WEBVTT 00:00:00.170 --> 00:00:02.850 Well, wait a minute now. Let's just stop for 00:00:02.850 --> 00:00:05.209 a second. How many guns do you have that you 00:00:05.209 --> 00:00:08.630 actually need? Just the one I need when I'm being 00:00:08.630 --> 00:00:34.359 attacked. That's right. Welcome to Episode Zero. 00:00:34.740 --> 00:00:37.700 That's right, Episode Zero of the Fugle Firearms 00:00:37.700 --> 00:00:40.859 Podcast. The podcast that is going to bring you 00:00:40.859 --> 00:00:44.500 awareness of the best values across the shooting 00:00:44.500 --> 00:00:48.299 industry. Because we all have, what? Expenses. 00:00:49.060 --> 00:00:51.619 I'm Craig, and I'm here with my co -host, Ken. 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:53.820 Ken, do you have expenses? Do you spend money 00:00:53.820 --> 00:00:56.280 on things? Oddly enough, I do. What do you spend 00:00:56.280 --> 00:00:59.700 money on, Ken? Not as much on myself as I would 00:00:59.700 --> 00:01:01.719 like or on my hobbies as I'd like. It tends to 00:01:01.719 --> 00:01:04.700 be sucked up by things like gasoline, the Biden 00:01:04.700 --> 00:01:09.719 economy, my falling 401k value, all of the things 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.920 that I thought I had more of and I have less 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:17.200 of now. So do we think that our audience, consisting 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:21.540 of gun enthusiasts, are all people who have unlimited 00:01:21.540 --> 00:01:24.900 amounts of money and would spend every dollar 00:01:24.900 --> 00:01:27.859 they could on guns? Well, I think people would 00:01:27.859 --> 00:01:30.780 like to spend more than they currently spend, 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:33.620 but we want value for a dollar because we know 00:01:33.620 --> 00:01:35.799 how hard it is to earn that dollar in the first 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:38.519 place. And because of that, yeah, we're looking 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:40.060 for things that are in the firearms community 00:01:40.060 --> 00:01:44.040 that are both useful, interesting, and have a 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:47.819 good value. So that is the show philosophy. And 00:01:47.819 --> 00:01:50.280 every episode, our listeners are going to get 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:53.219 exposed to those types of things, those elements 00:01:53.219 --> 00:01:57.000 that extract the most shooting fun and shooting 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:00.439 value for your dollar. But it's not all about 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:03.579 shooting. It's about all the things in the industry 00:02:03.579 --> 00:02:07.219 related to shooting. It could be knives. It could 00:02:07.219 --> 00:02:09.960 be cleaning gear. It could be training opportunities. 00:02:10.259 --> 00:02:13.819 It could be websites. It could be anything. that 00:02:13.819 --> 00:02:17.000 really enhances the shooter's experience. So 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:19.259 what are we going to talk about today, Ken? Being 00:02:19.259 --> 00:02:22.340 episode zero, this is the episode where we introduce 00:02:22.340 --> 00:02:25.419 what we're doing. And then as we get going into 00:02:25.419 --> 00:02:27.939 the podcast in future episodes, we're going to 00:02:27.939 --> 00:02:31.080 have a lot of guests lined up. But today, I think, 00:02:31.099 --> 00:02:33.379 let's tell them, we've told them what the purpose 00:02:33.379 --> 00:02:37.680 is and the philosophy and what to expect. But 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:39.900 what kind of other things that we, what do we 00:02:39.900 --> 00:02:42.409 want to say right up front about that? Well, 00:02:42.430 --> 00:02:45.610 is this legal advice, Ken? Absolutely not. So 00:02:45.610 --> 00:02:48.330 anything that we say here is our what? Personal 00:02:48.330 --> 00:02:51.449 opinion. Our personal opinion only. And if you 00:02:51.449 --> 00:02:54.930 need that kind of information that relates to 00:02:54.930 --> 00:02:57.189 whether something is legal or not, they should 00:02:57.189 --> 00:03:01.520 go to a... Lawyer. And not us. And not us. Exactly. 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:03.780 Because we're not giving legal advice here. And 00:03:03.780 --> 00:03:05.419 we're not going to spend a lot of time on that 00:03:05.419 --> 00:03:08.659 because it's just our opinion. Now, when people 00:03:08.659 --> 00:03:10.659 get back to us, are they going to disagree with 00:03:10.659 --> 00:03:14.840 what we say? Some will. They will. It's the internet. 00:03:15.060 --> 00:03:18.099 They're going to disagree with us. And do we 00:03:18.099 --> 00:03:20.439 like constructive criticism? Absolutely. Do we 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:24.069 like just being trolled on the internet? No. 00:03:24.069 --> 00:03:27.090 No, we don't. So anybody who has constructive 00:03:27.090 --> 00:03:29.889 criticism will have some opportunities to reach 00:03:29.889 --> 00:03:32.349 out at the end of the show. But if you're just 00:03:32.349 --> 00:03:34.169 going to troll us, if you're just going to say, 00:03:34.289 --> 00:03:36.550 you know, you guys are stupid, you don't have 00:03:36.550 --> 00:03:38.490 any idea what you're talking about, you know 00:03:38.490 --> 00:03:40.550 what? There's lots of other podcasts out there. 00:03:40.830 --> 00:03:42.870 But you know what makes this podcast unusual, 00:03:43.150 --> 00:03:47.030 Ken? Well, what would you say, Greg? I would 00:03:47.030 --> 00:03:49.409 say that it's because we're focused just on the 00:03:49.409 --> 00:03:52.789 value proposition. That doesn't mean cheap. Now 00:03:52.789 --> 00:03:56.889 let's talk about what cheap and value are. Ken 00:03:56.889 --> 00:03:59.210 and I have known each other for how many decades 00:03:59.210 --> 00:04:01.469 now? Almost 50 years. Almost 50, yeah, coming 00:04:01.469 --> 00:04:05.590 up on about 50 years. We view value maybe a little 00:04:05.590 --> 00:04:07.870 differently. Ken tends to be a little more on 00:04:07.870 --> 00:04:11.430 the thrifty side of value. Cheap. Okay, cheap. 00:04:12.069 --> 00:04:14.990 And I tend to be a little bit more on the I'll 00:04:14.990 --> 00:04:18.410 spend money to get value side. True. But neither 00:04:18.410 --> 00:04:21.149 of us have unlimited funds. No. And neither of 00:04:21.149 --> 00:04:23.569 us are going to ever have unlimited funds. No. 00:04:23.670 --> 00:04:26.089 So because of that, there's a lot of companies 00:04:26.089 --> 00:04:28.569 that you won't hear talked about on this podcast, 00:04:28.689 --> 00:04:32.050 the ones that don't represent value. We're not 00:04:32.050 --> 00:04:35.670 going to dime out companies that we don't think 00:04:35.670 --> 00:04:39.110 have value because we're going to give companies 00:04:39.110 --> 00:04:41.829 the opportunity to come on and make the case 00:04:41.829 --> 00:04:45.180 that they give value. I used to be really big 00:04:45.180 --> 00:04:48.060 into trap shooting here, and I always wanted 00:04:48.060 --> 00:04:51.639 a Perazzi shotgun. I really did. And Perazzi 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:53.920 shotguns, I think, start at about $15 ,000 to 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:57.060 $20 ,000, and they can go up to a half a million 00:04:57.060 --> 00:04:59.980 dollars. Gorgeous. I've seen them. I've even 00:04:59.980 --> 00:05:02.540 had the opportunity to hold some of them. Would 00:05:02.540 --> 00:05:05.019 love to have them, but they're more artwork than 00:05:05.019 --> 00:05:07.180 they are something functional that I would use. 00:05:07.790 --> 00:05:09.970 So that would be a company that we probably won't 00:05:09.970 --> 00:05:12.050 be hosting on the show. No, we will not have 00:05:12.050 --> 00:05:14.430 Perazzi here. Now, does that mean that Perazzi 00:05:14.430 --> 00:05:17.430 is a bad value for everyone? If you got the money, 00:05:17.550 --> 00:05:19.870 I mean, there are people, I see people, I was 00:05:19.870 --> 00:05:24.170 over by the beach just yesterday, and people 00:05:24.170 --> 00:05:26.370 were driving up and down the coast, and a Ferrari, 00:05:26.670 --> 00:05:29.589 which was a bright red Ferrari, I don't even 00:05:29.589 --> 00:05:31.329 know the model number of it, but I'm looking 00:05:31.329 --> 00:05:34.589 at it going, it's at least $300 ,000, probably 00:05:34.589 --> 00:05:38.670 a $500 ,000 car, and he was driving slow. Why? 00:05:38.970 --> 00:05:42.430 I think because he wanted to be seen. And people 00:05:42.430 --> 00:05:45.540 want to do that, that's fine, but again, The 00:05:45.540 --> 00:05:48.000 person driving the Toyota was, you know, at a 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:51.439 fraction of the cost, was getting by just fine. 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:55.199 But what do I drive? Well, now, that's an interesting 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:58.899 statement right there. You do drive a 10 -cylinder, 00:05:58.899 --> 00:06:04.319 naturally aspirated Audi supercar. I do not. 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:07.319 But for me, that was value. It was value, yes. 00:06:07.660 --> 00:06:09.480 So, you see, there are different perspectives 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:11.600 on value, and we're not here to say that anyone 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:15.370 else's perspective on value is wrong. But again, 00:06:15.589 --> 00:06:19.569 and Ken didn't mention I bought that Audi used, 00:06:19.769 --> 00:06:22.670 so I saved a lot of money on that. But we could 00:06:22.670 --> 00:06:25.329 both point out that we both own the first vehicle 00:06:25.329 --> 00:06:28.870 that we ever bought in our lives. That is a true 00:06:28.870 --> 00:06:31.250 statement. Yeah, for you, a GTO, and for me, 00:06:31.310 --> 00:06:35.019 a 73 Cuda. Yep, 73 Cuda and a 67 Pontiac GTO. 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:38.879 Exactly. So, in this week's episode, we're going 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:40.899 to be covering a few different items that we 00:06:40.899 --> 00:06:44.740 think represent good value. And at the end, we're 00:06:44.740 --> 00:06:46.879 going to give you, again, a little opportunity 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:49.879 to reach out, make the show better. There's no 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:53.220 Patreon site yet. There's no advertisements on 00:06:53.220 --> 00:07:00.259 the show as of yet. But we are interested in 00:07:00.259 --> 00:07:02.779 feedback and we are interested, of course, in 00:07:02.779 --> 00:07:05.000 hosting companies that we think represent value 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:09.279 on the show. So without further ado, my first 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:15.420 item up is the LaRue MBT2S two -stage trigger. 00:07:15.579 --> 00:07:19.000 Now, I'm a two -stage guy. I happen to think 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:22.259 that trigger for its price point is fantastic. 00:07:22.540 --> 00:07:25.860 Out of the box, don't need a gunsmith to do anything 00:07:25.860 --> 00:07:29.990 to that. Incredible reset, minimal take -up, 00:07:30.009 --> 00:07:34.149 consistent, perfect if you don't mind having 00:07:34.149 --> 00:07:36.990 something that's not a drop -in trigger. For 00:07:36.990 --> 00:07:40.370 drop -in triggers, I just became aware that TriggerTech 00:07:40.370 --> 00:07:43.370 has now come out, and you say TriggerTech, for 00:07:43.370 --> 00:07:45.610 those who are familiar with TriggerTech, who 00:07:45.610 --> 00:07:47.829 claim to have, by the way, no friction because 00:07:47.829 --> 00:07:51.689 they use bearings and not sliding surfaces in 00:07:51.689 --> 00:07:54.509 their triggers. Why would TriggerTech be a value 00:07:54.509 --> 00:07:57.029 proposition? Because they have a new trigger 00:07:57.029 --> 00:07:58.910 that hopefully will get TriggerTech representatives 00:07:58.910 --> 00:08:01.629 on the show at some point to talk about their 00:08:01.629 --> 00:08:05.730 product, which is a very inexpensive, also a 00:08:05.730 --> 00:08:08.370 two -stage trigger, which I prefer. That's a 00:08:08.370 --> 00:08:11.949 drop -in that actually is, for them, very, very 00:08:11.949 --> 00:08:15.050 inexpensive. Interested in finding out what listeners 00:08:15.050 --> 00:08:18.879 use and what they like? Again, I'm a two -stage 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:21.000 guy. Ken, you're a single -stage guy, aren't 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:24.759 you? Tend to be. Again, I'm not doing many match 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:26.899 competitions where you're going to be firing, 00:08:26.980 --> 00:08:29.519 you know, four, six, eight hundred, a thousand 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:32.340 yards. I do have a few things that will reach 00:08:32.340 --> 00:08:36.419 out that far. But, yeah, I mean, I pretty much 00:08:36.419 --> 00:08:39.840 want it to be. consistent, the same every time, 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:43.120 and I want it to be just the same feel. It's 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:45.500 what I grew up with. It's what I have. It's what 00:08:45.500 --> 00:08:48.220 I like. Not that I'm saying I couldn't come to 00:08:48.220 --> 00:08:51.000 really enjoy a two -stage trigger, but I think 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:54.840 I would have to probably have a higher end, maybe 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:59.419 some sort of a match rifle with glass on it, 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:03.240 scope on it, which probably would cost as much, 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:05.990 if not more, than the rifle itself. then I'd 00:09:05.990 --> 00:09:08.090 probably be much more into a two -stage trigger. 00:09:08.370 --> 00:09:10.909 Very often that's the case, obviously, with glass, 00:09:10.990 --> 00:09:15.149 and unfortunately so. Actually, scopes is going 00:09:15.149 --> 00:09:16.610 to be something that we're going to concentrate 00:09:16.610 --> 00:09:20.370 a lot on. In my show notes, I have another product 00:09:20.370 --> 00:09:23.470 I wanted to talk about in here, which is Athlon 00:09:23.470 --> 00:09:25.870 scopes. I'm not going to jump to that right now, 00:09:25.990 --> 00:09:28.330 but I am going to go back to your point about 00:09:28.330 --> 00:09:32.049 long -range match shooting. You've seen me shoot. 00:09:32.129 --> 00:09:37.129 How well do I shoot? You're okay. I'm okay, yeah. 00:09:37.669 --> 00:09:41.830 I'm like a three MOA guy. That's kind of a good 00:09:41.830 --> 00:09:45.370 day. Oh, good. You hit the center. Yeah, I made 00:09:45.370 --> 00:09:49.549 it go bang it or gong it 200 yards. That's me. 00:09:49.830 --> 00:09:52.009 But I like the two -stage trigger because I like 00:09:52.009 --> 00:09:54.950 the feel of the take -up and pre -staging it. 00:09:55.210 --> 00:09:57.070 so that I sort of know the next thing that's 00:09:57.070 --> 00:09:58.889 going to happen. The brake. It's going to break. 00:09:59.649 --> 00:10:02.429 That, to me, is good. Actually, there was a new 00:10:02.429 --> 00:10:04.850 trigger at SHOT Show this year, which is a zero 00:10:04.850 --> 00:10:08.350 -brake trigger. How so? How so? Electronic. It 00:10:08.350 --> 00:10:11.529 simply uses a strain gauge in the trigger, and 00:10:11.529 --> 00:10:14.870 as you pull back, it simply measures the strain 00:10:14.870 --> 00:10:17.590 and then releases. when it hits a certain point. 00:10:17.690 --> 00:10:20.370 Probably programmable, too. Yes, it is programmable. 00:10:20.470 --> 00:10:23.929 And it is not something that I was able to try 00:10:23.929 --> 00:10:26.889 when I was there. But, I mean, a zero -break 00:10:26.889 --> 00:10:29.490 trigger is an interesting item. That's reminiscent 00:10:29.490 --> 00:10:33.929 of, I think, Remington had some electronic primered 00:10:33.929 --> 00:10:37.330 firearms a few years ago where they basically, 00:10:37.490 --> 00:10:40.269 instead of having a primer hit, you know, you 00:10:40.269 --> 00:10:42.289 had a hammer and a firing pin hitting the primer, 00:10:42.490 --> 00:10:46.340 it used an electronic signal. which actually, 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:50.259 when you're shooting 1 ,000 yards, even the movement 00:10:50.259 --> 00:10:53.960 of a hammer moving forward and hitting a firing 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:57.379 pin can actually cause you to have an adjustment 00:10:57.379 --> 00:11:01.539 of a foot or more at 1 ,000 yards. So an electronic 00:11:01.539 --> 00:11:04.519 trigger or electronic primer and maybe an electronic 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:09.019 trigger would be very helpful for that. It would 00:11:09.019 --> 00:11:11.759 be, yeah. And again, maybe a product that I'll 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:14.519 never own because the truth of the matter is, 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:17.580 How often do we get out and shoot? Now, I'll 00:11:17.580 --> 00:11:20.200 tell our listeners another little interesting 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:23.500 point here, maybe not that interesting. We're 00:11:23.500 --> 00:11:26.259 not former military. We're not tier one guys. 00:11:26.659 --> 00:11:29.919 Our training is what we've paid for, not something 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:33.039 an institution has given to us. And a lot of 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:36.500 it has been just exposure across the industry 00:11:36.500 --> 00:11:40.259 for decades. And because of that, you know, our 00:11:40.259 --> 00:11:43.659 burn rate on ammunition, which obviously is now 00:11:43.659 --> 00:11:46.500 more expensive than any of us would like, sort 00:11:46.500 --> 00:11:49.179 of constrains our ability to get out. And that's 00:11:49.179 --> 00:11:51.519 part of the reason that was the genesis for this 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:54.460 podcast was trying to get the most out of every 00:11:54.460 --> 00:11:57.580 round you send down range, whether that be at 00:11:57.580 --> 00:11:59.620 a square range and you're simply punching paper, 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:02.980 whether it's something more dynamic. But if you're 00:12:02.980 --> 00:12:05.440 buying things that, you know, if you're the person 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:08.590 who is going to be. quote, an operator, and I 00:12:08.590 --> 00:12:10.590 don't mean that in a pejorative sense, or if 00:12:10.590 --> 00:12:14.990 you legitimately use your guns every day in the 00:12:14.990 --> 00:12:17.629 course of your duties, law enforcement officers, 00:12:17.809 --> 00:12:19.990 things like that, there'll be a lot of stuff 00:12:19.990 --> 00:12:21.970 in this show that might apply and a lot that 00:12:21.970 --> 00:12:25.309 absolutely will not. This is for the guys who 00:12:25.309 --> 00:12:28.440 have the guns in the safe that they want. to 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:32.059 make better, that probably sit in the safe most 00:12:32.059 --> 00:12:34.779 of the time, that don't come out except maybe 00:12:34.779 --> 00:12:37.460 on weekends. That's our target audience. It's 00:12:37.460 --> 00:12:39.879 the guys who really want to have something better 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:42.000 that they can afford because they also have to 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:44.580 buy gas and food. Exactly. I mean, that's one 00:12:44.580 --> 00:12:46.440 of the big reasons why a number of years ago 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:50.850 I got into reloading. And initially, it was, 00:12:50.850 --> 00:12:53.870 depending on what caliber you're shooting, it 00:12:53.870 --> 00:12:56.330 really wasn't a value proposition at the time 00:12:56.330 --> 00:12:57.789 because the ammunition was relatively inexpensive. 00:12:58.590 --> 00:13:01.450 And, you know, with reloading, there is an initial 00:13:01.450 --> 00:13:03.870 investment. You know, you've got to buy a press. 00:13:04.169 --> 00:13:06.850 You've got to buy dies. You've got to, you know, 00:13:06.870 --> 00:13:08.809 there's a whole bunch of things. You can get 00:13:08.809 --> 00:13:12.529 into reloading for about $100 on the low end, 00:13:12.610 --> 00:13:15.700 you know, to reload. And then you can take it 00:13:15.700 --> 00:13:19.679 up to the multi thousands of dollars or more 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:23.879 to really get into high volume reloading. And 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:27.320 I'm still using a, it's a single stage press 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:29.480 with a, with a turret on it. So I basically, 00:13:29.580 --> 00:13:32.220 it's a seven position reading. It's a high quality 00:13:32.220 --> 00:13:35.600 item and I can reload virtually everything I 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:37.940 have. And there are certain calibers I have to 00:13:37.940 --> 00:13:41.120 do that with because I've got some oddball character 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:45.600 calibers that are, When you go out into the commercial 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:50.659 market, there are $7 to $10 a round. I don't 00:13:50.659 --> 00:13:55.039 want to spend $7 to $10 a round, but I do want 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:58.120 to occasionally shoot this monstrosity that I 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:02.480 have acquired over the years. You've got to be 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:05.840 a reloader if you're going to do that. I don't 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:08.980 have any of those guns you're talking about. 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:12.620 I don't necessarily aspire to either because 00:14:13.980 --> 00:14:16.480 My collection is a lot smaller than yours. For 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.379 dear listeners, Ken's collection is substantial, 00:14:20.620 --> 00:14:23.779 and mine is less substantial. He spends it on 00:14:23.779 --> 00:14:25.879 supercars. I spend it on other things. I spend 00:14:25.879 --> 00:14:30.279 it on all kinds of things. But, you know, kids' 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:34.639 education, for one thing. That's true. How much 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:38.919 beer have you had recently, Ken? That's a good 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:43.080 question. Over 60 years of age now, and I have 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:46.559 never once had an alcoholic beverage of any type. 00:14:46.659 --> 00:14:48.539 And that's not a religious reason or something 00:14:48.539 --> 00:14:51.299 like that. That is a personal decision I made 00:14:51.299 --> 00:14:55.179 early in life. And how much money have I saved? 00:14:55.179 --> 00:14:58.600 I'm not buying beer or alcohol, lo these six 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:01.720 decades. Sure. And in my garage that Ken has 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:04.340 seen many times, I have a bottle collection of 00:15:04.340 --> 00:15:07.740 over 750 bottles. And every one of those bottles 00:15:07.740 --> 00:15:11.580 is one that I personally consumed. So, yeah, 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:14.720 there are differences in how we view value. What 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:17.600 product do you want to bring up first? Oh, I 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:20.860 don't know. I've got all sorts of things that 00:15:20.860 --> 00:15:24.940 we can talk about. But, for example, I was approached 00:15:24.940 --> 00:15:28.659 recently by a friend's wife. He passed away of 00:15:28.659 --> 00:15:31.100 pancreatic cancer, quite sad, at the age of 63. 00:15:31.860 --> 00:15:35.919 And his wife, now alone in a house and feeling 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:39.519 like she wanted to own her first firearm. And 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:42.940 she was looking for a value firearm. And I said, 00:15:42.980 --> 00:15:47.100 okay. I tend to be, for new shooters and for 00:15:47.100 --> 00:15:49.340 anybody who's getting into the shooting sports, 00:15:49.559 --> 00:15:53.360 I tend to be a revolver guy first. I tell them, 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:56.200 revolver first, and then you want to move on 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:59.519 to something else. I'm highly encouraged. But 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:02.519 the reason I say that is... If it's 3 o 'clock 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:04.279 in the morning, you're waking up out of a dead 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:08.500 sleep, and you grab a 1911 or something like 00:16:08.500 --> 00:16:11.519 that, maybe you hit the wrong button, you drop 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:14.799 the magazine out, and it hits the floor or whatever. 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.240 They're just more complicated. Or you had to 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:20.460 rack the slide, or you got a failure to feed, 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:23.639 or who knows what. Whereas a revolver, you just 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:26.620 pick it up, and you squeeze the trigger, and 00:16:26.620 --> 00:16:29.440 it will go bang. five or six or seven times or 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:30.860 whatever, how many rounds are in it, whatever 00:16:30.860 --> 00:16:33.840 caliber. So one of the ones that I had suggested 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:40.259 to my friend's wife was a Taurus, which I think 00:16:40.259 --> 00:16:42.399 is a very good value proposition. And again, 00:16:42.539 --> 00:16:45.139 when firearms are offered in blue steel or stainless 00:16:45.139 --> 00:16:47.759 steel, and the stainless steel is usually $20 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:51.240 or $30 more, I will say always buy the stainless 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:54.360 steel version of the gun. Just for the fact that 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:56.360 it's going to be a slightly lower maintenance. 00:16:56.480 --> 00:16:58.279 You don't get to clean it right when you get 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:02.960 back from the range or the bag gets wet somehow, 00:17:03.379 --> 00:17:05.460 something spills on it. You're not going to pull 00:17:05.460 --> 00:17:08.680 out a rifle or a pistol that's got surface rust 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:11.220 all over it, which can ruin the value of a firearm. 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:14.180 Not that I sell a whole lot of stuff, but you 00:17:14.180 --> 00:17:15.859 don't want to ruin the value of it and you want 00:17:15.859 --> 00:17:18.960 to keep your firearm. So I tend to be a revolver 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:21.769 guy first and stainless steel. And the one I 00:17:21.769 --> 00:17:26.130 suggested was a Taurus Model 856, which was a 00:17:26.130 --> 00:17:28.849 six -shot .38 special revolver. Now, how many 00:17:28.849 --> 00:17:31.849 people in the audience just grimaced when my 00:17:31.849 --> 00:17:34.109 partner Ken just said Taurus? Because Taurus 00:17:34.109 --> 00:17:36.410 does have a certain reputation that doesn't necessarily 00:17:36.410 --> 00:17:40.230 put them in a good light. But Taurus actually 00:17:40.230 --> 00:17:43.089 has turned a lot of things around. In conversations 00:17:43.089 --> 00:17:46.170 at the SHOT Show I had, the quality assurance 00:17:46.170 --> 00:17:49.450 side of the house has figured it out based on 00:17:49.450 --> 00:17:52.109 new management. And they really are, you know, 00:17:52.109 --> 00:17:54.970 trying to, they know where their weaknesses are 00:17:54.970 --> 00:17:57.750 and they're trying to repair that image. And 00:17:57.750 --> 00:17:59.630 they're trying to do so objectively, not just 00:17:59.630 --> 00:18:01.910 through advertising or something like that. So, 00:18:01.930 --> 00:18:04.569 you know, good on you. And, you know, again, 00:18:04.809 --> 00:18:09.009 are you going to recommend that Taurus, the one 00:18:09.009 --> 00:18:11.349 that's sitting right in front of you on the table, 00:18:11.450 --> 00:18:13.769 are you going to recommend that particular Taurus 00:18:13.769 --> 00:18:17.210 to a guy who is going to be out, you know, in 00:18:17.210 --> 00:18:20.779 pitched gun battles every week? Probably no. 00:18:21.019 --> 00:18:25.839 Okay, but if it's a purse gun or in the safe 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:28.099 next to the bed or something like that, is it 00:18:28.099 --> 00:18:29.640 going to go bang when you pull that trigger? 00:18:29.900 --> 00:18:31.779 Six times. It's going to go bang when you pull 00:18:31.779 --> 00:18:33.880 that trigger. And that's really the important 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:36.559 thing to remember here, which is that if she 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:39.660 was presented with, you told her she had to go 00:18:39.660 --> 00:18:45.369 get company XYZ's 1911. you know, tricked out. 00:18:45.430 --> 00:18:47.609 And by the way, you have to send it in for a 00:18:47.609 --> 00:18:51.029 trigger job and new springs. Race tuning. And 00:18:51.029 --> 00:18:54.769 checkering and so on. And you're only going to 00:18:54.769 --> 00:18:58.430 be out $2 ,000 on this gun. Would she have a 00:18:58.430 --> 00:19:02.009 gun right now? No. This, the value gun here, 00:19:02.109 --> 00:19:04.950 it was on sale at the opening of a recent gun 00:19:04.950 --> 00:19:10.690 store here in our town here. And it was $299. 00:19:12.009 --> 00:19:14.809 And I went down to take a look at it, and I said, 00:19:14.910 --> 00:19:19.730 it's great. It's not a high -end Smith & Wesson 00:19:19.730 --> 00:19:23.069 or something like that, but at $299 for a stainless 00:19:23.069 --> 00:19:26.970 steel .38 special revolver, which will spend... 00:19:27.630 --> 00:19:32.509 Probably a couple of weekends a year at the range, 00:19:32.849 --> 00:19:37.170 maybe 100 rounds through it, 200 rounds through 00:19:37.170 --> 00:19:41.750 it most per year. Is this going to be something 00:19:41.750 --> 00:19:46.170 that a woman could rely upon? Absolutely. Become 00:19:46.170 --> 00:19:49.650 proficient at? Absolutely. And a value proposition 00:19:49.650 --> 00:19:52.069 for her? Because she doesn't have a lot of money. 00:19:52.150 --> 00:19:54.789 If you've got a ton of money, you're listening 00:19:54.789 --> 00:19:58.900 to the wrong podcast. Yeah. Well, you can have 00:19:58.900 --> 00:20:01.619 a lot of money and still find value in what we're 00:20:01.619 --> 00:20:03.900 talking about. Because when I mean some of the 00:20:03.900 --> 00:20:05.900 things that I'm planning on talking about in 00:20:05.900 --> 00:20:08.619 the future are things that you might, you know, 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:12.200 I've mentioned TriggerTech. I mean, heretofore, 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:15.480 I would have thought TriggerTech, no way are 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:18.059 they a value company. I mean, they're a top end 00:20:18.059 --> 00:20:20.339 company. Then if I want to spend north of three 00:20:20.339 --> 00:20:24.339 bills on a trigger. Maybe I'll consider that, 00:20:24.420 --> 00:20:26.039 but I don't want to spend north of three bills 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:28.019 on a trigger because I don't use it often enough 00:20:28.019 --> 00:20:31.579 to justify that. And to tell you the truth, being 00:20:31.579 --> 00:20:35.180 the three MOA shooter I am, I don't justify it. 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:38.079 So why not get something a little bit more affordable? 00:20:38.339 --> 00:20:41.039 Right. You know, one of the things I wanted to 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:44.319 talk about, too, having been to a number of shot 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:47.420 shows, a constant person there is Jerry Michalik. 00:20:47.900 --> 00:20:49.680 One thing you might want to tell people who might 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:51.960 not know what the SHOT Show is. You know what? 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:54.980 You're right. The Shooting and Hunting Outdoor 00:20:54.980 --> 00:20:58.579 Trade Show, which is an annual event that happens 00:20:58.579 --> 00:21:01.799 for decades now in Las Vegas. It used to be in 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:05.660 other locations. But the SHOT Show is essentially 00:21:05.660 --> 00:21:09.079 the pinnacle of trade shows in the shooting industry. 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:12.759 It is bigger than the NRA convention in terms 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:16.500 of the number of exhibitors. And this year they've 00:21:16.500 --> 00:21:19.740 expanded. the floor space out into, it is at 00:21:19.740 --> 00:21:22.720 the Palazzo at the Sands Convention Center and 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:26.640 it has spilled over now into the Caesars Forum 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:29.539 and they've massively increased the floor space 00:21:29.539 --> 00:21:32.740 there. It is a trade industry show and both you 00:21:32.740 --> 00:21:35.960 and I are in the trade. It's not a public show, 00:21:36.140 --> 00:21:38.579 so it's not a buyer's show unless you're buying 00:21:38.579 --> 00:21:40.880 large quantities of something. But at the same 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:43.799 time, it does give you exposure to all the industry 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:47.119 insiders. So walking around the SHOT Show for 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:50.500 the purposes that I was there, some of the tangential 00:21:50.500 --> 00:21:53.680 conversations I had, Jerry Michalik was there. 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:55.819 And Jerry, if you don't know who he is, he's 00:21:55.819 --> 00:21:59.160 a fun and really wonderful guy. And by the way, 00:21:59.180 --> 00:22:03.180 his daughter. Lena has really come into her own 00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:05.259 and is standing on her own two feet and not just 00:22:05.259 --> 00:22:07.559 riding her dad's coattails in terms of being 00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:10.140 a legitimate shooting personality, shall we say. 00:22:10.700 --> 00:22:14.079 Jerry is known for his ridiculously fast and 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:17.099 controlled shooting. Preeminent shooter. Probably 00:22:17.099 --> 00:22:20.279 in the country, if not the world, of A. In some 00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:23.200 ways, I mean, I think his competitive days are 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:26.420 well behind him. But, you know, he's still very 00:22:26.420 --> 00:22:29.900 much an influencer. He came up a few years back 00:22:29.900 --> 00:22:33.299 with a compensator for 223. And I know some people 00:22:33.299 --> 00:22:37.259 might say, why would you comp a 223? Well, I'll 00:22:37.259 --> 00:22:40.559 tell you one reason to comp a 223. Ken and I 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:45.319 both live in California. And California views 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:49.819 what dimly? Flash hiders. Because flash hiders 00:22:49.819 --> 00:22:52.279 are evil. They're actually safety equipment, 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:54.140 but they are, yeah, according to that. No, but 00:22:54.140 --> 00:22:57.180 no, no, no, they're evil. Evil. Evil. Evil, so 00:22:57.180 --> 00:23:00.900 says our leadership in Sacramento. Right. But 00:23:00.900 --> 00:23:04.740 the compensator's not. So if you want to have 00:23:04.740 --> 00:23:09.000 a muzzle device on the end of your AR, compensator's 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:12.599 perfectly fine. Yeah, or even on some... Some 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:15.359 bolt -action guns, a lot of firearms these days 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:17.680 are coming with threaded barrels, and you can 00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:20.319 place compensators on almost anything, and it 00:23:20.319 --> 00:23:24.039 actually does increase the pleasurability of 00:23:24.039 --> 00:23:26.660 shooting almost any caliber. Not for the people 00:23:26.660 --> 00:23:28.839 next to you, it doesn't. Well, it depends on 00:23:28.839 --> 00:23:30.460 what it is, but that's true. They do have those 00:23:30.460 --> 00:23:33.660 redirect -forward ones and different styles and 00:23:33.660 --> 00:23:36.579 so forth, but yeah, it's just true. Absolutely, 00:23:36.779 --> 00:23:40.200 and in fact, in the case of Jerry's compensator, 00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:42.700 I ended up having the opportunity to talk to 00:23:42.700 --> 00:23:44.339 him about the design because it's very unique. 00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:46.380 It doesn't have holes on the top. And you think, 00:23:46.460 --> 00:23:47.980 well, how's it going to press the barrel down 00:23:47.980 --> 00:23:50.420 if it doesn't have holes on top? What it has 00:23:50.420 --> 00:23:53.299 is one of the ports is cut differentially where 00:23:53.299 --> 00:23:56.640 it is narrower on the top than it is on the bottom. 00:23:56.680 --> 00:23:59.400 And that creates the downward pressure. Trapezoid. 00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:03.019 Not exactly a trapezoid, but a differential cut 00:24:03.019 --> 00:24:07.279 in one of the vents so that it does create downward 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:09.160 pressure because there's more metal on the bottom 00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:11.740 of the thing than there is on the top. So I asked 00:24:11.740 --> 00:24:13.640 him, you know, how did you come up with this 00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:15.839 design? By the way, there are objective tests 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:19.619 out there that show that Jerry Michalik's compensator 00:24:19.619 --> 00:24:22.359 is one of the most effective on the market. You 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:24.839 don't have to have something that looks like 00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:28.220 it came off a video game. or out of a sci -fi 00:24:28.220 --> 00:24:31.240 movie to have an effective compensator. So how 00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:33.799 did he do that? He said he used the paper test, 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:36.019 and he had told me that a few years ago when 00:24:36.019 --> 00:24:39.079 I went to one of the shows, and I didn't understand 00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:42.339 the paper test. What does that mean? Well, I 00:24:42.339 --> 00:24:45.019 ended up talking to him again this year and asked 00:24:45.019 --> 00:24:47.819 him, you told me the paper test, Jerry, but what 00:24:47.819 --> 00:24:50.160 did you mean by that? He said, oh, I took a piece 00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:52.640 of notepad paper, and I held it in front of the 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:56.470 gun, and I kept... changing the design until 00:24:56.470 --> 00:25:00.630 the paper wouldn't rip, until it was basically 00:25:00.630 --> 00:25:03.130 right, not exactly up against the muzzle, but 00:25:03.130 --> 00:25:05.529 close to the muzzle. And when it didn't rip the 00:25:05.529 --> 00:25:07.950 paper because of the venting gases to the side, 00:25:08.029 --> 00:25:10.589 he goes, I knew I had the right design. Oh, and 00:25:10.589 --> 00:25:13.710 you know how he did it? He started off the design 00:25:13.710 --> 00:25:18.589 using 10 -22 bull barrel blanks that he cut up 00:25:18.589 --> 00:25:20.950 and then milled and then just tried different 00:25:20.950 --> 00:25:25.490 designs. Very inexpensive comp as comps go. There 00:25:25.490 --> 00:25:27.650 are some cheaper. Some are very effective. Some 00:25:27.650 --> 00:25:30.309 are not. But the Jerry Mitchell Compensator, 00:25:30.369 --> 00:25:32.309 highly recommended. Very easy to clean because 00:25:32.309 --> 00:25:34.450 the vents are very large. It doesn't have lots 00:25:34.450 --> 00:25:36.230 of little holes in it that get plugged up with 00:25:36.230 --> 00:25:38.490 carbon and things like that. It just looks great. 00:25:38.789 --> 00:25:41.230 What's another thing you want to discuss? Oh, 00:25:41.230 --> 00:25:42.789 interesting question. I don't know. I have a 00:25:42.789 --> 00:25:44.650 bunch of odd things I could bring in and talk 00:25:44.650 --> 00:25:49.630 about. Bring us something odd. All right. Those 00:25:49.630 --> 00:25:53.559 of you who watch Quigley Down Under. who basically 00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:59.500 watched what an 1874 Buffalo rifle was capable 00:25:59.500 --> 00:26:03.539 of doing. I recently acquired one. Mine is an 00:26:03.539 --> 00:26:06.480 Italian copy of it, but it's considered very 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:10.059 good. And it's not in the original .45 -110 caliber 00:26:10.059 --> 00:26:13.920 or .45 -120 caliber. And what that means is .45 00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:17.400 is the diameter of the bullet, .45 inches basically. 00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:21.279 And then originally a .110 or a .120 would be 00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:26.460 110 grains of black powder. Mine is also in a 00:26:26.460 --> 00:26:30.220 black powder cartridge, but it's the .45 -70, 00:26:30.380 --> 00:26:33.160 which is a .45 caliber with 70 grains of black 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:36.819 powder. And the .45 -70 is one of the few rounds 00:26:36.819 --> 00:26:41.480 which basically successfully made the transition 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:44.880 from the black powder era, which pretty much 00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:49.200 ended about 1900 and made it into the modern 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:52.319 era with the development of smokeless powders. 00:26:52.970 --> 00:26:59.769 And the 4570 today is capable with modern powders, 00:26:59.769 --> 00:27:03.710 modern chemistry, modern smokeless powders, of 00:27:03.710 --> 00:27:07.750 well exceeding the capabilities of a 45110 black 00:27:07.750 --> 00:27:12.450 powder or a 45120 black powder. And so anyway, 00:27:12.509 --> 00:27:15.210 I have it with the double set triggers and the 00:27:15.210 --> 00:27:20.279 octagon barrel. And it's an 800 -yard rifle. 00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:24.900 You're basically lobbing it in because it's going 00:27:24.900 --> 00:27:27.799 to come out the muzzle end probably somewhere 00:27:27.799 --> 00:27:31.200 around the 1600, depending on if you hot load 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:33.599 it, maybe up to 2 ,000 or so feet per second. 00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:37.579 And you're going to be lobbing a very heavy 500 00:27:37.579 --> 00:27:42.420 -grain and anywhere from 350 to 550 -grain lead 00:27:42.420 --> 00:27:47.079 projectile in a fairly large arc. over a distance 00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:51.740 of 800 to 1 ,000 yards, but actually they do 00:27:51.740 --> 00:27:54.039 work. And there have been some phenomenal shots 00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:58.079 that have been made and have been verified. There 00:27:58.079 --> 00:27:59.640 was one that was done actually with an original 00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:04.400 1874 back in the day, and I think they measured 00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:07.460 the shot at something like 1 ,800 yards. You 00:28:07.460 --> 00:28:11.180 can actually look that up. 1 ,800 yards. 1 ,800 00:28:11.180 --> 00:28:15.630 yards, yeah. Probably didn't have a lot of kinetic 00:28:15.630 --> 00:28:18.410 energy left at that point, I would imagine. Yeah, 00:28:18.710 --> 00:28:24.890 it was enough. That was a battle that occurred. 00:28:25.170 --> 00:28:26.730 And you can read about it. I could look it up 00:28:26.730 --> 00:28:28.950 for you if we needed to. What did you spend on 00:28:28.950 --> 00:28:31.650 this rifle, though? I got it. Because we're talking 00:28:31.650 --> 00:28:33.549 value here, right? So what's the value proposition? 00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:38.259 I did. A value proposition, it's a copy. It's 00:28:38.259 --> 00:28:41.759 not an original. It's a copy. And I was able 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:44.960 to pick it up for a reasonable price of under 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.599 $1 ,000. And the advantage is the fact that it 00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:51.579 was done with modern steel and modern brass, 00:28:51.779 --> 00:28:53.279 and it's a modern reproduction. So basically, 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:58.099 it's a brand new gun with better quality parts, 00:28:58.180 --> 00:29:00.950 better... Case hardening better everything. It's 00:29:00.950 --> 00:29:03.210 beautiful. Wood's gorgeous. Everything's gorgeous 00:29:03.210 --> 00:29:06.829 about it. This is one of these situations of, 00:29:06.849 --> 00:29:11.769 did I need it? No. Well, wait a minute now. Let's 00:29:11.769 --> 00:29:14.509 just stop for a second. How many guns do you 00:29:14.509 --> 00:29:18.049 have that you actually need? Just the one I need 00:29:18.049 --> 00:29:20.509 when I'm being attacked. That's right. That I 00:29:20.509 --> 00:29:24.599 need to defend myself or my family. But no, this 00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:28.500 was a bit of a splurge, but it was something 00:29:28.500 --> 00:29:32.079 I wanted to acquire. If you've watched the Quigley 00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:36.339 Down Under movie, you kind of get to appreciate 00:29:36.339 --> 00:29:41.200 what Tom Selleck did there in the movie. I actually 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:43.480 saw the original Quigley rifle that he used in 00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:46.680 the movie at the National Firearms Museum a number 00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:49.920 of years ago. That was at the NRA Museum just 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.279 outside of Washington, D .C. When I visited, 00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.500 they had the rifle there. I think it's since 00:29:55.500 --> 00:29:59.599 been moved, possibly even auctioned off to somebody. 00:29:59.619 --> 00:30:02.079 I think it was actually auctioned off to someone 00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:04.400 and got many thousands of dollars for a very 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:09.839 good cause. But anyway, great fun. Mainly it's 00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:12.279 something you take to the range and you will 00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:16.000 all of a sudden draw a huge amount of attention 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:19.039 from people who've never seen one and are very 00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:22.890 interested in wanting to shoot one. And that's 00:30:22.890 --> 00:30:25.710 one of those guns that I have that has no practical 00:30:25.710 --> 00:30:30.029 purpose, but the value to me is more experiential 00:30:30.029 --> 00:30:33.289 on what people are going to... It's a talking 00:30:33.289 --> 00:30:34.769 thing, something we can talk to and make friends 00:30:34.769 --> 00:30:37.660 with. People come over. Yeah, and that's a value 00:30:37.660 --> 00:30:42.279 all to itself, really. The ability to generate 00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:45.900 and maintain relationships is important. The 00:30:45.900 --> 00:30:47.960 last one I'm going to talk about today, and by 00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:50.019 the way, I don't think we mentioned this. This 00:30:50.019 --> 00:30:52.720 is episode zero, after all. Our goal here is 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:55.859 to try to keep this show always under an hour, 00:30:55.940 --> 00:30:59.160 because maybe you have other podcasts you want 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:01.160 to listen to, or perhaps you just have other 00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.480 things to do, because after all, you're probably 00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:06.400 still earning money. just like Ken and I still 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.539 are. But we do want to keep this to, you know, 00:31:09.539 --> 00:31:12.900 notionally in the 40 minute to one hour time 00:31:12.900 --> 00:31:15.259 period, and certainly not more than that. And 00:31:15.259 --> 00:31:17.619 we're coming up pretty close on that number right 00:31:17.619 --> 00:31:20.299 now. But I did want to bring up another site 00:31:20.299 --> 00:31:23.920 that I think is worth jumping into. For those 00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:26.039 who are looking for sort of the clearinghouse, 00:31:26.180 --> 00:31:27.720 at least I think it's the best clearinghouse 00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:31.039 of gun cost information, there's a couple of 00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:38.859 them. There's guns .deals. Also has an app that 00:31:38.859 --> 00:31:43.019 you can get that's very handy. It looks and behaves 00:31:43.019 --> 00:31:46.200 a lot like wiki arms that allows you to put in 00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:51.859 a model or a parameter or a manufacturer or just 00:31:51.859 --> 00:31:55.220 simply look at the latest updates. and find good 00:31:55.220 --> 00:31:58.420 deals across the industry for any given model. 00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:02.519 And then it provides links and rankings of each 00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:06.000 of the, by cost by the way, of the thing you're 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:10.339 looking for no matter where it is. So just from 00:32:10.339 --> 00:32:12.720 a philosophical point of view, am I the kind 00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:15.500 of person who would say do that and don't support 00:32:15.500 --> 00:32:19.299 your local dealer? No, I wouldn't say that. But 00:32:19.299 --> 00:32:22.059 a lot of times the gun that you really want isn't 00:32:22.059 --> 00:32:25.809 in stock locally. A lot of times, the wait list 00:32:25.809 --> 00:32:27.890 might be very long to get the thing you want. 00:32:27.970 --> 00:32:30.289 But maybe that thing is in an adjacent state. 00:32:30.349 --> 00:32:31.910 Maybe it's on the other side of the country. 00:32:32.289 --> 00:32:35.789 And you still don't forget patronizing those 00:32:35.789 --> 00:32:39.890 FFLs by using those local people to do the transfers 00:32:39.890 --> 00:32:42.650 for you. And I think that that's an important 00:32:42.650 --> 00:32:45.049 part of their business model and one that should 00:32:45.049 --> 00:32:47.869 be facilitated. You shouldn't have to feel that 00:32:47.869 --> 00:32:50.789 just because your local store doesn't have gun 00:32:50.789 --> 00:32:55.509 XYZ with ABC, extras on it that is the exact 00:32:55.509 --> 00:32:57.549 model you're looking for that you can't have 00:32:57.549 --> 00:33:01.210 the thing you want. Use the power of Gun .Deals 00:33:01.210 --> 00:33:03.970 or WikiArms to be able to go out and find that. 00:33:04.609 --> 00:33:07.029 Another site that I want to bring up that kind 00:33:07.029 --> 00:33:09.549 of goes to the center of the value proposition 00:33:09.549 --> 00:33:12.710 is Dvor .com. If you're familiar with Dvor, and 00:33:12.710 --> 00:33:18.349 Dvor is D -V -O -R. So Delta Victor Oscar Romeo 00:33:18.349 --> 00:33:22.089 dot com. They're a sort of a subsidiary, if you 00:33:22.089 --> 00:33:25.049 will, of Optics Planet and their sites where 00:33:25.049 --> 00:33:29.210 prices are lower on Devor. The downside of Devor 00:33:29.210 --> 00:33:32.130 is you better know what you want because they 00:33:32.130 --> 00:33:35.049 don't accept returns. So this isn't the Amazon 00:33:35.049 --> 00:33:37.609 Prime model of I got it. I didn't like it. I 00:33:37.609 --> 00:33:40.910 sent it back. This is the model of you got it 00:33:40.910 --> 00:33:43.420 and you're keeping it. Or if you're selling it 00:33:43.420 --> 00:33:46.000 on the secondary market. And they also pretty 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:47.940 much never offer free shipping except a couple 00:33:47.940 --> 00:33:50.710 times a year. And the shipping is a flat $10 00:33:50.710 --> 00:33:54.589 per order, irrespective of what you order. But 00:33:54.589 --> 00:33:56.630 DeVore .com is something that you should be aware 00:33:56.630 --> 00:33:59.450 of to go out and find deals. And they post new 00:33:59.450 --> 00:34:02.150 categories of deals all the time. And when they 00:34:02.150 --> 00:34:04.950 sell out, don't despair because you can put in 00:34:04.950 --> 00:34:07.069 a request for something and then you can get 00:34:07.069 --> 00:34:09.650 notification when that item comes back online 00:34:09.650 --> 00:34:11.809 again. And in fact, they'll send you an advance 00:34:11.809 --> 00:34:13.570 notification that it's going to be coming up 00:34:13.570 --> 00:34:15.960 in a few days. Got any other products for us 00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:18.599 today, Ken, in today's episode? Nothing specific, 00:34:18.820 --> 00:34:21.139 but I got some good ideas for upcoming episodes. 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.440 Okay. So we're going to cover that later. So 00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:27.500 what do we do going forward? Again, this is, 00:34:27.500 --> 00:34:31.219 by the way, a collector's edition of this episode 00:34:31.219 --> 00:34:34.039 because it is episode zero. And how many podcasts 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:36.260 have you listened to that have an episode zero? 00:34:36.860 --> 00:34:40.119 You can reach both Ken or myself. We're just 00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:42.760 sharing a common email address to keep it simple, 00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:47.900 so we both keep an eye on it. And it's frugalfirearmspodcast 00:34:47.900 --> 00:34:52.760 at gmail .com. Again, frugalfirearmspodcast, 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:56.550 all one word. at gmail .com. We're going to have 00:34:56.550 --> 00:34:59.769 this posted to all of the various aggregators 00:34:59.769 --> 00:35:02.309 for podcasts, so you should be able to find it 00:35:02.309 --> 00:35:04.730 on Spotify, iTunes, and elsewhere. If you are 00:35:04.730 --> 00:35:06.969 interested in commenting on the show, we kind 00:35:06.969 --> 00:35:08.710 of laid out our rules on that at the beginning, 00:35:08.829 --> 00:35:12.210 that we're looking for constructive input, constructive 00:35:12.210 --> 00:35:15.559 criticism. We're also looking for potential guests. 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:17.880 We're looking for potential advertisers. But 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:20.599 right now, there aren't any of those. So it's 00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:23.920 just for your enjoyment. But if you are representing 00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:27.440 a company or a service, perhaps training, perhaps 00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:30.820 other types of things, ancillary to the firearms 00:35:30.820 --> 00:35:33.039 industry, and you're interested in being on the 00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:35.719 show, the show is definitely being structured 00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:38.639 around the idea of having guests every week. 00:35:38.739 --> 00:35:41.019 So with that, we'll go ahead and sign off and 00:35:41.019 --> 00:35:44.380 look for you. Next time, thank you for listening. 00:35:44.579 --> 00:35:45.380 Thank you very much.