uh, we had an opening of a local gun store

547
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,600
that opened here in San Diego recently and, uh, was able to pick one up for $299,

548
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,000
which I think is a tremendous value proposition.

549
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,760
Uh, came with a couple of grips, came with a wood grip and it came with a

550
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:54,400
polymer grip to it and it had a very decent, it's a six shot, 38 special

551
00:27:54,720 --> 00:28:01,520
plus P rated, uh, which to be honest with you is, is very, very good for a home defense.

552
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,040
It was recommended.

553
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:10,160
I recommended it to a friend of mine who, uh, is a, is a widow now and she wanted

554
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,800
to get a firearm, a first firearm type of deal, and I was so impressed with it

555
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,640
that I bought one myself, which is high praise right there.

556
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,840
And that will definitely show in my increased, uh, rating for it when we get there.

557
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,160
So what do you rate it at?

558
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,920
I don't, I don't own one, so I, I'm not qualified to rate that.

559
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,000
I rate that as a solid nine.

560
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,960
I think it's an excellent value.

561
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,520
They make it in several variants.

562
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,320
They make it in a two, like two and a half inch or two and a quarter

563
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,280
inch is what I'd probably have on the snub nose.

564
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,080
They also make it three inch and four inch, I believe.

565
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,160
I think almost any variant of it is perfect.

566
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,480
You can buy a reduced power springs in it.

567
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,040
The springs are pretty, are pretty, uh, decent.

568
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,440
In other words, the trigger pole is pretty long and pretty, but it's very smooth,

569
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,200
very smooth, but it's a, it's probably got like an eight pound trigger pole,

570
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,280
which is fine on a revolver because you're rotating the cylinder

571
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,480
as well as cocking the hammer.

572
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,280
So that's quite a bit, but you can also put in, uh, different springs to reduce

573
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,040
that if you want, and you can do quite a bit of gunsmithing with it.

574
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,960
And there's a lot of, ton of different grips out there available.

575
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,800
Hogue makes one actually I did buy the Hogue grip added to it.

576
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:20,320
Liked it very much and it's gone into my, into my carry repertoire.

577
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,080
So good stuff.

578
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,880
So the next I, Oh, and what, oh, you, did you give it a number?

579
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:26,800
Was I not listening to you?

580
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:27,480
You gave it a nine.

581
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:27,760
Okay.

582
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,000
Gosh, I got, I got distracted there for a minute.

583
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:35,200
Um, I am going to now, well, actually we're both going to talk about

584
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,200
the AR seven that we reviewed now.

585
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,280
I think this is maybe what we're going to have our first disagreement

586
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,520
during this show about the value proposition of the air seven.

587
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,920
So if you don't know, uh, and you didn't listen to the previous episode,

588
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:53,120
air seven is a breakdown survival rifle that all stores in the stock.

589
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:59,280
Uh, it floats when it floats and, and, um, it's a fun little gun, but, uh,

590
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:04,800
I got mine, mine happens to be a Charger Arms, which dates it a lot because

591
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,240
it's about 30 years or so more than 30 years, 35, something like that.

592
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,320
35 years.

593
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,200
It's been a long time since I bought that and I bought it for well, less than

594
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:18,360
a hundred dollars and I don't know if it was audible on the podcast, but I just

595
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,520
pulled up the prices for those and I kind of gasped.

596
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:21,360
Almost 400 bucks.

597
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,760
Uh, yeah, or more than 400.

598
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:34,120
And that is astounding, uh, disappointing and I don't think sustainable and, and

599
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:40,080
Henry doesn't build rifles at a very fast rate right now, so I don't even know.

600
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,040
Henry build some great stuff though.

601
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:42,560
God.

602
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,400
Well, first let's talk about your Charger Arms version of it.

603
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:45,760
Okay.

604
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,560
The air seven and I highly, I like to buy since we're talking about frugal

605
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,600
and getting value, I'm very big into buying used firearms.

606
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:55,120
Okay.

607
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:55,440
Okay.

608
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,680
But not everyone has that.

609
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,280
I mean, so where would you go for that?

610
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,440
You go to gunbroker.com or grab a gun or something like that.

611
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,240
Or just down to your local gun store.

612
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:09,760
I constantly am going through the racks at gun stores around town, uh, looking

613
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,360
at what comes in and the other thing is pawn shops, not all pawn shops you

614
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,880
can pawn a firearm at, but, uh, many of them do have that.

615
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,280
Pawn shops are a great place.

616
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,840
And the great thing about pawn shops are pawn shop will almost always

617
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,640
list the firearm at the current brand new price and it's like, well, they

618
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,600
want $500 for it or whatever the price might be.

619
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:31,520
Uh-huh.

620
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:31,920
Uh-huh.

621
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,120
Pawn shops are a suggestion.

622
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,440
You're like, nah, I'm not, I don't want to do that.

623
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,800
I will give you and cash speaks volumes at a pawn shop.

624
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,320
You can walk into a pawn shop and I've gotten 30, 40% off certain things

625
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,160
because you can sit there and go, Hey, that's unusual.

626
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:47,680
It's weird.

627
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,280
It's going to sit there for a year.

628
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,920
You wouldn't you prefer just that you, you bought it for 25 cents on the dollar.

629
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,600
Wouldn't you like to sell it for 50 cents on a dollar?

630
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:57,640
You're making money.

631
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,280
But isn't that, I mean, doesn't like if someone sells them, I don't know, a

632
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,000
Faberge egg or something like that, that they can't move.

633
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,240
There are unscrupulous things and there are people who, yeah, there are weird

634
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:08,440
things.

635
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:08,520
Okay.

636
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,880
But I mean, don't guns move right off the shelf at a pawn shop?

637
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,680
I mean, sometimes they sit there a long, long time.

638
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:14,840
Okay.

639
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,640
I don't, I don't frequent pawn shops.

640
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:18,040
I do.

641
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,160
I frequent pawn shops.

642
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:19,600
Okay.

643
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,040
I go to several pawn shops.

644
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:21,920
I'm not criticizing.

645
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:22,840
I know you're not.

646
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:23,240
Okay.

647
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,560
I'm just saying I've gotten some fantastic deals on some wonderful.

648
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,080
Let's go with your number then.

649
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,880
So we'd previously covered the AR7 and what we like and don't like about it.

650
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,680
But if you're going to get 30% off of a $400 gun, if you're lucky enough to find

651
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,480
it and it's in good condition that it's actually worth, like it's still worth 70%

652
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,160
of its original cost, how does that compare to the media gun you haven't seen yet?

653
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,200
But to me, the Winchester Wildcat, which comes in at more than a hundred dollars

654
00:32:52,200 --> 00:33:00,480
less, which takes air, it takes the Ruger 1022 Rotary magazine, or it takes their

655
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,520
own magazine.

656
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:02,040
Interesting.

657
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:02,840
It takes both.

658
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,720
And I mentioned before that I think that probably indicates that Ruger's patent

659
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,520
on the design of their magazine must have expired a long time ago.

660
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,920
They've been building them since like 64.

661
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:13,760
Something like that.

662
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:14,160
Yeah.

663
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,640
And, but the Winchester Wildcat now it's not a breakdown gun.

664
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,840
So it's going to, its full size is going to stay that way.

665
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:25,280
But if I were to look at that, or let's just say even, you know, the Henry

666
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,680
Minibolt or something like that, well, that's not a semi-auto.

667
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,920
What, if you want it to be apples to apples, it needs to be another semi-auto.

668
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:36,640
I like the fact that the Air 7 is a semi-auto and breaks down small, but I, I'm

669
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,800
really not liking the $400 price tag on this at all.

670
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:47,960
And I would have to say that maybe I'll just accept a little additional size and

671
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,360
go for something that doesn't break down.

672
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,240
So I'm going to say that right now, God, the value proposition for me on

673
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,080
an Air 7 is about a four.

674
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:56,560
Yeah.

675
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:57,880
I would have to almost agree.

676
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,800
It's a four, maybe to a five.

677
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,680
I mean, it is a very nice, very compact thing.

678
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,680
If you just want to carry, you're going out backpacking, going out hiking,

679
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,520
you go in the distance and you want to take maybe a hundred rounds of 22 with

680
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,760
you, which weighs almost nothing and you weight really is critical.

681
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:15,400
Okay.

682
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,320
So I think the thing weighs like two and a half pounds.

683
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,000
Including the a hundred rounds of ammunition that can, you can definitely,

684
00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:27,800
you know, make the, make the thing that saves weight on the backpack.

685
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,520
And, uh, so there is value to it, but I would agree because if it's, if it's

686
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,040
breakdown characteristic more than anything else, I guess, if you have to

687
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,320
have a breakdown gun, then yeah.

688
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:37,880
Yeah.

689
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,080
And then both are AR7s.

690
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,080
I bought mine used and you got your one used as well.

691
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,640
Your first one, your charter arms anyway, that was used.

692
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:46,120
Yeah.

693
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,120
But well, I'm having trouble remembering whether it was used or not.

694
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:50,840
It was used.

695
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:51,200
It wasn't.

696
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:51,440
Okay.

697
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,280
The, but then again, it had a bent barrel.

698
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,840
Well, that's true.

699
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,840
I had the, I sent the barrel into charter arms and they replaced the

700
00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:59,800
barrel, which was good on them.

701
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:00,760
But, okay.

702
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,200
But what would we get into in cases where a person could have an SBR?

703
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,720
I mean, you want to pay a $200 tax stamp on SBR?

704
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,560
Well, if you're in Texas and it's a locally produced SBR, maybe you won't be paying that.

705
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,400
I'm not sure I'm ready to, I would, you know,

706
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,320
Well, we don't live in Texas.

707
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,000
We don't live in Texas.

708
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,360
But would, but would the, I mean, what would you spend on building a decent SBR?

709
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,400
Now, I mean, it's, it's going to be a multiple of this, but it's

710
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:26,600
going to be a lot more versatile.

711
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,080
Yeah, it would be.

712
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,800
I mean, you could, you could do an AR type pistol with a 10 inch barrel, take down

713
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,320
with a, you can do a lot, but you're talking North of a grand.

714
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:37,360
Yeah.

715
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:42,120
But is North of a grand a better value than $400 on a 22 that has.

716
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,760
Well, I like 22s.

717
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,240
I think 22s are the advantage.

718
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:50,840
Yeah, they're underpowered, but in theory, yes, theory, you're going to be using it for,

719
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,560
you're not going to have Kodiak bear hunted with a 22.

720
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:53,760
Yeah.

721
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,440
As you talked about before, right?

722
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:56,640
Okay.

723
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:02,040
So next product up that we forgot to give evaluating to was the Jerry

724
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:07,520
Michalik, uh, 223 compensator and be very short about this.

725
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:08,400
That's about a nine.

726
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,880
Uh, it's an excellent compensator.

727
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:17,240
That does the job objectively better than most comps that both cost more and look

728
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:23,040
like they, you know, came out of a fantasy movie and could you spend less and get 80%

729
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,680
of the effectiveness actually?

730
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:25,400
Yeah, you can.

731
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:31,040
There are ways to do that and buy a really cheap comp, but I think that that to me is,

732
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,360
is my go-to comp and it doesn't cost much at all.

733
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,120
So moving on to the new product category here.

734
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,880
I have the hollow sun, right?

735
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,360
I wanted to, you don't have the hollow sun 407 K X two.

736
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:44,720
Do you?

737
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:45,920
I do know you do not.

738
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:46,720
I do.

739
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:48,400
And that's what sits on my shield.

740
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:55,400
And so why did I choose that being so value centric as I am, what I looked at the,

741
00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:00,680
you know, the breadth of red dots out there, I found that most red dots, well,

742
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,640
they're dots and that sounds parenthetically obvious, but most of them are like very,

743
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,320
very bright dots that tend to kind of have a lot of glare if they're bright enough.

744
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:16,040
And your brain, I would say your eye doesn't like to look at bright contrast, the objects.

745
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,800
And that's true, except your eye doesn't have an opinion, your brain does.

746
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,000
But, but your optical system was put it that way actually doesn't like to look

747
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,600
at a bright object against a background like that.

748
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:34,800
And so looking at a red dot, the traditional red dot is actually so bright

749
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,760
actually slightly an unnatural thing to do.

750
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,680
And I also found that across the spectrum of what you can spend on red dots, that

751
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,760
you could spend a hundred or you could spend 300 and sometimes it's been 50.

752
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:48,440
Yeah.

753
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,640
And sometimes the difference is you're probably paying in durability at some point.

754
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:59,040
Well, you are paying in durability at some point, but at there are price points at

755
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,880
which the extra money you're spending isn't buying you much or anything.

756
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:11,200
The thing that distinguishes to me, the Holosun 407K with the six MOA dot is, is

757
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,240
not just that I'm not more accurate than that.

758
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:14,120
That is not the point.

759
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,080
It's that the dot isn't a bright, shiny star.

760
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:19,880
It is a disc.

761
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,360
And I don't mean a circle because I think circles are silly and distracting and, and

762
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,160
don't really belong on red dot sites.

763
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,240
It looks like the best analogy is a stoplight.

764
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:34,360
It looks, it's, it's just a red disc and it doesn't glare at all.

765
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:40,400
So it's actually, and it shows up somewhat, you know, translucently, but it also has

766
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:46,920
excellent definition and it ends up being something easier to pick up and easier to

767
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,160
stay focused on your target because it's not super contrasty.

768
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:56,040
It's contrasty enough, but it doesn't have the glare with the stars, you know,

769
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,360
right effects around it.

770
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,120
And for people with the stigmatism that matters, the optical glass is all right.

771
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:07,720
It's not as flat as I would like, but the, to me, the differentiator was that dot.

772
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,480
And I would say, and it does have Shake Awake.

773
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,360
It has a 50,000 hour battery, assuming it's not on all the time.

774
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,720
And I would, at its current price point, I'd give it probably an eight.

775
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,240
It would get a 10 if the glass was as flat as some of the more expensive ones.

776
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,040
So this mounts on the...

777
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,520
It's an RMSC.

778
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:32,840
You know, the C for compact, it fits on small receivers, or I'm sorry,

779
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:33,320
slides.

780
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:34,520
It fits on small slides.

781
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,000
It is not a Trijicon footprint.

782
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,120
It's an RMSC.

783
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:39,960
Right.

784
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:47,000
And I think maybe this is me, but I have yet to buy in or become particularly

785
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:52,280
enamored with any sort of red dot on a handgun.

786
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,400
I don't know why.

787
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:54,200
Well, okay.

788
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,640
But yeah, you do know why.

789
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:56,960
Well, you have thoughts of why.

790
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:57,840
I have thoughts of why.

791
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:58,160
Okay.

792
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,440
I mean, from a rifle perspective, absolutely.

793
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,800
A carbine particularly, great thing to have.

794
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,240
Red dot, wonderful thing to have.

795
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:09,360
I don't know, pistol, because you're increasing the vertical height of the pistol,

796
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,800
which is, in my opinion, is most of the things I would do for concealed carry.

797
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:19,160
So to me, it's something sticking up in the back and it's a little snag on something

798
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,680
at the worst possible moment.

799
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,640
I find it unnatural to rely upon it because what if the battery's out?

800
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,560
What if you knocked it down and it's just not working?

801
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:28,560
Well, that's called co-witness.

802
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,080
That's why you put suppressor...

803
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:30,640
I understand that.

804
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:31,240
I understand that.

805
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:31,840
High sights.

806
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:32,440
High sights.

807
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,240
I get it.

808
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,040
I get it.

809
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,360
But to me, I'm just, I'm an iron sights guy.

810
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,600
I learned on iron sights, been firing iron sights for half a century or whatever.

811
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:41,560
I like them.

812
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:46,600
I do like the fiber optic sights, similar to the 3DOT fiber optic sights on there,

813
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,840
which will use a natural ambient light in the room or whatever it might be.

814
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,680
And sometimes with glow, like Trijicon, you know, will have an additional glow.

815
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,520
But I'm more of an iron sights guy.

816
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,560
I haven't bought into this whole thing that these pistols have to have these,

817
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,560
these electronic optics on them yet.

818
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,520
I am an adopter, but I have both.

819
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,240
I have iron sights and red dot.

820
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:14,760
To me, the red dot makes the most sense for one particular reason above all others.

821
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,480
And it's not just the cool factor and stuff like that.

822
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,800
Like, you know, look how much more money I put into my gun.

823
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:25,600
It's the fact that I don't necessarily accept that people who, not, okay.

824
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,480
I'm going to stereotype our audience a little bit here.

825
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:31,720
We've, we've mentioned this before in previous episodes, people who train

826
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:37,080
all the time on guns and who put tens of thousands of rounds in guns every

827
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:43,400
year are probably baked into the front sight focus all the time every day.

828
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:48,280
And they have put that and, and perhaps they've been people who have pressure

829
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,040
tested that against real threats in the real world.

830
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:58,440
I surmise that most of our listeners are not those people and that they want

831
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:03,240
to get the most shooting enjoyment as they can out of their guns for the

832
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:05,000
limited amount of time that they're able to use them.

833
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:12,040
So I'm surmising that most people will, when faced with a real, real

834
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,600
life threatening threat that they have not been able to train against,

835
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:22,680
because it's really hard at a, at a square range where you're testing

836
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,880
against paper or even a picture of a bad guy, you know, it's not a bad guy.

837
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,080
You know that that piece of paper is not going to attack you.

838
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:35,640
In the street, put quotes around that, because you know, you always hear the

839
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,720
phrase, that'll get you killed in the street.

840
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:38,460
Okay.

841
00:42:38,460 --> 00:42:42,620
I don't think that this advice will get you killed in the street, but I think

842
00:42:42,620 --> 00:42:46,860
that people will have a tendency to focus on the thing that is attacking them.

843
00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:53,740
And it will be hard to bring yourself back in the moment to remember to

844
00:42:53,740 --> 00:42:55,260
focus on the front site.

845
00:42:55,420 --> 00:42:59,900
And because of that, since the, the red dot superimposes the

846
00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:04,140
aim point against the target, it's a single focal plane now.

847
00:43:04,380 --> 00:43:07,740
And I think that's the reason why people are so concerned about that.

848
00:43:07,740 --> 00:43:13,580
That's the reason that the red dot is not only the way to go, but also the way to start.

849
00:43:13,660 --> 00:43:17,660
Now, like some people will disagree with that, say, learn the fundamentals first.

850
00:43:17,660 --> 00:43:18,220
That'd be me.

851
00:43:18,620 --> 00:43:19,420
And that would be you.

852
00:43:19,420 --> 00:43:23,340
And I'm not, I don't disrespect that argument because I understand the argument,

853
00:43:23,980 --> 00:43:27,580
but for people who are only going to put a limited number of rounds through their

854
00:43:27,580 --> 00:43:31,980
gun and want to become as effective, as effective as possible, as fast as possible.

855
00:43:31,980 --> 00:43:36,940
To me, it's analogous to, if I were to draw a car analogy, would I rather have a person be

856
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:41,100
able to understand vehicle dynamics with an automatic transmission or learn their way

857
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:44,540
through a manual transmission just because that's a fundamental.

858
00:43:45,420 --> 00:43:49,020
I'd say I'd rather have them learn how to drive the car and let the

859
00:43:49,020 --> 00:43:50,540
car figure out the gear changes.

860
00:43:50,860 --> 00:43:55,340
It's, it's not a perfect analogy, but I think that the analogy is somewhat valid in the

861
00:43:55,340 --> 00:44:01,740
sense that when you're dealing with a potential accident in a car, you know,

862
00:44:01,740 --> 00:44:06,060
you need to worry about breaking, steering, and other vehicles around you.

863
00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:11,660
When you're dealing with a life threatening situation in the street, you're dealing with

864
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:16,140
the threat, the sight picture, what's behind him.

865
00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:22,140
Is it a shot you can actually take safely or not based on your skill, based on the range?

866
00:44:22,140 --> 00:44:27,180
The thing you don't want to also have to think about is changing your focus when you've

867
00:44:27,180 --> 00:44:28,540
already got now tunnel vision.

868
00:44:28,540 --> 00:44:31,740
That's the reason I think that the red dot's the way to go.

869
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:32,460
I get it.

870
00:44:32,460 --> 00:44:38,300
But, and I started out and have to have done a lot of trap and skeet shooting.

871
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:38,780
Okay.

872
00:44:38,780 --> 00:44:43,260
And the thing about trap and skeet is with a shotgun, you do not aim a shotgun.

873
00:44:43,260 --> 00:44:44,540
Sounds counterintuitive.

874
00:44:45,180 --> 00:44:47,420
You point a shotgun.

875
00:44:47,420 --> 00:44:47,900
Yeah.

876
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:49,980
You point it, but you do not aim it.

877
00:44:49,980 --> 00:44:50,460
Yeah.

878
00:44:50,460 --> 00:44:53,260
And that's because you've got all bunch of different factors.

879
00:44:53,260 --> 00:44:58,300
We don't have to go into them here now, but as much of that, I think,

880
00:44:58,300 --> 00:45:03,500
I also find it with a handgun at any distance where you're going to talk about like seven yards

881
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:05,580
or under the famous 21 feet or less.

882
00:45:06,940 --> 00:45:08,620
To me, it's pointing it.

883
00:45:09,260 --> 00:45:14,620
My quickest draw, it would be able to point, and I practice this with both lasers and I've practiced

884
00:45:14,620 --> 00:45:17,180
it at the range, drawing and firing.

885
00:45:17,180 --> 00:45:21,900
And I can pretty much hit a milk jug at 21 feet without aiming.

886
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:28,220
Oh, and that's a really good point too, because there's a certain value in learning

887
00:45:28,860 --> 00:45:32,380
the consistency and quality of the presentation of the weapon.

888
00:45:32,380 --> 00:45:32,780
Yeah.

889
00:45:32,780 --> 00:45:40,140
And that's a body mechanics thing that everyone needs to, even if it's just dry fire or just

890
00:45:40,140 --> 00:45:46,540
drawing practice in your house or at some safe location without using any ammunition,

891
00:45:46,540 --> 00:45:48,300
you need to get the draw down to the point.

892
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:53,420
I mean, I'm going to bring up another controversial person who a lot of people will recoil when they

893
00:45:53,420 --> 00:45:58,300
hear, you know, instructor zero, because a lot of people think he's all about himself and really

894
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:00,940
all he's doing is showing you how good he is.

895
00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:08,220
But that guy has got to the point where his positioning, his entire presentation is good

896
00:46:08,220 --> 00:46:16,940
enough that he can hit targets up to maybe a 10 inch circle at 50 yards with no sights at all.

897
00:46:16,940 --> 00:46:20,940
And that just comes with a lot of practice and it comes with good body mechanics.

898
00:46:20,940 --> 00:46:22,940
So I completely agree.

899
00:46:22,940 --> 00:46:26,220
I could see the argument for minimal sights or no sights on a gun.

900
00:46:26,220 --> 00:46:26,780
Yeah.

901
00:46:26,780 --> 00:46:33,020
I think legally that maybe puts you in a handicap position because then they start talking.

902
00:46:33,020 --> 00:46:37,500
Let's say you have a very motivated district attorney who starts questioning things like,

903
00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:39,820
well, how good is your vision, sir?

904
00:46:39,820 --> 00:46:43,020
And, you know, were you actually able to see the front sight?

905
00:46:43,020 --> 00:46:47,900
Well, if you focused on the front sight and the target went out of focus, are you sure

906
00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:49,580
that that guy was still a threat?

907
00:46:49,580 --> 00:46:50,300
Exactly.

908
00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:55,660
I understand all of that, but I also remember I did have an opportunity to train with some

909
00:46:55,660 --> 00:46:59,740
probation officers and some sheriff's department people in a different state.

910
00:47:00,380 --> 00:47:05,900
And they basically had, you know, drawing from their right hip, for example, which is where

911
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:11,260
they were carrying their nine millimeter drawing it really just barely pivoting it,

912
00:47:11,260 --> 00:47:17,100
not even moving the pistol forward and firing with the pistol actually cocked over about

913
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:19,740
30 or 40 degrees to the right hand side.

914
00:47:19,740 --> 00:47:25,420
Just literally draw, fire two rounds at a target, turn two rounds at another target.

915
00:47:25,420 --> 00:47:26,380
Did they hit him?

916
00:47:26,380 --> 00:47:27,100
Absolutely.

917
00:47:27,820 --> 00:47:32,060
These are stomach shots of like, if you're being surrounded by a gang or something like that,

918
00:47:32,060 --> 00:47:35,340
and you need to draw and drop multiple targets rapidly.

919
00:47:35,980 --> 00:47:37,180
And I was fine with that.

920
00:47:37,180 --> 00:47:39,900
And that was literally, that was just point.

921
00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:43,980
That's the old Chuck Taylor speed rock method.

922
00:47:43,980 --> 00:47:44,460
Yeah.

923
00:47:44,460 --> 00:47:45,580
I remember that.

924
00:47:45,580 --> 00:47:45,820
Yeah.

925
00:47:45,820 --> 00:47:47,900
And if you don't know who Chuck Taylor is, look him up.

926
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:48,460
Great book.

927
00:47:48,460 --> 00:47:53,180
He was one of the earlier, probably well-known trainers out there.

928
00:47:53,180 --> 00:47:58,460
Okay. So you had a, just looking at the clock here, we have about 10 more minutes because

929
00:47:58,460 --> 00:48:02,780
we'd like to stay and dear listeners, we do like to keep this under an hour.

930
00:48:02,780 --> 00:48:05,100
And I didn't mention it before, but you know what?

931
00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:07,820
We also keep this podcast clean.

932
00:48:07,820 --> 00:48:15,740
Any, any mistakes in linguistics that we engage in during the podcast are edited out.

933
00:48:15,740 --> 00:48:20,140
So you, you can, it is safe for women and children.

934
00:48:20,140 --> 00:48:20,640
Absolutely.

935
00:48:21,740 --> 00:48:27,420
But you wanted to cover a, another firearm that you think is a good value proposition.

936
00:48:27,420 --> 00:48:28,300
What was that?

937
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:33,980
Yeah. I was walking through some of the, some of the stores recently, and I basically came across,

938
00:48:33,980 --> 00:48:38,380
you know, what if you just wanted to have fun and learn the basics of the handgun safety

939
00:48:38,380 --> 00:48:39,420
and so forth.

940
00:48:39,420 --> 00:48:43,820
And there are a couple of things that are out there that I just thought were of tremendous value.

941
00:48:43,820 --> 00:48:52,540
One is the Ruger Wrangler, which is a single action, sort of like a 1873,

942
00:48:52,540 --> 00:48:55,420
sort of a peacemaker design in 22 long rifle.

943
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:58,060
It does not have a swing out cylinder.

944
00:48:58,060 --> 00:49:03,260
It has a loading gate that opens on the side and it runs about 200 bucks,

945
00:49:03,260 --> 00:49:06,700
200, 210 bucks, 220 bucks, somewhere in that range.

946
00:49:07,340 --> 00:49:12,060
It is made out of, obviously a steel barrel.

947
00:49:12,060 --> 00:49:16,140
And I think the, the receiver is of a slightly lesser material.

948
00:49:16,140 --> 00:49:21,420
And then I compare that to Ruger's higher and a single action 22, which is a single six

949
00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:25,660
of which I actually own one of the single sixes, which has adjustable sights on the front and the

950
00:49:25,660 --> 00:49:28,700
back and a whole bunch of other very fancy things.

951
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:30,140
It comes around $700.

952
00:49:30,140 --> 00:49:35,900
But the, the Wrangler, which I think for most people is a tremendously valuable gun.

953
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:38,700
It allows you to go out there and shoot six shots at a time.

954
00:49:38,700 --> 00:49:41,980
And you have to unload each one of the brass ones individually.

955
00:49:41,980 --> 00:49:45,020
And the advantage there is number one, you're going to slow down.

956
00:49:45,740 --> 00:49:51,500
And that's one of the reasons why you train initially, like when you're teaching people,

957
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:56,380
you train with a Vultax gun because you want them to slow down and focus on the, on the

958
00:49:56,380 --> 00:49:57,340
essentials.

959
00:49:57,340 --> 00:50:00,140
And it's just flat out a fun gun to shoot.

960
00:50:00,140 --> 00:50:06,460
So the Ruger Wrangler, I would highly recommend and it comes in a six, a six inch or six shot

961
00:50:06,460 --> 00:50:08,860
cylinder, which is excellent.

962
00:50:08,860 --> 00:50:13,020
They are now also baking a, a upgraded version of it.

963
00:50:13,020 --> 00:50:14,060
Just came out with it.

964
00:50:14,060 --> 00:50:18,140
I actually haven't seen one in the storage yet, which comes with both the 22 long rifle

965
00:50:18,140 --> 00:50:20,540
cylinder, as well as the 22 Magnum cylinder.

966
00:50:20,540 --> 00:50:23,580
And I think you can also get adjustable sights on it now.

967
00:50:23,580 --> 00:50:25,500
And that's going to be around $300.

968
00:50:25,500 --> 00:50:31,820
I still think at $300 for a 22 or 22 Magnum pistol.

969
00:50:31,820 --> 00:50:35,340
It is an excellent value and I would highly recommend it to.

970
00:50:35,340 --> 00:50:37,740
Well, what's it, well, I mean, but, but put a number to it.

971
00:50:37,740 --> 00:50:39,020
Let's be objective here.

972
00:50:39,020 --> 00:50:39,820
What's your score?

973
00:50:39,820 --> 00:50:41,180
I think everybody should own one.

974
00:50:41,180 --> 00:50:42,300
So I'm going to put it really high.

975
00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:44,220
I'm going to do about an eight, eight and a half.

976
00:50:44,220 --> 00:50:44,720
Okay.

977
00:50:45,260 --> 00:50:48,060
Yeah, I guess we don't really have a linear scale here, do we?

978
00:50:48,060 --> 00:50:51,020
We have a kind of a, like a bit of a logarithmic scale.

979
00:50:51,020 --> 00:50:52,300
Like getting to 10 is going to be hard.

980
00:50:52,860 --> 00:50:54,940
Yeah, I almost will never go 10.

981
00:50:54,940 --> 00:51:01,500
Okay. And my last product for today is, you know, it kind of, I was going to talk about this

982
00:51:02,060 --> 00:51:07,340
in the next show, but I'm going to move it up and it goes to the discussion about the red

983
00:51:07,340 --> 00:51:10,460
dot that we just have, because I think that this is germane.

984
00:51:10,460 --> 00:51:15,900
I'm going to talk about weapon mounted light and the weapon mounted light that I wanted to

985
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:19,340
highlight is the Olight Balder Mini.

986
00:51:19,340 --> 00:51:25,340
The Balder Mini is a 600 lumen light, which puts it competitive with other lights in its size,

987
00:51:25,340 --> 00:51:28,220
actually a little bit more, the competitively priced.

988
00:51:28,220 --> 00:51:34,300
I won't mention it, but there's another fairly popular brand that costs about the same is 500

989
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:34,860
lumens.

990
00:51:34,860 --> 00:51:38,460
And let me tell you folks something that you may not know.

991
00:51:39,180 --> 00:51:44,700
Do not, do not, do not make a decision on a light based on a small difference in lumens.

992
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:51,580
Lumens is the way people perceive light is, we were just talking about logarithmic scales.

993
00:51:51,580 --> 00:51:52,700
It's a logarithmic scale.

994
00:51:53,340 --> 00:52:00,220
The difference in perception of a 600 lumen and the difference in perception of a 500 lumen light

995
00:52:00,220 --> 00:52:04,780
is not the percentage that you would arithmetically calculate between those two.

996
00:52:04,780 --> 00:52:06,620
It's hardly noticeable at all.

997
00:52:06,620 --> 00:52:11,340
If you want to change the perception of the amount of light, you have to change it by quite a bit.

998
00:52:11,340 --> 00:52:16,460
Same thing goes with noise, which is something that my day job requires expertise in.

999
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:20,620
So a 600 lumen light, it's big brother.

1000
00:52:20,620 --> 00:52:23,180
The Balder S is an 800 lumen light.

1001
00:52:23,180 --> 00:52:30,140
It's physically larger and I would say not worth the extra size because the size of the Balder

1002
00:52:30,140 --> 00:52:35,820
Mini allows it to be mounted and stay flush with a greater range of guns because it's shorter.

1003
00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:36,940
Does it use the same battery?

1004
00:52:37,500 --> 00:52:39,020
I don't know whether it uses.

1005
00:52:39,020 --> 00:52:40,460
Okay, let's back up here.

1006
00:52:40,460 --> 00:52:42,060
I don't know the capacity of the battery.

1007
00:52:42,060 --> 00:52:49,260
The way that Olight does their batteries is they have a magnetically mounted charger

1008
00:52:49,260 --> 00:52:53,260
that really works very well because it's a 360 degree charger.

1009
00:52:53,260 --> 00:52:57,740
It can mount any way you'd like and I don't know what the battery life is.

1010
00:52:57,740 --> 00:52:59,100
So there is that to consider.

1011
00:52:59,100 --> 00:53:03,020
But then again, the light is not unlike a red dot.

1012
00:53:03,020 --> 00:53:04,780
It may not constantly be on.

1013
00:53:04,780 --> 00:53:06,460
It's only going to be on when you tell it to.

1014
00:53:06,460 --> 00:53:10,140
The other thing that why is it try back to the discussion about the red dot?

1015
00:53:10,620 --> 00:53:15,900
We can have a conversation later about the validity or the need to have a weapon mounted

1016
00:53:15,900 --> 00:53:20,620
light or use a handheld light because I think that by itself is a separate topic that maybe

1017
00:53:20,620 --> 00:53:22,940
we'll cover when we have one of our training guests on.

1018
00:53:23,580 --> 00:53:26,140
But at the same time, it also has a laser.

1019
00:53:26,140 --> 00:53:30,300
Now the competition in the same price range does not include the laser.

1020
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:34,780
And you might think, well, why do I need a laser if I've already got sights?

1021
00:53:34,780 --> 00:53:39,340
Or fiber optic sight if I already have a red dot, if I have something like that.

1022
00:53:39,340 --> 00:53:44,700
The reason that you would want a laser on a combination of a laser and a light is under

1023
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:51,420
the assumption that you haven't gone through all the training necessary to become thoroughly

1024
00:53:51,420 --> 00:53:55,100
confident when you're faced with an actual threat in a real life situation.

1025
00:53:55,900 --> 00:54:03,420
And I have seen this work with novice shooters that having the dot on the target becomes

1026
00:54:03,420 --> 00:54:08,540
the thing that you focus on, not just through the optical red dot, if you so choose to put

1027
00:54:08,540 --> 00:54:12,540
that on your gun, but let's say you don't for reasons that you can mention were perfectly

1028
00:54:12,540 --> 00:54:16,140
valid, which it doesn't fit in the holster you want anymore.

1029
00:54:16,540 --> 00:54:18,060
The thing has become larger.

1030
00:54:18,060 --> 00:54:22,940
It's an added expense, but having the laser on there and putting the light and the laser

1031
00:54:22,940 --> 00:54:24,540
on the target does two things.

1032
00:54:25,020 --> 00:54:28,700
It helps disorient the guy looking at you, particularly if I mean, obviously this is

1033
00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:30,540
going to be when it's dark because that's when it matters.

1034
00:54:30,540 --> 00:54:35,340
But these things are bright enough that even in daylight, the light can be disorienting

1035
00:54:35,340 --> 00:54:37,740
and buy you time, which is important.

1036
00:54:38,140 --> 00:54:43,340
But putting that laser on the target allows you to have, you know, maybe not the perfect

1037
00:54:43,340 --> 00:54:48,460
aim point, but a good enough aim point that that becomes the focal point.

1038
00:54:48,460 --> 00:54:53,340
And you no longer have to worry about as much about body positioning, about whether you're

1039
00:54:53,340 --> 00:54:54,460
holding the gun perfectly.

1040
00:54:54,700 --> 00:54:58,860
Maybe you have a hand that's out of commission and now you're doing it one hand, but you

1041
00:54:58,860 --> 00:55:02,220
have a hand and now you're doing it one hand, you're doing it offhand.

1042
00:55:02,860 --> 00:55:06,540
It allows you to get on target quicker with effective shots.

1043
00:55:06,540 --> 00:55:11,100
And that's the reason I think that a laser, I don't, in other words, I don't think there's

1044
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:12,300
a downside to it.

1045
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:13,660
I think there's only upsides.

1046
00:55:13,980 --> 00:55:17,660
I don't think it makes it worse for an experienced shooter.

1047
00:55:17,660 --> 00:55:20,460
I think it makes it better for the inexperienced shooter.

1048
00:55:20,860 --> 00:55:25,100
And admittedly, a lot of people in our audience just don't get the time to shoot off enough.

1049
00:55:25,100 --> 00:55:25,660
That's true.

1050
00:55:25,660 --> 00:55:26,700
So expensive.

1051
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:35,740
And to me, that combination of cost and the light and the laser, to me, it's a nine.

1052
00:55:35,740 --> 00:55:37,180
I straight up nine.

1053
00:55:37,180 --> 00:55:40,780
So we haven't, we haven't got to 10 yet, but it's a nine.

1054
00:55:40,780 --> 00:55:43,740
Do you have anything else you want to cover, Kevin?

1055
00:55:43,740 --> 00:55:46,700
No, I think this will be good for this episode.

1056
00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:50,700
And therefore we will conclude this one.

1057
00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:55,980
I'll tell our listeners that during our, we're going to have our first guest, which is going

1058
00:55:55,980 --> 00:56:02,060
to discuss the value proposition of training and why training is such a valuable opportunity

1059
00:56:02,060 --> 00:56:04,300
and why it's a good investment.

1060
00:56:04,300 --> 00:56:07,020
That's going to be on our very next show.

1061
00:56:07,580 --> 00:56:11,260
And that show should be coming up in next couple of weeks.

1062
00:56:11,260 --> 00:56:15,180
We're still working out the availability of our guests to talk to us.

1063
00:56:15,180 --> 00:56:19,820
And then that will be posted to all the same podcast aggregators.

1064
00:56:19,820 --> 00:56:24,700
If you follow the Facebook page, you can look us up at Frugal Firearms Podcast.

1065
00:56:24,700 --> 00:56:28,860
If you look in Facebook, that's where we have links to every site that we're on.

1066
00:56:28,860 --> 00:56:31,660
And we're on pretty much every aggregator now.

1067
00:56:31,660 --> 00:56:36,540
The big ones, of course, and even some ones that I had never heard of and are less popular.

1068
00:56:36,540 --> 00:56:41,260
But if that's the podcast aggregator you use, then no matter which one it is, please leave

1069
00:56:41,260 --> 00:56:46,700
us a comment, leave us a like, leave us, don't leave us a dislike, but if you have critical

1070
00:56:46,700 --> 00:56:51,180
comments, you can leave those there, or you can email them directly to us at

1071
00:56:51,180 --> 00:56:54,300
frugalfirearmspodcast.gmail.com.

1072
00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:57,500
Again, frugalfirearmspodcast.gmail.com.

1073
00:56:58,620 --> 00:56:59,740
Love to get your input.

1074
00:56:59,740 --> 00:57:04,140
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1075
00:57:04,140 --> 00:57:07,260
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1076
00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:09,260
We're open 24-7.

1077
00:57:09,260 --> 00:57:14,220
Well, we don't read email 24-7, but you can always contact us and we'll get right back to you.

1078
00:57:14,220 --> 00:57:18,540
Either you can address things to either myself, Craig, or to my partner, Ken,

1079
00:57:18,540 --> 00:57:20,060
or just to either of us.

1080
00:57:20,060 --> 00:57:23,740
And we'll monitor that and be very responsive.

1081
00:57:23,740 --> 00:57:25,180
Because we're tailoring this to you.

1082
00:57:25,180 --> 00:57:30,300
We're tailoring this to the person who doesn't have unlimited money and wants to spend it wisely.

1083
00:57:31,660 --> 00:57:32,540
Thank you for your time.

1084
00:57:32,540 --> 00:57:33,820
Ken, any closing comments?

1085
00:57:33,820 --> 00:57:34,140
Nope.

1086
00:57:34,140 --> 00:57:37,420
Thank you for listening and we will talk to you again soon.

1087
00:57:37,420 --> 00:57:37,900
Thank you.

1088
00:57:37,900 --> 00:57:54,380
Thanks much.