WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.339 i adopted this rule pretty early on that whenever 00:00:02.339 --> 00:00:05.900 some uh some atrocity happens some active shooter 00:00:05.900 --> 00:00:09.000 event or some terrorist event and i find myself 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:13.179 really feeling that kind of helplessness what 00:00:13.179 --> 00:00:17.620 i do with that is i go buy the next thing i should 00:00:17.620 --> 00:00:21.739 buy not the next thing i want to buy some entertainment 00:00:21.739 --> 00:00:24.660 piece but that's when i go and i get that tourniquet 00:00:24.660 --> 00:00:27.480 i get that class i get that cool fire trainer 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:30.280 you know i i get the thing that is less sexy 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:32.719 but it's more useful that's how i personally 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:35.600 respond to these kinds of events so not that 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:37.520 i wish that something terrible happens that you 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:40.579 have to respond to but if you find yourself you 00:00:40.579 --> 00:00:43.719 know with that like what can i do then just invest 00:00:43.719 --> 00:01:11.269 in your training Welcome to episode 30 of the 00:01:11.269 --> 00:01:13.530 Frugal Firearms podcast, the podcast that is 00:01:13.530 --> 00:01:15.469 going to make you a better shooter, whether you 00:01:15.469 --> 00:01:17.750 like it or not. And the way we're going to do 00:01:17.750 --> 00:01:19.689 that today is we're going to talk about a product 00:01:19.689 --> 00:01:24.030 that has been honestly on our to -do list since 00:01:24.030 --> 00:01:26.769 the show was conceptualized. In fact, before 00:01:26.769 --> 00:01:29.890 that, because today is going to be a topic for 00:01:29.890 --> 00:01:32.709 one of our favorite products. And actually, you 00:01:32.709 --> 00:01:35.560 know what, Ken? Didn't we just, we did that just 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:37.920 in the last couple of shows, didn't we? So we're 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:41.700 really ticking them off. We are. This is an excellent 00:01:41.700 --> 00:01:44.459 show. We're going to have Jan, who's going to 00:01:44.459 --> 00:01:46.280 be on there talking about the Cool Fryer product 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:48.909 here in a moment. The CoolFire Trainer is something 00:01:48.909 --> 00:01:51.450 that you guys may or may not be familiar with 00:01:51.450 --> 00:01:53.709 and I want you to listen to the whole show because 00:01:53.709 --> 00:01:56.250 you might think well that's an expensive item 00:01:56.250 --> 00:01:58.290 but we're going to make the case why it's frugal 00:01:58.290 --> 00:02:00.950 and why you really need this product if you're 00:02:00.950 --> 00:02:03.430 very serious about your training or if you just 00:02:03.430 --> 00:02:05.870 want to actually you know the other side of it 00:02:05.870 --> 00:02:07.849 is you could be more casual about your training 00:02:07.849 --> 00:02:09.090 because now you don't have to go to the range 00:02:09.090 --> 00:02:10.729 you don't have to worry about safety and things 00:02:10.729 --> 00:02:13.060 like that. Hey, before we get started today, 00:02:13.219 --> 00:02:15.460 I wanted to just acknowledge the audience. Man, 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:18.319 you guys are killing it out there. I'm so proud 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:20.759 of the audience growth and the expansion of the 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:23.280 show, just probably based on word of mouth or, 00:02:23.300 --> 00:02:25.560 you know, maybe it has something to do with the 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:27.360 quality of the content we put out there. Who 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:31.139 knows? But I wanted to welcome our new listeners 00:02:31.139 --> 00:02:37.080 from places like Vietnam, Iraq, Bangladesh, Mexico, 00:02:37.419 --> 00:02:42.580 Morocco, Pakistan, Argentina, the Ukraine. Paraguay, 00:02:42.580 --> 00:02:47.419 Jordan, Kurdistan, and Syria of all places. So, 00:02:47.419 --> 00:02:50.439 wow, those are places I really never expected 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:53.599 to show up in the map of our listenership. But, 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:55.840 you know, thank you guys from the bottom of our 00:02:55.840 --> 00:02:58.150 hearts. All right, now we want to welcome to 00:02:58.150 --> 00:03:02.969 the show Jan Sabo from CoolFire. And as I mentioned, 00:03:03.050 --> 00:03:05.229 this has been a company that we've been chasing 00:03:05.229 --> 00:03:07.349 for a very long time to get on the show because 00:03:07.349 --> 00:03:11.430 it is, in my estimation personally, one of my 00:03:11.430 --> 00:03:14.930 top value products. And we're going to really 00:03:14.930 --> 00:03:17.889 dive into the value proposition here because 00:03:17.889 --> 00:03:20.189 I think it takes some explaining to appreciate 00:03:20.189 --> 00:03:23.650 what is available from CoolFire. But Jan, welcome 00:03:23.650 --> 00:03:26.259 to the show. And let's just kind of start off 00:03:26.259 --> 00:03:28.680 with a little bit of kind of tell the people 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:31.620 who don't know what CoolFire Trainer is just 00:03:31.620 --> 00:03:34.979 a very basic explanation of what the system is, 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:38.300 how many different models you cover, and what 00:03:38.300 --> 00:03:41.300 type of support people are getting in terms of 00:03:41.300 --> 00:03:43.139 building their training. And then we'll kind 00:03:43.139 --> 00:03:45.259 of go back and go through, you know, what your 00:03:45.259 --> 00:03:48.370 history is and things like that. Excellent. Well, 00:03:48.430 --> 00:03:51.009 Craig, Ken, thank you for having me. Like I said, 00:03:51.050 --> 00:03:53.090 like you said, my name is Jan Sabo. I work at 00:03:53.090 --> 00:03:56.289 Coolfire Trainer. We make the ultimate dry fire 00:03:56.289 --> 00:03:59.569 training tool for your actual firearm. The reason 00:03:59.569 --> 00:04:02.310 why I say that is that we make a conversion kit 00:04:02.310 --> 00:04:05.750 that installs inside your firearm. In a pistol, 00:04:05.810 --> 00:04:07.949 it replaces your barrel and your recoil spring 00:04:07.949 --> 00:04:11.629 assembly. And in an AR -15 rifle, it replaces 00:04:11.629 --> 00:04:13.710 the magazine. Well, actually not quite the magazine, 00:04:13.810 --> 00:04:17.339 but the bolt carrier group. and then you charge 00:04:17.339 --> 00:04:19.579 it up with co2 and each time you pull the trigger 00:04:19.579 --> 00:04:22.660 the cool fire trainer system will cycle the action 00:04:22.660 --> 00:04:25.120 of what's remaining of the action in your firearm 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:28.000 and thereby it gives you felt recoil it resets 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:31.079 your trigger it gives you a pretty realistic 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:33.740 sound if you're shooting indoors without hearing 00:04:33.740 --> 00:04:36.240 protection and it just makes you take your gun 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:39.180 seriously in dry fire because each time you pull 00:04:39.180 --> 00:04:41.600 the trigger the gun will respond the way it was 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:45.829 supposed to or in a simulated way so Why is that 00:04:45.829 --> 00:04:49.949 better than what traditional people do when they 00:04:49.949 --> 00:04:54.430 think of dry fire? Because everyone is encouraged, 00:04:54.709 --> 00:04:57.550 who's been in the gun community for any period 00:04:57.550 --> 00:05:01.470 of time, is encouraged to dry fire. But why is 00:05:01.470 --> 00:05:04.230 yours that much better? And why is it worth the 00:05:04.230 --> 00:05:06.029 cost of entry? We'll get to the cost of entry 00:05:06.029 --> 00:05:08.970 later. So traditional dry fire versus cool fire 00:05:08.970 --> 00:05:13.269 trainer dry fire. One of our customers summarized 00:05:13.269 --> 00:05:16.370 it better than any of us ever did by coming up 00:05:16.370 --> 00:05:19.310 with a hashtag that cool fire gives you semi 00:05:19.310 --> 00:05:22.069 -automatic dry fire. That means that it's dry 00:05:22.069 --> 00:05:24.689 fire because you're pulling the trigger on your 00:05:24.689 --> 00:05:27.850 firearm without any ammunition. But the fire 00:05:27.850 --> 00:05:30.490 round then cycles and resets itself for the next 00:05:30.490 --> 00:05:33.329 shot. So that's hence the hashtag semi -automatic 00:05:33.329 --> 00:05:36.089 dry fire. So traditional dry fire has been around 00:05:36.089 --> 00:05:40.550 for at least a century, training with your fire 00:05:40.550 --> 00:05:42.670 round so that you get used to handling it, you 00:05:42.670 --> 00:05:44.410 get used to aligning the sights, you get used 00:05:44.410 --> 00:05:48.709 to pulling the trigger without disturbing your 00:05:48.709 --> 00:05:50.930 sight picture so you can feel where the break 00:05:50.930 --> 00:05:54.879 is in the trigger. But with auto -loading firearms, 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:58.259 you then need to prepare the firearm for the 00:05:58.259 --> 00:06:00.480 next shot. And with a semi -automatic pistol 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:04.439 or a semi -automatic rifle, that happens as the 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:06.759 action cycles. It resets the trigger. Plus you 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:08.680 get the felt recoil and so on and so forth in 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:13.399 live fire. In dry fire, you need to prepare the 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:16.139 action for the next shot yourself. And that's 00:06:16.139 --> 00:06:18.939 where dry fire shows its limits. That if you 00:06:18.939 --> 00:06:20.860 need to rack the slide of your pistol each time 00:06:20.860 --> 00:06:25.129 you pull the trigger, The realism kind of evaporates 00:06:25.129 --> 00:06:28.769 and you need to prep the gun for the next shot 00:06:28.769 --> 00:06:30.829 by doing something that you wouldn't normally 00:06:30.829 --> 00:06:35.069 do. We have a video of a very eager young lady 00:06:35.069 --> 00:06:38.269 at a trade show who was shooting our cool fire 00:06:38.269 --> 00:06:41.269 trainer in 1911. And each time she fires the 00:06:41.269 --> 00:06:46.360 shot and the slide cycles and... Everything happens 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:48.899 as it's supposed to. She then proceeds to rack 00:06:48.899 --> 00:06:51.079 the slide. And we kept telling her, don't do 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:52.899 that. You don't have to do that. And it was just, 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:55.779 oh, sorry, it's habit, it's habit. So unfortunately, 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:58.720 dry fire has its limitations. And that's where 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:00.439 Cool Fire Trainer really shines, that it gives 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:03.139 you semi -automatic dry fire with trigger resetting 00:07:03.139 --> 00:07:05.860 recall each time. Let me, okay, I'm going to 00:07:05.860 --> 00:07:08.220 follow up on that particular point that you just 00:07:08.220 --> 00:07:11.439 made, which is that you had a person at a trade 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:15.319 show who had... I'm going to introduce this topic 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:18.500 to the listeners if you are not familiar with 00:07:18.500 --> 00:07:21.839 the term training scar. What is a training scar? 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:26.860 That is a habit that you have developed over 00:07:26.860 --> 00:07:30.879 time through whatever methodology that is not 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:33.459 something that you want to carry forward into 00:07:33.459 --> 00:07:37.019 real life. So listeners have heard me talk before 00:07:37.019 --> 00:07:44.379 in the Navy, we call it negative training. misinformation, 00:07:44.379 --> 00:07:48.100 having them do the wrong thing. And in this case, 00:07:48.100 --> 00:07:52.699 this girl, I'm surmising, a woman, was not under 00:07:52.699 --> 00:07:56.660 any particular stress, yet she kept going to 00:07:56.660 --> 00:08:00.220 rack the gun when it was not necessary. That's 00:08:00.220 --> 00:08:02.899 a true statement, right, Jan? Yes, that's correct. 00:08:03.019 --> 00:08:08.220 So could I infer that if she was in the moment 00:08:08.220 --> 00:08:12.180 of ultimate need, that she may have done the 00:08:12.180 --> 00:08:16.540 same thing with a real gun because that is her 00:08:16.540 --> 00:08:19.560 training and she's going back to a very base 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:22.180 level of knowledge when you're under stress. 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:25.120 That is true for everybody. I think it was Jim 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:27.480 Cirillo who said, who made a statement that many 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:30.500 others have made that in stressful real life 00:08:30.500 --> 00:08:34.379 situation, we've... we revert back to the baseline 00:08:34.379 --> 00:08:36.460 of our training. And that was her training. I 00:08:36.460 --> 00:08:38.580 think off camera, she told us that there was 00:08:38.580 --> 00:08:41.200 a well -meaning uncle or boyfriend or somebody 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:44.240 like that who taught her how to dry fire. And 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:48.419 that's just what stuck. So kudos to her. She 00:08:48.419 --> 00:08:51.220 saw the light with Cool Fight Trainer and eventually 00:08:51.220 --> 00:08:53.059 just started shooting and really enjoyed herself. 00:08:53.419 --> 00:08:55.559 This reminds me of an example. I mean, we all 00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:58.279 remember the FBI shooting that happened probably 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:01.039 about 20, 30, 30 years ago or so. It was 40 years 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:05.600 ago. It was 1986. 1986, 40 years ago. In Miami 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:08.419 in 1996. Yeah, it's a famous, it's been studied, 00:09:08.460 --> 00:09:10.679 studied many, many, many times. But one of the 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:13.919 things that the FBI agents did after the shooting 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.960 was they started to police up their brass. that 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:19.340 had hit the ground. And, you know, kind of like, 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:21.379 almost like zombies. Like, what do you do after 00:09:21.379 --> 00:09:23.419 you shoot? Well, you collect your brass. And 00:09:23.419 --> 00:09:27.139 it's like, no, this is, you don't do that in 00:09:27.139 --> 00:09:29.759 a real situation, shooting situation. But, I 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:31.240 mean, it was just so ingrained and they were, 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:33.940 they had gone through such stress, that was their 00:09:33.940 --> 00:09:37.059 go -to. Okay, the shooting's over, the situation's 00:09:37.059 --> 00:09:40.100 over. Okay, pick up your brass. And that was 00:09:40.100 --> 00:09:43.840 an example. I recall that that came up as a topic 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:46.240 even earlier in the Newhall shooting in 1972, 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:49.879 I think it was. So yes, rangism, that was Jeff 00:09:49.879 --> 00:09:53.139 Cooper's term, rangism, the habits that you learn 00:09:53.139 --> 00:09:56.039 at a shooting range or any other kind of negative 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:59.659 training in Navy speak or any other kind of training 00:09:59.659 --> 00:10:02.919 scars may catch up with you. And therefore, the 00:10:02.919 --> 00:10:05.620 best way to eliminate it is by preventing it 00:10:05.620 --> 00:10:07.960 in the first place. Let's roll this back a little 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:10.240 bit. Tell us about... Not only the origins of 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:12.539 the CoolFire Trainer, maybe what the inspiration 00:10:12.539 --> 00:10:16.779 for the product was, and perhaps how long it 00:10:16.779 --> 00:10:19.460 took to develop and get to a commercial release, 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:23.320 but what was your personal involvement with the 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:25.899 company? When did you come on board? Why? Things 00:10:25.899 --> 00:10:28.639 like that. Well, I came on board about 10 years 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:32.110 ago. Actually, it's either 10 years ago or two 00:10:32.110 --> 00:10:33.950 years ago, depending on how we counted, because 00:10:33.950 --> 00:10:37.909 I came on board on February 29th. And that only 00:10:37.909 --> 00:10:42.409 happens once every four years. It was 2016, February 00:10:42.409 --> 00:10:45.289 29th is when I joined the team. By then, Cool 00:10:45.289 --> 00:10:47.429 Fire Trainer was pretty much already invented 00:10:47.429 --> 00:10:49.370 and established. So we've just been refining 00:10:49.370 --> 00:10:52.350 it ever since for the last 10 years. So my personal 00:10:52.350 --> 00:10:56.610 history with Cool Fire Trainer is that I started 00:10:56.610 --> 00:11:00.289 training with firearms in earnest. In about 2008, 00:11:00.649 --> 00:11:04.009 my father was a military officer in Czechoslovakia, 00:11:04.049 --> 00:11:06.850 so I grew up with my father's firearm and my 00:11:06.850 --> 00:11:09.210 granddad's air rifle. But I really started training 00:11:09.210 --> 00:11:11.769 in 2008 when I started training in a martial 00:11:11.769 --> 00:11:14.529 art called Krav Maga. Oh, yeah, the Israeli, 00:11:14.830 --> 00:11:18.370 yeah. One of the signature topics of Krav Maga 00:11:18.370 --> 00:11:20.690 is disarming an attacker who's pointing a firearm 00:11:20.690 --> 00:11:23.419 at you. And I realized that when I... took possession 00:11:23.419 --> 00:11:25.100 of the firearm, I didn't really know what to 00:11:25.100 --> 00:11:28.500 do next. So I thought it was important to learn 00:11:28.500 --> 00:11:30.820 about the other side of things, which is how 00:11:30.820 --> 00:11:34.240 to shoot firearms. So I then discovered Masada 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:37.120 Yub and took his training and eventually became 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:42.120 an instructor. But this was in New York City 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:45.059 when I discovered this stuff. So I got some training 00:11:45.059 --> 00:11:47.200 in New Jersey, of all places, that was more accessible 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:51.240 than New York. Then moved to Washington, D .C., 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:53.440 where I went to police academy to become a reserve 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:55.620 police officer with the Metropolitan Police Department 00:11:55.620 --> 00:11:59.179 of Washington, D .C. And then my wife got a great 00:11:59.179 --> 00:12:01.679 job offer in her hometown in Tulsa, Oklahoma. 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:05.200 So after just a few months of having a badge 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:07.279 as a reserve police officer, we moved to Tulsa. 00:12:07.779 --> 00:12:09.820 And I thought, what am I going to do in Tulsa? 00:12:09.860 --> 00:12:11.559 It's my wife's hometown. I don't know anybody. 00:12:12.379 --> 00:12:14.539 I'm very interested in law enforcement and firearms 00:12:14.539 --> 00:12:16.659 and all this kind of thing. And I discovered 00:12:16.659 --> 00:12:19.919 that there was a company called Dvorak Instruments 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:21.940 and a sister company called Cool Fire Trainer 00:12:21.940 --> 00:12:26.860 owned by my boss, Albert Dvorak, who invented 00:12:26.860 --> 00:12:30.899 various technologies to do with simulated recoil. 00:12:31.220 --> 00:12:33.179 And I thought, that's the company I want to work 00:12:33.179 --> 00:12:37.500 for. So on February 29th, 2016, it was my first 00:12:37.500 --> 00:12:41.379 day. Very good. 10 years. Excellent. So going 00:12:41.379 --> 00:12:43.860 back to... The applicability of the product. 00:12:43.940 --> 00:12:46.399 So the product used to be, I think what it was 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:50.460 initially introduced was only for pistols. But 00:12:50.460 --> 00:12:54.779 now you have an AR -15 variant of it that will 00:12:54.779 --> 00:12:57.419 cycle an AR -15. But tell the listeners, how 00:12:57.419 --> 00:13:01.820 many guns right now are supported? And across, 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:03.899 let's say, you could say, well, Glock is one 00:13:03.899 --> 00:13:07.879 thing, but it's not. It's many things. How many 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:10.360 different models and how often do you roll out 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:15.120 new ones? Yes. So we have recently introduced 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:18.200 a recall kit for the AR -15. We call it the sidekick 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:21.559 because of its construction and it kicks and 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:24.360 there's a vessel on the side of the rifle, which 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:27.179 I'll explain a little bit later. But before that, 00:13:27.220 --> 00:13:31.000 we developed dozens of recall kits for pistols 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:34.120 and we kind of lost count. It's certainly more 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:38.409 than 180 different models. So there are various 00:13:38.409 --> 00:13:44.049 Glocks, you know, 17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 22, 34, 00:13:44.210 --> 00:13:45.970 35, you know, all the different Glocks, different 00:13:45.970 --> 00:13:49.389 generations of Glocks. Smith & Wesson M &P family, 00:13:49.710 --> 00:13:58.200 various SIGs, 226, 228, 229, 320, SIG 365. several 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:01.220 Taurus models, Beretta 92. There's just a whole 00:14:01.220 --> 00:14:03.179 bunch of different models. And then when you 00:14:03.179 --> 00:14:06.279 get into the world of 1911s and 2011s with the 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:08.519 different barrel lengths and different chamberings. 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:11.679 it it just explodes into into the hundreds so 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:13.940 we kind of stopped counting and we just say over 00:14:13.940 --> 00:14:18.059 180 different models of pistols now let me also 00:14:18.059 --> 00:14:21.379 give you the uh a brief story of cool fire itself 00:14:21.379 --> 00:14:25.019 so cool fire trainer as i mentioned is the brainchild 00:14:25.019 --> 00:14:28.159 of my boss whose name is albert dvorak and uh 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:31.700 it's really the third generation recall kit that 00:14:31.700 --> 00:14:34.340 that he developed The first generation recall 00:14:34.340 --> 00:14:38.620 kit came about in about 1998 or 1999 called the 00:14:38.620 --> 00:14:41.240 Air Recall System, which was a tethered system 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:45.299 developed pretty much on the encouragement or 00:14:45.299 --> 00:14:49.120 on commission from the FBI Academy. They were 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:52.799 looking for a simulated recall kit that was pneumatically 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:57.320 powered by air or nitrogen that would cycle the 00:14:57.320 --> 00:14:59.460 action, reset the trigger, give you felt recoil, 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:03.389 disrupt your sight picture and so on. So Albert 00:15:03.389 --> 00:15:06.090 developed the air recall system in the late 90s. 00:15:06.269 --> 00:15:09.509 The FBI loved it. They use it to this day. And 00:15:09.509 --> 00:15:12.330 a few years later, they said, oh, this is a fantastic 00:15:12.330 --> 00:15:14.570 system, but wouldn't it be wonderful if it was 00:15:14.570 --> 00:15:17.070 a self -contained system so it wouldn't be tethered, 00:15:17.070 --> 00:15:18.990 so you could have full mobility in training where 00:15:18.990 --> 00:15:22.769 you could run around your training area? so albert 00:15:22.769 --> 00:15:25.629 developed a second generation recall system called 00:15:25.629 --> 00:15:29.450 the tetherless recall system trs where the it's 00:15:29.450 --> 00:15:32.629 powered by co2 and the co2 is housed in the magazine 00:15:32.629 --> 00:15:38.509 of the pistol or of the rifle uh the it's a pretty 00:15:38.509 --> 00:15:41.269 complex system it's it's kind of the rolls royce 00:15:41.269 --> 00:15:45.190 of recall systems we we make it uh as under our 00:15:45.190 --> 00:15:48.070 sister company named work instruments And these 00:15:48.070 --> 00:15:50.149 recall kits cost in the thousands of dollars. 00:15:50.190 --> 00:15:52.850 When you get a package with two magazines and 00:15:52.850 --> 00:15:54.529 various accessories, you're looking at about 00:15:54.529 --> 00:15:56.909 $3 ,500 and upwards. And there are recall kits 00:15:56.909 --> 00:15:59.350 for many different law enforcement pistols and 00:15:59.350 --> 00:16:02.830 rifles and the MP5 submachine gun and pump action 00:16:02.830 --> 00:16:06.289 shotguns and so on. So where Cool Fire Trainer 00:16:06.289 --> 00:16:11.759 came in in the mid, in 2015, 2016 time. We had 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:14.120 many would -be customers who contacted us and 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:16.700 said, hey, we saw your website and this technology 00:16:16.700 --> 00:16:19.309 looks really good. How much is it? We gave them 00:16:19.309 --> 00:16:21.169 the sticker shock, and they thought, well, I'll 00:16:21.169 --> 00:16:23.490 just have to end up using Airsoft, I guess, because 00:16:23.490 --> 00:16:25.850 I can't afford it. This is the question, is your 00:16:25.850 --> 00:16:28.429 boss paying or is your wife paying? So if your 00:16:28.429 --> 00:16:31.649 boss is paying, then that's where the Dvorak 00:16:31.649 --> 00:16:33.809 Rebook has come in for agency use. Those are 00:16:33.809 --> 00:16:36.990 the only two options? There's no other options 00:16:36.990 --> 00:16:40.490 in life? In my house, it is, yes. If you have 00:16:40.490 --> 00:16:43.230 other options, lucky you, but that's what it 00:16:43.230 --> 00:16:45.710 comes down to. So Cool Fire Trainer was conceived 00:16:45.710 --> 00:16:48.460 and designed and engineered, and now my... as 00:16:48.460 --> 00:16:53.159 an affordable version of established recall technology 00:16:53.159 --> 00:16:56.100 that's been used by the FBI and the U .S. Secret 00:16:56.100 --> 00:16:58.059 Service and many law enforcement and military 00:16:58.059 --> 00:17:02.200 units for a decade and a half before that point. 00:17:02.620 --> 00:17:06.440 So Cool Fire Trainer is optimized not only for 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:08.960 your budget, but also there are some other assumptions 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:11.819 that we make with Cool Fire Trainer. We assume 00:17:11.819 --> 00:17:14.559 that you have one firearm, whether it's a pistol 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:17.299 or a rifle. and you want to train with that firearm 00:17:17.299 --> 00:17:19.700 every day so you want to convert it for training 00:17:19.700 --> 00:17:22.440 train with it with recoil and then when you're 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:24.220 done with two or three hundred rounds worth of 00:17:24.220 --> 00:17:26.059 training then you want to convert it back to 00:17:26.059 --> 00:17:28.640 live fire and uh you know load it up with live 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:32.039 ammo put it in holster and uh step out of your 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:34.940 front door with that with that gun loaded by 00:17:34.940 --> 00:17:37.599 contrast the dvorak recall kits the the agency 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:41.240 solution uh the assumption there is that uh the 00:17:41.849 --> 00:17:44.910 the end user can dedicate firearms for full -time 00:17:44.910 --> 00:17:48.690 training duties. So take several firearms, paint 00:17:48.690 --> 00:17:51.829 them blue, and semi -permanently convert them 00:17:51.829 --> 00:17:53.789 with the recall kit. So, for example, things 00:17:53.789 --> 00:17:58.430 like the ease of installation with CoolFire is 00:17:58.430 --> 00:18:02.009 much, much easier than the Dvorak kits. So CoolFire 00:18:02.009 --> 00:18:04.880 has been optimized not just for the... for the 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:08.019 budget of an individual, but also for the user 00:18:08.019 --> 00:18:09.920 habits, the fact that you have your own gun, 00:18:10.059 --> 00:18:11.920 the fact that you want to install it with under 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:16.099 a minute, uninstall it at the same time. You 00:18:16.099 --> 00:18:18.759 want to use CO2 that's available from a supermarket 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:21.900 in the form of a soda maker tank that you can 00:18:21.900 --> 00:18:24.619 buy wherever you get your weekly grocery shopping 00:18:24.619 --> 00:18:27.900 and so on. So Cool Fire Trainer is what we call 00:18:27.900 --> 00:18:31.119 an individual's training tool. The Dvorak recall 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:33.900 kits that preceded it are an institutional training 00:18:33.900 --> 00:18:36.420 tool, both on the budget and also on just the 00:18:36.420 --> 00:18:40.700 user case on multiple dimensions. And what you're 00:18:40.700 --> 00:18:42.920 doing, again, you know, for the listeners is 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:48.379 the barrel is actually becomes the CO2. vessel 00:18:48.379 --> 00:18:52.779 that is then slowly exhausted as you use the 00:18:52.779 --> 00:18:55.220 gun through various shots. And then once it runs 00:18:55.220 --> 00:18:58.140 down, because every time it expends some gas, 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:00.579 the pressure goes down. The thing you don't notice, 00:19:00.619 --> 00:19:02.339 though, I want to point this out to people, is 00:19:02.339 --> 00:19:04.980 initially when you're using it, you really don't 00:19:04.980 --> 00:19:07.559 feel a difference in recoil until the barrel 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:10.859 is nearly fully exhausted of pressure. So it 00:19:10.859 --> 00:19:13.160 isn't like the first shot feels different than 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:15.039 the second shot feels different than the third 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:18.150 shot. That's not the case. at least using my 00:19:18.150 --> 00:19:21.210 example, which, you know, I want to stress, I 00:19:21.210 --> 00:19:23.730 bought this on my own money for my Glock 17. 00:19:24.450 --> 00:19:27.569 Cool Fire didn't send us anything. Years ago, 00:19:27.609 --> 00:19:31.289 too. Yeah, years ago. You know, this was all 00:19:31.289 --> 00:19:34.269 on my own dollar. And, you know, we didn't receive 00:19:34.269 --> 00:19:36.269 any samples or anything like that. So this is 00:19:36.269 --> 00:19:39.410 a completely unpaid endorsement. But we are endorsing 00:19:39.410 --> 00:19:42.690 this very strongly. Thank you. The thing that 00:19:42.690 --> 00:19:45.619 I think people need to understand is. All you're 00:19:45.619 --> 00:19:48.140 doing here, Jan's talking about changing this 00:19:48.140 --> 00:19:50.200 under a minute, is you're popping the slide off, 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:52.220 you're removing the barrel, at least for a Glock, 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:54.759 and probably most other striker -fired pistols. 00:19:54.859 --> 00:19:57.559 You're removing the barrel, the recoil spring, 00:19:57.779 --> 00:20:00.019 you're putting in a new barrel, which is, again, 00:20:00.299 --> 00:20:03.160 the vessel used for the CO2, a different recoil 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:06.900 spring, and reassembling it. You're keeping the 00:20:06.900 --> 00:20:09.569 same trigger. So if you've done trigger work 00:20:09.569 --> 00:20:13.289 on the gun or if your particular scenario is 00:20:13.289 --> 00:20:15.829 that you want to train with your particular trigger, 00:20:15.990 --> 00:20:18.630 this allows that. It's the same sights. It's 00:20:18.630 --> 00:20:21.369 the same grip. You're using the same holster. 00:20:21.529 --> 00:20:24.210 The gun will weigh the same. And I also want 00:20:24.210 --> 00:20:26.130 to bring up, you know, there's a few other advantages 00:20:26.130 --> 00:20:28.210 that we'll go into later, but there's one thing 00:20:28.210 --> 00:20:30.730 that people might want to be aware of is the 00:20:30.730 --> 00:20:34.109 safety here. Is that you cannot look, because 00:20:34.109 --> 00:20:37.450 now you have a barrel. quote unquote barrel that 00:20:37.450 --> 00:20:41.329 has no chamber, you cannot load a live magazine 00:20:41.329 --> 00:20:43.630 into the gun. Well, you can put a magazine into 00:20:43.630 --> 00:20:45.869 the gun to get the weight up if you want to do 00:20:45.869 --> 00:20:49.769 that, but you cannot insert a round. So this 00:20:49.769 --> 00:20:52.809 is a completely safe option. And I really want 00:20:52.809 --> 00:20:54.710 to, you know, weigh on the fact that now you 00:20:54.710 --> 00:20:56.670 get to train at home. You get to train wherever 00:20:56.670 --> 00:20:59.950 you want, because even though the gun for ATF 00:20:59.950 --> 00:21:02.529 purposes is still a firearm, because it's still 00:21:02.529 --> 00:21:06.589 the same frame, it is not. Yeah, it cannot fire 00:21:06.589 --> 00:21:08.750 anything. So why don't you run with some of those 00:21:08.750 --> 00:21:11.609 topics there, Jan? Yes, absolutely. So let me 00:21:11.609 --> 00:21:14.730 go with both of those main themes. One is the 00:21:14.730 --> 00:21:16.990 installation, the construction and the installation, 00:21:17.230 --> 00:21:19.069 and the second one are the training benefits. 00:21:20.329 --> 00:21:23.529 So how do you install a cool fire? What is it 00:21:23.529 --> 00:21:27.170 and how do you install it? So in a pistol, it 00:21:27.170 --> 00:21:30.190 is a replacement barrel and a replacement recoil 00:21:30.190 --> 00:21:33.750 spring. And you can also use your pistol's magazine 00:21:33.750 --> 00:21:36.690 for training purposes if you wish. So the way 00:21:36.690 --> 00:21:39.450 that you install a cool fire trainer is you clear 00:21:39.450 --> 00:21:41.349 the firearm, make sure that there's no ammunition 00:21:41.349 --> 00:21:44.450 present. And then you would take apart your pistol 00:21:44.450 --> 00:21:46.849 as if for cleaning. So you would take the slide 00:21:46.849 --> 00:21:48.849 off of the frame and take the barrel and the 00:21:48.849 --> 00:21:53.109 recoil spring assembly out of the slide. And 00:21:53.109 --> 00:21:55.430 then you take your barrel and your recoil spring 00:21:55.430 --> 00:21:57.170 and put them aside because you won't need them. 00:21:57.250 --> 00:21:59.809 If you have any loaded magazines, put them aside. 00:22:00.460 --> 00:22:02.720 preferably in a separate room to follow traditional 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:05.960 practice. And then you take the cool fire trainer 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:08.319 barrel and the cool fire trainer recoil spring 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:10.640 assembly, which features a slightly reduced power 00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:13.180 recoil spring by just by a couple of pounds. 00:22:13.259 --> 00:22:16.000 It's lighter than your live fire spring. And 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:18.299 you install the cool fire trainer barrel into 00:22:18.299 --> 00:22:20.960 your slide. And then you install the slightly 00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:22.920 reduced power recoil spring assembly into the 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:25.900 slide. and then reassemble the gun as you normally 00:22:25.900 --> 00:22:28.160 would. There's typically one other step that 00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:29.920 you need to push on the muzzle of the barrel 00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:32.640 to seat it in place on blocks and similar pistols. 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:36.339 And then you take a CO2 tank. The most popular 00:22:36.339 --> 00:22:39.059 one is a soda maker type tank that you can get 00:22:39.059 --> 00:22:40.920 from your local supermarket that's typically 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:43.480 used with soda making machines where you can 00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:47.339 basically add CO2 bubbles to tap water and then 00:22:47.339 --> 00:22:49.460 add some kind of syrup. And then, hey, presto, 00:22:49.460 --> 00:22:53.349 you have a homemade soda. So you can take the 00:22:53.349 --> 00:22:55.190 same kind of CO2 tank that you've got in your 00:22:55.190 --> 00:22:58.769 local supermarket and install our what we call 00:22:58.769 --> 00:23:02.349 a fill device that allows you to then channel 00:23:02.349 --> 00:23:05.670 that CO2 from that tank into the muzzle of the 00:23:05.670 --> 00:23:07.650 cool fire barrel that is now in your pistol. 00:23:08.410 --> 00:23:11.529 So the cool fire barrel is the reservoir, the 00:23:11.529 --> 00:23:16.849 fuel tank that has about 850 PSI of CO2. That's 00:23:16.849 --> 00:23:20.089 worth about a magazine's worth of shots. And 00:23:20.089 --> 00:23:23.170 then each time you pull the trigger, the firearm 00:23:23.170 --> 00:23:26.710 will cycle or the converted firearm will cycle. 00:23:26.809 --> 00:23:28.990 So the operating cycle looks something like this. 00:23:29.069 --> 00:23:31.470 When you pull the trigger, you release the sear. 00:23:31.529 --> 00:23:36.609 And then that releases either your hammer that 00:23:36.609 --> 00:23:39.490 then hits the firing pin or the striker, which 00:23:39.490 --> 00:23:42.809 obviously has the firing pin tip. Under normal 00:23:42.809 --> 00:23:45.470 circumstances in live fire, that firing pin would 00:23:45.470 --> 00:23:48.250 impact a primer and ignite the propellant and 00:23:48.250 --> 00:23:50.349 expel the projectile through the muzzle and so 00:23:50.349 --> 00:23:53.589 on. In the case of cool fire, the firing pin 00:23:53.589 --> 00:23:56.789 is going to impact what we call a striker, which 00:23:56.789 --> 00:23:58.730 is capped by a polymer striker tip that I'll 00:23:58.730 --> 00:24:01.049 explain a little later. And that striker hits 00:24:01.049 --> 00:24:04.549 a ball bearing and that ball bearing jumps out 00:24:04.549 --> 00:24:08.920 of the way. And this 850 PSI worth of CO2 pressure 00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:11.700 will then rush past the ball bearing and extend 00:24:11.700 --> 00:24:15.799 a telescoping piston. If you think of a typical 00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:18.259 law enforcement telescoping baton, how it extends 00:24:18.259 --> 00:24:20.359 out in multiple segments, that's kind of what 00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:24.000 it looks like on a miniature scale. So that CO2 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:26.440 will extend that telescoping piston, and that's 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:29.359 what kicks the slide back. And by the time... 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:32.579 the slide is in the rearmost position and bounces 00:24:32.579 --> 00:24:34.940 off of the back of the of the rails of the frame 00:24:34.940 --> 00:24:38.220 that ball bearing valve is going to close the 00:24:38.220 --> 00:24:40.160 whole system will depressurize there'll be a 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:43.160 puff of co2 and there'll be about 100 decibels 00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:45.920 worth of with of audio report and then your recoil 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:49.019 spring is going to push the slide back into battery 00:24:49.019 --> 00:24:51.740 and by doing that it will reset the trigger mechanism 00:24:51.740 --> 00:24:55.920 for the next shot so that in a nutshell is the 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:58.640 operating cycle of the pistol And what I like 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:01.720 about it is the fact that the barrel is red, 00:25:01.940 --> 00:25:06.240 and the fact is that it's obvious if you're looking 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:07.740 at it from the front or something, if you see 00:25:07.740 --> 00:25:09.619 the red or from the side where the ejection port 00:25:09.619 --> 00:25:12.839 would be, it's red. It tells you, oh, you know, 00:25:12.859 --> 00:25:14.779 this might be my normal carry firearm, but right 00:25:14.779 --> 00:25:17.720 now it's configured in the cool fire methodology 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:19.660 because you've been testing it or you're training 00:25:19.660 --> 00:25:23.690 with it. Totally fine. The other thing I wanted 00:25:23.690 --> 00:25:26.190 to mention is that what I think is really cool 00:25:26.190 --> 00:25:28.549 is you don't have to disassemble the firearm 00:25:28.549 --> 00:25:33.069 each and every time to recharge the CO2 in the 00:25:33.069 --> 00:25:36.710 barrel. to get up to 850 PSI that Jan was mentioning 00:25:36.710 --> 00:25:40.529 a moment ago. It's basically right down at the 00:25:40.529 --> 00:25:43.210 muzzle. You just press that adapter right at 00:25:43.210 --> 00:25:45.750 the muzzle, and boom, you goose it up again to 00:25:45.750 --> 00:25:48.509 the full amount, so you're good for at least 00:25:48.509 --> 00:25:53.099 another magazine's worth of test firing. And 00:25:53.099 --> 00:25:55.140 that only takes a second or two. I mean, you 00:25:55.140 --> 00:25:58.519 know, I think you say three seconds, Jan. Maybe 00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:00.339 it depends on the barrel size, of course, because 00:26:00.339 --> 00:26:03.099 the amount of gas you're pushing in. But, you 00:26:03.099 --> 00:26:05.880 know, I think I have mine recharged in around 00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:10.390 a second. Yes, the recharging is very convenient. 00:26:10.650 --> 00:26:13.970 We have three configurations of CoolFire Trainer, 00:26:14.130 --> 00:26:16.869 and it takes between five and 10 seconds to recharge. 00:26:17.150 --> 00:26:19.950 And in that, I include how long it takes you 00:26:19.950 --> 00:26:24.009 to reach for the CO2 tank from wherever. Okay, 00:26:24.410 --> 00:26:29.369 there you are. The actual mating, you know, the 00:26:29.369 --> 00:26:32.890 pressing of the CO2. fill device against the 00:26:32.890 --> 00:26:34.990 muzzle takes about no more than three seconds 00:26:34.990 --> 00:26:38.849 because the liquid CO2 is very runny and the 00:26:38.849 --> 00:26:40.690 pressure will equalize very quickly. No more 00:26:40.690 --> 00:26:42.190 than three seconds and you're basically up and 00:26:42.190 --> 00:26:46.170 running. Now, thank you, Ken, for raising the 00:26:46.170 --> 00:26:49.269 whole safety or revisiting the whole safety question. 00:26:49.529 --> 00:26:53.119 Cool fire trainer. uh is the the pistol barrels 00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:57.799 are made with some red element uh and and also 00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:00.880 that there is there is a light lighting cut uh 00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:03.500 that you can feel with your fingers so even if 00:27:03.500 --> 00:27:06.099 it was pitch dark you could well most models 00:27:06.099 --> 00:27:08.980 certainly the modern ones you could feel with 00:27:08.980 --> 00:27:10.759 your fingertip that you have something other 00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:12.859 than a live barrel in your pistol and of course 00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:15.720 you can confirm it visually by looking at it 00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:17.259 and then you can do a chamber check and you will 00:27:17.259 --> 00:27:19.720 find that there is no longer a chamber because 00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:22.099 the cool fire trainer barrel has that telescoping 00:27:22.099 --> 00:27:24.240 piston, that miniature police baton that I was 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:26.940 talking about earlier. So there is no chamber 00:27:26.940 --> 00:27:29.980 and there is nowhere for a round to go. So we 00:27:29.980 --> 00:27:32.039 certainly don't encourage you to train with a 00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:36.700 magazine loaded with live ammo, but if by some 00:27:36.700 --> 00:27:40.480 accident you manage to put a magazine with live 00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:43.200 ammo, the ammo has nowhere to go because there 00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:47.000 is no chamber so uh one of the things that makes 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:49.319 cool fire trainer so compelling one ways of describing 00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:52.339 why it's such a compelling product is that it's 00:27:52.339 --> 00:27:55.119 a unique combination of realism where you have 00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:58.700 a real firearm that behaves realistically because 00:27:58.700 --> 00:28:00.539 it gives you realistic recoil with each trigger 00:28:00.539 --> 00:28:02.940 pull and a you know 100 decibels of sound and 00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:05.920 trigger reset and so on so you have a realistic 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:09.740 behavior of a real real gun And yet it is as 00:28:09.740 --> 00:28:12.579 safe as it can be because there is no longer 00:28:12.579 --> 00:28:15.519 a chamber present in the pistol. And in the case 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:17.799 of the AR -15 rifle, the chamber is plugged. 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:20.380 While cool fire trainer is installed in the rifle, 00:28:20.500 --> 00:28:22.380 the chamber is plugged and therefore not available 00:28:22.380 --> 00:28:26.319 for any other item to enter it. So that combination 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:29.380 of safety and realism combined with the economy 00:28:29.380 --> 00:28:31.839 that we are yet to discuss, where it's less than 00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:35.059 two cents per shot. These three things, realism, 00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:38.259 safety, economy, would make it such a compelling 00:28:38.259 --> 00:28:41.680 product to play with, to train with, to discuss, 00:28:41.859 --> 00:28:47.420 and to buy and own. Let me go to one issue that 00:28:47.420 --> 00:28:50.980 we actually talked about before in the preface 00:28:50.980 --> 00:28:53.569 for the show. which was that there was a video 00:28:53.569 --> 00:28:56.569 that was out on YouTube where a gentleman, you 00:28:56.569 --> 00:28:58.230 know, we're not the only people to review your 00:28:58.230 --> 00:29:00.170 product. There's been others. And there was a 00:29:00.170 --> 00:29:03.589 gentleman who reviewed it, and he overall liked 00:29:03.589 --> 00:29:05.430 the product. But I'm going to go back to this 00:29:05.430 --> 00:29:09.710 term training scar. He implied that your trainer 00:29:09.710 --> 00:29:13.630 might cause a, quote, training scar, end quote, 00:29:13.710 --> 00:29:17.190 because the behavior of the recoil is a bit different 00:29:17.190 --> 00:29:21.650 than a real gun. I will jump to the first. I 00:29:21.650 --> 00:29:23.769 will give him credit for pointing it out. I think 00:29:23.769 --> 00:29:27.210 that was good that he did his homework and found 00:29:27.210 --> 00:29:30.650 out that, yes, in fact, it's different. And reasonably, 00:29:30.849 --> 00:29:32.609 it makes sense that the piston you're talking 00:29:32.609 --> 00:29:35.170 about, since you're not expelling a round that 00:29:35.170 --> 00:29:37.990 weighs, let's say, between if it's nine millimeter, 00:29:38.109 --> 00:29:41.809 between 115 and 147 grains out the front, plus 00:29:41.809 --> 00:29:44.299 the gas behind it. You know, nothing's coming 00:29:44.299 --> 00:29:46.019 out of the front of the gun. The gun doesn't 00:29:46.019 --> 00:29:48.819 vent to the front. And we didn't mention that 00:29:48.819 --> 00:29:50.759 already, but there's actually a laser attachment 00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:53.480 you can put on the front of the quote -unquote 00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:57.380 barrel so the gas goes elsewhere. So initially 00:29:57.380 --> 00:30:00.279 the gun will have a very momentary tip downward, 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.539 not upward, but then it recoils back much more 00:30:03.539 --> 00:30:06.539 substantially as a result of the slide going 00:30:06.539 --> 00:30:11.160 full travel to the back. Now, is that going to 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:14.549 cause a, quote, training scar? I say not. And 00:30:14.549 --> 00:30:19.049 here's my rationale. One is that people typically 00:30:19.049 --> 00:30:23.690 don't train with recoil. And learning to discipline 00:30:23.690 --> 00:30:28.730 your grip so that you can actually stay on target 00:30:28.730 --> 00:30:32.849 for shots two through whatever is more important 00:30:32.849 --> 00:30:37.410 than avoiding a difference in the type of recoil. 00:30:37.670 --> 00:30:41.390 And I want to stress here, the gun recoils. Hard. 00:30:41.450 --> 00:30:44.869 It isn't as hard as a real round, but it's pretty 00:30:44.869 --> 00:30:48.109 damn close. And the other part is, if you want 00:30:48.109 --> 00:30:51.049 to talk about a training scar, you mentioned 00:30:51.049 --> 00:30:54.170 it right up front. A person who racks the gun 00:30:54.170 --> 00:30:56.869 every time and then falls back into that bad 00:30:56.869 --> 00:30:59.670 habit, if you're in a real stressful situation, 00:30:59.990 --> 00:31:02.289 do you want to be racking out live rounds onto 00:31:02.289 --> 00:31:04.890 the ground when you should be doing follow -up 00:31:04.890 --> 00:31:08.799 shots? That's where the training scar is. yes 00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:11.700 yes indeed a traditional dry fire where the gun 00:31:11.700 --> 00:31:14.619 clicks and then you rack the slide a click has 00:31:14.619 --> 00:31:16.680 meaning if you're shooting live fire and the 00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:19.490 gun clicks you better do something, not just 00:31:19.490 --> 00:31:23.049 rack the slide, but tap the magazine and possibly 00:31:23.049 --> 00:31:26.109 change out the magazine and so on. But this review, 00:31:26.210 --> 00:31:28.589 so Cool Fire Trainer is a very compelling and 00:31:28.589 --> 00:31:30.529 popular product that we've had it reviewed many 00:31:30.529 --> 00:31:34.049 times. This particular review, he coined the 00:31:34.049 --> 00:31:36.769 phrase inverse recall, which sounds kind of science 00:31:36.769 --> 00:31:40.930 -y, and he presented it as a gotcha that he found 00:31:40.930 --> 00:31:42.730 something that's some kind of a dirty secret 00:31:42.730 --> 00:31:45.650 and so on. So let me address that in a full -throated 00:31:45.650 --> 00:31:48.519 way. uh as i mentioned cool fire trainer is a 00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.900 third generation recall kit that uh is a it's 00:31:52.900 --> 00:31:55.279 really a more affordable version of a recall 00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:58.960 system that has been used by the likes of the 00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:02.279 fbi and the secret service for decades And I 00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:04.740 would submit to you that if there was something 00:32:04.740 --> 00:32:07.859 of a training scar to be found, the FBI would 00:32:07.859 --> 00:32:09.539 have found it because they've been at the forefront 00:32:09.539 --> 00:32:14.279 of firearm training research for decades. So 00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:17.259 if the FBI Academy is happy with it, I would 00:32:17.259 --> 00:32:21.220 commend that to your comfort level. So that's 00:32:21.220 --> 00:32:25.359 one thing. The other thing is more of a substantive 00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:28.839 argument. So when you are shooting a firearm, 00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:31.839 a pistol, When you are shooting a pistol, your 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:36.599 job is to obviously fire accurately, but then 00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:38.599 you need to prep the pistol for the next shot. 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:42.740 So you need to recover from whatever movement 00:32:42.740 --> 00:32:44.920 the gun wants to do. The bullet is going to fly 00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:47.180 out of the muzzle following the path of least 00:32:47.180 --> 00:32:49.039 resistance, and the firearm is going to do what 00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:51.059 it wants to do, pivot around the fulcrum of the 00:32:51.059 --> 00:32:53.480 webbing of your hand and do a muzzle flip and 00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:56.180 all that kind of stuff. Your job is to minimize 00:32:56.180 --> 00:32:59.619 the movement of the gun by gripping the gun hard. 00:33:00.089 --> 00:33:03.849 So with CoolFire Trainer, you get what you correctly 00:33:03.849 --> 00:33:07.069 described. I call it a J -curve recoil pattern. 00:33:07.210 --> 00:33:09.410 There is an initial muzzle dip, but then the 00:33:09.410 --> 00:33:12.589 muzzle flips up after that. By the way, this 00:33:12.589 --> 00:33:15.349 happens with blank pistols. If you look up a 00:33:15.349 --> 00:33:18.329 slow motion video of a blank firing pistol on 00:33:18.329 --> 00:33:20.930 YouTube, you will find that it does exactly the 00:33:20.930 --> 00:33:24.890 same thing. If you're using a red dot optic, 00:33:25.069 --> 00:33:27.730 you won't even notice that it's going on. This 00:33:27.730 --> 00:33:30.789 particular reviewer was using a gas pedal where 00:33:30.789 --> 00:33:34.230 he was pressing with his left thumb and I guess 00:33:34.230 --> 00:33:36.849 relying on it so much that that initial muzzle 00:33:36.849 --> 00:33:41.549 dip kind of threw him off. But even whether you 00:33:41.549 --> 00:33:44.170 have a gas pedal or not, your job is to minimize 00:33:44.170 --> 00:33:46.569 the movement of the gun by gripping it effectively 00:33:46.569 --> 00:33:50.440 with your... all the right muscles and maximizing 00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.440 the friction side to side and making sure that 00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:55.099 you're not jerking the gun, making sure that 00:33:55.099 --> 00:33:57.220 you're not pulling the gun to the left or to 00:33:57.220 --> 00:33:58.920 the right because you have too much or too little 00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:02.819 finger on the trigger. So you are using the same 00:34:02.819 --> 00:34:05.759 muscles in the same way to minimize the movement 00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:08.360 of the gun, whether it's a straightforward muzzle 00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:12.920 flip in live fire or the J -curve pattern with 00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:16.730 Cool Fire Trainer. And if you find that you notice 00:34:16.730 --> 00:34:19.789 the muzzle dip with your eyes or that you notice 00:34:19.789 --> 00:34:22.610 it because you grip the gun loosely, I would 00:34:22.610 --> 00:34:24.670 actually submit that the gun is telling you to 00:34:24.670 --> 00:34:29.329 try harder. So let me develop that just a little 00:34:29.329 --> 00:34:32.349 bit. If you feel that the gun is dipping down, 00:34:32.530 --> 00:34:34.489 that's because you're holding it too loosely 00:34:34.489 --> 00:34:37.809 and you need to go eat some Wheaties and go to 00:34:37.809 --> 00:34:41.400 the gym and develop some grip strength. and uh 00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:44.079 uh i got that quote from bill jeans of gunsight 00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:48.460 i'll go eat some movies and control the muzzle 00:34:48.460 --> 00:34:51.199 uh movement more effectively by gripping the 00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:54.139 gun harder so that's that point the second point 00:34:54.139 --> 00:34:57.320 if some elite shooters and i don't think i ever 00:34:57.320 --> 00:34:59.860 i've i've ever managed to do this is they manage 00:34:59.860 --> 00:35:03.480 to shoot with not only both eyes open but they 00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.280 manage not to blink throughout the entire recall 00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:08.940 cycle and they can see what the muzzle is doing 00:35:08.940 --> 00:35:12.320 and they can see the muzzle flipping up in live 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:14.900 fire and supposedly the muzzle dipping initially 00:35:14.900 --> 00:35:18.199 with cool fire and then and lifting up if you 00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:22.179 can see that if you truly can perceive that with 00:35:22.179 --> 00:35:25.619 your eyes then my my hat off to you you are one 00:35:25.619 --> 00:35:29.019 of the point one percent of shooters at peak 00:35:29.019 --> 00:35:31.840 concentration at your optimal caffeination level 00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:35.480 so if you see cool fire trainer muzzle dipping 00:35:36.139 --> 00:35:38.519 That's cool fire trainer telling you, well done, 00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:41.840 you were paying attention as well as anyone possibly 00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:45.699 can. So I would say go out there and look for 00:35:45.699 --> 00:35:48.000 that muzzle dip. Because if you can see it, that 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:51.800 means that you hit it out of the park. You're 00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:54.599 paying attention. Yeah, that's it. So that's 00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:58.579 my response to this inverse recall. To summarize, 00:35:59.019 --> 00:36:01.659 cool fire trainer is simulated recall, but it's 00:36:01.659 --> 00:36:05.019 the best dry fire. training tool out there and 00:36:05.019 --> 00:36:07.619 it will not replace your live fire uh entirely 00:36:07.619 --> 00:36:09.699 of course you need to go to the range we suggest 00:36:09.699 --> 00:36:12.059 once a month to confirm your zero to make sure 00:36:12.059 --> 00:36:13.900 that your gun is lubricated to make sure that 00:36:13.900 --> 00:36:16.840 you know your hollow points are feeding up the 00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:19.360 the feed ramp of your barrel that they're not 00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:21.300 getting stuck to make sure that your recoil spring 00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:24.820 hasn't gone too soft or or any matter of mechanical 00:36:24.820 --> 00:36:27.519 questions you may have about your gun but cool 00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:31.820 fire trainer can replace a lot of your live fire 00:36:31.820 --> 00:36:34.280 by simulating it very, very effectively. And 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.820 if the FBI Academy, the Secret Service, and literally 00:36:36.820 --> 00:36:40.659 world champion pistol shooters in IDPA and USPSA 00:36:40.659 --> 00:36:43.940 train with it and like it, I submit to you that 00:36:43.940 --> 00:36:45.980 there is value for you to take a look at it and 00:36:45.980 --> 00:36:49.059 seriously consider getting it. So that brings 00:36:49.059 --> 00:36:52.039 us to a question that I had, which is what if 00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:55.000 you are a trainer? I mean, you're talking extensively 00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:57.460 about training yourself. And again, I want to 00:36:57.460 --> 00:36:59.409 stress for the listeners. You're doing training 00:36:59.409 --> 00:37:02.349 in your own house. You're doing it at an acceptable 00:37:02.349 --> 00:37:04.909 noise level that's not going to get anybody upset 00:37:04.909 --> 00:37:08.250 with you. Well, OK, my dog doesn't like it, but 00:37:08.250 --> 00:37:10.670 my dog doesn't like any. My dog doesn't like 00:37:10.670 --> 00:37:12.670 any snappy noises, but that's another story. 00:37:13.170 --> 00:37:15.510 The fact that you're able to run drills in your 00:37:15.510 --> 00:37:18.110 house and have that realistic environment that 00:37:18.110 --> 00:37:21.510 isn't a square range, either outdoors or inside. 00:37:21.869 --> 00:37:25.349 But if you're a trainer. What sort of advantages 00:37:25.349 --> 00:37:28.489 does CoolFire provide you to be able to diagnose 00:37:28.489 --> 00:37:32.150 people who perhaps have plateaued or you're trying 00:37:32.150 --> 00:37:34.869 to diagnose a specific problem and you don't 00:37:34.869 --> 00:37:37.550 want to incur the cost, the per round cost, which 00:37:37.550 --> 00:37:40.969 by the way, I checked. Right now, 9mm, the cheapest 00:37:40.969 --> 00:37:43.469 stuff I can find on AmmoSeek .com, and by the 00:37:43.469 --> 00:37:46.530 way, shout out to AmmoSeek .com, my favorite 00:37:46.530 --> 00:37:51.010 place to price ammunition, was 23 .2 cents a 00:37:51.010 --> 00:37:55.400 round. And you said it's about two cents a round. 00:37:55.699 --> 00:37:59.820 So you're saving, I think you're saving more 00:37:59.820 --> 00:38:01.699 than that. I think you're talking about maybe 00:38:01.699 --> 00:38:04.079 a penny a round when you're talking about refilling 00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:06.300 bottles. And if you have a large bottle, it's 00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:08.760 even going to be less than that. But what are 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:11.320 the advantages for trainers in terms of using 00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:15.280 this to help diagnose people who need help? Indeed. 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:17.900 I went to the Rangemaster Conference some years 00:38:17.900 --> 00:38:21.380 ago. I think it was about five years ago. One 00:38:21.380 --> 00:38:23.400 of the trainers, whose name will come to me in 00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:26.039 a few moments, he had an excellent presentation 00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:30.300 on how to diagnose shooter errors using dry fire 00:38:30.300 --> 00:38:34.219 equipment, including CoolFi Trainer. One of the 00:38:34.219 --> 00:38:36.179 things that CoolFi Trainer allows a trainer to 00:38:36.179 --> 00:38:41.280 do is communicate and coach a shooter off range. 00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:43.739 So in a classroom where they are not wearing 00:38:43.739 --> 00:38:45.780 sunscreen, there are no bugs, there's nothing 00:38:45.780 --> 00:38:49.880 bothering them. Not wearing eye protection, not 00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:53.280 wearing hearing protection that distorts just 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.260 the way that you interact with people. You don't 00:38:55.260 --> 00:38:56.639 have to yell at them and so on and so forth. 00:38:56.980 --> 00:39:01.059 And the trainer can observe the student manipulate 00:39:01.059 --> 00:39:03.579 the gun and manipulate the trigger and reset 00:39:03.579 --> 00:39:07.940 the trigger and so on up close from like come 00:39:07.940 --> 00:39:10.019 up real close without worrying about the muzzle 00:39:10.019 --> 00:39:13.630 flash. You can even... We don't fully endorse 00:39:13.630 --> 00:39:15.909 this, but if you really want to diagnose, you 00:39:15.909 --> 00:39:18.510 can even stand in front of the gun and get what's 00:39:18.510 --> 00:39:21.449 called a reverse sight picture, where your student 00:39:21.449 --> 00:39:23.449 is looking down the sights, the rear sight in 00:39:23.449 --> 00:39:26.929 the back, the front sight in the front. As a 00:39:26.929 --> 00:39:30.989 trainer, you could stand in front of the firearm 00:39:30.989 --> 00:39:34.690 and look at the front sight first in the notch 00:39:34.690 --> 00:39:37.389 of the rear sight, which for you is actually... 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.219 farther front, and see if they're muzzle dipping, 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.159 if they're milking the trigger, if they're moving 00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:44.920 the gun left, right, up, down, or whichever way. 00:39:45.340 --> 00:39:49.400 So a cool fire trainer allows you to, once again, 00:39:49.500 --> 00:39:53.519 see how the trainee is manipulating a real gun 00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:56.320 that behaves realistically in a safe and comfortable 00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:58.500 environment where you can communicate to them 00:39:58.500 --> 00:40:01.780 with that individual without any barriers. And 00:40:01.780 --> 00:40:03.539 it's actually their firearm, which is what I 00:40:03.539 --> 00:40:06.079 love about it. It's your grip. It's your gun. 00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:08.239 It's your sights. You know, if you've got an 00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:09.940 optic on the back of it or you don't, you run 00:40:09.940 --> 00:40:13.400 iron sights like me. You know, it is your gun. 00:40:13.980 --> 00:40:16.079 And the other thing is, I mean, we talked about 00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:17.920 the cost of keeping things down. I mean, yeah. 00:40:18.340 --> 00:40:20.579 So we're talking less than a quarter around for 00:40:20.579 --> 00:40:24.550 9mm. You got to toss in your time and mileage 00:40:24.550 --> 00:40:29.090 to the range. You know, gas is over $6 a gallon 00:40:29.090 --> 00:40:31.769 here right now in California. Got to help us. 00:40:32.150 --> 00:40:33.829 There's time at the range. You got to fill out 00:40:33.829 --> 00:40:35.730 the paperwork. Yeah, I've been here a hundred 00:40:35.730 --> 00:40:37.550 times, but yeah, I'm going to sign it. If I shoot 00:40:37.550 --> 00:40:39.829 myself in my foot, it's my own problem. You know, 00:40:39.849 --> 00:40:41.690 you get all that. And then the cost associated 00:40:41.690 --> 00:40:44.909 range, you know, they provide a service and it's 00:40:44.909 --> 00:40:47.170 not an inexpensive thing. It's something we should 00:40:47.170 --> 00:40:49.809 do, as you point out, yeah, on about once a month 00:40:49.809 --> 00:40:53.059 would be optimal. But a lot of us don't have 00:40:53.059 --> 00:40:55.519 that ability to do that even weekly. It would 00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:58.760 be too much of our budget. And we are frugal 00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:02.639 firearms here. So this really does point to the 00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:06.159 frugal aspect of it and to keep the price down 00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:08.360 while keeping your skills and your training up 00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:10.880 at the lowest possible cost. So, yes, there is 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:14.539 an investment to be made with this product. If 00:41:14.539 --> 00:41:17.599 you look at it over time and what you're gaining 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:22.980 in your skills, I think the value proposition 00:41:22.980 --> 00:41:26.820 is absolutely there. Okay, so Ken, you brought 00:41:26.820 --> 00:41:30.300 it up. I mean, you said that there's an investment 00:41:30.300 --> 00:41:32.539 there. Okay, what are we talking about, Jan, 00:41:32.619 --> 00:41:35.099 for an investment in this? And what's the trade 00:41:35.099 --> 00:41:37.199 space against live ammo? Because if we're talking 00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:40.679 about a case of ammunition for $230 plus tax, 00:41:40.739 --> 00:41:43.179 plus the time to go get it, plus any paperwork. 00:41:43.579 --> 00:41:47.420 that is necessary and not counting in. Now you're 00:41:47.420 --> 00:41:49.059 going to use it at a range that maybe it takes 00:41:49.059 --> 00:41:50.960 you an hour to drive to the range. And what is 00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:52.619 your time worth and what is the gas worth and 00:41:52.619 --> 00:41:55.139 everything else? How much does it cost to get 00:41:55.139 --> 00:41:57.960 into your systems and how quickly do you pay 00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:02.199 that back? Yeah. So cool fire trainer is an investment. 00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:05.380 It's, but it's a good investment. So let me break 00:42:05.380 --> 00:42:07.960 that down. Cool fire trainer will cost you several 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:11.900 hundred dollars, almost the cost of your firearm. 00:42:12.179 --> 00:42:15.159 If let's say that you have a Glock 17 or a Glock 00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.059 19, cool fire trainer will come pretty close 00:42:17.059 --> 00:42:18.619 to that, depending on the package that you're 00:42:18.619 --> 00:42:21.059 getting and the accessories. And we frequently 00:42:21.059 --> 00:42:23.119 get people saying, hey, I could just buy another 00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:25.380 gun for that. Well, that's true. But what will 00:42:25.380 --> 00:42:27.239 you do with that firearm? You need to train with 00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:29.519 it. You need to get a holster with it for it. 00:42:29.579 --> 00:42:31.159 You need to perhaps get an optic, change the 00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:33.199 sights and so on and so forth. CoolFi Trainer 00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:36.340 allows you to train with your existing firearm, 00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:38.739 presumably your favorite firearm because you 00:42:38.739 --> 00:42:42.320 bought it and you want to train with it, at a 00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:45.440 cost of about less than two cents per shot. And 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:48.559 if you're using refillable CO2 or big cylinder 00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:50.659 tanks, then it can be as little as a fraction 00:42:50.659 --> 00:42:55.900 of a cent of CO2. So the acquisition cost is... 00:42:57.059 --> 00:43:00.619 between about 350 and 450 dollars depending on 00:43:00.619 --> 00:43:02.420 on what kind of laser you're getting and if you're 00:43:02.420 --> 00:43:05.699 getting any accessories uh but the the fact that 00:43:05.699 --> 00:43:08.789 you get to train with your firearm any anytime 00:43:08.789 --> 00:43:11.610 and anywhere where you have visual and audio 00:43:11.610 --> 00:43:16.489 privacy is is is priceless i mean we uh we have 00:43:16.489 --> 00:43:18.789 a video that we want to expand on this theme 00:43:18.789 --> 00:43:21.809 of uh while you make while you're baking a frozen 00:43:21.809 --> 00:43:24.670 pizza okay if you have a 20 minute time slot 00:43:24.670 --> 00:43:27.349 anywhere in your time schedule you come home 00:43:27.349 --> 00:43:30.309 from work and you know the kids roll out of the 00:43:30.309 --> 00:43:32.610 car they're saying daddy mommy i'm hungry you 00:43:32.610 --> 00:43:36.000 know they you Open the fridge, open the freezer, 00:43:36.139 --> 00:43:38.280 get that frozen pizza out, put it in the oven. 00:43:38.340 --> 00:43:41.739 And you have about 20 minutes of dead time where 00:43:41.739 --> 00:43:44.579 you can just play with your phone or, you know, 00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:47.539 kill time. Or you can say, I have 20 minutes. 00:43:48.219 --> 00:43:52.460 I can go to my home office, close the door. You 00:43:52.460 --> 00:43:55.820 don't want the kids to walk in on you. Take that 00:43:55.820 --> 00:43:59.480 pistol out of your holster. Render it safe, unload 00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:01.840 it, convert it with CoolFi Trainer in less than 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:04.059 a minute, charge it up with CO2 in, you know, 00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:07.820 5 to 10 seconds. And you can easily do a 100 00:44:07.820 --> 00:44:11.480 or 200 repetition workout. And when you hear 00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:14.420 that beep on that timer from the kitchen, holster 00:44:14.420 --> 00:44:16.460 the firearm, go to the kitchen, pull that pizza 00:44:16.460 --> 00:44:19.360 out of the oven. And while the pizza is cooling 00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:21.960 down, you can convert CoolFi back to live, you 00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:23.440 know, take it out of your gun, convert it back 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:26.429 to live fire. And in that 20 minutes of what 00:44:26.429 --> 00:44:28.530 would have been dead time, doom scrolling on 00:44:28.530 --> 00:44:32.349 your Facebook, on your phone, you can do the 00:44:32.349 --> 00:44:34.130 same thing before you leave the house in the 00:44:34.130 --> 00:44:37.050 morning. So this is really the value of Cool 00:44:37.050 --> 00:44:39.769 Fire Trainer, that you can train anywhere and 00:44:39.769 --> 00:44:42.409 anytime where you have privacy, where you can 00:44:42.409 --> 00:44:45.690 be in the room by yourself without anybody being 00:44:45.690 --> 00:44:49.329 freaked out by seeing gunplay, safe gunplay, 00:44:49.389 --> 00:44:53.780 but nevertheless. And get your reps in, get your 00:44:53.780 --> 00:44:57.159 reps in using, pulling your pistol out of your 00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:00.519 holster, clearing your garments, whatever business 00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:03.199 suit or whatever, whatever clothes you're wearing 00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:06.679 that day, you can practice the morning of with 00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:09.519 your setup. And that's what makes Cool Fire Trainer 00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:12.219 priceless. Then let's talk about then the complimentary 00:45:12.219 --> 00:45:14.800 systems and the integration with those, because 00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:17.940 anyone who's listened to this show more than 00:45:17.940 --> 00:45:20.900 a couple of times knows that. ken and i are all 00:45:20.900 --> 00:45:26.400 about the mantis x10 elite system and uh also 00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:29.079 they're like their laser training or laser academy 00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:33.099 training system to me personally i think that 00:45:33.099 --> 00:45:35.260 the combination of cool fire with the mantis 00:45:35.260 --> 00:45:39.500 x10 elite is the best training option available 00:45:39.500 --> 00:45:43.210 short of live fire in fact arguably in some cases 00:45:43.210 --> 00:45:45.329 better than live fire because the type of feedback 00:45:45.329 --> 00:45:47.929 that you get and the availability, like you said, 00:45:47.949 --> 00:45:49.809 to get it in your home office or your garage 00:45:49.809 --> 00:45:53.230 or your backyard or wherever. What do you have 00:45:53.230 --> 00:45:55.570 to say about those complementary systems? And 00:45:55.570 --> 00:45:58.429 are there others besides Mantis that you work 00:45:58.429 --> 00:46:01.360 with? Yes, CoolFire Trainer has many fans and 00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:03.480 we have many industry friends and admirers because 00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:07.699 it is such a compatible product that can synergize 00:46:07.699 --> 00:46:10.440 with other products. So let me just reset that. 00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:12.980 CoolFire Trainer converts your firearm for simulated 00:46:12.980 --> 00:46:16.119 recoil and you can use an optional laser. So 00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:20.260 that creates compatibilities with other products. 00:46:20.300 --> 00:46:23.690 So if you have laser targets. whether they are 00:46:23.690 --> 00:46:25.869 standalone battery -operated targets or whether 00:46:25.869 --> 00:46:27.789 they're camera -based targets like the Mantis 00:46:27.789 --> 00:46:32.590 Laser Academy, then many of them, certainly the 00:46:32.590 --> 00:46:35.090 good ones, will work with the CoolFi Trainer 00:46:35.090 --> 00:46:39.269 Laser. So that is a huge plus. Our laser means 00:46:39.269 --> 00:46:43.130 that it's compatible with the target. Then the 00:46:43.130 --> 00:46:45.750 Mantis X device that you mentioned, that is, 00:46:45.849 --> 00:46:49.469 for listeners who are not familiar, I'm not a 00:46:49.469 --> 00:46:51.329 technician, but my understanding is that it's, 00:46:51.329 --> 00:46:53.789 and I have one, I have used them. It's essentially 00:46:53.789 --> 00:46:59.429 a gyroscope that will scan, monitor, sensor the 00:46:59.429 --> 00:47:01.550 movements of your gun just prior to the shot 00:47:01.550 --> 00:47:05.630 fired during the actual operation of the trigger 00:47:05.630 --> 00:47:08.489 and just after you fired the shot. So you will 00:47:08.489 --> 00:47:12.420 get a reading of how stable. Your hold was on 00:47:12.420 --> 00:47:15.539 your gun. And which way were you moving the gun? 00:47:15.619 --> 00:47:17.639 Were you dipping the muzzle because of anticipation? 00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:20.800 Were you milking the trigger left or right? You 00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:23.719 know, did you control any kind of muzzle movement 00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:26.139 effectively? This comes back to using the same 00:47:26.139 --> 00:47:29.300 muscles as you would in live fire and gripping 00:47:29.300 --> 00:47:32.420 the gun hard. So the Mantis X device is very 00:47:32.420 --> 00:47:35.460 complimentary, and we are actually a dealer of 00:47:35.460 --> 00:47:38.900 Mantis X because the three products, your pistol, 00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:42.019 Cool Fire Trainer, and the Mantis X, give you 00:47:42.019 --> 00:47:44.460 a very synergistic, a very wholesome training 00:47:44.460 --> 00:47:47.429 experience. And I'm going to point out to people, 00:47:47.530 --> 00:47:51.909 too, that the Mantis software, which is core 00:47:51.909 --> 00:47:55.110 to the experience with the Mantis X10 Elite, 00:47:55.269 --> 00:47:57.769 and I am pushing that particular model. They 00:47:57.769 --> 00:48:00.570 do have other Mantis X models. It's worth just 00:48:00.570 --> 00:48:03.329 going for the X10 Elite, in my opinion, does 00:48:03.329 --> 00:48:06.730 have a CO2 setting. So you can tell it that. 00:48:06.989 --> 00:48:09.590 OK, this is not dry fire. This is not live fire. 00:48:09.670 --> 00:48:12.710 This is the gun been modified with CO2. And it 00:48:12.710 --> 00:48:15.869 accommodates that and still gives you valuable 00:48:15.869 --> 00:48:18.570 feedback. So you don't it isn't one flavor fits 00:48:18.570 --> 00:48:22.150 all. You can tell the Mantis system how you set 00:48:22.150 --> 00:48:25.489 the gun up so that it gives you the right level 00:48:25.489 --> 00:48:28.500 of feedback. yes yes indeed and one of the good 00:48:28.500 --> 00:48:30.639 things about the mantis x system which again 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:32.559 we sell on our website because we're a dealer 00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:35.179 is that you can put it on your pistol or you 00:48:35.179 --> 00:48:39.000 can put it on your ar -15 rifle and i would submit 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:43.320 to you that your own rifle with a cool fire trainer 00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:45.599 that gives you the felt recoil that gives you 00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:47.639 the audio report that gives you the trigger reset 00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:50.820 with the mantis system is just about as good 00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:53.400 a training as you can get without shooting live 00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:58.320 ammo so there are some There are some training 00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:01.500 options where Mantis have incorporated their 00:49:01.500 --> 00:49:05.820 sensor technology into a non -firearm, which 00:49:05.820 --> 00:49:08.400 is basically a clicking non -gun, certainly has 00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:10.679 its uses. But if you wish to train with your 00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:13.679 firearm with recoil and get the same kind of 00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:17.400 sensor readings on the Mantis app, then the Mantis 00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:20.820 10 Elite in combination with your real firearm 00:49:20.820 --> 00:49:22.679 and with Coolfire Trainer is the way to go. That's 00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:25.420 just as good as it gets. That's cutting edge. 00:49:26.090 --> 00:49:29.449 So you have competitors, maybe without naming 00:49:29.449 --> 00:49:32.289 them directly. There are other companies that 00:49:32.289 --> 00:49:36.409 have what sounds to me like maybe systems that 00:49:36.409 --> 00:49:39.369 were like your original one that was meant for 00:49:39.369 --> 00:49:42.650 institutional use that are tethered to an external 00:49:42.650 --> 00:49:47.170 CO2 bottle or things like that. Why are you the 00:49:47.170 --> 00:49:51.210 leader in this industry or in this segment of 00:49:51.210 --> 00:49:53.670 this industry above and beyond your competitors? 00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:56.860 And don't forget to mention price because I've 00:49:56.860 --> 00:49:58.599 looked at some of those competitors and they 00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:02.000 cost more than yours and they don't give you 00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:05.440 the experience of using your actual gun. Indeed, 00:50:05.539 --> 00:50:07.980 yes. Well, we have two kinds of competitors, 00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:09.880 as you mentioned, the institutional ones and 00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:11.780 the individual ones. So the institutional competitors, 00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:14.719 really our closest competitor is our own sister 00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:16.719 company, Lvorak Instruments, that makes those 00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:19.380 recall kits for institutional users like police 00:50:19.380 --> 00:50:22.179 departments and military units. The Israeli Defense 00:50:22.179 --> 00:50:24.980 Force is a heavy user and so on. But the price 00:50:24.980 --> 00:50:27.820 tag is for, we shared this joke earlier before 00:50:27.820 --> 00:50:31.280 we went on air, it's for when your boss is paying 00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:34.780 rather than when your wife is paying. So that's 00:50:34.780 --> 00:50:37.539 our nearest competitor, our own sister company 00:50:37.539 --> 00:50:40.719 for recall kits that are intended really for 00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:42.980 an institution that can dedicate a firearm to 00:50:42.980 --> 00:50:45.179 training that has a permanent facility and so 00:50:45.179 --> 00:50:48.079 on. The other types of competitors that we have 00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:51.699 are various dry fire tools, some of which are 00:50:51.699 --> 00:50:53.760 actually compatible and complementary, such as 00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:56.760 the Mantis X that we just discussed. But there 00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:59.300 are other training tools that are competitors 00:50:59.300 --> 00:51:01.639 because they may be cheaper, but they are also 00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:04.139 more limited in their value added and their scope. 00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:08.179 For example, you have a class of laser cartridges 00:51:08.179 --> 00:51:10.980 that insert into the chamber of your pistol. 00:51:11.550 --> 00:51:13.989 This is pretty old technology. It's going on, 00:51:14.050 --> 00:51:17.050 I think, at least 15 years. It was very innovative 00:51:17.050 --> 00:51:19.690 when it came out. But you go back to the limitations 00:51:19.690 --> 00:51:22.389 of dry fire, that with a striker fired pistol 00:51:22.389 --> 00:51:24.570 like a Glock, you get one click and then you 00:51:24.570 --> 00:51:27.289 have to rack the slide again. So Cool Fire Trainer 00:51:27.289 --> 00:51:31.050 gives you a laser hit, but also that recoil and 00:51:31.050 --> 00:51:33.590 the trigger reset for multiple shots, at least 00:51:33.590 --> 00:51:36.869 a magazine's worth of shots. That's the CO2 capacity 00:51:36.869 --> 00:51:40.900 of a typical barrel. There are other... competing 00:51:40.900 --> 00:51:43.360 products that are basically non -firearms where 00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:46.219 it's some kind of a replica it's a non uh it 00:51:46.219 --> 00:51:48.780 looks like a pistol but it but it isn't uh it 00:51:48.780 --> 00:51:51.019 can be airsoft based or some kind of a trigger 00:51:51.019 --> 00:51:53.800 resetting clicking tool they have that place 00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:58.380 if you uh want to store the firearm in in a place 00:51:59.050 --> 00:52:01.670 that is not very secure like for example in your 00:52:01.670 --> 00:52:04.550 desk drawer at work or something like that or 00:52:04.550 --> 00:52:07.429 if you want to train in a non -permissive environment 00:52:07.429 --> 00:52:09.429 where there are absolutely no firearms allowed 00:52:09.429 --> 00:52:12.829 ever like a school in some jurisdictions but 00:52:12.829 --> 00:52:16.469 uh absent those two conditions the the haphazard 00:52:16.469 --> 00:52:20.150 storage or the less secure storage and uh and 00:52:20.150 --> 00:52:23.030 the non -permissive training environments training 00:52:23.030 --> 00:52:27.409 with your firearm and with recoil is Just second 00:52:27.409 --> 00:52:29.909 to none. It really is something that you need 00:52:29.909 --> 00:52:32.570 to feel to appreciate if you haven't felt it 00:52:32.570 --> 00:52:34.510 before. Many people tell us, oh, yeah, well, 00:52:34.630 --> 00:52:36.969 Airsoft does the same thing. It gives you a gun 00:52:36.969 --> 00:52:39.409 that reciprocates the slide and recalls. You 00:52:39.409 --> 00:52:42.349 know, it doesn't. Come visit us at a trade show. 00:52:42.489 --> 00:52:44.829 And the NRA trade show is coming up next week. 00:52:44.889 --> 00:52:49.139 Visit us at booth 705 if you're around. And try 00:52:49.139 --> 00:52:52.119 it out. We've had the same reaction from airsoft 00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:53.980 people so many times where they say, wow, you 00:52:53.980 --> 00:52:56.019 know, I have like, I'm an airsofter. I grew up 00:52:56.019 --> 00:52:59.219 with airsoft. I have the top of the range airsoft 00:52:59.219 --> 00:53:01.860 guns, but this thing recoils three or four times 00:53:01.860 --> 00:53:05.099 harder than the best airsoft that I have. And 00:53:05.099 --> 00:53:07.900 there's just no comparison. What other types 00:53:07.900 --> 00:53:11.380 of drills can you do with a cool fire installed, 00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:14.880 like training for malfunctions, stuff like that, 00:53:14.940 --> 00:53:18.619 that you otherwise maybe couldn't do? Like, I 00:53:18.619 --> 00:53:21.440 really don't care for training for malfunctions 00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:24.099 on a live range with live ammunition unless I'm 00:53:24.099 --> 00:53:26.719 maybe putting a snap cap in to see do I have 00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:29.139 a flinch response. But I kind of prefer not doing 00:53:29.139 --> 00:53:32.059 that. And I think that CoolFire probably offers 00:53:32.059 --> 00:53:35.079 some opportunities to, again, you know, train 00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:37.559 at home or wherever, but maybe do some certain 00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:41.119 types of drills safer than you would otherwise 00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:45.280 be doing with live ammunition. Yes, indeed. So 00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:48.059 CoolFi Trainer converts a real firearm, your 00:53:48.059 --> 00:53:50.619 real firearm, to behave realistically, cycle 00:53:50.619 --> 00:53:53.480 the action with each trigger pull. Because it 00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:56.440 does that, you can interrupt that operating cycle 00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:59.360 in various ways and get a pretty realistic response. 00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:02.360 So to take the malfunction clearance drills, 00:54:02.500 --> 00:54:04.539 there are four malfunctions clearance drills 00:54:04.539 --> 00:54:06.780 that have some kind of an immediate clearance. 00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:10.820 procedure that will clear the gun for the next 00:54:10.820 --> 00:54:16.599 shot. So very early on in 2016 or 17, we, and 00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:20.239 I was deep into this, we didn't rest until we 00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:23.260 found ways of replicating all four of these malfunctions 00:54:23.260 --> 00:54:25.519 with cool fire. And if you look at our YouTube 00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:27.119 channel, I think we still have some of those 00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:29.840 old videos out there. So if you take a stovepipe 00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:33.460 malfunction, which is formerly known as a failure 00:54:33.460 --> 00:54:36.519 to eject, You can replicate the same thing with 00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:38.239 cool fire training. You simply take a dummy round 00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:41.500 or an empty casing and peel the slide back and 00:54:41.500 --> 00:54:43.820 put the dummy round or the casing against the 00:54:43.820 --> 00:54:47.579 breech face and let it close on the barrel and 00:54:47.579 --> 00:54:50.199 then start the drill. So whether you like to 00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:52.599 rack the slide to release the round and feed 00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:54.400 the next one in the chamber, as would happen 00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:57.119 in live fire, or sweep across the top of the 00:54:57.119 --> 00:55:02.150 pistol and sweep the... the unejected casing 00:55:02.150 --> 00:55:04.829 out of the way. It works the same way with cool 00:55:04.829 --> 00:55:06.469 fire as it does with live fire. And then you 00:55:06.469 --> 00:55:08.230 can just continue firing because that's when 00:55:08.230 --> 00:55:10.309 the firing pin will actually reach the activation 00:55:10.309 --> 00:55:14.869 striker in our system and give you the cycling. 00:55:15.710 --> 00:55:17.889 The next malfunction, failure to fire. That's 00:55:17.889 --> 00:55:19.510 when you get a click instead of a bang, either 00:55:19.510 --> 00:55:21.210 because you have an empty chamber or because 00:55:21.210 --> 00:55:23.150 your ammunition is bad. Typically, the primer 00:55:23.150 --> 00:55:26.010 is too hard or there's something wrong with it. 00:55:26.449 --> 00:55:28.409 So the way that you can simulate that with CoolFire 00:55:28.409 --> 00:55:31.230 Trainer is by taking, and this will vary from 00:55:31.230 --> 00:55:34.730 gun to gun, but you can take a piece of debris 00:55:34.730 --> 00:55:37.989 that's just the right size and put it between 00:55:37.989 --> 00:55:41.369 the back of the CoolFire barrel and the breech 00:55:41.369 --> 00:55:43.550 phase. And what you will, in fact, create is 00:55:43.550 --> 00:55:46.829 a little gap. So when you pull the trigger, the 00:55:46.829 --> 00:55:49.710 firing pin will protrude beyond the breech face, 00:55:49.809 --> 00:55:52.730 but it will not reach what it needs to reach 00:55:52.730 --> 00:55:55.170 in our system to activate the recoil. So you 00:55:55.170 --> 00:55:57.269 will get a click, just like you would if you 00:55:57.269 --> 00:55:59.349 put a dummy around in your magazine and live 00:55:59.349 --> 00:56:02.210 fire, put the mag in and feed it in the chamber, 00:56:02.309 --> 00:56:04.570 pull the trigger, get a click. And the way you 00:56:04.570 --> 00:56:07.039 clear it... traditionally in live fire is you 00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:09.920 tap and rack tap the magazine and rack the slide 00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:12.519 or smash and rip as some instructors call it 00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:14.659 the same thing works with cool fire when you 00:56:14.659 --> 00:56:17.699 tap the magazine smash it and as you rack the 00:56:17.699 --> 00:56:20.980 slide that piece of debris will fall out and 00:56:20.980 --> 00:56:23.480 now the breech face will uh will go fully into 00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:26.039 into battery and you can then fire the next shot 00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:29.949 so that's your failure to fire drill The double 00:56:29.949 --> 00:56:31.989 feed malfunction or failure to extract, that's 00:56:31.989 --> 00:56:34.050 when there are two cartridges trying to occupy 00:56:34.050 --> 00:56:36.010 the same chamber. Typically, when you fire a 00:56:36.010 --> 00:56:41.989 round and the extractor slips over the remove 00:56:41.989 --> 00:56:44.070 the casing and the casing is still in the barrel, 00:56:44.190 --> 00:56:46.670 but the slide is trying to feed a new round into 00:56:46.670 --> 00:56:50.210 the chamber. So in live fire, the way you would 00:56:50.210 --> 00:56:53.909 resolve that is typically you would do tap rack 00:56:53.909 --> 00:56:56.449 and it will not resolve it. So you then proceed 00:56:56.449 --> 00:56:59.769 to remove the magazine. rack the slide several 00:56:59.769 --> 00:57:02.389 times to get that casing out of the chamber, 00:57:02.710 --> 00:57:06.170 reinsert the mag, rack the slide, and then continue 00:57:06.170 --> 00:57:08.849 firing as necessary. With Cool Fire Trainer, 00:57:09.090 --> 00:57:11.090 the way that you can replicate that is you simply 00:57:11.090 --> 00:57:13.369 take an empty magazine for your pistol, and you 00:57:13.369 --> 00:57:15.449 take a dummy round, and you put the dummy round 00:57:15.449 --> 00:57:18.929 in the magazine. And when you fire a shot, that 00:57:18.929 --> 00:57:22.190 dummy round will get stuck between that no man's 00:57:22.190 --> 00:57:25.719 land space, between the magazine, and the bottom 00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:28.579 of the cool fire trainer mechanism and the same 00:57:28.579 --> 00:57:33.239 behavior will follow that if you tap the magazine 00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:35.440 and rack the slide it will not resolve the problem 00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:37.840 you will be forced to remove the magazine at 00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:40.099 which point the the dummy round will typically 00:57:40.099 --> 00:57:43.519 roll out and then you come you proceed to complete 00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:45.940 the drill rack the slide several times reinsert 00:57:45.940 --> 00:57:48.980 the mag rack the slide again and fire a shot 00:57:48.980 --> 00:57:51.780 by the way if you have an empty magazine if you 00:57:51.780 --> 00:57:54.260 rack the slide it will lock back so we provide 00:57:54.260 --> 00:57:57.519 magazine inserts with cool fire trainer this 00:57:57.519 --> 00:57:59.760 is the tap rack training aid for those who are 00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:03.699 familiar it's essentially a a little baby follower 00:58:03.699 --> 00:58:06.340 that pushes the magazine's follower down and 00:58:06.340 --> 00:58:08.900 prevents slide long so if you have one of these 00:58:08.900 --> 00:58:11.219 tap rack training aid inserts in your magazine 00:58:11.219 --> 00:58:14.059 and put a dummy around on top of it you can perform 00:58:14.059 --> 00:58:18.259 the uh the double feed malfunction drill And 00:58:18.259 --> 00:58:21.619 furthermore, you cannot reliably replicate a 00:58:21.619 --> 00:58:23.760 double feed malfunction in live fire on the range 00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:26.840 if you're a trainer and you want to set it up 00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:28.760 for your student. But with Cool Fire Trainer, 00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:30.820 you can do what I call the dog bowl drill. So 00:58:30.820 --> 00:58:33.360 imagine you have a dog bowl and you put a couple 00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:36.079 of mags in. One is an empty mag with the insert. 00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:38.659 It gives you the continuous shooting. And another 00:58:38.659 --> 00:58:41.440 magazine has the dummy round. And you close your 00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:44.099 eyes and you shuffle the mags in the dog bowl 00:58:44.099 --> 00:58:47.039 and you pick a magazine. Half the time you will 00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:48.699 get the double feed malfunction and the other 00:58:48.699 --> 00:58:50.719 half the time you will get continuous shooting. 00:58:51.300 --> 00:58:55.780 So you can train yourself to deal with a malfunction 00:58:55.780 --> 00:58:58.619 that is a surprise to you when it happens. And 00:58:58.619 --> 00:59:01.960 that is uniquely a cool fire benefit. That doesn't 00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:03.980 happen even in live fire, certainly not reliably. 00:59:04.699 --> 00:59:06.340 Yeah, I'd like to talk about some of the accessories 00:59:06.340 --> 00:59:08.940 like the rapid fill adapter and the extend a 00:59:08.940 --> 00:59:12.300 shot and also the simulator for the PC. You can 00:59:12.300 --> 00:59:14.079 talk to us a little bit about that. Yeah, that'd 00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:17.989 be great. So a cool fire trainer is an engine 00:59:17.989 --> 00:59:20.849 that converts your firearm for what we call semi 00:59:20.849 --> 00:59:22.909 -automatic dry fire. And it's compatible with 00:59:22.909 --> 00:59:25.070 various accessories that further enhance its 00:59:25.070 --> 00:59:30.050 utility. As I mentioned, the barrel of the cool 00:59:30.050 --> 00:59:34.250 fire trainer barrel is the reservoir, the fuel 00:59:34.250 --> 00:59:38.130 tank for CO2. So if you have a decent sized pistol, 00:59:38.210 --> 00:59:42.030 like a Glock 17 or a 5 -inch 1911, then the internal 00:59:42.030 --> 00:59:44.849 volume of that barrel is how many shots you will 00:59:44.849 --> 00:59:49.510 have powered by CO2. So you get typically a magazine's 00:59:49.510 --> 00:59:53.210 worth of shots, like 17 and Glock 17 or 20 or 00:59:53.210 --> 00:59:57.630 even 25 in a 1911 or 2011. But if you have a 00:59:57.630 --> 01:00:02.570 small pistol, like a Sig 365, you might get about 01:00:02.570 --> 01:00:04.989 10 or 12 shots, which is about a mag's worth, 01:00:05.130 --> 01:00:08.090 but it may be a little disappointing. We call 01:00:08.090 --> 01:00:11.179 that a California magazine's worth. Yes, yes, 01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:13.900 indeed. I used to live in New York City, so that's 01:00:13.900 --> 01:00:16.460 still above the seven rounds that you get in 01:00:16.460 --> 01:00:20.300 NYC. So if you want to extend the capacity of 01:00:20.300 --> 01:00:23.940 this native fuel tank that you have constrained 01:00:23.940 --> 01:00:26.760 by the volume of the barrel, you can get what 01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:30.239 we call capacity extenders. There are two flavors. 01:00:30.420 --> 01:00:32.179 One is called the rapid fill adapter, and the 01:00:32.179 --> 01:00:34.619 other one is called an extender shot. So the 01:00:34.619 --> 01:00:37.440 extender shot is essentially a mock suppressor. 01:00:37.789 --> 01:00:40.090 And it adds about four inches to the length of 01:00:40.090 --> 01:00:41.909 your gun. It really does look like a suppressor. 01:00:41.969 --> 01:00:45.269 We actually provided it for some movie makers 01:00:45.269 --> 01:00:49.090 to use in some movies or perhaps TV shows in 01:00:49.090 --> 01:00:52.610 a suppressor scene. And that screws into the 01:00:52.610 --> 01:00:54.710 barrel and it essentially extends the volume 01:00:54.710 --> 01:00:58.829 capacity of the barrel to... by another 40 shots 01:00:58.829 --> 01:01:01.469 so combined with the barrel you get a total of 01:01:01.469 --> 01:01:05.210 50 60 sometimes 70 shots so you fill your pistol 01:01:05.210 --> 01:01:08.289 uh with cool fire trainer and it takes about 01:01:08.289 --> 01:01:10.329 five seconds and you have more than a box of 01:01:10.329 --> 01:01:12.409 ammunition in the gun and you can be very very 01:01:12.409 --> 01:01:14.869 productive with your training the rapid fill 01:01:14.869 --> 01:01:19.389 adapter is uh is a shortened version that adds 01:01:19.389 --> 01:01:21.329 about one and three quarter inches to the length 01:01:21.329 --> 01:01:23.409 of your pistol so if you started with a glock 01:01:23.409 --> 01:01:25.329 19 you might end up with a something that looks 01:01:25.329 --> 01:01:28.510 like a glock 34. And if you have an open front 01:01:28.510 --> 01:01:31.030 holster, you can then put your pistol in the 01:01:31.030 --> 01:01:32.969 holster and simply lift the gun just a little 01:01:32.969 --> 01:01:34.730 bit higher when you're drawing because the gun 01:01:34.730 --> 01:01:37.170 is now a little bit longer. And you get the same 01:01:37.170 --> 01:01:40.449 volume extension by about 40 shots in addition 01:01:40.449 --> 01:01:42.909 to whatever shots you had in the barrel. So typically 01:01:42.909 --> 01:01:46.920 about 50, 60, sometimes 70 shots per fill. So 01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:49.800 if you want to look cool like James Bond and, 01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:52.860 you know, use the extender shot that looks like 01:01:52.860 --> 01:01:55.159 the mock suppressor. And on a more serious point, 01:01:55.219 --> 01:01:57.840 many people are actually taking advantage of 01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:01.179 the new rules on suppressor acquisition. So if 01:02:01.179 --> 01:02:03.639 you want to train with your pistol and see what 01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:05.460 it would be like to draw it from a pistol, maybe 01:02:05.460 --> 01:02:08.719 from a shoulder holster, then the extender shot, 01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:11.199 mock suppressor, cool fire trainer, capacity 01:02:11.199 --> 01:02:13.760 extender will allow you to train that way. But 01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:17.489 for most people, the rapid fill adapter, is more 01:02:17.489 --> 01:02:19.150 convenient because it makes your pistol only 01:02:19.150 --> 01:02:20.889 one and three quarter inches longer and it's 01:02:20.889 --> 01:02:23.230 just easier to manage with holster draws and 01:02:23.230 --> 01:02:26.429 reholstering. These are the capacity extenders. 01:02:27.449 --> 01:02:29.949 I think that the rapid -fill adapter is actually 01:02:29.949 --> 01:02:33.030 the one I should be getting. We don't know when 01:02:33.030 --> 01:02:35.190 or if we're going to get suppressors in California, 01:02:35.269 --> 01:02:39.489 but it also probably has a more analogous feel 01:02:39.489 --> 01:02:41.869 to the gun because you're not putting the weight 01:02:41.869 --> 01:02:44.030 out front, so the balance isn't going to be too 01:02:44.030 --> 01:02:46.349 affected. And I do like the idea of adding that 01:02:46.349 --> 01:02:50.090 to my G17 because I don't have that product yet, 01:02:50.150 --> 01:02:52.630 so I definitely want to get that. I did notice 01:02:52.630 --> 01:02:55.110 on your accessories that you can do it with and 01:02:55.110 --> 01:02:59.800 without lasers. Do all of the products work with 01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:02.610 and without lasers? Yes, yes, they do. But let 01:03:02.610 --> 01:03:05.690 me reassure you on the weight and the center 01:03:05.690 --> 01:03:09.070 of gravity of your pistol. So our mock suppressor, 01:03:09.070 --> 01:03:10.989 the extender shot, it looks like a suppressor, 01:03:10.989 --> 01:03:13.469 but it is very, very lightweight because we hollow 01:03:13.469 --> 01:03:16.369 it out as much as we can to maximize the internal 01:03:16.369 --> 01:03:20.929 volume for CO2. So the center of gravity of your 01:03:20.929 --> 01:03:23.210 pistol will not change with either one. So if 01:03:23.210 --> 01:03:25.050 you want to be romantic and get that James Bond 01:03:25.050 --> 01:03:28.170 suppressor, then go right ahead. It's fine. You'll 01:03:28.170 --> 01:03:31.260 train in the privacy of your home. and you can 01:03:31.260 --> 01:03:33.159 treat yourself. Well, I'll put something out 01:03:33.159 --> 01:03:36.079 there for people, too, that if you want to use 01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:39.380 the extended shot, then a product that we saw 01:03:39.380 --> 01:03:43.119 at SHOT Show made by ORPAZ, that's O -R -P -A 01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:46.260 -Z holsters, they had the first, what I thought 01:03:46.260 --> 01:03:50.039 was good quality, viable, suppressor -focused 01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:53.980 pistol holster out there. you know maybe it's 01:03:53.980 --> 01:03:56.039 time for an upgrade on your holster too and go 01:03:56.039 --> 01:03:58.300 with the or pods and then made it with your gun 01:03:58.300 --> 01:04:00.760 and the extended shot but you're also going to 01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:03.260 talk about now i think your new simulator that 01:04:03.260 --> 01:04:06.900 you have yes indeed so uh lasers and simulators 01:04:06.900 --> 01:04:10.780 so We make simulated recoil kits for pistols 01:04:10.780 --> 01:04:14.460 and about 180 different models and you can either 01:04:14.460 --> 01:04:16.659 have a what we call a muzzle laser that screws 01:04:16.659 --> 01:04:19.219 into the muzzle that adds about an inch or two 01:04:19.219 --> 01:04:21.460 the length of your barrel so it's just a little 01:04:21.460 --> 01:04:24.000 bit longer than a threaded barrel would be or 01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:26.400 you have the rapid fill adapter or the extender 01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:28.420 shot extenders that we just talked about with 01:04:28.420 --> 01:04:31.889 a laser at the end. And the lasers come, we also 01:04:31.889 --> 01:04:34.110 make a simulated recoil kit called the Sidekick 01:04:34.110 --> 01:04:37.630 for the AR -15 rifle that has a laser inside. 01:04:38.619 --> 01:04:41.440 inside the chamber of the rifle. And these lasers 01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:45.139 come in two main flavors. One is that they are 01:04:45.139 --> 01:04:48.980 visible red lasers where your eyes can see the 01:04:48.980 --> 01:04:52.960 laser hits and some electronic targets and some 01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:55.199 camera -based targets can also see the red laser. 01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:58.119 For example, the Mantis Laser Academy requires 01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:01.320 the visible red laser because you are using your 01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:05.440 smartphone camera. The other type of laser is 01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:08.920 an infrared laser. So your eyes cannot see those 01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:12.119 hits, but there are some targets that require 01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:16.099 it. So many camera -based targets, you know, 01:05:16.119 --> 01:05:18.320 we have a projector screen simulator projected 01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:20.739 on a screen in a kind of movie theater type setting. 01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:24.460 They typically require an infrared laser because 01:05:24.460 --> 01:05:27.599 they have an infrared camera that scans the hit. 01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:30.539 So we have infrared lasers available. And they 01:05:30.539 --> 01:05:33.320 work with various simulators on the market, including 01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:35.619 our own simulator that we introduced recently. 01:05:35.900 --> 01:05:37.920 You can see the full details on our website. 01:05:38.260 --> 01:05:42.960 It's a simulator package with some marksmanship 01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:46.619 scenarios that have excellent analytics. So if 01:05:46.619 --> 01:05:49.460 you are into looking at your shot placement, 01:05:49.539 --> 01:05:52.820 at your split times, and really review what your 01:05:52.820 --> 01:05:55.940 performance was, and you want to do the same 01:05:55.940 --> 01:06:01.909 drill. and really get to the cutting edge of 01:06:01.909 --> 01:06:03.929 where you can be with your performance, that 01:06:03.929 --> 01:06:06.829 our simulator is truly excellent with those analytics. 01:06:06.969 --> 01:06:09.030 That's how it stands out on the market. Very 01:06:09.030 --> 01:06:11.070 good. And will you have that at the NRA show 01:06:11.070 --> 01:06:14.730 next week, the demo? Yes, we presented it at 01:06:14.730 --> 01:06:17.570 multiple shows, including SHOT Show in January, 01:06:17.610 --> 01:06:19.469 and we'll have it at the NRA show that's coming 01:06:19.469 --> 01:06:22.210 up next week, yes. I think you should go back 01:06:22.210 --> 01:06:26.119 to TACCON to tell you the truth. I do. I think 01:06:26.119 --> 01:06:28.739 that this would be a great ad. I just got back 01:06:28.739 --> 01:06:30.679 from TACCON. We'll talk about that in another 01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:33.679 show. But I mean, I think that you could have 01:06:33.679 --> 01:06:37.280 a session there that would be very, very productive 01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:39.639 for you because you've got all those national 01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:42.920 level trainers who show up who maybe aren't experienced 01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:46.099 with it. And you've got a very, very serious 01:06:46.099 --> 01:06:48.619 audience. I think you should insert yourself 01:06:48.619 --> 01:06:51.340 into that again. Yes, indeed. And, you know, 01:06:51.380 --> 01:06:53.960 trainers are an excellent audience for us because 01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:58.119 they can appreciate the topic that I wanted to 01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:01.599 evolve a little bit. You asked me about how trainers 01:07:01.599 --> 01:07:04.360 can use Schoolfire Trainer. And I mentioned that 01:07:04.360 --> 01:07:07.340 they can basically work with an individual in 01:07:07.340 --> 01:07:11.119 the comfort and safety of a classroom or being 01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:14.760 off range. Let me mention this. A typical reaction 01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:16.800 that we get at trade shows is that, oh, this 01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:19.440 is an excellent training tool for beginners who 01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:21.639 are scared of, you know, flinching, who are scared 01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:24.000 of the sound of recall and so on and so forth. 01:07:24.219 --> 01:07:26.539 And that's not wrong. It is, a cool fire trainer 01:07:26.539 --> 01:07:28.320 is an excellent training tool for beginners. 01:07:28.460 --> 01:07:30.219 So if you have somebody in your life, perhaps 01:07:30.219 --> 01:07:33.639 a relative or, you know, a teenager that you 01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:35.340 want to train up, cool fire is an excellent way 01:07:35.340 --> 01:07:37.710 of doing it. But I would submit that CoolFire 01:07:37.710 --> 01:07:39.849 Trainer allows you to train not just the beginner, 01:07:40.010 --> 01:07:42.889 but also intermediate skills and also advanced 01:07:42.889 --> 01:07:47.070 level skills. Earlier in this segment, we talked 01:07:47.070 --> 01:07:48.969 about the malfunction clearance drills, and I 01:07:48.969 --> 01:07:52.349 forgot to mention the failure to go into battery 01:07:52.349 --> 01:07:53.989 drill. There's a way to set that up as well. 01:07:54.389 --> 01:07:57.949 So I consider, and I'm certified as an instructor 01:07:57.949 --> 01:08:03.070 under Masada Yub Group for LiFire, malfunction 01:08:03.070 --> 01:08:07.059 clearance drills are, typically taught as a intermediate 01:08:07.059 --> 01:08:09.199 type curriculum, that they are not taught in 01:08:09.199 --> 01:08:11.400 beginner classes because you don't want to overwhelm 01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:14.639 the student. So because you can teach the malfunction 01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:17.640 clearance drills in a classroom setting, either 01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:19.800 by choice or by necessity, you know, we've all 01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:21.600 been to the range when it started raining and 01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:23.539 thundering and the little league app told you 01:08:23.539 --> 01:08:25.279 that lightning was a little too close and you 01:08:25.279 --> 01:08:27.760 had to retreat to the clubhouse and just wait. 01:08:28.859 --> 01:08:31.020 Training can continue even in that kind of environment 01:08:31.020 --> 01:08:34.260 by teaching intermediate topics that we talked 01:08:34.260 --> 01:08:38.220 about. But you can also teach advanced topics. 01:08:38.619 --> 01:08:42.390 And let me give you a couple of examples. If 01:08:42.390 --> 01:08:45.189 you want to do something like one -handed reloads 01:08:45.189 --> 01:08:47.130 where you simulate that you've been shot in one 01:08:47.130 --> 01:08:49.310 arm, you only have one hand available and you 01:08:49.310 --> 01:08:51.289 need to reload your pistol. You drop the magazine 01:08:51.289 --> 01:08:53.649 and you place the pistol somewhere on your body 01:08:53.649 --> 01:08:55.489 between your knees or in your holster reverse 01:08:55.489 --> 01:09:00.090 or in your belt or whatever else. You use your 01:09:00.090 --> 01:09:02.529 good hand to insert a new magazine in the gun 01:09:02.529 --> 01:09:04.869 and then you pick up the pistol and you rack 01:09:04.869 --> 01:09:08.930 the slide somewhere. Some versions of these drills 01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:12.460 you come pretty close to pointing the gun at 01:09:12.460 --> 01:09:16.239 your own body, at your feet, at your knees, perhaps 01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:20.579 at your hips. Or shooting from awkward positions, 01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:24.220 shooting from supine or shooting when you're 01:09:24.220 --> 01:09:26.800 lying on your side, when you need to take care 01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:28.979 of where the gun is pointed relative to your 01:09:28.979 --> 01:09:33.819 feet. Those are advanced skills. And if you can 01:09:33.819 --> 01:09:37.939 train with your students, with their own real 01:09:37.939 --> 01:09:40.579 firearm that behaves realistically and yet is 01:09:40.579 --> 01:09:43.680 rendered safe, and confirm that they mastered 01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:45.560 the technique, even under stress, even under 01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:47.779 high stress rate, after doing jumping jabs and 01:09:47.779 --> 01:09:49.859 push -ups, and, okay, show me that you know how 01:09:49.859 --> 01:09:53.859 to do this, and then proceed to live fire, I 01:09:53.859 --> 01:09:57.420 submit that that will de -risk the delivery of 01:09:57.420 --> 01:10:00.520 your curriculum in advanced topics and allow 01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:04.069 trainers to... really work with students until 01:10:04.069 --> 01:10:06.529 they have it down pat and only then go to the 01:10:06.529 --> 01:10:10.289 live fire range. So whether beginner, intermediate, 01:10:10.470 --> 01:10:13.289 or advanced curriculum, a cool fire trainer is 01:10:13.289 --> 01:10:15.789 of interest to firearm trainers who are serious 01:10:15.789 --> 01:10:17.630 about delivering the best training using the 01:10:17.630 --> 01:10:20.229 best tools. And yes, we should deliver this message 01:10:20.229 --> 01:10:23.220 to TACCON, definitely. So as we start to finish 01:10:23.220 --> 01:10:25.659 out here, Jan, do you have any other topics that 01:10:25.659 --> 01:10:27.260 we didn't cover that you want to provide a little 01:10:27.260 --> 01:10:30.220 bit more detail for that really distinguish CoolFire 01:10:30.220 --> 01:10:32.939 from the rest of the competition or not just 01:10:32.939 --> 01:10:36.239 even your competition, but other methodologies 01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:39.000 by which a person would train and why they should 01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:41.300 really be making the investment in your product, 01:10:41.439 --> 01:10:43.579 knowing that it's not the cheapest thing out 01:10:43.579 --> 01:10:45.739 there, but it's still frugal in the construct 01:10:45.739 --> 01:10:48.800 of the training value you're getting and the 01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:51.789 offset in costs like. You know, one thing we 01:10:51.789 --> 01:10:54.649 didn't even mention was the ability to train 01:10:54.649 --> 01:10:56.710 and then not have to clean your gun. I mean, 01:10:56.729 --> 01:10:59.270 how many people, you know, think you can get 01:10:59.270 --> 01:11:01.569 500 rounds out of a gun and then, I mean, you 01:11:01.569 --> 01:11:03.550 could just put it down and not lube it and not 01:11:03.550 --> 01:11:06.909 do anything else. But you don't really, except 01:11:06.909 --> 01:11:09.210 for maybe, you know, lubing the rails, you don't 01:11:09.210 --> 01:11:11.250 really have to do any maintenance on the gun 01:11:11.250 --> 01:11:14.510 except to swap out the barrel. Floor is yours 01:11:14.510 --> 01:11:16.869 if you have any other comments or topics that 01:11:16.869 --> 01:11:18.770 you want to bring to our listeners' attention. 01:11:19.780 --> 01:11:21.979 Yes, indeed. Cool Fire Trainer is an excellent 01:11:21.979 --> 01:11:26.079 training tool for people who are time poor and 01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:29.380 either money rich or money poor to boot. Because 01:11:29.380 --> 01:11:32.680 it will save you money on ammunition, but it 01:11:32.680 --> 01:11:35.239 will also save you so much time. We already touched 01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:39.640 up on replacing some of your live fire range 01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:41.840 visits, and you can train while you're baking 01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:44.779 that pizza at home for 20 minutes. But Cool Fire 01:11:44.779 --> 01:11:48.199 Trainer keeps your gun clean. So you don't have 01:11:48.199 --> 01:11:50.119 to spend time cleaning the gun after a training 01:11:50.119 --> 01:11:52.520 session. That appeals to some people. It appeals 01:11:52.520 --> 01:11:56.340 to women for some reason because cleaning a firearm 01:11:56.340 --> 01:11:59.880 with fingernails getting broken and stuff like 01:11:59.880 --> 01:12:02.659 that, it simply is no longer necessary or it's 01:12:02.659 --> 01:12:06.659 minimized after the minimized range visits. One 01:12:06.659 --> 01:12:09.039 other demographic that really appreciates Cool 01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:11.119 Fire Trainer are actually pregnant and breastfeeding 01:12:11.119 --> 01:12:13.600 women. Because when you go live fire, you get 01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:16.520 exposure to concussive noise, which is obviously 01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:21.840 bad for the unborn baby. And with breastfeeding, 01:12:21.899 --> 01:12:24.319 there's lead exposure, you know, before and after. 01:12:25.329 --> 01:12:28.250 after delivery. So Hull Fire Trainer allows women 01:12:28.250 --> 01:12:30.630 who are at that stage of their life to train 01:12:30.630 --> 01:12:34.329 with a real firearm without these risks. And 01:12:34.329 --> 01:12:37.529 we've had multiple competitive shooters enjoy. 01:12:38.239 --> 01:12:40.279 you know, cool fire trainer with a pistol or 01:12:40.279 --> 01:12:44.060 rifle in that stage of life. So let me talk a 01:12:44.060 --> 01:12:45.720 little more about the rifle. I think that we 01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:47.920 focused a lot on our pistol recoil kits for good 01:12:47.920 --> 01:12:50.340 reason because that's the first type of recoil 01:12:50.340 --> 01:12:52.460 kit that we came up with and it's available in 01:12:52.460 --> 01:12:57.060 over 180 different mutations. But the Sidekick 01:12:57.060 --> 01:13:01.619 AR -15 recoil kit is truly revolutionary in its 01:13:01.619 --> 01:13:04.739 function and just its affordability. I mean, 01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:07.819 we talked about the affordability. based on how 01:13:07.819 --> 01:13:10.600 much money you're saving on ammunition. 5 .56 01:13:10.600 --> 01:13:13.560 ammunition is even more expensive than pistol 01:13:13.560 --> 01:13:16.479 ammunition. And it's even easier to shoot many 01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:21.159 rounds in a live fire session. So using the cool 01:13:21.159 --> 01:13:23.079 fire trainer sidekick where you convert your 01:13:23.079 --> 01:13:26.060 AR -15 rifle by changing out the bolt carrier 01:13:26.060 --> 01:13:29.239 group and gassing it up with CO2 from your local 01:13:29.239 --> 01:13:34.500 supermarket, you get about... 80 to 100 shots 01:13:34.500 --> 01:13:36.659 per fill. So you have basically three magazines 01:13:36.659 --> 01:13:41.260 worth of ammo for every five seconds of filling 01:13:41.260 --> 01:13:45.560 it with CO2. You can train at home. You can do 01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:48.560 magazine changes. You can train with no magazine 01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:51.060 in your rifle or you can put an empty magazine 01:13:51.060 --> 01:13:54.819 and you get one shot to bolt lock. And that will 01:13:54.819 --> 01:13:57.439 then force you to reload, to perform an emergency 01:13:57.439 --> 01:13:59.439 reload, eject the magazine and replace it with 01:13:59.439 --> 01:14:03.539 another magazine. We also provide the TAPREC 01:14:03.539 --> 01:14:05.699 training inserts for the rifle magazine. So you 01:14:05.699 --> 01:14:07.539 have a choice between training with no magazine, 01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:10.140 with the magazine with the insert that allows 01:14:10.140 --> 01:14:12.579 you to continue shooting. or an empty mag that 01:14:12.579 --> 01:14:15.340 gives you one shot to bolt lock. So once again, 01:14:15.420 --> 01:14:17.640 Cool Fire Trainer will cycle the action of your 01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:21.420 rifle and make your real firearm behave realistically 01:14:21.420 --> 01:14:23.800 and allow you to enjoy the benefits of this training. 01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:26.920 So it's even more compelling than with the pistol. 01:14:27.100 --> 01:14:29.119 The Cool Fire Trainer Sidekick for your AR -15 01:14:29.119 --> 01:14:31.000 is just the best thing out there, and I would 01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:34.189 urge everybody to... to take a look at it and 01:14:34.189 --> 01:14:36.229 make it the next accessory that they get for 01:14:36.229 --> 01:14:38.609 their rifle. And if you want to feel it out, 01:14:38.710 --> 01:14:41.649 then join us at the NRA show next week at booth 01:14:41.649 --> 01:14:45.289 705. Very good. Are you going to offer any law 01:14:45.289 --> 01:14:47.090 enforcement, military discounts, or any other 01:14:47.090 --> 01:14:49.229 discounts for our listeners, for example? Just 01:14:49.229 --> 01:14:53.130 curious. Yes, yes, we are. We have law enforcement 01:14:53.130 --> 01:14:54.810 and military discounts available through our 01:14:54.810 --> 01:14:59.489 website. So there is a convenient process to 01:14:59.489 --> 01:15:03.649 complete. Basically, submit a photograph of your 01:15:03.649 --> 01:15:06.489 ID so that we know that you're bona fide and 01:15:06.489 --> 01:15:08.989 then you will get a discount from us. And we 01:15:08.989 --> 01:15:12.050 thank you for your service. I am a police academy 01:15:12.050 --> 01:15:14.810 graduate, and I very briefly served as a reserve 01:15:14.810 --> 01:15:17.270 police officer, so I have a lot of respect for 01:15:17.270 --> 01:15:20.989 law enforcement. I come from a military family, 01:15:21.130 --> 01:15:23.430 so I have a lot of respect for military as well. 01:15:23.569 --> 01:15:28.729 Both segments are our loyal and enthusiastic 01:15:28.729 --> 01:15:34.250 customers, so we welcome them with extra enthusiasm. 01:15:35.149 --> 01:15:37.510 If the listeners have any follow -up questions 01:15:37.510 --> 01:15:40.510 and things like that, besides seeing you at the 01:15:40.510 --> 01:15:44.970 NRA show or other types of shows, I don't think 01:15:44.970 --> 01:15:47.770 there are other opportunities to demo the product 01:15:47.770 --> 01:15:50.710 elsewhere. And a follow -up question to that 01:15:50.710 --> 01:15:52.750 would be, if they have other questions, who do 01:15:52.750 --> 01:15:56.689 they go to? Our website is coolfiretrainer .com. 01:15:57.229 --> 01:16:02.090 Our phone number is on the website. We are in 01:16:02.090 --> 01:16:05.210 Tulsa, Oklahoma, in the Central Time Zone, available 01:16:05.210 --> 01:16:07.649 from about 8 .30 in the morning until 4 .30 p 01:16:07.649 --> 01:16:11.289 .m. And we are more than happy to get an email 01:16:11.289 --> 01:16:14.630 from you at... to support at coolfightrainer 01:16:14.630 --> 01:16:17.109 .com. Again, it's on the website or give us a 01:16:17.109 --> 01:16:19.750 call on the number that's listed to answer any 01:16:19.750 --> 01:16:22.750 questions that you may have on our products or 01:16:22.750 --> 01:16:26.789 on just any concerns or questions that you may 01:16:26.789 --> 01:16:29.909 have. We have many customers who follow us for 01:16:29.909 --> 01:16:32.149 a long time before they make a decision to actually 01:16:32.149 --> 01:16:34.640 get it. typically after they actually handled 01:16:34.640 --> 01:16:37.199 it in person. So if we can accelerate that process 01:16:37.199 --> 01:16:39.899 for you, you know, call us. We'll talk to you. 01:16:39.920 --> 01:16:41.380 We'll answer any questions that you may have. 01:16:41.479 --> 01:16:44.079 It really is as good as it sounds. It's your 01:16:44.079 --> 01:16:49.520 own firearm that gives you simulated recoil by 01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:51.680 cycling the action on each trigger pull and fire 01:16:51.680 --> 01:16:54.380 as a laser, if that's what you have. Perfect. 01:16:54.460 --> 01:16:57.199 Hey, thanks very much, Jan. That was an outstanding 01:16:57.199 --> 01:17:01.439 show. And I will reiterate for the purposes of 01:17:01.439 --> 01:17:05.279 the audience that I've owned a cool fire for, 01:17:05.380 --> 01:17:08.560 gosh, Ken, when did I get that thing? Before 01:17:08.560 --> 01:17:12.140 COVID. It was way before COVID. I've had it for 01:17:12.140 --> 01:17:15.399 a long time. And I think it's tremendously helped 01:17:15.399 --> 01:17:18.399 in my, you know, actual live fire capabilities 01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:20.979 and giving me reps where, you know, Ken, you 01:17:20.979 --> 01:17:23.550 mentioned this earlier. You know, you and I can't 01:17:23.550 --> 01:17:26.609 get to the range all that often. And the ability 01:17:26.609 --> 01:17:30.630 to train at home is, you know, invaluable. And 01:17:30.630 --> 01:17:33.270 I mean, could you put a price on it? Yeah, I 01:17:33.270 --> 01:17:35.750 guess you could. But do I think that the money 01:17:35.750 --> 01:17:38.970 invested was worth it? Without a doubt. Without 01:17:38.970 --> 01:17:41.510 a doubt. Absolutely. Yeah. So thanks very much, 01:17:41.510 --> 01:17:44.449 Jan. You're welcome. My pleasure. Great seeing 01:17:44.449 --> 01:17:46.149 you, gentlemen. And I look forward to seeing 01:17:46.149 --> 01:17:49.510 you at the next trade show. Thank you for a wonderful 01:17:49.510 --> 01:17:52.789 and professionally done podcast for excellent 01:17:52.789 --> 01:17:55.189 questions. And I just look forward to the next 01:17:55.189 --> 01:17:58.189 time. Thanks very much. Well, listeners, today 01:17:58.189 --> 01:18:00.750 we've had an opportunity to speak to Jan at the 01:18:00.750 --> 01:18:03.850 Cool Fire. And I think he's given us some really 01:18:03.850 --> 01:18:05.949 excellent things to think about. And to be honest 01:18:05.949 --> 01:18:09.560 with you. Rather than buying another firearm, 01:18:09.800 --> 01:18:13.479 which, of course, we all love to do, I really 01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:16.159 think that the next best frugal investment should 01:18:16.159 --> 01:18:18.640 be something along the lines of this cool fire 01:18:18.640 --> 01:18:21.939 that will really allow us to train at home. Yeah. 01:18:21.979 --> 01:18:23.960 And when you think about that, Ken, I mean, how 01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:27.140 often do we not go to the range because the range 01:18:27.140 --> 01:18:29.460 is too far away or the range is too expensive 01:18:29.460 --> 01:18:31.399 or ammunition is too expensive or we don't really 01:18:31.399 --> 01:18:33.100 feel like cleaning the gun after we're done? 01:18:33.220 --> 01:18:36.020 I mean, this obviates all of those problems. 01:18:36.739 --> 01:18:39.239 So, you know, when you think about frugal, I 01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:42.159 mean, gosh, what is your time worth, man? It 01:18:42.159 --> 01:18:44.539 really does check all the boxes, and you wouldn't 01:18:44.539 --> 01:18:46.739 think so just by thinking about it, but to be 01:18:46.739 --> 01:18:50.560 honest with you, this really is a way for people 01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:53.520 to train. And Rian had mentioned things about 01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:59.960 pregnant and children around there, women with 01:18:59.960 --> 01:19:02.659 young children are planning on being pregnant. 01:19:02.779 --> 01:19:05.939 All of that type of thing was excellent. I hadn't 01:19:05.939 --> 01:19:07.979 thought about it. It made a lot of sense. Well, 01:19:07.979 --> 01:19:09.979 unexpected, not just because you and I are not 01:19:09.979 --> 01:19:12.520 women, but at the same time, I mean, that really 01:19:12.520 --> 01:19:15.479 brings a lot of understanding about the value 01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:17.840 of when you think about products that are other 01:19:17.840 --> 01:19:19.939 than, well, you know what, you know, there's 01:19:19.939 --> 01:19:22.920 a new version of the Smith & Wesson Shield that 01:19:22.920 --> 01:19:25.739 I need. No, you don't need that. What you need 01:19:25.739 --> 01:19:28.359 is get good with the one you've got. So that's 01:19:28.359 --> 01:19:31.420 what this product is all about. Next shows coming 01:19:31.420 --> 01:19:35.000 up are going to include a very interesting product 01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:39.159 that is a customizable target that you would 01:19:39.159 --> 01:19:42.939 be able to order in mass. And even in a large 01:19:42.939 --> 01:19:45.720 box of like 100 targets, never see the same target 01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:48.359 twice. There's a lot of training value and actually 01:19:48.359 --> 01:19:51.439 a lot of fun invested in that and a bunch of 01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:53.260 other companies that are queuing up to get in. 01:19:53.340 --> 01:19:55.960 So give a listen. And don't forget, by the way, 01:19:55.960 --> 01:20:00.149 guys, like, subscribe, tell your friends. about 01:20:00.149 --> 01:20:03.130 the Frugal Firearms Podcast at frugalfirearmspodcast 01:20:03.130 --> 01:20:06.829 .com. And you can reach us at frugalfirearmspodcast 01:20:06.829 --> 01:20:10.590 at gmail .com. So that's all I've got tonight. 01:20:10.770 --> 01:20:13.109 Ken, anything else? That'll do it. Thank you 01:20:13.109 --> 01:20:32.210 all. All right. Good night, folks. I know I've 01:20:32.210 --> 01:20:36.229 been piggybacking off Craig's version for years 01:20:36.229 --> 01:20:39.949 now, but I'm going to be saving up, and I'm going 01:20:39.949 --> 01:20:42.210 to get one myself. Just don't buy another gun, 01:20:42.229 --> 01:20:44.189 Ken. Ken, you have enough guns. I know that. 01:20:44.250 --> 01:20:46.369 Just buy a cool fire, man. It's the collector 01:20:46.369 --> 01:20:48.850 mentality. I'm a licensed collector. And, of 01:20:48.850 --> 01:20:51.689 course, you're saving up money for your next 01:20:51.689 --> 01:20:53.489 big purchase, and then something comes up. It's 01:20:53.489 --> 01:20:55.750 like, oh, that is such a good deal. I can't pass 01:20:55.750 --> 01:20:58.250 that up. So you end up blowing it all there.